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01:27.30mannexanyone here running OZ 3.5.3 with Linksys WCF12?
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04:59.09Marsupilami23Is there a IPK for opie-mail3 yet?
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09:24.47alanhi !
09:30.17XorAalan: yo
09:31.06alanyo XorA
09:31.39alanmy wifi installation is not perfectly stable... ndiswrapper makes my pc freeze...
09:32.56alani couldn't check my OE system yesterday cause during too long downloads (ie more than 5 minutes) i froze.
09:33.02XorAalan: oh, you didnt get linux friendly card
09:33.40alani updated this morning, everything seems ok. i use a usb wifi dongle that was given with my modem...
09:34.00XorAalan: oh, prism2/3 usb dongles are quite easy to come by though
09:34.05XorAalan: what chipset in your one
09:34.21alangood question...
09:34.46alanlet me check
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13:58.12NoRemorsehello, I am trying to upgrade to OZ 3.5.3 and after 3 mins or so both my lights go off, I press reset and reboot but my old OZ 3.3.5 is still there any ideas please?
14:02.12NoRemorseare both lights supposed to go off or just green?
14:02.37XorANoRemorse: thats normally a misnamed zImage or initrd.bin file or the files did not copy full length to CF card
14:03.18NoRemorseahh could be a short initrd.bin actually... downloads keep dropping out
14:04.48XorANoRemorse: best bet is to check the md5 values
14:05.47NoRemorseok ty
14:09.13NoRemorsedamn md5 checks out
14:09.48NoRemorseshould it be zImage uppercase second letter I and initrd.bin all lower case?
14:11.52jdimssure
14:12.32NoRemorsewonder whats wrong.. might try 3.5.2 images
14:15.07XorANoRemorse: I think thats right, but I sold my 5500 a year back
14:15.55NoRemorsedocos say that "once the green light" goes out...
14:18.33XorANoRemorse: me memory isnt that good
14:21.14NoRemorsenp
14:21.41NoRemorseformatted the cf, gonna try again with a diff cf and then try 3.5.2
14:59.51NoRemorsethat failed also
15:05.21NoRemorsetime for the trash I think
15:08.47NoRemorsetrying to format the cf cards with ext2 getting heaps of errors, but the cards work fine on other systems?
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17:23.07JustinPwhat package installs stdlib.h?
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17:57.46philipI just had a flash go wrong, I'm about to try again, but the charging light does not come on when I plug the cable in (it did before the flash). Any ideas?
17:58.52alanwhat model ?
17:59.06philip5500
17:59.21alanmmm... i guess a new flash should mclean all this.
17:59.29philipI'm hoping so
17:59.43alantell me if it doesn't.
18:00.09philipas it happens it was the TT 2.1.2 rom, so I'm switching back to the opie one, but that shouldn't have mattered. Could be the card, so I'll find out
18:01.26philipactually, I don't think I've had a sucessful flash from this card but my others are missing at the moment
18:03.35alana cf fat formatted card ?
18:06.50philipI think actually the power supply might have been at fault
18:10.12philipin 2 years I've used my Z so little, I almost bough a palm Zire for 20gpb today just because with decent battery life and good linux syncing I might use it more. But then I decided to give my Z another go.
18:11.02subdue"so little"
18:11.35philip?
18:12.12subduewhat's "so little"
18:12.19philip"so little" is a perfectly reasonable expression in English
18:12.22subdueno apps?
18:12.26subduenot working?
18:12.32subdueno interest?
18:12.39philipwhere are you from?
18:12.43subduenot enough things that work on it?
18:12.58philipnot enough battery life
18:13.12philipand to fiddly to get the things working I want
18:13.15subduemy question is not so much as to the expression, but more of it's not specific to give me an idea as to your objection
18:13.28subduewhich z?
18:13.38philip"so little" meant in 2 years I've used in infrequently
18:13.41philip5500
18:13.51subdueok
18:13.58subduethere's a number of alternatives for you there
18:14.03philipI used to want to use it to sync with 2 desktops and a mobile
18:14.19philipbut now I'd be happy with it just syncing to my laptop, so perhaps I'll get more out of it
18:14.20subduedesktop. which os?
18:14.25subdueor laptop?
18:14.49philiplinux of course
18:14.52subduehttp://www.oesf.org/index.php?title=Zaurus_How-To_Docs#Zaurus_SL-5x00_Series_How-Tos
18:15.15subduerom choices, synching info, etc there as a start
18:15.29subduehttp://www.oesf.org/forums/ as another start
18:15.34philipI know all that
18:15.39philipdoesn't help
18:15.46subdueshrug. ok
18:15.59philipi even spent time adding apps to OE
18:16.10philipbut I never have time to use them
18:16.22subdueok
18:17.39alanphilip: i have a Zaurus AND a Zire, both are great, but Zire can do nothing but pim.
18:17.40philipI was going to have a look at the TT rom, see what they've done but it won't flash, so I'll check out opie instead
18:17.57philipalan, can it connect to a mobile phone?
18:18.03philipthe zire I mean
18:18.33alanmmmm... i never tried... i don't know...
18:18.52alanbut i don't think so...
18:18.57subdueprobably not
18:19.10philipit's got good battery life though?
18:19.14subdueor if it can, it'd be on palmone
18:19.17alan3 weeks...
18:19.31subduealan: with no recharge?
18:19.48alanyeah...
18:19.48subduethat's amazing
18:19.53alanyeah...
18:20.20alanit has no backlight, 2mo of memory, a 16mhz processor...
18:20.33subdueah
18:20.38philipthat's the one I looked at on ebay, the new zire are ARM based
18:20.44subduewell, turning off the z backlight will help
18:20.52philipit doesn't do much
18:21.13philipwhen I say "so little" - I've spent months getting it to do things, just never got any practical use out of it
18:21.28alansubdue: maybe, but the black and white Zire screen is made not to need backlight...
18:21.38alanphilip: ever tried OPIE before ?
18:21.43philipyes
18:21.48alan3.5.3 ?
18:21.48philipsince OZ 3
18:22.00philipno, 3.5.2 and a bit was the last
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18:22.46alanok. then try 3.5.3 (3.5.4 should soon be out). you'll find lots of improvements.
18:24.09philipmaybe
18:24.43JustinPGPE is also nice but has less apps
18:24.48alanphilip: but please do read http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=13576 before flashing. that will help.
18:25.12philipwhy has it changed since the last 100 or so times I've flashed opie onto my Z?
18:25.35philipoh, yeah, I got the newer kernel
18:26.22philipdo you know if they've fixed the bug in libobex that meant beaming looked for everything in /
18:27.35philipthe main problem with OZ is it lives in a world where there are too many manufacturers writing propriety code and crappy protocols. Compared with mainstream linux I think OZ has a far harder time.
18:28.37philipand not just sharp. you try writing a sync application that can talk to all mobile phones
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19:19.15philipany idea what the fastest rate you could record audio from a microphone attached to a 5500. Would it be possible to exceed 44.1khz or it this hardware limited
19:22.34Luke-JrJustinP: um... GPE has more apps than Opie ever will...
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19:55.58XorA|gonealan: dude, I fixed abiword
19:57.15JustinPphilip: I doubt the hardware can do any more than 44.1Khz.
19:57.47JustinPLuke-Jr: well if you mean X apps, then yes GPE has far more. I meant more in the realm of compiled and working apps. At least in OZ Opie seems to have many more.
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20:29.29alanXorA|gone: how this fixed ?
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20:29.54markt_hullo all
20:30.07markt_i just thought i'd share my experiences with the new collie kernel
20:30.13alanXorA|gone: i'm gone to the fireworks. Catch you here later.
20:30.29markt_and perhaps somebody who's subscribed to the mailing list can pass it on
20:30.45markt_i did get it booting in the end
20:31.05markt_steps were: (1) flash with oz3.5.3
20:31.35markt_(2) remove task-bootstrap and kernel modules
20:31.48markt_s/kernel modules/kernel module packages/
20:32.01markt_(3) flash with new collie kernel
20:32.08markt_(4) she boots! woo!
20:32.20alanmarkt_: you should really post this to http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=13576
20:32.21markt_unfotunately, then i plugged in my wlan card
20:32.31markt_ah, ok, i shall make a note of that
20:32.41XorA|gonemarkt_: so basically the kernel modules are not compatible with new kernel?
20:32.47markt_plugging in the wlan causes an oops, and crashes the pcmcia stack
20:32.52alanXorA|gone: still here dude ?
20:33.04markt_in a "no more cardmgr for you!" way
20:33.06XorA|gonealan: remove bitstream--vera fonts
20:33.20alanmmm... why this ?
20:33.25XorA|gonealan: install dejavu fonts, they are the same as vera, but abiword no longer segfaults
20:33.36alanok ! great !
20:34.00markt_XorA|gone: yes, i think some/one of the kernel modules aren't compatible
20:34.07XorA|gonealan: what fireworks?
20:34.22markt_if i had more time i'd try and zero in on which one
20:34.23alanXorA|gone: it's nationnal day here in france.
20:34.40XorA|gonealan: lucky you, I dont get enough fireworks
20:34.51XorA|gonealan: only 45 mins at end of august
20:34.51markt_i'm guessing one of them causes a nasty oops
20:35.07alanXorA|gone: ^^
20:35.09XorA|gonemarkt_: sounds like it, would be good to find which one
20:35.50markt_yeah, i'll have a fiddle when i don't need my Z quite as much
20:36.22XorA|gonemarkt_: well at least youve given me info I can pass on
20:36.32markt_even if it doesn't work with host_ap fsr, at least it doesn't crash on standby etc. etc.
20:37.04markt_so, progress at least! :-)
20:38.07markt_i'm back on my nice stable oz3.2 now ;)
20:38.18markt_s/nice// ;-)
20:38.35XorA|gonemarkt_: wow thats a long time ago
20:38.42XorA|gonemarkt_: my most stable collie was 3.3.6
20:38.55markt_i don't think i ever got round to trying 3.3
20:39.03markt_and then it all disappeared :)
20:39.35XorA|gonemarkt_: problem is a lot of people like me sold 5500's to get fancier models
20:39.47XorA|gonemarkt_: at least you dont have a 5600
20:39.50markt_yeah, well that's fair enough! :-)
20:40.05markt_they're a bit tricky then?
20:40.19markt_or just rare?
20:41.25markt_this is over 2 years now... probably about time i upgraded anyway! :-)
20:42.13XorA|gonemarkt_: not a single OZ developer has a 5600, hence why no work on kernel :-)
20:42.25markt_n'ya-ha!
20:42.55XorA|gonecollie is an old favourite though, and with next release and the apm fixed kernel it should be quite sweet
20:43.13markt_yeah, i'm looking forward to it!
20:44.26markt_it's a good little runner :)
20:49.33XorA|goneljp: well volunteered :-)
20:54.05ljpnaa. I got too much other stuff to do, and am happy with a perfectly running kernel.
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21:17.08zachAnybody here?
21:17.42JustinPthere usually are.....
21:17.50zachIs it possible to flash to OZ from a Sandisk Wifi + 128MB CF card?
21:18.30subdueprobably. a cf card is a cf card
21:18.35subdueinsert it and see if it shows up
21:18.43zachI got the card showing up under the sharp rom, but I want to use OZ instead
21:18.52subduedoesnt matter then
21:18.53zachIt required extra settings to show up
21:19.09subdueif it shows up in the sharp, then you can already flash it I'd think
21:19.23subduewait
21:19.25zachDoes that make a difference? I had to edit some config settings in /etc/pcmcia
21:19.41subduewhen you say "show up" do you mean the wifi part or the cf 128M part?
21:19.52zach128M part
21:20.02zachWifi doesn't work w/ sharp rom
21:20.13JustinPyou can try but I doubt that the flashing software will find the memory...
21:20.59zachSo I need to buy a cheap CF card to flash with, and then switch over to the sandisk for normal usage?
21:21.00subduethat might be a problem then
21:21.05subdueesp if it couldnt see the cf part
21:21.25subduethat assumes oz can even see it
21:21.36zachIt sees it now, but I had to change some pcmcia settings
21:21.47zachOZ can use the Wifi & CF
21:22.25JustinPdoesn't matter of OZ can see it. It matters if the Sharp flashing image can see it
21:22.34zachdang
21:22.55zachI couldn't get it to work earlier, but I figured I just had fat fingers =)
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21:28.41zachIf I try to flash, and it doesn't work (IE: Only the orange light comes on), does that mean it didn't work?
21:28.54zachWait... I phrased that wrong...
21:29.27zachIf only the orange light comes on when I hit the keys, does it mean it's not going to work?
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22:03.46alan|fireworkswhat the hell happened here ? why so much deco/reconnections ?
22:05.00jdh41netsspliut
22:05.05jdh41sorry, menat to say
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22:05.44alan|fireworksmm...
22:06.00alan|fireworkswell, time to sleep here for me;
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22:06.22alan|fireworksI build my first oz image tomorrow.
22:06.30alan|fireworksbye all
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22:08.42PhantCould someone point me to a guide of how to install a browser on my Z 5500 running OZ 3.5.3 Opie
22:09.00Phanti have very little experiance with linux
22:09.24JustinPinstall konqueror-embedded
22:09.42JustinPbut you probably want to install it to an SD card, the 5500 has limited built in memory
22:09.58Phanttrying to, just not quit sure how to do it, i have the install file on CF right now
22:10.10JustinPok
22:10.16Phantthe file i have is: konqueror-embedded_20030705-r3_arm.ipk
22:10.16JustinPdo you have an SD card as well?
22:10.19Phantyup
22:10.28JustinPdo you have it set up to install things to?
22:10.42Phantwhat do you mean exactly?
22:10.45JustinP(i.e. do you plan to use it with things other than your Zaurus)
22:10.55Phantoh, no
22:11.01JustinPto install something to a card it should be formatted with the ext2 filesystem
22:11.12Phantok, how do i do that?
22:13.33JustinPhmmm....I'm not sure if there's a utulity for this
22:13.40JustinPdo you have anything on the card you want to keep?
22:14.03Phantnope
22:14.44JustinPok
22:14.53JustinPfirst you'll need to install the e2fstools
22:15.03Phantok
22:15.41JustinPIn http://openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.3/feed/base/
22:16.19JustinPyou want e2fsprogs-mke2fs, e2fsprogs-fsck, e2fsprogs-e2fsck, and e2fsprogs-libs
22:16.33Phantok
22:16.58JustinPI suggest installing them with the command-line ipkg
22:18.20Phantok, that just shows how little i know, what do you mean by that?
22:20.22TheMaskedUnitsomeone should point out that your risking damaging your sd card for good.
22:20.37Phant?
22:21.59Phanthow so, and what should i do instead to get a browser going?
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22:22.58TheMaskedUniti dont have much experience with OpenZ when i did try installing Konq/E it segfaulted on me all the time.
22:23.18JustinP<PROTECTED>
22:23.18TheMaskedUnitthats why im running the sharp rom right now
22:23.23JustinPand it worked on my 5500 as well
22:23.53JustinPPhant: open up a terminal. There should be a "Terminal" or "Console" icon somewhere
22:24.18JustinPPhant: do you have any networking set up on your Zaurus?
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22:26.41Phanti have i wireless card
22:26.52JustinPdo you have it working?
22:27.03Phantyeah, it will connect to my AP
22:27.06JustinPit would be easier to install these packages via the feed (over the internet)
22:27.21Phantok, how do i do that?
22:33.29Phant?
22:37.16TheMaskedUnitblarg
22:37.30TheMaskedUnithave your zaurus connected with your wireless card
22:37.51Phantok, it is already
22:38.04TheMaskedUnitgo into package manager i think, tap File, update sources (i think)
22:38.26JustinPPhant: did you find your terminal/console?
22:38.31TheMaskedUnitit will update packages from the feed, then give you the option to install a ton of packages in package manager
22:39.21Phantok, so am i doing this thru package manager or console?
22:39.30TheMaskedUnitif it doesnt Seg Fault on ya, your lucky :)
22:39.31JustinPalthough the package manager has issues, which is why I suggested command-line
22:39.36JustinPsue console
22:39.38JustinPuse
22:39.59Phantok, console is open
22:40.05JustinPok
22:40.18JustinPtype "whoami" and press enter
22:40.24JustinPlet's see if your "zaurus" or "root"
22:40.30Phantroot
22:40.37JustinPok, good
22:40.41JustinPtype "ipkg update"
22:40.49JustinPhit enter and watch the feeds download
22:41.07Phantok, d/ling
22:41.18JustinPgood
22:41.26JustinPonce that's done type "ipkg install e2fsprogs"
22:41.47Phant"an error ocurred, return value: 6."
22:42.36TheMaskedUnityou gotta love OZ :)
22:43.06Phanttried it again, same thing
22:43.26JustinPis it an error when it's updating the opie feed? or upgrades?
22:44.18Phanthow do i tell?
22:46.20JustinPlook at the output and find where it says there was an error
22:47.20Phantit says d/l and inflating the same thing: Packages.gz and then that error msg
22:47.29JustinPfor which one?
22:49.13Phant"Downloading http://openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.3/upgrades//Packages.gz"
22:49.51Phantsaysing that followed by Inflating same location 6 times than that error msg
22:50.09Phantthat is what appears on the screen after doing 'ipkg update'
22:51.47JustinPwhich version fo OZ do you have again?
22:51.55Phantwhen i do that in package manager it does the same thing
22:52.13Phant3.5.3
22:52.19TheMaskedUnittry using pack manager worked for me then try cmd line install konq
22:53.01TheMaskedUnitstrange
22:53.19JustinPTheMaskedUnit: no, don't use the package manager
22:53.29JustinPPhant: you need to edit the /etc/ipkg.conf file
22:53.46JustinPoh wait
22:53.48JustinPno you don't
22:53.51JustinPnm
22:53.57JustinPlet's just try to install e2fsprogs
22:54.07JustinP"ipkg install e2fsprogs"
22:54.44Phantsays it cant find the package
22:54.57JustinPok
22:55.14JustinPyou need to add a feed
22:55.20JustinPyou can use the package manager if you want to
22:55.28JustinPalthough I don't remember how it's done...
22:55.41JustinPor you can use console
22:56.02Phanthow do i do it with console?
22:56.52JustinPvi /etc/ipkg.conf
22:57.02JustinPgo to the bottom and press "o"
22:57.05JustinPadd:
22:57.16JustinPsrc/gz base http://openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.3/feed/base/
22:58.12JustinPthen press "Cancel" then type "ZZ"
22:58.21JustinPI mean the cancel button on the bottom of your Zaurus
22:58.43JustinPwhen you're done and back to the command-line do "ipkg update" again
23:00.04Phantok, i was trying to do that, and it turned off on my
23:00.08Phant*me
23:00.12Phantjust a sec
23:02.14Phantok, i was doing it again, and i noticed that that line is already in there
23:02.33Phantdo i still add it to the bottom?
23:04.21JustinPno, it should be ok...
23:04.23JustinPhmmm
23:04.26JustinPtype "df"
23:04.31JustinPdo you have any free space?
23:05.01JustinPor you can check the systeminfo applet
23:12.25Phantfree on which
23:12.52JustinProot I think
23:13.10JustinPanyone in here know which package provides "xev"?
23:14.42Phantfree space = 33932 kb
23:15.24JustinPok
23:15.40JustinPdo any of them have nothing free?
23:15.55Phantyes
23:16.05Phantinternal storage is full
23:16.17Phanthas 36kb free
23:16.25JustinPok, that's probably the problem then
23:16.31JustinPdid you install other things?
23:16.35Phantso how do i fix it?
23:17.28Phanttried installing wellenrieter
23:17.38Phantbut that didnt go so well either
23:18.14JustinPok...well you probably want to uninstall some stuff since you're out of space
23:18.28Phanthow do i untinstall?
23:18.30JustinPyou can use the graphical package manager or command-line, as usual..
23:18.42JustinPon the console yo can do "ipkg list_installed"
23:18.47JustinPthen "ipkg remove packageName"
23:20.22Phantshould i just reflash it?
23:20.51Phantseems to me that would be a lot easier getting it cleaned up from the mess i created
23:22.22JustinPyes
23:22.33JustinPif you have nothing which you need to keep a reflash would be easier probably
23:23.16Phantwhich zimage should i use, 32-32?
23:24.13JustinPno
23:24.18JustinPwell...
23:24.28JustinPI personally see no reason to use anything other than 64-0
23:24.42JustinPas long as you have an SD card to install stuff to
23:26.28Phantas of right now, i only have a 64mb SD card until next payday, is that enough for right now?
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23:27.16Phantand since i'm doing this again, should i go with OPIE or GPE?
23:28.03mannexRunning OpenZaurus v3.5.3 on a Zaurus SL-C860.... I am trying to get a Linksys WCF12 WiFi working but it's not autodetecting!!
23:29.08JustinPPhant: 64 should be ok
23:29.16JustinPPhant: I used a 256 with no problems with space
23:29.36JustinPPhant: Whichever you like. GPE is pretty different, thuogh. I suggest staying with Opie for now
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23:33.19PhantJustinP: flashing with 64-0 and Opie
23:35.15mannexhm
23:35.18mannexalright then
23:35.28mannexAnyone here use a WCF12?
23:39.00JustinPI used to
23:39.56mannexI'm trying to find information regarding compatiable with it on OpenZaurus 3.5.3
23:40.41mannexI am coming up empty! All the information I come across claims the drivers for this specific card are built in OpenZaurus because of it's "popularity"
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23:42.09Phant84damn, that sucked
23:42.23Phant84ok, anyway, it finished the ipkg update
23:44.08Phant84JustinP: so what was the next step?
23:44.37JustinPPhant84: plug in your wireless card and get it working
23:44.49Phant84it already is,
23:44.56JustinPphant84: then open a console and do "ipkg update" and "ipkg install e2fsprogs"
23:45.08JustinPmannex: It should work with OZ. Does the light come on at all?
23:46.45Phant84ok, finished installing it
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23:47.10JustinPPhant84: ok not plug in your SD card
23:47.13JustinPnot=now
23:47.29Phant84ok, next
23:47.58JustinPclick the card manager applet and tell it to unmount the SD card but don't actually eject it from your Z
23:48.42Phant84card manager?
23:49.31JustinPnever mind
23:49.40JustinPdo "umount /media/sd"
23:51.06Phant84dammit, i think my sd card is fried
23:51.36JustinPwhy?
23:51.41Phant84its not finding it when i do that command, and when i go to file manager, its not finding it either
23:51.58subduedoesnt mean it's fried
23:52.12JustinP"umount /media/card"
23:52.14JustinPsorry
23:52.16subduethe card may be locked, but not fried
23:52.27subduehaha, then there's that too
23:52.29subduewrong command!
23:54.21Phant84ok, done
23:56.01JustinP"mke2fs /dev/mmcda1"
23:56.06JustinPthat will format the card
23:57.21Phant84ok, that finished
23:57.32JustinPok, now mount /media/card
23:57.38JustinP"mount /media/card"
23:58.48Phant84"mount: Mounting /dev/mmcda1 on /media/card failed: invalid argument
23:58.50Phant84"

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