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07:26.33 | alan|work | hi ! |
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07:48.08 | alan|boringwork | MMMmmmm.... i love when my stupid work pc crashes when i reach the end of the document i have to type... |
07:48.16 | alan|boringwork | back to the beginning... |
07:52.38 | hrw|work | morning |
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07:55.12 | alan|boringwork | lo hrw|work |
07:56.32 | hrw|work | lo alan |
07:57.06 | benplaut | still nighttime here... |
07:58.01 | hrw|work | ~ugt |
07:58.01 | ibot | well, ugt is Universial Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. |
08:02.10 | alan|boringwork | ~gut |
08:03.13 | alan|boringwork | ibot : don't you know the Great Unified Theory ? how disapointing... You should read S. Hawking instead of S. King... |
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08:06.41 | alan|boringwork | ladyyys and gentlemennn, here comezzzz Misterrrrrrr "magiiiic" XorAAAAAAAAAAAA !! |
08:07.15 | XorA | lo alan|boringwork |
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08:26.53 | alan|boringwork | have you ever seen those videos with a guy striking out his work pc with a keyboard ? i feel like i'm becoming like this guy... |
08:27.24 | alan|boringwork | mirc + msn + msword = this fusdcking pc crashes... |
08:28.57 | XorA | and a workmate of mine punched a QA guy for being annoying |
08:32.11 | alan|boringwork | XorA : i should punch the headmistress (?? is that an english word ??) for being stupid... |
08:32.44 | alan|boringwork | ~lart alan's boss for taking bad decisions, really bad decisions |
08:33.02 | alan|boringwork | thanks ibot |
08:33.11 | alan|boringwork | i almost feel better |
08:33.24 | XorA | alan|boringwork: thats the correct word |
08:33.42 | alan|boringwork | thanks XorA |
08:36.44 | alan|boringwork | pfff... even the intranet is getting mad : i can't see anyone on the network... again this fscking switch |
08:37.53 | alan|boringwork | XorA : ho yeah... |
08:38.31 | XorA | do you smelllllllll what the XorA is cookin! |
08:38.48 | alan|boringwork | \o/ |
08:39.05 | XorA | sorry, Im a WWE freak :-) |
08:40.05 | hrw|work | I found t610 without BT auth ;) |
08:40.27 | XorA | sony ericson? |
08:40.51 | hrw|work | yes |
08:40.59 | XorA | hrw|work: bluejack it :-) |
08:41.00 | alan|boringwork | hrw|work : that is the phone i have. |
08:41.06 | hrw|work | but removed blues-utils from husky ;( |
08:41.41 | XorA | was trying to get irda working on desktop last night with little success :-( |
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08:44.43 | alan|boringwork | pfffff... |
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08:46.32 | alan|boringwork | what did i miss ? |
08:47.41 | XorA | alan|boringwork: nothing of interest, just me failing to get irda on desktop working |
08:48.03 | alan|boringwork | ho... |
08:48.05 | alan|boringwork | ok |
08:48.37 | alan|boringwork | you want an irda network ? |
08:48.53 | XorA | alan|boringwork: I want my phone to sync |
08:48.57 | XorA | I dont have BT |
08:49.21 | hrw|work | I dont have working BT now |
08:49.37 | alan|boringwork | mmm... with an irda reciever on a pc ? |
08:49.40 | XorA | hrw|work: what happened |
08:49.57 | XorA | alan|boringwork: yes, I bought one for *doze, that happens to be recognised by linux |
08:50.08 | hrw|work | XorA: dont know |
08:50.37 | alan|boringwork | XorA : what phnoe model ? |
08:50.43 | alan|boringwork | phone* |
08:50.52 | XorA | alan|boringwork: nokia 6822 |
08:51.02 | alan|boringwork | wait a minute... |
08:51.03 | XorA | hrw|work: did it break with 2.6.12-mm1? |
08:51.51 | hrw|work | XorA: testing now |
08:53.02 | XorA | hrw|work: my irda seems to have broken with that kernel on Z |
08:54.22 | XorA | hrw|work: me 1.7G P4 in work is flatlined with monotone |
08:56.05 | alan|boringwork | XorA : your phone is untested here http://tuxmobil.org/ir_misc.html#phone |
08:56.13 | alan|boringwork | i think you know this... |
08:56.35 | XorA | alan|boringwork: it will obex with Z |
08:57.26 | alan|boringwork | obex ? |
08:59.20 | alan|boringwork | XorA : this page _might_ be usefull : http://tuxmobil.org/howto_linux_laptop.html |
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09:09.21 | XorA | alan|boringwork: OBhject EXchange, protocol used to "ftp" on Irda and BT |
09:09.34 | alan|boringwork | ho... |
09:11.16 | alan|boringwork | (^^) mmm... i just chose "send file"... am i still a win user ???? @_@ ? |
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09:13.58 | alan|boringwork | i'll be bac |
09:14.02 | alan|boringwork | k |
09:14.05 | alan|boringwork | ^^ |
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11:14.07 | alan | re |
11:14.54 | XorA | reyo |
11:15.38 | alan | i'm back home... now all i'm waiting for is my new job appointment, on thursday... |
11:18.00 | XorA | alan: good luck |
11:21.01 | alan | XorA: thanks. |
11:23.02 | alan | cool ! OZljr new version is ready ! |
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13:22.35 | lardman | afternoon all |
13:22.44 | XorA | yo lardman |
13:22.49 | lardman | Hey XorA |
13:22.54 | lardman | how goes it? |
13:22.58 | XorA | not bad, you? |
13:23.10 | lardman | not too bad, been busy lately though so no IRC, etc. |
13:23.24 | XorA | :-D |
13:23.27 | XorA | Im at work |
13:23.34 | XorA | and work suxx |
13:23.41 | lardman | I was just popping online to mention that my Z ran flat, possibly because I left the headphones plugged in - has anyone seen this |
13:23.57 | lardman | and yeah, work is a pita |
13:24.09 | XorA | lardman: which kernel? |
13:24.26 | lardman | um, not the .12 release, but the pre-release before that |
13:24.30 | lardman | if that makes sense |
13:24.46 | XorA | 2.6.12-rcX-mmY? |
13:25.04 | lardman | hang on, let me take a look though OE |
13:26.15 | lardman | hmm, can't see it, but I think it was 2.6.12-rc5-mm1 |
13:26.25 | lardman | I don't have my Z with me atm so I can't look on it |
13:26.39 | XorA | lardman: ok, I was beginning to suspect it wasn sleeping proerly myself |
13:26.55 | lardman | which version are you running atm? |
13:27.02 | XorA | lardman: I seen myself losing battery too fast since I switched to 2.6.12-mm1 |
13:27.13 | lardman | oh right |
13:27.28 | XorA | lardman: I didnt do the intermediate versions between 2.6.11 and current as I was on holiday |
13:27.41 | lardman | This was strange - I had been listening to mp3s and the battery went from 95-80%, then I suspended & came back 2 days later & it's dead |
13:28.18 | XorA | lardman: must be something not going to sleep properly again |
13:28.33 | lardman | I switched to Opie recently (as I don't have time atm to hack & needed a usable mp3 player with good bl control), and the 2.6.12-mm1 image I built wouldn't start opie |
13:29.03 | lardman | XorA: yes, I'll have to bake an up-to-date kernel and do some testing |
13:30.04 | XorA | lardman: well that would be great, I dont have time, but I have been suspecting my battery was going flat during suspend for a couple of days |
13:30.35 | lardman | XorA: I must admit I'd not seen any issues since the CF thing was sorted out, but perhaps they've come back |
13:32.21 | lardman | now I have to search for an ethernet socket to plug my build box back in |
13:33.14 | alan | hello lardman ! |
13:33.32 | lardman | hey alan |
13:34.02 | lardman | bbiab |
13:37.29 | alan | XorA: on c7x0 models, can we install docs on /ram ? |
13:37.38 | alan | progs, no docs.... |
13:38.44 | XorA | alan: /mnt/ram on c7x0 is same as / |
13:39.09 | XorA | alan: there is no mtdram file system on these devices |
13:39.40 | alan | XorA: oki... that is what i thought... |
13:43.37 | alan | glrp... latest OZljr is the same as the prvious one, but with corrected wifi modules... but i don't have any wifi... |
13:43.54 | alan | grrr... i flashed for nothing... |
13:45.23 | hrw|work | XorA: connect+? |
13:45.49 | hrw|work | XorA: on c7x0 /media/ram is tmpfs |
13:49.23 | Luke-Jr | hrw|work: not on OZ 3.5.3, IIRC |
13:50.44 | Luke-Jr | alan: actually, by "wifi modules" I usually mean "external modules" |
13:50.57 | Luke-Jr | not sure why latest didn't upgrade them properly :| |
13:51.10 | hrw|work | Luke-Jr: but in 3.5.3+ |
13:52.06 | lardman|work | Luke-Jr: Is yours a c7x0 image? |
13:53.26 | Luke-Jr | lardman|work: yes |
13:53.42 | lardman|work | Luke-Jr: How big is the initrd.bin? |
13:53.58 | Luke-Jr | lardman|work: 35 or 21 MB |
13:54.02 | Luke-Jr | normal/minimal |
13:54.16 | lardman|work | Luke-Jr: Ah, you have one which would fit my C750 then |
13:54.29 | lardman|work | Luke-Jr: Is it using the latest kernel version from OE? |
13:54.35 | Luke-Jr | yep |
13:54.46 | Luke-Jr | the minimal is made specifically to fit 750 :) |
13:55.17 | lardman|work | Cool - I have yet to find an ethernet socket to put my build machine back on the net but want to test the latest kernel, sounds ideal |
13:55.41 | Luke-Jr | http://utopios.org/~luke-jr/programs/oz-ljr/ |
13:55.45 | lardman|work | thanks |
13:55.48 | Luke-Jr | note the latest images have incorrect modules |
13:55.52 | Luke-Jr | working on that now |
13:58.32 | hrw|work | Luke-Jr: rm tmp/deploy/ipk/kernel*;rebuild kernel |
13:59.13 | Luke-Jr | hrw|work: I was using *module* |
13:59.32 | hrw|work | Luke-Jr: rm also kernel* |
14:00.03 | hrw|work | kernel-module-* depend on kernel-image or kernel |
14:00.09 | lardman|work | yeah, I had that problem recently - BB doesn't recognise the weird kernel versioning scheme |
14:00.20 | hrw|work | and 2.6.12-rc6-mm1 has higher PV then 2.6.12-mm1 |
14:00.28 | Luke-Jr | ah |
14:01.18 | lardman|work | Luke-Jr: Have you looked at the backlight, and more specifically handling it better? |
14:01.44 | Luke-Jr | lardman|work: eh... I kinda gave up on using the backlight a few OZ releases ago =p |
14:02.32 | lardman|work | Luke-Jr: I've got a shell script which means that it works, but it needs more granularity & needs to be re-written in C to be acceptable to everyone but the 2.6.x crowd |
14:02.42 | Luke-Jr | o |
14:02.51 | Luke-Jr | I actually am stuck on 2.4 still |
14:02.55 | lardman|work | ipaq-sleep also needs some more granularity |
14:03.02 | Luke-Jr | actually use that mic =p |
14:03.12 | lardman|work | Luke-Jr: You don't have a c7x0 machine? |
14:03.16 | Luke-Jr | I do |
14:03.27 | Luke-Jr | But it's a C760 |
14:03.40 | lardman|work | why don't you use 2.6.x? |
14:03.47 | Luke-Jr | for some reason or another, the 2.6 audio driver doesn't support the mic on Cx60 |
14:03.57 | lardman|work | ah, I see |
14:04.12 | lardman|work | there's a mic is there - news to me (750) |
14:04.20 | Luke-Jr | LOL |
14:04.21 | hrw|work | Luke-Jr: easy reason - RP does not have mic so does not support it |
14:04.25 | alan | hello Luke-Jr |
14:04.25 | Luke-Jr | it's a headset port |
14:04.33 | Luke-Jr | hrw|work: mics are cheap =p |
14:04.49 | Luke-Jr | hrw|work: reason is more likely due to audio driver just being a sharp-port |
14:05.39 | Luke-Jr | He hasn't had time to rewrite audio yet |
14:05.42 | hrw|work | that too |
14:06.33 | alan | lardman|work: backlight kind of works on the 750... |
14:06.50 | alan | lardman|work: i mean the backlight setting... |
14:08.10 | XorA | someone buy RP a mic |
14:08.29 | alan | ^^ |
14:08.50 | lardman|work | alan: what do you mean by the setting? |
14:09.28 | alan | well... i can set how light the screen is... was that not what you were talking about ? |
14:09.42 | lardman|work | yes |
14:09.50 | lardman|work | http://students.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/Zaurus/bl/bl.remove-all-off-this-extension.sh copy this file to /usr/bin/bl |
14:10.11 | lardman|work | (as in remove all of the extension) |
14:10.26 | lardman|work | then you can run bl 255 for max brightness, bl on, bl off, etc. |
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14:13.29 | alan | Luke-Jr: sd-mod and g-ether are not included in latest availiable OZljr, right ? |
14:13.53 | Luke-Jr | whatever is default o.o |
14:14.09 | hrw|work | alan: since when sd is in module? |
14:14.20 | hrw|work | g_ether should be in image if it is from OE |
14:14.27 | alan | hrw|work: i don't know... |
14:14.57 | alan | sd cards won't mount... i guessed (looks like i was wrong...) it was related to a kernel module... |
14:15.29 | lardman|work | alan: try ejecting, then inserting then waiting for a while |
14:15.54 | alan | lardman|work: done : won't work... |
14:16.07 | alan | hrw|work: it's on OZ ljr... |
14:17.02 | hrw|work | alan: ah.. totally unsupported by me then ;) |
14:17.46 | alan | hrw|work: yeah, i know... ^^ |
14:19.07 | lardman|work | s/distrib/ROM (where is koen? ;) ) |
14:19.27 | alan | XorA: please don't !! i can't test them all... |
14:19.28 | Luke-Jr | hrw|work: kernel is "from OE" =p |
14:19.31 | XorA | Xoraus OpenROM! |
14:19.44 | Luke-Jr | XorA: why not OZ-ljr? =p |
14:20.05 | alan | Luke-Jr: \o/ |
14:20.41 | lardman|work | I don't understand the reason anyway - Luke-Jr: what does your flavour of OZ do differently, other than have a few different packages? |
14:21.11 | hrw|work | OpenUmpaUmpa Hrw edition 1.17.3 |
14:21.11 | lardman|work | (Not having a go, just wondering) |
14:21.24 | Luke-Jr | lardman|work: have a few diff pkgs and regular updates |
14:21.34 | XorA | hrw|work: sounds like an Oompah Loompah |
14:21.40 | lardman|work | Luke-Jr: Regular updates is a good thing |
14:22.02 | lardman|work | Luke-Jr: So you could produce a Luke-Jr meta file and add it to OE and then anyone could do the same? |
14:22.10 | Luke-Jr | yea |
14:22.32 | Luke-Jr | well, not really produce... they exist =p |
14:22.39 | Luke-Jr | just not in OE ATM |
14:22.55 | alan | guys : a meta faile is the list of progs you want your image to include ? |
14:23.16 | lardman|work | I was wondering whether you'd added in sudo, etc. and produced something which is easier to work with out-of-the-box |
14:23.35 | Luke-Jr | sudo's in there, yes =p |
14:23.40 | Luke-Jr | needs configuring tho |
14:23.47 | Luke-Jr | basically just a visudo |
14:24.06 | lardman|work | that would be a useful addition to the GPE images in general IMHO |
14:24.17 | Luke-Jr | I think it's at bootstrap-level |
14:24.24 | Luke-Jr | in my forked pkgs |
14:24.53 | hrw|work | Luke-Jr: visudo now use vi - it is fixed |
14:25.08 | Luke-Jr | FYI, I'm planning to drop maintained the current GPE-meta-fork when I get KDE images =p |
14:25.23 | XorA | yuuuuuuurccccchhhhhhhhhhhh |
14:25.26 | alan | ^^ |
14:25.29 | Luke-Jr | hrw|work: visudo is needed to set proper perms on the sudoers file-- and add some users =p |
14:25.39 | alan | XorA: it did the same to me... |
14:25.44 | Luke-Jr | o.O |
14:27.45 | alan | d(^^)b |
14:28.49 | XorA | although Id sell me sould for an amd64 table size of Z with 24 hours abttery life |
14:29.06 | lardman|work | To sum up my opinion (never having used any of these flavours of image), it's good that people can get an up-to-date build, it's also if usability issues are adressed |
14:29.11 | Luke-Jr | XorA: not a full-blown KDE =p |
14:29.15 | lardman|work | So good on you |
14:29.48 | Luke-Jr | XorA: a stripped-down kdebase |
14:29.48 | XorA | dont think ive run actual OZ since 3.5.1 |
14:30.03 | XorA | Luke-Jr: I want to see enlightenment on PDA |
14:30.15 | Luke-Jr | XorA: isn't that already in OE? |
14:30.18 | lardman|work | s/adressed/addressed - people will think I'm French or something! |
14:30.42 | XorA | Luke-Jr: it is, but I was kind of hoping for them to actually release, its been 6 years or something |
14:30.43 | alan | lardman|work: i'm french... |
14:30.51 | lardman|work | alan: I know |
14:30.56 | alan | lardman|work: ^^ |
14:30.57 | Luke-Jr | alan: I'm sorry |
14:30.58 | Luke-Jr | =p j/k |
14:31.31 | alan | Luke-Jr: sometines, so am i... |
14:31.55 | XorA | we keep trying to tempt alan to the right side of the water, he resists so far |
14:32.03 | alan | looooool |
14:32.28 | alan | Luke-Jr: what the hell is that ? |
14:32.40 | lardman|work | sounds like a good thing |
14:32.42 | Luke-Jr | alan: "I'm proud to be anti-America" =p |
14:32.50 | alan | d(^^)b |
14:33.34 | Luke-Jr | I'm anti-French-govt and such too, note =p |
14:33.35 | XorA | Luke-Jr: you better not have been wrecking Edin yesterday! |
14:33.43 | Luke-Jr | anti-most-governments, actually |
14:33.54 | Luke-Jr | XorA: wife only let me aim up :( |
14:34.45 | Luke-Jr | XorA: shoot at them w/ roman candles? |
14:34.51 | lardman|work | was that behind the riot police? |
14:35.02 | XorA | lardman|work: above them in the office |
14:35.17 | lardman|work | ah, out of reach - a good thing |
14:35.38 | XorA | lardman|work: bunch of pansies anyway, a 5 year old girl would have wiped the floor with them |
14:36.03 | Luke-Jr | I don't have a 5 yr old girl |
14:36.32 | XorA | but apparently there will be more riots tomorrow |
14:37.28 | Luke-Jr | wow... no 5 yr old girls at all there? :| |
14:38.08 | XorA | theyve had practice now |
14:38.15 | XorA | and learned their way around edin |
14:39.01 | lardman|work | time to go and do some work, bbl |
14:39.34 | alan | Luke-Jr: no kernel-module*.ipk in your feed... are you rebuilding them ? |
14:40.07 | Luke-Jr | yea |
14:40.10 | alan | ok. |
14:40.26 | Luke-Jr | rebuilding everything kernel-related |
14:41.13 | alan | Luke-Jr: ok. |
14:41.46 | alan | as long as it can be used with 2.6.12-mm1... |
14:46.02 | alan | Luke-Jr: the terminal error is the following : couldn't obtain control of tty.alan@c7x0:/ |
14:51.52 | alan | without talking about the "urxvt : can't get colour '#blabla' continuing without" errors... |
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15:52.33 | alan | Luke-Jr: latest build didn't create a /home/root/ file by default... |
15:54.45 | lardman|work | hmm, I just realised that bk isn't working anymore, time to look at the mailing list and work out where to go from here |
15:55.28 | alan | bk ? |
15:56.12 | lardman|work | bitkeeper |
15:56.20 | alan | ho... |
15:57.23 | XorA | lardman|work: monotone |
15:57.32 | XorA | lardman|work: its on frontpage of www.openembedded.org |
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15:58.08 | TheMaskedUnit | gm all |
15:58.16 | lardman|work | XorA: yep - I'm looking now |
16:02.21 | TheMaskedUnit | i see there's a SD driver update for the sharp rom, can it be used on OZ? |
16:05.28 | subdue | there is? |
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16:06.13 | TheMaskedUnit | an older one, but yeah, for the sharp sl-5x00 series |
16:06.32 | subdue | oh |
16:06.45 | subdue | I use sharp rom 3.13 on the 5500 |
16:07.07 | subdue | then installed thekompany.rom |
16:07.10 | TheMaskedUnit | then you should probly download and isntall the SD update |
16:07.25 | subdue | well, haven't had problems, but where is that? |
16:07.25 | XorA | TheMaskedUnit: when was this SD update released? |
16:07.31 | TheMaskedUnit | is the konpany built on sharps rom? |
16:07.37 | subdue | yes |
16:07.40 | TheMaskedUnit | jan 2004 i think |
16:07.48 | subdue | essentially a trim downed sharp rom |
16:07.56 | subdue | where is the update? |
16:08.21 | TheMaskedUnit | just a sec |
16:08.26 | subdue | ok |
16:09.02 | TheMaskedUnit | http://www.zaurususergroup.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=UpDownload&file=index&req=viewsdownload&sid=52 |
16:09.12 | subdue | ty |
16:09.13 | XorA | the SD driver in OZ was the latest version ever + some special hack to make it a bit better |
16:09.49 | subdue | I wouldnt trust the date btw |
16:10.00 | TheMaskedUnit | the date? |
16:10.08 | subdue | 29-Jan-2004 |
16:10.15 | subdue | that may not accurately reflect how recent it is |
16:11.00 | TheMaskedUnit | XorA, are you saying the OZ SD driver is newer and more trustworthy then this one i just posted? |
16:11.09 | XorA | TheMaskedUnit: 99.9% sure |
16:11.51 | subdue | thanks for the link |
16:12.03 | TheMaskedUnit | yep |
16:12.50 | XorA | time for me to go home |
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16:15.59 | alan | Luke-Jr: i raided Xora's feed for kernel modules... g_ether works.* |
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16:23.57 | TheMaskedUnit | has anyone here experienced problems with San Disk SD cards with the zaurus sl-5x00 models? |
16:26.37 | hrw | 64M work ok here in collie |
16:33.35 | TheMaskedUnit | hrw, fat formatted? |
16:33.50 | hrw | TheMaskedUnit: ext2 now |
16:34.27 | TheMaskedUnit | hrw, have you formatted it more then once, maybe back to fat, and did it work? just curious |
16:36.12 | hrw | TheMaskedUnit: it was many times formatted iirc - I got it as a gift |
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16:38.04 | TheMaskedUnit | im a little paranoid about using my sd cards in the zaurus, ive read some bad reviews |
16:39.01 | hrw | how big it is? |
16:39.46 | TheMaskedUnit | i have two, 128mb i bought a year ago, and a 1GB i just bought. |
16:40.02 | hrw | and got problem with 1G one? |
16:40.48 | TheMaskedUnit | no, ive just been using it in the mp3 player so far. |
16:41.07 | hrw | no problems when using it in Z? |
16:42.18 | TheMaskedUnit | i havent tried that yet. :) |
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17:03.31 | petya | re |
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17:22.06 | lardman|work | bye all |
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17:45.19 | TheMaskedUnit | has anyone moved root to an sd card here? |
17:50.45 | Luke-Jr | alan: try new image |
17:53.00 | petya | bye all |
18:06.07 | alan | Luke-Jr: that will be for tomorrow. |
18:06.26 | urs | Anyone solved the problems with the updated collie kernel yet? |
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18:33.48 | hrw | urs: what problems? my collie does not notice any |
18:34.54 | hrw | I have 3.5.3 + upgrades on it and it work nice |
18:36.00 | urs | With the default initrd, it won't boot |
18:36.25 | urs | and if I first install with the old kernel, and then ipkg update, it won't update anything |
18:36.27 | hrw | when flashed from zero? kernel -r21 and opie-image? |
18:36.52 | urs | (yes, i've gut upgrades and machine/collie - feeds in my ipkg.conf) |
18:37.19 | urs | Yes, with -r21 and default initrd-opie, it hangs when starting init |
18:37.26 | hrw | hmm.. |
18:37.50 | urs | Do I need to update my kernel-modules or anything? |
18:38.28 | hrw | basically all modules should work |
18:38.45 | hrw | too bad that I dont have time to check it from scratch |
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18:53.08 | petya | re |
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19:41.27 | alan | off to slep. gn all!e |
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