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07:46.32*** topic/#openzaurus is OpenZaurus user discussion/support channel | developer discussion in #oe | http://openzaurus.org/ | Don't ask to ask, just ask. | OZ 3.5.3 -> http://openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.3/ | Report OZ bugs at http://bugs.openembedded.org/ l/p: guest/guest
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08:37.04alan|gotnewjobyo XorA.
08:41.25XorAmorning alan|gotnewjob
08:41.32XorAwooo wooo well done
08:51.29alan|gotnewjobXorA: thanks ! that is definitely good news... lo hrw
08:52.45hrwhi
08:52.50hrwalan|gotnewjob: gratulations
08:55.49XorAalan|gotnewjob: so whats your new job?
09:05.57alan|gotnewjobi will keep my status : education assistant. but now from september, i'll work in a college, will survey and help students during study hours, and more than this, will survey in a boarding school. This makes me work 24hours in a row (or so...) and be free for the rest of the week ! that is the perfect job for a student like me !
09:12.25XorA:-D
09:12.37XorAso one day work, 6 days boozing, bonus!
09:22.02alan|gotnewjobXorA: ;)
09:22.53alan|gotnewjobwell... 1 day and night work, 4 days at university, 1 day in National library, 1 day boozing...
09:23.28alan|gotnewjobmight be easier if i get this fscking ir keyboard work...
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11:01.04alan|gotnewjobXorA: don't understand why i now have some green lines on the bottom of the screen when playing a video with mplayer-atty-1.1.5 when using -vo w100
11:01.59XorAalan|gotnewjob: from opie or console?
11:02.24alan|gotnewjobGPE... and in any vt
11:02.38XorAalan|gotnewjob: Im running from X in gpe and not seeing lines
11:03.10alan|gotnewjobmmm... what package is the w100 related to ?
11:03.26XorAsharp-aticore-oss
11:04.28alan|gotnewjobwhat version do you use for this ?
11:04.35alan|gotnewjobthe one from your feed ?
11:05.11XorAalan|gotnewjob: everything I use is in my feed
11:05.17alan|gotnewjobok
11:05.22XorAalan|gotnewjob: I never use other people feeds
11:06.34XorAwhat kernel version toyou on?
11:06.58alan|gotnewjob2.6.12-mm1
11:07.27XorAsame as me then
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11:08.34alan|gotnewjobstrange... sharp-aticore-oss is not in luke's feed... but w100 returns no error. Is that possible ?
11:09.24XorAalan|gotnewjob: maybe someone renamed it to sharp-aticore and delted the binary one
11:10.22alan|gotnewjobnope... ipkg list | grep aticore gives me libaticore, dev and examples...
11:10.35alan|gotnewjobgona download your version to test.
11:13.36XorAalan|gotnewjob: it seems to have become libaticore1
11:13.53alan|gotnewjobbtw, i see local files are availiable for many many languages (french for example). I wonder if i could have a complitely french zaurus...
11:13.57alan|gotnewjobXorA: ok.
11:14.23alan|gotnewjobAnd is your version 1.0.1r2 ?
11:14.35XorAalan|gotnewjob: yeah
11:14.46alan|gotnewjobmm...
11:15.03XorAmust delete all those damn french files from me feed :-)
11:15.10alan|gotnewjob\o/
11:16.11alan|gotnewjobXorA: i don't even know how to use local files...
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11:29.09alan|gotnewjobXorA: i now have an idea about where it comes from.
11:29.11alan|gotnewjobroot@c7x0:~# ipkg -d home install http://hyboria.mine.nu/~dp/feed/mplayer-atty_1.1.5-r1_c7x0.ipk
11:29.11alan|gotnewjobDownloading http://hyboria.mine.nu/~dp/feed/mplayer-atty_1.1.5-r1_c7x0.ipk
11:29.11alan|gotnewjobInstalling mplayer-atty (1.1.5-r1) to home...
11:29.11alan|gotnewjobInstalling libsdl-qpe (1.2.7-r4) to home...
11:29.11alan|gotnewjobDownloading http://utopios.org/~luke-jr/programs/oz-ljr/feed/libsdl-qpe_1.2.7-r4_armv5te.ipk
11:29.12alan|gotnewjobAn error ocurred, return value: 3.
11:29.14alan|gotnewjobCollected errors:
11:29.16alan|gotnewjobPackage libsdl-qpe wants to install file /home/packages/usr/bin/sdl-config
11:29.18alan|gotnewjob<PROTECTED>
11:29.22alan|gotnewjobPackage libsdl-qpe wants to install file /home/packages/usr/lib/libSDL-1.2.so.0.7.0
11:29.24alan|gotnewjob<PROTECTED>
11:29.26alan|gotnewjobPackage libsdl-qpe wants to install file /home/packages/usr/lib/libSDL-1.2.so.0
11:29.30alan|gotnewjob<PROTECTED>
11:29.32alan|gotnewjob(sorry for flooding...)
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11:31.22tapoI have problems with the new kernel on openzaurus.org (collie).
11:32.43XorAalan|gotnewjob: looks like ozljr is an opie feed
11:33.52tapol8r
11:34.19alan|gotnewjobXorA: hehe... it shouldn't... but i think he misspackaged mplayer an related...
11:34.38XorAalan|gotnewjob: mine should be pure x11
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11:42.31kolla_wonder how fast the SD/MMC slot on the zaurus can be
11:42.45alan|gotnewjobkolla_: ??
11:43.15alan|gotnewjobi guess it depends on your sd card read/write speed...
11:43.38kolla_alan|gotnewjob: if I buy a 70X or 80X card, that supports like 20-25MB/sec read/writes... I assume the zaurus wont support that
11:44.09XorAkolla_: it will take advantage of the faster flash speed, but zaurus doesnt support the 4 pin IO of SD
11:44.21kolla_which is fine
11:44.38tapodid anyone of you try the new kernel from openzaurus.org
11:44.41tapo?
11:44.45XorAtapo: no collie
11:44.54alan|gotnewjobsame for me
11:44.56XorAour collie guy is on holidays
11:45.01alan|gotnewjob^^
11:45.13kolla_XorA: my question is... is there a point to buy an 80X card over a 40X card?
11:45.28alan|gotnewjobtapo: search the forum ?
11:45.43XorAkolla_: well Id assume the flash in the card is faster, if so then yes
11:46.04tapohmmm
11:46.35kolla_XorA: so the SD slot on the zaurus supports 20-25MB/sec transfers??
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12:13.52XorAkolla_: Ive never speed tested it as mine is slow
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12:43.12kolla_XorA: exactly :)
12:53.40XorAkolla_: I mean my SD card is an old slow one, hrw has a xXX card he speed tested once I think, but he is on holidays now
13:02.33alan|gotnewjobXorA, kolla_ : mmm... didn't i see some benchmark tests on the forum someday ?
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14:49.04alan|gotnewjobXorA: are you still here ?
14:49.15XorAalan|gotnewjob: yup
14:50.28alan|gotnewjobwhat package do you have : libsdl-X11 or libsdl-qpe ? and what is qpe ?
14:50.51XorAqpe is opie version
14:50.58XorAI have libsdl-x11
14:51.06alan|gotnewjobok. thanks
14:51.20XorAcant tell in this font, did I say qpe?
14:51.59alan|gotnewjobno, you said you have x11
14:52.24alan|gotnewjobhad* (i think...)
14:52.44XorAalan|gotnewjob: is ok, this font is too small, having trouble reading qpe vs gpe
14:52.53alan|gotnewjob^^
14:53.35alan|gotnewjob^^
14:54.07XorAwas at NIN last night, so Im death and very tired
14:54.30XorAerm deaf
14:54.30alan|gotnewjobNIN ?
14:54.36XorANine Inch Nails
14:54.55alan|gotnewjobouininin... kesako ?
14:55.37alan|gotnewjobrock band ?
15:01.27XorAalan|gotnewjob: Industrial Metal
15:08.30BCSOk, I'll ask again, anyone have any idea how to get a Mavin bluetooth CF card working on a Collie with 3.5.3?
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15:17.22XorABCS what driver does it use? have you used it on linux at all before?
15:17.55BCSNo, its a compact flash card, so the Zaurus is the only device I can use it for.
15:18.45XorABCS: plug is in, do dmesg and cardctl status
15:23.41BCSIt says its on ttyS03 and Socket 0: 3.3v 16-bit PC card
15:24.35XorABCS: ok, so driver is loaded fine, you just need the BT software now, I have never used linux BT
15:25.00BCShciattach doesn't appear to work
15:25.40XorABCS: well your beyond my knowledge
15:26.22BCSI googled this for ages and all I could find was a reference to the oesf saying that the card needs "tweaking" to work.
15:33.50XorABCS probably best to stick a post on oesf forums and hope
15:34.05XorAdont recall anyone ever asking about that card model here before
15:35.11BCSOk, good idea.
15:35.14BCSThanks
15:36.42XorAsometimes I wish we had some commercial support so we could build a hardware resource for developers with every card we can lay hands on
15:41.18BCSWell I know at least one user on the oesf has a mavin card with a collie using 3.5.3
15:41.31BCS'cos it says it in his/her profile
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15:45.52JustinPanyone here know anything about OZ on the C3000? I've been using it for a little while now and it locks up on wake-up more than half the time
15:45.59JustinPI was wondering if this has been fixed
15:49.18XorAJustinP: lots of work is going into making 2.6 kernel run on C3000, this should vastly improve OZ
15:50.16Ycroshehe I broke opie and gpe is broken, so I'm just using console on my c3k atm
15:50.20YcrosI wish I had screen :E
15:50.42JustinPyeah, 2.6 would be wonderful...damn embeddix crap
15:50.46XorAYcros: screen doesnt compile with modern gcc :-(
15:50.50JustinPI still have opie working
15:51.01YcrosXorA: err.
15:51.05Ycrosis that the only issue?
15:51.10XorAYcros: or glibc I meant to type
15:51.23Ycrosis that an arm specific bug?
15:51.29XorAYcros: it barfs on something to do with iotty typedefs
15:51.40JustinPI broke it a while ago but just replaced my install and tried again. WOrks great now except for the locking up
15:51.48JustinPand I got a better keymap from the forums
15:52.11XorAYcros: if youve got ideas how to fix Id love them, I looked and couldnt for life of me figure what that code was attempting to do
15:52.48Ycrosyou think it's arm specific though?
15:52.57XorAYcros: doubt it
15:53.08Ycrosbecause it works perfectly fine in gentoo
15:53.09XorAYcros: its in fairly generic tty handling code
15:53.10Ycrosand...
15:53.14Ycrosin every other distribution
15:53.22Ycroshave you looked at distribution patches?
15:53.23XorAYcros: must have another squiz and see if there are patches
15:54.10JustinPgentoo still uses gcc 3.3.5 by default (at least on my machine)
15:54.21JustinPdoes that count as modern?
15:54.38XorAwe use 3.4.4
15:54.44YcrosXorA: how do I run an upgrade in bitbake
15:54.54Ycrosie. compile newer versions of everything I've built
15:54.55XorAYcros: upgrade in bitbake?
15:55.17YcrosI've been using gcc 3.4 since it was out
15:55.20XorAYcros: get latest version from monotone and bitbake xx-image
15:55.23Ycrossince I'm on amd64
15:55.31XorAwhere xxx is gpe/opie
15:55.32Ycroson gentoo
15:55.41Ycrosahh
15:55.48Ycrosso that will upgrade dependencies as well?
15:55.58YcrosI've never gotten either opie or gpe to build so far
15:56.02Ycrossomething always fails
15:56.27Ycroshell you can switch to gcc4 in gentoo if you really want
15:56.28Ycros:)~
15:56.42JustinPopie compiles fine on my machine for C3K
15:56.49JustinPGPE still fails on the xserver
15:56.52YcrosJustinP: serious? :-/
15:56.54Ycrosoh
15:56.56YcrosI had gpe
15:57.03Ycrosit only started failing two days ago
15:57.08JustinPwell you said that both break
15:57.12Ycrosyes
15:57.17Ycrosit never makes it all the way through
15:57.20Ycrosrandom things break
15:57.24JustinPI think I tried yesterday...perhaps I should try to update
15:57.30Ycroslike sdl-mixer won't compile now
15:58.43JustinPonly 4 patches for screen in Gentoo and one of them is for uclibc
15:58.52XorAYcros: opie build on amd64 is impossible, libtool is b0rked
15:59.10Ycrosoh?
15:59.22Ycrosactually I can probably fix that
15:59.27XorAYcros: on pcre it insists on pulling in /usr/lib
15:59.37YcrosI remember fixing a lot of libtool errors on gentoo when amd64 was new and everything was broken
15:59.38XorAYcros: I on amd64, I use a 32bit chroot
16:00.11Ycroswell I'm new to arm
16:00.15XorAanyway I must go, maybe I look at screen again
16:00.16Ycrosand oe
16:00.23YcrosI'm having a look at it now
16:00.30YcrosI'm going to try apply some patches from gentoo
16:00.48XorAYcros: cool, I dont understand tty handling
16:01.00JustinPapplying patches is pretty easy, just edit the bb file and copy in the patches
16:01.04Ycrosneither do I
16:01.05XorAYcros: but screen used to compile when we used gcc 3.3.X
16:01.16Ycrosbut it's probably just a gcc or platform compatability issue
16:01.18Ycrosyeah
16:01.20Ycrosgcc issue
16:01.22Ycrossee
16:01.30Ycrosa year ago when I got an amd64
16:01.37Ycrosso many packages had issues with gcc 3.4
16:01.42XorAanyway, must be off home
16:01.48YcrosI was fixing a lot of them
16:01.54Ycrosso I'm kind of used to the problems
16:02.08Ycrosit's usually poor code that does it anyway
16:03.10Ycrosokay
16:03.12Ycroswell
16:03.20Ycrosconsidering that screen is marked stable in gentoo for arm....
16:03.46kolla_hm, I compiled screen with 3.4.4 today
16:03.59JustinPjust to see if it compiles for me
16:04.13JustinPor if I can get the Gentoo patches working on it
16:04.27kolla_right
16:04.45kolla_I'm running gentoo on my zaurus, and screen compiled fine there
16:05.05JustinPI assume you're using another machine to actually compile?
16:05.15kolla_no
16:05.18JustinPno?
16:05.29kolla_no, it compiles just fine on its own :)
16:05.46JustinPyeah...but it doesn't have *that* much ram and the larger packages would take forever
16:05.50JustinPsay... a kernel
16:05.59YcrosI'm very tempted to run gentoo on my zaurus
16:06.03Ycrosor debian or something
16:06.06JustinPor X
16:06.08kolla_yeah well, I have collie, there arent that many kernels to pick from :)
16:06.09JustinPor Gnome / KDE
16:06.19JustinPyou're running gentoo on a collie??
16:06.21Ycrosor ion :)~
16:06.25kolla_yes?
16:06.58JustinPdo you have to apply extra kernel patches?
16:07.14kolla_I just use the openzaurus kernel
16:07.46kolla_everything installed on a 1GB SD card, swap-file and /var/tmp on CF-card
16:07.53kolla_<PROTECTED>
16:08.23kolla_pivot_root to the SD first thing in the OZ boot, and "kill -1 1"
16:10.09JustinPdo you have any graphical environments?
16:10.18kolla_yes, twin
16:10.41kolla_but really.. no, I have my zaurus up on the book shelve
16:11.06kolla_I didnt find it usefull for anything, since I could do all the zaurus could, and more, on the phone
16:11.14JustinPwhat phone?
16:11.18kolla_SE-P800
16:11.35JustinPdoes it run linux?
16:11.39kolla_no, ofcourse not
16:11.47JustinPthen it can't do everything your zaurus can
16:12.11kolla_like?
16:12.53JustinPif you can't answer that question then perhaps your Zaurus wasn't the best of things to buy
16:13.02kolla_indeed :)
16:13.09kolla_linux on PDA sucks
16:13.17tapo:-)
16:13.28JustinPI like it just fine. I loved my collie. And I *really* love my spitz
16:13.38tapothat is, PDA without phone sucks
16:13.51YcrosI love my spitz too
16:13.52kolla_it's so nice when you're out with your linux pda, and someone wants to look at it.. before you know it, they have torn out your memory cards and the darn thing has halted
16:14.01YcrosI can code python wherever I am
16:14.04Ycros:)~
16:14.23Ycrosheh, that doesn't happen to me
16:14.31Ycrosit's also now my music player
16:14.37JustinPkolla_: well that's your problem. You shouldn't have let them tear them out. Or get a C3000 where you don't have to run on the card.
16:14.38kolla_spitz is what.. C3k?
16:14.42JustinPyeah
16:14.47Ycrosand I play doom on it :)~
16:14.57Ycrosand other old games
16:15.01kolla_well, there was no C3k around when I bought mine
16:15.12kolla_and now I have a laptop small enough anyways
16:15.29YcrosI was considering a laptop
16:15.44Ycrosbut I got a zaurus, as I've never played with arm or small devices before
16:15.51JustinPok, looks like screen fails due to conflicting types on a buch of permissions vars
16:15.52Ycrosso I figured it would be more interesting and fun
16:16.09kolla_for music, ssh, gps, pictures etc.. the phone is simply so much better
16:16.17kolla_and I can remote control the laptop from the phone
16:16.29kolla_with the buildt in bluetooth
16:17.25JustinPI'd rather have Linux on my PDA than have my PDA be my cell phone
16:17.38JustinPand it's not just a PDA for me. It's a pocketable computer
16:17.46kolla_indeed, it's not a PDA
16:18.06kolla_not in the traditional sense anyways
16:18.28JustinPwhereas most phones are more of a PDA
16:18.33kolla_yes
16:18.52Ycrosphones are phones
16:18.55YcrosI use mine to ring people
16:18.57Ycros:P
16:19.59kolla_and my zaurus is just yet another gentoo box on my network :)
16:22.03kolla_Ycros: people here use PDAs to ring people, or their PCs
16:22.18kolla_sip-clients all over now
16:23.30kolla_anyways, compiling on the zaurus works just fine :)
16:23.32Ycrosoh people do that here somewhat
16:23.36YcrosI just don't
16:24.23JustinPYcros: extern __uid_t getuid (void) __THROW;     vs.      extern int   getuid __P((void));
16:24.30JustinPthere are a bunch of those that are failing for screen
16:25.21Ycrosyou know what
16:25.27Ycrosit's 2.30 here
16:25.29YcrosI'm going to sleep
16:25.33JustinPok, then
16:25.59Ycrosit doesn't look like a very difficult problem
16:26.03YcrosI'll look at it closer tomorrow
16:28.37Ycroslooks like osdef.sh is generating the wrong stuff
16:35.04JustinPand what do you know, it's time to upgrade screen on my Gentoo box ;-)
16:36.32kolla_yes, there was an update yesterday or so
16:36.40kolla_http://amiga.nvg.org/moro/gentooZ.png  :)
16:42.12kolla_what is the difference between C3100 and C3000?
16:46.21JustinPmore memory I think
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17:38.12TheMaskedUnitmini spliiit
17:40.54TheMaskedUnitcan i ask about the no asking about asking policy?
17:41.37slackmanTheMaskedUnit: sure, whats your question :P
17:43.25TheMaskedUnitwow , just installed OZ and im having a hell of a time installing snes9x
17:50.32TheMaskedUnitLuke-Jr: i am your father...
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17:53.17TheMaskedUnitLuke-Jr: i am your father...
17:56.37TheMaskedUnitdoes anyone else here have a linksys WCF12 card?
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17:56.50mimecarhi
17:56.53JustinPI used to
17:57.21TheMaskedUnitwhy not any more?
17:58.15TheMaskedUnitthey sure didnt make these stylus's to durable, keep braking it...
17:59.00JustinPthat would be breaking
17:59.02JustinP"breaking"
17:59.15JustinPMy SL5500's stylus is still going strong in my C3000
17:59.16TheMaskedUnittypo :O
17:59.33JustinPI swapped that out on the first day...that plastic stylus was *not* ok
18:00.03JustinPI broke my WCF12. Bent it a little and it stopped working. Cracked the Plastic.
18:00.14TheMaskedUnitouch.
18:00.34JustinPI have an Ambicom WL1100C-CF now. It works well.
18:03.04TheMaskedUnitoz and my wcf12 arent working to well together
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18:09.58TheMaskedUnitok, not cool. i just reflashed OZ, and i cant install snes9x from the feed, i get a "Aplication termi" Package Manager was terminated due to signal code SIGSEGV!!!
18:10.55Luke-JrTheMaskedUnit: lies
18:11.24TheMaskedUnitlies?
18:12.13JustinPTheMaskedUnit: no
18:12.19JustinPdon't use the Package Manager
18:12.27JustinPipkg install opie-aqpkg
18:12.30JustinPit works better
18:12.41JustinPbut you're better off just using ipkg from the command-line for everything
18:12.44JustinPipkg install snes9x
18:13.00TheMaskedUnitwow, okay tried it again, and it installed whew.
18:13.31TheMaskedUnitopie-aqpkg isnt installed? and whats the diff?
18:13.45JustinPit's better
18:14.10TheMaskedUnitthanks ill try it out
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18:17.57XorA|gonehomeTheMaskedUnit: I also have a WCF12
18:18.25TheMaskedUnitwow, snes9x-sdl-qpe is alot slower then i thought it would be
18:20.26JustinPon what zaurus?
18:20.39TheMaskedUniton the sl-5500
18:20.54JustinPyep, it was slow on my 5500 as well
18:26.23incineratorarg, I cannot get WEP to work with my D-Link 660 :-((
18:26.46TheMaskedUnitdoes anyone know where to find a Opera ipk?
18:27.06XorA|gonehomewww.zaurususergroup.org
18:27.38TheMaskedUnitthanks!
18:28.23TheMaskedUniti guess theres an Opera 7, does anyone know where to find that?
18:29.27JustinPyeah, you can get that from that model thing....
18:29.32JustinPmodal
18:29.53XorA|gonehomehttp://hyboria.mine.nu/~dp/opera_7.55.6079_arm.ipk
18:30.21TheMaskedUnitnice! this will work on oZ 3.5.3?
18:30.37XorA|gonehomeyou need the compat libs
18:30.51XorA|gonehomeand you also need to read the thread on ZUG about changing the cache sizes
18:30.55XorA|gonehomethen it will sort of work
18:30.59TheMaskedUnitsharp compat libs from the feed right?
18:31.03XorA|gonehomeTheMaskedUnit: yes
18:31.05incineratorhas anybody got WEP running with OZ 3.5.3-Opie?
18:31.11XorA|gonehomeincinerator: yes
18:31.23JustinPincinerator: yes, with my Ambicom card
18:31.26TheMaskedUnitthen it will sort of work? that  doesnt sound to great
18:31.27incineratorany hints? the Network settings thingy doesn't seem to work...
18:31.28JustinPI also got WPA working nicely
18:31.35incineratorWEP, not WPA
18:31.36JustinPtry using iwconfig
18:31.39XorA|gonehomeTheMaskedUnit: its unstable
18:31.53JustinPI know, I just thought I'd mention I also got WPA working, which is harder
18:31.59incineratork
18:32.08incineratoryeah, I'll tackle that next....
18:32.18incineratorunencrypted access works fine
18:32.19JustinPtry iwconfig
18:32.24incineratorhmm, k
18:32.28JustinPif you can get that to work then the Network app *should* work
18:32.34TheMaskedUnitwill opera 6 work without the fix or compat libs?
18:32.36XorA|gonehomeincinerator: if entering a key under opie in ascii preceed it with s: eg. s:Password
18:32.54XorA|gonehomeTheMaskedUnit: that I found was just as unstable, I run Firefox in GPE
18:32.59incineratornah, I use a hex key, /etc/network/interfaces look reasonably right
18:33.29TheMaskedUnitwhats good for opie then?
18:33.40JustinPis=if
18:33.51TheMaskedUnithaving a good browser was the main reason i bought the Zaurus
18:34.13JustinPKonq works well...
18:34.20JustinPyou can always use GPE and FireFox
18:34.26TheMaskedUnitdoes it require deps?
18:34.38TheMaskedUnitKonq that is
18:34.47JustinPGPE is a whole other graphical environment
18:34.48XorA|gonehomeJustinP: GPE should compile for C3k, I compiled it for C860 only today and the userspace is the same
18:35.05JustinPXorA|gonehome: I get xserver errors
18:35.09JustinPone sec, let me try it again
18:35.17XorA|gonehomeJustinP: hrmm, xserver hasnt changed for months
18:35.22JustinPTheMaskedUnit: I don't know, try installing it
18:35.36JustinPXorA: exactly....it's not updated for the C3K
18:35.43incineratorcool, now it works
18:35.55JustinPor perhaps I don't have the correct xserver set up in my conf...I really have no idea which it needs
18:35.58incineratormanual iwconfig helped, but how to i get that into a working config?
18:36.21XorA|gonehomeJustinP: xserver-kdrive
18:36.31JustinPwell let's see which one it tries...
18:37.00XorA|gonehomeJustinP: should be, MACHINE=spitz, DISTRO=openzaurus-3.5.4, in local.conf
18:37.12XorA|gonehome~spitz
18:37.12ibotfrom memory, spitz is the Sharp SL-C3000, or a dog
18:37.54JustinPyes
18:37.57JustinPand I do have that set
18:38.01JustinPbut let me make sure
18:38.35JustinPwhy shouldn't DISTRO be openzaurus? does that use an old tree?
18:38.37JustinPperhaps?
18:38.56XorA|gonehomeJustinP: openzaurus is really bleeding edge, 3.5.4 is the leadup to next release
18:39.13JustinPhmmm...are they being worked in simultaneoously....?
18:39.24JustinPxserver-xorg-6.8.99.11-r0: task do_compile: failed
18:39.28JustinPok, trying with 3.5.4
18:39.36TheMaskedUniti just tried installing Konq/E and i got ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependency: libqte2 (>2.3.10-snapshot-20050121)
18:39.57XorA|gonehomeJustinP: openzaurus is a subset of openzaurus-3.5.4 3.5.4 just adds fixed versions for some stuff that is know not to compile in later versions
18:40.08JustinPhmmm, ok
18:40.12JustinPtrying that now
18:40.23JustinPTheMaskedUnit: did you set up all of the right feeds?
18:40.26XorA|gonehomeJustinP: openzaurus-3.5.4 will eventually become the release version
18:40.28incineratorJustinP: manual iwconfig works as expected, but how do I get that into a working /etc/netwporks/interfaces?
18:40.49XorA|gonehomekonq/E in the upgrade feed I heard had fsck depens, install with -force-depends
18:40.54TheMaskedUnitJustinP: the right feeds? im working with what was on the 3.5.3 rom
18:41.16XorA|gonehomeor maybe it was original and upgrade feed has the fix, one of the two
18:41.43TheMaskedUnitI need a browser.. this is wrong.
18:43.04JustinPTheMaskedUnit: try forcing it to install with -force-depends
18:43.14JustinPalso, make sur eyou have the upgrades feed set up
18:43.28JustinPincinerator: sorry, not sure. Let me check to see if my Z has something in there
18:43.37incineratorthx
18:43.56TheMaskedUnitJustinP: im using package manager, and i dont know about these upgrade feeds sorry
18:44.49JustinPthen click the "force depends" checkbox
18:47.00TheMaskedUnitok
18:47.34JustinPincinerator: here's what one of mine looks like:
18:47.35JustinPiface wlan0 inet dhcp
18:47.35JustinP<PROTECTED>
18:47.38JustinP<PROTECTED>
18:47.41JustinP<PROTECTED>
18:47.55incineratork, i'll try that, thx
18:49.00TheMaskedUnitall you wep keys are belong to us!
18:49.20TheMaskedUnittanks JustinP.
18:49.29TheMaskedUniterr thanks
18:51.52incineratorJustinP: strangely enough, that doesnt work for me, it doesn not recogise the access point....
18:52.03incineratorwireless_ap doesn't get evaluated...
18:59.45TheMaskedUnitQuestion
19:00.03TheMaskedUnitwhy doesnt OZ have a browser included in the rom?
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19:56.30JustinPincinerator: but iwconfig worked?
19:56.38incineratorno
19:56.47incineratorseems to be a kernel issue i guess
19:57.03incineratori should probably try another driver than hostap or whatever
19:57.51incineratorit worked one time, and then it would never set the ap
19:58.02JustinPhmmm
19:58.09JustinPand you've tried rebooting I imagine?
19:59.44incineratoryup
20:00.02JustinPand removing the card, yadda yadda
20:02.45incineratoraye
20:05.36incineratorcompiling 3.5.4 snapshot now, mebbe that will help
20:09.20JustinPwhich reminds me...
20:09.27JustinPwhoa...recompiling all sorts fo things
20:09.30JustinPperhaps
20:10.20JustinPrenaming tmp so that I don't screw everything up
20:10.27JustinPdamn...wasted all that time
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20:17.17incineratorhmmm, btw. are there any plans to upgrade oe to hostap-drivers 0.3.9?
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20:18.05XorA|gonehomeincinerator: submit a bb and we will
20:18.14incineratoroh, i just read something really interesting in the hostap readme
20:18.34incineratorit seems you have to specify the ap after specifying the ssid
20:18.44XorA|gonehomeincinerator: why do you need to specify ap?
20:18.45incineratorthat would explain why it did not work :-(
20:18.56XorA|gonehomeincinerator: by default it will associate with first AP matching ssid
20:19.03incineratorwell, because i use one, and it did not work without specifying one, either
20:19.06JustinPyou should only need an SSID.....at least I think that's all you need
20:19.17XorA|gonehomeJustinP: correct, unless two people share an SSID
20:19.20incineratorah ok,
20:19.26incineratorseems a roaming specific thing
20:21.53JustinPso does it work now?
20:22.08incineratornope, i tried with cacko but that did not work either
20:22.20incineratorwaiting for the snapshot to finish compiling now
20:22.24XorA|gonehomeincinerator: have you associated with an AP?
20:23.11incineratordid not work
20:23.13incineratorbut yes
20:23.18incineratorbut i tried without ap, too
20:23.32incineratorwell, the image is complete, I'll try the snapshot...
20:23.35XorA|gonehomeincinerator: if you associate but no traffic then your key is almost certaintly wrong, or the mode is wrong
20:23.40JustinP"USB Device not recognized"
20:23.43incineratork
20:23.54incineratorwell, there is traffic, but errors...
20:24.04JustinPI know that with my collie I could reload some modules to fix this but I don't know which ones...
20:24.10JustinPI'm using a C3K
20:24.26XorA|gonehomeJustinP: rmmod pxa_bi; modprobe pxa_bi
20:25.05JustinPpxa27x_bi
20:25.08JustinPthanks, worked
20:25.22XorA|gonehomeah they renamed it again for c3k :-)
20:26.08alan|gotnewjobhey guys : is there a way to play midi files on the Z ?
20:26.50XorA|gonehomealan|gotnewjob: no idea is timidity is in OE
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20:27.30alan|gotnewjobhehe...L i just discovered timidity on mandrake...
20:27.31alan|gotnewjob^^
20:28.02XorA|gonehomealan|gotnewjob: its not, a job for you :-D
20:33.29alan|gotnewjobXorA|gonehome: is there a how-to for this ?
20:33.42alan|gotnewjobi should make a bb file,right ?
20:34.51XorA|gonehomealan|home: only read a .bb file and work it out
20:34.55alan|homechhers JustinP
20:35.08XorA|gonehomealan|home: and maybe some bonus info on the wiki
20:35.18XorA|gonehomealan|home: but I learned the copy/paste way
20:35.22alan|homeXorA|gonehome: ok. i'll do that monday.
20:35.23alan|home^^
20:35.47alan|homeweekend = wife rules = not much pc...
20:35.50alan|home^^'
20:35.52XorA|gonehomealan|home: we make you into developer eventually
20:36.02XorA|gonehomebuy wife new PC
20:36.34alan|homeXorA|gonehome: i've read 35 gigs were needed on hdd. Is that right ?
20:37.58XorA|gonehomealan|home: the machine I use at work is only 10G partition
20:38.22alan|homemmm... ok. then it should be good.
20:38.26XorA|gonehomealan|home: it depends, if all you do is base image+odd apps it doesnt need much, if you build everything then it obviously take a lot more
20:40.10alan|homeXorA|gonehome: my own base image ? wow... i never did any better than ./configure ; make ; make install...
20:40.10alan|homehope that will be enough...
20:40.10XorA|gonehomealan|home: its eaier than that, "bitbake gpe-image"
20:40.10alan|homehouhouhou ^^
20:40.10alan|homed(^^)b
20:40.40XorA|gonehome(.) (.) :-D
20:41.34XorA|gonehomeJustinP: hows your compile?
20:41.59JustinPI'm up to gettext-native now
20:42.14JustinPI moved by tmp dir away so that I don't confuse openzaurus with openzaurus-3.5.4
20:42.36incineratorJustinP: 3.5.4 snapshot works!!!
20:42.41JustinPgpe?
20:42.45incineratoropie
20:42.46JustinPoh, you mena wireless?
20:42.48JustinPmean
20:42.50incineratoryeah
20:42.55JustinPcool
20:43.20XorA|gonehomeJustinP: gettext-native, or just gettext?
20:43.32XorA|gonehomeJustinP: ignore me, Im a moron
20:43.45incineratoronly problem, the taskbar is so damn small :-(((
20:43.56incineratorbut nice big icons now, and screen flicker seems to be much better, too
20:43.56JustinPflex-native now
20:44.24JustinPhmmm....I wonder how hard it will be to upgrade...
20:45.04JustinPI suppose setting up a feed and an ipkg upgrade won't work...
20:45.10JustinPperhaps I should try ;-)
20:45.52XorA|gonehomeJustinP: that'll work
20:46.14XorA|gonehomeJustinP: unless you want to change from opie->gpe then its a reflash
20:46.17JustinPit will? in the past the devs always said to reflash
20:46.28JustinPXorA: no, not even then
20:46.33XorA|gonehomeJustinP: reflash kernel (not initrd) then upgrade
20:46.34JustinPyou can install both at the same time ;-)
20:46.47JustinPI had both working in tandem on my Collie
20:47.00JustinPtrue, opie liked to dim the screen when I was in GPE, but it all worked fine
20:47.13JustinPI plan to try it on my C3000 once I get a GPE compile working
20:47.44XorA|gonehomeJustinP: Im am currently doing a spitz gpe for a laugh
20:48.05JustinPok
20:48.44JustinPI'm also using a seperate pratition for OZ so that I can switch back to the Sharp ROM with a NAND restore
20:48.58XorA|gonehomeJustinP: but Im going to pub soon, so probably be wont be online until monday
20:49.02JustinPnot that I've had to, but the lock ups are getting annoying
20:49.04JustinPok
20:57.41alan|homeXorA|gonehome: where can i have infos to set up my own build machine ?
20:57.41JustinPdoes anything play shoutcast streams?
20:57.41alan|homeJustinP: mplayer ?
20:57.41JustinPalan|home: the wiki
20:57.53alan|homeJustinP: which one ?
20:57.58alan|homeoesf ?
20:57.58JustinPhttp://oe.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/UsersManual
20:58.06alan|homeok. coo. thanks
20:58.39JustinPor maybe not...looks like it's not all done yet
20:59.38JustinPthere used to be a good howto on there...
20:59.43XorA|gonehomealan|home: www.openembedded.org
20:59.45JustinPcheck out the MOnoton stuff for OE
20:59.51JustinPMonotone
21:00.46XorA|gonehomeJustinP: beepmp would if someone fixes the X11 depth problem
21:04.58JustinPwell seeing as I still don't have GPE running...
21:04.58JustinPI'm trying mplayer and it's commecting to the stream but all I hear is pops and some low-key noise
21:04.59JustinPand while I'm on the subject of media...
21:05.00JustinPI installed both opie players and all of the xine libs but neither player will start
21:05.00JustinPquicklauncher starts taking up all of my CPU time
21:05.00JustinPshould I have no installed all of those libs?
21:05.00XorA|gonehomeJustinP: -ao oss -ac mad
21:05.00JustinPXorA|gonehome: thanks, that's working ^_^
21:09.26alan|homepfff... i'm tired for now... but i sure want to help the community building some progs. i'll get on this next week.
21:09.26alan|homegood night all.
21:09.26JustinPnight
21:09.26XorA|gonehomeJustinP: it defaults to the other mp3 decoder, which is too slow
21:09.26JustinP:-)
21:09.27JustinPwhat about the opie players? I've been using xmms but I would like, some time, to be able to use the mythical opie players which have been around forever but rarely worked ;-)
21:09.27XorA|gonehomeJustinP: I think mythical is a good term :-)
21:09.27JustinPhehe
21:09.27XorA|gonehomeJustinP: I heard rumours of an opie player3 somewhere, but basically the opie team dont have the bandwidht
21:09.27XorA|gonehomeJustinP: they are desperate for developers
21:09.28JustinPheh...when opieplayer2 never worked I don't see why there would be a 3..
21:09.28JustinPyeah, I know, everyone desperate for devs
21:09.28JustinPI might try to help with things....if I ever find the time to
21:09.28JustinPand if I get something decent to work on
21:09.31XorA|gonehomeJustinP: I just dont do QT and rarely C++
21:09.44JustinPI can do C++ but I've never done QT, so...
21:09.46XorA|gonehomeJustinP: most of opie is up for grabs, take yopur pick
21:09.50JustinPheh
21:11.21JustinPI've also never done media stuff so....
21:11.21XorA|gonehomeJustinP: nor had I until I started to do mplayer stuff for dxr3
21:11.24XorA|gonehomeJustinP: then I ended up hacking ffmpeg, you pick it up quickly
21:12.04JustinPI mostly do PHP development now....C is another world. I programmed in it in college (a few years ago)
21:12.24JustinPand considered myself pretty good at the time
21:12.29JustinP(also C++)
21:12.40JustinPI liked the course where we wrote a Unix shell ^_^
21:13.37JustinPmy power light on my Z is blinking...
21:13.41JustinPok, now solid...
21:19.10XorA|gonehomeok, time for pub
21:46.45JustinPdamn...glibc still compiling
21:47.17JustinPah, populating
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22:03.46JustinPanyone know what this means and whether I should be worried?
22:03.46JustinPNOTE: Multiple libraries (libm.so.6, libnss_dns.so.2, libnss_files.so.2, libnsl.so.1, libresolv.so.2, libBrokenLocale.so.1, libc.so.6, libutil.so.1, libnss_compat.so.2, libcrypt.so.1, libmemusage.so, librt.so.1, libanl.so.1, libdl.so.2, libpthread.so.0) found and LEAD_SONAME not defined
22:03.52JustinPNOTE: Multiple libraries (libnss_nis.so.2, libnss_nisplus.so.2, libnss_hesiod.so.2) found and LEAD_SONAME not defined
22:03.55JustinPPackaged contents of locale-base-ar-kw-iso-8859-6 into /home/papercrane/oe/build/tmp/deploy/ipk/locale-base-ar-kw-iso-8859-6_2.3.5+cvs20050627-r0_armv5te.ipk
22:03.58JustinPoops, forget that last line
22:18.39JustinPmickeyl told me not to worry about it
22:44.08JustinPyay, busybox
22:46.46incineratorhas anybody tried to compile meta opie with a oz-3.5.4/7x0 config lately?
22:46.51JustinPawesome, wpa_supplicant works on resume
22:46.59JustinPmeta opie?
22:47.11incineratoryup, bitbake meta-opie
22:47.25JustinPC3K for me, so....no
22:47.50incineratorwell, i get strange linking failures, lots of unresolved symbols, seems it is related to aticore
22:47.57incineratorcan't figure out what to do
22:48.04JustinPhmmm
22:48.27incineratorfirst bb that fails for me is zroadmap
22:48.44incineratorcommented that one out, then libsdl-mixer failed
22:48.55JustinPis meta-opie *all* of the opie packages?
22:49.07incineratorlots of undefined references when linking
22:49.18incineratori guess everything that could run on opie, yes
22:49.30JustinPhave you tried nuking tmp? (renaming)
22:49.45JustinPI remember this being the normal thing to fix anything in the past
22:50.04incineratorhmmm, seems a couple of patches are coming in at the monotone rep
22:50.12incineratori'll check them out...
22:50.54JustinPcoming in?
22:51.00incineratorarg, all in the dreambox branch
22:51.18incineratoryup, CIA automatically sends messages to the oe irc channel when patches come in
22:51.38incineratorwell, anyways
22:51.47JustinPlooks like it's all moving from .dev to .dreambox
22:52.08incineratorwhat is this dreambox anyway? new distro?
22:52.26JustinPno idea
22:53.26incineratorwell, here's what happens. zroadmap seems to link against libqpe.so.1, that is in the staging dir
22:53.39incineratorand then you'll get lots of undifined references
22:53.49JustinPhmmm
22:54.16incineratorapart from that, the 3.5.4 opie-image i built seems to run nicely :-)
22:54.35JustinPhehe
22:54.38incineratorwifi works, just tried 128bit wep, works like a charm
22:54.45JustinPI'm up to modutils now..just finished the kernel
22:54.48incineratortomorrow wpa or so *ggg*
22:55.02incineratorwell, i had to hack in two patches
22:55.09JustinPto what?
22:55.12incineratorone for hotplug
22:55.20incineratorfiled a bug report for that one
22:55.21JustinPis something wrong with it?
22:55.25JustinPhmmm
22:55.31incineratorhotplug Makefile assumes install is in /usr/bin/install
22:55.38JustinPI see
22:55.42incineratorboned if it is in /bin/install, like in my system
22:56.49incineratorarg, what was the other one
22:56.53incineratorwas an error in the code
22:56.59incineratorprobably cvs hickup or so
22:57.07JustinPthe hotplug one won't affect me but it's a good catch
22:57.36JustinPcouldn't you just send a monotone pacth upstream or something?
22:57.51JustinPcheck it in locally and create a patch maybe?
22:58.18incineratorcould do
22:58.31incineratori just hacked the makefile, though
22:58.38incineratorwould break for everybody else i guess
22:58.50incineratordarn, i cannot remember what the other one was
23:02.36JustinPshould probably be a patch added that is applied to the source....or to the source after configure (in the bb file)
23:02.51JustinPor perhaps it's a configure option or something
23:03.16incineratorhotplug doesn't do autoconf
23:03.57JustinPthen you just need a pacth applied to the source then
23:04.06JustinPthat's simple to do
23:05.32incineratorMakefile, to be precises
23:05.48JustinPwell, if it's in the tarball that's what I mean bu source ;-)
23:06.00incineratorin the hotplug Makefile there is an INSTALL variable
23:06.06incineratorthat explicitly sets a path
23:06.16incineratorone could try to remove the path completeley
23:06.56JustinPwhich should work, after all
23:09.46JustinPthere went hotplug ;-)
23:19.18incineratorhmm, the other patch is gone, the problem probably got fixed upstream already
23:20.30incineratorwell, anyways, that problem with all these undefined references is a wee bit worrying
23:23.05incineratori think I'll be off to bed soon
23:23.12JustinPsleep well
23:27.14incineratorbtw, if you could post your WPA story as a howto somewhere, that'd be swell ;-)
23:27.41JustinPeh...not much of a howto...
23:27.42JustinPone sec
23:27.46incineratork
23:28.01JustinPmostly I just have my conf file
23:28.32JustinPhttp://pastebin.com/309734
23:28.37JustinPI looked online for references
23:29.00incineratorcool, thx
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23:29.18incineratoryou probably should change the passwds now *ggg*
23:29.20JustinPI also didn't set up the AP, so...
23:29.22JustinPyeah, I did
23:29.31JustinPoops
23:29.33incineratorhehe
23:29.35JustinPleft the old one...argh
23:29.36JustinPhttp://pastebin.com/309736
23:29.42JustinPdamn it, I'm usually really good about that
23:42.40JustinPyay, xserver-kdriev compiled :-)
23:42.44JustinPkdrive
23:42.50incineratorcool
23:43.00incineratorwell, now i'll really be off, cya
23:49.00JustinPanyone know if any key provides "alt" in opie?
23:50.44JustinPit looks like "Fn" is mapped to Alt on the command-line perhaps...
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