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| 04:39.04 | tpdd | Im not a developer so please understand i mean this as a question not a jab, what makes it so hard to get working alarms in OZ or pdaxrom? Has sharp made it difficult some how? |
| 04:39.32 | tpdd | And is there anything people who dont code can do to help? |
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| 10:16.08 | digitalwulf | hello |
| 10:16.32 | digitalwulf | when I logout from QPE, I'm not able to login again with the same username!!! |
| 10:29.44 | luke-jr_ | ... |
| 10:30.48 | luke-jr_ | works fine here |
| 10:31.22 | digitalwulf | my zaurus model is SL-5500 and what is yours? |
| 10:33.13 | luke-jr_ | SL-C760 |
| 10:33.47 | digitalwulf | also, I can't install IPK's... |
| 10:33.59 | digitalwulf | doesn't QPE search for IPK's? |
| 10:34.10 | digitalwulf | or it have a specific package? |
| 10:34.31 | luke-jr_ | I've always installed pkgs from the commandline |
| 10:34.54 | digitalwulf | pkgs=ipk? |
| 10:35.17 | digitalwulf | why the command line, when you can install using graphical mode? :) |
| 10:36.50 | luke-jr_ | 1, because graphical mode has never been reliable, even with Opie |
| 10:37.06 | luke-jr_ | 2. command line is always faster than graphical modes for almost any task |
| 10:38.21 | digitalwulf | xiiii ... python for zaurus: http://www.vanille.de/projects/python.spy |
| 10:40.55 | luke-jr_ | whatever that means... |
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| 12:16.18 | digitalwulf | How do I change the background on opie? |
| 12:18.43 | CoreDump|home | the tabmanager can do that IIRC |
| 12:19.07 | digitalwulf | tabmanager? |
| 12:19.38 | CoreDump|home | in the settings tab. it might not be installed by default, dunno |
| 12:19.49 | digitalwulf | oh |
| 12:20.52 | digitalwulf | where I can get that tabmanager.ipk? |
| 12:21.19 | digitalwulf | i'm searching for it in the feed, but I can found it... |
| 12:21.22 | digitalwulf | can't found it |
| 12:23.09 | CoreDump|home | ./opie/opie-tabmanager_1.2.0-r0_arm.ipk |
| 12:24.05 | digitalwulf | thanks |
| 12:24.08 | CoreDump|home | np |
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| 15:37.38 | digitalwulf | hi |
| 15:38.25 | digitalwulf | I installed openzaurus 3.1.3 on zaurus... a problem: |
| 15:38.55 | digitalwulf | for some reason I was working with it, and it suspend... now I can't turn it on! |
| 15:39.44 | digitalwulf | it isn't the battery, because it's connected to power supply! |
| 15:39.53 | digitalwulf | :| |
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| 15:57.13 | B0Ti | digital: if the battery level is too low, you will need to charge a bit until you can turn it on. |
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| 18:28.02 | moose | Anyone notice that its hard to use the Z for any real reason besides just hacking around? |
| 18:34.11 | CoreDump|home | depends on what you want to do with it, right? It works perfectly fine for me. I don't use it as a traditional PDA though |
| 18:38.01 | moose | well OZ is not as flexible as I would like |
| 18:38.15 | moose | the main thing I don't like about it it the documents tab |
| 18:38.31 | moose | without it you can't get to your work and using it is irksome |
| 18:38.50 | CoreDump|home | well, OZ comes w/ a filemanager. |
| 18:39.03 | moose | why can't you have a normal desktop were apps and docs cohabitate? |
| 18:41.02 | CoreDump|home | heh dunno |
| 18:41.22 | moose | do you have a wifi card |
| 18:41.25 | moose | for the Z |
| 18:41.28 | CoreDump|home | yeah |
| 18:41.31 | moose | oh |
| 18:41.40 | moose | then it becomes much more usefull |
| 18:41.49 | CoreDump|home | indeed |
| 18:42.06 | CoreDump|home | and installing apps is a breeze :) |
| 18:42.08 | moose | do any wardriving |
| 18:42.20 | CoreDump|home | did that in the past for fun |
| 18:42.33 | CoreDump|home | the range of the CF cards ain't very good |
| 18:42.46 | moose | you run *nix on your regular box right? |
| 18:44.08 | CoreDump|home | yep |
| 18:44.46 | moose | what flavor |
| 18:44.52 | moose | Im running slackware |
| 18:45.02 | CoreDump|home | debian SID |
| 18:45.11 | moose | cool |
| 18:45.14 | moose | ever run a bsd |
| 18:45.18 | CoreDump|home | nah |
| 18:45.27 | moose | i wanna try openbsd |
| 18:45.31 | CoreDump|home | I'm to lazy to learn something new :) |
| 18:45.42 | moose | what shell you use? |
| 18:45.46 | CoreDump|home | bash |
| 18:45.59 | moose | same but Im learning zsh |
| 18:46.17 | CoreDump|home | where's the difference? |
| 18:46.49 | CoreDump|home | i have to fight w/ csh on solaris from time to time. It. Sucks. Bad. |
| 18:46.53 | moose | zsh has better tab compleation and more control over login and logout scripts |
| 18:47.07 | moose | everyone knows csh and tcsh are the devil |
| 18:47.33 | moose | A C shell - who thought up that one |
| 18:47.40 | CoreDump|home | indeed |
| 18:48.02 | moose | I don't even use C as a lang much less for everyday use |
| 18:48.41 | CoreDump|home | I like bash |
| 18:48.44 | CoreDump|home | :) |
| 18:48.49 | CoreDump|home | bash + screen |
| 18:48.56 | moose | screen? |
| 18:49.14 | CoreDump|home | you don't know screen? _The_ most usefull console app ever |
| 18:49.27 | moose | is it like MC |
| 18:49.31 | CoreDump|home | nah |
| 18:49.42 | moose | show me a project page |
| 18:49.50 | CoreDump|home | it's like a normal shell, but you can "log out" and reconnect to it |
| 18:50.06 | moose | link? |
| 18:50.09 | CoreDump|home | and multiple "windows" |
| 18:50.34 | moose | why not just use X with xterms? |
| 18:50.37 | CoreDump|home | http://www.linuxforum.com/shell/screen/134-35.php |
| 18:51.02 | CoreDump|home | but i do :) one xterm can have as many shells as you want w/ screen |
| 18:51.52 | CoreDump|home | lets say you fire up a screen in a xterm pre-configured to SSH into all you remote boxen |
| 18:52.07 | CoreDump|home | you can easily switch between them |
| 18:53.00 | moose | well I don't do alot of remote work but it looks good - low footprint I guess |
| 18:53.38 | CoreDump|home | yeah |
| 18:53.58 | CoreDump|home | you get addicted to it functionality quite fast |
| 18:54.05 | moose | so you do lots of work with ssh |
| 18:54.28 | CoreDump|home | not that much. it was just an example |
| 18:54.32 | moose | oh |
| 18:54.53 | moose | do other people know your a linux user? |
| 18:56.31 | CoreDump|home | yep |
| 18:57.08 | CoreDump|home | I rub it in their face when yet another windows worm is spreading :D |
| 18:58.10 | moose | lol |
| 18:58.55 | moose | People at my school have no idea what it is and really don't understand that Windows is seperate from the computer itself |
| 18:59.08 | moose | so its pointless to try to explain |
| 19:01.08 | CoreDump|home | heh, at work we mainly have Unix machines: solaris, QNX, interactive Unix etc. So, one day we had to plug 4 XP machines into our net. It took two fucking hours for them to get infected with $SOME_RANDOM_WINDOWS_GARBAGE |
| 19:03.11 | moose | arg! |
| 19:03.44 | CoreDump|home | yep, and people think I'm funny for hating windows so much pffff ;) |
| 19:04.02 | moose | I have a winxph on my drive but hardly ever use it - it gets gummed up by who knows what and reboots when I try to watch movies |
| 19:05.51 | CoreDump|home | bitrot heh |
| 19:06.39 | moose | yea |
| 19:07.04 | moose | and to top it off theirs no docs to grok so even I wanted to fix it I can't |
| 19:07.21 | moose | windows documentation sucks so badly it makes me sick |
| 19:09.12 | moose | do you know any other cool IRC channels on the regular servers? |
| 19:09.46 | CoreDump|home | hmm not really |
| 19:09.58 | CoreDump|home | forget #debian, worst channel ever |
| 19:10.39 | moose | why? |
| 19:10.45 | moose | scriptkids? |
| 19:11.14 | CoreDump|home | that, too. But even the regulars are a bunch of unfriendly bastards |
| 19:11.20 | moose | ouch |
| 19:11.50 | moose | hmm perhaps I should go slumming and visit a scriptkiddie channel |
| 19:12.08 | CoreDump|home | hehe |
| 19:12.19 | CoreDump|home | it sucks to be DDOSed off the net though |
| 19:12.34 | moose | well my ship is locked up very tight |
| 19:12.57 | moose | no servers and almost all ports are shut and drop trafic |
| 19:13.06 | CoreDump|home | which of course doesn't matter much if your link get filled up |
| 19:13.10 | CoreDump|home | :) |
| 19:13.10 | moose | yea |
| 19:13.22 | moose | but I can just dial back in |
| 19:13.35 | moose | Im on a modem so my IP changes |
| 19:13.53 | luke-jr_ | just tell em your IP is 2130706433 |
| 19:14.33 | moose | ill tell them its 127.0.0.1 |
| 19:14.51 | luke-jr_ | They'll recognise that... 2130706433 is better |
| 19:15.01 | CoreDump|home | luke-jr_: what would that be? |
| 19:15.05 | luke-jr_ | ping it |
| 19:15.19 | moose | what is it? some sort of loopback or a gov site? |
| 19:15.31 | luke-jr_ | 127.0.0.1, but not split by octals =p |
| 19:15.32 | CoreDump|home | luke-jr_: _nice_ |
| 19:15.39 | moose | very |
| 19:16.35 | moose | core: can you run nmap on my ip? |
| 19:17.06 | CoreDump|home | sure |
| 19:17.14 | moose | put the results here |
| 19:18.03 | CoreDump|home | PORT STATE SERVICE |
| 19:18.03 | CoreDump|home | 22/tcp open ssh |
| 19:18.03 | CoreDump|home | 1720/tcp filtered H.323/Q.931 |
| 19:18.21 | CoreDump|home | and whatever 1720 is heh. VPN or some such? |
| 19:18.27 | moose | yea |
| 19:19.14 | CoreDump|home | I'm behind a hardware NAT box :)safe enough |
| 19:19.43 | moose | im behind just software |
| 19:20.09 | moose | can I portscan you core? |
| 19:20.21 | CoreDump|home | fire away |
| 19:20.34 | CoreDump|home | but would be pointless though, I'm behind a proxy heh |
| 19:20.57 | moose | oh - one of those proxy people |
| 19:21.39 | moose | what IRC client are you using |
| 19:22.32 | CoreDump|home | xchat and you? |
| 19:22.36 | moose | same |
| 19:22.44 | moose | how then are you proxying |
| 19:22.57 | moose | some sort of proxychain sw? |
| 19:23.03 | CoreDump|home | my proxy acts as a normal IRC server |
| 19:23.10 | moose | oh |
| 19:23.13 | CoreDump|home | :) |
| 19:23.17 | moose | is it a public proxy |
| 19:23.20 | CoreDump|home | nope |
| 19:23.34 | CoreDump|home | I'd guess those are hard to find |
| 19:23.37 | moose | cool |
| 19:23.46 | moose | did you set it up or what |
| 19:25.10 | CoreDump|home | yup |
| 19:25.14 | moose | cool |
| 19:25.23 | CoreDump|home | I have my own server :) |
| 19:25.38 | moose | cool |
| 19:26.41 | moose | Anyone think the net is going down hill? |
| 19:27.59 | CoreDump|home | not really |
| 19:28.14 | moose | More and more gov and corp control, idiot laws, blogs, people that tA1k l|k3 |-|tis and AIM |
| 19:29.53 | luke-jr_ | portscan me =p |
| 19:29.57 | luke-jr_ | I've got a ton open, I'm sure |
| 19:30.31 | moose | ok |
| 19:30.40 | moose | hope my isp is chill with it |
| 19:30.43 | luke-jr_ | hopefully nothing insecure tho |
| 19:31.02 | luke-jr_ | lol... wanna piss off script kiddies? =p |
| 19:31.11 | luke-jr_ | setup tarpit and give em your real IP |
| 19:31.11 | moose | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:31.20 | moose | hehe |
| 19:31.48 | moose | like flies to the... honeypot |
| 19:31.58 | luke-jr_ | ;) |
| 19:32.03 | CoreDump|home | moose: when I look at my sever logs, it seems most ISPs don't give a rats ass about what you do |
| 19:32.22 | moose | yea - they just say they do in the TOS |
| 19:32.28 | luke-jr_ | or, instead of rejecting closed ports, bounce everything to them to the origin IP |
| 19:32.50 | luke-jr_ | something wrong w/ portscanning? |
| 19:32.54 | luke-jr_ | I do it semi-regularly =p |
| 19:33.01 | moose | hmm |
| 19:33.09 | moose | this will sound stupid |
| 19:33.29 | moose | I can see your IP but I can't see it and then put it into nmap |
| 19:33.41 | luke-jr_ | ??? |
| 19:34.02 | luke-jr_ | 207.192.221.172 is my unfirewalled IP |
| 19:34.09 | moose | ok |
| 19:34.20 | luke-jr_ | utopios.org points to my firewalled one |
| 19:34.41 | luke-jr_ | not much different, seeing as I'm DMZ on the firewall =p |
| 19:34.54 | CoreDump|home | heh |
| 19:34.57 | luke-jr_ | I'm sure nmap -O will work better on the non-firewalled tho |
| 19:35.31 | moose | Interesting ports on 207.192.221.172: |
| 19:35.31 | moose | (The 1639 ports scanned but not shown below are in state: closed) |
| 19:35.31 | moose | PORT STATE SERVICE |
| 19:35.31 | moose | 20/tcp open ftp-data |
| 19:35.31 | moose | 22/tcp open ssh |
| 19:35.32 | moose | 25/tcp open smtp |
| 19:35.34 | moose | 53/tcp open domain |
| 19:35.36 | moose | 80/tcp open http |
| 19:35.38 | moose | 111/tcp open rpcbind |
| 19:35.40 | moose | 135/tcp filtered msrpc |
| 19:35.42 | moose | 143/tcp open imap |
| 19:35.44 | moose | 443/tcp open https |
| 19:35.48 | moose | 445/tcp filtered microsoft-ds |
| 19:35.50 | moose | 465/tcp open smtps |
| 19:35.52 | moose | 631/tcp open ipp |
| 19:35.54 | moose | 873/tcp open rsync |
| 19:35.56 | moose | 978/tcp open unknown |
| 19:35.58 | moose | 993/tcp open imaps |
| 19:36.01 | moose | 4444/tcp filtered krb524 |
| 19:36.02 | moose | 6000/tcp open X11 |
| 19:36.04 | moose | 6002/tcp open X11:2 |
| 19:36.06 | moose | 6009/tcp open X11:9 |
| 19:36.08 | moose | 32778/tcp open sometimes-rpc19 |
| 19:36.10 | moose | wow |
| 19:36.11 | CoreDump|home | sheesh |
| 19:36.12 | moose | lots of ports |
| 19:36.31 | moose | do people really log in with remote X sessions on your box luke? |
| 19:37.06 | luke-jr_ | no |
| 19:37.14 | luke-jr_ | and if they do, they should use SSH |
| 19:37.24 | moose | better turn that off |
| 19:37.39 | luke-jr_ | can't |
| 19:37.45 | luke-jr_ | need it for LAN stuff |
| 19:37.46 | moose | why not? |
| 19:37.49 | moose | oh |
| 19:38.09 | luke-jr_ | I could possibly iptables it out, but then I need to setup iptables |
| 19:38.17 | luke-jr_ | and X auth works, right? |
| 19:38.25 | moose | well I hope it is filtered so only lan IPs can use it |
| 19:39.00 | luke-jr_ | X auth doesn't work? |
| 19:39.11 | moose | I don't know much about it |
| 19:39.32 | moose | I just figure I will never use it so I closed it |
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| 19:40.37 | FlEeFlIcK | hi, can anyone tell me how to install opera on my zaurus sl-5500 running openzaurus? |
| 19:40.58 | CoreDump|home | luke-jr_: looks good |
| 19:41.05 | luke-jr_ | CoreDump|home: ? |
| 19:41.10 | CoreDump|home | xauth |
| 19:41.18 | moose | Hark! someone who actually wants help with the Z |
| 19:41.21 | CoreDump|home | :) not your desktop heh |
| 19:41.43 | FlEeFlIcK | i just need an internet browser but can't find one |
| 19:41.49 | FlEeFlIcK | any recommendations? |
| 19:41.56 | moose | its my understanding that you need to run a script on the Z when you have the defaut ROM on it |
| 19:42.28 | moose | look around the zaurus software site |
| 19:43.35 | FlEeFlIcK | moose: hmm..i've looked there, but can't seem to find anything on opera |
| 19:44.02 | luke-jr_ | CoreDump|home: heh |
| 19:44.07 | luke-jr_ | FlEeFlIcK: FireFox works |
| 19:44.37 | FlEeFlIcK | luke-jr_: really? can you give me a link? |
| 19:44.51 | moose | konquoror works |
| 19:45.02 | FlEeFlIcK | mevermind...i found it at ipkgfind |
| 19:45.13 | moose | good |
| 19:45.27 | luke-jr_ | FlEeFlIcK: Assuming you have an X server |
| 19:45.46 | moose | hey luke is the tarpit very safe ie can an attacter bust through it and attack your real system? |
| 19:45.47 | luke-jr_ | moose: Konqueror does not work without KDE |
| 19:46.12 | luke-jr_ | moose: tarpit is a action, like DROP for iptables |
| 19:46.30 | moose | luke http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=39 |
| 19:46.32 | luke-jr_ | moose: it accepts the connection and refuses to close it, tying up the attacker's port |
| 19:46.33 | FlEeFlIcK | holy...alot of dependencies for firefox |
| 19:46.42 | luke-jr_ | moose: Konqueror/E sucks and is nothing like real Konq |
| 19:46.48 | moose | oh |
| 19:46.54 | luke-jr_ | FlEeFlIcK: FF is certainly big, too |
| 19:46.55 | moose | I have never used it myself |
| 19:47.10 | luke-jr_ | moose: Konq/E doesn't even support tabs and crashes on cookies |
| 19:47.35 | FlEeFlIcK | crap...tons of dependency errors...all i want is a browser |
| 19:48.10 | moose | I just read that FF is only for the clamshell sort of Z's |
| 19:48.15 | moose | not collie |
| 19:48.23 | luke-jr_ | FlEeFlIcK: FireFox requires an X server, so it won't run w/ Qtopioa or Opie... |
| 19:48.35 | luke-jr_ | moose: might not work well on Collie's screen size... |
| 19:48.51 | luke-jr_ | There's Minimo also, but I hate its limitations and tab support |
| 19:49.07 | moose | I think there is a script that you run while you have the factory ROM that makes an ipkg of Opera and the Handcom apps |
| 19:49.36 | moose | then you can pop it on a CF and then install them once you flash to OZ |
| 19:49.59 | luke-jr_ | but then you're limited to Opie :| |
| 19:50.06 | luke-jr_ | and you need the compatibility ipk, which isn't small |
| 19:50.20 | moose | well bollocs then! |
| 19:50.36 | moose | what do you use core? |
| 19:50.47 | CoreDump|home | opie |
| 19:50.55 | moose | no for a browser |
| 19:51.05 | CoreDump|home | but currently I'm playing with a combined opie/GPE ROM |
| 19:51.07 | CoreDump|home | ah# |
| 19:51.12 | CoreDump|home | konqueror/e |
| 19:51.17 | luke-jr_ | CoreDump|home: why combined? |
| 19:51.21 | moose | does it suck? |
| 19:51.21 | CoreDump|home | i dont use it much :) |
| 19:51.33 | luke-jr_ | CoreDump|home: why not get Qt/X11 2.x to work? =p |
| 19:51.48 | CoreDump|home | luke-jr_: no fun in that :) |
| 19:51.53 | moose | doesn't X have a large footprint? |
| 19:51.58 | luke-jr_ | moose: not really |
| 19:52.05 | moose | cool |
| 19:52.05 | CoreDump|home | it's a little bit slow when gpe and opie run at the same time |
| 19:52.07 | luke-jr_ | but then, my Z has 128 MB of disk |
| 19:52.19 | moose | what sort of Z |
| 19:52.22 | luke-jr_ | C760 |
| 19:52.30 | moose | I just have a 5500 |
| 19:52.56 | luke-jr_ | I actually maintain a fork of OZ =p |
| 19:53.05 | luke-jr_ | but it's restricted to GPE and Cxx0 Zs |
| 19:53.11 | moose | so your a developer? |
| 19:53.20 | luke-jr_ | not an OZ devel, no |
| 19:53.31 | luke-jr_ | I use OE, yes |
| 19:53.40 | moose | is the fork on CVS |
| 19:53.42 | luke-jr_ | and I know how to program, tho that's hardly needed to use OE =p |
| 19:53.44 | luke-jr_ | no |
| 19:53.58 | luke-jr_ | Is there even a CVS anywhere? |
| 19:54.01 | CoreDump|home | so much for the GPL then heh |
| 19:54.16 | moose | it all goes out the Windows |
| 19:54.27 | moose | :) |
| 19:54.29 | CoreDump|home | complying w/ it is a PAIN |
| 19:54.46 | moose | not _that_ bad? |
| 19:54.48 | luke-jr_ | CoreDump|home: http://utopios.org/~luke-jr/programs/oz-ljr/gpl/ |
| 19:55.02 | luke-jr_ | CoreDump|home: not really... |
| 19:55.15 | moose | perhaps we should use the bsd licence |
| 19:55.16 | luke-jr_ | CoreDump|home: I just link into my build/tmp dir =p |
| 19:55.29 | luke-jr_ | moose: good luck convincing glibc, etc |
| 19:55.31 | CoreDump|home | luke-jr_: i see :) nice work |
| 19:55.49 | CoreDump|home | I'd have to upload 800MB+ for my fork |
| 19:56.01 | luke-jr_ | ah |
| 19:56.09 | luke-jr_ | it helps to build on the webserver ;) |
| 19:56.18 | CoreDump|home | so I just ship the ROMs with a "written offer" heh |
| 19:56.19 | luke-jr_ | could maybe do a read-only NFS mapping... |
| 19:56.21 | CoreDump|home | indeed |
| 19:56.33 | luke-jr_ | nobody really downloads src from me =p |
| 19:56.37 | CoreDump|home | my uplink is crap |
| 19:56.46 | luke-jr_ | doesn't matter when nobody dls |
| 19:57.00 | luke-jr_ | I like the written offer solution tho |
| 19:57.22 | CoreDump|home | tell that to the OZ team *coch* stable *couch* |
| 19:57.25 | luke-jr_ | just hope nobody requests it all =p |
| 19:57.30 | luke-jr_ | ? |
| 19:57.35 | CoreDump|home | that would suck |
| 19:57.36 | luke-jr_ | OZ doesn't comply, as far as I can tell |
| 19:57.45 | moose | send it to em in hardcopy - they will never ask again |
| 19:57.48 | CoreDump|home | OZ had to pull the stable builds |
| 19:57.53 | luke-jr_ | moose: that's not acceptable |
| 19:58.08 | alan | here comes the vote in france for european constitution in live : |
| 19:58.11 | moose | to the terms of the GPL? |
| 19:58.11 | luke-jr_ | moose: needs to be over the net if binary/request is over the net |
| 19:58.12 | CoreDump|home | actually it is. they can even _demand_ a CD |
| 19:58.21 | luke-jr_ | moose: right |
| 19:58.23 | alan | 1 min more... |
| 19:58.30 | luke-jr_ | CoreDump|home: don't think so... |
| 19:58.40 | luke-jr_ | what if someone exists only on the net? |
| 19:58.50 | luke-jr_ | or lacks a snail mail address? |
| 19:58.57 | CoreDump|home | it's a fact. You have to provide the source even for folks w/ dialup or not net at all |
| 19:59.10 | luke-jr_ | dialup users can stay connected =p |
| 19:59.15 | CoreDump|home | heh |
| 19:59.36 | CoreDump|home | dailup is pay-per-minute mostly in europe |
| 19:59.40 | luke-jr_ | ouch |
| 19:59.40 | moose | yea |
| 19:59.44 | luke-jr_ | well, that's their issue =p |
| 19:59.52 | CoreDump|home | :) |
| 19:59.55 | moose | I just read it and it has to be computer readable |
| 20:00.05 | luke-jr_ | as long as you're willing to send, you've done your part |
| 20:00.18 | alan | ... 55% for the NO in france |
| 20:00.31 | CoreDump|home | heh |
| 20:00.37 | luke-jr_ | moose: even if that wasn't specified, it's not "preferred editing form" if non-digital |
| 20:00.47 | moose | yea |
| 20:00.53 | moose | RS outsmarted us |
| 20:00.56 | CoreDump|home | lol |
| 20:01.24 | CoreDump|home | anyways, lets just hope the FSF doesn't come bitching at us like they did w/ the OZ.org team |
| 20:02.04 | moose | I hope FSF hasn't sunk to the level of messing with tiny little projects |
| 20:02.20 | luke-jr_ | CoreDump|home: even latest OZ doesn't have source... |
| 20:02.22 | moose | they should be happy the software is at least there at all |
| 20:02.27 | CoreDump|home | luke-jr_: oh it has |
| 20:02.34 | luke-jr_ | CoreDump|home: where? |
| 20:02.35 | CoreDump|home | just not on oz.org |
| 20:02.53 | CoreDump|home | sources.treke.net or something like that |
| 20:02.57 | luke-jr_ | There's a package I cannot build with OE |
| 20:02.59 | luke-jr_ | but OZ's works |
| 20:03.04 | luke-jr_ | I forget which one |
| 20:03.36 | CoreDump|home | sf.net would kill us if we'd upload several gigs of sources :) |
| 20:03.37 | luke-jr_ | BTW |
| 20:03.40 | luke-jr_ | I have archives :) |
| 20:03.49 | CoreDump|home | me too |
| 20:04.06 | luke-jr_ | of OZ 3.3.6-pre1, 3.5.1, 'oe-pre', 3.5.2, 3.5.3-pre, and 3.5.3 |
| 20:04.12 | CoreDump|home | a bitbake/OE snapshot used to build the ROM and all sources |
| 20:04.19 | moose | almost wish esr would defend us |
| 20:04.24 | CoreDump|home | heh |
| 20:04.33 | CoreDump|home | i have my own semi-official mirror |
| 20:04.34 | luke-jr_ | err... the 3.3.6-pre1 and 3.5.1 are only cxx0 images actually |
| 20:04.52 | CoreDump|home | http://oz.hentges.net/mirror/ |
| 20:04.53 | luke-jr_ | moose: defend from what? |
| 20:05.03 | moose | overzelous FSF |
| 20:05.15 | luke-jr_ | http://utopios.org/~luke-jr/mirror/openzaurus/ |
| 20:05.18 | luke-jr_ | moose: no such thing |
| 20:05.41 | CoreDump|home | nice! |
| 20:05.58 | luke-jr_ | I should put a notice on that site... |
| 20:06.18 | CoreDump|home | heh |
| 20:06.19 | luke-jr_ | "You are only allowed to download these if you already have the sources..." |
| 20:06.25 | CoreDump|home | lol |
| 20:06.40 | luke-jr_ | that'd be legit, IMO |
| 20:06.54 | CoreDump|home | I've set up a page where people can find out how to get the source |
| 20:06.58 | luke-jr_ | and since HTTP is pulling, they're the ones doing the distribution |
| 20:08.11 | moose | seems as long as you have a readme with link to the sources you would be fine |
| 20:08.19 | CoreDump|home | yep |
| 20:08.37 | moose | I don't really understand the development side of things |
| 20:08.43 | CoreDump|home | I've stuck the Readme and a copy of the GPL into / of the image :) |
| 20:08.49 | moose | just ./configure make make install |
| 20:12.04 | luke-jr_ | moose: there are no sources, that's the problem |
| 20:13.06 | CoreDump|home | yeah, OZ must ship pre-compiled binaries |
| 20:13.43 | CoreDump|home | the sources of a world-build are in the range of 10-15GB |
| 20:15.47 | moose | why? |
| 20:16.14 | moose | not even the linux sources are that big |
| 20:17.38 | CoreDump|home | because we build an entire distribution, from INIT to opie so to speak |
| 20:17.53 | CoreDump|home | just look at how much stuff in the the feeds |
| 20:18.32 | moose | yea but if you order say the slackware disks you get source for every app on it from the kernal to X to the gimp |
| 20:18.44 | moose | and that is only on 2 compressed CDs |
| 20:19.19 | CoreDump|home | 5842 packages and ~500MB , that's the feed |
| 20:21.13 | moose | afk |
| 20:23.02 | moose | back |
| 20:23.26 | moose | I can imagine the troubles of getting that source to someone |
| 20:26.09 | luke-jr_ | um |
| 20:26.16 | luke-jr_ | I only have 1.1 GB of compressed source... |
| 20:27.36 | luke-jr_ | for 2743 ipks |
| 20:28.57 | moose | well at least we _had_ sources |
| 20:29.03 | moose | err have |
| 20:33.01 | luke-jr_ | moose: ? |
| 20:43.29 | alan|sad | ~lart french people for not understanding the meaning of their vote |
| 20:48.13 | moose | eh? |
| 20:48.19 | moose | sorry I was afk |
| 20:58.54 | luke-jr_ | AUDIT: Sun May 29 19:43:15 2005: 27394 X: client 1 rejected from IP 81.173.227.117 |
| 20:58.58 | luke-jr_ | BTW @ whoever |
| 20:59.40 | CoreDump|home | possibly me :) |
| 21:59.06 | AnalogTek | France done, Germany next ;) |
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| 22:34.36 | dhr | I just did an update-modules on my sl6000 running oz3.5.3. Got this message -- is it expected? depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.18-rmk7-pxa3-embedix/linux-wlan-ng/prism2_pci.o |
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| 23:49.48 | df00z | Hey. d oes GPE have an ipkg manager? |
| 23:50.48 | luke-jr_ | I think so, but I just use the commandline |
| 23:51.02 | df00z | hm |
| 23:51.06 | df00z | oh luke, i got orinoco working |
| 23:51.09 | df00z | the OZ builds are just bad |
| 23:51.56 | df00z | Is composite enabled in the GPE build? GPE seems kind of glitchy |