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| 00:17.53 | ruied | so many people in here and no one to help us :( |
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| 01:01.51 | blk-majik | c1000 is an arm500, right? |
| 01:01.57 | blk-majik | woops, wrong win |
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| 01:16.47 | blk-majik | anyone have any success using OZ /w 0mb root (full ram) install? |
| 01:24.25 | Cwiiis | blk-majik: Yes, I never have a ram partition on my collie |
| 01:32.20 | blk-majik | what special stuff di you have to do? im wrestling with it now =( |
| 01:32.28 | blk-majik | i moved /var/tmp to /media/card |
| 01:32.32 | blk-majik | did the same for /home |
| 01:32.50 | blk-majik | but i still run out of space in / when i try to install anything (yes, i am installing to SD) |
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| 03:40.24 | tanq_ | blk-majik: how big is your sd card |
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| 03:54.58 | blk-majik | 256 now. gota 2gb that should be in the mail tomorrow or wed |
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| 04:16.01 | tanq_ | any one know of any links to get the Hancom suite.. |
| 04:21.22 | ljp | there is no download of that |
| 04:22.51 | tanq_ | there use to be.. |
| 04:26.43 | ljp | shouldnt use handcom anyway. |
| 04:41.32 | tanq_ | yeah isnt hancome qt |
| 05:05.50 | ljp | ya |
| 05:06.34 | ljp | hancom is not a very good company :) |
| 05:07.28 | ljp | heh |
| 05:08.29 | ljp | textmaker is better anyway |
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| 06:16.21 | hrw | lardman: do you have collie somewhere? |
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| 06:37.50 | alan | hi ! |
| 06:38.51 | alan | hrw : i fnally flashed back gpe... At least, usb networking works. |
| 06:42.48 | hrw | heh.. that mandrake.. |
| 06:43.27 | hrw | someone with collie (oz 3.5.3 + opie) alive? |
| 06:52.57 | StarScream | hrw: ya |
| 06:54.52 | StarScream | hrw: also, re: FAQ conversation last yesterday, i posted up a thing about doing docs. Not sure if other people can see it or not though. |
| 06:55.07 | hrw | StarScream: you have that "hold cancel to hang" bug on collie? |
| 06:55.29 | StarScream | hrw: yip |
| 06:55.51 | StarScream | my solution atm is not to turn it off :) |
| 06:56.20 | hrw | ok. so you can check something for me (my collie is on other sida of city) |
| 06:56.43 | hrw | StarScream: grab libopiecore package from http://home.hrw.one.pl/tmp/ and install |
| 06:56.44 | StarScream | erm....lemme see if i have my CF card...if not i can check it by lunch |
| 06:57.09 | StarScream | ok, got it. will try |
| 06:57.22 | hrw | also grab openzaurus one (just for sure) |
| 06:57.55 | StarScream | openzaurus one? there is only one libopiecore2-1_1.2.0-r0_arm.ipk in there |
| 06:58.01 | hrw | ok |
| 06:58.16 | hrw | openzaurus one = the one from OZ 3.5.3 feed |
| 06:59.33 | StarScream | hrw: sorry, only new to OZ :) do you mean the zImage and the initrd.bin? |
| 06:59.47 | hrw | ok - ignore it |
| 06:59.53 | StarScream | k :) |
| 07:00.03 | hrw | install my copy and restart zaurus |
| 07:04.54 | hrw | it works? |
| 07:05.18 | StarScream | still wrestling with my cf card.... got a dodgey usb card reader |
| 07:07.27 | StarScream | k just rebooting |
| 07:08.37 | hrw | tell me when opie will appear |
| 07:08.48 | StarScream | hrw: sorry doesn't seemed to have worked |
| 07:09.00 | StarScream | still hangs |
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| 07:10.09 | hrw | ok - install openzaurus copy of that package and forget it.. |
| 07:10.59 | StarScream | hrw: k. sorry i couldn't help more |
| 07:11.07 | hrw | will look on it later on my collie |
| 07:11.10 | hrw | no problem |
| 07:11.18 | hrw | thx for trying |
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| 07:13.36 | StarScream | brb |
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| 07:25.31 | alan | niarggggggg !!! stupid modem... |
| 07:27.27 | alan | sorry for this other newbie question, but as i flashed oz gpe, can i use any gpe feed ? For exemple, can i use familar feed ? |
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| 07:33.06 | that_weasel | anyone know why i might continue having trouble flashing my 860 with OZ |
| 07:34.19 | that_weasel | I have done a NAND restore of the original ROM, resized root with the cacko tool and install every other ROMl, but OZ always stops with a little cursor at the top of the screen after going through the boot process |
| 07:35.01 | that_weasel | oh and I also tried removing the card I was flashing from right after the Rebooting message appears... |
| 07:37.09 | hrw|work | that_weasel: OZ NEEDS original partition scheme |
| 07:37.20 | hrw|work | nand restore and then flash OZ |
| 07:37.29 | that_weasel | i did that |
| 07:37.51 | hrw|work | you flashed opie or gpe? |
| 07:37.58 | that_weasel | i tried both |
| 07:38.38 | that_weasel | with opie it goes through all the boot messages and just after finishing S99finish it goes to a screen with a cursor in the top left |
| 07:38.52 | hrw|work | hmm |
| 07:39.06 | hrw|work | hmm... |
| 07:39.15 | hrw|work | rm -rf /home/root/ and then try |
| 07:39.27 | that_weasel | with gpe it goes to a screen immedeatly at boot with the "OpenZuarus" with a the green penguin logo |
| 07:39.40 | that_weasel | with a flashing cursor right under it |
| 07:40.25 | that_weasel | i'll try that real quick |
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| 07:42.06 | that_weasel | ummmm....at the moment with the SHarp ROM usr and modules are mounted in /home/root |
| 07:42.23 | that_weasel | will format the user space with the cacko tool |
| 07:50.39 | that_weasel | ok, well, i formatted the user space, and then flashed with OZ-opie and now i got a blank screen after S99finish instead of the solid cursor in the top left |
| 07:51.52 | hrw|work | on my c760 when I flashed oz 3.5.3 after nandrestore all what I had to do was clean /home from sharp stuff |
| 07:52.21 | that_weasel | how did you do that? |
| 07:52.26 | b0ti | hrw: what's nandrestore? |
| 07:53.01 | that_weasel | i tried rm -rf /home/root and got lots of....oh wait...does the Sharp ROM keep you logged in as a regular user? |
| 07:55.48 | that_weasel | ok, so /home/root, and /root are empty now... |
| 07:56.00 | that_weasel | let see if OZ plays nice now... :D |
| 07:57.45 | that_weasel | b0ti, NAND restore is a last resort sort of way to get things back to their original state if you some how mess up... |
| 07:58.15 | that_weasel | crap, i got the cursor again! |
| 08:02.24 | b0ti | that: did you repartition to the original sharp layout? |
| 08:05.24 | that_weasel | yea |
| 08:05.37 | hrw|work | re |
| 08:05.38 | that_weasel | i got the original sharp ROM installed and working |
| 08:05.58 | hrw|work | that_weasel: I removed all from /home - everything |
| 08:05.59 | that_weasel | but OZ keep failing to start after flashing it |
| 08:06.08 | that_weasel | trying that now |
| 08:06.36 | hrw|work | b0ti: nandrestore is rewritting whole flash with nand backup |
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| 08:07.54 | that_weasel | b0ti: nand backup is the equivilent of a HD image in which all partition info and data on those are stored |
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| 08:08.11 | that_weasel | here it is, the moment of truth |
| 08:08.19 | that_weasel | *drum roll* |
| 08:08.28 | b0ti | yesterday after reflashing, I got bad blocks and jffs2 CRC errors. Would a nand restore solve this? |
| 08:08.48 | that_weasel | *sigh* |
| 08:08.52 | StarScream | that_weasel: i only just joined, whats the drum roll for? |
| 08:08.53 | that_weasel | cursor |
| 08:09.13 | alan | b0ti: the best way to perfectly clean your z. It erases any software related pb, not hardware related. Just try, and you will know |
| 08:09.34 | that_weasel | in anticipation of the most resent potential solution to why OZ refuses to start up properly for me |
| 08:09.45 | that_weasel | ...working... |
| 08:09.51 | that_weasel | but it didn't |
| 08:10.04 | b0ti | I'm just afraid that I'll brick my Z and will have to send it back to Japan again.... |
| 08:10.28 | that_weasel | rebooting with cards removed |
| 08:10.43 | that_weasel | b0ti: again? |
| 08:10.51 | alan | b0ti: if you download the good file, check md5 and proceed carefully, there is no pb. I did it 4 times on my 750. |
| 08:11.08 | that_weasel | i did it like 4 times today.... |
| 08:11.18 | alan | that_weasel: ^^ |
| 08:11.27 | that_weasel | (with out the check md5, and proceed carefully part) |
| 08:11.34 | that_weasel | :P |
| 08:11.56 | alan | that_weasel: :) |
| 08:12.07 | that_weasel | plus it would give me a good excuse to buy a c3000 |
| 08:12.16 | that_weasel | ;) |
| 08:12.40 | alan | well, just give me your Z and go buy another one... :p |
| 08:12.46 | that_weasel | ok, with the cards removed i get a blank screen after S99finish runs |
| 08:12.53 | that_weasel | :P |
| 08:13.01 | alan | that_weasel: the first bott is very long |
| 08:13.04 | b0ti | that_weasel: I sent it back once, I plugged in the ac adapter with wrong polarity and fried something in it. |
| 08:13.18 | that_weasel | alan: honestly that sounds like a good idea.... |
| 08:13.36 | that_weasel | maybe when i upgrade i'll donate it to the person i think is the most needy or something |
| 08:13.49 | alan | what model ? |
| 08:14.04 | that_weasel | 860 |
| 08:14.40 | alan | developpers might need one... |
| 08:15.10 | alan | that would be really generous from you ! |
| 08:15.27 | that_weasel | I could write off the original price I paid for it and probalby get about the same amount in tax savings as I would get selling it...well quite a bit less, but i would feel better about hooking someone up |
| 08:15.45 | that_weasel | my friend just ordered a 3000.... |
| 08:16.12 | XorA | on that note, if people know of dead Z's we need them as well |
| 08:16.16 | that_weasel | so i'm sure after playing with his i'll be searching for money to get mine |
| 08:16.32 | alan | that_weasel: ^^ |
| 08:16.34 | that_weasel | alan: long time = ? |
| 08:17.22 | alan | more than 1 min, less than 2... |
| 08:17.34 | that_weasel | may just get a 1000....but i'm thinking the 3968MB of internal storage might be handy |
| 08:17.42 | hrw|work | XorA: cxk b0rken for example to get 2.6 on it |
| 08:17.57 | that_weasel | ok, so since the screen is still blank i think nothing is happening... |
| 08:18.41 | alan | blank = absolutely blank ? |
| 08:18.42 | hrw|work | that_weasel: leave Z for 5-10 minutes |
| 08:19.37 | alan | got to go... lesson time, until 18:00... hope my battery will hold on... |
| 08:19.40 | alan | bye |
| 08:20.38 | that_weasel | been about 5 minutes now...will leave it for a bit longer... |
| 08:21.07 | that_weasel | then will try to flash again, and do the same (leave it for 5-10 minutes..) |
| 08:22.28 | that_weasel | hrw|work, during the period of time of the first boot that takes a while....is the screen suppose to be blank and/or have a little cursor in the top left>? |
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| 08:24.39 | b0ti|work | that_weasel: it has a cursor, and a boot logo too... |
| 08:25.05 | that_weasel | the boot logo should be their the entire time it booting? |
| 08:25.17 | that_weasel | there |
| 08:25.38 | hrw|work | yes |
| 08:26.48 | that_weasel | ok, reflashed, and the boot process is almost up to S99finish.... |
| 08:27.13 | that_weasel | S99finish is running now... |
| 08:27.25 | that_weasel | screen went blank.... |
| 08:27.28 | hrw|work | as I said - wait 10 minutes |
| 08:27.39 | that_weasel | and i'm going to go smoke a cig while i wait |
| 08:28.31 | that_weasel | hrw|work, i'm pretty sure it was over 10 minutes the last time...but i don't have timestamp turned on in xchat...so...i'm not positive |
| 08:29.09 | hrw|work | ok |
| 08:29.19 | that_weasel | but this time i check the clock...at 4:40 AM EST i will be 12 minutes since the sceen went blank |
| 08:29.27 | that_weasel | brb |
| 08:30.04 | that_weasel | BTW, thanks for your help...! |
| 08:32.53 | XorA | that_weasel: try pressing shift key to get scren back |
| 08:34.25 | b0ti|work | lardman: ping |
| 08:41.31 | that_weasel | 13 minutes |
| 08:41.36 | that_weasel | shift key does nothing... |
| 08:43.01 | that_weasel | rebooting with all cards ejected |
| 08:45.02 | that_weasel | starting 10 minute count down again... |
| 08:47.01 | hrw|work | that_weasel: hold shirt to get rid of elpp |
| 08:47.06 | hrw|work | shift |
| 08:49.40 | hrw|work | I had elpp |
| 09:28.13 | lardman | b0ti|work: ping |
| 09:33.07 | b0ti|work | lardman: I look at your cfu1 stuff last night |
| 09:33.37 | b0ti|work | the only problem I have now is that bb tries to use gcc-2.95 |
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| 09:36.28 | b0ti|work | lardman: I did a few fixes to the code: http://siliconium.net/cfu1-driver.tar.gz |
| 09:36.54 | lardman | b0ti|work: I was going to say that I put up and old version of the code... |
| 09:36.58 | lardman | b0ti|work: sorry |
| 09:37.21 | lardman | b0ti|work: I suppose you noticed that the _cs.o module didn't compile |
| 09:40.27 | b0ti|work | well, I guess I fixed those ;) |
| 09:43.03 | lardman | Cool - so does it compile now? |
| 09:44.22 | b0ti|work | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:44.33 | b0ti|work | this is why I couldn't compile. |
| 09:45.00 | lardman | it does that for kernel builds, depending on which kernel you have set in your local.conf (I think) |
| 09:45.32 | b0ti|work | I think the "inherit module" has something else in it |
| 09:45.57 | hrw|work | b0ti|work: in conf/local.conf do you have MACHINE="c7x0" KERNEL_VERSION="2.6"? |
| 09:46.03 | b0ti|work | I have oz-2.6.11 and compiled by gcc-3.4 |
| 09:47.23 | b0ti|work | KERNEL_VERSION was commented out. |
| 09:47.34 | b0ti|work | though the kernel compiles fine. |
| 09:58.04 | b0ti|work | now that I have KERNEL_VERSION="2.6", bb tries to build 2.6.12-rc . |
| 09:58.20 | b0ti|work | what PREFERRED line should I use for 2.6.11? |
| 09:58.21 | hrw|work | add PREFERRED_VERSION_linux-openzaurus=2.6.11 |
| 09:58.33 | b0ti|work | thnx |
| 10:04.01 | ruied | hi, I have OZ 3.5.3 and a sharp 5500. When I install some package it it say's something like: "error linking..." |
| 10:06.17 | ruied | how can I resolv it? |
| 10:06.43 | hrw|work | installing to ext2 card? |
| 10:07.09 | ruied | to ram |
| 10:07.44 | hrw|work | should work afaik |
| 10:07.47 | ruied | it says error linking with all the packages that I install... |
| 10:08.00 | hrw|work | what you use to install/link? |
| 10:08.37 | ruied | the opie package manager... |
| 10:09.32 | ruied | I select the packages and install tehm directly form the net ( With a linksys wcf12 wireless card) |
| 10:09.52 | ruied | them ... from... |
| 10:10.52 | hrw|work | heh.. I use(d) 64-0 on collie since OZ 3.3.6pre |
| 10:11.34 | ruied | I've used a 32-32 |
| 10:15.05 | ruied | should I try the 64-0 ? |
| 10:15.24 | hrw|work | do you have sd or cf card? |
| 10:16.00 | ruied | yup |
| 10:16.23 | hrw|work | so go for it |
| 10:16.23 | ruied | I have a 128Mb SD to be used just for my zaurus... |
| 10:16.37 | ruied | ok, going to try |
| 10:19.51 | hrw|work | in collie I have 64M sd and lots of stuff installed |
| 10:21.02 | ruied | I'm flashing it |
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| 10:35.04 | b0ti|work | lardman: I compiled the sl811_cs.o module! |
| 10:35.36 | hrw|work | great |
| 10:41.10 | lardman | b0ti|work: cool |
| 10:41.30 | hrw|work | first problem resolved - now does it work.. ;) |
| 10:41.42 | lardman | you can't know, as you need the driver too |
| 10:41.51 | lardman | ... the next step ;) |
| 10:42.53 | b0ti|work | lardman: I don't have my Z here, that's the problem. |
| 10:43.54 | b0ti|work | Yesterday I compiled a kernel with the sl811_hc, but I had some problems (Z locked up when mounting nfs share). |
| 10:44.10 | b0ti|work | I'll test tonight. |
| 10:47.39 | lardman | b0ti|work: I'm not sure whether the (what are they called) entry points (?) are the same for both drivers? |
| 10:47.57 | lardman | b0ti|work: If they are, then that's great :) |
| 10:48.35 | lardman | I'm currently compiling a 2.6 GPE image which I'll use to test |
| 10:51.06 | b0ti|work | lardman: what are those entry points? |
| 10:54.56 | b0ti|work | how can I specify in a bb file, that the source is included in the package and is not an external URI to a tar.gz ? |
| 10:55.17 | hrw|work | use file:// |
| 10:55.39 | b0ti|work | but it will put it under file/ then |
| 10:55.47 | b0ti|work | and gcc doesn't find it |
| 11:00.25 | b0ti|work | I mean, it ends up in the root work directory, and gcc is looking for it in the dir called cfu1-driver |
| 11:01.17 | b0ti|work | for a file:// URI, what is the source, and what is the target directory? |
| 11:02.52 | lardman | What do you want to do? |
| 11:03.20 | lardman | Include your patched _cs.c file in openembedded? |
| 11:03.48 | b0ti|work | yes |
| 11:04.01 | lardman | and will you also include the makefile? |
| 11:04.06 | b0ti|work | yes |
| 11:04.11 | b0ti|work | it's only 2 files |
| 11:04.21 | lardman | yep, hang on a tick |
| 11:05.07 | b0ti|work | I think it's better than downloading from papai.org and removing/adding the unnecessary stuff via patch. |
| 11:05.12 | lardman | I'd use a do_compile_prepends (is that the right name? hrw?) |
| 11:05.37 | lardman | to copy the files from ${WORKDIR} to wherever they need to be compiled |
| 11:05.41 | hrw|work | it is method |
| 11:05.51 | hrw|work | or better make a patch which will add them |
| 11:06.04 | lardman | hrw|work: patch nothing? |
| 11:06.11 | lardman | and create the files? |
| 11:06.12 | hrw|work | yes |
| 11:06.24 | b0ti|work | ok, I figured it out. |
| 11:06.33 | b0ti|work | works now. ;) |
| 11:07.01 | lardman | does the sl811 kernel module get created automatically? |
| 11:07.08 | hrw|work | enable it in config |
| 11:07.15 | lardman | k |
| 11:07.26 | b0ti|work | you need to set it to M in .config |
| 11:08.08 | lardman | Ok, did you do that manually, or run make menuconfig (as we'll need some more kernel modules to do anything useful in the end) |
| 11:09.16 | b0ti|work | menuconfig |
| 11:09.46 | lardman | cool |
| 11:10.09 | b0ti|work | now my only concern is that the kernel module is /lib/modules/2.6.11/pcmcia/sl811_cs.o |
| 11:10.21 | b0ti|work | and it should be called .ko |
| 11:10.25 | b0ti|work | right? |
| 11:12.11 | lardman | yes |
| 11:12.20 | lardman | afaiu |
| 11:12.33 | lardman | however that may just be the makefile |
| 11:12.37 | b0ti|work | The modified bb package is at http://siliconium.net/cfu1-driver.tar.gz |
| 11:13.36 | b0ti|work | right. it says "TARGET = sl811_cs.o" in the makefile |
| 11:13.37 | lardman | do you have a copy of the 811 driver handy? |
| 11:13.48 | b0ti|work | ipk? |
| 11:13.57 | b0ti|work | I'll put them up |
| 11:14.00 | lardman | no, just the module from the kernel build |
| 11:17.42 | b0ti|work | http://siliconium.net/ipk/ |
| 11:17.53 | b0ti|work | you can extract the module from there ;) |
| 11:18.43 | b0ti|work | but the kernel needs host controller support, so I'm not sure it you can go without a recompile |
| 11:20.32 | lardman | shouldn't it be able to use the module for that? |
| 11:20.44 | b0ti|work | depmod will tell ya. |
| 11:21.00 | lardman | first I need a 2.6.11 kernel, still building |
| 11:22.58 | b0ti|work | I put up a kernel too, if you want it (called zImage.usb-modules). |
| 11:23.12 | lardman | I need to build it really, for GPE |
| 11:23.16 | lardman | thanks though |
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| 12:21.04 | aquarius | Can I get mouse events on the console? Would I need something like gpm for the Z to do that? |
| 12:21.20 | hrw|work | probably |
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| 12:25.13 | XorA | aquarius: youd need to teach gpm tslib |
| 12:25.45 | aquarius | XorA: ah, so that's not already done, then? Doing it is, I fear, well beyond my capabiliti es;( |
| 12:29.44 | XorA | aquarius: time to buy C in 24 days :-) |
| 12:30.06 | aquarius | XorA: time to consider another approach, I feel ;) |
| 12:30.24 | XorA | aquarius: why do you need mouse on colsole? |
| 12:33.40 | aquarius | XorA: 'cos I'm trying to write an app in Python that manages media for me. I don't want it to run inside GPE/Opie, I want it to be the only app (providing all the UI), and none of the existing methods work in OZ 3.5.3 afaict. |
| 12:34.50 | XorA | aquarius: DirectFB might have what you need |
| 12:35.24 | aquarius | XorA: what's directFB? Sorry, I don;'t know about that :) |
| 12:35.32 | XorA | aquarius: www.directfb.org |
| 12:36.56 | aquarius | hm, can't get to it. is it down, or it it my firm's crap network? :) |
| 12:37.18 | XorA | aquarius: its there and running |
| 12:37.23 | aquarius | *sob* |
| 12:37.27 | aquarius | stupid work network |
| 12:39.58 | aquarius | would the plan be to write an app which used directfb directly, or to use one of the projects that allows gtk or qt or x to run atop directfb? |
| 12:41.00 | aquarius | hm: pydirectfb.sourceforge.net |
| 12:41.19 | XorA | aquarius: there is gtkdirevtfb as well |
| 12:41.53 | aquarius | yeah, but python-gtk doesn't work in OZ3.5.3 :( |
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| 12:42.19 | aquarius | (otherwise I'd just use that atop the X server) |
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| 12:46.54 | alan_ | back from university !! lessons have been cancelled ^^ |
| 12:47.36 | alan_ | i'm working on fixxing mandrake... |
| 12:48.10 | XorA | alan_: wicked |
| 12:48.37 | alan_ | in my /boot/config, i have |
| 12:48.52 | alan_ | # Intelligent USB Devices/Gadgets |
| 12:48.52 | alan_ | # |
| 12:48.52 | alan_ | CONFIG_USB_ARMLINUX=y |
| 12:48.52 | alan_ | CONFIG_USB_EPSON2888=y |
| 12:48.52 | alan_ | CONFIG_USB_ZAURUS=y |
| 12:48.53 | alan_ | CONFIG_USB_CDCETHER=y |
| 12:48.55 | alan_ | # |
| 12:48.59 | alan_ | # USB Network Adapters |
| 12:49.01 | alan_ | # |
| 12:49.05 | alan_ | CONFIG_USB_AX8817X=y |
| 12:49.11 | alan_ | XorA: is that good ? |
| 12:50.51 | b0ti|work | alan_: you need this: CONFIG_USB_USBNET=m |
| 12:51.58 | alan_ | mmmm.... |
| 12:52.00 | alan_ | CONFIG_USB_USBNET=m |
| 12:52.10 | alan_ | it's here... |
| 12:52.31 | b0ti|work | I recommend that you put the gadget stuff into modules too |
| 12:54.01 | alan_ | oki... so i need recompiling the kernel... |
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| 12:55.08 | alan_ | b0ti|work: are you sure it will work that way ? |
| 12:55.37 | alan_ | i've never done this, and i don't want to mess up all my config... |
| 12:56.30 | b0ti|work | CONFIG_USB_CDCETHER and CONFIG_USB_USBNET are different, but achieve the same goal, therefore only one should be used at a time. AFAIK. |
| 12:57.20 | b0ti|work | alan_: I connect to my Z with usbnet, and not with the gadget. |
| 12:57.42 | alan_ | yeah, that would explian the "chosing configuration #2" in dmesg... |
| 12:58.47 | b0ti|work | compiling your own kernel is recommended anyway. Mandrake can only guess what HW you have. |
| 13:00.15 | alan_ | just a question : CONFIG_USB_USBNET is related to usbnet module, right ? so there mmust be a cdcether module... would it work if i unloed the usbnet module and then insmod cdcetehr ? |
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| 13:03.50 | b0ti|work | alan, that't the point. you can modprobe usbnet OR modprobe cdcether. |
| 13:05.15 | alan_ | and i can't unload usbnet and then load cdcether, i guess,... can I ? |
| 13:06.08 | b0ti|work | you can. |
| 13:06.38 | b0ti|work | so it's possible to change your setup without recompiling the kernel if you use modules. |
| 13:06.49 | alan_ | great ! |
| 13:09.42 | hrw|work | use usbnet instead of cdcether rather |
| 13:11.21 | alan_ | argh !! that is what i do... i even think i blacklisted cdcether but i don't remember where i did that... |
| 13:17.01 | alan_ | plus i found a way not to be able to login to GPE... argh !!!! pffff... sometimes i don't know why i keep on trying new things... My grand mother always says that the better is the ennemy of the good. |
| 13:17.39 | blk-majik | there used to be a good howto on how to move the root fs to the sd card, but i cant find it anywhere these days. any help please? |
| 13:19.50 | alan_ | blk-majik: http://www.oxstone.com/Z_move_root_to_sdcard/ |
| 13:20.21 | blk-majik | ahh nice. thank u =) |
| 13:20.44 | alan_ | blk-majik: :) |
| 13:22.10 | b0ti|work | what tools are available in OZ to manipulate the flash filesystem (eg. mtd-tools)? |
| 13:25.05 | hrw|work | b0ti|work: mtd-utils package or mtd-tools package |
| 13:25.37 | hrw|work | mtd-utils in feed/base/ |
| 13:28.20 | b0ti|work | I want to fix the CRC errors on my Z, maybe flash_eraseall can solve this. |
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| 13:28.44 | dgram | hi all |
| 13:29.07 | dgram | just downloaded openzaurus for my sl-5600 and get the freeze-on-splash-screen error |
| 13:29.11 | dgram | can anyone help? |
| 13:30.31 | hrw|work | dgram: wait few minutes |
| 13:30.50 | dgram | ok thanks |
| 13:31.16 | dgram | u mean just leave it on the splash scren and wait? |
| 13:32.52 | hrw|work | yes |
| 13:33.08 | hrw|work | on first boot lot of packages do configure part |
| 13:33.56 | dgram | i see |
| 13:34.10 | dgram | will it matter if i;ve re-set it while it was in the middle of this process? |
| 13:34.34 | alan_ | hrw|work: is it me or lots of zaurus users are trying the new OZ ? |
| 13:35.05 | dgram | i just got my first saurus tonight :) |
| 13:35.07 | dgram | z* |
| 13:35.09 | hrw|work | dgram: it wont be good thing rather |
| 13:35.18 | dgram | shal i re-flash it? |
| 13:35.33 | hrw|work | do it |
| 13:35.37 | dgram | ok |
| 13:35.45 | dgram | another quick question: |
| 13:36.50 | dgram | will the RTM-8000 GPRS CF card work with openzaurus? |
| 13:37.07 | hrw|work | dont know |
| 13:37.23 | hrw|work | never seen one |
| 13:37.38 | XorA | dgram: I beleive so, it shows as a serial port |
| 13:37.50 | dgram | great, thanks |
| 13:38.03 | XorA | dgram: there is zero software for it though |
| 13:38.29 | hrw|work | but if it can work as modem then maybe ppp willbe enough.. |
| 13:38.29 | dgram | I noticed on the OpenZaurus site that before flashing with openzaurus, I need to rm -rf /home/root && mkdir /home/root |
| 13:38.31 | dgram | is that true? |
| 13:38.44 | XorA | dgram: yes |
| 13:38.45 | hrw|work | better to do it then not do it |
| 13:39.24 | alan_ | why is it not included in the installation process ? |
| 13:39.30 | dgram | unfortunately theres no terminal app on my existing ROM |
| 13:39.48 | alan_ | dgram : ssh |
| 13:39.52 | alan_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:39.58 | hrw|work | alan_: because if you upgrade from OZ 3.5.3-pre to 3.5.3-release then you already have files there |
| 13:40.07 | XorA | dgram: there is a terminal on the sharp cdrom |
| 13:40.14 | alan_ | hrw|work: oki doki |
| 13:40.30 | dgram | i'll need to download and install a terminal package (.ipk right?) so that i can rm- -rf /home/root? |
| 13:40.31 | dgram | ok thanks |
| 13:40.45 | dgram | how does openzaurus compare to other zaurus roms out there like thekompany, etc? |
| 13:40.51 | dgram | I have NFI :) |
| 13:41.07 | dgram | just browsed around google a bit so far |
| 13:43.04 | hrw|work | dgram: its newer, faster, its like normal linux |
| 13:43.09 | hrw|work | etc..etc.. |
| 13:43.21 | dgram | great.. the more like normal linux the better |
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| 13:44.39 | XorA | dgram: the GPE ROM is exactly like using a linux desktop with X |
| 13:45.05 | alan_ | dgram: pdaxrom is quite impressive in this role |
| 13:45.39 | dgram | I noticed 3 different roms - bootstrap, GPE and Opie |
| 13:45.43 | dgram | what is the diff? |
| 13:45.49 | hrw|work | alan_: we have more packages and 2.6 kernel ;) |
| 13:45.57 | hrw|work | dgram: opie is like sharp rom |
| 13:46.07 | hrw|work | gpe use X11 and GTK |
| 13:46.14 | hrw|work | bootstrap is pure console |
| 13:46.24 | alan_ | hrw|work: don't tell me about 2.6 kernel, please... |
| 13:46.27 | alan_ | ^^ |
| 13:46.38 | hrw|work | alan_: 2.6/c7x0 works great |
| 13:46.48 | dgram | ok great - i will give GPE a go |
| 13:46.55 | alan_ | hrw|work: except when you have a mandrake... |
| 13:47.11 | hrw|work | alan_: but its not our problem ;P |
| 13:47.19 | StarScream | hrw|work: do you think that suspend bug on the 5500 is a opie only bug or is it gpe as well? |
| 13:47.37 | hrw|work | dont know now |
| 13:47.39 | alan_ | hrw|work: why are you mean to me ;p |
| 13:49.57 | b0ti|work | alan_: go install a real linux distro, mandrake is for kids. |
| 13:50.02 | b0ti|work | ;) |
| 13:50.09 | hrw|work | StarScream: the problem with collie is that noone want to maintain its buggy kernel and that device is fscking old so it have too many custom hardware inside |
| 13:50.14 | alan_ | b0 : i am a kid... |
| 13:50.16 | hrw|work | go debian |
| 13:50.32 | alan_ | seriously, i like mandrake... |
| 13:51.19 | b0ti|work | alan_: i did too (five years ago) until I tried debian. |
| 13:51.58 | alan_ | plus it has been difficult enough to explain my wife why i didn't want to use windows anymore, and to get her used to mandrake... |
| 13:52.27 | b0ti|work | she won't notice if you install a different distro |
| 13:52.53 | alan_ | b0ti|work: pff... i don't know... maybe this summer, if i have time, i'll test that... |
| 13:53.24 | hrw|work | heh.. I started with debian |
| 13:54.29 | alan_ | that is a pitty i should reinstall all my pc just to have my z accessing the net !!! |
| 13:55.13 | lardman|v_busy | I have Mandrake and once my GPE 2.6.11 build has finished I'll have a look at it. Hasn't Mickeyl also got Mandrake? |
| 13:56.01 | hrw|work | lardman|v_busy: afaik yes |
| 13:56.05 | b0ti|work | lardman|v_busy: you have windows NT, that's even worse :P |
| 13:56.29 | lardman|v_busy | b0ti|work: XP, but yes, still bad - but that's just my machine at work |
| 13:57.07 | alan_ | lardman|v_busy: thanks. don't hesitate to communicate your results. |
| 13:57.28 | lardman|v_busy | alan_: will do (but my build just failed, so it might be a while ;) ) |
| 13:57.41 | alan_ | lardman|v_busy: ^^' |
| 13:58.13 | b0ti|work | lardman|v_busy: did you try to load the modules? (I can't wait to go home and try it on my Z) |
| 13:58.46 | lardman|v_busy | b0ti|work: Still stuck on 2.4.18, hence my building a new GPE image |
| 13:58.52 | b0ti|work | ok |
| 14:08.06 | alan_ | can we use familiar feed, as is is based on openenbedded ? |
| 14:08.50 | hrw|work | alan_: no |
| 14:09.36 | alan_ | arrrgh... fed up with this error on quiting the Root shell from normal user : "urxvt: can't get colour '#969696' continuing without" |
| 14:09.42 | alan_ | thanks hrw|work |
| 14:12.37 | StarScream | hrw|work: so i should get a new zaurus? I'm really only interested in getting the thing to sync with KDE :) if i can do that my zaurus life will be complete |
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| 14:12.47 | hrw|work | StarScream: ;) |
| 14:13.41 | blk-majik | you guys getting rboot to work correctly? i think im doing something wrong but not sure what |
| 14:14.06 | hrw|work | I once tried rboot |
| 14:14.10 | b0ti|work | blk-majik: reboot is weird for me too. |
| 14:15.36 | blk-majik | does moveRootToSd.sh work 'better'? |
| 14:15.54 | hrw|work | why all want move whole / to sd? |
| 14:16.03 | hrw|work | if use opie then move /opt/ |
| 14:16.17 | blk-majik | i tried moving /opt and /var and /hoome |
| 14:16.22 | blk-majik | still ran outa space =( |
| 14:16.26 | hrw|work | ? |
| 14:16.36 | hrw|work | moved /opt/ and got ~10M free |
| 14:16.52 | blk-majik | i did the 64/0 install |
| 14:16.57 | hrw|work | me too |
| 14:17.18 | blk-majik | i keep having problems /w /lib getting full |
| 14:17.36 | hrw|work | what do you install? |
| 14:17.56 | blk-majik | its pretty random |
| 14:18.16 | blk-majik | ive had the best luck with installing stuff to sd only |
| 14:18.19 | blk-majik | but that has its own set of issues |
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| 15:13.53 | guylhem1 | hello - looking for bluez modules for 2.4.6 running 3.5.2 |
| 15:14.19 | lardman|v_busy | 2.4.6? with OZ 3.5.2 - you sure? |
| 15:14.46 | guylhem1 | oops 3.2 |
| 15:15.20 | lardman|v_busy | Not sure - I think coredump has a 3.2 feed on his home page still though...? |
| 15:15.20 | guylhem1 | on a collie (55500). I'd like a working sd driver and no right key bug so I fear upgrading to 3.5.3 (that's for a present :-) |
| 15:15.48 | CoreDump|home | nope, only a 3.3.6-pre1 feed |
| 15:16.12 | guylhem1 | looks like I need to flash a 3.5.2 then :-) never mind |
| 15:16.18 | guylhem1 | any clue about the right key bug? |
| 15:16.41 | hrw|work | nope |
| 15:17.48 | guylhem1 | IMHO (based on my 6000 kernel 2.4 experience) it's a kernel bug due to a holdkey event being generated |
| 15:18.00 | guylhem1 | it happened to me on the 6000 with the light key |
| 15:18.08 | hrw|work | got fix? |
| 15:18.26 | guylhem1 | I haven't seen the 2.4 running on collie 3.5.3 |
| 15:18.43 | guylhem1 | to test this hypothesis do a showkey in console, then do the dreaded key |
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| 15:19.24 | guylhem1 | it if shows something not like the keycode generated by right, you've found it |
| 15:19.55 | hrw|work | hmm. can test it later... but CoreDump can test it sooner then I |
| 15:23.41 | CoreDump|home | actually i can't right now |
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| 15:28.33 | guylhem1 | I don't have enough disk sapce for a full oe but if you guys can prepare me a .tar.gz of the toolchain + the kernel used in 3.5.3 I'll see if I can fix the right key bug on collie |
| 15:28.52 | guylhem1 | (btw is SD working on 3.5.3 /collie ?) |
| 15:30.29 | alan_ | collie= opie, right ? |
| 15:30.53 | CoreDump|home | sd works fine |
| 15:30.55 | guylhem1 | no 5500 |
| 15:31.08 | alan_ | guylhem1: argh... |
| 15:32.52 | alan_ | stupid question : ipkgFind is only for familiar users ? |
| 15:37.53 | blk-majik | is it normal for opie to stop responding anytime all the memory is used? should a swapfile on the Sd help? |
| 15:44.11 | hrw | guylhem1: it can be done |
| 15:45.20 | XorA | guylhem1: toolchain for opie's is the 2.95.3 one from arm.linux.org.uk |
| 15:45.35 | hrw | XorA: or hh.org |
| 15:45.38 | XorA | guylhem1: I meant collies kernel not opies, I need sleep |
| 15:45.45 | hrw | ~zauruskernels |
| 15:45.46 | ibot | from memory, zauruskernels is By default Zaurus use 2.4.18 and you need GCC 2.95.3 to compile them - all is described in OE wiki: http://openembedded.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/ZaurusKernels There is also work on 2.6: http://openembedded.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/ZaurusKernels26 |
| 15:46.29 | hrw | toolchain: http://handhelds.org/download/projects/toolchain/archive/cross-2.95.3.tar.bz2 |
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| 15:47.51 | guylhem1 | hrw, XorA : got the toolchain already - fine |
| 15:48.11 | hrw | I'm packing kernel now |
| 15:48.12 | guylhem1 | now the kernel sources if possible... |
| 15:48.17 | guylhem1 | hrw - thanks |
| 15:48.35 | hrw | 140M to bzip |
| 15:48.46 | guylhem1 | for a 2.4 kernel ??? |
| 15:48.50 | hrw | yes |
| 15:48.53 | guylhem1 | !!! |
| 15:48.54 | cdbot | guylhem1: Don't know, don't care |
| 15:48.58 | hrw | -rw-r--r-- 1 hrw hrw 142530560 Apr 26 17:47 collie-kernel-3.5.3.tar |
| 15:49.05 | B0Ti | just had a nice OOPS in 2.6.11 w/ nfs. http://pastebin.ca/10370 |
| 15:49.18 | guylhem1 | why oh why ? made mrproper/clean ? |
| 15:49.33 | hrw | good idea - I just unpacked it |
| 15:50.11 | hrw | even after clean mrproper its 152M in files |
| 15:50.17 | hrw | -rw-r--r-- 1 hrw hrw 25824118 Apr 26 17:47 collie-kernel-3.5.3.tar.bz2 |
| 15:50.34 | guylhem1 | never mind it'll be fine. |
| 15:50.35 | hrw | ibot: 25824118 / 128000 |
| 15:50.36 | ibot | 201.750921875 |
| 15:51.52 | guylhem1 | thanks. Will keep you informed. While I'm at it is there any other serious bug with collie I should look for ? |
| 15:52.07 | hrw | on/off button problem |
| 15:52.26 | hrw | if you hold on/off for some long time machine will hang |
| 15:52.46 | hrw | maybe it is apm called twice or not - someone said that before |
| 15:53.30 | guylhem1 | IMHO that's holdkeys problem as well. Looks like someone tried to tweak the keyboard stuff and broke it |
| 15:53.42 | hrw | maybe |
| 15:53.53 | XorA | hrw: you should be able to call apm as many times as you like, the problem traditionally comes when two programs open /dev/apm_bios |
| 15:54.10 | XorA | hrw: this was fixed for collie I think |
| 15:56.23 | guylhem1 | hrw, can I lauch wget now ? |
| 15:56.43 | hrw | sure |
| 15:57.39 | offroadgeek | does anyone have oz running on their 1000? |
| 15:57.47 | hrw | offroadgeek: Bernardo |
| 15:58.28 | hrw | he is our 'akita' master |
| 15:58.46 | offroadgeek | is that the 'dog name' of the 1000? |
| 15:59.06 | hrw | yes |
| 15:59.06 | hrw | ~akita |
| 15:59.07 | ibot | methinks akita is the Sharp SL-C1000, or a dog |
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| 15:59.35 | offroadgeek | cool... that's one of my favorite kind of dogs |
| 16:00.02 | hrw | ;) |
| 16:00.19 | hrw | from animals I prefer cats |
| 16:00.41 | offroadgeek | I did as well, until I got a dog |
| 16:01.00 | offroadgeek | I just can't deal with the litter box anymore ;) |
| 16:01.38 | hrw | ;) |
| 16:07.18 | guylhem1 | hrw - could you prepare a patch from -021129 to -3.5.3 ? It'll be easier to spot the problematic changes if I can see the previous version that was working |
| 16:10.32 | ruied | should I format my sd card with ext2 or ext3 ? |
| 16:15.35 | hrw | re |
| 16:15.38 | hrw | machine hang.. |
| 16:15.55 | hrw | guylhem1: patch from sharp-release to oz-release? |
| 16:15.58 | hrw | ruied: ext2 |
| 16:16.33 | guylhem1 | no - oz 352 to 353 |
| 16:16.40 | guylhem1 | but I wont need it |
| 16:17.21 | hrw | between 352 and 353 there was very little work on 2.4.18 collie kernel |
| 16:18.05 | guylhem1 | Using 352 kernel I still get the right key bug |
| 16:18.19 | guylhem1 | so it doest come from the kernel |
| 16:20.39 | hrw | oz3.5.3 with 3.5.2 kernel? |
| 16:20.46 | guylhem1 | yes |
| 16:20.53 | guylhem1 | I like to try weird things |
| 16:21.37 | hrw | I was planning to test it |
| 16:22.09 | hrw | guylhem1: can you test libopiecore from http://home.hrw.one.pl/tmp/ and tell does it fix onoff problem? |
| 16:26.53 | blk-majik | anyone have problems /w fbvncserver? seems like /usr/share/fbvncserver has been named /usr/sharefbncserver =) messes up the install a bit |
| 16:29.54 | guylhem1 | hrw right and onoff or just onoff |
| 16:30.15 | hrw | onoff inside opie |
| 16:32.41 | ruied | hrw: I've already formated in ext3, is there any problem with ext3? |
| 16:33.31 | hrw | ruied: your card can die faster |
| 16:35.00 | ruied | ah, with ext3 it writes more ofen than with ext2... is that it? |
| 16:35.39 | hrw | yep |
| 16:35.52 | hrw | all journaled filesystems have more writes |
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| 16:36.30 | ruied | ok |
| 16:36.34 | ruied | tx |
| 16:39.40 | hrw | ok. got my collie - will look at rightkey in showkey |
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| 16:46.20 | lardman|v_busy | b0ti: you home? |
| 16:46.27 | lardman|v_busy | b0ti: tested the driver yet? |
| 16:46.39 | hrw | guylhem1: ping |
| 16:47.26 | hrw | press any key (program terminates after 10s of last keypress)... |
| 16:47.26 | hrw | keycode 38 press |
| 16:47.26 | hrw | keycode 38 release |
| 16:47.26 | hrw | keycode 38 press |
| 16:47.31 | hrw | guylhem1: then hang... |
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| 16:59.04 | that_weasel | anyone have any ideas why after flashing with OZ why it fails to boot |
| 16:59.44 | that_weasel | fails to boot = gets to the end of the boot process then goes to a blank screen or just a cursor |
| 16:59.48 | that_weasel | hi hrw |
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| 17:00.48 | B0Ti | lardman|v_busy: yeah, it's crap as expected ;) |
| 17:01.33 | hrw | that_weasel: send it to me - it will work ;) |
| 17:01.38 | that_weasel | :P |
| 17:02.03 | B0Ti | lardman|v_busy: the sl811_hcd module loads ok: |
| 17:02.06 | B0Ti | Apr 26 18:21:12 zaurus kernel: usbcore: registered new driver hub |
| 17:02.06 | B0Ti | Apr 26 18:21:15 zaurus kernel: sl811: driver sl811-hcd, 15 Dec 2004 |
| 17:02.07 | B0Ti | A |
| 17:02.19 | that_weasel | maybe I should go through the some of the system checks in the NAND flash menus and see if I get any errors |
| 17:02.40 | hrw | maybe |
| 17:03.24 | B0Ti | lardman|v_busy: but the format of the sl811_cs module is wrong: kernel: No module found in object |
| 17:03.42 | that_weasel | the really weird thing is that I can NAND flash the English translated Sharp ROM from trisoft.de and i pdaXrom with out problem... |
| 17:04.34 | hrw | could you flash opie-image and kernel from gpe dir (2.4.18)? |
| 17:04.42 | B0Ti | that_weasel: are you sure it's not a partition problem? I had a similar problem after I repartitioned with the cacko rom. |
| 17:05.03 | that_weasel | well thats what I thought... |
| 17:05.20 | that_weasel | but i NAND flashed the original Sharp ROM to it...and it runs fine... |
| 17:05.32 | that_weasel | then i try to flash OZ over it...and i get the same thing |
| 17:05.34 | B0Ti | lardman|v_busy: the driver needs some more fixing: # modprobe sl811_cs |
| 17:05.34 | B0Ti | Using /lib/modules/2.6.11/pcmcia/sl811_cs.ko |
| 17:05.34 | B0Ti | insmod: cannot insert `/lib/modules/2.6.11/pcmcia/sl811_cs.ko': Invalid module format (-1): Exec format error |
| 17:05.34 | B0Ti | modprobe: failed to load module sl811_cs |
| 17:05.54 | that_weasel | i suppose I can try resizing the partitions again manually with the pdaXrom tools |
| 17:06.15 | hrw | that_weasel: what Z? |
| 17:06.32 | B0Ti | that_weasel: I did it with the cacko rom, to resize it back |
| 17:06.38 | lardman|v_busy | B0Ti: hmm |
| 17:06.46 | that_weasel | 860 |
| 17:07.00 | B0Ti | that_weasel: I have a 860 also |
| 17:07.15 | lardman|v_busy | B0Ti: Perhaps there are some other defs/includes which have to be made in the Makefile |
| 17:07.29 | lardman|v_busy | B0Ti: to create a 2.6 kernel module |
| 17:07.49 | that_weasel | i was told the split is 53/68 by one person, and 58/63 by another...and yet another told me that root should be 63 or 64 |
| 17:08.01 | B0Ti | lardman|v_busy: I'll look at some other modules to see what they do. But not tonight cause I got to go drinking. |
| 17:08.12 | lardman|v_busy | B0Ti: :) have fun |
| 17:08.45 | hrw | root@c7x0:~# cat /proc/mtd |
| 17:08.46 | hrw | dev: size erasesize name |
| 17:08.46 | hrw | mtd0: 006d0000 00020000 "Boot PROM Filesystem" |
| 17:08.46 | hrw | mtd1: 00700000 00004000 "System Area" |
| 17:08.46 | hrw | mtd2: 03500000 00004000 "Root Filesystem" |
| 17:08.48 | hrw | mtd3: 04400000 00004000 "Home Filesystem" |
| 17:08.53 | hrw | that_weasel: its c760 |
| 17:10.04 | B0Ti | hrw: mine is exactly the same on c860 |
| 17:10.55 | B0Ti | what compiler is used in the OZ release for the kernel? I got some strange lockups with my kernel. |
| 17:11.07 | hrw | B0Ti: 3.4.3 |
| 17:11.25 | that_weasel | thats what I got too |
| 17:11.38 | B0Ti | mee to |
| 17:11.38 | B0Ti | mee too |
| 17:11.38 | that_weasel | cept the names are slightly different |
| 17:11.49 | that_weasel | Filesystem, smf, root, and home |
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| 17:11.59 | hrw | that_weasel: you have 2.4? |
| 17:12.21 | that_weasel | well, i'm usign the command prompt from the pdaXrom installer to look at it right now |
| 17:12.28 | hrw | so 2.4 |
| 17:12.28 | that_weasel | yea, thats 2.4 |
| 17:14.54 | lardman|v_busy | B0Ti: looking in the build dir for my 2.6.11 kernel (in linux-openzaurus-2.6.11-r16/linux-2.6.11/drivers/serial |
| 17:14.54 | lardman|v_busy | ) |
| 17:15.29 | lardman|v_busy | B0Ti: I see that there are for example, serial_cs.o, and serial_cs.ko which are different sizes |
| 17:16.27 | lardman|v_busy | B0Ti: not to mention a serial_cs.mod.o, which seems to have been generated from a c file which was created today |
| 17:17.01 | B0Ti | lardman|v_busy: I just renamed the .o to .ko, so now wonder ;) |
| 17:17.11 | B0Ti | s/now/no |
| 17:17.12 | hrw | thats why it wont work |
| 17:17.28 | lardman|v_busy | B0Ti: looks like there are some filename.mod.c files which create the module headers or something like that |
| 17:17.30 | B0Ti | how do we get a .ko? |
| 17:19.48 | that_weasel | *sigh* |
| 17:19.49 | lardman|v_busy | B0Ti: http://students.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/Zaurus/ko_stuff/ |
| 17:19.53 | that_weasel | this is so depressing... |
| 17:20.06 | lardman|v_busy | B0Ti: the .mod.c file looks fairly generic - very short |
| 17:20.29 | that_weasel | Sharp ROM sucks.....pdaXrom is cool, but not productive....OZ has finally gotten to a level I think i like, and I can't get it to work |
| 17:20.42 | lardman|v_busy | B0Ti: from the file sizes, I'd guess that the .ko file is just the plain .o plus this mod.o merged |
| 17:21.32 | lardman|v_busy | that_weasel: what we need is for people who think stuf is cool about pdaXrom to port that cool stuff over to GPE |
| 17:22.01 | hrw | that_weasel: pdaxrom people have some tweaks which can be nice in oz |
| 17:22.03 | that_weasel | i'll be compiling/porting lots of stuff, once I get OZ installed |
| 17:22.13 | B0Ti | that_weasel: why don't you try a kernel without a boot splash screen to see what's going on? |
| 17:22.13 | hrw | but they refuse to work with us |
| 17:22.29 | that_weasel | hrw: they are falling behind anyway |
| 17:22.48 | hrw | that_weasel: yes - but look how many users they have.. |
| 17:23.02 | hrw | they even have some devels which work on packages.. |
| 17:23.19 | that_weasel | true, i could try the bootstrap image |
| 17:23.47 | that_weasel | not a lot based on the community interaction |
| 17:24.02 | that_weasel | but it is really cool running FVWM on my Zaurus |
| 17:24.15 | JohnAK | I like GPE :) I just got my HP Jornada working with a lot of hacking to the familiar 0.8.2 image |
| 17:24.29 | hrw | hmm.. one day I will look at gpe on my c760 |
| 17:24.43 | B0Ti | that_weasel: or just replace the zImage and install that with opie. |
| 17:25.12 | lardman|v_busy | B0Ti: http://students.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/Zaurus/ko_stuff/sl811_cs.mod.c |
| 17:25.17 | lardman|v_busy | as a guess |
| 17:25.51 | that_weasel | B0Ti: oh...you mean use the bootstrap zImage with the opie root fs? |
| 17:26.11 | B0Ti | last time I tried gpe, it was horribly flashing, maybe the x server wasn't working well |
| 17:26.14 | hrw | that_weasel: try gpe zImage and opie rootfs |
| 17:27.14 | B0Ti | that_weasel: maybe, or a custom kernel that doesn't have a splash screen |
| 17:27.48 | that_weasel | hmmm...i don't have a card reader with me...i'll have to see if I can use my digital camera to copy the files to sd, or setup syncing on my windows desktop (ick) |
| 17:27.56 | B0Ti | lardman|v_busy: get a 404 |
| 17:28.30 | lardman|v_busy | B0Ti: my fault, try now |
| 17:31.02 | B0Ti | lardman|v_busy: and just link to to into a .ko? I'll try when I can. |
| 17:31.48 | lardman|v_busy | B0Ti: Yep, that was my thought |
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| 17:34.54 | B0Ti | lardman|v_busy: did you compile a 2.6 kernel? |
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| 17:37.10 | lardman|v_busy | B0Ti: Yep, gpe-image is still coming along... |
| 17:39.20 | blk-majik | anyone try the gentoo zaurus port yet? |
| 17:39.53 | that_weasel | gentoo has a arm26 port? |
| 17:40.15 | hrw | blk-majik: what for? it was dead since 2years ago (iirc) |
| 17:41.05 | blk-majik | i noticed. and thats too bad. just wonder how 'complete' it was (or wasnt) |
| 17:41.14 | that_weasel | thats sucks...they are really good with portage |
| 17:41.26 | B0Ti | need to go. cu guys. |
| 17:41.30 | blk-majik | might be a bit on the heavy side for a little pda |
| 17:41.43 | that_weasel | well for starts it going to be a 2 year old kernel |
| 17:41.58 | that_weasel | B0Ti: later |
| 17:41.58 | hrw | portage... |
| 17:41.58 | guylhem1 | hrw - back |
| 17:42.02 | hrw | try bitbake |
| 17:42.11 | guylhem1 | did you try showkeys in console or in opie ? |
| 17:42.22 | that_weasel | hrw: i plan on it, when i get get a successful flash of OZ... ;) |
| 17:42.23 | hrw | guylhem1: via usb connection |
| 17:42.32 | guylhem1 | was opie opened ? |
| 17:42.35 | hrw | guylhem1: yes |
| 17:42.36 | guylhem1 | try to stop it |
| 17:42.38 | hrw | ok |
| 17:43.20 | blk-majik | anyone have any luck getting kb/mouse to work on fbvncserver? |
| 17:44.12 | hrw | guylhem1: logged into collie console, started showkey |
| 17:44.12 | lardman|v_busy | BOTi: Have a look at this: http://linuxdevices.com/articles/AT4389927951.html |
| 17:44.23 | hrw | guylhem1: press/release right key was the same |
| 17:44.24 | lardman|v_busy | Oops, he's gone, missed that |
| 17:44.42 | hrw | guylhem1: press and hold = key 38 pressed and hang |
| 17:44.55 | guylhem1 | even in console ? So opie is not responsible |
| 17:45.05 | hrw | guylhem1: it looks like |
| 17:45.13 | that_weasel | ok, trying the gpe initrd with the opie root fs gives me a warning about using the 2.4 kernel when its expecting the 2.6 |
| 17:45.21 | guylhem1 | since the same bug happends with 352 kernel running looks like a script is at fault |
| 17:45.28 | guylhem1 | I fail to understand how/why |
| 17:46.15 | that_weasel | the gpe ROM is still 2.4 based? |
| 17:46.29 | guylhem1 | looks a lot like a kernel problem. Can you start with init=/bin/bash |
| 17:47.31 | hrw | that_weasel: yes |
| 17:47.42 | that_weasel | ok, thats not going to work then... |
| 17:47.51 | hrw | guylhem1: will have to rebuild kernel for it so not now |
| 17:48.15 | that_weasel | i'm not going to have any devices...unless there are a handful created early on in the boot process before udev starts |
| 17:49.15 | that_weasel | oddly enough the gpe initrd did seem to make it farther along with the opie root fs than with the gpe root fs |
| 17:50.13 | hrw | http://openzaurus.org/wordpress/development/building-353/ |
| 17:51.16 | hrw | what do you think about it? especially lardman/b0ti |
| 17:55.15 | lardman|v_busy | hrw: give me a min, I'm just having a look |
| 17:55.30 | hrw | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:55.44 | ruied | I have a sharp 5500 with OZ 3.5.3 and zImage 64-0 and a SD card with 128Mb (ext2). Why, when I install any package from the opie package manager it reports an error linking the files ??? |
| 17:55.58 | lardman|v_busy | hrw: seems fine |
| 17:56.08 | ruied | I install the package to SD card... |
| 17:56.12 | hrw | ok |
| 17:56.37 | hrw | dont know |
| 17:57.26 | hrw | ruied: on collie/opie I just move /opt/ to card |
| 17:57.32 | alan_ | lardman|v_busy: did you have time to check the mandrake usb networking pb ? |
| 17:57.41 | ruied | example: I've installed xmms-embebed, now I have the icon but it doesn't work out, because the linking errors at the end of the instalation... |
| 17:57.48 | hrw | alan_: pb == Phil Brundell for me ;) |
| 17:57.48 | ruied | hrw: going to check |
| 17:58.28 | ruied | hrw: move or copy? each time I install a package or just one time? |
| 17:59.06 | hrw | ruied: cd /;mv /opt /media/card/opt;ln -sf /media/card/opt/ /opt |
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| 17:59.44 | dballester | cu |
| 18:01.56 | ruied | hrw: can you explain me why do we need to do that? just to understand how OS is working and what exactly am I tweaking... tx |
| 18:02.26 | hrw | ruied: opie keeps all stuff in /opt/ so it takes most space |
| 18:02.44 | hrw | ruied: moving it outside of / frees flash |
| 18:03.47 | ruied | ah, the problem is with the lack of space and not directly with opt... |
| 18:04.44 | ruied | tx |
| 18:04.53 | ruied | going to take a try now |
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| 18:14.55 | ruied | hrw: when I install a package I should choose SD ? (Ive choosed SD and it reports the same linking error) |
| 18:16.26 | hrw | ruied: when you move /opt/ then you install all on root |
| 18:16.35 | hrw | so it is best to do after flashing |
| 18:16.48 | ruied | ah, ok |
| 18:45.41 | Cwiiis | hrw: Ah, the reason suspending got worse with collie - atd, I think, seems to open apm_bios too - So it didn't get worse, just an extra app was opening it (and only 1 app at a time, or no resume :)) |
| 18:47.37 | that_weasel | hrw: well, the boot strap ROM worked |
| 18:47.49 | hrw | that_weasel: hmm.. |
| 18:48.16 | hrw | that_weasel: rm -rf /home/root/;mkdir -p /home/root;ipkg install opie-taskbar;/etc/init.d/opie start |
| 18:48.16 | that_weasel | BTW, the bootstrap image also has the bootsplash loader |
| 18:48.23 | hrw | thats kernel part |
| 18:49.31 | that_weasel | crap, the screen isn't srolling |
| 18:49.34 | that_weasel | scrolling |
| 18:53.21 | ruied | ah, okrrrtg |
| 18:53.37 | ruied | ups, sorry |
| 18:53.49 | that_weasel | opie-taskbar package not found |
| 18:54.02 | that_weasel | someone just suggested that its the calibration bug... |
| 18:54.23 | that_weasel | gonna try to remove the cards, and then tap the center and corners of the screen to see if that works |
| 18:56.24 | hrw | bye |
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| 19:08.41 | that_weasel | anyone know what order the cross hairs show up in for the screen calibration program? |
| 19:09.00 | sonix` | bottom left |
| 19:09.03 | sonix` | bottom right |
| 19:09.04 | sonix` | top left |
| 19:09.06 | sonix` | err |
| 19:09.07 | sonix` | top right |
| 19:09.08 | sonix` | top left |
| 19:09.50 | that_weasel | thanks |
| 19:10.22 | that_weasel | ok, crap that didn't work |
| 19:10.41 | that_weasel | maybe if i manually create the file |
| 19:10.47 | spizkapa | dude, that's not right, it's TR, TL, BL, BR, C |
| 19:11.02 | spizkapa | at least it is like that in the screen setup app in gpe |
| 19:11.03 | that_weasel | doh! |
| 19:11.28 | tanq_ | the only reason i want gpe is to use mozilla |
| 19:11.33 | tanq_ | heh.. |
| 19:12.05 | spizkapa | that_weasel: hang on, I'll check again just in case |
| 19:12.22 | that_weasel | spizkapa: care to cat your caligration file so i can try to make it manually |
| 19:13.16 | spizkapa | that_weasel: sorry, I got it wrong last time, it is TL, TR, BR, BL, C |
| 19:13.20 | spizkapa | which file is that? |
| 19:13.53 | spizkapa | I've just refashed so I have no usb connection right now, you'll have to give me a sec |
| 19:14.13 | spizkapa | s/refashed/reflashed |
| 19:14.57 | that_weasel | spizkapa: not sure, its [something]cal and it only like 2 short lines |
| 19:15.11 | spizkapa | I'll have a look |
| 19:16.24 | that_weasel | thanks! |
| 19:19.01 | spizkapa | that_weasel: found it, pointercal, right? |
| 19:19.03 | spizkapa | in /etc |
| 19:19.19 | that_weasel | sounds right |
| 19:19.39 | spizkapa | so, here it is: -20757 337 20816186 255 15146 722518 65536 |
| 19:19.50 | spizkapa | just the one line |
| 19:21.01 | that_weasel | spizkapa: thanks! |
| 19:21.16 | spizkapa | that_weasel: no problem, glad to help |
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| 19:31.28 | subdue | is there a reason to use gpe vs opie other than interface? |
| 19:32.15 | lardman | and now I'll answer ;) |
| 19:32.25 | lardman | gpe is X based, opie is based on Qtopia |
| 19:32.51 | lardman | You can therefore use X apps without too many troubles on GPE |
| 19:33.03 | lardman | Opie requires some more serious porting effort |
| 19:33.21 | lardman | However Opie is less memory hungry (IMO) |
| 19:33.44 | subdue | ah. that makes it tough. is there separate feeds? |
| 19:33.50 | subdue | so I can browse the ports? |
| 19:34.02 | subdue | maybe that'll help me decide |
| 19:34.09 | lardman | sort of - openzaurus is the base distro, GPE & Opie are seperate GUIS |
| 19:34.10 | tanq_ | how come opera and mini-mo aren't in the feeds |
| 19:34.19 | lardman | opera is not OS |
| 19:34.28 | lardman | minimo is in the GPE feed iirc |
| 19:34.39 | lardman | subdue: or do you want the URL? |
| 19:34.44 | subdue | sure |
| 19:34.51 | lardman | tanq_: perhaps the x11 feed |
| 19:35.09 | lardman | subdue: http://www.openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.3/feed/ |
| 19:35.11 | subdue | perhaps the packages that are available on one or the other side will help me decide |
| 19:35.41 | lardman | subdue: many of the packages are shared, but some are opie only (opie feed) and some are gpe/x11 (gpe/x11) |
| 19:36.07 | lardman | subdue: what device do you have? |
| 19:36.19 | subdue | 6000L |
| 19:37.16 | subdue | the sharp rom is great, except 1) there are a few apps it doesnt have the OE has, and 2) it'd be nice to prune out a few apps |
| 19:37.21 | guylhem1 | wht's the name of the intl keyboard applet in opie (EN/DE/CZ...) ? I'd like to remove it |
| 19:37.50 | subdue | guylhem1: read the info on your version of the rom, looks promising |
| 19:38.09 | CoreDump|home | i believe that would be opie-multikey or something like that |
| 19:38.37 | subdue | one day I'm hoping gpsdrive, kstars will run on my Z |
| 19:38.41 | guylhem1 | subdue, lot of work left. I'd like something for my own use. ATM I'd go with sharp stuff, with a strong intention to move ASAP :-) |
| 19:38.53 | guylhem1 | CoreDump|home: won't that remove the normal keyboard applet |
| 19:39.04 | CoreDump|home | umm |
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| 19:39.25 | CoreDump|home | opie-multikeyapplet |
| 19:39.26 | subdue | guylhem1: tried using your ftp site, but can't seem to get in :) |
| 19:39.49 | guylhem1 | I dont have ftp -= just http |
| 19:40.29 | subdue | hmm.... maybe it was the other person's ftp info that I was dealing with |
| 19:40.42 | subdue | ah right, it was the other persons stuff |
| 19:40.50 | subdue | yours has 5 files or something |
| 19:40.58 | guylhem1 | subdue - right not a whole lot of stuff |
| 19:41.34 | subdue | guylhem1: it has potential, how stable would you say it is? |
| 19:42.10 | guylhem1 | depend : for cmd line, rock solid :-) |
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| 19:42.25 | guylhem1 | for everything else... not ready yet |
| 19:42.53 | subdue | darn! |
| 19:43.50 | subdue | sigh. opie seems to have kstars |
| 19:44.28 | subdue | guylhem1: have you managed to get most of the apps loaded on the sd instead of the main memory? |
| 19:46.37 | guylhem1 | yes - no problem at all |
| 19:46.55 | guylhem1 | follow instructions given to gab74 on oefs |
| 19:46.57 | subdue | hmm.... that's cool. having irssi and perl loaded on the sd is nice |
| 19:47.33 | subdue | ok, I'll do a search on that, thanks |
| 19:47.48 | guylhem1 | you're welcome |
| 19:48.11 | guylhem1 | I hope I can do something better soon |
| 19:49.22 | subdue | I like the sharp rom, just would like 1) some unused apps to be not there and 2) want to install things on the sd instead of the main if possible 3) of course the speed increase is a nice feature |
| 19:49.52 | subdue | lardman: hard decision. it does seem that both opie and gpe have their own strengths |
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| 19:51.10 | lardman | subdue: true. What do you want to use your Z for? |
| 19:51.32 | subdue | replacement of a laptop |
| 19:51.56 | subdue | usually with the idea of to be used when traveling |
| 19:52.14 | subdue | having kstars is for when I'm out at night and want to learn the stars |
| 19:52.25 | lardman | subdue: I'd try GPE then - there are no word processor/decent spreadsheet apps for Opie unfortunately |
| 19:52.28 | subdue | gpsdrive seems to be the most promising for gps stuff (mapwise, etc) |
| 19:52.40 | subdue | textmaker doesnt work? |
| 19:52.48 | lardman | I hear that kstars is a bit memory hungry... |
| 19:53.02 | lardman | Yes textmaker does, but you have to pay for that ;) |
| 19:53.05 | subdue | darn. of all the star stuff, that one seemed to be nicest |
| 19:53.20 | lardman | It might work, merely something I read years ago |
| 19:53.41 | lardman | back when the devnet was up and running :) |
| 19:53.43 | subdue | the price wasn't so bad, it was on special |
| 19:53.55 | subdue | if it was $50, then forget it of course |
| 19:54.10 | subdue | yeah, kstars needed to be shrunk |
| 19:54.12 | lardman | don't get me wrong, you will certainly be able to use it |
| 19:54.27 | lardman | try kstars, I may have completely the wrong prog in mind |
| 19:54.40 | subdue | tried some of the other star programs, and they were yucky |
| 19:55.06 | subdue | one was like, super slow (took about 20 secs to update any screen) |
| 19:55.13 | lardman | Well it won;t hurt to try one then the other (Opie/GPE) - have a go for a week and see how they grab you |
| 19:55.17 | guylhem1 | which video player is best on oz for divx? |
| 19:55.27 | subdue | I'd think mplayer |
| 19:55.52 | subdue | of course, that's partly based on the idea that DrZ and tkc cost $ |
| 19:56.05 | subdue | I have read the DrZ works decently on the 6000 |
| 19:56.17 | lardman | I'd also say mplayer |
| 19:56.28 | lardman | but I don't have much experience of videos on my Z |
| 19:56.59 | subdue | guylhem1: do you have a version that is exactly like the sharp rom but with a few pieces torn out? |
| 19:57.10 | subdue | that is finished? |
| 19:59.39 | subdue | lardman: I've been struggling with this for months now, trying to decide when is a good time to try something other than the sharp rom |
| 19:59.49 | subdue | since around november :) |
| 20:00.40 | subdue | oh, btw. can I still sync with my palm desktop? |
| 20:00.45 | guylhem1 | I have drz but for vga (c700) - I no longer use it a lot. I'd trade it for a qvga version |
| 20:01.02 | lardman | subdue: I'm heading off, I don't have much knowledge of the 6000, but I do think that OZ is the way to go |
| 20:01.20 | subdue | ok, thanks for the help lardman |
| 20:01.28 | lardman | subdue: Good luck, give me a shout on ZUG, or here tomorrow idf you want some more help/etc. |
| 20:01.35 | lardman | night all |
| 20:01.39 | subdue | k |
| 20:01.43 | guylhem1 | subdue: not yet |
| 20:01.53 | subdue | guylhem1: I hear that c700 stuff works fine on the 6000 |
| 20:01.55 | guylhem1 | subdue: got lot of work |
| 20:02.12 | subdue | maybe they'll let you change to something more 6000 specific? |
| 20:02.12 | guylhem1 | subdue: that why I purchased that drz |
| 20:02.17 | subdue | ah |
| 20:02.39 | guylhem1 | I need another drz for a 5500 I'm preparing (present) |
| 20:04.35 | subdue | hmm... maybe I should just run a vnc client to get kstars going :) |
| 20:05.42 | that_weasel | drz? |
| 20:06.07 | subdue | drZ == video player |
| 20:06.14 | that_weasel | ahhh... |
| 20:07.16 | that_weasel | ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 20:08.40 | JohnAK | is your touchscreen broke? |
| 20:08.44 | that_weasel | no |
| 20:08.54 | that_weasel | i can get Sharp ROM and pdaXrom working |
| 20:09.19 | JohnAK | So its just OZ with no pen input? |
| 20:09.36 | that_weasel | i thought it was the partitions at first so I NAND Flash Restored the Sharp ROM, then flashed with OZ |
| 20:10.13 | that_weasel | JohnAK: no...it gets the the final boot script (S99finish) then the screen goes blank with a steady cursor in the top left |
| 20:10.19 | that_weasel | and just sits there.... |
| 20:10.21 | JohnAK | GPE or OPIE? |
| 20:10.32 | that_weasel | opie |
| 20:10.43 | that_weasel | but GPE doesnt work either |
| 20:11.00 | that_weasel | gets to the OpenZaurus logo with a flashing cursor and stops there. |
| 20:11.08 | that_weasel | the bootstrap ROM works |
| 20:11.19 | spizkapa | have you checked the md5? |
| 20:11.27 | that_weasel | no |
| 20:11.29 | that_weasel | :D |
| 20:11.35 | spizkapa | maybe it's a corrupted image you're fladhing with |
| 20:11.47 | that_weasel | but i've downloaded it about 15 times over the last 3-4 days |
| 20:11.51 | that_weasel | will check it |
| 20:12.31 | JohnAK | doesnt mean it's a good image I'm afraid, I constantly get bad downloads from the openzaurus webserver. |
| 20:12.54 | guylhem1 | md5sum is your frined |
| 20:14.04 | subdue | downloading the same file 15 times does not equate to good troubleshooting :) |
| 20:14.47 | subdue | definitely md5 would be better troubleshooting |
| 20:15.40 | spizkapa | folks, can someone lend a hand getting the usbnet connection up? |
| 20:16.02 | spizkapa | I'm running OZ3.5.3 and gpe, just reflashed |
| 20:16.11 | subdue | http://openzaurus.org/wordpress/howto/usb-networking/ |
| 20:16.21 | subdue | (I've never tried OZ, but saw that link there) |
| 20:16.39 | spizkapa | been there, no mention of what to do when usb0 doesn't appear in ifconfig |
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| 20:31.29 | that_weasel | ok, so i downloaded the gpe bins and checked the md5's which were all ok |
| 20:31.53 | that_weasel | now when i try to flash I get this you have 2.4 kernel i want 2.6....sleeping for 1 minutes message |
| 20:31.56 | that_weasel | grrr |
| 20:33.14 | that_weasel | 860 = boxer right? |
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| 20:56.44 | Radiance | guys, is there ANY way to force the kernel (which has support for usb sticks) to interface with a stick which is detected and given an address but not "claimed by any driver" ? |
| 21:21.56 | subdue | I wonder if opera8 is avail yet? |
| 21:24.46 | JohnAK | for arm? |
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| 21:35.30 | guylhem1 | where is a libstdc++.so.6 for 3.5.2 ? |
| 21:39.27 | subdue | yes |
| 21:50.06 | ljp | opera doesnt publish arm builds for individual download |
| 22:07.16 | alan_ | guys : I have followed this topic ( http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=12205 )and i understand your frustration as well as the new users' one. I think openzaurus is really a great rom, but it lacks docs. For exemple, the instruction file availiable in the download area (the one called INSTALL) really sucks !! |
| 22:07.48 | alan_ | i've wwriten a little other one, a bi more complete, but it needs checking |
| 22:07.57 | alan_ | anyone interested ? |
| 22:10.42 | ljp | how much you gonna pay me to be interested? ;) |
| 22:12.32 | alan_ | ljp : i guess noone here is interested by the document itself, but by checking my file. It certainly needs correction before i submit it to oz webmasters, and my english is limitted |
| 22:13.31 | subdue | ljp: oh well. I was just wondering, since there's a 7.55 version of opera avail |
| 22:14.13 | ljp | heheh.. i was joking a bit |
| 22:14.33 | alan_ | ljp: i know, but you remark was good |
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| 22:15.47 | alan_ | any real english speaker in here ? |
| 22:15.55 | overflowUK | yer me |
| 22:16.02 | overflowUK | whazup |
| 22:16.09 | alan_ | overflowUK: you come right on time |
| 22:16.10 | subdue | lots. what do you need? |
| 22:16.31 | overflowUK | maybe u help me bak go on.. |
| 22:17.06 | overflowUK | anyone got fix for wellenreiter yet |
| 22:17.06 | alan_ | i am looking for someone to check a instruction file for flashing OZ, could you please do that for me |
| 22:17.28 | alan_ | overflowUK: i don't have a wifi card... sorry |
| 22:17.44 | overflowUK | ok whats wrong with the instructions |
| 22:18.21 | alan_ | can i send you a file i'd like to submit to oz webmaster ? the INSTALL one sucks for new users... |
| 22:19.03 | overflowUK | ah i would send this to mickyl maybe |
| 22:19.13 | overflowUK | he would take a look |
| 22:19.20 | alan_ | cool, thanks |
| 22:19.44 | overflowUK | anyone running konquerer on 3.5.3 |
| 22:20.20 | ljp | i am english speaker |
| 22:20.55 | alan_ | ljp: do you want my file too ? |
| 22:21.22 | ljp | on the net somewhere? |
| 22:21.39 | alan_ | well... here... |
| 22:21.53 | alan_ | ^^ |
| 22:23.07 | subdue | just post the link for everyone to look at |
| 22:23.34 | alan_ | subdue: i don't have any webserver... |
| 22:23.39 | alan_ | wait a minute... |
| 22:25.03 | tanq_ | yeah what's wrong with wellreiter? |
| 22:25.16 | tanq_ | i got some error about mismatched versions or something when i try to run it |
| 22:28.06 | subdue | anyone run petite peinture? |
| 22:28.36 | ljp | post on oesf.org |
| 22:32.32 | JohnAK | Grrr. |
| 22:32.48 | JohnAK | Stupid GPE app's dont fit my screen. Lame. |
| 22:33.53 | ljp | use opie |
| 22:34.10 | JohnAK | i'm trying to figure out what ipkg's to install for it now. |
| 22:34.52 | Cwiiis | JohnAK: What GPE apps don't fit your screen? |
| 22:35.09 | JohnAK | sofar GAIM and gpsdrive |
| 22:35.35 | tanq_ | is there a way to change the screen resolution |
| 22:35.43 | JohnAK | I'm 640x240 |
| 22:35.54 | tanq_ | with what z |
| 22:36.06 | Cwiiis | ah, gtk apps rather than gpe apps... But I think smallscreen interfaces are on various people's TODO lists (Gaim is on mine, at least) |
| 22:36.11 | tanq_ | yeah but i'm looking to use something other than default |
| 22:36.18 | JohnAK | Not a Z, Jornada but I'm running a hacked up OZ |
| 22:37.58 | JohnAK | let'se see how smart ipkg is :) |
| 22:39.29 | tanq_ | man.. i know you can zoom out to some crazy resolution with the debian rom.. |
| 22:40.00 | JohnAK | I really like my jornada, I've spent countless hours working to get linux on it instead of wince. |
| 22:40.13 | JohnAK | It's got PCMCIA and CF, 640x240, nice big keyboard and a nice bright screen |
| 22:40.14 | tanq_ | i always thought it would be fun to dual boot |
| 22:44.06 | JohnAK | it's not really all that fun. |
| 22:44.20 | JohnAK | Atleast with a device that runs Handheld PC 2000 |
| 22:44.42 | JohnAK | I have to use a app to launch linux, and when inside linux I cant sleep my device as the resume jumps to the CE startup area. |
| 22:44.52 | tanq_ | is there an installer that will let you build a new rom from 2 different roms.. |
| 22:45.08 | alan_ | oki, find an alternative INSTALL description file here, and don't hesitate to correct/edit it before submitting it to OZ team |
| 22:45.09 | alan_ | http://lesinfox.dyndns.org/upload/instruction.txt |
| 22:46.46 | tanq_ | does he not know there are instrcutions and a forum? |
| 22:47.05 | JohnAK | Anyone know where libqte2 is in the feed? |
| 22:47.19 | tanq_ | i browse through the package manager.. |
| 22:47.27 | tanq_ | then once i find the name i ipkg install |
| 22:49.33 | JohnAK | the GPE packagemanager doesnt work |
| 22:49.39 | JohnAK | I'm not sure if I even have it installed |
| 22:49.49 | tanq_ | oh yeah i forgot you can't update the feeds |
| 22:50.04 | tanq_ | check the feeds directory |
| 22:51.07 | JohnAK | It'll be nice when OZ and Familiar are fully combined. |
| 22:51.14 | JohnAK | Atleast it will be for me :) |
| 22:53.02 | tanq_ | how is familiary |
| 22:53.06 | tanq_ | s/y// |
| 23:01.49 | JohnAK | its built with the same tools as openzaurus now so its very similar. |
| 23:07.37 | subdue | well now, someone's selling their 6000 for 300 so far on ebay |
| 23:09.19 | subdue | alas, no sleds |
| 23:13.16 | guylhem1 | subdue 3-0-0 ? That's a steal |
| 23:13.21 | guylhem1 | great bargain |
| 23:17.07 | JohnAK | anyone know what /dev device opie is looking for touch screen input on? |
| 23:18.19 | Noodles | Depends on tslib's config. |
| 23:18.52 | Noodles | Try looking at /etc/profile.d/tslib or /etc/tslib.conf (both from memory, but something called tslib* under etc anyway) |
| 23:19.03 | subdue | guylhem1: yeah, it's 3 hrs left |
| 23:19.14 | subdue | guylhem1: I'm tempted, but I'd rather save it for a sled |
| 23:19.34 | guylhem1 | already got a 6000 ? |
| 23:19.41 | subdue | yes |
| 23:19.41 | JohnAK | Yes! Thank you. |
| 23:19.48 | guylhem1 | ok :-) |
| 23:20.59 | JohnAK | What about keyboard input? |
| 23:21.27 | guylhem1 | axim bluetooth kb (got a 6000W :-)))) |
| 23:21.35 | subdue | what??? |
| 23:21.45 | guylhem1 | axim bluetooth keyboard |
| 23:21.56 | subdue | the what is b/c I'm surprised you have a W |
| 23:22.05 | JohnAK | Err no that's not what I mean, Where does OPIE look for keyboard input :) |
| 23:22.10 | subdue | since it never made it to the usa |
| 23:22.37 | Noodles | libqte2 handles keyboard stuff I think, talking to the kernel about the console. I haven't fully worked it out though (keyboard mapping is my main issue left with the C3000). |
| 23:22.46 | guylhem1 | I ain't in the US - I'm from France. Got myself a 6000L while visiting friends in San diego - loved it so much I had to purchase a 6000W |
| 23:23.14 | subdue | ah |
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| 23:31.26 | JohnAK | sweeeeeeeet |
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| 23:38.15 | JohnAK | I now have OPIE! |
| 23:39.44 | subdue | we're still waiting for the instructions you wanted us to look at |
| 23:39.52 | subdue | unless it doesnt matter anymore |
| 23:41.00 | guylhem1 | me? |
| 23:42.45 | subdue | nah, the other guy |
| 23:42.54 | subdue | err... person who wanted us to look at his doc |
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| 23:48.27 | SufferAll | if anyone looking for a yopy 3700? |
| 23:48.49 | SufferAll | http://tinyurl.com/be3jy |
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| 23:50.42 | aquarius | Can I change the console font in OZ3.5.3 to be larger? |
| 23:50.57 | aquarius | (the font on the Linux console, that is, not in a terminal window in GPE/Opie) |
| 23:53.01 | JohnAK | aww crud |
| 23:53.06 | JohnAK | I ran out of power :( |
| 23:53.47 | aquarius | ? |