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07:26.33alan|workhi !
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07:48.08alan|boringworkMMMmmmm.... i love when my stupid work pc crashes when i reach the end of the document i have to type...
07:48.16alan|boringworkback to the beginning...
07:52.38hrw|workmorning
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07:55.12alan|boringworklo hrw|work
07:56.32hrw|worklo alan
07:57.06benplautstill nighttime here...
07:58.01hrw|work~ugt
07:58.01ibotwell, ugt is Universial Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant.
08:02.10alan|boringwork~gut
08:03.13alan|boringworkibot : don't you know the Great Unified Theory ? how disapointing... You should read S. Hawking instead of S. King...
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08:06.41alan|boringworkladyyys and gentlemennn, here comezzzz Misterrrrrrr "magiiiic" XorAAAAAAAAAAAA !!
08:07.15XorAlo alan|boringwork
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08:26.53alan|boringworkhave you ever seen those videos with a guy striking out his work pc with a keyboard ? i feel like i'm becoming like this guy...
08:27.24alan|boringworkmirc + msn + msword = this fusdcking pc crashes...
08:28.57XorAand a workmate of mine punched a QA guy for being annoying
08:32.11alan|boringworkXorA : i should punch the headmistress (?? is that an english word ??) for being stupid...
08:32.44alan|boringwork~lart alan's boss for taking bad decisions, really bad decisions
08:33.02alan|boringworkthanks ibot
08:33.11alan|boringworki almost feel better
08:33.24XorAalan|boringwork: thats the correct word
08:33.42alan|boringworkthanks XorA
08:36.44alan|boringworkpfff... even the intranet is getting mad : i can't see anyone on the network... again this fscking switch
08:37.53alan|boringworkXorA : ho yeah...
08:38.31XorAdo you smelllllllll what the XorA is cookin!
08:38.48alan|boringwork\o/
08:39.05XorAsorry, Im a WWE freak :-)
08:40.05hrw|workI found t610 without BT auth ;)
08:40.27XorAsony ericson?
08:40.51hrw|workyes
08:40.59XorAhrw|work: bluejack it :-)
08:41.00alan|boringworkhrw|work : that is the phone i have.
08:41.06hrw|workbut removed blues-utils from husky ;(
08:41.41XorAwas trying to get irda working on desktop last night with little success :-(
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08:44.43alan|boringworkpfffff...
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08:46.32alan|boringworkwhat did i miss ?
08:47.41XorAalan|boringwork: nothing of interest, just me failing to get irda on desktop working
08:48.03alan|boringworkho...
08:48.05alan|boringworkok
08:48.37alan|boringworkyou want an irda network ?
08:48.53XorAalan|boringwork: I want my phone to sync
08:48.57XorAI dont have BT
08:49.21hrw|workI dont have working BT now
08:49.37alan|boringworkmmm... with an irda reciever on a pc ?
08:49.40XorAhrw|work: what happened
08:49.57XorAalan|boringwork: yes, I bought one for *doze, that happens to be recognised by linux
08:50.08hrw|workXorA: dont know
08:50.37alan|boringworkXorA : what phnoe model ?
08:50.43alan|boringworkphone*
08:50.52XorAalan|boringwork: nokia 6822
08:51.02alan|boringworkwait a minute...
08:51.03XorAhrw|work: did it break with 2.6.12-mm1?
08:51.51hrw|workXorA: testing now
08:53.02XorAhrw|work: my irda seems to have broken with that kernel on Z
08:54.22XorAhrw|work: me 1.7G P4 in work is flatlined with monotone
08:56.05alan|boringworkXorA : your phone is untested here http://tuxmobil.org/ir_misc.html#phone
08:56.13alan|boringworki think you know this...
08:56.35XorAalan|boringwork: it will obex with Z
08:57.26alan|boringworkobex ?
08:59.20alan|boringworkXorA : this page _might_ be usefull : http://tuxmobil.org/howto_linux_laptop.html
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09:09.21XorAalan|boringwork: OBhject EXchange, protocol used to "ftp" on Irda and BT
09:09.34alan|boringworkho...
09:11.16alan|boringwork(^^) mmm... i just chose "send file"... am i still a win user ???? @_@ ?
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09:13.58alan|boringworki'll be bac
09:14.02alan|boringworkk
09:14.05alan|boringwork^^
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11:14.07alanre
11:14.54XorAreyo
11:15.38alani'm back home... now all i'm waiting for is my new job appointment, on thursday...
11:18.00XorAalan: good luck
11:21.01alanXorA: thanks.
11:23.02alancool ! OZljr new version is ready !
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13:22.35lardmanafternoon all
13:22.44XorAyo lardman
13:22.49lardmanHey XorA
13:22.54lardmanhow goes it?
13:22.58XorAnot bad, you?
13:23.10lardmannot too bad, been busy lately though so no IRC, etc.
13:23.24XorA:-D
13:23.27XorAIm at work
13:23.34XorAand work suxx
13:23.41lardmanI was just popping online to mention that my Z ran flat, possibly because I left the headphones plugged in - has anyone seen this
13:23.57lardmanand yeah, work is a pita
13:24.09XorAlardman: which kernel?
13:24.26lardmanum, not the .12 release, but the pre-release before that
13:24.30lardmanif that makes sense
13:24.46XorA2.6.12-rcX-mmY?
13:25.04lardmanhang on, let me take a look though OE
13:26.15lardmanhmm, can't see it, but I think it was 2.6.12-rc5-mm1
13:26.25lardmanI don't have my Z with me atm so I can't look on it
13:26.39XorAlardman: ok, I was beginning to suspect it wasn sleeping proerly myself
13:26.55lardmanwhich version are you running atm?
13:27.02XorAlardman: I seen myself losing battery too fast since I switched to 2.6.12-mm1
13:27.13lardmanoh right
13:27.28XorAlardman: I didnt do the intermediate versions between 2.6.11 and current as I was on holiday
13:27.41lardmanThis was strange - I had been listening to mp3s and the battery went from 95-80%, then I suspended & came back 2 days later & it's dead
13:28.18XorAlardman: must be something not going to sleep properly again
13:28.33lardmanI switched to Opie recently (as I don't have time atm to hack & needed a usable mp3 player with good bl control), and the 2.6.12-mm1 image I built wouldn't start opie
13:29.03lardmanXorA: yes, I'll have to bake an up-to-date kernel and do some testing
13:30.04XorAlardman: well that would be great, I dont have time, but I have been suspecting my battery was going flat during suspend for a couple of days
13:30.35lardmanXorA: I must admit I'd not seen any issues since the CF thing was sorted out, but perhaps they've come back
13:32.21lardmannow I have to search for an ethernet socket to plug my build box back in
13:33.14alanhello lardman !
13:33.32lardmanhey alan
13:34.02lardmanbbiab
13:37.29alanXorA: on c7x0 models, can we install docs on /ram ?
13:37.38alanprogs, no docs....
13:38.44XorAalan: /mnt/ram on c7x0 is same as /
13:39.09XorAalan: there is no mtdram file system on these devices
13:39.40alanXorA: oki... that is what i thought...
13:43.37alanglrp... latest OZljr is the same as the prvious one, but with corrected wifi modules... but i don't have any wifi...
13:43.54alangrrr... i flashed for nothing...
13:45.23hrw|workXorA: connect+?
13:45.49hrw|workXorA: on c7x0 /media/ram is tmpfs
13:49.23Luke-Jrhrw|work: not on OZ 3.5.3, IIRC
13:50.44Luke-Jralan: actually, by "wifi modules" I usually mean "external modules"
13:50.57Luke-Jrnot sure why latest didn't upgrade them properly :|
13:51.10hrw|workLuke-Jr: but in 3.5.3+
13:52.06lardman|workLuke-Jr: Is yours a c7x0 image?
13:53.26Luke-Jrlardman|work: yes
13:53.42lardman|workLuke-Jr: How big is the initrd.bin?
13:53.58Luke-Jrlardman|work: 35 or 21 MB
13:54.02Luke-Jrnormal/minimal
13:54.16lardman|workLuke-Jr: Ah, you have one which would fit my C750 then
13:54.29lardman|workLuke-Jr: Is it using the latest kernel version from OE?
13:54.35Luke-Jryep
13:54.46Luke-Jrthe minimal is made specifically to fit 750 :)
13:55.17lardman|workCool - I have yet to find an ethernet socket to put my build machine back on the net but want to test the latest kernel, sounds ideal
13:55.41Luke-Jrhttp://utopios.org/~luke-jr/programs/oz-ljr/
13:55.45lardman|workthanks
13:55.48Luke-Jrnote the latest images have incorrect modules
13:55.52Luke-Jrworking on that now
13:58.32hrw|workLuke-Jr: rm tmp/deploy/ipk/kernel*;rebuild kernel
13:59.13Luke-Jrhrw|work: I was using *module*
13:59.32hrw|workLuke-Jr: rm also kernel*
14:00.03hrw|workkernel-module-* depend on kernel-image or kernel
14:00.09lardman|workyeah, I had that problem recently - BB doesn't recognise the weird kernel versioning scheme
14:00.20hrw|workand 2.6.12-rc6-mm1 has higher PV then 2.6.12-mm1
14:00.28Luke-Jrah
14:01.18lardman|workLuke-Jr: Have you looked at the backlight, and more specifically handling it better?
14:01.44Luke-Jrlardman|work: eh... I kinda gave up on using the backlight a few OZ releases ago =p
14:02.32lardman|workLuke-Jr: I've got a shell script which means that it works, but it needs more granularity & needs to be re-written in C to be acceptable to everyone but the 2.6.x crowd
14:02.42Luke-Jro
14:02.51Luke-JrI actually am stuck on 2.4 still
14:02.55lardman|workipaq-sleep also needs some more granularity
14:03.02Luke-Jractually use that mic =p
14:03.12lardman|workLuke-Jr: You don't have a c7x0 machine?
14:03.16Luke-JrI do
14:03.27Luke-JrBut it's a C760
14:03.40lardman|workwhy don't you use 2.6.x?
14:03.47Luke-Jrfor some reason or another, the 2.6 audio driver doesn't support the mic on Cx60
14:03.57lardman|workah, I see
14:04.12lardman|workthere's a mic is there - news to me (750)
14:04.20Luke-JrLOL
14:04.21hrw|workLuke-Jr: easy reason - RP does not have mic so does not support it
14:04.25alanhello Luke-Jr
14:04.25Luke-Jrit's a headset port
14:04.33Luke-Jrhrw|work: mics are cheap =p
14:04.49Luke-Jrhrw|work: reason is more likely due to audio driver just being a sharp-port
14:05.39Luke-JrHe hasn't had time to rewrite audio yet
14:05.42hrw|workthat too
14:06.33alanlardman|work: backlight kind of works on the 750...
14:06.50alanlardman|work: i mean the backlight setting...
14:08.10XorAsomeone buy RP a mic
14:08.29alan^^
14:08.50lardman|workalan: what do you mean by the setting?
14:09.28alanwell... i can set how light the screen is... was that not what you were talking about ?
14:09.42lardman|workyes
14:09.50lardman|workhttp://students.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/Zaurus/bl/bl.remove-all-off-this-extension.sh copy this file to /usr/bin/bl
14:10.11lardman|work(as in remove all of the extension)
14:10.26lardman|workthen you can run bl 255 for max brightness, bl on, bl off, etc.
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14:13.29alanLuke-Jr: sd-mod and g-ether are not included in latest availiable OZljr, right ?
14:13.53Luke-Jrwhatever is default o.o
14:14.09hrw|workalan: since when sd is in module?
14:14.20hrw|workg_ether should be in image if it is from OE
14:14.27alanhrw|work: i don't know...
14:14.57alansd cards won't mount... i guessed (looks like i was wrong...) it was related to a kernel module...
14:15.29lardman|workalan: try ejecting, then inserting then waiting for a while
14:15.54alanlardman|work: done : won't work...
14:16.07alanhrw|work: it's on OZ ljr...
14:17.02hrw|workalan: ah.. totally unsupported by me then ;)
14:17.46alanhrw|work: yeah, i know... ^^
14:19.07lardman|works/distrib/ROM (where is koen? ;) )
14:19.27alanXorA: please don't !! i can't test them all...
14:19.28Luke-Jrhrw|work: kernel is "from OE" =p
14:19.31XorAXoraus OpenROM!
14:19.44Luke-JrXorA: why not OZ-ljr? =p
14:20.05alanLuke-Jr: \o/
14:20.41lardman|workI don't understand the reason anyway - Luke-Jr: what does your flavour of OZ do differently, other than have a few different packages?
14:21.11hrw|workOpenUmpaUmpa Hrw edition 1.17.3
14:21.11lardman|work(Not having a go, just wondering)
14:21.24Luke-Jrlardman|work: have a few diff pkgs and regular updates
14:21.34XorAhrw|work: sounds like an Oompah Loompah
14:21.40lardman|workLuke-Jr: Regular updates is a good thing
14:22.02lardman|workLuke-Jr: So you could produce a Luke-Jr meta file and add it to OE and then anyone could do the same?
14:22.10Luke-Jryea
14:22.32Luke-Jrwell, not really produce... they exist =p
14:22.39Luke-Jrjust not in OE ATM
14:22.55alanguys : a meta faile is the list of progs you want your image to include ?
14:23.16lardman|workI was wondering whether you'd added in sudo, etc. and produced something which is easier to work with out-of-the-box
14:23.35Luke-Jrsudo's in there, yes =p
14:23.40Luke-Jrneeds configuring tho
14:23.47Luke-Jrbasically just a visudo
14:24.06lardman|workthat would be a useful addition to the GPE images in general IMHO
14:24.17Luke-JrI think it's at bootstrap-level
14:24.24Luke-Jrin my forked pkgs
14:24.53hrw|workLuke-Jr: visudo now use vi - it is fixed
14:25.08Luke-JrFYI, I'm planning to drop maintained the current GPE-meta-fork when I get KDE images =p
14:25.23XorAyuuuuuuurccccchhhhhhhhhhhh
14:25.26alan^^
14:25.29Luke-Jrhrw|work: visudo is needed to set proper perms on the sudoers file-- and add some users =p
14:25.39alanXorA: it did the same to me...
14:25.44Luke-Jro.O
14:27.45aland(^^)b
14:28.49XorAalthough Id sell me sould for an amd64 table size of Z with 24 hours abttery life
14:29.06lardman|workTo sum up my opinion (never having used any of these flavours of image), it's good that people can get an up-to-date build, it's also if usability issues are adressed
14:29.11Luke-JrXorA: not a full-blown KDE =p
14:29.15lardman|workSo good on you
14:29.48Luke-JrXorA: a stripped-down kdebase
14:29.48XorAdont think ive run actual OZ since 3.5.1
14:30.03XorALuke-Jr: I want to see enlightenment on PDA
14:30.15Luke-JrXorA: isn't that already in OE?
14:30.18lardman|works/adressed/addressed - people will think I'm French or something!
14:30.42XorALuke-Jr: it is, but I was kind of hoping for them to actually release, its been 6 years or something
14:30.43alanlardman|work: i'm french...
14:30.51lardman|workalan: I know
14:30.56alanlardman|work: ^^
14:30.57Luke-Jralan: I'm sorry
14:30.58Luke-Jr=p j/k
14:31.31alanLuke-Jr: sometines, so am i...
14:31.55XorAwe keep trying to tempt alan to the right side of the water, he resists so far
14:32.03alanlooooool
14:32.28alanLuke-Jr: what the hell is that ?
14:32.40lardman|worksounds like a good thing
14:32.42Luke-Jralan: "I'm proud to be anti-America" =p
14:32.50aland(^^)b
14:33.34Luke-JrI'm anti-French-govt and such too, note =p
14:33.35XorALuke-Jr: you better not have been wrecking Edin yesterday!
14:33.43Luke-Jranti-most-governments, actually
14:33.54Luke-JrXorA: wife only let me aim up :(
14:34.45Luke-JrXorA: shoot at them w/ roman candles?
14:34.51lardman|workwas that behind the riot police?
14:35.02XorAlardman|work: above them in the office
14:35.17lardman|workah, out of reach - a good thing
14:35.38XorAlardman|work: bunch of pansies anyway, a 5 year old girl would have wiped the floor with them
14:36.03Luke-JrI don't have a 5 yr old girl
14:36.32XorAbut apparently there will be more riots tomorrow
14:37.28Luke-Jrwow... no 5 yr old girls at all there? :|
14:38.08XorAtheyve had practice now
14:38.15XorAand learned their way around edin
14:39.01lardman|worktime to go and do some work, bbl
14:39.34alanLuke-Jr: no kernel-module*.ipk in your feed... are you rebuilding them ?
14:40.07Luke-Jryea
14:40.10alanok.
14:40.26Luke-Jrrebuilding everything kernel-related
14:41.13alanLuke-Jr: ok.
14:41.46alanas long as it can be used with 2.6.12-mm1...
14:46.02alanLuke-Jr: the terminal error is the following : couldn't obtain control of tty.alan@c7x0:/
14:51.52alanwithout talking about the "urxvt : can't get colour '#blabla' continuing without" errors...
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15:52.33alanLuke-Jr: latest build didn't create a /home/root/ file by default...
15:54.45lardman|workhmm, I just realised that bk isn't working anymore, time to look at the mailing list and work out where to go from here
15:55.28alanbk ?
15:56.12lardman|workbitkeeper
15:56.20alanho...
15:57.23XorAlardman|work: monotone
15:57.32XorAlardman|work: its on frontpage of www.openembedded.org
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15:58.08TheMaskedUnitgm all
15:58.16lardman|workXorA: yep - I'm looking now
16:02.21TheMaskedUniti see there's a SD driver update for the sharp rom, can it be used on OZ?
16:05.28subduethere is?
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16:06.13TheMaskedUnitan older one, but yeah, for the sharp sl-5x00 series
16:06.32subdueoh
16:06.45subdueI use sharp rom 3.13 on the 5500
16:07.07subduethen installed thekompany.rom
16:07.10TheMaskedUnitthen you should probly download and isntall the SD update
16:07.25subduewell, haven't had problems, but where is that?
16:07.25XorATheMaskedUnit: when was this SD update released?
16:07.31TheMaskedUnitis the konpany built on sharps rom?
16:07.37subdueyes
16:07.40TheMaskedUnitjan 2004 i think
16:07.48subdueessentially a trim downed sharp rom
16:07.56subduewhere is the update?
16:08.21TheMaskedUnitjust a sec
16:08.26subdueok
16:09.02TheMaskedUnithttp://www.zaurususergroup.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=UpDownload&file=index&req=viewsdownload&sid=52
16:09.12subduety
16:09.13XorAthe SD driver in OZ was the latest version ever + some special hack to make it a bit better
16:09.49subdueI wouldnt trust the date btw
16:10.00TheMaskedUnitthe date?
16:10.08subdue29-Jan-2004
16:10.15subduethat may not accurately reflect how recent it is
16:11.00TheMaskedUnitXorA, are you saying the OZ SD driver is newer and more trustworthy then this one i just posted?
16:11.09XorATheMaskedUnit: 99.9% sure
16:11.51subduethanks for the link
16:12.03TheMaskedUnityep
16:12.50XorAtime for me to go home
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16:15.59alanLuke-Jr: i raided Xora's feed for kernel modules... g_ether works.*
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16:23.57TheMaskedUnithas anyone here experienced problems with San Disk SD cards with the zaurus sl-5x00 models?
16:26.37hrw64M work ok here in collie
16:33.35TheMaskedUnithrw, fat formatted?
16:33.50hrwTheMaskedUnit: ext2 now
16:34.27TheMaskedUnithrw, have you formatted it more then once, maybe back to fat, and did it work? just curious
16:36.12hrwTheMaskedUnit: it was many times formatted iirc - I got it as a gift
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16:38.04TheMaskedUnitim a little paranoid about using my sd cards in the zaurus, ive read some bad reviews
16:39.01hrwhow big it is?
16:39.46TheMaskedUniti have two, 128mb i bought a year ago, and a 1GB i just bought.
16:40.02hrwand got problem with 1G one?
16:40.48TheMaskedUnitno, ive just been using it in the mp3 player so far.
16:41.07hrwno problems when using it in Z?
16:42.18TheMaskedUniti havent tried that yet. :)
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17:22.06lardman|workbye all
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17:45.19TheMaskedUnithas anyone moved root to an sd card here?
17:50.45Luke-Jralan: try new image
17:53.00petyabye all
18:06.07alanLuke-Jr: that will be for tomorrow.
18:06.26ursAnyone solved the problems with the updated collie kernel yet?
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18:33.48hrwurs: what problems? my collie does not notice any
18:34.54hrwI have 3.5.3 + upgrades on it and it work nice
18:36.00ursWith the default initrd, it won't boot
18:36.25ursand if I first install with the old kernel, and then ipkg update, it won't update anything
18:36.27hrwwhen flashed from zero? kernel -r21 and opie-image?
18:36.52urs(yes, i've gut upgrades and machine/collie - feeds in my ipkg.conf)
18:37.19ursYes, with -r21 and default initrd-opie, it hangs when starting init
18:37.26hrwhmm..
18:37.50ursDo I need to update my kernel-modules or anything?
18:38.28hrwbasically all modules should work
18:38.45hrwtoo bad that I dont have time to check it from scratch
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19:41.27alanoff to slep. gn all!e
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20:44.54eimAnyone in here using multisync?
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