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| 02:26.05 | silent_runner | hello i just bricked my c860 can get into the service menu though but i only have a 128md card anyone got a SMALLER nand backup ? |
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| 02:46.57 | nninu | hi |
| 02:47.30 | kaplanfx | can I get 3.5.3 to run off an sd card an use my flash as ram? |
| 02:47.49 | nninu | have question |
| 02:48.01 | nninu | about emulator |
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| 03:00.43 | Cwiiis | kaplanfx: You wouldn't want to (flash is very slow to write to) |
| 03:04.52 | kaplanfx | Cwiiis: well I want the sd on /home or whatever |
| 03:04.59 | kaplanfx | so I have 64MB system ram on collie |
| 03:06.22 | Cwiiis | kaplanfx: Unless you have a ram disk partition, you always have 64 megs of ram on collie |
| 03:06.30 | Cwiiis | Wherever /home is |
| 03:06.41 | Cwiiis | It's decided by what kernel you use |
| 03:07.20 | kaplanfx | Cwiiis: what is the 64-0 zImage then vs say the 32-32 zImage? |
| 03:07.46 | kaplanfx | one provides more ram correct? |
| 03:07.49 | Cwiiis | 64 megs of system ram, 0 megs of ram used as ram-disk vs. 32 megs of system ram, 32 megs of ram used as ram-disk |
| 03:07.54 | silent_runner | anyone know there way round the D+M menu ? |
| 03:08.17 | kaplanfx | Cwiiis: so if I use 64-0 im going to need some kind of external storage right |
| 03:08.18 | kaplanfx | ? |
| 03:08.42 | Cwiiis | kaplanfx: Yes, or to not install any new applications/replace default applications |
| 03:09.12 | kaplanfx | Cwiiis: so whats the best thing to do, I want 64 megs ram for sure |
| 03:09.25 | kaplanfx | I have a 256MB sd card here formatted ext2 |
| 03:09.31 | Cwiiis | The only way to have 64 megs of ram is to use the 64-0 kernel |
| 03:09.38 | kaplanfx | thats what im doing |
| 03:09.42 | kaplanfx | im about to flash it now |
| 03:09.49 | Cwiiis | I'd suggest installing any new apps to your sd card then |
| 03:10.07 | Cwiiis | Moving /home to sd means that all your settings and data and such will be persistent between flashes, which is useful |
| 03:10.10 | kaplanfx | I've noticed some apps disagree with that |
| 03:10.17 | Cwiiis | Also stops your root from getting clogged up |
| 03:10.26 | kaplanfx | using ipkg to install to sd |
| 03:10.35 | kaplanfx | some apps only want to be in / |
| 03:10.38 | Cwiiis | If you have an ext formatted sd card and you make sure to ipkg-link everything you install, there should be no problems |
| 03:10.51 | kaplanfx | ipkg-link? |
| 03:11.07 | kaplanfx | ok flashing now |
| 03:11.12 | kaplanfx | testing the gpe image |
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| 03:14.45 | Cwiiis | kaplanfx: ipkg-link, yes - Read the release notes |
| 03:17.58 | kaplanfx | whoa |
| 03:18.09 | kaplanfx | the openzaurus.org page just changed while I was looking at it |
| 03:19.41 | daekus__ | Is there any help a non coder can give in regaurds to getting alarms to work in suspend on the gpe images (post logs, test etc) |
| 03:30.18 | kaplanfx | Cwiiis: there don't appear to be any release notes |
| 03:30.21 | kaplanfx | http://openzaurus.org/wordpress/releases/353/ |
| 03:36.43 | kaplanfx | does gpe have a gui package manager? |
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| 09:15.19 | aquarius | in oz3.5.3, python-gtk seems to depend on glib-2.0-dev, which doesn't exist afaict; am I looking in the wrong places? Where should I be looking? |
| 09:23.07 | [cc]smart | when installing opie-reader , it seems linking tries just the filenames as source, instead of full path. so linking fails |
| 09:29.05 | aquarius | [cc]smart, sorry? not sure what you mean there |
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| 09:52.26 | [cc]smart | aquarius: was not meant as response to your issue |
| 09:58.44 | aquarius | [cc]smart, no, I was trying to help you, but I'm not sure what you meant by "linking fails" :) |
| 10:27.10 | Timelord | Is my rather poor experience (broken featues, crashy as hell, oddities) with OZ on a SL-6000 more or less common? |
| 10:29.12 | aquarius | Don't know, I'm afraid...my 5000D seems to work fine, but I don't know anything about 6000s.... |
| 10:45.43 | Cwiiis | kaplanfx: Did you not follow the link on that page...? |
| 10:46.23 | Cwiiis | Timelord: 6000 support is quite new I'm afraid - Donate one to a developer and you'll speed up the process :) |
| 10:47.51 | Timelord | I spent all my money on the 6000. At current rate of income vs bills... I may have to sell the 6000 anyways. :P |
| 10:48.12 | Timelord | Would if I could. :| |
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| 11:09.09 | aquarius | I've just tidied up the collie install instructions on the website (http://openzaurus.org/wordpress/installation/sl-50005500/) -- anyone see anything I've missed? |
| 11:12.58 | aquarius | Is there any reason why the "downloads" link shouldn't point directly to the latest release (3.5.3) rather than letting people see 3.5.1, 3.5.2, and 3.5.3? |
| 11:13.20 | Cwiiis | aquarius: Because people might want to use other releases? |
| 11:13.41 | aquarius | Cwiiis, that's what I meant...does anyone want to? Surely 3.5.3 is better? :-) |
| 11:14.24 | aquarius | or is there some stuff which worked in 3.5.2 but doesn't in 3.5.3? |
| 11:16.00 | Cwiiis | aquarius: GPE stands for GNU Palmtop Environment I think, but hey, I'm probably wrong :p |
| 11:16.06 | Cwiiis | aquarius: I don't know, maybe :) |
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| 11:16.59 | lardman | Makes it a bit more generic if it points to the parent dir - it won't have top be changed for the next release |
| 11:17.07 | aquarius | hum! it doesn't give the acronym's expansion on gpe.handhelds.org |
| 11:17.11 | lardman | s/top/to |
| 11:17.15 | aquarius | unless it stands for "GPE Palmtop Environment" :) |
| 11:17.22 | lardman | ask in #gpe |
| 11:17.32 | lardman | I think it is GPE Palmtop ... |
| 11:18.17 | aquarius | someone needs a slapping if it is :-) |
| 11:18.29 | lardman | why? |
| 11:18.40 | lardman | same as gnu |
| 11:19.06 | aquarius | RMS has done many fine things, but foisting recursive acronyms on the world wasn't one of them :) |
| 11:19.29 | lardman | fair enough :) |
| 11:20.30 | aquarius | lardman, I see your point on genericness, so it doesn't need updating...this is possibly a cause for a "latest" symlink which gets updated with each release? |
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| 11:21.19 | aquarius | It stands for GPE Palmtop Environment. I hate everything :) |
| 11:21.48 | lardman | wrt latest symlink, yes this sounds like a good idea |
| 11:22.51 | aquarius | just because the docs have to say "go to the downloads link and then into "sl5000,sl5500"", and are obliged to miss out the "go into 3.5.3 first" step (so they don't need updating next time). |
| 11:24.04 | aquarius | I can't update the install docs for other models because I don't know anything about them, I'm afraid. |
| 11:24.41 | lardman | I'll have another look next week - c7x0 should be about right, if a bit messy |
| 11:27.43 | aquarius | xtscal complains "Can't open XFT font" when I run it (on a bootstrap-image Z with xserver-kdrive-fbdev installed). What does it need to get that font? |
| 11:29.09 | aquarius | libxft2 is installed, as is libfreetype6. Does it need some actual fonts installed? I don't know which one it might be looking for. |
| 11:30.13 | lardman | no idea, does it cause a problem, or is it just an informative error message |
| 11:30.24 | aquarius | problem: xtscal won't start. |
| 11:30.30 | lardman | ah |
| 11:30.37 | lardman | I don't know, sorry |
| 11:30.42 | lardman | gotta go, good luck |
| 11:36.19 | Cwiiis | aquarius: Maybe you want to add a note that flashing power/mail light indicate an error when flashing |
| 11:37.26 | aquarius | OK...what might the error be? |
| 11:37.44 | aquarius | just because I don't want to put "if they flash something is wrong" and not give any suggestions :) |
| 11:40.53 | Cwiiis | Unsupported flash card, possibly |
| 11:41.15 | Cwiiis | It's pretty vague - it just means 'Doesn't work, you've done something wrong or I don't like this flash card' usually :p |
| 11:41.22 | Cwiiis | 'Failure', I guess |
| 11:42.39 | aquarius | ok, updated |
| 11:43.58 | Cwiiis | aquarius: Good stuff :) What xft issue? |
| 11:44.19 | aquarius | xtscal won't start; it just says "Can't open XFT font". |
| 11:44.37 | aquarius | This is a bootstrap-image flashed 5000D with xserver-kdrive-fbdev installed. |
| 11:45.01 | aquarius | libxft2 and libfreetype6 and libfontconfig1 are also installed; is it looking for a particular font? |
| 11:47.52 | aquarius | I thought it might be looking for "fixed", but I can't find that in any packages anyway :) |
| 11:48.59 | aquarius | ah, found it |
| 11:48.59 | Cwiiis | aquarius: You need to install the vera fonts package probably |
| 11:49.11 | aquarius | oops, not found that, wrong window. |
| 11:50.56 | aquarius | wtf does it depend on loads of usb stuff? |
| 11:54.58 | aquarius | hm. it needs fc-cache, which is in libfontconfig-utils, but doesn't depend on it. SHould that be filed as a bug somewhere? |
| 11:55.20 | Cwiiis | aquarius: Yes, probably |
| 11:55.32 | aquarius | I'll do it if you tell me where.:) |
| 11:55.39 | Cwiiis | What package needs what exactly? I can add it if you're 100% sure |
| 11:56.12 | aquarius | ttf-bitstream-vera has the postinst fail: "/usr/lib/ipkg/info/ttf-bitstream-vera.postinst: 2: fc-cache: not found". fc-cache is in libfontconfig-utils, which was not installed. |
| 11:56.25 | aquarius | I'm just testing that I'm right, so don't add it just yet :) |
| 11:56.42 | Cwiiis | k :) |
| 11:57.30 | aquarius | OK, now that I've installed libfontconfig-utils, the postinst does not fail. |
| 11:57.40 | aquarius | so that's a dependency bug, |
| 11:57.55 | aquarius | While you're in there, why does ttf-bitstream-vera depend on loads of usb things? |
| 11:58.06 | aquarius | Recommends: kernel-module-usbdserial, kernel-module-usbkbd, kernel-module-usbmouse, kernel-module-hid, usbutils, kernel-module-evdev |
| 11:58.17 | aquarius | it's a font, it doesn't need usbutils ;) |
| 12:05.07 | aquarius | anyway, installing the font fixed the xtscal problem, so thanks for that! |
| 12:06.58 | [cc]smart | aquarius: ah, sorry for the delay... was away... and thanks for your offer |
| 12:07.14 | [cc]smart | regarding linking fails: |
| 12:07.29 | Cwiiis | aquarius: I'll have a look |
| 12:07.41 | [cc]smart | it's about installing the package in openzaurus using the package manager |
| 12:08.10 | [cc]smart | there are the different installation stages |
| 12:08.19 | [cc]smart | download, writing files, configuring |
| 12:08.45 | aquarius | ah, "linking" as in "adding symlinks for a package when you install it on a cf/sd card"? |
| 12:08.48 | [cc]smart | when installing off root, that is on sd in my case |
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| 12:08.57 | [cc]smart | it links the files into root |
| 12:09.03 | [cc]smart | yes |
| 12:09.16 | [cc]smart | as in adding symlinks |
| 12:09.17 | aquarius | I don't know much about that, I'm afraid. I know it does it, but it causes me problems all the time, so I avoid doing it whenever I can :) |
| 12:09.29 | Cwiiis | aquarius: It should depend on lots of usb things, I'm guessing that's a packaging bug - I've added libfontconfig-utils, thanks for spotting |
| 12:09.34 | [cc]smart | i had o issues this time except for this one package |
| 12:10.02 | [cc]smart | the problem is more or less obvious on this one, which is that the linking souce is given as simple filename without path |
| 12:11.45 | aquarius | hm. where is the symbol initQCop defined? python-pygame doesn't work because that's an undefined symbol... |
| 12:11.58 | Cwiiis | aquarius: What's your full name? (so I can credit you in the revision details) |
| 12:12.03 | [cc]smart | i ave seen a package for gaim with a prefix in the package list, now i can't find it again... does sbdy know it by chance ? |
| 12:14.12 | aquarius | Cwiiis, Stuart Langridge |
| 12:15.12 | Cwiiis | aquarius: I recognise that name.... Probably from OZ forums or something :) Anyway, pushing the change now |
| 12:15.16 | aquarius | ipkg list | grep gaim |
| 12:15.34 | Cwiiis | [cc]smart: qpe-gaim |
| 12:15.42 | aquarius | [cc]smart, there's "gaim" (which will be a GPE app) and qpe-gaim, which will be for Opie. |
| 12:15.59 | aquarius | Cwiiis, cheers |
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| 12:17.27 | blitzrage | I have an SL-5500 with 3.5.3, and I tried konqueror, but it keeps crashing on load. So I installed the sharp-compat-libs and Opera, and it loads fine, but it SegFaults a lot. Apparently someone made a package for 7.55 of Opera on the forums, but the link is gone. Does anyone either have a copy of the newer Opera which is supposed to fix the segfaulting problem, or any suggestions for another browser? |
| 12:17.29 | gs | hi |
| 12:18.25 | gs | blitzrage, how to install opera? |
| 12:19.11 | blitzrage | gs: install sharp-compat-libs, setup the zaurususersgroup.org feed, and there might have been a couple of other deps that I'm forgetting. |
| 12:19.28 | blitzrage | gs: I can't get 7.30 to work reliably unfortunately |
| 12:19.49 | gs | ops |
| 12:21.42 | [cc]smart | aquarius: thanks |
| 12:22.07 | gs | blitzrage, where is the package for install and check |
| 12:22.18 | blitzrage | gs: sharp-compat-libs |
| 12:22.20 | gs | on my Z sl5500 |
| 12:22.44 | blitzrage | the other one is opera_sl-5x00-... obviously |
| 12:27.47 | gs | opera_sl-5x00.. package not found |
| 12:28.08 | blitzrage | gs: you just need to: ipkg install -d ram opera |
| 12:28.14 | blitzrage | gs: AFTER you install the ZUG feed |
| 12:29.04 | gs | tell me how to install zaurususergroup feed |
| 12:29.37 | blitzrage | gs: you've never installed a feed before? |
| 12:29.54 | blitzrage | gs: /etc/ipkg.conf and the feed it http://zaurususersgroup.org/feed |
| 12:30.00 | gs | ok |
| 12:30.12 | gs | please wait |
| 12:30.29 | blitzrage | we'll see, I'm pretty busy today. Leaving for Seattle |
| 12:31.29 | gs | WARNING: Ignoring unknown configuration parameter: http://zaurususersgroup.org/feed |
| 12:31.44 | gs | what line do u write on ipkg.conf? |
| 12:32.52 | blitzrage | gs: its the src lines, or add it via the package manager GUI |
| 12:34.57 | blitzrage | but don't install via the GUI, it probably won't work |
| 12:35.04 | blitzrage | to install packages, this is what I do: |
| 12:35.05 | gs | blitzrage, can u tell me what line of zaurususergroup do u have on /etc/ipkg.conf? |
| 12:35.21 | blitzrage | gs: you have to add the zug/feed/, thats really all you need to know |
| 12:35.32 | blitzrage | gs: add it via the package manager GUI, its easier |
| 12:35.41 | blitzrage | then install packages from the console |
| 12:35.41 | gs | no gui manager |
| 12:35.47 | blitzrage | what are you using? |
| 12:35.50 | gs | only tellme a line |
| 12:36.10 | gs | i'm into the Z on ssh |
| 12:36.13 | blitzrage | gs: its just exactly like the other src lines, same format, and I told you the address already |
| 12:37.20 | gs | ... |
| 12:38.06 | blitzrage | 08:29 < blitzrage> gs: /etc/ipkg.conf and the feed it http://zaurususersgroup.org/feed |
| 12:38.23 | blitzrage | or go to the zaurususergroup.org website and verify with the Feed link on the left |
| 12:46.31 | gs | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:46.32 | gs | Installing opera (sl-5x00-7.30.9965) to sd... |
| 12:46.45 | gs | blitzrage, ok ;) |
| 12:47.09 | blitzrage | there you go, now enjoy the segfaults! :) |
| 12:47.32 | gs | wait .. |
| 12:47.33 | gs | ;) |
| 12:48.30 | gs | Configuring opera |
| 12:48.53 | gs | linking... |
| 12:51.32 | gs | yes |
| 12:52.00 | gs | segmentation fault?= |
| 12:52.09 | gs | opera |
| 12:52.09 | gs | opera: symbol lookup error: opera: undefined symbol: _7QString.shared_null |
| 12:54.13 | blitzrage | gs: there was a thread on zug to fix that. I forget what I did now, but there was some other package I needed I think. Just do a search for that error on google and you'll find the thread |
| 12:54.32 | Ro8ert | gs, you need to set Opera to use the sharp-compat libs |
| 12:54.49 | gs | i install sharp-compat-libs |
| 12:55.00 | blitzrage | oh yah, need to run the makecompat program |
| 12:55.06 | Ro8ert | yeah, thats the one |
| 12:55.23 | blitzrage | the info is on that one thread on zug, it was really good |
| 12:55.30 | blitzrage | damn..... kismet is taking forever to install! :) |
| 12:56.02 | blitzrage | Ro8ert: what do you use for a web browser? |
| 12:56.30 | Ro8ert | Mainly Opera 6, I could never get 7.x to stop segfaulting all the time |
| 12:56.46 | Ro8ert | and konqueror never seemed to be up to the job somehow... |
| 12:56.55 | blitzrage | Ro8ert: yah, me either. Do you have a copy of it that will run on 3.5.3? |
| 12:57.12 | Ro8ert | What? Opera 6? |
| 12:57.17 | blitzrage | yah |
| 12:57.44 | Ro8ert | I probably have and ipk somewhere but I've not tried in on 3.5.3 yet |
| 12:58.02 | blitzrage | ahhh gotcha |
| 12:58.36 | Ro8ert | my last 3.5.3 build had loads of more serious problems like the "off" button just cause the whole machine to hang :-( |
| 12:59.06 | blitzrage | i think that got fixed... at least on the 5500 |
| 12:59.16 | Ro8ert | what was the fix? |
| 12:59.42 | blitzrage | are you talking about the suspend not resuming? |
| 12:59.51 | blitzrage | or just hanging when you hit the Cancel button? |
| 13:00.13 | Ro8ert | yeah. suspend not resuming when you suspend using Cancel |
| 13:00.22 | blitzrage | yah, thats fine now |
| 13:00.31 | Ro8ert | did they update the image for download? |
| 13:00.35 | blitzrage | yep |
| 13:00.45 | blitzrage | full 3.5.3 is out now |
| 13:01.16 | Ro8ert | ah ,thats good. I'm trying to rebuild 3.5.3 using oe at the minute because I don't want soft-float as it breaks hancom sheet |
| 13:01.21 | gs | ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for konqueror-embedded: |
| 13:01.21 | gs | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:01.38 | gs | error for install konqueror-embedded |
| 13:01.48 | blitzrage | i'm not sure there is a browser that works for 3.5.3 |
| 13:02.27 | Ro8ert | gs, I'd try just forcing that depend with --force-depends(?) |
| 13:02.44 | Ro8ert | doesn't opera work using sharp compat? |
| 13:02.54 | blitzrage | i did no deps, but konq is not stable for me |
| 13:03.10 | blitzrage | not that opera is much better :) |
| 13:03.24 | Ro8ert | does konq still use / for it's temp files? or has it been fixed? |
| 13:03.42 | blitzrage | no idea |
| 13:03.48 | blitzrage | that'd be bad :) |
| 13:03.57 | gs | Ro8ert, no work |
| 13:04.00 | gs | opera no work |
| 13:04.21 | Ro8ert | last time I konq tried it it filled up / and eventually died :( |
| 13:06.02 | blitzrage | damn, no pdf reader for opie eh? |
| 13:07.09 | Ro8ert | doesn't qpdf2 work? |
| 13:07.34 | blitzrage | doesn't install for me, let me try again and find out what the error is |
| 13:09.05 | blitzrage | heh, needs gpe-base :) |
| 13:09.16 | Ro8ert | doh! |
| 13:09.18 | blitzrage | so guess it only work son gpe? |
| 13:10.19 | Ro8ert | according the the .bb file "QPDF2 is a Viewer for PDF documents. An unnecessary fork based on opie-qpdf." and I'd have thought was opie since its SECTION = "opie/applications". but what do I know?? |
| 13:10.41 | blitzrage | and wellenreiter doesn work for me either anymore. Once I run the sniff, it gives me the error, "The wireless extension verisons do not match! Wellenreither II WEv17, Interface driver: WEv16 |
| 13:11.05 | Ro8ert | yeah, someone said that wellenreiter is broken in 3.5.3 until someone fixes it! |
| 13:11.37 | blitzrage | Ro8ert: the only reason I knew it wouldn't work is because I saw a post by mickeyl stating opie has no PDF reader... which sucks because I wanted to read a book on the plane |
| 13:12.05 | Ro8ert | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:13.32 | blitzrage | yah... |
| 13:15.01 | notasnark | My 3.5.3 has a PDF viewer, Opie Reader and a working Wellenreiter. What have I done wrong? :-) |
| 13:15.19 | blitzrage | notasnark: no idea, what are you using? |
| 13:15.20 | Cwiiis | qpdf2 certainly doesn't need gpe-base, that must be a packaging error.. |
| 13:15.26 | Cwiiis | Try forcing it |
| 13:15.33 | blitzrage | Cwiiis: thanks, let me try that |
| 13:15.37 | blitzrage | --nodeps ? |
| 13:15.45 | Cwiiis | --force-depends |
| 13:15.47 | blitzrage | okie |
| 13:15.59 | notasnark | C860 with OZ 3.5.3. Nothign installed on top of the base install. |
| 13:16.15 | blitzrage | notasnark: ahhh, 5500 here |
| 13:17.12 | notasnark | I'm guessing different installs have different default packages, since I also have Konqueror as part of the base install (qt), and yet someone was complaining on the list about not being able to get it installed. |
| 13:17.46 | blitzrage | yep, didn't work well for me, but i could get it installed with some effort :) |
| 13:18.01 | Ro8ert | Packages depend on what will fit on the internal flash. |
| 13:18.32 | blitzrage | makes sense, since / s near maxed on my 5500 :) |
| 13:19.08 | Ro8ert | same here :-( Oh for a clamshell Zaurus! |
| 13:19.12 | notasnark | I figured as much. 3.5.2 came with very little as standard though, even on C860. Very pleased that I don't need to mess around installing basic stuff for 3.5.3. |
| 13:19.48 | blitzrage | Ro8ert: no kidding eh? |
| 13:19.53 | notasnark | :-) |
| 13:19.56 | Ro8ert | :-) |
| 13:20.07 | Cwiiis | notasnark: Yes, collie has a lot less flash rom than other pdas |
| 13:20.26 | Ro8ert | faster, bigger screen, better keyboard, "cooler", .... |
| 13:20.43 | notasnark | Heh, originally had a 5000D, then upgraded to 5500, then upgraded to C860. I'm aware of the differences! |
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| 13:21.10 | blitzrage | Cwiiis: heh, ok, installed, but get /bin/sh: qpdf2: not found |
| 13:21.24 | blitzrage | oh for a version of slocate! :) |
| 13:21.44 | Ro8ert | is support for the Cxxx models pretty good now? It always worried me if I bought one I would end up with a Japaneese Z. |
| 13:22.14 | [cc]smart | IIRC, there are two choices of different bluetooth systems. what would you recommend to use for OZ ? |
| 13:22.47 | notasnark | Support is fine - better than for the Sharp ROM. Only Japanese stuff is when you flash it, but it's easy to work out which option to select. |
| 13:23.05 | Ro8ert | thats worth knowing. |
| 13:23.26 | notasnark | Even the right shift key works now (didn't on 3.5.2). |
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| 13:23.29 | hrw | hi |
| 13:23.34 | blitzrage | Ro8ert: grab me one too |
| 13:23.38 | blitzrage | hrw: ahoi |
| 13:23.39 | hrw | someone can say what stylus is default in c7x0? metal or full plastic? |
| 13:24.01 | Ro8ert | heh. no ?? at the minute :-( |
| 13:24.03 | notasnark | C860 came with plastic. |
| 13:24.24 | hrw | thx notasnark |
| 13:24.45 | blitzrage | hrmmm... anyone know where qpdf2 might have installed to? |
| 13:24.58 | hrw | QPEDIR/bin/qpdf? |
| 13:25.12 | Ro8ert | cant you just 'find |grep -i pdf' ?? |
| 13:25.18 | gs | with ipkg -d sd --force-depends install konqueror-embedded |
| 13:25.25 | gs | work! |
| 13:25.26 | gs | xD |
| 13:25.27 | gs | ;) |
| 13:25.29 | gs | thanz |
| 13:25.35 | hrw | /opt/QtPalmtop/bin/qpdf |
| 13:25.38 | gs | go to eat |
| 13:25.47 | blitzrage | Ro8ert: heh... uh... yah :) |
| 13:30.15 | blitzrage | hrmmm, did makecompat qpdf (same error as konq before), and it says not enough space? I can run qpdf now, but not sure why the out of space error (must be trying to put info on root) |
| 13:30.54 | hrw | blitzrage: makecompat qpdf? you are not using qpdf from feed? |
| 13:31.20 | blitzrage | hrw: yes, I am. Wouldn't load. |
| 13:32.02 | blitzrage | hrw: gives the _7QShared.string_null error |
| 13:32.42 | hrw | that error gives application not from OZ |
| 13:33.00 | Ro8ert | maybe it installed from another feed you have installed?? |
| 13:33.27 | blitzrage | yah, it probably installed from the ZUG feed. For some reason I don't have a PDF package for opie from openzaurus, just a help file. |
| 13:33.49 | blitzrage | oh wait... NOW I see it... qpe-qpdf right? |
| 13:34.51 | hrw | oz feed "opie" package qpdf2 |
| 13:35.14 | blitzrage | hrmmmm... |
| 13:46.27 | Radiance | hmm guys, what ya say...upgrade to 3.5.3 OZ opie on 6k or stay with 3.5.2 which is "troubleshooted" and working as i want ? |
| 13:47.01 | hrw | backup 3.5.2, upgrade to 3.5.3 and if there are some bugs then send us patches |
| 13:47.46 | Radiance | yeah, i have later some time today so i think that's what i'll do |
| 13:47.51 | Radiance | it can only get better :) |
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| 13:58.16 | nninu | hi |
| 13:58.24 | nninu | is there someone |
| 14:02.26 | CoreDump|home | yep |
| 14:05.06 | nninu | ok i get a question |
| 14:05.23 | nninu | about emulator on zaurus |
| 14:05.54 | hrw | nninu: what emulator? be more precise |
| 14:13.46 | gs | when i run opera |
| 14:13.49 | gs | opera |
| 14:13.49 | gs | opera: symbol lookup error: opera: undefined symbol: _7QString.shared_null |
| 14:13.52 | gs | some ideas? |
| 14:14.07 | hrw | ipkg install sharp-compat-libs |
| 14:14.20 | gs | its installed |
| 14:14.22 | Ro8ert | gs, did you run makecompat against opera? |
| 14:14.38 | gs | makecompat no |
| 14:15.27 | Ro8ert | you need to. I think it's something like 'makecompat /opt/QtPalmtop/bin/opera' |
| 14:15.47 | gs | Ro8ert, i havent this command |
| 14:16.35 | gs | hrw, Package: sharp-compat-libs |
| 14:16.35 | gs | Version: 0.5-r2 |
| 14:16.42 | gs | Status: install user installed |
| 14:16.48 | Ro8ert | try /opt/QtPalmtop/bin/makecompat, probably opt/QtPaltop/bin isn't in $PATH |
| 14:17.03 | gs | no |
| 14:17.06 | gs | i havent.. |
| 14:18.09 | gs | and i don't find any package with makecompat name |
| 14:18.31 | gs | i use openzaurus 3.5.3 on sl5500 |
| 14:18.44 | CoreDump|home | gs: install sharp-compat-libs |
| 14:18.49 | Ro8ert | makecompat is installed by sharp-comat-libs |
| 14:19.30 | gs | instaling.. |
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| 14:22.57 | gs | installed |
| 14:23.08 | gs | but i can't see a command |
| 14:24.18 | gs | ok i see |
| 14:24.56 | gs | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:24.56 | gs | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 49 Apr 8 02:28 makecompat -> /media/card/packages/opt/QtPalmtop/bin/makecompat |
| 14:25.42 | gs | -sh: /media/card/packages/opt/QtPalmtop/bin/makecompat: not found |
| 14:25.53 | gs | O_o |
| 14:26.48 | [cc]smart | OZ 3.5.3 wellenreiter says it's for wireless extensions v17 but it found only v16. |
| 14:30.29 | blitzrage | [cc]smart: yah, same problem. Apparently someone has to fix it :) |
| 14:30.44 | gs | Ro8ert, |
| 14:30.46 | gs | Not linked to compat lib |
| 14:30.46 | gs | Not Linked, Linking |
| 14:30.46 | gs | Make /opt/QtPalmtop/bin/opera use compatibilty libs. |
| 14:30.46 | hrw | what machine? |
| 14:31.43 | luzik | hrw: 64-0 works ok .. only that 40-24 suck |
| 14:31.57 | hrw | luzik: md5 correct? |
| 14:32.02 | luzik | yes |
| 14:32.04 | luzik | for sure |
| 14:32.14 | CoreDump|home | ok, maybe the uploaded file is b0rked |
| 14:32.47 | CoreDump|home | I'm currently compiling an image using the 3.5.3 tag. Will upload another kernel later |
| 14:33.00 | luzik | ok |
| 14:33.16 | luzik | oh i see another bug .. maybe in my hardware ... |
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| 14:33.39 | luzik | "CPU not found. software emulation" |
| 14:33.46 | CoreDump|home | most devs use 64/0 or 56/8, that's why noone noticed before |
| 14:34.02 | luzik | :) |
| 14:34.14 | luzik | hey people .. that was a joke there :P |
| 14:34.25 | hrw | devs girlfriends also use 64/0 :) |
| 14:34.28 | CoreDump|home | :) |
| 14:34.31 | hrw | bye |
| 14:34.35 | hrw | |gone |
| 14:34.38 | CoreDump|home | later hrw |
| 14:34.46 | luzik | bye bye |
| 14:35.10 | CoreDump|home | will also look after wellenreiter once the image is built |
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| 14:50.47 | cyn | <hrw> Rupert-Giles: yesterday I got c760 (donated) - have to learn how to remap keyboard - the c760 |
| 14:50.59 | cyn | asehareh - has proper mappings in 3.5.3... |
| 14:51.41 | cyn | hrw|gone: incidentally - c700 has the metal stylus, c760 has the plastic. id venture a guess that the 750 is also plastic, but cant confirm |
| 14:52.11 | lardman | yes it is plastic |
| 14:53.36 | lardman | Anyone here tried VLC? |
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| 15:06.55 | adamh | In OpenZaurus 3.5.3, how stable/functional is GPE? I mostly use my Zaurus as a media player and text editor.... |
| 15:07.06 | Ikkakujyu | Erm. |
| 15:07.12 | Ikkakujyu | Well. It has text editing down. |
| 15:07.16 | adamh | rfl |
| 15:07.17 | adamh | rofl |
| 15:07.34 | Ikkakujyu | Beep Media Player's in the feeds, but impossible to use on a 5500. |
| 15:07.47 | adamh | Why is that? Too slow? |
| 15:08.18 | Ikkakujyu | The skins show up all messed up, so you can't see the buttons. And the screen is too small to do anything with the configure dialogues. |
| 15:08.33 | Ikkakujyu | And when I finally selected an ogg to play, it crashed :( |
| 15:08.44 | adamh | Hehe, okay, I'm stuck with Opie then, I guess |
| 15:08.55 | Ikkakujyu | That's mostly how it goes. |
| 15:09.29 | adamh | thanks |
| 15:10.11 | Ikkakujyu | Of course it could always get better, so don't give up completely. |
| 15:10.24 | adamh | yeah... |
| 15:10.31 | adamh | Just wondering which image I should download today :) |
| 15:10.37 | adamh | btw, I like the new website :) |
| 15:10.51 | Ikkakujyu | Well, you can connect to the X server in GPE over SSH. Which is cool. |
| 15:11.12 | Ikkakujyu | I might try that to see if I can wrangle BMP in. |
| 15:11.24 | lardman | I'm using GPE atm on a c750 |
| 15:11.26 | lardman | it's not bad |
| 15:11.37 | Ikkakujyu | ...does BMP work? |
| 15:11.40 | adamh | haha, that's funny |
| 15:12.25 | lardman | what's beep like? |
| 15:12.32 | lardman | in terms of how well it plays songs? |
| 15:12.41 | Ikkakujyu | It's basically XMMS with a GTK+2 interface. |
| 15:13.01 | lardman | I'm trying VLC (from familiar feed), but it's not decoding mp3 as well as I'd like |
| 15:14.09 | Ikkakujyu | Well, mpg321 works great on the 5500 :) |
| 15:14.24 | Ikkakujyu | That is, if you don't mind a CLI. |
| 15:14.28 | adamh | ick |
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| 15:14.51 | Ikkakujyu | I'd prefer mp3blaster but it won't run because of the small screen. |
| 15:15.09 | lardman | I was hoping for something integrated, doing video too |
| 15:15.17 | lardman | is mp3blaster a GUI tool? |
| 15:15.21 | lardman | prog |
| 15:15.24 | Ikkakujyu | Ncurses. |
| 15:15.53 | aquarius | lardman, mplayer? |
| 15:16.16 | lardman | yeah, but I'd like a GUI too |
| 15:16.46 | aquarius | ah... |
| 15:18.46 | lardman | Goodness me, ipkg status is very slow |
| 15:19.03 | lardman | Goodness me, ipkg info doesn't appear to want to return at all |
| 15:19.17 | lardman | I tell a lie, just very very slow |
| 15:19.21 | aquarius | that happens to me sometimes. No idea why :) |
| 15:19.33 | adamh | Hey, is it just me, or does an SL5500 battery start to REALLY suck after a couple of years? |
| 15:19.46 | Ikkakujyu | Uh. -Every- battery'll do that. |
| 15:19.56 | lardman | I want to remove vlc-gpe now, and am wondering about removing the dependencies which were installed with it |
| 15:20.05 | adamh | I used to get >3 hrs of music. Now I get ~45 mins. |
| 15:20.15 | lardman | we had a conversation about this a while back on #oe, but I can't remember how |
| 15:20.25 | lardman | adamh: I think it goes off |
| 15:21.45 | CoreDump|home | sure, batteries die eventually. Nothing anyone can do about it |
| 15:22.17 | Ikkakujyu | You can replace it with a 5600 battery :) Just forget about using the backplate... |
| 15:22.25 | CoreDump|home | heh |
| 15:23.07 | Ikkakujyu | Or you can retrofit certain cellphone batteries. |
| 15:23.20 | Ikkakujyu | Or you can run it completely off one of those Power Bricks. |
| 15:23.41 | Ikkakujyu | Or you can... get an actual 5000D/5500 battery. |
| 15:24.25 | lardman | Okay, anyone know how to use ipkg - I want to 'ipkg remove vlc-gpe' and get rid of the stuff it installed |
| 15:25.13 | aquarius | can't do that |
| 15:25.13 | adamh | Where does one get batteries? I'm in Canada... |
| 15:25.19 | adamh | All I can think of is eBay |
| 15:25.31 | Ikkakujyu | adamh: Actually, you can still find the Zaurus batteries on Amazon. |
| 15:25.36 | adamh | Ooh! |
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| 15:25.50 | lardman | aquarius: That to me? Drat! |
| 15:26.14 | Ikkakujyu | adamh: Do a search on ea-bl06 (5500) or ea-bl08 (5600). |
| 15:26.18 | adamh | found it. |
| 15:26.22 | adamh | First match on a search for "Zaurus" :) |
| 15:26.25 | Ikkakujyu | Heh. |
| 15:26.53 | aquarius | lardman, yep. The problem is that ipkg doesn't have any memory, so it can't tell whether a package was installed by you installing vlc-gpe or whether you already had it installed. |
| 15:27.54 | lardman | aquarius: Fair enough - is it recursive by default? If I remove vlc-gpe, will it remove vlc-gpe-locale*? |
| 15:28.34 | lardman | oops, need to upgrade ipk |
| 15:28.38 | lardman | ipkg even |
| 15:28.56 | aquarius | lardman, it *should* do, if you do ipkg -recursive |
| 15:29.07 | aquarius | On the other hand, I've found that to be, er, ropy in practice :) |
| 15:30.19 | adamh | What's the default root password on OZ? |
| 15:30.29 | lardman | <blank> |
| 15:30.37 | adamh | Nah, "permission denied"... |
| 15:30.47 | adamh | bah. I'll just set my own :) |
| 15:32.21 | lardman | adamh: you can't ssh without a password though, so yo uhave to set it locally to begin with |
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| 15:36.38 | lardman | right, updating ipkg - how does one go about doing it? |
| 15:40.32 | adamh | Wow, ipkg isn't exactly a speed demon... |
| 15:43.02 | lardman | does anyone know how ipkg manages to upgrade itself? |
| 15:43.28 | lardman | ipkg |
| 15:43.33 | lardman | wrong window, sorry |
| 15:49.46 | adamh | opie-mediaplayer2 depends on libxine1, but I can only find a plain ol "libxine"... |
| 15:51.26 | lardman | are you installing from the feeds? or by hand? |
| 15:51.50 | adamh | feeds |
| 15:52.11 | lardman | odd, perhaps it's a naming problem in the deps then |
| 15:52.18 | adamh | I think so |
| 15:52.28 | adamh | I guess I'll just --force-depends, or whatever the equivalent is |
| 15:52.35 | lardman | report it to the bugtracker (if it's available now - was down this morning) |
| 15:53.10 | adamh | url? |
| 15:53.17 | lardman | top of page...? |
| 15:53.28 | adamh | nope |
| 15:53.31 | lardman | bugs.openembedded.org |
| 15:53.36 | adamh | Oh, you mean /topic :) |
| 15:53.45 | lardman | I always wondered what it was called... |
| 15:53.50 | lardman | :) |
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| 15:55.14 | lardman | aaarrgghh, ipkg is so slow now-a-days |
| 15:55.57 | adamh | Hrm. ipkg-link looks in /mnt/card/usr/..., but now stuff gets installed in /mnt/card/packages/usr/.... |
| 15:56.10 | adamh | btw, bugs.oe.org is down |
| 15:57.35 | lardman | really? I created a new dest user=/home/user and I've yet to see a /home/user/packages dir |
| 16:08.03 | CoreDump|home | adamh: ipkg-link should - as of 3.5.3 - honor the "dest" from ipkg.conf |
| 16:11.11 | Rupert-Giles | yo |
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| 16:15.43 | CoreDump|home | adamh: if test -e /etc/ipkg.conf |
| 16:15.43 | CoreDump|home | then |
| 16:15.43 | CoreDump|home | valid_mount_points=`cat /etc/ipkg.conf| grep ^dest| awk '{print $3}'|sed "s/\/$//"` |
| 16:15.43 | CoreDump|home | else |
| 16:15.44 | CoreDump|home | valid_mount_points="/mnt/card /mnt/cf /mnt/ram /media/card /media/cf /media/ram" |
| 16:15.46 | CoreDump|home | fi |
| 16:27.50 | adamh | CoreDump|home: Yes, but: |
| 16:27.51 | adamh | root@collie:/opt/QtPalmtop/plugins# ipkg-link list /media/card |
| 16:27.51 | adamh | *** Command: list |
| 16:27.51 | adamh | ls: /media/card/usr/lib/ipkg/info/*.list: No such file or directory |
| 16:28.29 | CoreDump|home | do a cat /etc/ipkg.conf| grep ^dest| awk '{print $3}'|sed "s/\/$//" please |
| 16:28.35 | CoreDump|home | wb hrw |
| 16:28.57 | lardman | hi hrw |
| 16:29.28 | adamh | hold on, my wireless just disappeared. (the wireless card is quite weak) |
| 16:30.05 | adamh | /media/cf/packages |
| 16:30.05 | adamh | /media/card/packages |
| 16:30.07 | adamh | /media/ram/packages |
| 16:30.33 | adamh | hrm. Maybe it's just ipkg-link *list* which doesn't work? |
| 16:30.52 | adamh | Oh, I have to type "ipkg-link mount /media/card/packages"? |
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| 16:31.00 | adamh | Ah, yep, that's it |
| 16:31.46 | CoreDump|home | correct |
| 16:32.34 | adamh | thanks |
| 16:32.48 | Cwiiis | adamh: This information is in the release notes, you might do good reading them ;) |
| 16:33.46 | adamh | Cwiiis: I realized the packages moved to a packages/ subdir, but I didn't read that I have to type in the packages/ subdir |
| 16:34.09 | adamh | Ah, reading over, there it is :) |
| 16:34.57 | lardman | I also stand corrected - I assumed that the packages dir would be created automaticallty, not that it was now just good form to use it in the dest line |
| 16:35.22 | adamh | lardman: It will be created automatically... as long as it's specified in /etc/ipkg.conf, I think |
| 16:35.35 | lardman | yep, fair enough |
| 16:38.27 | adamh | What's the required demux plugin for mp3's? I tried mpeg but that doesn't seem to work |
| 16:38.42 | lardman | which app? |
| 16:38.48 | adamh | opieplayer2 (libxine) |
| 16:38.57 | lardman | mad? |
| 16:39.13 | adamh | no, demux, not decode |
| 16:39.22 | lardman | ah, sorry, no idea then |
| 16:40.08 | adamh | I guess I'll try "audio" too... |
| 16:41.23 | lardman | mp3blaster is not very good |
| 16:41.35 | lardman | very slow - with the display on a remote ssh login |
| 16:41.50 | Ikkakujyu | Hrm. |
| 16:42.08 | adamh | YAY! MP3's work! |
| 16:42.20 | adamh | And not stuttery like they were in XMMS on 3.5.2! :) |
| 16:42.22 | adamh | Wooooooooo! :) |
| 16:42.38 | Ikkakujyu | I never noticed, because I always us ogg... |
| 16:42.50 | adamh | Ikkakujyu: It was just me who had the problem, I think :) |
| 16:42.56 | adamh | Anyway, no more problem :) |
| 16:43.00 | Ikkakujyu | Yay. |
| 16:43.31 | adamh | Hey, my wireless card ejects properly, too :) |
| 16:43.32 | adamh | Woo :) |
| 16:44.02 | lardman | I've using GXine - it sounds good too |
| 16:44.41 | lardman | I never had problems with xmms on 3.5.2 strangely enough (except that it couldn't handle vbr songs iirc) |
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| 16:46.09 | xiaowen | For SL-6000, if I can get a USB cable that connects it directly to a Linux box, how do I make one appear to the other as a mass storage device? |
| 16:47.29 | lardman | xiaowen: have you got the storage_fd.o module on your Z? |
| 16:48.44 | xiaowen | I'm not sure. |
| 16:48.57 | xiaowen | I tried to modprobe it and got an insmod error. |
| 16:49.12 | xiaowen | insmod: init_module: storage_fd: Invalid argument |
| 16:49.51 | lardman | yep, well at least it exists |
| 16:50.08 | lardman | hang on and I'll find a script for you |
| 16:50.39 | xiaowen | Thanks. |
| 16:51.12 | xiaowen | (P.S. I thought 3.5.3 came with a 2.6 kernel, but apparently not.) |
| 16:51.25 | lardman | for the 6000 it's still wip |
| 16:51.47 | xiaowen | What's "wip"? |
| 16:52.06 | lardman | work in progress - probably not a standard acronym for IRC |
| 16:52.17 | xiaowen | Oh OK, the release notes says 2.6.11 for C7x0. |
| 16:52.20 | xiaowen | OK. |
| 16:53.00 | lardman | http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=1485&st=45 |
| 16:53.11 | lardman | scroll down to my first post |
| 16:53.30 | lardman | alter the script though, as you need to use pxa_bi, rather than sa1100_bi |
| 16:53.56 | B0Ti | can the C860 also work as a usb storage device? |
| 16:54.03 | lardman | yes |
| 16:54.12 | lardman | all Zaurii can |
| 16:54.18 | B0Ti | cool |
| 16:54.46 | xiaowen | Thanks lardman, let me try loading those modules. |
| 16:54.57 | lardman | ok, let me know how it goes |
| 16:56.48 | xiaowen | Uh oh, I got a segmentation fault on rmmod pxa_bi. |
| 16:57.10 | lardman | hmm |
| 16:57.17 | lardman | I don't know |
| 16:57.22 | lardman | what does lsmod show anyway? |
| 16:57.30 | xiaowen | lsmod shows it, then shows "(deleted)" next to it. |
| 16:57.40 | B0Ti | damn, I just fsckd up my OZ 3.5.3. Forgot to add noauto to the nfs mount in fstab, and now it hangs at boot at mountnfs.sh. Is there a rescue mode? |
| 16:57.43 | lardman | hmm |
| 16:58.10 | xiaowen | Time for a reboot and retry? :) |
| 16:58.21 | lardman | xiaowen: might be |
| 16:58.26 | B0Ti | xiaowen: did you check dmesg? |
| 16:58.37 | lardman | BOTi: can you not connect to the nfs atm |
| 16:58.52 | xiaowen | B0Ti: Nope, too late. |
| 16:59.24 | B0Ti | lardman: my nfs server is up, but the network on the Z is not, because I can't ping it. |
| 16:59.33 | lardman | I see |
| 17:00.18 | lardman | not sure about where to go from there I'm afraid |
| 17:01.26 | lardman | Is it possible to get a console login using the maintenance keypress? |
| 17:01.43 | B0Ti | I have a cacko rom on a CF card that has a rescue mode, I'll try that maybe. |
| 17:02.05 | B0Ti | what is the maintenance keypress? |
| 17:02.05 | xiaowen | OK, I was able to remove it after a reboot. |
| 17:02.29 | xiaowen | I still can't remove usbcore because it says it's being used, though I can't figure out what's using it. |
| 17:02.37 | lardman | BOTi: some kind of diagnostics you can bring up - I don't know whether it'll boot a kernel too (like what happens when you flash) |
| 17:02.58 | lardman | BOTi: using the cacko updater.sh might be easier actually, unless anyone else has any suggestions? |
| 17:03.26 | lardman | have you removed net_fd? |
| 17:03.40 | lardman | that was to xiaowen |
| 17:03.53 | xiaowen | I think you have something there for B0Ti. I remember being able to get a console using the procedure to flash ... |
| 17:04.05 | xiaowen | But that was with 3.5.2, haven't tried with 3.5.3. |
| 17:04.55 | xiaowen | lardman: Yes, and I left usbcore there, modprobed net_fd, then pxa_bi like in your first script ... |
| 17:05.51 | lardman | net_fd xiaowen: does the normal network stuff, storage_fd does the mass storage stuff (second script) |
| 17:06.01 | lardman | oops bit of a typo |
| 17:06.18 | xiaowen | Oh, I bet I couldn't remove it because usbdevfs was mounted on /proc/bus/usb. |
| 17:06.39 | xiaowen | OK lardman. So I can get the first script to work sorta, let me try the second. :) |
| 17:07.05 | B0Ti | odd thing is it hangs at mountall.sh for a minute (probably till the nfs timeout) than at mountnfs.sh it hangs forever. |
| 17:07.12 | xiaowen | Should I umount usbdevfs? |
| 17:08.04 | xiaowen | Uh oh, segmentation fault again when I try to rmmod pxa_bi. |
| 17:08.23 | B0Ti | but mountall is called before networking, so it should not attempt to mount nfs. bug spotted ;) |
| 17:08.30 | lardman | xiaowen: I've not tried the storage script in 3.5.2 |
| 17:08.46 | CoreDump|home | someone should write an opie-sh GUI for it ;) |
| 17:08.50 | lardman | xiaowen: see if you can rmmod net_fd, then insmod storage_fd - see what happens |
| 17:08.51 | xiaowen | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:09.11 | xiaowen | OK, so I can't get a shell with 3.5.3. |
| 17:09.11 | lardman | CoreDump|home: yep, if/when I have time - or anyone else wants to do it |
| 17:09.28 | lardman | xiaowen: yes, sorry |
| 17:09.45 | xiaowen | I went through the steps looking for a shell, now I went too far and am apparently reflashing. ;) |
| 17:10.01 | xiaowen | I'm sure you could do it with 3.5.2 though ... |
| 17:10.36 | lardman | oops |
| 17:11.37 | xiaowen | OK, lardman give me a few more minutes, then I'll try that. |
| 17:11.42 | lardman | ok |
| 17:12.08 | xiaowen | Why can't net_fd and storage_fd be used simultaneously? |
| 17:12.30 | lardman | both need to control the usb stuff/hardware/whatever |
| 17:12.38 | xiaowen | OK. |
| 17:16.07 | xiaowen | I still get invalid argument ... |
| 17:16.38 | lardman | what did you try to pass? |
| 17:16.42 | B0Ti | xiaowen: what command |
| 17:16.57 | xiaowen | storage_device=/dev/hda1 as you have in your script. |
| 17:17.05 | lardman | do you have a CF card? |
| 17:17.22 | B0Ti | xiaowen: are you sure it's hda1 ? |
| 17:17.25 | lardman | if not, change the /dev/ entry to something else |
| 17:17.40 | lardman | hda1 is correct for the first partition on a CF card on the Z |
| 17:17.54 | xiaowen | Oh, I'm confused. |
| 17:18.11 | xiaowen | I thought we were trying to get my Z to appear as mass storage to my Linux box. |
| 17:18.19 | xiaowen | Why are we talking about CF cards? |
| 17:18.26 | lardman | Ah, I'm afraid only cards in your Z can appear as mass storage devices |
| 17:19.11 | HCl | nfs? |
| 17:19.18 | lardman | I imagine it might be possible to write a driver which gives access to the whole fs (or part thereof), but not easy |
| 17:19.49 | xiaowen | :/ |
| 17:20.01 | xiaowen | lardman: It wouldn't be unique to the Zaurus would it? |
| 17:20.15 | xiaowen | I mean we're just dealing with two Linux devices. |
| 17:20.23 | lardman | um, I think it might be pretty unique |
| 17:20.28 | xiaowen | Why? |
| 17:20.54 | lardman | I've not heard of anything which wants to do mass storage from a device which keeps the fs open and mounted on its end |
| 17:21.26 | lardman | as the mass storage driver gives complete control to the host computer - everything (like all the fs operations) are just passed through afaik |
| 17:21.39 | xiaowen | lardman: So other than mass storage, is there another way to transfer data between the Zaurus and a Linux box using the USB port? :) |
| 17:21.42 | lardman | therefore you'd have to intercept this stuff, decide what to do with it, and pass it on |
| 17:21.49 | lardman | Yes, usb net |
| 17:22.06 | lardman | the normal way it operates |
| 17:22.30 | xiaowen | Without the docking station? |
| 17:22.55 | lardman | Should still work ok - doesn't your Z just have a usb connector which can act as a client or a host? |
| 17:23.02 | xiaowen | Does it work the same as in the howto at http://openzaurus.org/wordpress/howto/usb-networking/ if I get a cable that connects the Zaurus directly to a PC? |
| 17:23.09 | xiaowen | Yes, it's a mini-A. |
| 17:23.44 | lardman | I don't know as I don't have one, but I think it should work (be careful, you may need a 'cross-over' cable - if that makes sense) |
| 17:24.46 | xiaowen | Oh, no please explain? |
| 17:24.55 | B0Ti | lardman: it's a usb cable |
| 17:24.56 | xiaowen | I've never heard 'cross-over' used for USB cables. |
| 17:25.11 | lardman | I've no idea about USB cables |
| 17:25.28 | lardman | I just presumed that they might be wired differently on the client and host sides |
| 17:25.37 | B0Ti | lardman: well, im sure you have seen one already ;) |
| 17:25.55 | lardman | Oh, I've seen a few, but not bothered to learn anything about them |
| 17:26.22 | lardman | I've also seen people talking on ZUG about some cables not working, and I presumed it might be something like this |
| 17:26.43 | B0Ti | the plug on the Z end is special, on the other end it's just normal usb that you can plug into a usb hub. |
| 17:27.26 | lardman | yes, but are usb cables directional? One end plugs into a client, the other into a host |
| 17:27.50 | xiaowen | I think the ports can determine whether it's a client or host. |
| 17:28.02 | lardman | Actually, scrub that, it'd come with a cable which does net stuff be default I reckon |
| 17:28.06 | xiaowen | mini-A can act as a host whereas mini-B is client only I think. |
| 17:28.40 | lardman | Again, I don't know - plug it in and try - see what dmesg spits out on the host computer |
| 17:29.33 | xiaowen | Yes, I'd like to, but I need the cable first. :) |
| 17:29.56 | xiaowen | I'd like to know so I don't waste money on a cable, but if it's not expensive, I might just buy it just to try. |
| 17:31.02 | B0Ti | I just tried setting it up (the usb-nnetworking-howto helped a lot) and it works. |
| 17:31.25 | B0Ti | but i'll just use the CF network card, since I like that better. |
| 17:31.45 | xiaowen | Why do you like it better? |
| 17:32.26 | xiaowen | I personally like the extra control real networking would give over just a handle on a memory card. |
| 17:32.51 | lardman | Have a look at the thread on ZUG (I really don't know anything more I'm afraid): http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=7922 |
| 17:32.55 | xiaowen | B0Ti: When you set it up, did you connect directly from your Z to your Linux PC? |
| 17:33.10 | xiaowen | B0Ti: What model Z do you have again? |
| 17:33.36 | xiaowen | Thanks lardman, you've been really helpful anyway. :) |
| 17:33.47 | lardman | BOTi: One advantage of usb networking is that I'm currently connected to my PC via usb & to a wifi network at the same time |
| 17:34.03 | lardman | BOTi: Actually, I can't think that it's a real advantage, buy hey |
| 17:34.14 | lardman | s/buy/but |
| 17:34.58 | lardman | xiaowen: np |
| 17:35.23 | B0Ti | xiaowen: yes, I connected my C860 to my PC |
| 17:35.59 | xiaowen | B0Ti: You have a mini-A to a normal USB cable? |
| 17:36.39 | B0Ti | lardman: for me usb0 is a disadvantage, because it cant get DHCP from my server (which is not the pc that I connect to), unless I do bridging or some other hack. |
| 17:37.14 | lardman | xiaowen: the c7x0 machines have a usb cable which plugs into the Sharp io port |
| 17:37.25 | B0Ti | xiaowen: dunno what a mini-A is, I have the one that came with my Z (normal usb at the end). |
| 17:37.45 | xiaowen | lardman: What kind of USB is it? |
| 17:37.54 | lardman | BOTi: fair enough, I keep my Z <-> PC with a static address and use ICS (on WinXP) |
| 17:38.07 | lardman | xiaowen: c7x0 are only clients |
| 17:38.28 | lardman | xiaowen: so the connector is the one which plugs into the back of a computer |
| 17:38.36 | xiaowen | Oh OK. |
| 17:39.07 | xiaowen | The SL-6000 can act as hosts, so you can plug clients to it like keyboards and such, so I don't know if that makes a difference. :/ |
| 17:40.15 | B0Ti | xiaowen: that makes a difference because you wont need a usb host cf card. (the one that doesn't work with 2.6.11 ;) |
| 17:41.22 | lardman | xiaowen: and I think it does - I think the cables might be different (but I really don't know) |
| 17:41.52 | lardman | Enough speculation on my part I think ;) |
| 17:41.54 | xiaowen | Yeah, I know the cables are different, that's why I gotta buy one. :) |
| 17:42.06 | xiaowen | The cable that came with my Z only goes from docking station to PC. |
| 17:42.19 | xiaowen | It's a mini-B. I need to buy one that has a mini-A end. |
| 17:42.40 | lardman | Well that should work for both usbnet and mass storage |
| 17:43.00 | lardman | if it fits |
| 17:43.18 | lardman | and there are no differences between host & client cables |
| 17:43.33 | xiaowen | You needed an extra USB host CF card to do usbnet? |
| 17:43.47 | lardman | yes, I've got a ratoc card |
| 17:44.10 | xiaowen | Oh. |
| 17:44.20 | lardman | but it has a dongle which accepts a standard usb connector so you can plug stuff in as you would to a PC |
| 17:44.37 | xiaowen | Oh, that's nice. |
| 17:44.48 | B0Ti | xiaowen: no because usbnet works both on the host and the client. |
| 17:44.59 | xiaowen | I hope I find some accessories with the cable so I can plug a standard USB keyboard in and such. |
| 17:45.00 | lardman | ah, but nicer to have it built in (and not using a CF card slot) |
| 17:48.22 | lardman | I'm off, have a nice evening all |
| 17:48.31 | xiaowen | Bye lardman, thanks. |
| 17:48.44 | lardman | np |
| 18:22.49 | CoreDump|home | luzik: wanna test a new 40/26 kernel? |
| 18:28.46 | Rupert-Giles | where is all the C3000 softwre |
| 18:28.48 | Rupert-Giles | heh |
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| 19:13.54 | aquarius | erk. when I try and use a python-gtk program I get a segfault :( Is there any way I can diagnose this? |
| 19:19.53 | aquarius | stracing it doesn't seem to show anything useful |
| 19:20.50 | aquarius | and there is no ltrace in the feed :( |
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| 19:31.00 | B0Ti | aquarius: I have console giving me a segv and strace doesn't help me much either. |
| 19:32.12 | B0Ti | is it possible to use a 2.4 kernel in OZ 3.5.3 instead of 2.6.11 ?? |
| 19:46.48 | Ikkakujyu | Okay... anything special I need to do to connect to the X client on my Z? |
| 19:48.51 | B0Ti | Ikkakujyu: how do you connect to an x _client_ ? |
| 19:49.12 | Ikkakujyu | Erm. I've always been confused about the server/client stuff in X. |
| 19:49.44 | B0Ti | there is one x server (unless you run opie), and the apps are the clients |
| 19:50.21 | Ikkakujyu | Right right. Using GPE. |
| 19:50.34 | Ikkakujyu | And I'm looking into it now, so I'll ask if I have any -real- questions :) |
| 19:50.54 | B0Ti | I haven't tried the new GPE yet. |
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| 19:57.29 | Ikkakujyu | Hrm. mp3blaster -is- slow. It's decoding an ogg at about 85% speed. |
| 19:57.39 | Ikkakujyu | Just like an iPod. |
| 20:06.39 | B0Ti | mp3blaster was slow with mp3s as well. try xmms |
| 20:06.51 | Ikkakujyu | Not an option in GPE. |
| 20:07.16 | Ikkakujyu | Right now I'm trying to get Beep Media Player going over SSH so I can actually use it. |
| 20:07.26 | Ikkakujyu | I already got rxvt to run :) |
| 20:09.27 | B0Ti | Ikkakujyu: try mplayer |
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| 20:31.21 | Cwiiis | Ikkakujyu: gxine is in the upgrades feed for GPE |
| 20:31.32 | Ikkakujyu | Ah. Cool. |
| 20:31.47 | Cwiiis | There's also vlc-gpe and mplayer |
| 20:32.07 | Cwiiis | gpe-nmf should be there too, but I've been told it isn't there - I'd update it, but I'm a bit busy |
| 20:32.55 | Ikkakujyu | Nope, not in there... |
| 20:33.13 | Ikkakujyu | I'm not too anxious, though. |
| 20:34.26 | Cwiiis | Either way, gxine is the best option imo :) (I may be biased) |
| 20:34.58 | Ikkakujyu | Doesn't it have video playback? |
| 20:39.46 | Ikkakujyu | Grr... gxine is crashing on oggs, too. |
| 20:42.13 | Cwiiis | Yes, sorry, that bug's my fault |
| 20:42.42 | Cwiiis | You need an older libvorbisidec, probably - I can send it, but I can't guarantee it'll work - I'll most likely fix it in the next couple of weeks (short on time at the moment) |
| 20:42.56 | Cwiiis | I can send you the older libvorbisidec if you want to test it |
| 20:43.10 | Ikkakujyu | It's not exactly mission critical, but okay. |
| 20:45.05 | Cwiiis | If that one doesn't work, there's one more that might, and if not that, sorry, you'll have to wait :p hehe |
| 20:45.18 | Ikkakujyu | Well, there's always Opie. |
| 20:45.43 | Cwiiis | Yes, that's true |
| 20:46.11 | Cwiiis | But y'know, gpe is nice :) |
| 20:46.11 | Ikkakujyu | Now I need to figure out where xchat put the file :) |
| 20:46.15 | Ikkakujyu | Well, yeah. |
| 20:46.20 | Cwiiis | ~/.xchat/downloads/ |
| 20:46.27 | Ikkakujyu | I can forward X sessions really slowly over 802.11. |
| 20:46.30 | Cwiiis | .xchat2 even |
| 20:48.08 | Ikkakujyu | Ah. MP3s work in Xine as is. |
| 20:48.26 | Ikkakujyu | Now to try the new (old) vorbisdec... |
| 20:52.32 | Ikkakujyu | Er. Ipkg won't remove the old libvorbisidec1. It just says "nothing to be done". |
| 20:55.27 | Cwiiis | Ikkakujyu: --force-depends |
| 20:55.48 | Ikkakujyu | Ah. Duh. |
| 20:56.03 | Cwiiis | The error message could be a bit more descriptive, file a bug :) |
| 20:56.14 | Cwiiis | (bugzilla.handhelds.org I think, or bugs.h... etc.) |
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| 20:57.06 | Ikkakujyu | handhelds.org/bugzilla :( |
| 20:57.09 | Ikkakujyu | Or :) |
| 20:57.12 | Ikkakujyu | (: |
| 21:04.23 | Ikkakujyu | Okay. Xine works with the old vorbisdec :) but it's a good three years old :| |
| 21:05.14 | Cwiiis | What does that matter? It works :) |
| 21:05.16 | hrw | someone has to go through all vorbis depend packages and fix them |
| 21:05.31 | Cwiiis | hrw: No, it was my fault - it can work with the new one, it just needs recompiling - I've patched it in oe |
| 21:05.37 | hrw | ah |
| 21:05.54 | Cwiiis | My staging is polluted now though, I haven't been able to rebuild it correctly |
| 21:06.05 | Cwiiis | If you feel like doing it and adding it to the upgrades feed, that'd be good |
| 21:06.45 | hrw | Cwiiis: first I will prepare oz 353 collie for Ania, then make serial for you and then go to upgrades |
| 21:07.14 | Cwiiis | hrw: Wow, thanks :) |
| 21:07.40 | hrw | Cwiiis: I planed cable for today but has some more work... |
| 21:07.49 | hrw | c7x0 is strange after collie |
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| 21:08.29 | Cwiiis | hrw: That's fair enough - I've been loaded with week this weekend and coming week too :/ A coursework due in Thursday, group project work, meetings, job... I need another holiday :p |
| 21:08.35 | hrw | all those 'smalliconsize, bigiconsize' |
| 21:08.51 | hrw | Cwiiis: I started new OZ website |
| 21:09.16 | Cwiiis | hrw: I noticed, it looks nice :) |
| 21:09.29 | hrw | Cwiiis: just like my own ;) |
| 21:09.39 | Cwiiis | hrw: What's your site url? |
| 21:10.05 | hrw | http://www.hrw.one.pl/ |
| 21:10.37 | hrw | cu - go to sleep |
| 21:15.50 | Ikkakujyu | Manoman, X forwarding is cool. |
| 21:16.18 | CoreDump|home | i don't know what i'd do w/o it |
| 21:16.22 | Ikkakujyu | I can use the Z as a music player, but the controls show up on my desktop :) |
| 21:16.43 | Ikkakujyu | CoreDump|home: aren't you the man behind the Hentges roms? |
| 21:17.03 | CoreDump|home | yep |
| 21:17.30 | Ikkakujyu | Well, they're the only thing that's kept me from switching back to 3.2 :) |
| 21:18.01 | CoreDump|home | 3.2 was ugly as hell compared to 3.5.x IMO |
| 21:18.09 | CoreDump|home | :) |
| 21:18.21 | Ikkakujyu | Yes, but the stock 3.5.x keeps crashing on me. |
| 21:18.30 | Ikkakujyu | During suspend. Sometimes it won't wake up. |
| 21:18.40 | Ikkakujyu | Doesn't happen with the Hentges roms. |
| 21:19.29 | Ikkakujyu | Also 3.2 has the piezo driver. I miss it :( |
| 21:19.58 | CoreDump|home | if you suspend using the menu, it should resume nicely |
| 21:20.47 | Ikkakujyu | Not something I'm used to. I'm having too much fun with GPE now anyway. |
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| 21:21.40 | CoreDump|home | :) |
| 21:21.58 | Ikkakujyu | Erm. Gxine can't do playlists, can it? |
| 21:23.42 | Ikkakujyu | Er. Nevermind. I'm just blind. |
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| 21:29.22 | vext01 | what www browser do you reccommend for opie |
| 21:29.23 | vext01 | ? |
| 21:29.46 | Ikkakujyu | Opera, if you don't mind the compatlibs. |
| 21:29.58 | Ikkakujyu | Other than that, Konqueror is good enough for most things. |
| 21:30.36 | vext01 | konqueror fails install for some reason |
| 21:30.39 | vext01 | any others |
| 21:30.45 | vext01 | im not sure about opera# |
| 21:31.14 | Ikkakujyu | Konqueror and Opera are the only two that work in Opie. |
| 21:31.24 | vext01 | links it is |
| 21:31.45 | Ikkakujyu | That's text-based. |
| 21:31.51 | vext01 | i know |
| 21:31.53 | vext01 | well |
| 21:32.13 | vext01 | there is a gtk2 graphical version and an svga lib par ttoo |
| 21:32.22 | vext01 | but i doubt that will work |
| 21:32.44 | Ikkakujyu | It's not all that spectacular. It's in the feeds, though. |
| 21:33.12 | vext01 | what do we recommend as a media player? |
| 21:33.23 | XorA|gone | vext01: links in feed has fbdev driver |
| 21:33.23 | Ikkakujyu | For Opie? |
| 21:33.31 | vext01 | aye |
| 21:33.35 | imk | can you use ext3 on the sd card? cause theres mkfs.ext3... but i cant seem to mount it as ext3 |
| 21:33.38 | vext01 | opie mediaplayer fails install too btw |
| 21:33.51 | Ikkakujyu | vext01: xmms-embedded should work flawlessly. |
| 21:34.07 | vext01 | ohhhhhh |
| 21:34.09 | vext01 | thanks |
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| 21:49.22 | Ikkakujyu | Oh. I still haven't figured out how to send a ctrl+c in GPE, except over SSH. |
| 21:54.40 | imk | oz-bootstrap + debian = <3 |
| 21:55.54 | Ikkakujyu | Sounds fun :) |
| 21:57.59 | vext01 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:58.08 | vext01 | 1 of 10 packages seem to work |
| 21:58.12 | Ikkakujyu | Erm, where are you installing to? |
| 21:58.15 | vext01 | fails linking |
| 21:58.18 | vext01 | ram |
| 21:58.22 | vext01 | loads of space left |
| 21:58.45 | vext01 | opie mail seems to install ok |
| 22:01.39 | vext01 | over 16MB |
| 22:02.43 | Ikkakujyu | I've no idea, actually. |
| 22:03.15 | vext01 | 'error linking /path/to/so/and/so' |
| 22:03.19 | vext01 | about 200 times |
| 22:03.55 | vext01 | its a real let down |
| 22:04.42 | vext01 | if i try sd it says that its a read only fs |
| 22:04.46 | vext01 | when the card is unlocked |
| 22:04.53 | vext01 | i might cry |
| 22:07.17 | vext01 | hmmm |
| 22:07.19 | vext01 | check this |
| 22:07.55 | vext01 | \/ MEDIA/RAM/USR/LIB/IPKG/INFO/*.LIST: |
| 22:08.03 | vext01 | no such file or directory |
| 22:08.14 | vext01 | if i do ipkg-link mount /media/ram |
| 22:08.20 | vext01 | obviously not caps |
| 22:08.24 | vext01 | any ideas now? |
| 22:11.10 | Ikkakujyu | Sounds like a serious problem. This is where -I- would reflash, but then I reinstall Gentoo every time my /home directory gets cluttered. |
| 22:13.11 | vext01 | ive reflashed this so many times |
| 22:13.18 | vext01 | im thinking of selling up |
| 22:14.29 | vext01 | nothing seems to work ever on my zaurus. teh sharp rom soesnt detect the wireless card, gpe image suspend is screwed up, and i cant seem to get any apps to install on the qpe image |
| 22:14.46 | vext01 | im sure im doing someting wrong |
| 22:15.15 | Ikkakujyu | Suspend in GPE has been fixed. It was one of the big points of 3.5.3. |
| 22:16.05 | Ikkakujyu | Also, with Minimo and Gxine working, it's damn usable. |
| 22:16.28 | vext01 | no its the same in 3.5.3 for me |
| 22:16.42 | Cwiiis | vext01: There's a gtk2 version of links...? |
| 22:17.02 | vext01 | i dunno about on the zaurus but on unix yes |
| 22:17.08 | vext01 | what OS are you running? |
| 22:17.25 | vext01 | it may be gtk1? |
| 22:17.26 | Cwiiis | Linux |
| 22:17.36 | Cwiiis | I know there's a graphical X11 version |
| 22:17.38 | vext01 | ok i dunno how youd install for that |
| 22:17.40 | Cwiiis | Wasn't aware of gtk though |
| 22:17.45 | vext01 | but yes there is a gui for it |
| 22:17.49 | vext01 | links -g |
| 22:17.57 | Cwiiis | That loads up the x11 one for me |
| 22:17.59 | vext01 | svgalib too |
| 22:18.05 | vext01 | man links |
| 22:18.19 | vext01 | maybe im erong |
| 22:18.22 | vext01 | wrong |
| 22:19.24 | vext01 | your right its xlib |
| 22:19.29 | vext01 | sorry ;s |
| 22:19.56 | Cwiiis | np :) |
| 22:20.15 | vext01 | if your after a lightweight gtk browser dillo is your man |
| 22:20.46 | Ikkakujyu | ...minimalist in the extreme, though. |
| 22:21.44 | vext01 | yeh |
| 22:21.46 | vext01 | no ssl |
| 22:22.57 | vext01 | ok ive reflashed and im trying konqueror now |
| 22:23.49 | vext01 | cannot satisfy libqte |
| 22:23.53 | vext01 | no its installed |
| 22:23.55 | vext01 | wtf |
| 22:24.10 | Ikkakujyu | Force depends. |
| 22:25.17 | vext01 | i tried this before |
| 22:25.21 | vext01 | but will try again |
| 22:27.09 | vext01 | its got further |
| 22:27.23 | vext01 | now we are back to the linking errors |
| 22:28.10 | vext01 | its added the app in the tab but it says it cant find stuff |
| 22:28.14 | vext01 | permission to cry |
| 22:29.36 | vext01 | Ikkakujyu: Is there anything to your knowledge that i should have to do inbetween flassh and instaling pkgs |
| 22:29.50 | Ikkakujyu | None that I know of. |
| 22:30.01 | vext01 | bad ram? |
| 22:30.06 | Ikkakujyu | I suggest installing to an ext2 formatted SD card. |
| 22:30.17 | vext01 | good choice |
| 22:30.20 | vext01 | im on it |
| 22:30.22 | Ikkakujyu | If you want a REALLY solid system, though... |
| 22:30.37 | vext01 | yeh |
| 22:30.42 | Ikkakujyu | Get one of the roms at www.hentges.net. |
| 22:31.14 | vext01 | thanks |
| 22:33.05 | vext01 | what has been modified in these initrd;s? |
| 22:34.37 | Ikkakujyu | Oh, the card manager, lots of busybox stuff is replaced, ssh changes, some of the Opie apps removed, bunch of other stuff... |
| 22:35.01 | Ikkakujyu | There's no 3.5.3 version yet, but it's much more recent than 3.5.2. |
| 22:36.36 | vext01 | is there an ext formatter on the zaurus itself? |
| 22:36.43 | vext01 | i have no util for ext on my system |
| 22:36.46 | Ikkakujyu | Hentges'll have it. |
| 22:36.51 | Ikkakujyu | Might want to backup :) |
| 22:36.58 | vext01 | nothing to backup |
| 22:37.01 | Ikkakujyu | Righto. |
| 22:37.28 | vext01 | dev node for sd? |
| 22:37.47 | Ikkakujyu | Eh? |
| 22:38.11 | vext01 | sda1 for my sd card right? |
| 22:38.31 | Ikkakujyu | It'll show up as mmcda1 in OZ. |
| 22:38.50 | Ikkakujyu | But the Hentges rom automatically formats it when you flash. |
| 22:40.47 | vext01 | im gonna try that after i try the ext2 idea |
| 22:40.52 | vext01 | ^ ;s |
| 22:40.59 | vext01 | we about to be kicked off? |
| 22:41.14 | Ikkakujyu | Probably not. |
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