| 00:02.39 | JohnAK | open up your terminal and do a cardctl ident |
| 00:03.28 | mtnbkr | booting it now... |
| 00:06.13 | mtnbkr | socket 0: product_info: "NETGEAR", "MA701 Wireless CF Card", "" manfid: 0xd601, 0x0002 |
| 00:07.10 | mtnbkr | function: 6 (network) |
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| 00:15.55 | mtnbkr | JohnAK: you still here? |
| 00:16.02 | JohnAK | Yup |
| 00:16.06 | JohnAK | Sorry |
| 00:16.13 | JohnAK | OK it should be recognised |
| 00:16.26 | JohnAK | whats a iwconfig show? does it see wlan0? |
| 00:18.30 | mtnbkr | lo, irda0, ipsec0-3, sit0, irda1 each on a line by itself with "No wireless extensions" |
| 00:18.35 | mtnbkr | no wlan0 |
| 00:20.55 | JohnAK | hmm |
| 00:20.59 | JohnAK | try a ifconfig wlan0 up |
| 00:21.09 | JohnAK | see if that'll plumb the interface |
| 00:21.34 | mtnbkr | no such device |
| 00:21.54 | JohnAK | hmm |
| 00:21.57 | JohnAK | how about a lsmod |
| 00:21.59 | JohnAK | is hostap loaded? |
| 00:22.28 | mtnbkr | looks like it is not |
| 00:22.58 | mtnbkr | modprobe hostap gives several "unresolved symbols" erros and fails toload |
| 00:23.15 | JohnAK | Do you have the right kernel? |
| 00:23.43 | JohnAK | does a uname -a match the kernel modules in /lib/modules ? |
| 00:23.56 | mtnbkr | hmmm... On boot I recall en error where the boot process pauses for 1 minute with red *****'s and a comment about how it expected kernel version x, but found kernel verion Y" seems like this is the prob |
| 00:24.26 | mtnbkr | uname -a shows 2.4.18-rmk7-pxa3-embedix |
| 00:24.33 | JohnAK | yup download a new kernel, verify the md5sum and filename and re-flash |
| 00:24.43 | mtnbkr | and that is what is in /lib/modules |
| 00:24.50 | JohnAK | you just need to flash the kernel, not the initrd |
| 00:25.51 | mtnbkr | OK. how? nad second question why? :) Or better question why did the standard process of flashing give me a 99% working Z? :) |
| 00:28.36 | JohnAK | something must have been wrong with the kernel, bad download or bad filename so it kept your old kernel and flashed the initrd |
| 00:28.55 | JohnAK | What model do you have? |
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| 00:29.29 | mtnbkr | md5sums compared OK... It is a SL5500 |
| 00:29.54 | mtnbkr | lemme reflash to be sure.. |
| 00:31.52 | mtnbkr | heh checking the CF card it looks like there is no zImage... Sigh... |
| 00:32.14 | mtnbkr | sorry to WASTE your time... copying he kernel and flashing now.... brb |
| 00:34.11 | mtnbkr | I prolly did a copy zIMage-collie.....bin . when I "thought I was in the /mnt/cf dir on my computer. :) |
| 00:34.34 | JohnAK | no its OK |
| 00:34.52 | JohnAK | I multi-task well |
| 00:35.15 | JohnAK | I'm attempting to bitbake some software for my jornada so my attention is slightly divided. |
| 00:35.50 | mtnbkr | hehe do those still exist? :) |
| 00:36.34 | JohnAK | I just got a Jornada 720, I'm liking it. |
| 00:36.45 | JohnAK | Doesnt work as well under linux as the 5500 |
| 00:37.05 | JohnAK | and the odd screen size is driving me a bit batty when it comes to some OPIE stuff |
| 00:39.00 | mtnbkr | OK... booting now. |
| 00:42.23 | mtnbkr | HEH! plug card in, BOOM, obtains addresss. easiest wifi config'ing on my zaurus EVAR. (now it is time to rename my access point and re-enable wep though) |
| 00:42.32 | mtnbkr | JohnAK: THANK YOU. |
| 00:42.46 | JohnAK | :) No problem, Glad I could help. |
| 00:43.25 | mtnbkr | Just wish I was not so brain dead when I flashed it last night. When I cp'ed the kernel, I probbaly got a "device full" error on the cf card and didn't even see it. |
| 00:46.41 | mtnbkr | this zarus is the coolest thing since sliced bread. :) got the serial cable to config routers etc, and even had it working with my Garmin GPS and Kismet a long while back. |
| 00:48.53 | subdue | which Z? |
| 00:49.05 | mtnbkr | SL5500 a few years old. :) |
| 00:49.20 | subdue | which gps software have you been using? |
| 00:49.31 | JohnAK | I wish I had a serial cable for my 5500. |
| 00:49.33 | mtnbkr | haven't had time to play with it much lately though |
| 00:50.02 | subdue | I've considered the serial cable, but not sure if bluetooth or serial is the way to go for gps |
| 00:50.10 | mtnbkr | subdue: unless it was the gpsd daemon fromgpsdrive, I can not recall since that is the only thing I can remember |
| 00:50.24 | subdue | gpsdrive is the one I'd love to use |
| 00:50.31 | JohnAK | I'm playing with my jornada in the hopes of using it to wardrive |
| 00:50.31 | subdue | but I realize it'll never work on the sharp rom |
| 00:50.41 | mtnbkr | subdue: the serial cable is a slick design in that you can upen the k/b even with it plugged in. |
| 00:50.51 | subdue | right, from serialio |
| 00:50.52 | JohnAK | but I've got kernel issues to overcome first, like getting hostap maybe. |
| 00:51.05 | subdue | was it worth the price? it's a little pricey |
| 00:51.34 | mtnbkr | subdue: serialio yep |
| 00:52.07 | mtnbkr | when I "want" something... well... yeah, I think it was a little expensive. |
| 00:52.14 | mtnbkr | but it works nice. |
| 00:52.29 | mtnbkr | dammit... I can not get konqueror embedded to install |
| 00:54.23 | subdue | $35 plus shipping |
| 00:55.08 | JohnAK | use opera :) |
| 00:55.13 | subdue | if I ended up doing some router stuff, then I'd end up buying it |
| 00:55.45 | subdue | (on my eventual list) |
| 00:55.55 | mtnbkr | hmm, not in packages list. you got a URL for an opera .ipk? |
| 00:56.12 | subdue | which rom? |
| 00:56.39 | mtnbkr | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:56.48 | JohnAK | Look in the oesf forums, someone made a opera package for OZ |
| 00:56.57 | mtnbkr | k thanx |
| 00:57.02 | JohnAK | It's all fixed up with nice icons and it even makes the link needed in /usr/share for you |
| 00:57.08 | JohnAK | you just need to install it and do a makecompat |
| 00:59.17 | subdue | I think it's up to 7.55 |
| 00:59.40 | JohnAK | Yeah I think my copy is 7.5.5 |
| 00:59.45 | JohnAK | or maybe 7.55 |
| 00:59.46 | JohnAK | :) |
| 00:59.52 | JohnAK | Anyway its time to go home. |
| 01:00.34 | mtnbkr | bye thanx |
| 01:03.29 | subdue | " OZ does not include Jeode, Hancom apps, or Opera at the moment due to license reasons. However, konqueror/embedded is available for a browser." |
| 01:03.52 | subdue | I guess you'll have to look on oesf |
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| 01:18.49 | mtnbkr | subdue: thanks... I will check there. Can't figure out why konqueror-embedded won't install though. :( used to install fine on oz-3.5.2 or lower... |
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| 03:14.43 | KallDrexx | I have a question. I haven't used my zaurus for about 2 years now and I"m trying to use it again. Whats the advantage of Oz over the stock sharp rom? |
| 03:15.10 | subdue | something new you haven't done |
| 03:18.57 | KallDrexx | that basically it? |
| 03:19.05 | Cwiiis | KallDrexx: Faster, more capable and more up-to-date applications, generally |
| 03:19.18 | KallDrexx | what do you mean by more capable? |
| 03:20.28 | Cwiiis | The opie calendar app, for example, last I tried at least (I'm a GPE user, I haven't used Opie for a few versions now) was more capable than the Sharp-rom calendar app |
| 03:20.40 | Cwiiis | Nice Today page as well |
| 03:20.52 | Cwiiis | Decent E-mail app, that supports IMAP |
| 03:20.53 | KallDrexx | hrm thats something i'll have to check out |
| 03:21.01 | KallDrexx | probably more up to date too |
| 03:21.33 | Cwiiis | In GPE, you get minimo (very nice browser), gxine (very nice media player) and a few other nice bits and bobs |
| 03:21.59 | KallDrexx | well unfrotunatly I don't have hte monye for a wireless CF so I dont' know how much networking I"ll be doing |
| 03:22.10 | Cwiiis | The main thing is speed though - none of the PIM apps on either GPE or Opie have a considerable start-up time (last I checked Opie, it was pretty much instant - both are *much* faster than sharp-rom) |
| 03:22.29 | KallDrexx | yeah I"m seeing that now |
| 03:22.40 | Cwiiis | Anyway, I'm off - g'night |
| 03:22.47 | KallDrexx | night, thanks! |
| 03:23.02 | Cwiiis | np :) |
| 03:23.09 | KallDrexx | glad to have my Z back hehe |
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| 03:26.17 | nathan_ | SQL server seems to be down for the bugs |
| 03:26.26 | KallDrexx | Where can I downlaod the opie media player? |
| 03:26.31 | nathan_ | is there a known problem with APM scripts not running on QPE? |
| 03:26.43 | nathan_ | or rather, not running when I use the power switch vs apm -s |
| 03:56.01 | blk-majik | anyone running debian in a chroot under opie? |
| 03:56.27 | blk-majik | i got it working for the most part. gotta work on X integration. probably have to resort to VNC from opie to do it tho |
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| 04:00.13 | blk-majik | ls |
| 04:00.17 | blk-majik | opps =) |
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| 07:35.21 | Luke-Jr | Why does OZ insist on installing -de and -fr pkgs? |
| 07:38.47 | XorA | Luke-Jr: probably the number of german developers |
| 07:39.56 | Luke-Jr | XorA: any way to disable it? |
| 07:51.10 | XorA | Luke-Jr: ipkg remove blah-locale-fr |
| 07:59.05 | Luke-Jr | XorA: I mean so it doesn't install them in the first place |
| 07:59.09 | Luke-Jr | and so I don't need -force-depends |
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| 08:04.28 | Luke-Jr | blah... i can't login :| |
| 08:04.38 | XorA | Luke-Jr: youd have to build your own image with them removed as dependancies |
| 08:04.51 | Luke-Jr | XorA: they're not dependencies normally |
| 08:04.57 | XorA | what depends on them? if its a task-blah then thats an empty package anyway |
| 08:04.58 | Luke-Jr | Adding satisfier for greedy dependence: linphone-hh-locale-fr |
| 08:05.14 | Luke-Jr | ipkg knows they're not a normal dep |
| 08:05.25 | XorA | Luke-Jr: isnt that because the base locale is installed? |
| 08:05.38 | Luke-Jr | I have no idea why it would be |
| 08:05.42 | Luke-Jr | that's what I was asking |
| 08:06.04 | XorA | Luke-Jr: I was meaning remove the base locale's and Im guessing the others will be happy |
| 08:06.12 | Luke-Jr | ah |
| 08:06.18 | Luke-Jr | what's the base locale's pkg? |
| 08:08.45 | XorA | locale-base-fr-fr locale-base-de-de |
| 08:08.58 | Luke-Jr | thx |
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| 08:40.15 | Luke-Jr | Any simple way to reinstall all packages on my Z? |
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| 09:24.57 | *** topic/#openzaurus by hrw|work -> OpenZaurus user discussion/support channel | developer discussion in #oe | http://openzaurus.org/ | Don't ask to ask, just ask. | OZ 3.5.3 -> http://openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.3/ | Report OZ bugs at http://bugs.openembedded.org/ l/p: guest/guest |
| 09:24.57 | *** topic/#openzaurus by ChanServ -> OpenZaurus user discussion/support channel | developer discussion in #oe | http://openzaurus.org/ | Don't ask to ask, just ask. | OZ 3.5.2 -> http://openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.2/ | Report OZ bugs at http://bugs.openembedded.org/ l/p: guest/guest |
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| 09:25.31 | *** topic/#openzaurus by mickeyl -> OpenZaurus user discussion/support channel | developer discussion in #oe | http://openzaurus.org/ | Don't ask to ask, just ask. | OZ 3.5.3 -> http://openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.3/ | Report OZ bugs at http://bugs.openembedded.org/ l/p: guest/guest |
| 09:25.31 | *** topic/#openzaurus by ChanServ -> OpenZaurus user discussion/support channel | developer discussion in #oe | http://openzaurus.org/ | Don't ask to ask, just ask. | OZ 3.5.2 -> http://openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.2/ | Report OZ bugs at http://bugs.openembedded.org/ l/p: guest/guest |
| 09:25.40 | hrw|work | heh... |
| 09:26.03 | *** topic/#openzaurus by mickeyl -> OpenZaurus user discussion/support channel | developer discussion in #oe | http://openzaurus.org/ | Don't ask to ask, just ask. | OZ 3.5.3 -> http://openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.3/ | Report OZ bugs at http://bugs.openembedded.org/ l/p: guest/guest |
| 09:26.09 | mickeyl | better now? |
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| 09:27.06 | mickeyl | heh, developers invading the user channel |
| 09:27.17 | RP | :) |
| 09:27.32 | RP | It had dropped off my irc client for some reason |
| 09:27.48 | hrw|work | much better |
| 09:27.52 | Bernardo | it seems I didn't arrive in time to see what was the old topic... :) |
| 09:28.12 | hrw|work | Bernardo: s/3.5.3/3.5.2 |
| 09:28.53 | hrw|work | mickeyl: do you know how to give someone permission to change topic? then I can take care of that in future |
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| 09:30.26 | mickeyl | hrw|work: the channel owner must do this with ChanServ |
| 09:30.53 | hrw|work | ok |
| 09:31.13 | hrw|work | will look for that |
| 09:32.17 | hrw|work | I have to repair second hdd and build machine for home hosting... irc session died because server died.. and I dont have control over my irc session, my mails, my webpage.. |
| 09:33.50 | Bernardo | ouch |
| 09:34.26 | hrw|work | hdd lost +12V pin in power connector |
| 09:36.47 | Bernardo | I've had that happen with my mother's pc... I need to replace that power supply |
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| 09:50.06 | StarScream | hrw|work: i logged in to the OZ site the other day and made a post about doing the FAQ and Docs but i don't think anyone else can see it. |
| 09:50.32 | hrw|work | heh.. I forgot to check it.. |
| 09:52.21 | mickeyl | hrw|work: btw., i added c3000 installation instructions, but couldn't make them visible. |
| 09:52.27 | mickeyl | how does that go in general ? |
| 09:52.41 | hrw|work | mickeyl: it was empty so I set it to not show - will edit |
| 09:53.09 | mickeyl | ok. where can one toggle things to show or not to show ? |
| 09:53.29 | mickeyl | i'm considering to use wordpress on my site as well |
| 09:54.18 | hrw|work | it is hardcoded in one template |
| 09:54.40 | mickeyl | ah |
| 09:54.43 | hrw|work | ok. now it show |
| 10:01.12 | Luke-Jr | Anyone know how to kill the -fr and -de pkgs? |
| 10:02.32 | hrw|work | from? |
| 10:03.56 | Luke-Jr | when I install stuff, it pulls in pkgname-fr and pkgname-de |
| 10:04.24 | Luke-Jr | I need to later remove -force-depends to get rid of them |
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| 10:05.45 | hrw|work | hmmm.. look for locale-base* packages |
| 10:05.51 | Luke-Jr | removed those too |
| 10:07.11 | hrw|work | helped? |
| 10:07.29 | Luke-Jr | I don't think so |
| 10:08.10 | Luke-Jr | I'll check again to be sure it didn't |
| 10:10.14 | Luke-Jr | hmm |
| 10:10.23 | Luke-Jr | guess they were leftover from before I killed locale-bases |
| 10:10.34 | Luke-Jr | hopefully |
| 10:16.15 | hrw|work | maybe |
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| 10:36.55 | Luke-Jr | since when is C760 a Shephard? |
| 10:38.03 | hrw|work | you mean 'hostname'/ |
| 10:38.04 | hrw|work | ? |
| 10:38.09 | Luke-Jr | no |
| 10:38.14 | Luke-Jr | in the GPE System Info thing |
| 10:38.27 | Luke-Jr | Hardware tab |
| 10:38.38 | Luke-Jr | "Device Name\n\nSharp Zaurus (Shepherd) |
| 10:38.51 | lardman | they are all the same base, shepherd was chosen to represent them |
| 10:39.00 | Luke-Jr | o |
| 10:39.05 | Luke-Jr | it's hard-coded? :| |
| 10:39.09 | hrw|work | Luke-Jr: all c7x0 are the same |
| 10:39.31 | hrw|work | they only differ in: cpu (pxa250/255), ram (32/64), flash (64/128) |
| 10:39.41 | hrw|work | rest is same in all models |
| 10:39.43 | lardman | no the cpus are all 255s |
| 10:39.47 | lardman | oops |
| 10:39.53 | lardman | I take it back - c700 |
| 10:39.58 | hrw|work | corgi is 250 |
| 10:40.00 | Luke-Jr | the "Shepherd" is hard-coded, tho? |
| 10:40.08 | hrw|work | Luke-Jr: look in source |
| 10:40.52 | Luke-Jr | is there a 'keylaunch' for c760? |
| 10:42.10 | hrw|work | not in feed ;( |
| 10:42.42 | Luke-Jr | meaning if I bitbake one, it will work? |
| 10:42.49 | hrw|work | it should |
| 10:42.57 | Luke-Jr | It was preinstalled in the image |
| 10:43.01 | Luke-Jr | but it broke matchbox-wm |
| 10:43.17 | Luke-Jr | that's why I'm not sure |
| 10:44.06 | hrw|work | I dont know how it is in GPE |
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| 11:10.24 | hrw|work | StarScream: I will edit your post and publish in changed form |
| 11:10.46 | StarScream | hrw|work: cool. |
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| 11:25.56 | hrw|work | StarScream: http://openzaurus.org/wordpress/2005/04/28/how-to-help/ |
| 11:29.40 | lardman | anyone tried lamip? |
| 11:29.46 | hrw|work | what is it? |
| 11:29.54 | lardman | http://fondriest.frederic.free.fr/realisations/lamip/download.html |
| 11:30.00 | lardman | someone was talking about it on ZUG |
| 11:30.28 | lardman | http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=11336&st=30 |
| 11:30.28 | b0ti|work | lardman: I was fiddling with the sl811_cs module last night, not much advancment though. |
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| 11:30.52 | lardman | b0ti|work: I started reading docs, but wasn't hope 'till late so didn't get very far either |
| 11:31.18 | lardman | b0ti|work: have you got a latest version of the code? I'm wondering what's in OE atm |
| 11:31.25 | hrw|work | lardman: yet another media engine.. |
| 11:31.32 | b0ti|work | I know that sl811-hcd.c needs to be altered too, unfortunately. |
| 11:31.38 | lardman | hrw|work: yep :) |
| 11:31.48 | lardman | b0ti|work: really, oh right - why? |
| 11:31.58 | b0ti|work | lardman, the one I posted yesterday. |
| 11:32.15 | b0ti|work | It doesn't print any kernel messages though. |
| 11:33.05 | b0ti|work | I tried to call into hcd from the _cs module (the sl811_probe function), and all I got was undefined symbol in .ko when compiling |
| 11:33.13 | lardman | I see there are two cfu1 drivers in OE atm |
| 11:33.17 | lardman | same thing though |
| 11:33.44 | b0ti|work | there isn't much point adding this yet to OE until it actually can do something. |
| 11:33.53 | lardman | could someone remove cfu1-driver as that's the same as the other but with lots of commented out bits |
| 11:34.15 | lardman | b0ti|work: I don't know, it's worth having something in there |
| 11:34.27 | lardman | b0ti|work: then someone else can take a look at it if they fancy |
| 11:34.33 | b0ti|work | so I have researched on the subject on how to get external modules linked and dependencies included (autmagically into .mod.c) |
| 11:34.44 | lardman | yep |
| 11:34.52 | lardman | I think my .bb does this anyway? |
| 11:35.04 | lardman | what conclusions did you reach> |
| 11:35.05 | lardman | ? |
| 11:35.27 | b0ti|work | so, the minimum modification sl811-hcd needs is an EXPORT_SYMBOL for those functions that will be called from _cs. |
| 11:35.39 | lardman | that doesn't sound too bad |
| 11:35.46 | b0ti|work | these are a good read: |
| 11:35.49 | b0ti|work | http://lwn.net/Articles/driver-porting/ |
| 11:35.55 | lardman | :) |
| 11:35.55 | b0ti|work | http://lwn.net/Articles/22197/ |
| 11:36.02 | b0ti|work | http://lwn.net/Articles/21835/ |
| 11:36.04 | lardman | it's a relative term I guess ;) |
| 11:36.49 | lardman | Okay, I've just opened them up - I'll try to take a look at them this evening |
| 11:37.12 | StarScream | hrw|work: k, i'm in brussels on the weekend but monday i'll get started on the layout of the install guides and as soon as i can get a useable oz install i'll do the sync docs |
| 11:37.58 | b0ti|work | so now the question is, how to implement this modification. Patch the kernel, or create a derivative of sl811-hcd outside together with the _cs.c |
| 11:38.37 | lardman | I'd be tempted to go with the kernel patch |
| 11:38.45 | lardman | it's cleaner |
| 11:38.55 | b0ti|work | another thing I don't know yet is how the sl811-hcd driver is used. |
| 11:39.12 | lardman | in terms of what functions are called by the _cs? |
| 11:39.27 | mickey|lunch | i don't see why it's cleaner to have it inside the kernel. I'd rather submit it to mainline or maintain it externally. |
| 11:39.40 | b0ti|work | because looking at the source, you can't use it (by just modprobing) unless you tell it to initialize (the _probe function) |
| 11:40.11 | b0ti|work | I think we should have a kernel patch. |
| 11:40.17 | lardman | mickeyl|lunch: okay |
| 11:40.19 | b0ti|work | it's easier too. |
| 11:40.40 | b0ti|work | I mean cleaner. |
| 11:40.41 | mickeyl | then better submit it to mainline or we'll have to adapt it with every revision |
| 11:40.52 | b0ti|work | mickeyl: exactly |
| 11:41.06 | lardman | Is that driver used in something other than a CF card> |
| 11:41.07 | lardman | ? |
| 11:41.41 | lardman | If not, then submitting the patch to mainline would be okay, if not then they won't want our patch...? |
| 11:41.48 | b0ti|work | lardman: so I grepped through the 2.6.11 source to see if anything else uses sl811-hcd, but nothing does. |
| 11:42.43 | b0ti|work | until it gets into mainline we (OZ/OE) will have to use a patch anyway. |
| 11:43.24 | lardman | b0ti|work: if it's used in a different kind of USB controller (without pcmcia glue) then our patch would interfer |
| 11:44.31 | b0ti|work | lardman: that's my concern |
| 11:44.31 | alan-otaff | hi ! i finally managed to prepare a kernel 2.6.11 for my mandrake 10.1. i'll test it when i'm back home. I'll post results tonight. Keep your finger crossed for me ^^ |
| 11:44.45 | lardman | mickeyl|lunch: what do you think? I'd be tempted to go with the kernel patch for the time being as it'll make life easier for us (well mainly b0ti as he knows more about this than I) |
| 11:44.47 | b0ti|work | alan-otaff: good luck. But I hope you configured it right for your box. |
| 11:45.38 | lardman | mickeyl|lunch: if this is troublesome then we can eventually pull out the sl811_hcd and whatever it needs and build it externally, but first it's be good to get it all working |
| 11:46.30 | alan-otaff | b0ti|work : i hope so... ^^' |
| 11:46.47 | lardman | looks like my GPE build might almost be coming to an end - just rebuilding the CVS stuff |
| 11:47.05 | hrw|work | alan-otaff: remember to configure bootloader (lilo, grub) to allow booting also with older kernel not only with that one which you just build |
| 11:48.48 | b0ti|work | btw, is it possible to use the rex-cfu1 with a pcmcia adapter and plug it into a pcmcia slot? |
| 11:49.11 | b0ti|work | Or any other cf card that's not flash memory? |
| 11:49.34 | b0ti|work | I have an adapter card, but it only works with flash cf. |
| 11:51.52 | hrw|work | b0ti|work: it should - pretec wifi have adapter included |
| 11:52.52 | alan-otaff | hrw|work : yes, you are right, thanks for remembering me about this point. |
| 11:53.15 | hrw|work | I use grub so always can boot |
| 11:55.20 | b0ti|work | is there a general adapter card that works with all kinds (type I and type II) of cf cards or these adapters are special to each device type? |
| 11:56.28 | b0ti|work | It would be nice to have the ratoc work with one, so I could go on hacking on my laptop and this would speed up development and testing a lot. |
| 11:56.39 | hrw|work | dont know |
| 11:57.09 | mickeyl | yeah, go ahead with your patch as a means to evaluate the working |
| 11:57.18 | mickeyl | if you think it's finished, submit it as RFC to the list |
| 11:57.29 | mickeyl | (alkml) |
| 11:57.44 | b0ti|work | ok. |
| 11:58.09 | hrw|work | mickeyl: alkml? lkml rather |
| 11:58.21 | mickeyl | right, of course |
| 11:58.24 | mickeyl | it's not arm specific |
| 11:58.38 | b0ti|work | BTW, just read this page, http://lwn.net/Articles/114435/, glad to know that sl811-hcd should work on the Z. it says: Compiles (x86, ARM) and works (ARM/PXA255); |
| 11:59.36 | lardman | b0ti|work: I thought CF & PCMCIA were pin compatible |
| 11:59.46 | lardman | b0ti|work: so a straight through adaptor should work |
| 12:00.01 | b0ti|work | lardman: me too, except for (type I and II) |
| 12:00.35 | lardman | b0ti|work: PCMCIA has more pins anyway (iirc), so you may find that it's fine |
| 12:00.59 | lardman | b0ti|work: or do you mean PCMCIA versions? |
| 12:01.00 | b0ti|work | I have an adapter for type I (the thin cf), and when I plug in my lan card it doesn't work. |
| 12:01.10 | lardman | Ah, okay |
| 12:01.20 | hrw|work | http://www.hardwarebook.net/connector/memory/compactflash.html http://www.hardwarebook.net/connector/bus/pcmcia.html |
| 12:01.29 | hrw|work | cf - 50pin, pcmcia - 68pin |
| 12:01.44 | lardman | I wonder if it only passes through the bare minimum of the pins which allows memory stuff to work |
| 12:01.58 | b0ti|work | lardman: that's my guess. |
| 12:02.50 | lardman | I have seen some cheapo CF cards (not memory, BT, WiFi) which come with a PCMCIA adaptor, that would probably be a better bet |
| 12:03.32 | lardman | I meant they weren't memory cards, but were BT, wifi, etc. |
| 12:03.34 | b0ti|work | lardman: but again these adapters might be designed only for that cf. |
| 12:04.07 | lardman | yes, it's a risk |
| 12:06.02 | Noodles | I've been using my wireless/bluetooth CF cards with my laptop using the adaptor that came with a Xircom CompactCard 10. |
| 12:07.10 | b0ti|work | that's a good sign that there is a general adapter which should work with all CF cards. |
| 12:07.39 | b0ti|work | noodles: it's for type II (the wide one) right? |
| 12:07.57 | Noodles | Yeah. |
| 12:07.59 | lardman | What's the difference between them - just the width? |
| 12:08.06 | hrw|work | lardman: yes |
| 12:08.14 | hrw|work | type II are thicker |
| 12:08.23 | lardman | yep, I've got one ;) |
| 12:08.38 | b0ti|work | cfu1 is one of them ;) |
| 12:08.40 | lardman | just wondering if there were any other spec differences |
| 12:08.47 | b0ti|work | so you got one for sure |
| 12:08.51 | lardman | :) |
| 12:09.16 | lardman | lunch time, bbiab |
| 12:11.03 | alan-otaff | lardman|lunch : bon appetit ;) |
| 12:11.20 | b0ti|work | http://wearables.blu.org/wear-hard-04/200410430.html says: |
| 12:11.22 | b0ti|work | > If you're running PocketPC on your iPaq, you can get |
| 12:11.22 | b0ti|work | > a Type II |
| 12:11.22 | b0ti|work | > CompactFlash PCMCIA adapter and use the Ratoc USB |
| 12:11.22 | b0ti|work | > host card: |
| 12:11.58 | b0ti|work | I guess I go buy one (if it's cheap enough) |
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| 13:57.01 | lardman|busy | Yay! GPE with 2.6.11 just finished building |
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| 14:23.31 | kolla_ | lardman|busy: for what model? |
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| 14:23.49 | lardman|busy | kolla_: c7x0 |
| 14:24.22 | kolla_ | ok |
| 14:25.26 | b0ti|work | lardman|busy: now you have a 2.6.11 kernel? good ;) |
| 14:26.20 | kolla_ | is the SD/MMC slot working in 2.6.11? |
| 14:26.42 | hrw|work | kolla_: on c7x0 yes |
| 14:26.54 | hrw|work | kolla_: it will work on all Zaurii except collie |
| 14:27.16 | kolla_ | ah, ok |
| 14:27.41 | kolla_ | so I'm stuck on 2.4.18 |
| 14:27.55 | kolla_ | perhaps I should look into backporting bugfixes in the kernel |
| 14:28.32 | lardman|busy | unless you're happy without SD, or can persuade Sharp to release some info on their locmo chip (that's the right one I think) |
| 14:29.03 | lardman|busy | where SD means the slot, so no MMC either afaik |
| 14:29.05 | kolla_ | not really happy without SD |
| 14:29.15 | kolla_ | (or MMC) |
| 14:29.50 | kolla_ | unless someone release something spectacular like a CF wifi card with 1GB or so buildt in flash ram :) |
| 14:30.08 | lardman|busy | n0ti|work: yep, I'll flash it this evening, then I'll be able to do some testing at least (still got lots to read though) |
| 14:30.25 | lardman|busy | s/n0ti/b0ti - sorry, random typo |
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| 14:53.10 | effy-kun | anyone done GPS on a C700 or the likes? |
| 14:56.27 | lardman|busy | not for a long time I'm afraid |
| 15:01.05 | effy-kun | I'm curious what cards have support |
| 15:05.47 | lardman|busy | ah, I was using serial I'm afraid |
| 15:28.04 | prh | I wonder if anyone has much experience with the NAND restore on a 750... I'm trying to restore a NAND image and it is saying "NAND Restore from CF \n file:SYSTC750.dbk \n not exist file" I've checked, it's an msdos filesystem, and the file is there... |
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| 17:29.33 | blk-majik | hmm. a bunch of my opie icons got fuzzy for some reason. any idea why/how to fix? |
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| 18:40.13 | alan | hi ! |
| 18:41.32 | alan | i'm not sure i'll be able to do my mandrake test tonight... i think i'll do it tommorrow... |
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| 19:06.05 | prh | can anyone help me - my 750 wont let me do a NAND restore - it just says "file not exist" and I'm feeling a bit stuffed |
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| 19:23.00 | alan | phr : is your cf card vfat formatted ? |
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| 19:29.13 | prh | erm yea |
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| 19:32.11 | blk-majik | anyone know how to fix the fuzzy opie icon problem? |
| 19:32.15 | prh | i've tried reformating, putting the filesystem on the whole device - changing the partition type flag |
| 19:32.19 | hrw | blk-majik: ? |
| 19:33.01 | blk-majik | hrw: some of the icons in opie are kinda pixelated. no idea what caused it |
| 19:33.25 | hrw | blk-majik: you have VGA zaurus? |
| 19:33.34 | blk-majik | 5500 |
| 19:33.48 | hrw | maybe that icons are lowqualify |
| 19:34.04 | blk-majik | nah, they were fine before |
| 19:34.09 | blk-majik | and its only a few of them |
| 19:34.26 | blk-majik | recalibrate, reload icons, shutdown on the settings tab |
| 19:37.26 | hrw | hmm.. let me look |
| 19:39.17 | hrw | recalibrate and shutdown are better in newer popie |
| 19:39.26 | hrw | opie |
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| 19:46.00 | blk-majik | i havnt used my Z until the week for about a year+. i reember this happening in OZ back when it just came out, too |
| 19:46.18 | blk-majik | also, the 'ok' and 'x' buttons at the top right of any app are fuzzy |
| 19:46.30 | blk-majik | and any buttons brought up by opie-sh apps |
| 19:47.24 | hrw | soem things of that type changed after 1.2.0 release |
| 19:47.40 | hrw | some |
| 19:48.08 | hrw | http://www.hrw.one.pl/index.php/2005/04/19/some-shots-from-my-c760/ |
| 19:48.46 | hrw | tomorrow I will upgrade my c760 to newer cvs opie |
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| 19:58.51 | hrw | blk-majik: looks better? |
| 19:59.07 | blk-majik | better? was i suposed to do something? ;) |
| 19:59.19 | hrw | http://www.hrw.one.pl/index.php/2005/04/19/some-shots-from-my-c760/ - look here |
| 20:00.46 | mickey|meeting | hrw: your fonts are - as always - looking great. I'm tempted to ditch qpf for our default image. Noticed any performance differences with your ttf? (what font type / size is that on your picture, btw.) ? |
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| 20:01.18 | hrw | mickey|meeting: its dejavusans/14 ttf |
| 20:01.20 | B0Ti | hi lard! |
| 20:01.35 | blk-majik | looks 100x better than mine. especially /w the lack of fuzzy icons ;) |
| 20:02.15 | hrw | mickey|meeting: before 1.2.0 I got better txt benchmarks with ttf then with qpf... but olny there |
| 20:02.24 | hrw | mickey|meeting: but txt benchmark in sysinfo suxx |
| 20:02.30 | mickey|meeting | righto |
| 20:02.34 | mickey|meeting | no idea why though |
| 20:02.41 | mickey|meeting | will have a look when i have time |
| 20:02.42 | mickey|meeting | next year or so |
| 20:02.43 | mickey|meeting | heh |
| 20:03.29 | hrw | mickey|meeting: run that benchmark ~20-30 times in a row |
| 20:03.56 | hrw | XorA|gone: I need your info abut mplayer.... |
| 20:04.41 | B0Ti | how can I reset (to reboot) the Z without having to remove the battery? |
| 20:05.08 | hrw | B0Ti: right japanese+home, home+s, rght jap+home, home+b |
| 20:05.38 | hrw | right japan+home = SysRq |
| 20:06.34 | B0Ti | what's right japanese? |
| 20:07.23 | hrw | B0Ti: Fn LJapan RJapan - space / ? |
| 20:08.40 | B0Ti | ?? i dont get it, sorry. what's LJapan? |
| 20:08.45 | B0Ti | and RJapan? |
| 20:08.52 | hrw | look at c7x0 keyboard |
| 20:08.59 | hrw | find "Fn" key |
| 20:08.59 | B0Ti | c860 |
| 20:09.13 | B0Ti | but it's the same i think |
| 20:09.14 | hrw | c7x0 = c700, c750, c760, c860 |
| 20:09.36 | hrw | B0Ti: you see Fn? |
| 20:09.38 | B0Ti | I got Fn ;) |
| 20:09.50 | hrw | what is on the right of it? |
| 20:09.51 | B0Ti | so? |
| 20:10.09 | hrw | key with 4japanese chars on it? |
| 20:10.28 | B0Ti | there is kana/hira and zen/han |
| 20:10.54 | hrw | I dont know what they do - for me it's LeftJapanese and RightJapanese |
| 20:11.09 | B0Ti | ok. now I got it. |
| 20:11.20 | lardman | Good evening all |
| 20:11.25 | hrw | Fn, LeftJapanese (4 chars on it), RightJapanese (2 chars on it), -, space |
| 20:11.30 | lardman | I now have GPE with 2.6.11 |
| 20:12.12 | B0Ti | カナ and ひら is for japanese alphabet. |
| 20:13.12 | hrw | sorry - non utf8 here |
| 20:14.20 | hrw | hmm... it looks like c760 is too weak for qvga mpeg1 video... |
| 20:15.33 | B0Ti | it says "SysRq : Resetting" and is stuck. |
| 20:15.50 | hrw | now you have to power on |
| 20:16.25 | B0Ti | doesn't do anything. it's stuck there. |
| 20:16.31 | lardman | hrw: I tried a vga XVid which it wasn't overly happy about playing in normal time ;) |
| 20:16.33 | B0Ti | "SysRq : Resetting" and is stuck. |
| 20:17.15 | B0Ti | lardman: now things are getting interesting: |
| 20:17.16 | B0Ti | Apr 28 21:54:57 zaurus2 kernel: sl811_cs: sl811_cs_event(0x000004) |
| 20:17.16 | B0Ti | Apr 28 21:54:57 zaurus2 kernel: sl811_cs: sl811_cs_config(0xc3c61460) |
| 20:17.16 | B0Ti | Apr 28 21:54:57 zaurus2 kernel: cf_usb0: index 0x04: Vcc 3.3, irq 40, io 0xc4860000-0xc4860007 |
| 20:17.16 | B0Ti | Apr 28 21:54:57 zaurus2 kernel: sl811_cs: FIXME: sl811 initialization: sl811h_probe? |
| 20:17.16 | B0Ti | Apr 28 21:54:57 zaurus2 kernel: Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at virtual address 00000010 |
| 20:17.19 | B0Ti | Apr 28 21:54:57 zaurus2 kernel: pgd = c30f8000 |
| 20:17.21 | B0Ti | Apr 28 21:54:57 zaurus2 kernel: [00000010] *pgd=a2fe5031, *pte=00000000, *ppte=00000000 |
| 20:17.25 | B0Ti | Apr 28 21:54:58 zaurus2 kernel: Internal error: Oops: 17 [#1] |
| 20:17.29 | B0Ti | A |
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| 20:17.54 | B0Ti | The two modules are now linked together. |
| 20:18.06 | hrw | B0Ti: for me SysRq+b is reset always |
| 20:19.05 | B0Ti | hrw: I'll experiment. |
| 20:19.21 | lardman | B0Ti: good news |
| 20:19.49 | hrw | cu |
| 20:21.49 | lardman | bye hrw |
| 20:25.22 | lardman | B0Ti: I managed to leave the docs at work |
| 20:25.37 | lardman | B0Ti: That said, I've got to do some paid-for work now anyway |
| 20:25.48 | lardman | B0Ti: Speak to you tomorrow |
| 20:27.04 | lardman | night all |
| 20:29.08 | prh | hrw|gone: how did yet get opera in OZ |
| 20:38.02 | alan | good night everyone ! |
| 20:38.21 | alan | good luck prh ! |
| 20:50.02 | prh | yey! tried _another_ card... and this worked. seems it was not liking most of my cards |
| 21:10.24 | blk-majik | i figured out the picture issue...inda |
| 21:10.24 | blk-majik | kinda |
| 21:10.33 | blk-majik | the .png fiels themselves got altered |
| 21:10.36 | blk-majik | no idea now, but they did |
| 21:10.47 | blk-majik | viewing them in konq suggests that, at least |
| 21:11.39 | blk-majik | hmm, i lied |
| 21:11.49 | blk-majik | just scp'd the file to my desktop. looks fine here |
| 21:12.05 | blk-majik | must be some of the image libs |
| 21:15.06 | blk-majik | its not all png's. just some. im at a loss =( |
| 21:17.50 | blk-majik | ohh! libpng was installed from xqt src's. lemme overwrite with opie ones |
| 21:21.37 | Luke-Jr | Obvious tip of the day: ipkg won't install/update/remove as non-root |
| 21:22.04 | blk-majik | lol |
| 21:22.14 | Luke-Jr | just spent 10 min on that again |
| 21:22.24 | blk-majik | (btw, that didnt fix it. icons sitll fuzzy) |
| 21:22.27 | Luke-Jr | Of course, most of that time was doing other stuff waiting for ipkg to error |
| 21:22.36 | blk-majik | ehh, true |
| 21:23.13 | blk-majik | i love how ipkg isntall takes 4 mins to tell u that u spelled install wrong |
| 21:23.37 | Luke-Jr | lol |
| 21:24.37 | Luke-Jr | I bet RPM would even work better than ipkg... |
| 21:24.57 | blk-majik | hmm...nah =) |
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| 21:32.15 | blk-majik | fixed it! |
| 21:32.25 | blk-majik | needed a reboto after uninstalling old libpng and reisntalling original ones |
| 21:32.30 | blk-majik | add that to the FAQ =) |
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| 21:56.58 | nodemons | evenin' all |
| 21:57.02 | nodemons | just installed openzaurus for the first time and having a little trouble with konqueror-embedded |
| 21:57.12 | nodemons | when i attempt to run it from opie i get a window, title 'fatal error' saying: |
| 21:57.30 | nodemons | cannot find html4.css or charsets, check env variable KDEDIR |
| 21:57.41 | nodemons | anyone seen this. im runnign 3.5.3 |
| 21:59.07 | nodemons | i guess not |
| 22:01.54 | lardman | try running from the term |
| 22:02.04 | lardman | if you can see these files |
| 22:02.14 | lardman | then set the var it wants to point to them |
| 22:02.24 | lardman | if this works, submit a bug |
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| 22:10.39 | nodemons | hmm, i just reset, and now the message doesnt appear, it fails silently. run from the console however it says: error while loading shared library libpcre.so.0 |
| 22:10.52 | nodemons | although i have libpcre installed |
| 22:12.54 | lardman | have the symlinks been created correctly? |
| 22:13.18 | nodemons | how can i check? |
| 22:13.23 | lardman | e.g. libpcre.0.X.x -> libpcre.0.X & libpcre.0.X -> libpcre.0 |
| 22:13.30 | lardman | ls...? |
| 22:13.32 | blk-majik | ls -l /lib/libpcre* |
| 22:13.38 | blk-majik | or maybe /usr/lib |
| 22:13.42 | blk-majik | find / -name libpcre |
| 22:13.47 | lardman | the latter I reckon |
| 22:14.01 | lardman | it ought to be in /usr/lib |
| 22:15.36 | lardman | nodemons: anything? |
| 22:15.48 | nodemons | yes: |
| 22:16.14 | nodemons | ' /usr/lib/libpcre.so -> libpcre.so.0.0.1 |
| 22:16.24 | nodemons | ' /usr/lib/libpcre.so.0 -> libpcre.so |
| 22:16.42 | nodemons | ' /usr/lib/libpcreposix.so -> libpcreposix.so.0.0.0 |
| 22:16.55 | nodemons | thats all |
| 22:17.04 | lardman | curious symlinking for pcre, but it should work |
| 22:18.08 | lardman | ah, no libpcre.so.0.0.1 in your ls? |
| 22:18.19 | lardman | other than as a symlink destination |
| 22:18.19 | nodemons | actually to be fair I created that second one when i was trying to fix it |
| 22:18.25 | lardman | ok |
| 22:18.32 | nodemons | umm, i dont think so |
| 22:18.46 | lardman | if libpcre.so.0.0.1 doesn't exist, then you'll need to install it |
| 22:19.24 | nodemons | ' /media/cf/packages/usr/lib/libpcre.so.0.0.1 |
| 22:19.52 | lardman | try an 'ipkg-link mount /media/cf/packages' then |
| 22:20.03 | lardman | then try konq again |
| 22:20.07 | nodemons | ok |
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| 22:20.48 | nodemons | you're the boss! great it works now! |
| 22:21.16 | lardman | :) good stuff |
| 22:21.40 | lardman | right, time for bed, night all |
| 22:21.48 | nodemons | night lardman |
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| 23:24.01 | blk-majik | hmm. anyone know what might cause opie to take forever to load, and when it loads, there are no applets started and the taskbar has 'err' printed on it and no screen clicks work? |
| 23:25.53 | blk-majik | nm, it started responding after abotu 10 mins =) |
| 23:38.15 | subdue | anyone know of any command line stuff besides launcher? |
| 23:38.19 | blk-majik | ^ and it was a poorly configured opiemail w8ing to time out |
| 23:38.34 | subdue | I had it doing vlc stuff, but the problem is I can't terminate vlc when it's done |
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| 23:43.18 | Gluon | I'm having a bad time with my CF wifi card. It keeps getting tagged "anonymous memory". |
| 23:43.56 | Gluon | It used to work and occasionally say that, but now it always says that. |
| 23:44.33 | Gluon | Its a hawking brand, based on PRISM chipset, though I'm not sure what version exactly. |
| 23:45.17 | Gluon | It used to get tagged as "Orinco/PRISM" compatible when I inserted it. |
| 23:45.53 | Gluon | This is on 3.5.3 on a 5500. |
| 23:46.03 | Gluon | With Opie. |
| 23:47.35 | Gluon | Can anyone suggest anything? I don't know command line stuff too well, so I don't know what to try. |
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