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| 00:16.39 | imk | whos the damn genius who made the right arrow suspend? thats lame... editing files is a pain in the ass because it suspends and wont resume |
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| 00:45.27 | subdue | it only suspends if you hold it down for longer than 3 seconds |
| 00:45.42 | subdue | just tap it one key at a time rather than holding it down |
| 01:07.53 | imk | yeah, thats kind of an annoyance though, is there a way to disable that? |
| 01:19.01 | subdue | it's a known bug that they wont fix afaik |
| 01:19.09 | subdue | since it involved the 2.4 kernel |
| 01:27.42 | imk | =/ |
| 01:38.09 | subdue | the effort is for 2.6, rather than 2.4 bugs |
| 01:48.17 | imk | yeah... |
| 01:49.17 | imk | is there some trick to getting adhoc to work in OZ? i set the ssid, channel, ip... on the computer i set it to the same ssid, channel, different ip... it says theyre connected and acts like it, but i cant ping either computer or do anything |
| 02:06.10 | subdue | I think there was a wireless fix somewhere, not sure. check ZUG - I recall reading something about it |
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| 06:40.35 | brimstone | how do i get opie to refresh the icons like the packagemanager does after you install something? |
| 06:41.34 | brimstone | also, anyone else notice how the openzaurus.org site doesn't work quite right in konqurer-embedded? |
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| 10:03.59 | brimstone | which lib do i install to get mplayer to play divx files? |
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| 10:16.02 | alan_ | hi everyone. It's sunday, the sun is shinning here in France, and i wish a good day to all of you ! |
| 10:29.04 | Rupert-Giles | ehh ok... |
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| 11:01.30 | alan_ | Rupert-Giles: yeah, i feel happy today ^^ |
| 11:03.14 | Rupert-Giles | ok... |
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| 11:48.55 | mimecar | hi |
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| 11:50.31 | mimecar | hi alan_ |
| 12:02.01 | darmou | does dotgnu have a zaurus ipkg? |
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| 13:00.25 | digitalwulf | Hello |
| 13:00.42 | digitalwulf | here how to use mysql on zaurus with freepascal: |
| 13:00.43 | digitalwulf | http://www.freepascal.org/wiki/index.php/MySQL_on_Zaurus |
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| 13:22.54 | alan_ | is there any latex/lyx port to openzaurus ? |
| 13:23.44 | alan_ | i never seen such a thing anywhere... might be a good idea... not an _easy_ one, but a good one. |
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| 14:00.23 | B0Ti | alan_: latex is non-gui, so you just need to compile it for the Z (make an .bb for OE). Lyx is for X. |
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| 14:25.30 | alan_ | i come back in a sec |
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| 14:41.25 | lardman | afternoon |
| 14:41.32 | CoreDump|home | hi lardman |
| 14:41.40 | lardman | Hi CoreDump |
| 14:41.52 | lardman | B0Ti: I tried out the cfu1 |
| 14:43.53 | lardman | What should a mass storage device show up as (under /dev) with 2.6.12? |
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| 15:04.05 | B0Ti | lardman: usb-storage is scsi, so it would be sd[a-d] |
| 15:04.17 | B0Ti | dmesg will tell you. |
| 15:07.12 | B0Ti | lardman: I also fixed that hub disconnect bug I told you yesterday. |
| 15:07.16 | lardman | dmesg didn't, hang on and I'll post the output |
| 15:07.26 | lardman | good - I got that one - killed my Z |
| 15:08.35 | B0Ti | lardman: grab the new driver from my site. |
| 15:08.43 | lardman | will do |
| 15:08.57 | lardman | I also had an oops when I first inserted the card |
| 15:09.07 | B0Ti | hmm. |
| 15:09.24 | lardman | I couldn't mount usbfs - is that normal |
| 15:09.25 | lardman | ? |
| 15:09.49 | B0Ti | if usbcore is loaded, you should be able to mount it. |
| 15:09.56 | lardman | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:10.38 | lardman | http://students.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/Zaurus/usb_results/ |
| 15:11.02 | lardman | If you sort them by date order you'll see what I did |
| 15:11.29 | B0Ti | if the hub is not initialized, then bus/usb might be empty |
| 15:11.58 | lardman | no, it was fine - the usb mass storage key was inserted and recognised, but still nothing |
| 15:12.06 | lardman | I'll try again later on |
| 15:13.49 | B0Ti | lardman: you have sd_mod? |
| 15:13.59 | lardman | no, I dont think I do |
| 15:14.16 | lardman | or rather I have it, but didn't install it |
| 15:14.30 | lardman | shame the drivers won't complain about missing deps |
| 15:15.42 | B0Ti | lardman: you don't have usbfs mounted in that mount output. Should say: |
| 15:15.44 | B0Ti | none on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw) |
| 15:17.22 | lardman | true, I did have it mouted though as I remember seeing it |
| 15:17.34 | lardman | I'll have to check, I may have messed up and not had anything plugged in |
| 15:17.48 | lardman | when I looked in /proc/bus/usb |
| 15:18.29 | lardman | There's an issue with spca5xx I'll have to look into |
| 15:18.44 | lardman | is there a v4l kernel module - that might be it |
| 15:18.52 | lardman | hindsight is a wonderful thing ;) |
| 15:19.53 | lardman | what's the sysrq key? |
| 15:20.57 | B0Ti | [zen-han] + [home] |
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| 15:21.27 | lardman | where [zen-han] is the left key? |
| 15:21.39 | alan_ | hi lardman ! |
| 15:21.39 | B0Ti | the right key |
| 15:21.44 | lardman | ok |
| 15:21.47 | lardman | hi alan_ |
| 15:23.05 | B0Ti | lardman: your logs look okay, except for that OOPS. I know where that came from, it will need a bit of a rewrite. Already discussing on linux-usb@ with the sl811-hcd author. |
| 15:23.39 | lardman | cool, I guess the reason I couldn't mount the mass storage is that I was lacking sd_mod |
| 15:24.32 | B0Ti | lardman: and test with the latest driver. From your logs, it looks like cardctl is trying to load the ./usb script and I have fixed that a couple days ago already! |
| 15:25.17 | B0Ti | module dependency calculation should be nice in OE, the guys said it will be added sometime soon. |
| 15:26.32 | B0Ti | lardman: what's spca5xx for? |
| 15:26.42 | lardman | For a webcam |
| 15:26.47 | lardman | the kodak ez200 |
| 15:26.56 | B0Ti | usb? |
| 15:26.58 | lardman | I did use your new driver - I downloaded it yesterday |
| 15:27.02 | lardman | yep |
| 15:27.11 | B0Ti | you have too many toys :) |
| 15:27.31 | lardman | it came free with my old pc about 5 years ago - not cutting edge :) |
| 15:27.36 | lardman | but a start |
| 15:28.18 | B0Ti | is it powered? |
| 15:28.38 | lardman | bus powered - my usb hub is powered |
| 15:29.22 | B0Ti | but for a webcam I'm not sure if the power from the cfu1 is enough. |
| 15:29.33 | lardman | no, my cfu1 is connected to a powered hub, the hub powers everything |
| 15:29.48 | lardman | except for the bit between it and the Z |
| 15:29.55 | B0Ti | oh, if you have an external hub which is powered than it should be fine. |
| 15:30.30 | B0Ti | My hub is bus powered. |
| 15:30.44 | lardman | Sorry, I meant the camera is bus powered |
| 15:31.01 | lardman | and the hub is powered by a mains adaptor |
| 15:31.18 | B0Ti | i see now. |
| 15:31.51 | lardman | that's the reason I bought the powered hub - so the camera would work, plus I was feeling sorry for my Z's battery life |
| 15:32.47 | lardman | have you got a copy of usbutils? |
| 15:34.17 | B0Ti | nope. |
| 15:34.45 | lardman | I need some info about what my other random devices are - it's in OE, I'll compile it now |
| 15:35.00 | lardman | Assuming usbfs mounts ok |
| 15:35.09 | lardman | Otherwise it won't work |
| 15:35.21 | B0Ti | i'll want if if you have the package. |
| 15:36.50 | lardman | should be built in a minute or two |
| 15:37.29 | lardman | you got libusb? |
| 15:38.27 | lardman | http://students.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/Zaurus/temp |
| 15:38.37 | B0Ti | no |
| 15:38.46 | lardman | let me know when you've grabbed them and I'll get rid of the dir to save my (limited) webspace |
| 15:43.37 | B0Ti | i got them, thanx |
| 15:44.56 | lardman | np |
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| 16:08.35 | alan_ | B0Ti: i'd like to know more about the strucute of .bb files. could you help me to find an explanation, please ? |
| 16:12.13 | lardman | What do you need to know alan_? |
| 16:14.00 | alan_ | i'd like to prepare some bb files. I don't have a building machine ready for now, but it will come |
| 16:15.36 | lardman | What kind of thing are you going to build? What are the programs? |
| 16:18.52 | alan_ | i don't know. i want to learn. |
| 16:19.08 | alan_ | simple progs for a beggining. |
| 16:19.23 | alan_ | then, we'll see |
| 16:19.28 | alan_ | ^^ |
| 16:20.34 | lardman | http://students.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/Zaurus/emul/gpsd is one I did the other day - based on gpsd |
| 16:21.13 | lardman | You need the DESCRIPTION, SECTION, PRIORITY, MAINTAINER< DEPENDS and LICENSE fileds |
| 16:21.23 | lardman | s/fileds/fields |
| 16:21.47 | lardman | You don't need PR - which is program revision, something like that |
| 16:22.02 | alan_ | so from the bb file, bitbake (?) downloads the sources and compiles ? |
| 16:22.03 | B0Ti | lardman: I got dependency errors: |
| 16:22.04 | B0Ti | ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for libusb: |
| 16:22.04 | B0Ti | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:22.16 | lardman | you need 'inherit autotools' (for a normal program), it would be something else for kernel modules, etc. |
| 16:22.22 | B0Ti | should I --force it ? |
| 16:22.42 | lardman | hmm, do you have libgcc and stdc++ of some version? |
| 16:23.03 | B0Ti | 3.4.3-r10 |
| 16:23.24 | lardman | Yep, force it |
| 16:23.42 | lardman | alan_: actually take a look at the .bb for octave - that's really simple |
| 16:24.10 | B0Ti | it was good I didn't start building usbutils cos it would be still rebuilding gcc... |
| 16:24.29 | lardman | alan_: the do_*() parts, allow you to override the defeult build behaviour and make changes to the way the files are configured, compiled and packaged (amongst other things) |
| 16:24.55 | lardman | B0Ti: it might have just taken your version, that you have already |
| 16:26.19 | B0Ti | # lsusb |
| 16:26.19 | B0Ti | Bus 001 Device 004: ID 03eb:3301 Atmel Corp. 4-port Hub |
| 16:26.24 | B0Ti | works fine. |
| 16:26.26 | lardman | cool |
| 16:26.27 | alan_ | lardman: ok. thanks for infos. So all this is for now over my skills, but i'm ready to learn, and so i WILL build my first prog this summer. |
| 16:27.06 | alan_ | got to keep on working |
| 16:27.08 | lardman | alan_: if you just fill in the header parts, and the SRC_URI (which is where the source is downloaded from), then try a bitbake -b on it |
| 16:27.20 | lardman | alan_: then add parts as you need as it fails |
| 16:27.32 | B0Ti | alan_: you should first understand how to build a regular program from source. |
| 16:27.51 | lardman | good point - how configure then make then make install are used |
| 16:28.24 | alan_ | lardman & B0Ti : i admitt i use this without understanding very well what they do. |
| 16:28.30 | lardman | Actually I'm a bit surprised there's no step by step on the oe website for writing a new package |
| 16:28.44 | B0Ti | most of the time you will start building it outside OE, and if you know how to configure/make/install it, then you can start with the .bb |
| 16:28.50 | lardman | Actually, iirc, Mickeyl did a step-by-step in the latest newsletter didn't he? |
| 16:29.44 | B0Ti | that wasn't the latest (2005-01) |
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| 16:30.15 | lardman | yeah, the latest is a bit compilcated |
| 16:31.08 | lardman | http://openzaurus.org/wordpress/newsletters/200406/ |
| 16:31.14 | lardman | gpe-filemanager |
| 16:31.16 | inPherno | kde on the zaurus: http://www.flexibyte.com/zaurus/openbsd/kdeonzaurus.jpg |
| 16:31.19 | inPherno | :) |
| 16:31.37 | inPherno | sorry about the poor photo... hard to get good focus |
| 16:31.58 | lardman | cool, how fast does it run? |
| 16:32.32 | inPherno | parts of it run pretty quick... but certain things, such as switching desktop background take a loong time :) |
| 16:32.32 | B0Ti | inPherno: why don't you take the stickers off? ;) |
| 16:32.41 | inPherno | i like the stickers :P |
| 16:32.49 | alan_ | ^^ |
| 16:33.17 | B0Ti | then it must slow as hell. |
| 16:33.24 | B0Ti | :) |
| 16:33.28 | inPherno | not slow as hell |
| 16:33.32 | inPherno | im using openbsd |
| 16:33.33 | alan_ | if you want to throw them away, then me the 4gig one... that will make me dream a bit... |
| 16:33.37 | inPherno | which is very very fast |
| 16:33.38 | lardman | alan_: there's a start of a newbie style HowTo add packages here: http://openembedded.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/bb_20file |
| 16:33.51 | alan_ | lardman: cool. thanks |
| 16:33.55 | inPherno | X11 runs waaaay faster on openbsd than on that debian crap |
| 16:34.21 | lardman | alan_: it's very bare-bones though, perhaps you could add some more info once you get building |
| 16:34.23 | B0Ti | inPherno: obsd on the Z? |
| 16:34.29 | inPherno | yes |
| 16:34.34 | B0Ti | cool |
| 16:34.50 | inPherno | http://www.openbsd.org/zaurus.html |
| 16:34.59 | B0Ti | and what's the debian crap? |
| 16:35.04 | inPherno | no official release, but the snapshot runs great |
| 16:35.16 | inPherno | u can run debian under chroot on the sharp rom |
| 16:35.23 | inPherno | but its too slow to be of too much use |
| 16:35.30 | inPherno | openbsd runs great tho |
| 16:35.59 | lardman | This line from the web page: "Shortly after Sharp unveiled its first Zaurus machines, some OpenBSD developers started dreaming of running OpenBSD on it, to have the smallest possible ssh-capable machine!" |
| 16:36.08 | lardman | It was already ssh capable |
| 16:36.12 | inPherno | i know |
| 16:36.12 | inPherno | lol |
| 16:36.14 | B0Ti | :) |
| 16:36.32 | inPherno | im hoping to compile gnome tonight |
| 16:36.48 | lardman | what kernel are you running? |
| 16:36.54 | B0Ti | inPherno: does the 3k have a bootloader? |
| 16:36.57 | inPherno | the openbsd kernel |
| 16:36.59 | inPherno | yes |
| 16:37.02 | inPherno | well |
| 16:37.10 | B0Ti | grub or lilo? |
| 16:37.11 | inPherno | it does if u run openbsd heh |
| 16:37.37 | inPherno | openbsd comes with a bootloader which looks similar to lilo |
| 16:38.28 | B0Ti | yeh, but how does the sharp "bios" know what to load? You flash it like the rest of the zauri, right? |
| 16:38.38 | lardman | How good is openBSD in general - as opposed to using Linux? |
| 16:39.02 | inPherno | ive never used openbsd until now... but it seems great... im almost considering using it on my desktop pc |
| 16:39.09 | inPherno | the ports system is cool |
| 16:39.56 | inPherno | B0Ti: i dont know how the bootloader works |
| 16:40.19 | inPherno | im prolly never gonna boot into linux on my zaurus again |
| 16:40.30 | inPherno | so the bootloader is useless to me anyway ;) |
| 16:40.51 | B0Ti | inPherno: until you get toys like we have, that obsd doesn't support. |
| 16:40.53 | lardman | the ports thing is like having OE on your Zaurus? |
| 16:41.10 | inPherno | dunno? |
| 16:41.15 | B0Ti | like gentoo on your Z i guess. |
| 16:41.21 | inPherno | yeah |
| 16:41.36 | lardman | It's a short set of instructions which tell the buildsystem where to get source, what to do it to it make it work |
| 16:41.54 | inPherno | its like a package manager, but for source |
| 16:42.11 | lardman | It does what OE does for us |
| 16:42.22 | lardman | manages and builds the binary packages |
| 16:42.23 | inPherno | so all the ports for other bsd systems work on the zaurus |
| 16:42.32 | B0Ti | inPherno: did you build KDE on your Z? I guess not ;) |
| 16:42.43 | inPherno | yeah |
| 16:42.49 | B0Ti | from src? |
| 16:42.52 | inPherno | and im building gnome tonight |
| 16:42.53 | inPherno | yes |
| 16:43.01 | lardman | inPherno: really, ports for other BSD platforms work without any modifications? |
| 16:43.05 | B0Ti | holy crap. |
| 16:43.14 | inPherno | all it takes is: cd /usr/ports/x11/kde/ && make install |
| 16:43.24 | inPherno | thanks to bsd's cool ports system |
| 16:43.34 | inPherno | yes lardman |
| 16:43.52 | lardman | what about more difficult packages? |
| 16:44.02 | lardman | Those with endianness, or asm? |
| 16:44.18 | inPherno | as far as i know ports handles everything |
| 16:44.25 | lardman | hmm, interesting |
| 16:44.30 | B0Ti | go build openoffice + mozilla + gnome and come back when you finish (in a week) :> |
| 16:44.40 | inPherno | lol |
| 16:45.06 | inPherno | ya... but when u compile, it generates a binary package... which can be made available for other ppl to download |
| 16:45.21 | inPherno | so one 1 person needs to build something and everyone else can just install |
| 16:45.36 | lardman | can you post the port for quake? |
| 16:45.45 | lardman | so we can see what it looks like |
| 16:45.58 | B0Ti | lardman: it's running ./configure with predefined switches. |
| 16:46.23 | lardman | actually don't worry, I just saw this: "Using Ports |
| 16:46.23 | lardman | If a given package does not exist for your architecture, you may still be able to compile the port. Besides, some users will want to compile everything from source for various reasons." |
| 16:46.41 | lardman | that's reassuring, I thought there was some magic going on |
| 16:46.47 | inPherno | :) |
| 16:47.02 | lardman | most ports will be similar, but I imagine some will be different (see my asm/endianness comment) |
| 16:47.19 | inPherno | http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/ports/ |
| 16:47.39 | inPherno | u can just grab all that with cvs and plonk it in /usr/ports/ |
| 16:47.52 | inPherno | then make install in any of the folders and itll do its work |
| 16:48.59 | inPherno | my zaurus compiling gaim :): http://www.flexibyte.com/zaurus/openbsd/openbsdonzaurus.jpg |
| 16:49.04 | inPherno | and: http://www.flexibyte.com/zaurus/openbsd/openbsdonzaurus2.jpg |
| 16:49.15 | inPherno | thats a better photo |
| 16:49.19 | inPherno | inside xfce |
| 16:49.35 | B0Ti | ~lart inPherno for ugly stickers |
| 16:50.12 | lardman | What about something like xwolf? |
| 16:50.19 | lardman | not in the ports dir, full of asm |
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| 16:50.55 | lardman | This ports thing is exactly the same as what we use - except that be cross-compile on a desktop |
| 16:51.02 | lardman | s/be/we |
| 16:51.11 | lardman | It's a good idea |
| 16:51.28 | lardman | I presume the openBSD kernel is open-source? |
| 16:52.21 | inPherno | i guess |
| 16:52.33 | inPherno | available in the cvs i think |
| 16:55.49 | lardman | Interesting stuff |
| 16:55.58 | B0Ti | http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html#BldGetSrc |
| 16:56.13 | lardman | yep, that's th stuff I was just reading :) |
| 16:58.02 | B0Ti | linux is good enough for me |
| 16:58.36 | lardman | That's what I was thinking |
| 16:58.48 | lardman | There doesn't seem to be much in depth info about openBSD |
| 16:58.55 | lardman | not that I could find with a quick google |
| 16:59.19 | inPherno | yeah... but openbsd is very similar to any unix system |
| 16:59.37 | lardman | yes, but I've not used unix for a long while |
| 16:59.45 | inPherno | infact, everything that i know about linux still applies to openbsd |
| 17:00.24 | lardman | the thing the web pages keep stressing is that openBSD is very secure |
| 17:00.41 | lardman | does that mean that development is slow(ish)? |
| 17:00.45 | inPherno | bsd has always been good for small systems according to my dad |
| 17:00.51 | B0Ti | linux is secure too, if you configure it well. |
| 17:00.56 | inPherno | far from slow |
| 17:01.15 | inPherno | B0Ti: but openbsd is secure out of the box :) |
| 17:01.18 | lardman | B0Ti: yes, I was just commenting on what the FAQ was stressing |
| 17:02.22 | inPherno | heh... the zaurus info page on openbsd.org talks about ssh in your pocket being something revelutionary! they seem to be ignoring the fact that i, and im sure other ppl are running kde :) |
| 17:02.31 | inPherno | now THATS something to talk about |
| 17:02.52 | B0Ti | :) |
| 17:03.28 | B0Ti | that's why I never liked theo and those folks... |
| 17:03.28 | inPherno | the zaurus still functions nicely while compiling, too |
| 17:04.03 | B0Ti | secure out of the box, but still they had a couple remote roots, not to mention the openssh crap. |
| 17:04.11 | lardman | how are kernel modules handled? Are they even used? |
| 17:04.18 | lardman | is the kernel monolithic? |
| 17:04.25 | inPherno | dont know |
| 17:04.39 | inPherno | im sure #openbsd know |
| 17:04.45 | lardman | :) |
| 17:05.06 | lardman | yeah, just wondering |
| 17:06.22 | lardman | http://www.daemonnews.org/199907/d-advocate.html |
| 17:07.24 | lardman | Anyway, it doesn't even run on my C750, so I think I'll be with OZ for a while yet ;) |
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| 17:08.14 | inPherno | hmph... my pc is being funny |
| 17:09.02 | Rupert-Giles | get it a job as a comedian then |
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| 17:09.36 | B0Ti | lardman: I'm not gonna port the cfu1-driver to openbsd!! |
| 17:09.48 | lardman | nah, don't worry, I'm not going to jump ship |
| 17:09.55 | lardman | :) |
| 17:10.01 | B0Ti | so forget your toys if you want obsd :) |
| 17:10.15 | lardman | lol |
| 17:10.25 | lardman | looks like they have good usb support though for the C3000 |
| 17:10.38 | lardman | not better than Linux, but lots on their list |
| 17:10.49 | inPherno | that list is very old |
| 17:11.06 | inPherno | support for loads more hardware has been added |
| 17:11.14 | lardman | I wasn't trying to compete, I imagine that both support the same sort of stuff |
| 17:11.23 | B0Ti | how much is a C3000 now? |
| 17:11.26 | inPherno | better usb support than linux for the zaurus i think |
| 17:11.34 | inPherno | i sell them :P |
| 17:11.36 | lardman | I wonder what the dev and user levels are for the two? |
| 17:11.51 | lardman | inPherno: really? |
| 17:11.51 | Rupert-Giles | anyone got OBSD on a Z |
| 17:11.54 | inPherno | yeah |
| 17:12.09 | Rupert-Giles | it any good? |
| 17:12.11 | lardman | inPherno: what makes you say that? |
| 17:12.14 | inPherno | Rupert-Giles: thats what ive been talking about for the past few mins |
| 17:12.15 | B0Ti | where and for how much? |
| 17:12.21 | inPherno | Rupert-Giles: its amazing |
| 17:12.25 | Rupert-Giles | seriously? |
| 17:12.34 | inPherno | Rupert-Giles: yes... im currently running kde |
| 17:12.43 | Rupert-Giles | what?! |
| 17:12.47 | Rupert-Giles | :D |
| 17:12.57 | inPherno | Rupert-Giles: if uve ever used debian chrooted... then its in another league from that |
| 17:13.11 | lardman | I've seen KDE running on pdaXrom, if someone could be bothered we could add it to OE and have it running on a GPe machine |
| 17:13.14 | Rupert-Giles | ooo i must install OBSD on my C3000 :) |
| 17:13.16 | inPherno | chrooted debian on linux = slow.... x11 on openbsd = fast |
| 17:13.24 | inPherno | go for it rupert |
| 17:13.35 | Rupert-Giles | inPherno, you know of any decent tutorials for installation |
| 17:13.42 | inPherno | just make sure to read the install instructions carefully |
| 17:14.07 | inPherno | i might write a tutorial.... only problem is, i cant remember the exact order i did things |
| 17:14.14 | inPherno | but its really not all that hard |
| 17:14.45 | Rupert-Giles | inPherno the instructions on the openbsd site/ |
| 17:14.59 | lardman | inPherno: the thing about that list (I know you say it's longer now), is that it actually says that openBSD supports 12 USB devices (chipsets) |
| 17:15.13 | Rupert-Giles | inPherno screenies and pictures please :) |
| 17:15.15 | Rupert-Giles | heh |
| 17:15.23 | inPherno | http://www.flexibyte.com/zaurus/ |
| 17:15.37 | inPherno | oh... actually... http://www.flexibyte.com/zaurus/openbsd/ |
| 17:15.39 | lardman | inPherno: listing the individual manufacturers' names & models is a little mis-leading |
| 17:15.54 | lardman | inPherno: or are the drivers not normally generic? |
| 17:16.00 | Rupert-Giles | inPherno does it run fast? |
| 17:16.25 | inPherno | xfce runs fast.... fvwm runs VERY fast... kde runs just about usable |
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| 17:16.36 | mimecar | hi |
| 17:16.40 | inPherno | but i doubt kde is even that suitable for a tiny screen :) |
| 17:16.42 | Rupert-Giles | inPherno i dont really want kde heh |
| 17:16.50 | Rupert-Giles | xfce or fluxbox would be wicked nice |
| 17:17.03 | inPherno | yeah |
| 17:17.13 | inPherno | i had to compile xfce from source... took ages |
| 17:17.18 | inPherno | i'll give u my binaries if ya like |
| 17:17.23 | Rupert-Giles | ooo |
| 17:17.24 | Rupert-Giles | heh |
| 17:17.25 | Rupert-Giles | :) |
| 17:17.30 | inPherno | bsd generates a package after building from source |
| 17:17.35 | Rupert-Giles | inPherno, did you compile it on the zaurus |
| 17:17.39 | inPherno | yeah |
| 17:17.39 | Rupert-Giles | or cross compiler |
| 17:17.42 | Rupert-Giles | cool |
| 17:17.46 | Rupert-Giles | oooo am all excited now |
| 17:18.12 | Rupert-Giles | heh |
| 17:18.12 | inPherno | :) |
| 17:18.12 | Rupert-Giles | i need to get openbsd on my Zaurus |
| 17:18.12 | Rupert-Giles | ;) |
| 17:18.12 | inPherno | glad ive found someone else whos gonna install it |
| 17:18.12 | inPherno | ive not spoken to anyone else who has it running |
| 17:18.50 | Rupert-Giles | well i'll have to read thing carefully cause i've not had a Zaurus for long so i am not sure about the complete workings |
| 17:19.43 | inPherno | nor am i... i got my Z only a week ago |
| 17:19.55 | inPherno | and im certainly not an experience unixer |
| 17:19.57 | lardman | Right, I'm off home, have a nice evening all |
| 17:20.03 | inPherno | ciao |
| 17:20.12 | Rupert-Giles | dooh |
| 17:20.13 | Rupert-Giles | stay |
| 17:20.13 | Rupert-Giles | heh |
| 17:20.16 | Rupert-Giles | help me |
| 17:20.17 | Rupert-Giles | ;D |
| 17:20.30 | inPherno | Rupert-Giles... i'll guide u thru the install whenever u do it if ya like |
| 17:20.44 | Rupert-Giles | totally man that would be awesome |
| 17:20.45 | Rupert-Giles | ;D |
| 17:20.49 | inPherno | :) |
| 17:21.21 | Rupert-Giles | where did you get the install instructions |
| 17:21.22 | inPherno | in return i get someone to make use of my compiles |
| 17:21.23 | Rupert-Giles | i might have a read |
| 17:21.26 | inPherno | ftp://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/snapshots/zaurus/INSTALL.zaurus |
| 17:21.32 | Rupert-Giles | heh :) yeh |
| 17:23.32 | inPherno | Rupert-Giles: once its installed you get a bootloader... and u can choose whether to boot into the normal linux environment, or to load openbsd |
| 17:23.49 | Rupert-Giles | nice |
| 17:23.59 | Rupert-Giles | ill be like openbsd all the time :) |
| 17:24.00 | inPherno | ii just left 100mb on my hdd3 partition and added another partition for bsd |
| 17:24.06 | inPherno | yeah |
| 17:24.33 | Rupert-Giles | inPherno do you need like CF cards |
| 17:24.35 | Rupert-Giles | n stuff |
| 17:24.38 | inPherno | nope |
| 17:24.42 | Rupert-Giles | cool! |
| 17:25.05 | inPherno | the packages should fit on hdd2 |
| 17:25.09 | Rupert-Giles | i think i found it |
| 17:25.20 | Rupert-Giles | www.openbsd.org/zaurus.html |
| 17:25.35 | inPherno | i wouldnt recommend u put ur install files anywhere except hdd2... makes life easier |
| 17:25.48 | inPherno | ftp://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/snapshots/zaurus/ |
| 17:26.25 | Rupert-Giles | thanks man |
| 17:27.07 | Rupert-Giles | what other cool apps you got on your Zaurus with openbsd? |
| 17:27.38 | inPherno | not a lot right now... ive mainly been compiling xfce, blackbox and gaim |
| 17:27.42 | Rupert-Giles | cool |
| 17:27.55 | inPherno | kde is actually available as a binary for the zaurus |
| 17:28.09 | Rupert-Giles | you compiled kde? |
| 17:28.13 | inPherno | no |
| 17:28.18 | inPherno | well |
| 17:28.21 | inPherno | parts of it |
| 17:28.27 | inPherno | even tho i dont think i even needed to |
| 17:28.28 | Rupert-Giles | ahh ok :) |
| 17:28.46 | Rupert-Giles | is the X11 fast on it |
| 17:28.51 | inPherno | yeah |
| 17:28.54 | Rupert-Giles | cool |
| 17:29.01 | inPherno | when u start fvwm, you'll be shocked |
| 17:29.06 | Rupert-Giles | cool |
| 17:29.13 | inPherno | windows drag very smoothly etc |
| 17:29.17 | inPherno | and load times are nice |
| 17:29.28 | Rupert-Giles | heh |
| 17:30.09 | Rupert-Giles | gonna try and read this tonight |
| 17:30.29 | inPherno | when u try running X11, you'll prolly get an error about a library not being found... that can be fixed by creating a link to a newer version which is on the system |
| 17:30.36 | Rupert-Giles | how long did it take u to install it? |
| 17:30.41 | inPherno | not long |
| 17:30.54 | inPherno | the only thing that took time was reading carefully |
| 17:31.04 | Rupert-Giles | yeh |
| 17:31.07 | inPherno | some parts i didnt fully unsdtand, but i worked it out |
| 17:31.09 | Rupert-Giles | dont wanna blow my Z up |
| 17:31.10 | Rupert-Giles | heh |
| 17:31.19 | inPherno | ya... be careful |
| 17:31.30 | inPherno | but if uve done it right, u should know u have |
| 17:31.37 | inPherno | and if u havnt, just cancel and start again |
| 17:31.46 | Rupert-Giles | yeh |
| 17:31.48 | inPherno | it does give u an interactive installer |
| 17:31.54 | Rupert-Giles | ok cool |
| 17:32.04 | inPherno | infact the only thing that might cause problems is the partitioning bit |
| 17:32.24 | inPherno | but all i did was get my partition table to look the same as the one in the install readme :) |
| 17:33.01 | Rupert-Giles | yeh looks quite complicated |
| 17:33.13 | Rupert-Giles | i'll read carefully and if you're around ill ask |
| 17:33.15 | Rupert-Giles | ;) |
| 17:33.34 | inPherno | cool thing is.... that if i format my harddrive and reinstall... i can get it back to its current state cause i have the binaries from the compilations that it packaged for me :) |
| 17:34.10 | inPherno | u prolly will need to ask at some point.... i had no one to turn to, so i had to make educated guesses in some places ;) |
| 17:34.17 | Rupert-Giles | nice |
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| 17:34.18 | Rupert-Giles | heh |
| 17:34.26 | Rupert-Giles | you can help me :P |
| 17:34.33 | inPherno | :) |
| 17:35.57 | inPherno | the only thing that can go wrong is if u get the partitions messed up... if that happens and u cant boot... u can just boot into a linux distribution thats on your c3000s rom with a key combination on boot |
| 17:36.35 | Rupert-Giles | ok :| |
| 17:36.37 | Rupert-Giles | heh |
| 17:37.26 | Rupert-Giles | when did you install it? |
| 17:38.14 | inPherno | on friday |
| 17:38.32 | inPherno | printed off the docs and did it in my armchair |
| 17:38.39 | Rupert-Giles | heh |
| 17:39.52 | Rupert-Giles | inPherno, you've got to help me! |
| 17:40.23 | Rupert-Giles | heh i was all like ready to have a lazy night and early to bed |
| 17:41.23 | inPherno | i'll do my best to help... but remember... it could screw up your zaurus for all i know |
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| 17:41.35 | Rupert-Giles | :| |
| 17:41.39 | inPherno | but it was well worth any sort of risk |
| 17:42.00 | Rupert-Giles | but if you talk me through it i'll be fine ;P |
| 17:42.30 | inPherno | im pretty certain u can recover your zaurus without much fuss if anything doesnt go quite right |
| 17:42.41 | Rupert-Giles | cool |
| 17:43.04 | inPherno | heh... kde is running sooo nicely |
| 17:43.16 | Rupert-Giles | nooo dont rub my nose in it |
| 17:43.18 | Rupert-Giles | heh |
| 17:43.21 | inPherno | mouse movements are as smooth as they can be |
| 17:43.29 | inPherno | and most things are pretty responsive |
| 17:43.31 | Rupert-Giles | damn u!! |
| 17:43.38 | inPherno | :P |
| 17:43.41 | inPherno | oh |
| 17:43.45 | Rupert-Giles | ;-) |
| 17:43.46 | inPherno | do u have a wifi card? |
| 17:43.50 | Rupert-Giles | no :( |
| 17:43.55 | inPherno | hmz |
| 17:44.07 | inPherno | u might want to get one |
| 17:44.09 | Rupert-Giles | can't i just like put the stuff on to on of the disks |
| 17:44.16 | Rupert-Giles | through usb |
| 17:44.20 | inPherno | and u might want to get one soon |
| 17:44.24 | Rupert-Giles | how come? |
| 17:44.43 | inPherno | not sure... dunno if usb to the pc will work out of the box |
| 17:45.01 | Rupert-Giles | inPherno i use like usb just now on the linux |
| 17:45.07 | inPherno | 1 way i can think of is to boot into qtopia... then transfer stuff to hdd2 or hdd3, then go back into bsd |
| 17:45.14 | Rupert-Giles | yeh |
| 17:45.20 | inPherno | cause bsd has no prob mounting hdd1/2/3 |
| 17:45.32 | Rupert-Giles | as long as i can like get it installed |
| 17:45.53 | Rupert-Giles | am not to fussed about using usb in linux to get stuff |
| 17:46.36 | inPherno | k... but if your NOT considering getting a wifi card or something, then you might be at a bit of a disadvantage |
| 17:46.46 | Rupert-Giles | i'll get one some time |
| 17:47.12 | inPherno | kk |
| 17:47.29 | inPherno | what are you planning on running? |
| 17:47.34 | inPherno | or would like to get running? |
| 17:48.10 | Rupert-Giles | dunno just have something other than qtopia |
| 17:48.10 | Rupert-Giles | lol |
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| 17:48.10 | Rupert-Giles | blackbox maybe a few other bits n bobs |
| 17:48.10 | inPherno | i mean actual apps |
| 17:48.10 | Rupert-Giles | fluxbox would be nice |
| 17:48.10 | inPherno | :P |
| 17:48.20 | Rupert-Giles | dunno |
| 17:48.21 | Rupert-Giles | heh |
| 17:48.23 | Rupert-Giles | emacs |
| 17:48.26 | inPherno | there will be a somewhat limit amount of apps immediately available |
| 17:48.30 | Rupert-Giles | yeh |
| 17:48.58 | inPherno | but basically... if you can see it here: http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/ports/ then u can get it on ya zaurus |
| 17:50.05 | Rupert-Giles | does your audio work |
| 17:50.19 | inPherno | ahh... now theres a problem :)... i havnt heard any sounds as of yet |
| 17:50.46 | inPherno | i can live without sounds... but there is supposed to be audio support already working |
| 17:50.51 | inPherno | and it can only get better |
| 17:51.08 | Rupert-Giles | cool |
| 17:51.38 | inPherno | but if u want to have an mp3/video player, you can always boot into linux and play some media off an sd card or something |
| 17:51.44 | Rupert-Giles | yeh |
| 17:52.26 | inPherno | there are all the things that can be installed in a matter of a few seconds: ftp://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/snapshots/packages/arm/ |
| 17:52.44 | inPherno | + any of the packages ive compiled, which i'll upload to my webserver sooner or later |
| 17:53.36 | inPherno | apache comes with the default install i think |
| 17:53.44 | Rupert-Giles | cool |
| 17:55.39 | inPherno | i think i might setup a little webpage with as much info as i can find |
| 17:55.58 | inPherno | i'll reformat my zaurus and write a tutorial or something |
| 17:56.38 | Rupert-Giles | cool |
| 18:00.16 | Rupert-Giles | inPherno openbsd37_arm.ipk is that like the whole package |
| 18:02.39 | Rupert-Giles | ok contains boot loader and ramdisk kernel |
| 18:18.37 | Rupert-Giles | inPherno you still about? |
| 18:19.16 | brimstone | any ideas why mplayer doesn't think it has the ffmpeg codec to play divx files? |
| 18:20.03 | inPherno | ya... im still about, Rupert-Giles |
| 18:20.07 | Rupert-Giles | heh |
| 18:20.31 | inPherno | put all the archives into /hdd2/openbsd/ |
| 18:21.16 | Rupert-Giles | ok heh, can i pm you? |
| 18:21.20 | inPherno | kde is starting to scare me now... it's running too well |
| 18:21.21 | inPherno | sure |
| 18:21.24 | Rupert-Giles | thank man |
| 18:21.27 | Rupert-Giles | haha wicked |
| 18:23.13 | inPherno | its running faster than xfce4 was running under pocketworkstation/xqt |
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| 21:07.26 | B0Ti | how can I instruct ipkg to create symlinks when installing to SD? |
| 21:23.16 | CoreDump|home | B0Ti: ipkg-link add $name_of_program |
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| 21:29.06 | zap-zero | hi... can i download kernel modules for 3.5.3 collie somewhere? |
| 21:29.13 | zap-zero | specifically, i need the 'tun' module |
| 21:29.30 | zap-zero | but in the feed i seem to only find 2.6.x modules, but i need 2.4.18 ones |
| 21:35.24 | B0Ti | CoreDump|home: I already figured that out, the problem is that I installed a bunch of packages to SD, and those don't show up in "ipkg list_installed" |
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| 21:58.35 | CoreDump|home | zap-zero: http://hentges.net/tmp/do_not_use/kernel/kernel-modules/ |
| 21:58.58 | alan_ | i like the feed name ^^ |
| 21:59.15 | alan_ | well, the _path_ name |
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| 22:00.46 | brimstone | alan_: have you much luck with mplayer on 3.5.3 ? |
| 22:03.54 | zap-zero | CoreDump|home: thanks |
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| 22:04.08 | CoreDump|home | np |
| 22:11.25 | alan_ | brimstone: mplayer works fine here |
| 22:12.02 | alan_ | what is the problem with it ? |
| 22:14.28 | alan_ | with the indication provided here, http://openzaurus.org/wordpress/howto/encoding-and-playing-video-for-c7x0-devices/ , i read films without troubles |
| 22:15.01 | alan_ | (btw, the -vo w100 mplayer option is for gpe image only) |
| 22:15.23 | alan_ | i dunno if Xora edited this page... |
| 22:16.04 | alan_ | brimstone: what is your Z model ? |
| 22:16.43 | alan_ | argh, it's 00:15 here... time to go to bed. |
| 22:18.47 | alan_ | brimstone: if you have a 5xxx z, just follow my mencoder command line at the bottom of the page. Edit the ofps to 12, divide the resolution by 2 and use 32kbps for audio instead of 64 and it should work. |
| 22:19.25 | alan_ | ho and get the video bitrate to 80 instead of 150 |
| 22:21.13 | alan_ | my mencoder cmmand line works perfectly right with my c750. films are smooth and 2 hours of video fit in 200mo |
| 22:22.07 | alan_ | good night all ! |
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| 23:21.37 | brimstone | man, just missed him |
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