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11:52.14alanhugh !
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13:10.14lardmanafternoon all
13:15.10Cwiiisafternoon lardman
13:17.30lardmanhi Cwiiis
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15:14.04baldurkhmm are there any good ebook readers around for the zaurus? the only one I can find is plucker and it seems pretty bad
15:14.19lardman|busyopie or gpe?
15:14.26baldurkgpe
15:14.53lardman|busyno idea I'm afriad, best ask in #gpe
15:14.55baldurkok
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15:44.42alan|awaybaldurk: if the format of the file you want to read is plain text, then opie reader is just right.
15:44.59baldurkthat sounds good
15:45.06baldurkI can always convert it to text there's no images in it
15:45.11alan|away^^
15:45.18baldurk:)
15:46.59alan|awaymy go : since i installed both gpe and opie on my 750, i can't suspend anymore. does anyone have an idea ?
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15:51.41baldurkhey guys I've had this problem for a while now. Whenever I put my zaurus in the dock, I get "usb 4-2: device not accepting address 6, error -71". Googling doesn't turn up anything useful and the only way around it I've found it to do a full reset
15:52.25alan|homebaldurk: i already had this problem.
15:52.41alan|homeit has been solved with a kernel update.
15:52.50alan|homedon't know where it came from...
15:53.17baldurkhmm
15:53.24baldurkthat's worth a try, I'm on 2.6.7 I think
15:53.28baldurkyeh
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15:53.49alan|homeyeah, the mandrake 10.1 default  kernel
15:54.07alan|homebaldurk: do you use mandrake ?
15:54.12baldurkno
15:54.19alan|homegood.
15:54.25baldurkheh
15:54.28baldurkI did at one point
15:54.30baldurkaaages ago
15:55.00alan|homelattest mdk's official kernel for 10.1 is bugged...
15:55.12alan|home10.2 is greatn tho
15:55.56baldurkI use gentoo now, I have done for a while
15:56.17alan|homethat is a system i'd like to use, if i had time to tweak...
15:56.27meth0sgentoo rocks
15:56.35alan|home^^
15:57.38baldurkit does
15:57.51baldurkportage compared to the last package managers I used was great
15:57.57baldurkmind you, before gentoo I used linuxfromscratch
15:58.02meth0scool
15:58.09alan|home^^ wow
15:58.41alan|homelfs = no more social life to me...
15:58.54meth0shah
15:59.17baldurkit's not that hard actually
15:59.20meth0shey ive been noticing that with kopi my alarms are not waking up my z
15:59.24baldurkthe initial set up takes a day or two
15:59.30baldurkas you keep finding programs you need to install
15:59.35meth0sonly after bring it out of suspend
15:59.47meth0sbaldurk, like the first few times installing gentoo
15:59.56baldurkyeh exactly
16:05.02alan|homemmmm... looks like apm has troubles to run with GPE...
16:06.05lardman|busybaldurk: which machine, which ROM?
16:06.05alan|homeif i reinstall is, overwtriting when needed, i can suspend from OPIE, but only if i'm not logged in in GPE
16:06.25baldurklardman|busy: 5500, gpe
16:06.47baldurk3.5.3 I think
16:06.59lardman|busy<PROTECTED>
16:07.33lardman|busyshould sort out usb networking issues (he says :) )
16:07.41baldurkI'll try it thanks :)
16:07.54baldurkI'm still also battling this gpe sdk thing
16:08.27lardman|busyThough if it's not that you'll have to ask alan about the kernel thing as I can't remember what that was all about
16:08.38baldurkyup that works :)
16:08.47lardman|busywhat's up with the SDK then?
16:08.58alan|homelardman|busy: i remember the trick you saied worked for me...
16:09.22baldurkoh I'm probably doing something wrong. I downloaded gpe-sketchbook and it's not compiling correctly
16:09.26alan|homebaldurk: usbnet won't survive a suspend...
16:10.20lardman|busybaldurk: what's the error? (use pastebin.ca)
16:10.49baldurkwell it's looking in .. for some files that are in . ie. ../build/Makefile.dpkg_ipkg and .translation
16:11.42lardman|busybest talk to florian and ask him about it - do note down the steps you took though as I think we should make these SDKs generally available
16:11.51baldurkok
16:13.03alan|homeeheh... i've found the problem. I can't suspend my Z as long as i am logged in in gpe... the problem is now that i can't switch back to OPIE when i'm stuck into the GPE login screen, except via ssh...
16:13.16alan|home^^'
16:14.34lardman|busyalan|home: ctrl + alt + backspace a few times & you will drop to the login prompt
16:17.37alan|homelardman|busy: ctrl is the left japaneese key next to Fn and alt the next one, right ?
16:18.01lardman|busyyep
16:18.08alan|homeok
16:18.10alan|homethanks
16:18.26lardman|busynp
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16:18.56methos_damn modem
16:19.13methos_anyone useing kopi?
16:19.32alan|homelardman|busy: the GPE login manager keeps turning on...
16:19.53lardman|busyalan|home: but it drops and you can see the login prompt for a little while?
16:20.03methos_kopi dosnt seem to be waking up my z for alarms
16:20.17methos_once i bring it out of suspend manually it starts ringing
16:20.20alan|homelardman|busy: very little... yep
16:20.26subduelardman|busy: did you evel see hluc's c3000 page?
16:20.26methos_that isnt exactly useful though
16:20.27lardman|busyalan|home: I always start typing, and eventually it stops re-starting the wm
16:20.38lardman|busymethos_: machine?
16:20.45methos_c860
16:20.51lardman|busysubdue: no, I don;t think so
16:21.13subduelardman|busy: unfortunately he took down most of his page. but his customizations was crazy
16:21.13methos_running 3.5.3
16:21.20lardman|busymethos_: no idea, I was going to ask if you'd done that 'fix' for the never resuming problem on the 5500, but that's not going to be it
16:21.30methos_yeh
16:21.38methos_it resumes
16:21.41subdueall that's left is http://www.users.on.net/~hluc/
16:21.51subduethe words are there, but all the pic are not
16:21.51methos_just kopi dosnt resume it automattically
16:22.00alan|homelardman|busy: ^^' your solution works, but that is not handy at all...
16:23.14lardman|busyalan|home: I didn't say it would be ;) You'll probably have to look at the init scripts or the source for gpe-login and come up with a cleaner method
16:23.26alan|homeok.
16:23.59lardman|busymethos_: that fix for the 5500 also has a knock-on effect of stopping alarms from working
16:24.39subduelardman|busy: his customizations on the 3000 were really nice. it's too bad it's all gone now
16:24.55alan|homelardman|busy: do you know if there is a command to terminate GPE like there is a command to terminate OPIE ?
16:25.10lardman|busysubdue: Yes - looks like stuff I've seen on oesf, just all collated (which is useful)
16:25.27lardman|busyalan|home: no idea, ask in #gpe
16:25.34alan|homeok. Thanks
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16:26.08slpyhdhey folks
16:26.26slpyhdwhat mediaplayer works on latest stable?
16:26.38slpyhdI keep getting a dependency problem
16:26.47slpyhdtslib-conf
16:26.52slpyhdfor 3 mediaplayers
16:27.00slpyhdopiemediaplayer
16:27.03slpyhd1 and 2
16:27.06slpyhdand xmms
16:27.37lardman|busyI think tslib is in the machine feed
16:27.44lardman|busyhave you added this?
16:27.55slpyhdno, where can I find details?
16:28.11slpyhdand why isnt it enabled by default
16:28.24lardman|busyomission
16:28.28lardman|busyunstable, etc.
16:28.35lardman|busywhich machine?
16:28.39slpyhd5500
16:28.54lardman|busyadd a new file to /etc/ipkg/
16:29.05lardman|busycopy one of the existing .conf files, rename to machine
16:29.12lardman|busys/machine/machine.conf
16:29.51slpyhdok
16:30.02lardman|busythen open it and alter the contents: firstly change the name (near the beginning of the line) to machine, and alter the url to: http://www.openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.3/feed/machine/collie/
16:30.20lardman|busythen ipkg update, ipkg install <whatever>
16:31.33lardman|busythat make sense?
16:31.52slpyhdyeah, but I'm unsure obaout the location
16:32.03slpyhdshouldnt I edit /etc/ipkg.conf?
16:32.10slpyhdthat has the other feeds
16:32.27lardman|busyoh, yes you can do that if you like
16:32.43lardman|busyI never use the package manager (GUI) app which adds the dests there
16:32.54lardman|busyAll of mine are under /etc/ipkg/*.conf
16:33.13slpyhdok thanks
16:33.19lardman|busynp
16:33.25lardman|busylet me know that it works :)
16:39.28slpyhdopie-mediaplayer2 has a broken dep too
16:39.39lardman|busywhat's that?
16:39.43slpyhdto nonexisting package opie-mediaplayer-skin
16:39.53slpyhdto nonexisting package opie-mediaplayer2-skin
16:40.12slpyhd1 just installed
16:40.15lardman|busyhmm, install one of the skins, I think they provide the required dep
16:41.57slpyhdhmm indeed mediaplayer1 had opie-mediaplayer2-skin-default in it's deps
16:42.15slpyhdafter installing 1 2 can be installed
16:43.14lardman|busyI'd just install opie-mediaplayer2-skin-default and then install opie-mediaplayer2
16:43.48lardman|busyPersonally I prefer xmms to omp2
16:44.51slpyhdare there battery mods for 5500?
16:46.42slpyhdhmm stuff wasnt added to the menu's
16:46.48slpyhdinstalled to ram
16:49.46lardman|busyneeds to be ipkg-link'd then opie needs to be restarted to update the desktop/menus
16:49.59lardman|busybattery mods?
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16:55.33yipstarhello openzaurus users
16:56.15yipstarI'd love to figure out how to get my C-860 running OZ 3.5.3 Opie to use a bluetooth card to get internet access from my cell phone
16:56.18yipstarany pointers?
16:56.30lardman|busydoes the bt card work?
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16:56.40yipstarwell I haven't installed it yet
16:56.45yipstarbut I'm hoping it will
16:56.51lardman|busywhat type is it?
16:57.34yipstarambicom BT2000D-CG
16:57.38yipstarCF that is
16:59.22yipstaralso I'm about to follow the instructions to move the Root install to my SD card
16:59.29yipstarthat's generally a good idea right?
16:59.47lardman|busyum, each to his own, but I wouldn't do that personally
16:59.56yipstarno
16:59.58yipstar?
16:59.59lardman|busyesp not with a c860
17:00.09yipstarcould you elaborate?
17:00.25lardman|busyyou have lots of flash space, no need to create instability by moving stuff to SD
17:00.39yipstarwill I have enough for lots of apps?
17:00.51lardman|busyIf you start running low space-wise, just start installing stuff to SD (ipkg install -d sd ...)
17:01.10lardman|busyand also to your /home partition (need a dest entry for it in /etc/ipkg.conf)
17:01.30yipstarokay cool, I thought that was it was necessary, but I guess its not.
17:01.34lardman|busyI think that's perferable to moving the base system to SD
17:01.57yipstarwhere can I read up on how to use the ipkg system?
17:02.10lardman|busyipkg --help
17:02.15yipstargreat
17:02.46yipstarthe other reason I wanted to move root to SD was the idea of being able to boot multiple os types, like opie or gpe
17:02.56yipstaris that not all its cracked up to be?
17:03.07lardman|busyI don't know, I've never tried
17:03.14yipstark
17:03.19yipstarwell I'm down to ditch that for now
17:03.21lardman|busyBut assuming you have the space, it should be possible to install it all to root
17:03.29yipstarI'm more interested in the internet connection from my phone
17:03.45lardman|busyI've no idea about that card
17:03.56yipstaryou mean whether it works?
17:04.11lardman|busyyep
17:04.27yipstarso my first task is getting the card to work for sure. let's say it works
17:04.33yipstarwhat would my next task be?
17:04.34lardman|busyhttp://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=9785&hl=bt2000d
17:05.02lardman|busyI'd search oesf - I've not tried to get a bt connection working
17:05.20lardman|busyor rather a dial-up over BT connection
17:05.41yipstarok will do, thanks for the tips though lardman|busy
17:05.52yipstarwhat's oesf.org?
17:06.04yipstaropen embedded forums or somthing?
17:06.23hrw~oesf
17:06.23lardman|busyyes, the name's a bit confusing, it's the Zaurus forums
17:06.29hrw~zug
17:06.29ibotzug is probably Zaurus User Group - probably the largest source of Zaurus (and other LinuxPDA) informations. Since 2005 it is called OESF. URL: http://www.oesf.org/
17:06.44hrwibot: oesf is zug
17:06.45ibotokay, hrw
17:06.47hrw~oesf
17:06.47ibotmethinks oesf is zug
17:07.13lardman|busy:D
17:07.25hrwhave to look does it has aliases
17:07.43hrwibot: forget oesf
17:07.43iboti forgot oesf, hrw
17:07.49yipstarwell it recognized the bluetooth card
17:07.55lardman|busythat's good
17:08.28yipstarso no known how to on using a bluetooth card to get dial up from my cell phone eh?
17:08.51lardman|busyTry a search of oesf
17:08.57yipstark
17:09.02lardman|busybluetooth AND phone, etc.
17:09.05lardman|busyhttp://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=13286&hl= for example
17:09.17hrwibot: oesf is newer name of ZUG - it provide forum for Zaurus/Ipaq/Simpad/etc users (see zug). It has nothing common with OpenEmbedded (except first two words)
17:09.17ibothrw: okay
17:09.51yipstarthanks for the head start lardman
17:10.12lardman|busyyipstar: note that when you open a link from the search page, it may fail with some kind of error on the server. In this case remove the &hl= (highlighting) business from the url
17:10.18lardman|busynp
17:10.29yipstarthanks again, duly noted.
17:20.43lardman|busyI'm off, bye all
17:20.55yipstartake care lardman
17:27.35subdueI wonder how close the c3000 is to the sl6000?
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17:35.38hrwtotally different
17:35.54subdueso ipk's that run on the c3000 can't run on the 6000?
17:36.16hrwthey will
17:36.37hrwthey are different machines but compatible
17:36.38subduecool. hluc's page had some unique ipk's like a joystick and mouse ipk
17:36.53hrwusb ones/
17:36.55subduethat would be nice to run things like that
17:37.08subdueyeah, they were usb ones
17:37.27hrwOZ does not have them?
17:37.46subduedunno. that was the first time I saw someone use a usb mouse and joystick
17:37.59hrwlook into feed then
17:38.03subdueok
17:39.31alan|homeoO mouse on the Z... strange idea : the mouse will be bigger than the PDA...
17:39.46subdueheh
17:44.41subduethe prices on the c3000 have dropped a lot
18:13.04hrwsomeone with opie here?
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18:32.32CoreDump|homehrw: yep
18:33.20hrwCoreDump|home: can you install qpf-hunkysans and check does it have rotations?
18:33.48CoreDump|homesure, is it in the feeds or do i need to package it?
18:33.56hrwit is in opie
18:34.07hrwqpf-hunkysans-100 for example
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18:40.51CoreDump|homehrw: nope, it doesn't ship w/ rotated symbols
18:41.17hrwcan you try 90 or 140?
18:41.32hrwto get -r3 not -r2 by mistake
18:42.03CoreDump|homehrw: umm how do I do that :)
18:42.15CoreDump|homei just rotated my collie using the applet
18:42.50hrw90 or 140 fontsize
18:43.05CoreDump|homeoh
18:43.09CoreDump|homewas using 10 IIRC
18:43.31CoreDump|homeit only ships w/ size 10
18:43.41hrwok
18:46.03hrwCoreDump|home: now I see..
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21:09.02alan|homegood night gentlemen
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