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11:52.14 | alan | hugh ! |
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13:10.14 | lardman | afternoon all |
13:15.10 | Cwiiis | afternoon lardman |
13:17.30 | lardman | hi Cwiiis |
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15:14.04 | baldurk | hmm are there any good ebook readers around for the zaurus? the only one I can find is plucker and it seems pretty bad |
15:14.19 | lardman|busy | opie or gpe? |
15:14.26 | baldurk | gpe |
15:14.53 | lardman|busy | no idea I'm afriad, best ask in #gpe |
15:14.55 | baldurk | ok |
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15:44.42 | alan|away | baldurk: if the format of the file you want to read is plain text, then opie reader is just right. |
15:44.59 | baldurk | that sounds good |
15:45.06 | baldurk | I can always convert it to text there's no images in it |
15:45.11 | alan|away | ^^ |
15:45.18 | baldurk | :) |
15:46.59 | alan|away | my go : since i installed both gpe and opie on my 750, i can't suspend anymore. does anyone have an idea ? |
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15:51.41 | baldurk | hey guys I've had this problem for a while now. Whenever I put my zaurus in the dock, I get "usb 4-2: device not accepting address 6, error -71". Googling doesn't turn up anything useful and the only way around it I've found it to do a full reset |
15:52.25 | alan|home | baldurk: i already had this problem. |
15:52.41 | alan|home | it has been solved with a kernel update. |
15:52.50 | alan|home | don't know where it came from... |
15:53.17 | baldurk | hmm |
15:53.24 | baldurk | that's worth a try, I'm on 2.6.7 I think |
15:53.28 | baldurk | yeh |
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15:53.49 | alan|home | yeah, the mandrake 10.1 default kernel |
15:54.07 | alan|home | baldurk: do you use mandrake ? |
15:54.12 | baldurk | no |
15:54.19 | alan|home | good. |
15:54.25 | baldurk | heh |
15:54.28 | baldurk | I did at one point |
15:54.30 | baldurk | aaages ago |
15:55.00 | alan|home | lattest mdk's official kernel for 10.1 is bugged... |
15:55.12 | alan|home | 10.2 is greatn tho |
15:55.56 | baldurk | I use gentoo now, I have done for a while |
15:56.17 | alan|home | that is a system i'd like to use, if i had time to tweak... |
15:56.27 | meth0s | gentoo rocks |
15:56.35 | alan|home | ^^ |
15:57.38 | baldurk | it does |
15:57.51 | baldurk | portage compared to the last package managers I used was great |
15:57.57 | baldurk | mind you, before gentoo I used linuxfromscratch |
15:58.02 | meth0s | cool |
15:58.09 | alan|home | ^^ wow |
15:58.41 | alan|home | lfs = no more social life to me... |
15:58.54 | meth0s | hah |
15:59.17 | baldurk | it's not that hard actually |
15:59.20 | meth0s | hey ive been noticing that with kopi my alarms are not waking up my z |
15:59.24 | baldurk | the initial set up takes a day or two |
15:59.30 | baldurk | as you keep finding programs you need to install |
15:59.35 | meth0s | only after bring it out of suspend |
15:59.47 | meth0s | baldurk, like the first few times installing gentoo |
15:59.56 | baldurk | yeh exactly |
16:05.02 | alan|home | mmmm... looks like apm has troubles to run with GPE... |
16:06.05 | lardman|busy | baldurk: which machine, which ROM? |
16:06.05 | alan|home | if i reinstall is, overwtriting when needed, i can suspend from OPIE, but only if i'm not logged in in GPE |
16:06.25 | baldurk | lardman|busy: 5500, gpe |
16:06.47 | baldurk | 3.5.3 I think |
16:06.59 | lardman|busy | <PROTECTED> |
16:07.33 | lardman|busy | should sort out usb networking issues (he says :) ) |
16:07.41 | baldurk | I'll try it thanks :) |
16:07.54 | baldurk | I'm still also battling this gpe sdk thing |
16:08.27 | lardman|busy | Though if it's not that you'll have to ask alan about the kernel thing as I can't remember what that was all about |
16:08.38 | baldurk | yup that works :) |
16:08.47 | lardman|busy | what's up with the SDK then? |
16:08.58 | alan|home | lardman|busy: i remember the trick you saied worked for me... |
16:09.22 | baldurk | oh I'm probably doing something wrong. I downloaded gpe-sketchbook and it's not compiling correctly |
16:09.26 | alan|home | baldurk: usbnet won't survive a suspend... |
16:10.20 | lardman|busy | baldurk: what's the error? (use pastebin.ca) |
16:10.49 | baldurk | well it's looking in .. for some files that are in . ie. ../build/Makefile.dpkg_ipkg and .translation |
16:11.42 | lardman|busy | best talk to florian and ask him about it - do note down the steps you took though as I think we should make these SDKs generally available |
16:11.51 | baldurk | ok |
16:13.03 | alan|home | eheh... i've found the problem. I can't suspend my Z as long as i am logged in in gpe... the problem is now that i can't switch back to OPIE when i'm stuck into the GPE login screen, except via ssh... |
16:13.16 | alan|home | ^^' |
16:14.34 | lardman|busy | alan|home: ctrl + alt + backspace a few times & you will drop to the login prompt |
16:17.37 | alan|home | lardman|busy: ctrl is the left japaneese key next to Fn and alt the next one, right ? |
16:18.01 | lardman|busy | yep |
16:18.08 | alan|home | ok |
16:18.10 | alan|home | thanks |
16:18.26 | lardman|busy | np |
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16:18.56 | methos_ | damn modem |
16:19.13 | methos_ | anyone useing kopi? |
16:19.32 | alan|home | lardman|busy: the GPE login manager keeps turning on... |
16:19.53 | lardman|busy | alan|home: but it drops and you can see the login prompt for a little while? |
16:20.03 | methos_ | kopi dosnt seem to be waking up my z for alarms |
16:20.17 | methos_ | once i bring it out of suspend manually it starts ringing |
16:20.20 | alan|home | lardman|busy: very little... yep |
16:20.26 | subdue | lardman|busy: did you evel see hluc's c3000 page? |
16:20.26 | methos_ | that isnt exactly useful though |
16:20.27 | lardman|busy | alan|home: I always start typing, and eventually it stops re-starting the wm |
16:20.38 | lardman|busy | methos_: machine? |
16:20.45 | methos_ | c860 |
16:20.51 | lardman|busy | subdue: no, I don;t think so |
16:21.13 | subdue | lardman|busy: unfortunately he took down most of his page. but his customizations was crazy |
16:21.13 | methos_ | running 3.5.3 |
16:21.20 | lardman|busy | methos_: no idea, I was going to ask if you'd done that 'fix' for the never resuming problem on the 5500, but that's not going to be it |
16:21.30 | methos_ | yeh |
16:21.38 | methos_ | it resumes |
16:21.41 | subdue | all that's left is http://www.users.on.net/~hluc/ |
16:21.51 | subdue | the words are there, but all the pic are not |
16:21.51 | methos_ | just kopi dosnt resume it automattically |
16:22.00 | alan|home | lardman|busy: ^^' your solution works, but that is not handy at all... |
16:23.14 | lardman|busy | alan|home: I didn't say it would be ;) You'll probably have to look at the init scripts or the source for gpe-login and come up with a cleaner method |
16:23.26 | alan|home | ok. |
16:23.59 | lardman|busy | methos_: that fix for the 5500 also has a knock-on effect of stopping alarms from working |
16:24.39 | subdue | lardman|busy: his customizations on the 3000 were really nice. it's too bad it's all gone now |
16:24.55 | alan|home | lardman|busy: do you know if there is a command to terminate GPE like there is a command to terminate OPIE ? |
16:25.10 | lardman|busy | subdue: Yes - looks like stuff I've seen on oesf, just all collated (which is useful) |
16:25.27 | lardman|busy | alan|home: no idea, ask in #gpe |
16:25.34 | alan|home | ok. Thanks |
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16:26.08 | slpyhd | hey folks |
16:26.26 | slpyhd | what mediaplayer works on latest stable? |
16:26.38 | slpyhd | I keep getting a dependency problem |
16:26.47 | slpyhd | tslib-conf |
16:26.52 | slpyhd | for 3 mediaplayers |
16:27.00 | slpyhd | opiemediaplayer |
16:27.03 | slpyhd | 1 and 2 |
16:27.06 | slpyhd | and xmms |
16:27.37 | lardman|busy | I think tslib is in the machine feed |
16:27.44 | lardman|busy | have you added this? |
16:27.55 | slpyhd | no, where can I find details? |
16:28.11 | slpyhd | and why isnt it enabled by default |
16:28.24 | lardman|busy | omission |
16:28.28 | lardman|busy | unstable, etc. |
16:28.35 | lardman|busy | which machine? |
16:28.39 | slpyhd | 5500 |
16:28.54 | lardman|busy | add a new file to /etc/ipkg/ |
16:29.05 | lardman|busy | copy one of the existing .conf files, rename to machine |
16:29.12 | lardman|busy | s/machine/machine.conf |
16:29.51 | slpyhd | ok |
16:30.02 | lardman|busy | then open it and alter the contents: firstly change the name (near the beginning of the line) to machine, and alter the url to: http://www.openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.3/feed/machine/collie/ |
16:30.20 | lardman|busy | then ipkg update, ipkg install <whatever> |
16:31.33 | lardman|busy | that make sense? |
16:31.52 | slpyhd | yeah, but I'm unsure obaout the location |
16:32.03 | slpyhd | shouldnt I edit /etc/ipkg.conf? |
16:32.10 | slpyhd | that has the other feeds |
16:32.27 | lardman|busy | oh, yes you can do that if you like |
16:32.43 | lardman|busy | I never use the package manager (GUI) app which adds the dests there |
16:32.54 | lardman|busy | All of mine are under /etc/ipkg/*.conf |
16:33.13 | slpyhd | ok thanks |
16:33.19 | lardman|busy | np |
16:33.25 | lardman|busy | let me know that it works :) |
16:39.28 | slpyhd | opie-mediaplayer2 has a broken dep too |
16:39.39 | lardman|busy | what's that? |
16:39.43 | slpyhd | to nonexisting package opie-mediaplayer-skin |
16:39.53 | slpyhd | to nonexisting package opie-mediaplayer2-skin |
16:40.12 | slpyhd | 1 just installed |
16:40.15 | lardman|busy | hmm, install one of the skins, I think they provide the required dep |
16:41.57 | slpyhd | hmm indeed mediaplayer1 had opie-mediaplayer2-skin-default in it's deps |
16:42.15 | slpyhd | after installing 1 2 can be installed |
16:43.14 | lardman|busy | I'd just install opie-mediaplayer2-skin-default and then install opie-mediaplayer2 |
16:43.48 | lardman|busy | Personally I prefer xmms to omp2 |
16:44.51 | slpyhd | are there battery mods for 5500? |
16:46.42 | slpyhd | hmm stuff wasnt added to the menu's |
16:46.48 | slpyhd | installed to ram |
16:49.46 | lardman|busy | needs to be ipkg-link'd then opie needs to be restarted to update the desktop/menus |
16:49.59 | lardman|busy | battery mods? |
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16:55.33 | yipstar | hello openzaurus users |
16:56.15 | yipstar | I'd love to figure out how to get my C-860 running OZ 3.5.3 Opie to use a bluetooth card to get internet access from my cell phone |
16:56.18 | yipstar | any pointers? |
16:56.30 | lardman|busy | does the bt card work? |
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16:56.40 | yipstar | well I haven't installed it yet |
16:56.45 | yipstar | but I'm hoping it will |
16:56.51 | lardman|busy | what type is it? |
16:57.34 | yipstar | ambicom BT2000D-CG |
16:57.38 | yipstar | CF that is |
16:59.22 | yipstar | also I'm about to follow the instructions to move the Root install to my SD card |
16:59.29 | yipstar | that's generally a good idea right? |
16:59.47 | lardman|busy | um, each to his own, but I wouldn't do that personally |
16:59.56 | yipstar | no |
16:59.58 | yipstar | ? |
16:59.59 | lardman|busy | esp not with a c860 |
17:00.09 | yipstar | could you elaborate? |
17:00.25 | lardman|busy | you have lots of flash space, no need to create instability by moving stuff to SD |
17:00.39 | yipstar | will I have enough for lots of apps? |
17:00.51 | lardman|busy | If you start running low space-wise, just start installing stuff to SD (ipkg install -d sd ...) |
17:01.10 | lardman|busy | and also to your /home partition (need a dest entry for it in /etc/ipkg.conf) |
17:01.30 | yipstar | okay cool, I thought that was it was necessary, but I guess its not. |
17:01.34 | lardman|busy | I think that's perferable to moving the base system to SD |
17:01.57 | yipstar | where can I read up on how to use the ipkg system? |
17:02.10 | lardman|busy | ipkg --help |
17:02.15 | yipstar | great |
17:02.46 | yipstar | the other reason I wanted to move root to SD was the idea of being able to boot multiple os types, like opie or gpe |
17:02.56 | yipstar | is that not all its cracked up to be? |
17:03.07 | lardman|busy | I don't know, I've never tried |
17:03.14 | yipstar | k |
17:03.19 | yipstar | well I'm down to ditch that for now |
17:03.21 | lardman|busy | But assuming you have the space, it should be possible to install it all to root |
17:03.29 | yipstar | I'm more interested in the internet connection from my phone |
17:03.45 | lardman|busy | I've no idea about that card |
17:03.56 | yipstar | you mean whether it works? |
17:04.11 | lardman|busy | yep |
17:04.27 | yipstar | so my first task is getting the card to work for sure. let's say it works |
17:04.33 | yipstar | what would my next task be? |
17:04.34 | lardman|busy | http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=9785&hl=bt2000d |
17:05.02 | lardman|busy | I'd search oesf - I've not tried to get a bt connection working |
17:05.20 | lardman|busy | or rather a dial-up over BT connection |
17:05.41 | yipstar | ok will do, thanks for the tips though lardman|busy |
17:05.52 | yipstar | what's oesf.org? |
17:06.04 | yipstar | open embedded forums or somthing? |
17:06.23 | hrw | ~oesf |
17:06.23 | lardman|busy | yes, the name's a bit confusing, it's the Zaurus forums |
17:06.29 | hrw | ~zug |
17:06.29 | ibot | zug is probably Zaurus User Group - probably the largest source of Zaurus (and other LinuxPDA) informations. Since 2005 it is called OESF. URL: http://www.oesf.org/ |
17:06.44 | hrw | ibot: oesf is zug |
17:06.45 | ibot | okay, hrw |
17:06.47 | hrw | ~oesf |
17:06.47 | ibot | methinks oesf is zug |
17:07.13 | lardman|busy | :D |
17:07.25 | hrw | have to look does it has aliases |
17:07.43 | hrw | ibot: forget oesf |
17:07.43 | ibot | i forgot oesf, hrw |
17:07.49 | yipstar | well it recognized the bluetooth card |
17:07.55 | lardman|busy | that's good |
17:08.28 | yipstar | so no known how to on using a bluetooth card to get dial up from my cell phone eh? |
17:08.51 | lardman|busy | Try a search of oesf |
17:08.57 | yipstar | k |
17:09.02 | lardman|busy | bluetooth AND phone, etc. |
17:09.05 | lardman|busy | http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=13286&hl= for example |
17:09.17 | hrw | ibot: oesf is newer name of ZUG - it provide forum for Zaurus/Ipaq/Simpad/etc users (see zug). It has nothing common with OpenEmbedded (except first two words) |
17:09.17 | ibot | hrw: okay |
17:09.51 | yipstar | thanks for the head start lardman |
17:10.12 | lardman|busy | yipstar: note that when you open a link from the search page, it may fail with some kind of error on the server. In this case remove the &hl= (highlighting) business from the url |
17:10.18 | lardman|busy | np |
17:10.29 | yipstar | thanks again, duly noted. |
17:20.43 | lardman|busy | I'm off, bye all |
17:20.55 | yipstar | take care lardman |
17:27.35 | subdue | I wonder how close the c3000 is to the sl6000? |
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17:35.38 | hrw | totally different |
17:35.54 | subdue | so ipk's that run on the c3000 can't run on the 6000? |
17:36.16 | hrw | they will |
17:36.37 | hrw | they are different machines but compatible |
17:36.38 | subdue | cool. hluc's page had some unique ipk's like a joystick and mouse ipk |
17:36.53 | hrw | usb ones/ |
17:36.55 | subdue | that would be nice to run things like that |
17:37.08 | subdue | yeah, they were usb ones |
17:37.27 | hrw | OZ does not have them? |
17:37.46 | subdue | dunno. that was the first time I saw someone use a usb mouse and joystick |
17:37.59 | hrw | look into feed then |
17:38.03 | subdue | ok |
17:39.31 | alan|home | oO mouse on the Z... strange idea : the mouse will be bigger than the PDA... |
17:39.46 | subdue | heh |
17:44.41 | subdue | the prices on the c3000 have dropped a lot |
18:13.04 | hrw | someone with opie here? |
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18:32.32 | CoreDump|home | hrw: yep |
18:33.20 | hrw | CoreDump|home: can you install qpf-hunkysans and check does it have rotations? |
18:33.48 | CoreDump|home | sure, is it in the feeds or do i need to package it? |
18:33.56 | hrw | it is in opie |
18:34.07 | hrw | qpf-hunkysans-100 for example |
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18:40.51 | CoreDump|home | hrw: nope, it doesn't ship w/ rotated symbols |
18:41.17 | hrw | can you try 90 or 140? |
18:41.32 | hrw | to get -r3 not -r2 by mistake |
18:42.03 | CoreDump|home | hrw: umm how do I do that :) |
18:42.15 | CoreDump|home | i just rotated my collie using the applet |
18:42.50 | hrw | 90 or 140 fontsize |
18:43.05 | CoreDump|home | oh |
18:43.09 | CoreDump|home | was using 10 IIRC |
18:43.31 | CoreDump|home | it only ships w/ size 10 |
18:43.41 | hrw | ok |
18:46.03 | hrw | CoreDump|home: now I see.. |
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21:09.02 | alan|home | good night gentlemen |
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