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| 07:52.10 | alan_ | good mornig good mooooorning ! it's greaaat to stay up late ! good morning, good morning to youuuu ! (known song... is it ?) |
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| 08:09.27 | sandman | Anyone alive? |
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| 08:19.53 | alan_ | mr sandman ! lend me a dream !! :p |
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| 08:39.31 | sandman | Can you port most things to a zaurus? |
| 08:40.09 | alan_ | sandman: depnds "you" means people in general or just me ? |
| 08:40.43 | sandman | On a zaurus, could I download the source to mplayer, compile it and install it, and use it? |
| 08:41.23 | alan_ | just a bit more difficult than this. |
| 08:41.58 | sandman | How tough would it be to make a gentoo chroot (using ARM, of course) |
| 08:42.22 | alan_ | OZ is based on Openembedded, which provides a good cross compilation tool called bitbake. |
| 08:43.28 | alan_ | bitbakes works with some bb files, which declare where the sources are, what dependencies are required, how to compile for an arm proc, etc, etc... |
| 08:44.11 | sandman | But couldn't I still make a gentoo chroot and use it? |
| 08:44.36 | alan_ | sandman: that's a good question... |
| 08:45.12 | alan_ | i guess you could do this, but i don't know how. i'm still a beginner in all this... |
| 08:45.31 | alan_ | sandman: did you search the forum ? |
| 08:48.03 | alan_ | but for mplayer, believe me, the best one was compiled by XorA. you'll find it here : http://hyboria.mine.nu/~dp/feed/ (it's for GPE only, btw) |
| 08:48.49 | alan_ | (unless he also compiled a nox-nosdl version...) |
| 08:51.07 | sandman | I just want a functional linux box in my pocket :) |
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| 09:05.56 | alan|shower | sandman: mmm... either pdaxrom or OZ GPE would be perfect for you. i recommand OZ GPE if you want to port easilly the progs you want. Porting progs to pdaxrom is quite difficult. |
| 09:06.36 | alan|shower | sandman: take a look at openembedded.org. |
| 09:06.58 | alan|shower | i just made my own GPE image, and i'm really not a linux pro ! |
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| 09:34.41 | florolf | hello |
| 09:35.13 | florolf | is it possible to install openzaurus on a sl-5500g with an sd-card instead of an cf-card? |
| 09:43.10 | alan | nope... |
| 09:48.20 | florolf | hurm. |
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| 15:08.39 | sandman | I've got a problem. |
| 15:08.50 | sandman | I can't figure out how to buy any zaurus products |
| 15:08.54 | sandman | Particularly the SL-6000 |
| 15:09.18 | sandman | Sharp must not want their customers to buy their products, because nowhere on their site do they have any links whatsoever about buying the sl6000 |
| 15:09.35 | sandman | And their 1800besharp phone line is completely useless. It's not even run by sharp |
| 15:09.40 | sandman | But yet they link to it |
| 15:09.52 | sandman | sharpplace.com doesn't even have the pdas on it, only accessories |
| 15:10.04 | sandman | store.sharpsystems.com is also useless |
| 15:10.25 | sandman | And the 5 other official sharp sites (wtf? Is Sharp trying to fizzle out?) |
| 15:10.34 | sandman | Aren't completely and totally unhelpful |
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| 15:30.56 | adam-lsd | I've got a question regarding USBnet on OpenZaurus 3.5.3: The usbnet drivers in the 2.6.11 kernel for open zaurus seem to use some kind of new way of identifying themselves. My macintosh (With the AJZaurus usbnet driver), does not see the device properly. I know that kernel 2.6 does things on USBnet differently but I'm unsure what. I'm hacking with the driver source to make a solution, but I need some help to be pointed in the rig |
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| 15:33.31 | adam-lsd | So the question is: What's different in the protocol for usbnet used by OZ 3.5.3 and OZ 3.5.1 (The difference between usbnet in 2.4 and 2.6) |
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| 15:35.40 | congrio | i am trying to install apache-php in my z but when ./httpd always say Segmentation fault |
| 15:35.43 | congrio | what can i do? |
| 15:36.10 | synth | install strace and use that to see where it dies |
| 15:36.20 | synth | and i'm spent! *phew* |
| 15:39.07 | congrio | synth, puff strace say a lot of things!! (excuse my very bad english) |
| 15:42.20 | synth | it will of course, but the last thing it says before the seg fault is the important part |
| 15:42.22 | synth | those are system calls |
| 15:42.35 | synth | it should help lead you in a direction |
| 15:42.44 | synth | gotta read a LOT though and guess :) if you dont know /what/ to look for |
| 15:43.07 | congrio | open("/lib/ld-linux.so.2", O_RDONLY) = 5 |
| 15:43.08 | congrio | read(5, "\177ELF\1\1\1a\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\3\0(\0\1\0\0\0@\n\0\000"..., 1024) = 1024 |
| 15:43.08 | congrio | fstat64(5, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0755, st_size=89008, ...}) = 0 |
| 15:43.08 | congrio | old_mmap(NULL, 120184, PROT_READ|PROT_EXEC, MAP_PRIVATE, 5, 0) = 0x4013b000 |
| 15:43.08 | congrio | mprotect(0x40150000, 34168, PROT_NONE) = 0 |
| 15:43.08 | congrio | old_mmap(0x40153000, 24576, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED, 5, 0x10000) = 0x40153000 |
| 15:43.10 | congrio | close(5) = 0 |
| 15:43.12 | congrio | mprotect(0x4013b000, 86016, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE) = 0 |
| 15:43.14 | congrio | mprotect(0x4013b000, 86016, PROT_READ|PROT_EXEC) = 0 |
| 15:43.16 | congrio | mprotect(0x4002f000, 1040384, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE) = 0 |
| 15:43.18 | congrio | --- SIGSEGV (Segmentation fault) @ 0 (0) --- |
| 15:43.22 | congrio | +++ killed by SIGSEGV +++ |
| 15:43.24 | congrio | ammm ok |
| 15:43.26 | congrio | thx. |
| 15:43.28 | congrio | where can i download the correct version for apache-php for 3.5.3 on my sl6000?? |
| 15:43.42 | synth | it looks like it fails on an mmap, trying to allocate some memory space. but that could be normal behavior, like a page fault |
| 15:43.48 | synth | so i cant say how/why that would crash it |
| 15:43.50 | adam-lsd | congrio: Do you have your httpd compiled for that particular kernel? |
| 15:44.00 | synth | everything else = 0, so that means success |
| 15:44.12 | adam-lsd | synth: It sounds, based upon the last file opened, and what it reads, that it's trying to attach a linked library. |
| 15:44.34 | synth | adam-lsd: ahh so it fails mmap'ing that file? |
| 15:44.40 | adam-lsd | synth: Looks like it. |
| 15:44.43 | synth | gotcha. |
| 15:44.49 | adam-lsd | synth: See the open, and then the other file calls? |
| 15:44.57 | synth | yeah i didnt notice before. now its clear |
| 15:45.04 | synth | tiny irc window :D |
| 15:45.07 | synth | lots of scroll heh |
| 15:45.07 | adam-lsd | synth: Then it's mapping, probably from that file handle (Would need to trace addresses, but that's what it sounds like.) |
| 15:45.11 | adam-lsd | Heh. |
| 15:45.24 | congrio | adam-lsd, i dont know, always use the same ipk but now dont work |
| 15:45.30 | adam-lsd | Anyhow, it sounds like his httpd is compiled for a different set of libs than his kernel. |
| 15:45.48 | congrio | i have a clean install of 3.5.3 |
| 15:45.53 | adam-lsd | congrio: on 3.5.1 and 3.5.2 did it work? |
| 15:46.04 | adam-lsd | congrio: Because it sounds like it's compiled against the wrong ld-linux.2.so |
| 15:46.08 | congrio | mmm only have 3.5.3 |
| 15:46.20 | congrio | where can then download the corerct? |
| 15:46.40 | adam-lsd | congrio: Which makes a slight amount of sense since 3.5.3 on most devices is going to 2.6 (Which is why I came into this channel in the first place...) |
| 15:46.43 | adam-lsd | congrio: I wouldn't know. |
| 15:47.11 | congrio | this is my kernel: 2.4.18-rmk7-pxa3-embedix |
| 15:47.23 | adam-lsd | congrio: Hm. |
| 15:47.32 | congrio | and alwais use this apache: http://www.choup.net/spip/accueil.php3?id_rubrique=12 |
| 15:47.41 | congrio | but today, none of this works |
| 15:47.42 | congrio | :( |
| 15:48.09 | adam-lsd | congrio: Has it worked on this OZ version in the past? |
| 15:48.28 | congrio | yes |
| 15:48.37 | congrio | but i need to reflash my z |
| 15:48.40 | adam-lsd | congrio: My french is rusty... Which link on the page is right for OZ? |
| 15:48.47 | congrio | now, all others soft works, but apache no |
| 15:48.56 | adam-lsd | congrio: Hm. |
| 15:54.03 | adam-lsd | congrio: You might try compiling the software you're after, on the Z, using some kind of network store to keep data on. |
| 16:00.09 | congrio | adam-lsd, this is very complicated to my... i think... |
| 16:01.14 | adam-lsd | congrio: Have you compiled software packages on linux before? |
| 16:01.20 | congrio | yes |
| 16:06.29 | adam-lsd | congrio: So I would suggest compiling this package. However, instead of cross compiling it, compile it natively on the Zaurus. If you need extra storage space, use some form of network storage (NFS, Samba, etc.). |
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| 20:01.01 | VladDrac | 'llo |
| 20:01.27 | VladDrac | can anyone point me to the files needed for openzaurus on slc3000? |
| 20:01.41 | VladDrac | the instructions don't really match what's available in the download section |
| 20:03.47 | VladDrac | blah |
| 20:03.48 | VladDrac | never mind |
| 20:05.21 | alan | VladDrac: did you find what you needed ? |
| 20:05.52 | VladDrac | alan: yeah, stuff is named differently, I just need to rename stuff |
| 20:06.14 | VladDrac | (I guess there's no GPE?) |
| 20:06.31 | alan | i don't know... i have a 750 |
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| 20:27.01 | VladDrac | sweet |
| 20:27.11 | VladDrac | also noticed someone build gpe for c3000 |
| 20:27.16 | VladDrac | so I might try that as well |
| 20:35.19 | VladDrac | oh man this is soooo much better than the std c3000 desktop |
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| 20:39.59 | cosmo- | how stable and mature GPE is compared to OPIE? |
| 21:23.00 | alan | cosmo-: GPE isn't as stable for now. Well, you won't notice any difference for basic use (pim, etc...) but GPE is changing so fast ! Virtualy, any prog availiable on your PC could be ported to OZ GPE. |
| 21:23.25 | benplaut | well... available on you _linux_ PC :) |
| 21:23.44 | alan | benplaut: ^^ what else than linux ?? |
| 21:24.13 | benplaut | windows... |
| 21:24.15 | benplaut | mac... |
| 21:24.32 | benplaut | DOS :) |
| 21:24.56 | alan | winwhat ? macwhat ? dowhat ?? :D |
| 21:25.31 | alan | plus qemu could be ported to Zaurus, so mac on zaurus... why not ^^ |
| 21:27.34 | alan | benplaut: freedos on zaurus might work... |
| 21:28.43 | benplaut | maybe... |
| 21:28.49 | benplaut | i could really care less :D |
| 21:29.06 | benplaut | qemu does mac? oh... |
| 21:29.09 | benplaut | didn't know |
| 21:29.35 | benplaut | that might not work becuase of problems with a different processor architechture (sp?) |
| 21:31.54 | cosmo- | gpe feels quite good.. it has crashed only once so far |
| 21:32.25 | benplaut | X feals very good :) |
| 21:32.35 | benplaut | i like, pdaXrom, however :) |
| 21:32.39 | cosmo- | there seems to be even multisync plugin, i can sync it with evolution |
| 21:33.34 | cosmo- | maybe i just should try them all |
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| 21:38.01 | cosmo- | pdaxrom.org seems to be down |
| 21:39.45 | VladDrac | hmm, must say the opie stuff is a bit minimal |
| 21:42.54 | alan | that is why i tried the Both OPIE and GPE how to for my Z.... not really a good experience, i must say... |
| 21:43.25 | alan | but with some tweaks, it kind of works... |
| 21:44.05 | alan | good night gentlemen |
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| 21:49.30 | cosmo- | i'd be happy if i got stable system with network and sync |
| 22:01.32 | cosmo- | looks like gpe crashed :( |
| 22:02.13 | cosmo- | maybe i should start using palm again and use zaurus as a expensive mp3-player |
| 22:02.34 | JustinP | Zaurii work great. Depends on your model, though, some have older kernels. |
| 22:02.42 | JustinP | cosmo-: what model and kernel? |
| 22:03.20 | cosmo- | 5500 and 2.4.18-rmk7-pxa3-embedix-3.5.3 |
| 22:04.15 | cosmo- | maybe i have a faulty unit or something, but both opie and gpe seem to crash often |
| 22:05.30 | JustinP | well...the embeddix kernels always have problems |
| 22:05.41 | JustinP | (Sharp's fault) |
| 22:06.05 | cosmo- | can i get a better kernel somehow? |
| 22:06.35 | cosmo- | i've been using the files from openzaurus.org |
| 22:06.50 | JustinP | the 2.6 kernel may not be ready for 5500 yet |
| 22:07.07 | JustinP | actually my 5500 worked pretty well with both Opie and GPE |
| 22:07.13 | JustinP | (before I fried it) |
| 22:07.32 | JustinP | my C3000 crashes often on resume but it's newly supported, so... |
| 22:11.32 | cosmo- | sharp rom worked quite well, but there's no multisync plugin for it |
| 22:13.20 | JustinP | sharp rom is also much more limited and screwed up |
| 22:15.46 | cosmo- | it's quite strange that opie & gpe both fill all of the internal memory initially |
| 22:16.33 | cosmo- | and i haven't found a way to install to cf in gpe |
| 22:16.56 | JustinP | cosmo-: get an SD card, format it ext2, and move root to the SD card |
| 22:17.16 | JustinP | I used a 256MB one |
| 22:18.21 | cosmo- | that might be a good idea |
| 22:18.24 | jdims | whats the easiest way to move root |
| 22:18.31 | JustinP | use rboot |
| 22:19.04 | cosmo- | i have a 128mb cf card now.. but i'll buy a wlan cf card so i must use SD for storage |
| 22:20.03 | JustinP | and CF gets ejected and reinserted on suspend so you can't move root to it |
| 22:20.12 | cosmo- | how sharp has managed to put opera and hancom office on their rom? both opie & gpe have only very basic apps |
| 22:20.30 | JustinP | both together take lots of space for base stuff |
| 22:20.47 | JustinP | which is why I said to use SD for root |
| 22:20.51 | JustinP | I wrote the "howto" |
| 22:22.59 | jdims | where is it JustinP? |
| 22:29.02 | VladDrac | gpe looks nice, feels better than opie |
| 22:31.04 | cosmo- | i think after all the sharp rom is best for unexpanded 5500.. you get web browser, ssh, and networking with it |
| 22:31.34 | cosmo- | gpe crashed again :( |
| 22:34.44 | subdue | gpe = less apps, but stabler than opie |
| 22:34.52 | subdue | opie = prettier, but easy to crash |
| 22:35.06 | subdue | sharp = conservative, inflexible, but stable |
| 22:35.18 | subdue | tkc = same as sharp but without the sharp things |
| 22:35.24 | subdue | imo |
| 22:37.47 | cosmo- | open source coders have made a lot of hard work on gpe & opie, but i'm still disappointed about the situation |
| 22:38.31 | cosmo- | i paid 185¤ for my zaurus so it's not a very big loss |
| 22:38.33 | VladDrac | unfortunately, these packagemanagers *always* fail on me |
| 22:39.39 | cosmo- | i'm working at Nokia, hopefully i might get a 770 prototype for testing some day |
| 22:54.04 | benplaut | 185 isn;t a big loss?! |
| 22:54.08 | benplaut | lucky! |
| 22:54.31 | jdims | following your guide now JustinP thanks. |
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| 22:58.20 | cosmo- | hm, is there some trick i must do to flash sharp rom? |
| 22:58.50 | cosmo- | it fails filesystem check when it boots |
| 23:00.13 | JustinP | jdims: good luck. It could use a bit of updating but I don't have an account on the website any more |
| 23:01.03 | JustinP | consmo-: Both Opie and GPE have those things. They didn't seem to crash much for me before... |
| 23:01.34 | JustinP | VladDrac: the graphical package managers have memory leaks and other problems. Use command-line ipkg and ipkg-link. |
| 23:01.43 | JustinP | cosmo- rather |
| 23:05.13 | VladDrac | yeah doing that now |
| 23:17.31 | VladDrac | damn |
| 23:17.39 | VladDrac | the terminal is actually *crashing* |
| 23:17.51 | VladDrac | rootshell works fine |
| 23:18.51 | JustinP | yep, GPE terminal doesn't work for anyone but root |
| 23:19.02 | JustinP | has something to do with permissions but no one would tell me how to fix it |
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| 23:37.26 | dgram | hi all |