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| 02:23.11 | jcurry | When i insert my gps cf card, dmesg says ttyS03 is activated, but the file isn't in /dev...what's wrong? |
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| 03:50.32 | shout1sr | hello? |
| 03:50.52 | shout1sr | anyone know what the backup format is for opie? |
| 03:52.30 | meth0s_ | not i |
| 03:53.23 | shout1sr | meth0s: what do you use openzaurus on? |
| 03:53.32 | meth0s_ | c860 |
| 03:53.57 | meth0s_ | but those c3000s are looking pretty sweet |
| 03:53.58 | meth0s_ | heh |
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| 03:55.10 | shout1sr | meth0s: still working with a 5500 and the all the clamshells look neat |
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| 07:51.26 | shanti | hi all |
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| 08:44.01 | digitalwulf | hello! How do I add a new user to zaurus? |
| 08:47.38 | XorA | adduser blah |
| 08:48.15 | digitalwulf | I try "adduser postgres" and it shows me the help:( |
| 08:48.29 | digitalwulf | did I need to define some options? |
| 08:49.39 | XorA | digitalwulf: gimem a sec, just booting |
| 08:50.22 | digitalwulf | the thing is that i'm using qtopia 3.13 instead of openzaurus for now. |
| 08:50.55 | digitalwulf | i'm trying to install postgresql;) |
| 08:51.40 | digitalwulf | xora: did you have some minutes for both of us install postgresql on our both zaurus? |
| 08:51.47 | digitalwulf | :| |
| 08:51.56 | XorA | digitalwulf: where did you get postgres? |
| 08:52.17 | digitalwulf | wait a sec. |
| 08:53.35 | digitalwulf | http://paipai.org/~humorum/pukiwiki/pukiwiki.php?ZaurusPostgreSQL |
| 08:53.44 | digitalwulf | http://www.paipai.org/~humorum/zaurus/ipkg/postgresql_7.4.2-1_arm.ipk |
| 08:53.49 | digitalwulf | http://www.paipai.org/~humorum/zaurus/ipkg/postgresql-lang_7.4.2-1_arm.ipk |
| 08:54.12 | digitalwulf | first you need to install the two packages |
| 08:55.02 | XorA | digitalwulf: not really willing to play with non OZ ipk's |
| 08:55.15 | digitalwulf | you need to put libgcc_s.so.1 in \usr\lib |
| 08:55.55 | digitalwulf | postgresql is a powerfull database;) a MUST for zaurus;) |
| 08:56.13 | XorA | digitalwulf: adduser works in OZ |
| 08:56.31 | hrw|gone | digitalwulf: add it into OE if you need it |
| 08:56.56 | digitalwulf | oe? |
| 08:57.16 | hrw|gone | ~oe |
| 08:57.17 | ibot | well, oe is OpenEmbedded (see http://www.openembedded.org ), or "Opportunistic Encryption" (see http://www.wavesec.org ), or an email client which is not to be spoken of. |
| 08:57.43 | digitalwulf | oh, I see |
| 08:59.21 | digitalwulf | according to the website I don't need to create a new user... |
| 08:59.52 | b0ti | digitalwulf: why do you need postgres? |
| 08:59.52 | digitalwulf | but when I "initdb" at some time when he creates postgresql.conf it says: operation not permitted. |
| 09:00.56 | digitalwulf | b0ti: postgresql is a powerfull database, better than mysql;) |
| 09:01.12 | digitalwulf | mysql version for zaurus doesn't support stored procedures. |
| 09:01.29 | digitalwulf | for example... |
| 09:01.38 | digitalwulf | so, it's a MUST! |
| 09:01.59 | hrw|gone | digitalwulf: if you really need pgsql then add it into OE so it will be in next OZ |
| 09:02.21 | digitalwulf | how? |
| 09:02.25 | b0ti | digitalwulf: better is some ways, but I find mysql to fit my needs better because it's a lot faster. postgres is too heavy. especially for the Z. |
| 09:02.41 | hrw|gone | digitalwulf: http://www.openemebedded.org/ |
| 09:04.05 | b0ti | digitalwulf: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/mysql/en/stored-procedures.html |
| 09:04.48 | digitalwulf | b0ti: mysql 3.22 doesn't have stored procedures... implemented... |
| 09:05.07 | b0ti | IMO, if you need such a complex program that needs stored procedures, Z is not the platform for that. Use sqlite or something slim. |
| 09:05.24 | b0ti | digitalwulf: 3.22 is ancient. |
| 09:05.36 | digitalwulf | b0ti: very ancient;) |
| 09:06.01 | digitalwulf | b0ti: I expect someday someone crosscompile 4 or 5 version to zaurus |
| 09:06.29 | b0ti | for what I do mysql gives my 10 times the speed than postgres can do. |
| 09:06.31 | digitalwulf | b0ti: i tried it the other day, but without success because I don't have too much space on my SD card yet. |
| 09:07.09 | digitalwulf | b0ti: not speaking of firebird that is even better than mysql:) |
| 09:07.43 | digitalwulf | sorry mysql users, but firebird/interbase and postgresql is more powerfull than mysql;) |
| 09:10.45 | hrw|gone | digitalwulf: they all sucks compared to oracle |
| 09:10.52 | digitalwulf | hehe |
| 09:11.01 | hrw|gone | Oracle on Zaurus 5000.... |
| 09:13.02 | b0ti | sybase ASE or IQ is better than oracle in some cases. There is no such thing as the best. All have their advantages and disadvantages. |
| 09:16.02 | digitalwulf | nobody here wants to install postgresql with me? |
| 09:16.57 | hrw|gone | digitalwulf: what for? If I need database other then sqlite3 then I use desktop |
| 09:17.24 | digitalwulf | you can't take a desktop to the coffee;) |
| 09:17.38 | hrw|gone | I dont need pgsql there also |
| 09:18.03 | digitalwulf | following your ideas, why you need a zaurus? |
| 09:18.23 | digitalwulf | when you can always use your desktop? |
| 09:20.22 | hrw|gone | on Z I use pim, have some ebooks to read, take notes |
| 09:21.30 | digitalwulf | Oh, you are a user... I'm a developper, if you want PIM's on your zaurus, we (developpers) need good tools to do it;) |
| 09:22.13 | hrw|gone | digitalwulf: I'm OE,OZ developer - I just dont develop on Z |
| 09:23.01 | b0ti | digitalwulf: if you are gonna develop something for the Z that uses postgres, than I'd say no thank you ;) |
| 09:24.42 | digitalwulf | I will develop it on my desktop, but I need postgresql on zaurus to run! |
| 09:25.25 | digitalwulf | I think 99% of zaurus users are developpers |
| 09:25.58 | digitalwulf | of linux fans. |
| 09:26.09 | b0ti | I'm a developer too, but I still don't get it... |
| 09:26.14 | digitalwulf | that want to play with their Z |
| 09:26.16 | hrw|work | but how many of them develop for Z or on Z? |
| 09:26.52 | digitalwulf | good question... |
| 09:27.09 | XorA | but personally I have no interest in pgsql |
| 09:27.17 | XorA | or my mysql |
| 09:27.25 | XorA | I have enough nightmares at work with db's |
| 09:27.34 | digitalwulf | did you know what atract me on Z? |
| 09:27.54 | digitalwulf | well, linux/unix, mysql, postgresql, freepascal on Z, GCC on Z |
| 09:28.38 | digitalwulf | http,ftp,telnet, etc, etc... |
| 09:29.14 | digitalwulf | XorA: db's is the most important thing for Z make success! |
| 09:29.58 | digitalwulf | db's are used by enterprises, |
| 09:30.07 | digitalwulf | db's are used to develop PIM apps |
| 09:30.21 | digitalwulf | PIM apps is very used by zaurus newbie users. |
| 09:30.46 | digitalwulf | what I would loved is to have also firebird on my Z;) |
| 09:31.16 | digitalwulf | freepascal ported FREEPASCAL to zaurus, because I ask them too!!! |
| 09:31.35 | digitalwulf | freepascal support MYSQL, FIREBIRD, POSTGRESQL!!! |
| 09:31.39 | digitalwulf | ;) |
| 09:31.57 | XorA | digitalwulf: we have sqlite on Z, PIM's use that |
| 09:32.17 | digitalwulf | XorA: I want more:=) |
| 09:32.27 | XorA | digitalwulf: time to roll your sleeves up |
| 09:33.19 | hrw|work | digitalwulf: for me main thing which atract me to Z was sources of all (or most of it) are open |
| 09:34.03 | hrw|work | digitalwulf: method to get what you want is simple... join OE team, add needed things to OpenEmbedded so all next distros will get it |
| 09:34.23 | hrw|work | you will also get fame and glory but that the other story |
| 09:34.44 | hrw|work | (fucks and other bad words from lamers^Wusers will get also) |
| 09:38.24 | XorA | hrw|work: you forgot the hoards of women we get :-) |
| 09:39.42 | b0ti | what's the PREFERRED line for gcc in local.conf? I lost my old .conf file |
| 09:40.22 | hrw|work | XorA: Ania is enough for me ;) |
| 09:43.16 | b0ti | or can I build with the default gcc now? |
| 09:43.36 | b0ti | [soft]float is still broken? |
| 09:44.33 | hrw|work | b0ti: gcc-csl with softfloat works |
| 09:44.43 | hrw|work | does not work with eabi |
| 09:45.21 | XorA | hrw|work: gcc-csl works but produces very much slower code |
| 09:46.28 | b0ti | so what should I do? |
| 09:46.57 | hrw|work | PREFERRED_VERSION_gcc-cross = 3.3.4 (same for -initial) |
| 09:46.58 | XorA | PREFFERRED_VERSION_gcc = 2.4.3 |
| 09:47.19 | XorA | wher in hell did 2.4.3 come from? |
| 09:47.35 | XorA | thats so ancient its probably got a beard to its feet now |
| 09:47.48 | XorA | I need new fingers that actually type what I think |
| 09:47.52 | b0ti | :) |
| 09:49.04 | hrw|work | XorA: ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/old-gnu/gcc/gcc-2.4.5.tar.bz2 is a little newer but maybe will help you ;) |
| 09:49.50 | hrw|work | ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/old-gnu/gcc/Version2.diffs/gcc-2.4.3-2.4.3.1.diff.gz + ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/old-gnu/gcc/Version2.diffs/gcc-2.4.3.1-2.4.4.diff.gz + ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/old-gnu/gcc/Version2.diffs/gcc-2.4.4-2.4.5.diff.gz will give you 2.4.3 |
| 09:50.00 | hrw|work | ;) |
| 09:50.17 | XorA | hrw|work: I think first version of gcc I used was 2.2 or something |
| 09:50.36 | hrw|work | 2.7.2 here |
| 09:50.52 | XorA | way back in 93 |
| 09:50.53 | hrw|work | and linux 2.0.36 iirc |
| 09:51.26 | hrw|work | 93... it was basic times... basic and 6502 asm on atari |
| 09:51.46 | XorA | I do remember buying a new PC with PnP and linux dieing horribly :-) |
| 09:52.41 | XorA | and an ET6000 gfx chip I had to find experimental versions of X for |
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| 10:13.15 | b0ti | bbcow doesn't apply, I tried patching OE and bitbake. Was it integrated? |
| 10:13.26 | b0ti | ~bbcow |
| 10:13.27 | ibot | rumour has it, bbcow is a couple patches for bitbake and openembedded to use copy-on-write for the metadata handling. It greatly reduces memory consumption. Get them at http://www.frankengul.org/~seb/cowbb/. |
| 10:15.23 | hrw|work | bbcow is obsolete |
| 10:15.42 | hrw|work | ibot: bbcow is also now obsolete |
| 10:15.43 | ibot | okay, hrw|work |
| 10:15.46 | hrw|work | ~bbcow |
| 10:15.47 | ibot | i heard bbcow is a couple patches for bitbake and openembedded to use copy-on-write for the metadata handling. It greatly reduces memory consumption. Get them at http://www.frankengul.org/~seb/cowbb/. now obsolete |
| 10:15.58 | hrw|work | b0ti: use bitbake trunk |
| 10:16.03 | hrw|work | 40M memory usage |
| 10:16.07 | hrw|work | ONLY 40M |
| 10:16.19 | b0ti | hrw|work: I just checked out from svn. |
| 10:16.30 | b0ti | at 180Mb my machine borked |
| 10:16.31 | hrw|work | which revision you got? r170? |
| 10:16.44 | b0ti | how do I check it out? |
| 10:16.51 | hrw|work | svn up |
| 10:17.02 | hrw|work | 12:16 hrw@marcinj:bb$ LC_ALL=C svn up |
| 10:17.03 | hrw|work | At revision 170. |
| 10:17.12 | b0ti | svn co svn://svn.berlios.de/bitbake/trunk/bitbake |
| 10:17.18 | b0ti | I did this |
| 10:17.38 | hrw|work | which version you got? I got 170 |
| 10:17.58 | hrw|work | you need to clean cache |
| 10:18.00 | b0ti | # Checked out revision 170. |
| 10:18.05 | hrw|work | ok |
| 10:18.09 | b0ti | I use CACHE="" |
| 10:18.23 | b0ti | fresh install on my work machine |
| 10:19.41 | hrw|work | me too |
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| 10:24.49 | XorA | hrw|work: so for new bb all you need to do is up rev bb, no patches to oe? |
| 10:26.53 | RP | XorA: They're in oe now |
| 10:27.57 | XorA | RP: eeep, just noticed, oe needs the new bb :-) |
| 10:32.22 | b0ti|work | NOTE: Handling BitBake files: / (1312/2363) [55 %] |
| 10:32.27 | b0ti|work | bitbake is at 120M |
| 10:32.35 | b0ti|work | This sucks ass. |
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| 10:37.02 | alan | hi |
| 10:44.26 | stinger | salut |
| 10:44.43 | hrw|work | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:44.51 | hrw|work | b0ti|work: at 1500 packages |
| 10:45.35 | hrw|work | b0ti|work: and it jumps between 42-44M |
| 10:48.54 | XorA | dp 22291 96.6 0.8 42468 9032 pts/0 R+ 11:45 2:47 |
| 10:48.57 | XorA | for me at 1500 |
| 10:50.06 | b0ti|work | so WTF should I change? |
| 10:50.35 | b0ti|work | cache? |
| 10:53.08 | hrw|work | yep |
| 10:56.12 | b0ti|work | looks like that cache does the trick. |
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| 14:32.32 | jaku | do you know if the plug of multisync for the zaurus works with the last Openzaurus 3.5.3 ? |
| 14:33.45 | hrw|work | should |
| 14:33.59 | hrw|work | maybe you will need to install openssh-sftp on Z |
| 14:35.28 | jaku | hrw|work: I would linke to use ftp... is there an ftp server installed in OZ? |
| 14:36.00 | hrw|work | no |
| 14:37.35 | jaku | hrw|work: hm.. ok at the end I'll re-write the help ;) |
| 14:37.43 | XorA | hrw|work: opie itself in qtopia sync mode is an ftp server |
| 14:38.07 | hrw|work | XorA: aha... forgot |
| 14:38.51 | jaku | XorA: so.. there is? |
| 14:39.17 | XorA | though I never got multisync to work that way, it works if you make a user same as desktop on Z, setup dropbear for passwordless login, install openssh-sftp, link /home/desktopuser/Applications to /home/root/Applications |
| 14:40.07 | XorA | then your only problem is finding some app to keep your PIM data on desktop side |
| 14:43.01 | jaku | XorA: how do you sync your data? via ssh? |
| 14:43.48 | XorA | jaku: I did once by ssh, just to prove it can be done, but without a useful app desktop end its a hopeless excersice :-) |
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| 14:45.07 | jaku | XorA: multisync has a plug for it.. and multisync is an "useful app desktop" i think ;) |
| 14:45.21 | XorA | jaku: multisync with what though? |
| 14:45.38 | XorA | jaku: you need opie->somewhere else, I found nothing |
| 14:45.54 | XorA | I suppose I could learn to install ldap |
| 14:46.58 | jaku | XorA: with multisync you can sync evolution (or any ics file like TB calendar) to the opie PIM |
| 14:47.39 | XorA | jaku: well if you found a working version of evolution good on you :-) |
| 14:48.24 | jaku | XorA: I use TB calendar.. :) but the file is the same |
| 14:48.54 | XorA | jaku: evolution just fscks up contacts/appoitments then crashes for me |
| 14:49.11 | XorA | jaku: calendar I have little interest in |
| 14:50.24 | jaku | XorA: I use ubuntu.. I link the TB calnedar file to the ics file of evolution.. so I have the calendar integrated with the desktop app of ubuntu.. but using TB |
| 14:50.33 | XorA | jaku: but anyway, I managed to successfully sync using ssh, never managed it with ftp |
| 14:51.08 | jaku | XorA: ok.. i will try.. tks |
| 14:51.28 | XorA | jaku: but it needs passwordless login, which means you need to do some symlinking from normal user to root user as ssh method ignores username field |
| 14:53.21 | jaku | XorA: yap.. I know.. but I don't like to do a passwordless.. so I would like to use the ftp.. you don't need password with ftp |
| 14:53.23 | XorA | jaku: passwordless uses public key encryption instead of password, its actually more secure |
| 14:54.24 | b0ti|work | I got multisync work with opie |
| 14:54.28 | b0ti|work | that was with 3.5.2 though, haven't tried it with 3.5.3 but should be the same. |
| 14:54.36 | b0ti|work | there was a glitch though, multisync was looking for files in the wrong path, so I hacked that in the multisync source. |
| 14:56.06 | jaku | b0ti|work: do yuo remember the file name? |
| 14:56.07 | XorA | b0ti|work: maybe that was my problem as well |
| 14:56.12 | b0ti|work | evolutions works for me on debian unstable, except for some glitch with the evo-data-server |
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| 14:57.18 | b0ti|work | I think the symlink can solve the same issue |
| 14:57.59 | b0ti|work | if you start with "MULTISYNC_DEBUG=1 multisync" it will help a lot |
| 14:58.10 | jaku | b0ti|work: ok.. I upgrate to 3.5.3 and i'll try.. tks |
| 14:58.37 | b0ti|work | need to go, bye all |
| 15:03.26 | alan_ | bye b0ti |
| 15:03.48 | alan_ | hi everyone, btw |
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| 15:09.07 | KallDrexx | can someone tell me why on Qtopia rom I can successfully install stuff to my fat32 cf but I can't on Oz? It's the only fallback and a major one since I have a 5000D |
| 15:09.41 | alan|philo | the card needs to be formated to ext2... |
| 15:09.47 | KallDrexx | yeah but why can I do it in qtopia |
| 15:10.00 | KallDrexx | I really really don't want to reformat the CF because i've had to reflash 2 timesi n the past week due to errors |
| 15:10.07 | alan|philo | that is a good question. |
| 15:10.12 | alan|philo | i didn't know about this |
| 15:10.27 | KallDrexx | hell just now OZ has completely frozen 3 times while trying to uninstall packages |
| 15:10.39 | hrw|work | you can try to install on vfat card but you wont get symlink support so many pacakges wont work |
| 15:10.40 | KallDrexx | it totally self destructed when I did an upgrade |
| 15:11.07 | KallDrexx | I was able to use opei reader and other apps from my cf from the qtopia rom |
| 15:11.17 | KallDrexx | they showed up in the menu and everything :( |
| 15:11.51 | KallDrexx | btw can someone tell me what the signal SIGBUS is? |
| 15:11.57 | XorA | KallDrexx: split your card into two partitions, one just large enough to flash from in fat, the other in ext2 |
| 15:12.15 | KallDrexx | now theres a good idea |
| 15:12.31 | KallDrexx | what would I need to do that on the Z? |
| 15:12.36 | XorA | fdisk |
| 15:12.48 | XorA | what Z you you? |
| 15:12.54 | KallDrexx | SL-5000D |
| 15:13.05 | XorA | sorry, should have read upwards one more line :-) |
| 15:13.11 | KallDrexx | hehe it's ok :) |
| 15:13.48 | XorA | you also need mke2fs which is in e2fsprogs-blah I think |
| 15:14.17 | KallDrexx | how big do you think I should make the flashing partition? |
| 15:14.32 | XorA | hrw|work: how big for a collie?? |
| 15:14.55 | hrw|work | 16M |
| 15:15.15 | hrw|work | but second cf partition wont be automounted |
| 15:15.37 | XorA | hrw|work: :-( that sucks |
| 15:15.42 | KallDrexx | there's no way to get it to automount? :( |
| 15:15.48 | hrw|work | there is a way |
| 15:15.59 | XorA | ~praise hrw|work |
| 15:16.00 | ibot | All hail hrw|work! |
| 15:16.03 | hrw|work | and I will probably sooner or later patch pcmcia-cs for it |
| 15:16.13 | KallDrexx | awsome! :) |
| 15:16.17 | hrw|work | vi /etc/pcmcia/ide.opts |
| 15:16.33 | hrw|work | copy *,*,*,1) whole part as *,*,*,2) |
| 15:16.44 | KallDrexx | XorA, I have e2fsprogs-mke2fs installed, that all I need to make an ext2? |
| 15:16.44 | hrw|work | change parts="1" to parts="1 2" |
| 15:16.58 | hrw|work | and add one more line to fstab |
| 15:16.59 | XorA | KallDrexx: yes |
| 15:17.36 | hrw|work | first he need to split card |
| 15:18.15 | alan|philo | KallDrexx: do you run windows on your desktop pc ? |
| 15:18.29 | KallDrexx | yes |
| 15:18.35 | KallDrexx | unfortunatly |
| 15:18.38 | alan|philo | ^^ |
| 15:18.55 | KallDrexx | only reason I went back was because most of the stuff I do is windows only :( |
| 15:19.06 | KallDrexx | wow |
| 15:19.08 | alan|philo | well, XorA and hrw|work : maybe a bit more than 16 mo is needed... |
| 15:19.22 | KallDrexx | vi is annoying on the Z or something heh, every time I go up and down after editing it's spamming stdout or something |
| 15:19.30 | hrw|work | alan|philo: 16 |
| 15:19.56 | alan|philo | imagine if he needs to do a nand restore, i don't know why, but it's a suposition. What is the size of the restore file ? |
| 15:20.13 | hrw|work | alan|philo: he has collie - there is NO nand restore |
| 15:20.20 | alan|philo | really ? |
| 15:20.24 | hrw|work | yes |
| 15:20.38 | hrw|work | collie has very very very simple flasher |
| 15:20.47 | KallDrexx | nand? |
| 15:20.56 | alan|philo | ho... There are soooo many things i still have to learn... |
| 15:21.02 | XorA | Not Another Numpty Developer :-) |
| 15:21.24 | XorA | KallDrexx: a way of restoring the whole flash, or backing it up, is on later Z's |
| 15:21.33 | KallDrexx | ahh |
| 15:21.45 | KallDrexx | wish I had a later Z or at least one that wasn't gimped with 32mb of ram |
| 15:22.35 | XorA | KallDrexx: someone on #zaurus the other day claimed his old 5500 was faster than a C3000, maybe you could organise a swap :-) |
| 15:23.00 | alan|philo | ^^ |
| 15:23.02 | KallDrexx | haha |
| 15:23.08 | KallDrexx | I can always hope :P |
| 15:24.51 | KallDrexx | ok stupid question coming |
| 15:25.36 | KallDrexx | how can I copy a section in the console? highligts go away right away |
| 15:26.00 | XorA | KallDrexx: copy/paste icon is at top right of console |
| 15:26.07 | alan|philo | in opie-console, there is a copy tab |
| 15:26.38 | KallDrexx | O.o |
| 15:26.50 | KallDrexx | Z just turned off |
| 15:26.52 | KallDrexx | thats not good |
| 15:27.02 | alan|philo | XorA: too fast you are, young padawan... the dark side of the force is getting you... |
| 15:27.25 | alan|philo | KallDrexx: did you keep the right key pressed ? |
| 15:27.35 | alan|philo | it's a known bug |
| 15:27.37 | KallDrexx | yeah i was going to the right |
| 15:27.38 | KallDrexx | ahhh |
| 15:27.51 | alan|philo | sorry, but there is no fix for this... |
| 15:28.06 | KallDrexx | guess I won't hold the right button :) |
| 15:28.13 | alan|philo | let's wait for 3.5.4 with a 2.6 kernel... ^^ |
| 15:28.20 | XorA | sorry guys, time to shoot to meeting |
| 15:28.30 | KallDrexx | thanks for the help XOrA|gone |
| 15:28.32 | alan|philo | shoot fair ! |
| 15:28.38 | KallDrexx | and the rest of you, gotta go to class :( |
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| 16:05.28 | orangey | hey all! |
| 16:05.46 | orangey | I was wondering if openzaurus runs any palm / pocketpc emulation (the former with qpose, maybe?) |
| 16:12.33 | jaku | I upgrade to 3.5.3 from the sharp rom.. do you kknow the password for the ssh? ssh root@192.168.129.201 right? |
| 16:13.04 | alan|philo | yep, but first you need to set a root pasword on your Z |
| 16:13.10 | alan|philo | even a blank one works |
| 16:15.32 | jaku | alan|philo: tks.. works :) |
| 16:15.39 | alan|philo | ^^ |
| 16:16.40 | alan|philo | orangey: that is a strange idea... what do you need that comes from palm and that has no equivalence on oe ? |
| 16:19.12 | orangey | alan|philo, medical software |
| 16:19.25 | orangey | alan|philo, unless you can point to any.. : ) |
| 16:20.52 | alan|philo | ^^ i never see the doctor |
| 16:22.05 | orangey | alan|philo, not necessarily a good thing : ) |
| 16:22.34 | alan|philo | yeah... i know... the "never say never" thing ^^ |
| 16:24.47 | jaku | is there a site like killefiz for the software of 3.5.3? |
| 16:26.32 | alan|philo | not to my knowledge... |
| 16:29.45 | Pend-Gone | the feeds have almost everything you could want =-p |
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| 16:32.20 | offroadgeek | Pend-Gone: true, but the feeds don't tell a newbie what a specific app is or does... |
| 16:32.38 | jaku | offroadgeek: yap.. :) |
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| 16:33.04 | Pend-Gone | if you click and hold on it, the info pops up =-) |
| 16:33.17 | offroadgeek | since I can't help much (or at all) in the area of development for oz, I could try to help with documentation... and the apps feed is one area that should be tackled |
| 16:33.28 | Pend-Gone | how goes it offroadgeek? |
| 16:33.37 | offroadgeek | Pend-Gone: great.. and you? |
| 16:34.26 | Pend-Gone | up and down overall... one nice up is that my wife is going to have a baby =-) |
| 16:34.37 | Pend-Gone | better be a girl this time =-d |
| 16:34.38 | offroadgeek | congrats! |
| 16:34.42 | Pend-Gone | thanks |
| 16:34.52 | Pend-Gone | should be due Dec. 22'ish .. so christmas baby |
| 16:35.11 | offroadgeek | my older brother had two boys before he finally got his girl |
| 16:37.03 | offroadgeek | why are there no decent browsers compiled for oz/opie? |
| 16:37.24 | Pend-Gone | doh don't tell me that =-( |
| 16:37.38 | CoreDump|home | konq/e works fine here |
| 16:37.50 | offroadgeek | Pend-Gone: yeah... they were terrified that they'd end up with three boys! |
| 16:37.56 | Pend-Gone | =-x the horror |
| 16:38.09 | Pend-Gone | I have konq installed now, haven't tried opera yet on 3.5.3 |
| 16:38.17 | Pend-Gone | I heard there were issues w/ it |
| 16:38.37 | offroadgeek | CoreDump|home: with 3.5.3 on my 1000 konq/e crashes frequently.. especially when on the forums (it crashes every time I click the search link, for example) |
| 16:38.56 | CoreDump|home | hmm |
| 16:39.07 | offroadgeek | maybe it's those crappy forums ;) |
| 16:39.20 | CoreDump|home | ;) |
| 16:39.59 | Pend-Gone | bah I have to find my other dsl filter.. the new phone is screwing up my latency |
| 16:42.09 | CoreDump|home | offroadgeek: works for me |
| 16:42.29 | offroadgeek | so it is the forums! |
| 16:42.39 | CoreDump|home | oesf.org works here |
| 16:42.52 | CoreDump|home | the search link, too :) |
| 16:42.58 | offroadgeek | what are you running (opie/model z?) |
| 16:43.30 | Pend-Gone | all you need is telnet or something akin to read websites and irc =-d |
| 16:43.51 | offroadgeek | all you need is another boy ;) |
| 16:45.52 | CoreDump|home | offroadgeek: custom OZ ROM / collie |
| 16:45.59 | CoreDump|home | opie |
| 16:46.26 | Pend-Gone | offroadgeek: =-{ |
| 16:47.31 | offroadgeek | CoreDump|home: are you offering to build me a custom OZ ROM for my akita?!? |
| 16:48.04 | CoreDump|home | heh, can't do that w/o an akita :) |
| 16:49.18 | alan|philo | her, sorry to disturb (and btw, congrats Pend-Gone) but does mplayer support subtittles files ? |
| 16:51.09 | alan|philo | (24 seasons 3&4 on a Z... wow... i whish a had a 4 gigs microdrive... 48 hours non stop watching my Z ^^) |
| 17:07.41 | offroadgeek | how easy is it to change the keymappings around in oz/opie? |
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| 17:09.04 | offroadgeek | f'ing dsl is on the fritz... |
| 17:12.56 | alan|philo | offroadgeek: custom keyboard does it's job, but it's a one by one key setting... |
| 17:17.59 | blk-majik | anyone ever use the fluke networks etherscope? |
| 17:18.18 | blk-majik | has a cool tool that i want to try to get on the Z =) |
| 17:18.29 | blk-majik | runs opie and such, so should be kinda easy to do |
| 17:19.07 | blk-majik | http://www.flukenetworks.com/NR/rdonlyres/e2se4x44w7cvzvbytwpchf6hjwt5win2enq2fw5nje37dd5pluf5palbibgoi5zd7nhoi4q2qukz4rg2nhgxmyjxb4h/GigabitMainMenu.gif |
| 17:19.10 | blk-majik | that, for the most part |
| 17:19.27 | blk-majik | err.sorry |
| 17:20.49 | blk-majik | http://tinyurl.co.uk/rpsr |
| 17:20.51 | blk-majik | try that instead =) |
| 17:31.39 | jaku | where I have to put the public ssh-keygen in the z? |
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| 17:55.41 | Rupert-Giles | openbsd 3.7 on Z C3000 is phat |
| 18:03.09 | DrHyde | does "phat" mean good, bad, indifferent, bloated, ... ? |
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| 18:03.57 | Rupert-Giles | good fast non-bloated |
| 18:04.09 | DrHyde | might have to give it a go then. |
| 18:04.17 | Rupert-Giles | yup |
| 18:04.19 | DrHyde | i think i get double insane points for doing it :-) |
| 18:04.25 | Rupert-Giles | i've got blackbox running |
| 18:04.31 | Rupert-Giles | playing xbill |
| 18:04.33 | Rupert-Giles | hawhaw |
| 18:04.54 | Rupert-Giles | with my cough powerfuff-girls.jpg cough wallpaper |
| 18:04.55 | Rupert-Giles | ;D |
| 18:07.30 | XOrA|gone | Rupert-Giles: be careful or we'll have to kick yah blaspheming ass off the channel :-) |
| 18:07.50 | Rupert-Giles | hawhaw |
| 18:07.54 | Rupert-Giles | XorA|gone, :D |
| 18:08.29 | Gondola | how easy is it to get openbsd working on the z? do you get SD and CF drivers? |
| 18:08.41 | XorA|gone | Rupert-Giles: I was tempted to try OpenBSD just to compare to OZ |
| 18:09.06 | XorA|gone | Rupert-Giles: at least with BSD license we can nick any leet code |
| 18:09.26 | Rupert-Giles | i like it cause it 's full blown BSD where i can compile code and do normal stuff |
| 18:09.33 | Rupert-Giles | damn that sharp rom was shitty |
| 18:09.51 | Rupert-Giles | ;) |
| 18:10.10 | Gondola | Rupert-Giles: how long did it take you to install? |
| 18:10.17 | Rupert-Giles | not long |
| 18:10.31 | Rupert-Giles | about 1hr |
| 18:10.43 | Rupert-Giles | heh nick leet code |
| 18:11.06 | Rupert-Giles | and plus i found where the { char was |
| 18:11.07 | Rupert-Giles | heh |
| 18:11.38 | XorA|gone | Rupert-Giles: is it a complete new kernel + root filesystem? |
| 18:12.14 | Rupert-Giles | it's like snapshot of 3.7 and it works beside like sharp rom |
| 18:12.36 | Rupert-Giles | there is like a boot loader |
| 18:12.37 | XorA|gone | Rupert-Giles: so its bootedfrom inside linux? |
| 18:12.43 | Rupert-Giles | no |
| 18:12.48 | Rupert-Giles | you run the installer inside linux |
| 18:12.53 | XorA|gone | Rupert-Giles: oooh, bootloader, must check out |
| 18:13.02 | Rupert-Giles | heh |
| 18:13.09 | XorA|gone | anyway, Im gone again, cya |
| 18:13.13 | Rupert-Giles | later |
| 18:13.14 | Rupert-Giles | :D |
| 18:13.18 | Gondola | later XorA |
| 18:16.48 | Gondola | Hmm I wonder if my internal wifi would work with openbsd |
| 18:16.49 | Rupert-Giles | ill take a picture of my z with my camera |
| 18:16.51 | Rupert-Giles | heh |
| 18:33.11 | Rupert-Giles | http://www.neilmathers.co.uk/Zaur2.jpg |
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| 18:46.29 | alan|philo | My wife's mother works for a marketing society. She has been send in a shop with an ipaq in order to ask questions to people about what could be better in the shop. One question in the prog made the ipaq bug, and she lost EVERYTHING in a crash... |
| 18:48.17 | alan|philo | it happened to me (losing docs in a crash) on my Z when i was still a default rom user, some time ago. |
| 18:48.58 | alan|philo | this makes me think there is something much better in the partition management or something in custom roms than in official roms. |
| 18:49.58 | alan|philo | If openzaurus or familiar had some marketing oriented progs, i'm sure it could be a very interesting solution for professional use. |
| 18:51.11 | alan|philo | but like we say in France, "i say this, i say nothing..." |
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| 21:10.27 | alan|philo | any 5xxx user in here ? |
| 21:11.07 | alan|philo | i want to check a way to encode videos for those elder zaurii |
| 21:19.40 | alan|philo | mmm... noone.... |
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| 21:20.16 | alan|philo | it's nearly time to go to bed for me. If someone wants to try it here are instructions |
| 21:20.55 | alan|philo | Encode video with |
| 21:20.55 | alan|philo | mencoder FILE-IN.avi -srate 24000 -ofps 12 -sws 2 -ovc lavc -vf scale=176:144,eq2=1.0:0.6:0.1:0.7 -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg4:vhq:vbitrate=80 -lameopts cbr:br=32:mode=3 -vop scale=176:144 -oac mp3lame -o FILE-OUT.avi |
| 21:20.55 | alan|philo | and play it with |
| 21:20.55 | alan|philo | fbset -n -xres 144 -yres 176; mplayer -ac mad -ao oss -framedrop -really-quiet -vop rotate=1 -geometry 144x176+0+0 $@; fbset -n -xres 320 -yres 240 |
| 21:21.54 | alan|philo | can some 5xxx users test this method and report to oesf.org forum, in the OZ section please ? |
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