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| 01:16.34 | *** topic/#openzaurus is OpenZaurus user discussion/support channel | developer discussion in #oe | http://openzaurus.org/ | Don't ask to ask, just ask. | OZ 3.5.3 -> http://openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.3/ | Report OZ bugs at http://bugs.openembedded.org/ l/p: guest/guest |
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| 01:19.35 | robmv | hello |
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| 01:54.56 | subdue | why dont they have a errata for the latest release? |
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| 02:30.22 | *** topic/#openzaurus is OpenZaurus user discussion/support channel | developer discussion in #oe | http://openzaurus.org/ | Don't ask to ask, just ask. | OZ 3.5.3 -> http://openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.3/ | Report OZ bugs at http://bugs.openembedded.org/ l/p: guest/guest |
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| 03:57.32 | subdue | I'm sure this is elementary to most of you, but I got frustrated and started a quick wiki for newbies |
| 03:57.33 | subdue | http://www.oesf.org/index.php?title=Opie_3.5.3_on_the_5500 |
| 03:57.49 | subdue | if it helps anyone else, that's all that matters |
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| 05:14.15 | meth0s | hurmm |
| 05:14.24 | meth0s | i flashed 3.5.3 on my c860 today |
| 05:14.41 | meth0s | the resolution seems higher |
| 05:15.09 | meth0s | it also appears to maybe be just a tad too high as my screen seems to flicker ever so slightly |
| 05:17.26 | meth0s | also when i first bring it out of suspend on battery the screen is full bright then it dims and will not return to full bright. anyoen else experienceing these type of issues? |
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| 07:44.55 | alan_ | hi ! |
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| 07:45.29 | alan_ | bonjour XorA |
| 07:46.26 | XorA | yo alan |
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| 07:55.10 | hrw|work | hi |
| 07:57.11 | alan_ | hi hrw |
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| 08:13.08 | XorA | so hows everyone on this fine and sunny day? |
| 08:13.47 | hrw|work | fin? sunny? cold day rather |
| 08:16.14 | XorA | cold and sunny here actually, but it always is in scotland |
| 08:31.56 | alan_ | sunny with 10°C here in Rouen |
| 08:33.24 | subdue | if desparate, comment out the apm line in /etc/device_table (warning, alarms and a few other things wont work if you do that) dont forget to reboot |
| 08:34.45 | alan_ | hrw|work: what's new in the zImage.bin for c7x0 from the /upgrades directory on the OZ webpage ? |
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| 08:35.28 | alan_ | there is no release note for it... |
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| 08:36.07 | subdue | alan_: didnt you ask something earlier? I forget |
| 08:36.27 | hrw|work | 2005.05.06 hrw Upgraded: |
| 08:36.28 | hrw|work | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:36.58 | hrw|work | c7x0 2.6.x kernels: apply a serial hack to allow coexistence of pxa_serial and 8250 (necessary for GPS, BlueTooth, and serial cards like that) |
| 08:37.09 | subdue | how does one tell if there is an upgrade? |
| 08:37.23 | subdue | every time I try to upgrade via package manager, it hangs on me |
| 08:37.31 | subdue | update is no problem. just upgrade |
| 08:38.34 | alan_ | hrw|work: oki. Thanks |
| 08:38.37 | hrw|work | subdue: update few pacakges at one time or use ipkg in shell |
| 08:46.09 | subdue | hrw|work: it seems to hang on the qtlibs or something |
| 08:46.37 | hrw|work | define hang |
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| 09:05.19 | subdue | it just sits for many minutes. I left it at 30 minutes and it still didnt move |
| 09:05.43 | subdue | If you like, I can try again |
| 09:07.45 | hrw|work | known bug |
| 09:11.24 | subdue | just my luck :) |
| 09:12.33 | subdue | solution? |
| 09:12.44 | hrw|work | 16 10:38 < hrw|work> subdue: update few pacakges at one time or use ipkg in shell |
| 09:13.02 | subdue | yeah, saw that. now sure how to do that, but ok, I'll try it |
| 09:13.26 | subdue | so if I do "ipkg upgrade" from the shell it'll not hang? |
| 09:13.31 | subdue | supposedly? |
| 09:13.38 | hrw|work | exactly |
| 09:13.45 | subdue | thanks |
| 09:15.21 | hrw|work | "cycojezus" is nice nick... especially when someone understand Polish |
| 09:16.59 | subdue | hmm... got a bunch of errors |
| 09:17.26 | subdue | ipkg_conf_write_status_files: Can't open status file: /media/cf/packages//usr/lib/ipkg/status for writing: No space left on device |
| 09:18.23 | subdue | going to try without having cf in my ipkg.conf |
| 09:18.28 | subdue | (no cf card) |
| 09:19.57 | hrw|work | remove dest cf from ipkg.conf |
| 09:21.07 | subdue | ok |
| 09:40.11 | alan_ | aaaaarrrrrrghhhhh ! !! i'lm fed up to do my homeworks and to prepare my final exams !!!!! i want to learn how to use OE build system!!! plus for some stupid reasons, i won't join my final study year next year... i am currently working for nothing, buti absolutely mustn't stop working !!! that is so frustrating... |
| 09:43.19 | XorA | exams are long distant in the past for me |
| 09:44.20 | alan_ | XorA: how lucky... Job is long distant in the future for me... |
| 09:46.48 | subdue | hrw|work: upgrade worked, thanks |
| 09:47.31 | hrw|work | np |
| 09:47.48 | alan_ | i'm finishing my 4th year of study at university, one more and i get my master degree in philosophy, but getting a philosophy teacher is so hard here in france... argh !!!!!!! i should have chosen computer studies... |
| 09:51.20 | XorA | how in hell did someone manage to install oz3.5.3 and not know where openzaurus.org was? |
| 09:58.31 | alan_ | ^^ |
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| 10:36.52 | *** topic/#openzaurus is OpenZaurus user discussion/support channel | developer discussion in #oe | http://openzaurus.org/ | Don't ask to ask, just ask. | OZ 3.5.3 -> http://openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.3/ | Report OZ bugs at http://bugs.openembedded.org/ l/p: guest/guest |
| 10:38.56 | lardman|busy | Is libusbmouseapplet available for Opie? http://www.users.on.net/~hluc/myZaurus/custom.html#mouse |
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| 10:39.47 | hrw|work | lardman|busy: no |
| 10:41.15 | lardman|busy | Does anyone know if there's any source around? |
| 10:54.15 | B0Ti | source for what. |
| 10:54.18 | B0Ti | ? |
| 10:54.27 | B0Ti | morning BTW :) |
| 11:01.30 | lardman|busy | Morning :) |
| 11:01.40 | hrw|work | hi B0Ti |
| 11:01.40 | lardman|busy | Source for libusbmouseapplet for opie |
| 11:03.33 | lardman|busy | I thought it might be a bit of fun for those who have usb ;) |
| 11:04.44 | hrw|work | ~google libusbmouseapplet source |
| 11:08.58 | lardman|busy | yeah, that's what I saw too - I wonder if it's in the qtopia source |
| 11:11.55 | B0Ti | my sd card is not initialized after boot. I have to eject/insert to get a /dev/mmcblk0p1 device. What's wrong? |
| 11:12.16 | lardman|busy | I've always had that happen |
| 11:12.48 | lardman|busy | iirc it's the same after a suspend which is a pita (well it was with 2.6.11 - I'll have to check with .12) |
| 11:13.42 | B0Ti | suspend is fine on .12 |
| 11:14.16 | B0Ti | lardman|busy: usb working okay? |
| 11:14.19 | lardman|busy | Windows user - time to reboot, it's like swimming in molasses here - takes a good 10sec to open Firefox (uptime c.228hours) |
| 11:14.28 | lardman|busy | not tried the new version, was working last night |
| 11:14.38 | lardman|busy | should have some time this week, hopefully |
| 11:14.40 | lardman|busy | bbiam |
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| 11:22.43 | *** topic/#openzaurus is OpenZaurus user discussion/support channel | developer discussion in #oe | http://openzaurus.org/ | Don't ask to ask, just ask. | OZ 3.5.3 -> http://openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.3/ | Report OZ bugs at http://bugs.openembedded.org/ l/p: guest/guest |
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| 11:59.37 | B0Ti | I'm getting this: ttf-bitstream-vera.postinst: 2: fc-cache: not found |
| 11:59.55 | B0Ti | what's the package for fontconfig? |
| 12:03.13 | hrw|work | fontconfig-utils? |
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| 12:08.54 | *** topic/#openzaurus is OpenZaurus user discussion/support channel | developer discussion in #oe | http://openzaurus.org/ | Don't ask to ask, just ask. | OZ 3.5.3 -> http://openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.3/ | Report OZ bugs at http://bugs.openembedded.org/ l/p: guest/guest |
| 12:12.28 | subdue | dang troll |
| 12:12.33 | subdue | pisses me off |
| 12:12.43 | B0Ti | what? |
| 12:13.10 | subdue | muesli321 |
| 12:13.30 | subdue | he's complaining about the distros being illegal |
| 12:13.45 | subdue | he joined the forums just to whine and complain |
| 12:14.06 | subdue | he only has 3 posts, and all of them is complaints |
| 12:14.13 | hrw|work | subdue: he has right |
| 12:14.34 | subdue | he's posting in the wrong forums |
| 12:14.52 | subdue | if he wants to whine and complain, let him start his own thread |
| 12:15.25 | subdue | the thread is not about GPL |
| 12:15.44 | hrw|work | write it there - do not yell here |
| 12:15.51 | subdue | I did |
| 12:16.02 | subdue | sorry |
| 12:16.26 | subdue | I'm just upset that someone comes along and tries to make the 6000L better, and he goes and trashes the effort |
| 12:16.46 | subdue | sorry |
| 12:18.06 | XorA | interestingly, he also needs to read the GPL :-) |
| 12:18.21 | subdue | feel free to reply to him |
| 12:18.42 | XorA | nothing in the GPL requires you to supply source when you release a program |
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| 12:20.53 | subdue | b/c of him, I'm sure guylhem will cease developing what he's doing |
| 12:21.21 | kennyj | ...wtf? |
| 12:22.05 | hrw|work | XorA: if you get source and release something based on that source you have to give source |
| 12:22.21 | XorA | hrw|work: the pertinant part is "On Reuest" |
| 12:22.25 | hrw|work | your program users have same rights to get source as you |
| 12:22.25 | XorA | On Request |
| 12:22.36 | hrw|work | XorA: yep |
| 12:22.45 | hrw|work | XorA: but who want to process requests? |
| 12:23.39 | kennyj | More to the point, if you release a binary that's under the GPL, the source must be made available. As long as it's available and no extra fees are charged beyond reasonable fees for media or transfer, it's legal. |
| 12:23.54 | kennyj | By request or no isn't really of consequence. |
| 12:24.08 | XorA | kennyj: which technically means I can release only on cd and charge 20 quid |
| 12:24.58 | kennyj | If you want, yeah. As long as anyone who gets the binary can still get the source somehow without having to pay what could be considered an excessive fee for the priviledge. |
| 12:25.16 | kennyj | IIRC, anyway. It's been a long time since I read the GPL and I'm not a lawyer in any case. |
| 12:25.18 | XorA | kennyj: I can charge 20 GBP as thats reasonable cost of sending a cd via UK PO |
| 12:25.47 | kennyj | Don't see why not. |
| 12:26.13 | XorA | people think release means on internet, thats what GPL 3 is meant to address |
| 12:26.31 | kennyj | Of course, most developers choose to bundle binaries and source unless there's a reason not to, as we all know. Simple fact is, it works out to be much simpler that way. |
| 12:27.20 | kennyj | Yeah, people tend to forget that GPL != public domain. |
| 12:27.51 | hrw|work | anyway at work I prefer BSD/MIT licence |
| 12:27.55 | kennyj | And the Internet sure as hell doesn't factor into the equation outside of its prevalence as a transmission medium. |
| 12:28.40 | XorA | god is reception duty boring |
| 12:30.06 | kennyj | I think it really depends on the project. The thing that rubs me wrong about BSD is the lack of reciprocity. For example, look at how much stuff BSD 4.4Lite code has found its way into... and, out of this stuff, how much code has been contributed back. In that sense, it really sucks for volunteer projects. |
| 12:30.30 | kennyj | However, for stuff like taxpayer-funded applications that get publically released, it's a great idea. |
| 12:30.41 | XorA | BSD is great for crappy code jobs I do |
| 12:31.41 | kennyj | What, where you just don't give a damn? |
| 12:31.55 | kennyj | I could definitely understand that. |
| 12:32.19 | XorA | GPL tends to give an impression of supportedness, BSD is throw out to the wolves |
| 12:32.30 | B0Ti | I can't login into GPE. http://pastebin.ca/11888 Any hints? |
| 12:32.50 | kennyj | eh |
| 12:32.53 | kennyj | *heh |
| 12:32.54 | subdue | bsd is not gpl |
| 12:32.57 | subdue | different license |
| 12:33.06 | XorA | subdue: we know |
| 12:33.12 | kennyj | ...where'd that come from? |
| 12:33.43 | B0Ti | take this to #legal or somewhere else. rather and help me! ;) |
| 12:33.55 | subdue | heck, even ms has bsd code in it |
| 12:34.05 | subdue | we just dont know about it is all |
| 12:34.13 | B0Ti | we do. |
| 12:34.25 | subdue | well, ms would never admit it |
| 12:34.29 | XorA | B0Ti: no idea on that one, is new on me |
| 12:34.48 | XorA | subdue: apart from they copyright notice, where it used to be cleary stated |
| 12:34.54 | kennyj | They don't call attention to it, but strings is easy enough to run on WIndows binaries :D |
| 12:35.23 | kennyj | and, under the BSD licence, they can't actually hide the fact that they use BSD code. The copyright notices have to be in there, like it or not. |
| 12:35.42 | kennyj | heh |
| 12:35.48 | kennyj | YOU LOSE AT THE INTARNET |
| 12:35.57 | XorA | B0Ti: is your xserver actually dieing, and what machine |
| 12:35.59 | B0Ti | damn. ;) |
| 12:36.09 | Rupert-Giles | INtarwebz |
| 12:36.26 | B0Ti | XorA: i did an SD install. GPE is under /media/card |
| 12:37.07 | XorA | B0Ti: it looks sick |
| 12:37.09 | B0Ti | my x server is up, because I get the login screen (gpe-dm) |
| 12:37.13 | XorA | B0Ti: how did you get the image? |
| 12:37.23 | B0Ti | installed from packages |
| 12:37.28 | kennyj | Heh... while I did get up at 3:00 PM yesterday and just got off work, it still feels kinda wrong somehow to be drinking a beer at 8:30 AM. |
| 12:37.33 | XorA | B0Ti: is /tmp created, mounted and have correct permissions? |
| 12:38.00 | B0Ti | drwxrwxrwt 7 root root 220 May 16 12:28 tmp |
| 12:38.06 | B0Ti | that's /var/tmp |
| 12:38.12 | B0Ti | and /tmp points to it |
| 12:38.29 | XorA | B0Ti: bizarre |
| 12:39.32 | B0Ti | Where's /usr/share/dbus-1 supposed to be coming from? |
| 12:41.37 | XorA | B0Ti: I dont think ipkg does dpkg style -S |
| 12:42.16 | B0Ti | search does it |
| 12:42.24 | B0Ti | ipkg search == dpkg -S |
| 12:42.57 | hrw|work | not ipkg files? |
| 12:43.25 | B0Ti | files lists the files in a package, no? |
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| 12:48.56 | XorA | dpkg -S tells you what package a file on filesystem was installed from, so neither of those is the same |
| 12:52.05 | B0Ti | XorA: fyi: |
| 12:52.06 | B0Ti | # ipkg search /usr/bin/ssh |
| 12:52.06 | B0Ti | dropbear - 0.45-r1 - /usr/bin/ssh |
| 12:52.49 | XorA | B0Ti: sorted |
| 12:55.56 | B0Ti | XorA: can you give me your list_installed for GPE? That might help. |
| 12:56.29 | XorA | B0Ti: Z is other end of office |
| 12:56.43 | XorA | be back at me desk in 5 mins when I get off reception |
| 12:56.55 | B0Ti | then some1 else |
| 12:58.52 | B0Ti | This guy has the same problem: http://openzaurus.org/wordpress/howto/opie-gpe-at-the-same-time/#comment-44 |
| 13:07.48 | XorA | B0Ti: http://hyboria.mine.nu/~dp/list_installed |
| 13:09.34 | B0Ti | XorA: thanks |
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| 13:26.10 | oneiros | Hi everybody! I ve got a C1000 with OZ 3.5.3 and I want to compile some drivers what package do I need? I've tried with only gcc and make package but when running make install it says it doesn't find gcc |
| 13:36.20 | meth0s | is the resolution cranked up higher on 3.5.3? |
| 13:37.03 | hrw|work | ? |
| 13:39.21 | XorA | meth0s: yeah we cranked it upto 1024x768 so we can use vnc |
| 13:39.54 | meth0s | oh |
| 13:40.08 | meth0s | screen flickers a tad |
| 13:40.09 | XorA | meth0s: joking BTW :-) |
| 13:40.17 | meth0s | heh |
| 13:40.39 | XorA | meth0s: screen flicker is a known problem on C7x0 devices, there is an option in the diagnostics menu that can make it better |
| 13:40.59 | B0Ti | XorA: where is it? |
| 13:41.28 | XorA | B0Ti: oesf forumes, look at the sticky topics for pdaXrom, there used to be a topic discussing it |
| 13:43.01 | hrw|work | does it helps? |
| 13:43.17 | hrw|work | I run only OZ so dont even know how it should be.. |
| 13:43.28 | XorA | hrw|work: did on mine, managed to reduce flicker |
| 13:43.55 | XorA | hrw|work: its basically just some LCD tuning int he firmware |
| 13:44.45 | B0Ti | do you guys have bad pixels on the LCD? I got a white and a red one flickering. Didn't notice those with the sharp rom. |
| 13:46.16 | XorA | B0Ti: not that I noticed |
| 13:47.14 | oneiros | hummm nobody wants to help me? |
| 13:47.24 | B0Ti | I can only notice those on black background (console) |
| 13:47.41 | B0Ti | oneiros: what does it say exactly? |
| 13:47.58 | oneiros | checking for gcc .... no |
| 13:48.00 | XorA | oneiros: we use openembedded to compile for Z |
| 13:48.18 | B0Ti | `which gcc` |
| 13:48.23 | alan_ | B0Ti: iirc, this also can be solved by tweaking he diag menu... |
| 13:48.27 | oneiros | an how do I install Openembedded |
| 13:49.09 | oneiros | I have a winxp box but intended to install linux on vmware |
| 13:49.54 | XorA | oneiros: www.openembedded.org |
| 13:49.54 | alan_ | dual boot would be easier : you are a brave man. ^^ |
| 13:50.03 | oneiros | B0Ti: I don't understand the question |
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| 13:50.49 | oneiros | XorA : which distro is the best for insalling openembedded |
| 13:51.39 | oneiros | alan: why if I just want to install it for compiling? |
| 13:53.48 | XorA | oneiros: Ive run it with success on debian/gentoo/fedora |
| 13:54.09 | XorA | oneiros: it needs LOTS of ram though |
| 13:55.45 | B0Ti | oneiros: execute "which gcc" in the shell |
| 13:56.37 | oneiros | B0Ti:nothing appens |
| 13:57.35 | oneiros | B0Ti but when I go to the package manager It tells me that gcc is installed |
| 14:03.13 | B0Ti | then do "ipkg files gcc" if the package is called gcc. |
| 14:08.03 | oneiros | ok |
| 14:08.34 | oneiros | i'll try zall that and be back to report |
| 14:08.39 | oneiros | thnaks everybody |
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| 14:18.16 | B0Ti | I'll give up with opie+gpe. Maybe should've started with the gpe image. |
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| 14:20.48 | B0Ti | is it possible to run GPE as root, like opie does it? |
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| 14:26.58 | alan_ | B0Ti: yesbu t i wouldn't recommand it... |
| 14:28.53 | alan_ | i did it once. i launched sylpheed, stted some infos in, and i suddently had to login as normal user, because... because. i left bruttally my root session, liging out without checking no process was waiting in the tesk bar and BANG : no way to log in anymore, with any user... |
| 14:43.11 | XorA | arg, buildsystems are a nightmare |
| 14:49.04 | Rupert-Giles | openbsd 3.7 on zaurus is nice |
| 14:49.08 | Rupert-Giles | mmm yummy |
| 14:49.29 | sequethin | Rupert-Giles, any workin PIM software? ;) |
| 14:49.36 | Rupert-Giles | pfff PIM |
| 14:50.21 | sequethin | lol yeah who would want to use a PDA to keep track of dates and phone numbers ;) |
| 14:50.42 | Rupert-Giles | not me |
| 14:50.47 | XorA | geeks dont get dates anyway :-D |
| 14:50.54 | Rupert-Giles | right on XorA! |
| 14:50.55 | Rupert-Giles | ;D |
| 14:51.06 | Rupert-Giles | or maybe i should |
| 14:51.07 | Rupert-Giles | :( |
| 14:51.09 | Rupert-Giles | heh |
| 14:51.30 | Rupert-Giles | what happened to vi lucysnumber :P |
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| 15:41.01 | CoreDump|home | ~lart init.sysvinit |
| 15:44.00 | lardman|busy | B0Ti: A bit late, but I run GPE as root all the time and have had no issues... yet ;) |
| 15:46.18 | CoreDump|home | linux virus? :) |
| 15:51.40 | alan_ | lardman|busy: i guess gpe as root is just like gpe as normal user : proceed _carefully_, and it works fine ^^ |
| 15:51.41 | XorA | CoreDump|home: LoveYou on wine on qemu :-) most users wont notice the 100Meg download and still click on the icon |
| 15:52.02 | CoreDump|home | hehehe |
| 15:52.35 | lardman|busy | It's much the same as running as root with Opie I presume |
| 15:52.46 | CoreDump|home | yeah |
| 15:52.53 | CoreDump|home | not much of a problem, really |
| 15:53.21 | lardman|busy | I would run as a mere mortal, but it annoys me that I often need to use ifup and I can't do that as a mortal |
| 15:53.37 | lardman|busy | sudo, I know, can't be bothered, yet |
| 15:53.44 | CoreDump|home | install and configure sudo |
| 15:53.48 | CoreDump|home | ah nm heh |
| 15:53.51 | lardman|busy | :) |
| 15:56.11 | B0Ti | lardman|busy: so how did you cut out the login (gpe-dm) ? |
| 15:56.38 | CoreDump|home | sudo should be in the default GPE ROM imo. And be configured ala Ubuntu |
| 15:56.47 | lardman|busy | B0Ti: I still have to login |
| 15:57.56 | B0Ti | what I want is X starts up without a DM, calling the window manager straight. |
| 15:58.15 | B0Ti | like it does on my desktop when I say startx |
| 15:58.53 | CoreDump|home | there's a difference. When you run "startx" you are already logged in |
| 15:58.54 | lardman|busy | B0Ti: Have you tried just removing gpe-dm? |
| 15:59.31 | Rupert-Giles | Buy RHAT @ 45 1/8 Nov 1999 |
| 15:59.47 | B0Ti | CoreDump|home: I know that dammit, but there are such things for desktop linux like auto-login |
| 16:00.09 | lardman|busy | Opie does auto-login |
| 16:00.16 | B0Ti | exactly |
| 16:00.22 | CoreDump|home | noone is going to stop you hacking gpe-dm or the init scripts |
| 16:00.26 | lardman|busy | I'm not sure how though |
| 16:00.32 | lardman|busy | how opie does it that is |
| 16:00.35 | B0Ti | well, not, because it doesn't log in. it stays root :) |
| 16:00.38 | CoreDump|home | su $USER -c "startx" or something like that might work |
| 16:01.09 | lardman|busy | even with a root password set, opie still runs after a reboot - how does this work? |
| 16:01.21 | CoreDump|home | easy |
| 16:01.35 | CoreDump|home | because it is launched by an init-script (which runs as root of course) |
| 16:01.39 | B0Ti | CoreDump|home: I was experimenting with that on my desktop a few years ago, but couldn't do it, because it had no controlling terminal. |
| 16:01.54 | lardman|busy | ah, I see |
| 16:03.35 | CoreDump|home | it's bound to work. In a similiar |
| 16:03.37 | CoreDump|home | err |
| 16:03.55 | CoreDump|home | in a similar fashion I've realized my password-less root-shell on my desktop |
| 16:04.13 | CoreDump|home | sudo su ;) |
| 16:05.58 | B0Ti | hmm, gpe seems to have autologin: in gpe-login it says: |
| 16:05.59 | B0Ti | if [ "$AUTOLOGIN" = "true" ] ; then |
| 16:05.59 | B0Ti | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:05.59 | B0Ti | else |
| 16:06.32 | B0Ti | sudo su is trivial! =P |
| 16:07.03 | CoreDump|home | indeed :D but works like a charm |
| 16:10.33 | CoreDump|home | god damn it. After finally managing to pivot_root onto my SD, the god damn /sbin/init is freeze upon execution. grrr |
| 16:11.40 | B0Ti | there is still some issue with sound. I get this from esd, yesterday mplayer did it: |
| 16:11.40 | B0Ti | esd: page allocation failure. order:6, mode:0xd0 |
| 16:11.40 | B0Ti | kernel bug! |
| 16:11.59 | B0Ti | someone should rewrite the sound code. |
| 16:18.41 | B0Ti | zaurus kernel: Out of Memory: Killed process 11377 (gpe-soundserver) |
| 16:19.17 | B0Ti | maybe I should give up with GPE, it's gonna burn my Z. |
| 16:19.56 | lardman|busy | gxine was working fine for me |
| 16:22.15 | B0Ti | it gets into some infinite loop, starts up a bunch of dbus-daemon and gconfd processes. |
| 16:27.19 | B0Ti | what package has gpe-confd ? |
| 16:29.56 | lardman|busy | it's its own package |
| 16:29.59 | lardman|busy | isn't it? |
| 16:30.07 | lardman|busy | should be there by default |
| 16:31.22 | B0Ti | I meant gpe-gconfd |
| 16:32.58 | lardman|busy | not sure |
| 16:33.15 | lardman|busy | Is it installed? or is that why you're asking? |
| 16:33.36 | B0Ti | I found out the cause for the looping. The Xsession scripts start up dbus & gconfd but at the end gpe-dm exits for some reason and the same thing is repeated. The odd part is that gconf and dbus doesn't realize it's already running. |
| 16:34.44 | B0Ti | I have a gpe-confd script in Xsession.d that calls gpe-confd. And I can't find such a file on my system. |
| 16:36.14 | lardman|busy | do a search on ipkgfind.handhelds.org - it'll tell you the package name |
| 16:36.39 | B0Ti | what do you guys have under /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ ? |
| 16:38.26 | lardman|busy | Don't have Z available atm I'm afraid |
| 16:43.00 | B0Ti | heh, I did it :) |
| 16:43.21 | B0Ti | just put matchbox-panel into the last script. |
| 16:43.45 | B0Ti | so all I have is a panel running, pretty slim... |
| 16:45.00 | lardman|busy | I seem to not have a desktop running at all with my image - I have a taskbar though |
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| 17:02.27 | lardman|busy | time for home, night all |
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| 17:27.54 | meth0s | anyone have both a c860 and a c3k? |
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| 18:29.18 | meth0s | anyone have problems running pwmpi in 3.5.3? |
| 18:30.25 | meth0s | im getting pwmpi: symbol lookup error: pwmpi: undefined symbol: _ZN9KLisViewC2EP7QWidgetPKc |
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| 19:23.30 | mimecar | hi |
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| 20:25.34 | brimstone | alan: do you know why mplayer will just hang randomly durning divx.avi playback? |
| 20:25.48 | brimstone | it's a properly formatted divx file |
| 20:25.55 | brimstone | plays fine on a real computer |
| 20:26.20 | brimstone | and will hang at random, changing spots in mplayer on openzaurus 3.5.3 |
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| 21:09.31 | alan | brimstone: still here ? |
| 21:10.00 | alan | did you try to pass a -nortc option ? |
| 21:10.23 | alan | (not sure if it is not --disable-rtc, or something this way.) |
| 21:10.28 | alan | let me check |
| 21:10.40 | brimstone | yes, i'm here this time |
| 21:10.44 | brimstone | sorry about yesterday |
| 21:10.56 | brimstone | i got distracted by bits of shiney metal in the room |
| 21:11.22 | brimstone | also, i had to pass -ffourcc DIVX when i encoded the file and it plays just spiffy like now |
| 21:11.24 | alan | ^^ |
| 21:11.47 | brimstone | so, pass nortc when encoding or during playback? |
| 21:12.28 | alan | to play, try mplayer -nortc -framedrop -fstype fullscreen -fs -ac mad -really-quiet |
| 21:12.45 | brimstone | -fstype? that's new |
| 21:12.48 | brimstone | ok, tring |
| 21:12.58 | alan | ... mmm maybe not needed... |
| 21:13.05 | alan | wait a minute |
| 21:13.32 | brimstone | k |
| 21:14.22 | alan | mmm... can't access openzaurus.org... |
| 21:14.34 | alan | done |
| 21:15.32 | alan | pfioooooooouuuuu, rate is slow as hell... |
| 21:15.52 | brimstone | ok, i'm playing it with the new command line, got to wait for it to die tho :/ |
| 21:15.58 | alan | brimstone: what z model ? |
| 21:16.04 | brimstone | SL-5600 |
| 21:17.28 | alan | mplayer -nortc -ac mad -ao oss -framedrop -really-quiet should be perfect |
| 21:17.55 | brimstone | ok, i have almost that |
| 21:18.00 | brimstone | not the -ao part |
| 21:18.07 | brimstone | looks good, sounds good |
| 21:18.13 | brimstone | just waiting for it to finish or die |
| 21:18.24 | alan | ^^ i bet it won't die |
| 21:18.32 | brimstone | the -nortc does it? |
| 21:18.38 | alan | yep |
| 21:18.55 | brimstone | no real-time clock |
| 21:18.57 | brimstone | huh |
| 21:19.00 | brimstone | we'll see |
| 21:19.02 | alan | i guess |
| 21:19.14 | brimstone | that's what man says |
| 21:19.21 | alan | enjoy your film ^^ |
| 21:19.34 | brimstone | i always enjoy family guy :] |
| 21:19.45 | alan | family guy ? |
| 21:19.51 | brimstone | :o |
| 21:19.59 | alan | == tv serie ? |
| 21:20.00 | brimstone | it's an american show |
| 21:20.01 | brimstone | yeah |
| 21:20.03 | alan | ok |
| 21:20.04 | brimstone | tv series |
| 21:20.06 | brimstone | really good |
| 21:20.29 | alan | to me, except X-Files, nothing is important ^^ |
| 21:20.33 | brimstone | it's gotten farther then it was last time it died |
| 21:20.50 | alan | it just won't die |
| 21:20.56 | alan | :) |
| 21:21.05 | brimstone | i just need to find a good stand to hold my Z sideways now |
| 21:21.35 | brimstone | this is going to be so fricken awesome on the car trip coming up |
| 21:21.50 | brimstone | unless i drive, then it's xmms-embedded and the fm transmitter :] |
| 21:21.58 | alan | ^^ |
| 21:22.17 | alan | how do you encode your films ? |
| 21:23.18 | brimstone | mencoder $@ -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg4:vbitrate=150:vpass=1 -vop scale=320:240 -oac mp3lame -lameopts cbr:br=64:mode=3 -ffourcc DIVX -o $OUTFILE |
| 21:23.23 | brimstone | and vpass=2 for this file |
| 21:23.38 | brimstone | but i encoded another with just vhq:vbitrate=150 and it seems just fine |
| 21:23.50 | brimstone | the vbitrate=512 seemed too much still |
| 21:24.06 | alan | i do mencoder FILE-IN.avi -srate 24000 -ofps 15 -sws 2 -ovc lavc -vf scale=320:240,eq2=1.0:0.6:0.1:0.7 -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg4:vhq:vbitrate=150 -lameopts cbr:br=64:mode=3 -vop scale=320:240 -oac mp3lame -o FILE-OUT.avi |
| 21:24.54 | brimstone | i need to add the brightness stuff to mine eventually |
| 21:24.57 | alan | it encodes in 1 pass only, and it resize the video no matter the aspect ratio without any problem |
| 21:25.01 | brimstone | well, why not now? |
| 21:25.02 | alan | i do |
| 21:26.19 | alan | the -ofps 15 is good too. you won't see the difference on the screen, but 2 hours fit in 200mo |
| 21:27.01 | brimstone | and i have a 1GB SD :] |
| 21:27.12 | alan | == more films on it !! |
| 21:28.40 | alan | the complete first season of friends in your pocket... |
| 21:28.59 | brimstone | i can ssh into my pants already |
| 21:29.03 | brimstone | i love saying that :] |
| 21:29.06 | alan | ^^ |
| 21:29.15 | alan | are you a pervert ? |
| 21:29.17 | alan | ;) |
| 21:29.26 | brimstone | hehe, nope |
| 21:31.03 | alan | brimstone: i think you should add a comment to http://openzaurus.org/wordpress/howto/encoding-and-playing-video-for-c7x0-devices/ so that even 5600 users have a video how-to |
| 21:31.15 | brimstone | yeah, i was planning on it |
| 21:31.18 | brimstone | after i perfected this |
| 21:31.18 | alan | precise the -nortc thing, it will be usefull |
| 21:31.27 | alan | ok |
| 21:31.27 | brimstone | and the -ffourcc for pre7 |
| 21:31.29 | alan | cool |
| 21:31.42 | brimstone | the clip is still going, so it's all good so far |
| 21:31.47 | alan | what is -ffourcc ? |
| 21:31.54 | brimstone | not sure, but i need that when i encode |
| 21:32.13 | alan | oh... mpg4 option... |
| 21:32.26 | alan | why do you need that ? |
| 21:33.08 | brimstone | if i don't have it, mplayer doesn't know what codec it is |
| 21:33.17 | brimstone | it just freaks out and doesn't play the video |
| 21:33.26 | alan | that is strange... |
| 21:33.29 | brimstone | what about strange aspects? |
| 21:33.38 | alan | ?? |
| 21:33.49 | brimstone | how do i tell it to put black on the top or bottom if it's not tall enough? |
| 21:34.10 | brimstone | like, i got the new harry potter trailer, and it's stretched too tall |
| 21:34.11 | brimstone | looks odd |
| 21:34.25 | alan | mencoder -vf scale=320:240,eq2=1.0:0.6:0.1:0.7 |
| 21:34.56 | alan | plus -vop scale=320:240 |
| 21:35.03 | brimstone | oh, excellent |
| 21:35.06 | brimstone | i'll try that then |
| 21:35.08 | alan | ^^ |
| 21:35.18 | alan | killbill2 in 16/9 |
| 21:37.34 | brimstone | excellent, no crashes |
| 21:40.32 | alan | glop glop |
| 21:42.06 | brimstone | man, this is the 5th time today i've compiled mencoder :/ |
| 21:42.15 | brimstone | needed the winderz codecs for this next test |
| 21:44.38 | brimstone | the scrolling "skipping frame" errors concern me |
| 21:44.44 | brimstone | but it works still :/ |
| 21:48.01 | alan | works for me. |
| 21:48.23 | brimstone | ok, transfering the file for the final test |
| 21:48.28 | brimstone | then, it's posting time |
| 21:49.05 | alan | i think it is related to the fps. It's much more difficult to skip frames and to keep the ausdio sync when there is more fps to decode. |
| 21:49.23 | brimstone | yeah, i was thinking the saem thing |
| 21:49.25 | brimstone | *same |
| 21:51.21 | alan | so ? verdict ? |
| 21:51.41 | brimstone | verdict is that i need to fix the right arrow suspend bug |
| 21:51.48 | alan | ^^ |
| 21:52.06 | alan | indeed, someone should fix this stupid bug |
| 21:52.36 | alan | they sy it is related to 2.4.18 kernel. 2.6 will solve it. |
| 21:52.40 | alan | say* |
| 21:52.44 | brimstone | :/ |
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| 21:53.11 | alan | clone war has begun |
| 21:53.16 | alan | ^^ |
| 21:53.20 | brimstone | :] |
| 21:53.44 | lardman|gone | This (http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=12443&view=findpost&p=79946) has pissed me off |
| 21:53.45 | brimstone | 15fps is a little jumpy |
| 21:53.52 | brimstone | need to make it a little more |
| 21:54.00 | alan | oO |
| 21:54.40 | lardman | The bit rumourmongering about people on irc, I'm annoyed |
| 21:58.12 | lardman | Anyway, now that my ire has abated, evening all |
| 21:58.13 | alan | lardman: what does rumourmongering means ? |
| 21:58.32 | lardman | spreading rumours, which aren't (necessarily) true |
| 21:58.39 | alan | oh ! |
| 21:58.48 | alan | yeah, you are right |
| 21:59.16 | alan | good evening lardman. |
| 22:00.11 | alan | this post IS piece of crap... is pdaxrom team behind this ? (^^ just a joke, hu ?) |
| 22:00.52 | brimstone | alan: it's still streched too tall :/ |
| 22:00.53 | lardman | It's a shame that it has to descend to people calling each other names - that was my issue with it |
| 22:01.48 | lardman | brimstone: did you look at XorA's post on doing video? |
| 22:01.50 | alan | i understand. |
| 22:02.43 | alan | lardman: that is a point we talked about |
| 22:03.21 | alan | brimstone will surely add a comment. I'm sure we will soon be able to provide a how to for each Z model |
| 22:03.49 | lardman | alan: ok, I need to scroll up a bit further :) |
| 22:04.07 | alan | we still need 5500(D) users... |
| 22:04.16 | lardman | for what? |
| 22:05.20 | brimstone | video? |
| 22:05.37 | brimstone | i got a friend that has a 5500... |
| 22:05.39 | alan | yep |
| 22:05.41 | brimstone | not sure if it's D tho |
| 22:05.47 | brimstone | for mplayer testing eh? |
| 22:05.52 | alan | yep |
| 22:06.42 | brimstone | hmm... he doesn't have 3.5.3 on it, but it can be resolved |
| 22:06.48 | alan | ^^ |
| 22:07.24 | alan | i guess the mplayer command will be the same as yours, but mencoders options will have to be lowered... |
| 22:07.45 | lardman | I have a 5500 |
| 22:08.02 | alan | is this the less powerfull one ? |
| 22:09.05 | lardman | The 5500 has 64Mb ram, the 5000D has 32MB - that what you mean? |
| 22:09.32 | lardman | The processors are the same afaik |
| 22:10.07 | alan | ho... so i guess the 5500 will act as the 5600... we need to find some 5500D users to see what we can do for them |
| 22:10.31 | lardman | ? |
| 22:10.50 | lardman | 5500 will stand in for the 5000D you mean? |
| 22:11.37 | lardman | The 5600 is different to the 5500/5000D - different processor (PXA250/255 as opposed to SA1110) and 32MB RAM total |
| 22:12.46 | alan | well... doesn't change much to what i mean : we should find a way to play videos on those models, even if they are less powerfull than the c7x0 serie |
| 22:13.05 | lardman | yes |
| 22:14.06 | lardman | I've had enough of MATLAB for one evening, time for bed |
| 22:14.12 | lardman | bye everyone |
| 22:15.21 | alan | same for me. |
| 22:15.30 | alan | bye brimstone ! |
| 22:16.15 | brimstone | bye! |
| 22:16.20 | brimstone | take luck! |
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| 22:35.27 | KallDrexx | CAn someone point me to a doc on how exactly to sync with Oz cause I can't figure this out and I can't find anything either |
| 22:37.17 | meth0s | anyone using kitchensync and ko/pi together? |
| 22:37.41 | meth0s | im having problems getting it to sync |
| 22:38.34 | meth0s | ive got it poping up the dialog on the z that says syncing but in kitchensync its just sitting at 0% |
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| 22:47.07 | meth0s | actually im using MultiSynk though it pops up on the Z as kitchensync |
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