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02:39.49offroadgeeksince when has kphone/pi been in the opie feed?
02:40.48offroadgeeksometimes I wonder how blind I am...
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03:33.34MamayXorA: have you been able to look into the pocketop with  oz 3.5.3 on poodle  problem
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05:25.06brimstoneis there a xvid player in the package manager for 3.5.3 ?
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06:23.25jdh41morning world
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08:36.00XorAhrw|work: you using sound under 2.6.11?
08:36.23hrw|workyes
08:36.34hrw|workatleast alarms and mp3 sometimes
08:36.40XorAhrw|work: what apps? xine and mp3blaster stutter really badly for me
08:36.57hrw|workxine
08:37.42XorAhrmm, wonder if I missed a kernel upgrade somewhere
08:44.56hrw|workXorA: I just played song in opie-mp2 (using xine)
08:44.58hrw|workworks ok
08:45.17hrw|workwith softsync on
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08:52.26XorAhrw|work: damnation, oh well, Ill have to upgrade
08:52.45XorAhrw|work: that might explain my problems with mplayer testing as well, its using far too much cpu
08:52.47hrw|workXorA: first enable softsync in xine player
09:05.08lardman|busyThe problems people have with collie crashing if they use the package manager - are they related to the size of the lists which are generated after ipkg update?
09:06.25hrw|workmemleak in libipkg? dont know
09:06.49lardman|busyhttp://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=12535&hl=
09:07.04lardman|busyI've seen people talking about both - out of mem and out of root flash
09:07.19lardman|busywould it help to move the package lists to /var?
09:08.28lardman|busyas they aren't really required all the time are they - if you haven't got a connection then you don't need them, so loosing them on reboot isn't a major issue
09:09.44hrw|work<PROTECTED>
09:10.06lardman|busybetter to lose memory than flash space though, assuming the mem leak will be fixed eventually
09:11.01lardman|busyanyone with an AmbiCom WL1100C 802.11b CF-Card?
09:11.15lardman|busywhich driver should it use?
09:11.17hrw|worklardman|busy: its hostap one
09:11.24hrw|workI wrote in thread about it
09:11.38lardman|busythat comes installed doesn't it? (thread on oz.org, or zug?)
09:11.52hrw|workbut pcmcia config does not know it
09:12.01hrw|workhostap are by default
09:12.02hrw|workzug
09:12.09lardman|busyah, needs to be added to the config file then, I'll do a search
09:16.39lardman|busyhrw|work: any hints, I can't find your thread
09:19.06hrw|workhttp://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=12388&st=0&p=79396&#entry79396
09:20.23lardman|busy:), I forgot to refresh the page - sorry
09:20.44hrw|work;)
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11:30.29lardman|busyyay, gpe-image w/ 2.6.12 has finished, finally!
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13:12.23brimstoneis there a xvid player in the package manager for 3.5.3 ?
13:12.55XorAgxine
13:12.59XorAopie-mediaplayer2
13:13.38brimstoneopie-mp2 doesn't play the video for the file
13:13.43brimstoneis there a libxine that i'm missing?
13:14.20XorAbrimstone: you'll need the dmx-avi and a codec for mpeg4
13:14.54brimstonei have the dmx-avi, but where do i get mpeg4 ?
13:15.07brimstoneis that available from the package manager as well?
13:15.23XorAbrimstone: its int he feed somewhere, called avcodec/divx/ffmpeg/xvid or along those lines
13:16.34brimstoneok, i'll have to look again then
13:16.48brimstonethanks XorA !
13:18.46brimstonehmm...
13:19.09XorAmight be decoder-ff
13:19.20brimstonei see a libddmpeg0, but nothing that matches "codec", "divx", "ff", "xvid"
13:19.23brimstoneoh, ok
13:19.59brimstonei see libxine-plugin--decode-ff
13:20.09brimstonei'll have to try that one here in a bit then
13:20.12brimstonethanks!
13:20.45XorAI dont think mplayer made it to the feed
13:21.04brimstonei saw it there last night
13:21.23XorAbrimstone: that'll play xvid then depending what machine you have
13:27.56brimstonei have the 5600
13:28.37XorAbrimstone: mplayer -vo fbdev -vf rotate=1 would play nicely on console then
13:31.29brimstonedo i need the libxine plugin then, if i have mplayer installed?
13:31.41XorAbrimstone: no, mplayer is self contained
13:33.17XorAbloomin eck, it is there afterall
13:34.06brimstonewow, that almost worked
13:34.11brimstonethe mplayer line
13:34.31XorAbrimstone: what went wrong?
13:35.17brimstonethe screen had the mplayer timing numbers in the middle of it
13:35.27brimstoneand the picture was so messed up
13:35.33brimstonebut that's farther then i got last night
13:35.52XorAwhats the res of your video?
13:36.28brimstonenot sure right off
13:36.32brimstonelet me check
13:37.01brimstone.avi: RIFF (little-endian) data, AVI, 624 x 352, 23.98 fps, video: XviD, audio: MPEG-1 Layer 3 (stereo, 48000 Hz)
13:38.01XorAmplayer -vo fbdev -ao oss -ac mad -vf scale=320:240,rotate=1 blah.avi
13:38.42brimstoneok, let me try
13:40.10brimstoneWOW!
13:40.14brimstoneok, sound is perfect
13:40.28brimstonebut the video needs to be rotated and unstretched
13:40.40XorAscale=240:320,rotate=1 try
13:41.55brimstoneyes
13:42.26brimstoneok
13:42.29brimstonebetter
13:42.29lardman|lunchXorA: mplayer-atty is failing requiring X11.so.x, is this normal?
13:42.44Gondolamorning all
13:42.48lardman|busyafternoon
13:42.55brimstoneit's a little stretched still, and still in portit mode
13:42.57XorAlardman|busy: my feed is GPE
13:43.01brimstoneportait
13:43.04Gondolagood afternoon for those of you east of me ;)
13:43.08brimstoneand the video is a little laggy
13:43.20brimstoneand the mplayer timing numbers are in the center of the screen still
13:43.35lardman|busyXorA: mine should be too - I was just going to build it myself as I've got everything else working
13:43.53XorAbrimstone: bugger knows where your timing is coming from, mplayer doesnt install the font it need, have you had an older version from non oz feed
13:44.17lardman|busyXorA: my point is, shouldn't diet-x11 supply those libs (libX11.so.6 and libXext.so.6) to staging?
13:44.23brimstoneit looks like the console is tring to write ontom of mplayer's output
13:44.27brimstone*on top
13:44.30XorAlardman|busy: yeah it should, and does here
13:44.43XorAlardman|busy: ah, you running an OZ .conf file?
13:44.56XorAbrimstone: -reallyquiet
13:44.59lardman|busyXorA: I'm set for openzaurus
13:45.13lardman|busyGondola: How's the GPS coming along?
13:45.32XorAlardman|busy: oz.conf doesnt use diet-x11, build it by hand
13:45.48XorAlardman|busy: oz.conf is missing the preffered provider for it
13:45.51lardman|busyXorA: I've set it to do so in my local.conf
13:46.17Gondolalardman: Well it's still blinking red at me, so it's awake, but I haven't been able to confirm the libusb version... I need to extract the files from the ipk but I haven't been able to do that
13:46.26lardman|busyXorA: I'll set it going and see what happens
13:46.40XorAlardman|busy: the thing gets upset with both X11 and diet-x11, I ended up deleteing /tmp to fix
13:46.43lardman|busyGondola: on the command line do 'ipkg files libusb'
13:46.44brimstoneXorA: is there a way i can make it drop every other frame, or just not decode at a high of quality?
13:46.58XorAbrimstone: -framedrop or -hard-framedrop
13:47.03brimstoneit didn't like -reallyquiet but > /dev/null took care of the numbers on it
13:47.10XorAbrimstone: or maybe -ofps 12
13:47.16lardman|busyXorA: Ah, I think SDL has built X11, I'll look into it, cheers
13:47.44Gondolalardman: http://pastebin.ca/11583
13:48.09XorAhrw|work: oz.org has just gone down, "Error establishing a database connection"
13:48.09Gondolathose version numbers just don't seem right
13:48.11lardman|busyGondola: they're all there aren't they
13:48.26brimstoneit didn't like -hard-framedrop or -ofps 12
13:48.31lardman|busyGondola: in what way?
13:48.35brimstoneand -framedrop just makes it worse
13:48.42XorAbrimstone: gimme a sec
13:49.02brimstonesure thing
13:49.08Gondolawell the source file for libusb says it's 0.1.10a or whatever... but the ones on the machine are 0.1.so.4.4.2? I'm not understanding how they're equivalent
13:49.25XorAbrimstone: -hardframedrop is right
13:49.30hrw|workXorA: I just was there and it was working
13:50.17XorAhrw|work: its dead now
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13:50.25XorAhrw|work: and back alive
13:50.39XorAmust be sf having a tiz
13:50.52hrw|work~shoot rboot author for 'comming soon...' in root-on-sd
13:50.53ibotACTION shoots rboot author for 'comming soon...' in root-on-sd in the head with a frozen turkey cannon!
13:51.02hrw|workibot: good
13:51.03ibotextra, extra, read all about it, good is a verb
13:51.21lardman|busy?
13:51.27lardman|busyibot needs grammar lessons
13:52.49lardman|busyGondola: probably refers to the bit before the .so - don't worry about it anyway - it built the right files and installed them, and it's working as it would have failed earlier otherwise
13:53.01Gondolalardman: ok
13:53.26XorAbrimstone: mplayer doesnt react well when you drop too many frames though, your best bet is to look at http://openzaurus.org/wordpress/howto/encoding-and-playing-video-for-c7x0-devices/ and read the comment by alan, that will make videos that play nicely on a 5600
13:53.39lardman|busyGondola: did you see my comment about how the rmmod on the hid module could fail (silently) which looks to be where your error is coming from with emul_test
13:53.45Gondolalardman: so, libusb is there, libemul is there, gpsd says it's version 2.20 so I'm assuming it's the right one... so it should work
13:54.24Gondolalardman: yeah, when I did an rmmod on hid is when things started working yesterday.. at least to get the gps woke up.. but communiation with the gps and gpsd is still not working
13:54.26lardman|busyGondola: yes (though probably not with qpegps), just make sure the hid module is removed
13:54.52lardman|busyGondola: if you rmmod the hid module, what does emaul_test do?
13:54.58lardman|busys/emaul/emul
13:55.27Gondolalardman: hmm it's saying device is busy right now
13:55.39brimstoneXorA: after i Menu->Terminal->1, how do i get back?
13:55.44XorAchvt 2
13:56.14brimstoneok, thanks
13:57.54Gondolalardman: rebooting
13:58.18lardman|busyGondola: grab the emul source code (http://download.berlios.de/emul/emul-1.0.5.tar.gz), look through to see where the message comes from
13:58.52lardman|busyGondola: you might want the libusb source too (http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/libusb/libusb-0.1.10a.tar.gz)
13:59.25lardman|busyGondola: make sure it gets past the removing the hid module part (which is where it stopped last time)
13:59.26Rupert-GilesBuy RHAT @ 45 1/8 nov 1999
13:59.32Rupert-Gilesheh
13:59.58lardman|busyGondola: that's what I did yesterday to try to work out where it was failing
14:01.43GondolaI'd love to have a startup script that goes a little something like this: "if zaurus is on external power source, boot up with the damn wireless enabled"
14:04.59Gondolalardman: ok, did lsmod hid.. tried to fire up gpsd, but no luck on waking up the gps.. sirfmon won't sync up with device.. I know emul_test will wake up the device, but I shouldn't *need* that... there's something emul_test is doing that none of the other progs are doing
14:05.36Gondolaok, I ran emul_test, and the gps is awake
14:07.14lardman|busyemul_test worked?
14:08.45Gondolalardman: it woke the gps.. but that's it.. no other output except what I type.. it goes into a sort of terminal mode
14:09.56lardman|busyGondola: perhaps that's what it's supposed to do, I don't know
14:10.22lardman|busyGondola: have a look at the souce for it - it's just one file
14:11.23Gondolalardman: yeah I'm trying to read it, but I'm not much on C...it looks like it sits in the terminal mode until it receives a sigint, then it's supposed to dump line info and exit
14:16.02lardman|busyGondola: looks like it just returns its serial settings
14:16.50Gondolais ttys0 the sync port on the z?
14:17.22lardman|busyGondola: sync? you mean the hardware serial port?
14:18.03Gondolayeah
14:18.11lardman|busyttyS0 I think
14:19.27lardman|busydoes sirfmon do anything?
14:19.49Gondolalardman: well, after I killed emul_test, emul_test won't run successfully again...Device or resource busy
14:19.50lardman|busywith emate as the argument
14:20.16lardman|busyGondola: try removing and then re-inserting the gps
14:20.23lardman|busyGondola: and rmmod the hid module again
14:21.54Gondolalardman: ok, dc/rc the gps.. hid didn't show back up
14:21.57Gondolaemul_test still fails
14:22.23Gondolaoh wait, no.. sirfmon fails
14:22.47lardman|busyoh well, restart the usb subsystem them - not quite sure how though (reboot!) - how did you kill emaul_test sigquit?
14:24.07Gondolakilled it with a -2
14:24.13Gondolanow it won't die though
14:24.27Gondolathis time it's different.. before it would echo all my input, now it's not
14:24.41Gondolactrl-c and ctrl-d are ignored
14:24.58Gondolabizarre
14:25.41lardman|busyIn the while (!quit) loop it should spit out data I think
14:26.02lardman|busythen after it receives quit (where from? - is this a signal), it should tell you what the serial settings are
14:26.18lardman|busythen close the usb device and exit
14:26.18Gondolalook like it's looking for SIGINT to get out of that loop
14:26.32Gondola(void) signal(SIGINT, handlesig);
14:27.43Gondolawell... rebooting
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14:35.46Gondolaok, after reboot.. attempted sirfmon and emul_test w/o removing hid, no luck.. removed hid, and sirfmon still fails but emul_test is back to its normal operation... it just echoes every line I send back at it, like it's a terminal... no other output
14:36.08Gondolaand gps is awake, blinking red
14:36.19lardman|busythat probably is the terminal, as it shouldn't accept anything anyway
14:36.59Gondolaroot@tosa:/home/gondola# emul_test d8
14:36.59Gondolaem_open - Successfuly opened device.
14:36.59GondolaDevice successfuly opened.
14:37.14Gondolaand that's it
14:37.53Gondolafunny thing is, there's 3 emul_test processes in my process list
14:37.56lardman|busyI just had a browse through the code, and it will sit there not printing out if nothing's being sent
14:38.17lardman|busyit spawns a thread to do the reading, that might be why
14:39.46lardman|busyhow does sirfmon fail?
14:40.03Gondolacan't sync up with device
14:40.48Gondolaoops, just killed my Z... I hit ctrl-c in the emul_test session
14:41.24Gondolarebooting
14:41.44lardman|busyok
14:41.57lardman|busywhat was the exact error message with sirfmon?
14:42.28Gondolaclosed my terms, I'll tell you when it comes back up
14:42.33lardman|busyok
14:43.14lardman|busygrep sirfmon.c, and see if you can work out where the failure occurs
14:43.39Gondolaroot@tosa:/home/gondola# sirfmon emate
14:43.39GondolaCan't sync up with device!
14:43.54GondolaI had to create a dummy file named emate too
14:44.00lardman|busywhy?
14:44.01Gondolait wanted a file
14:44.16lardman|busyas the input?
14:44.35Gondolayeah.. if I do "sirfmon emate" with no emate file, it says No such file or directory
14:44.55lardman|busyinteresting:  if (strcmp(argv[1], "emate") == 0)
14:44.55lardman|busy<PROTECTED>
14:45.25lardman|busydoesn't that mean that if it's not emate, it set the GPS to be an EMATE?
14:46.29Gondolanot sure on the syntax of strcmp
14:46.53lardman|busythe only way it goes to bailout: is if !em_isemate() is true
14:47.10Gondolaso I should set it to anything but emate?
14:47.15lardman|busyah, no, not quite true
14:47.23lardman|busytry it and see
14:47.25lardman|busycan't hurt
14:47.36Gondolahmm still asking for a file
14:48.23lardman|busyit's going to the wrong bit of code then
14:48.25Gondolajust tried it with a couple serial devices... ttyS0 and ttyS1.. it cycles through baud rates and bit stop settings
14:48.43Gondolalike; sirfmon /dev/ttyS0  and sirfmon /dev/ttyS1
14:48.50Gondolaroot@tosa:~# sirfmon /dev/ttyS0
14:48.50GondolaHunting at speed 4800, 8N1
14:49.12GondolattyS1 gets a lot of hunt lines... different baud rates etc
14:49.17lardman|busyah strcmp returns 0 if the two are the same, my mistake
14:49.44lardman|busyit should work with 'emul_test emate'
14:50.00lardman|busyyou're not sticking a trailing space on are you?
14:50.09Gondolanope
14:50.09lardman|busynot sure if that makes any difference
14:50.40Gondolayou mean sirfmon emate?
14:51.05lardman|busyyeah, sorry
14:51.56lardman|busyGod only knows, I'll add some printfs when I get back from coffee and give you the new file
14:52.05lardman|busythen we can try to see what it's doing
14:52.42Gondolano worries
14:52.56lardman|busyOr if you want to do that now while I'm away, then I'll grab the file from you and compile it when I get back - quicker that way
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14:54.54GondolaI need to bail out for a few actually... shower and maybe a bit to eat
15:14.21CoreDump|home~akita
15:14.22ibotakita is probably the Sharp SL-C1000, or a dog
15:15.16XorA~skaarj
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15:35.26lardman|busyGondola|lunch: try http://students.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/Zaurus/emul/sirfmon.debug
15:36.15hrw|workbye
15:36.19lardman|busybye
15:42.23Gondola|lunchlardman:
15:42.23Gondola|lunchroot@tosa:/home/gondola# ./sirfmon.debug emate
15:42.23Gondola|lunchis EmateHunting at speed 4800, 8N1
15:42.35Gondola|lunchgps is active, blinking red
15:42.47lardman|busywell at least we know the code works then
15:42.48Gondola|lunchno other output
15:43.05lardman|busyit's looking to see what the current serial params are I think
15:43.52lardman|busyIt should keep printing out those hunting comments though
15:43.59lardman|busyunless it found the right one
15:44.01Gondola|lunchhow hard would it be for me to set up an oz 353 compile environment?
15:44.42lardman|busyNot too hard, you can either grab OE, or I think there's an SDK on the oz.org download page - just grab that and you can be compiling pretty quickly I'd reckon
15:45.40lardman|busyshould goto locations be followed by a ; ?
15:46.14Gondola|lunchnot sure, I always thought goto's were anathema :P
15:47.07lardman|busywell there are some in sirfmon.c
15:47.48Gondola|lunchyeah... vc++ 2005 doesn't see them as syntax errors.. that's what I'm using to view sirfmon.c
15:48.11lardman|busyinteresting
15:48.32lardman|busyanyway, it appears to get to rate_ok:, then must get stuck somewhere after that
15:48.32Gondola|lunchhmm well, I changed it to a colon, and then removed it.. I guess it doesn't really parse it for correctness
15:49.13lardman|busyIt compiled ok with it there, I removed it and recompiled and replaced the .debug binary (I wouldn't think it'll make much difference but you could always try)
15:49.26lardman|busy'q' to quit
15:49.30lardman|busyso it says
15:51.00Gondola|lunchq to quit didn't work
15:51.17lardman|busyhasn't got to the part of the loop where it's looking for keypresses then
15:51.22lardman|busyor even to the loop
15:59.28Gondola|lunchlardman, I'm going to try to install the SDK so I can play with debugging etc on my own so I don't consume all your time
15:59.34lardman|busycool
16:06.02lardman|busythe sdk seems very small - what's in it>
16:06.03lardman|busy?
16:06.36Gondola|lunchI'm looking at the OZ site, still... reading about bitbake etc
16:07.34lardman|busytake a look at openembedded.org
16:08.08Gondola|lunchnod, that's where I am
16:08.21lardman|busyAh, I see - the SDK is a snapshot of openembedded
16:09.20lardman|busyIt'll take a while to build the toolchain (and glibc) so you may still be a day or so away from starting debugging
16:09.58lardman|busyIf you want to make changes to the code, I can re-compile it (it's on a different machine so it's not a major issue)
16:11.12Gondola|lunchok, thanks
16:11.13lardman|busybut get OE up and building too
16:13.04Gondola|lunchdownloading the oe sdk now
16:24.23lardman|busyRight, I'm off now
16:24.45Gondola|lunchok, thanks again for your help
16:24.46lardman|busyGood luck with setting up OE
16:24.50lardman|busynp
16:24.53lardman|busybye all
16:24.53Gondola|lunchbye
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16:40.20alanhi !
16:40.52Gondolahi
16:41.16alanGondola: is your problem solved ?
16:42.49Gondolano, not yet... working on it, though
16:43.40alanok
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18:22.56Ratatuhi all
18:23.13Ratatuwhat's with this pxa255 kernel in 3.5.3 release folder?
18:23.31Ratatuor better yet, how can i tell if i need one?
18:23.32Ratatu:)
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19:27.20alanpfioooo... what a noise in here... ^^
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19:48.02lardmanEvening all
19:48.40lardmanI enabled usbfs in my latest ROM image, but no /proc/bus/usb
19:48.41lardmanhow should I test whether it's there or not?
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19:54.20T-RuXHi to all!
19:54.21T-RuX;)
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19:56.02lardmanhi
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19:57.01alanhi
20:02.15lardmannight all
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20:26.45alanis rthere really nothing new today ? I know hard work ahas already been done, but hey, no move here for 4 hours...
20:28.38jh_umm... ok: I have a patch for keypebble on the C1000 that fixes an Enter button issue.  how 'bout that? :)
20:41.03alanjh_: yeah, that is good news.
20:41.25alanwell, for c1000 users, at least...
20:42.21alando you know Paf the Dog's storry ?
20:42.34alanPaf the Dog crosses the road, a car comes
20:42.42alanand Paf the dog
20:42.45alan^^
20:42.53alanstupid french joke
20:43.05jh_I agree :)
20:43.18subduein 'getting started', why do they have you cd to bitbake and run svn ...?
20:43.30subduethat creates a bitbake/bitbake directory
20:43.43subduehttp://openembedded.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/GettingStarted
20:47.04jh_subdue:  dunno. maybe you're supposed to put your build dirs in the top bitbake dir
20:48.02subdueah well, I guess I'll just follow it and it'll make sense later
20:49.03subduealthough ... the path that follows doesn't make sense if it was that way
20:49.23subdueeg: export PATH=/stuff/bitbake/bin:$PATH
20:49.31subduethat already makes it not correct
20:49.32jh_subdue: yep
20:50.11subduehrm ... you're already into this stuff, right?
20:50.39subdueany chance I could see your directory structure for this?
20:51.16jh_sure
20:51.50jh_but i'm actually using bitbake from gentoo so it's installed in /usr/bin
20:51.56subdueah
20:52.16jh_but for the other stuff: I have one main dir, /data/zaurus/openembedded/
20:52.28jh_inside that is another openembedded dir which is the result of the bk pull
20:52.44jh_then I have all my build directories in /data/zaurus/openembedded
20:53.16jh_"all my build directories" really just means a dir dedicated to akita and a dir dedicated to collie builds
20:53.38subdueI was bothered by having stuff in /stuff, so I put it in /usr/local/stuff (creating /stuff meant I'd have everything in the / partition)
20:53.53jh_i have a bash script that switches my BBPATH var based on what device i'm compiling for
20:54.01subdueok, that makes sense
20:54.14jh_yeah, /data is a drive on its own
20:54.39jh_each build dir has its own tmp directory, and there's one main sources directory that al the builds share
20:54.55jh_each build dir also has its own conf dir, of course, with a local.conf
20:55.53subdueok
20:57.09jh_put your "stuff" dir wherever you have the most disk space :)
20:58.02jh_you can also tune in to #oe which is the openembedded channel.
20:58.16subdueok
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21:04.46alani will sometday have a look into compiling things for OZ. How much hdd space will i need for this ?
21:06.17jh_~3-6gb or so
21:06.43alanoki.
21:06.46alanthx
21:07.17alanbed time for me now
21:07.18alannight !
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21:07.53subdueum ... 3-6G? uh oh. I'll have to add another hd on this small thing then :)
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21:16.32overflowZany one syncing with kdepim
21:16.47overflowZi can sync contacts great
21:17.03overflowZbut  calendar isnt working
21:17.10overflowZspot on though
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21:57.25subduethere doesn't seem to be a 'bk update' flag
22:04.16subduenm, it probably refers to the read-only client
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22:08.53meth0sis kitchensync functional for synching with opie?

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