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| 00:12.12 | dgram | can Xora still be found in this channel? |
| 01:57.57 | JustinP | anyone else in here having problems with the csl-arm gcc compiler? It seems to break some compiles in OE (monotone, abiword, etc) |
| 03:22.16 | sandman | Is openzaurus the most popular alternative zaurus OS? |
| 03:24.47 | subdue | that depends on your z |
| 03:25.00 | subdue | http://www.oesf.org/index.php?title=Zaurus_How-To_Docs |
| 03:25.06 | subdue | check there for your particular model |
| 03:26.56 | sandman | Can I compile things with the standard Zaurus ROM? |
| 03:27.32 | sandman | What I'm going to do is buy a sl5600 from ebay and do software development on it |
| 03:27.37 | sandman | Will I need to flash the ROM to accomplish this? |
| 03:31.36 | sandman | Can one enable a swapfile with a zaurus? |
| 03:31.40 | sandman | Like on a flashcard or some such? |
| 04:11.02 | ljp | yes, but I would not recommend that |
| 04:13.07 | sandman | Wouldn't recommend buying it from ebay? |
| 04:13.27 | sandman | Do the sl-c series zaurii have touchscreens? |
| 04:14.50 | sandman | or only keyboard? |
| 04:33.06 | sandman | I just bought an sl-5600 from ebay. |
| 04:33.15 | sandman | ~$220 |
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| 05:02.09 | JustinP | sandman: all of the Zaurii have touchscreens. It's kind of hard to use a GUI without a touchscreen or mouse. |
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| 09:32.33 | VladDrac | bah, ipkg upgrade fails |
| 09:32.38 | VladDrac | ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for kernel-module-rfcomm: |
| 09:32.38 | VladDrac | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:32.40 | VladDrac | (c3000) |
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| 10:56.05 | alan | yop ! |
| 11:36.59 | VladDrac | bonjour |
| 12:31.00 | cosmo- | another zaurus tuning day starting.. :-P |
| 12:31.25 | cosmo- | i found a ram-disk that has a lot of free space in opie.. that could help the situation |
| 12:34.43 | cosmo- | i could remove apps to get space on / and reinstall them to ram |
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| 13:32.08 | alan | cosmo-: mmm.. i think ram is the same as / |
| 13:32.13 | alan | ^^ |
| 13:32.38 | alan | you can install in /home, if needed, but you already know that... |
| 13:51.37 | cosmo- | there is /media/ram dir mounted with lots of free space |
| 13:53.48 | cosmo- | i can get 2.5mb free space if i remove all non-essential packages from opie, but it doesn't seem to be enough |
| 13:55.11 | cosmo- | if i try to install anything even then, the installer freezes and Z won't even boot to gui |
| 13:57.28 | cosmo- | too bad but i should have bought a palm :( |
| 14:02.02 | Ycros | cosmo-: where would the fun be in that ;) |
| 14:02.58 | cosmo- | not so fun, but i could sync my calendar and there's ssh for palm also |
| 14:03.34 | cosmo- | Filesystem Size Used Available Use% Mounted on |
| 14:03.34 | cosmo- | /dev/mtdblock4 14.1M 12.8M 1.3M 91% / |
| 14:03.34 | cosmo- | /dev/mtdblock6 31.0M 18.0k 29.4M 0% /media/ram |
| 14:03.54 | cosmo- | this is what i get from fresh opie install |
| 14:06.13 | cosmo- | i'll go and get a 128mb SD card tomorrow and copy root on it.. hopefully it helps |
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| 14:49.17 | cosmo- | argh, i figured it out.. ram disk is really a ram disk, it is erased in reboot |
| 14:49.46 | cosmo- | i moved /usr on it and rebooted.. not a good idea |
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| 14:59.58 | yipstar | hello zaurus community |
| 15:00.15 | yipstar | anyone around that has gotten a bluetooth card to work under OZ 3.5.3 |
| 15:00.17 | yipstar | ? |
| 15:02.03 | cosmo- | hm, would it be possible to create a filesystem on cf and use it as /usr or something? |
| 15:05.13 | yipstar | anyone know if the bluetooth howto on oesf.org is up to date? |
| 15:06.07 | cosmo- | i got a zaurus on friday, so i can't help |
| 15:07.12 | yipstar | no worries cosmo- |
| 15:07.41 | yipstar | cosmos if you're looking to install applications to a cf or sd card instead of the rom you can |
| 15:08.27 | cosmo- | i need more space on root dir, opie leaves 1.3mb free |
| 15:08.57 | cosmo- | it isn't enough for ipkg's temp files or something and the whole system breaks |
| 15:09.17 | yipstar | what model are you on? |
| 15:09.48 | cosmo- | 5500 |
| 15:10.20 | yipstar | so you're staying after you flash your rom to OZ 3.5.3 and without installing anything further ipkg is not working properly? |
| 15:10.26 | yipstar | *saying* |
| 15:11.01 | cosmo- | yes |
| 15:11.38 | cosmo- | it gets stuck installing anything and i believe it's because it runs out of space on / |
| 15:11.39 | yipstar | hmmn... I'm on a c870 but I'm sure there's lots of people using 5500's. |
| 15:11.45 | cosmo- | even if i try installing to cf |
| 15:12.02 | yipstar | and you added the cf as a destination to /etc/ipkg.conf? |
| 15:12.32 | cosmo- | it's already there |
| 15:13.17 | yipstar | you have a dest cf /mnt/cf entry? |
| 15:13.28 | yipstar | under the entry for root? |
| 15:15.16 | cosmo- | dest cf /media/cf/packages/ |
| 15:15.34 | yipstar | and when you install a pkg you do ipkg -d cf install pkg_name? |
| 15:15.36 | FallenHitokiri | got the same problem. if i want to install more than 3 or 4 pkgs the whole systems crashes. |
| 15:15.57 | cosmo- | yipstar: yep. |
| 15:16.17 | cosmo- | i can install some very small packages successfully, but anything larger fails |
| 15:16.22 | yipstar | cosmo-: sorry then, I've not the experience or expertise to help you :( |
| 15:16.33 | cosmo- | ipkg freezes, even on command line |
| 15:16.51 | cosmo- | my best guess is that / runs out of space for temp files etc |
| 15:17.26 | alan | cosmo-: df returns ? |
| 15:17.55 | cosmo- | root@collie:~# df -h |
| 15:17.55 | cosmo- | Filesystem Size Used Available Use% Mounted on |
| 15:17.55 | cosmo- | /dev/mtdblock4 14.1M 12.8M 1.3M 91% / |
| 15:17.55 | cosmo- | /dev/mtdblock6 15.5M 18.0k 14.7M 0% /media/ram |
| 15:17.55 | cosmo- | tmpfs 22.6M 48.0k 22.6M 0% /var |
| 15:18.19 | cosmo- | this is after a fresh flash, nothing extra installed |
| 15:19.08 | alan | mmm... i miss hrw to help you... he is on vacation. |
| 15:19.52 | cosmo- | there should be a opie image with only minimal applications installed so that there would be free space initially |
| 15:21.19 | alan | maybe you can install progs to /media/ram, after all... |
| 15:21.34 | alan | i don't know much about 5xxx models. i have a 750 |
| 15:22.11 | cosmo- | alan: i just tried it, but /media/ram is erased on reboot |
| 15:22.41 | cosmo- | i just made a ext2 image file on cf card and try if i could move some stuff from / on it |
| 15:25.21 | alan | good |
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| 15:36.33 | cosmo- | i don't think that this will work after booting but lets try anyway |
| 15:46.53 | cosmo- | yep, ditn't boot. i think i'll stop hacking now and buy a sd card |
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| 15:50.17 | yipstar | does bluez come stock with 3.5.3 |
| 15:50.19 | yipstar | ? |
| 15:51.10 | yipstar | and where can I find a list of all the packages that come with 3.5.3. I may have removed something I shouldn't have and I'd like to compare what I have installed with what comes installed |
| 15:51.25 | yipstar | ipkg list is listing packages that are installed right? |
| 15:51.43 | yipstar | ipkg search is searching the feeds for new packages as well? |
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| 15:53.40 | alan | ipkg list is a listing of all availible ipks |
| 15:54.01 | alan | i never used ipkg search |
| 15:54.36 | yipstar | you mean available ipks from the feeds in ipkg.conf? |
| 15:55.07 | alan | yes, AND in the lists in /etc/ipkg/_ |
| 15:55.29 | yipstar | ah, thank you for the clairification |
| 15:55.34 | alan | and i think bluez is included in 30503 by default |
| 15:55.51 | yipstar | yes I believe it is as well |
| 15:55.52 | alan | yipstar: no problem. |
| 15:56.05 | yipstar | but I think I might have removed some of the ipks by accident |
| 15:56.13 | yipstar | so I'm trying to figure out how to tell if I did |
| 15:56.25 | alan | i have no idea... |
| 15:57.17 | yipstar | do you know if I reflash just my kernel would I be back to a stock install? |
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| 15:59.16 | yipstar | ah, ipkg list_installed lists only installed ipks |
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| 17:12.23 | yipstar | I just reflashed to OZ 3.5.3 to start from scratch to try to set up my bluetooth card |
| 17:12.40 | yipstar | flash went successfully, however the zaurus is taking quite a long time to boot up |
| 17:12.58 | yipstar | It seems to not be moving from the initial "OpenZaurus w Kernel 2.6 screen" |
| 17:13.18 | yipstar | I don't remember it taking this long in the past, but I could be wrong of course |
| 17:24.45 | yipstar | anyone ever experience this incredibly long start up, I think something's wrong :( |
| 17:34.07 | jnc | hm |
| 17:34.23 | jnc | could be something in the first run |
| 17:34.25 | jnc | i don't know |
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| 17:34.39 | jnc | i have OZ 3.5.3 and it is significantly buggy |
| 17:34.48 | jnc | my platform is spitz, though |
| 17:34.55 | jnc | which explains much of the inconsistancies |
| 17:35.48 | yipstar | Its just weird because I've been on 3.5.3 for over a month now and everything has been going great |
| 17:36.00 | yipstar | I just wanted to start over with a fresh install |
| 17:36.12 | yipstar | its been booting for over 8 minutes now |
| 17:37.45 | yipstar | I suppose I could try a 3.5.2 setup just to see if it works |
| 17:39.01 | JustinP | VladDrac: if you're still in here, don't upgrade those kernel modules. They're failing because you have a 2.4 kernel. |
| 17:41.11 | jnc | oh |
| 17:41.25 | jnc | yipstar: good to hear it's working for someone |
| 17:41.32 | jnc | i have lots of segfaults on packages |
| 17:41.37 | jnc | it's severly annoying |
| 17:41.55 | yipstar | I hear ya brother |
| 17:42.05 | jnc | not to say that i don't like OZ, it's just that my PDA is not very... useful as a PDA |
| 17:42.18 | yipstar | I'm so down after this, I might start pounding whiskey and it's only 1:30pm over here ;) |
| 17:42.23 | jnc | :) |
| 17:42.44 | jnc | it's after the right of our sun, no worries |
| 17:43.04 | yipstar | cheers |
| 17:43.21 | jnc | hey how would i map a key? |
| 17:43.37 | jnc | there's two keys on the SL-C3000 that are used for katakana |
| 17:43.54 | yipstar | sorry I'm not sure how to do that |
| 17:43.56 | jnc | i don't know anything about japanese culture.... so maybe 'katakana' isn't the right word |
| 17:43.59 | jnc | 'k |
| 17:44.12 | jnc | well it's two keys and they don't do anything useful in english |
| 17:44.19 | JustinP | jnc: have you tried the new keymap on the OE forums that someone posted for the C1K |
| 17:44.22 | JustinP | ? |
| 17:44.24 | JustinP | it works much better |
| 17:44.25 | jnc | i'd like to assign them to ALT and soemthing else |
| 17:44.38 | jnc | JustinP: possibly, i thought that was included in the upgrades feed? |
| 17:44.55 | jnc | i know that the keymap is much different than a fresh non-upgrade feed updated install of OZ 3.5.3 |
| 17:44.56 | JustinP | is it? I didn't think so... |
| 17:45.17 | jnc | hm |
| 17:45.18 | JustinP | hmmmm, ok, perhaps is was upgraded then....I'm still using that one altered a bit for myself, though |
| 17:45.23 | jnc | ah okay |
| 17:45.36 | JustinP | do you katakana keys do anything? |
| 17:45.42 | jnc | i saw a few keymaps, they were dependent on a certain program |
| 17:45.49 | jnc | nope, not that i can tell |
| 17:45.57 | jnc | they just seem like dead keys to me |
| 17:46.01 | JustinP | then you don't have the keymap that I'm mentioning ;-) |
| 17:46.16 | JustinP | the keymap just depends on loadkeys which you should have |
| 17:46.31 | jnc | i don't have loadkeys, AFAIK |
| 17:47.22 | jnc | i only have loadfont and loadkmap |
| 17:47.30 | JustinP | it should be in th ebase installll....I didn't think I installed anything for it |
| 17:47.34 | jnc | where do i get loadkeys? |
| 17:47.34 | JustinP | maybe it was kdbtools or something |
| 17:47.37 | jnc | hmm |
| 17:47.39 | JustinP | kbd |
| 17:47.43 | JustinP | I'm just guessing |
| 17:47.55 | jnc | searching now |
| 17:48.04 | jnc | i am using GPE now, not OPIE |
| 17:48.19 | JustinP | doesn't matter, this is a console mapping |
| 17:48.39 | jnc | well... it matters a little bit, if you press shift+Fn in OPIE, it disables the keyboard |
| 17:48.42 | jnc | ;) |
| 17:48.49 | jnc | in GPE it does not seem to do anything |
| 17:49.07 | JustinP | well yes |
| 17:49.14 | JustinP | but I mean that the keymap works in both |
| 17:49.17 | jnc | okay |
| 17:49.36 | jnc | yeah i don't seem to have this loadkeys utility. the forum posts i read indicated that loadkeys is the way to go |
| 17:50.04 | jnc | ipkg list | grep kbd |
| 17:50.20 | jnc | xkbd - 0.8.15-r0 - Version 0.8.15-r0 of package xkbd |
| 17:50.28 | JustinP | the search in the forum is flawed.....searching for keymap c1k didn't find anything |
| 17:50.31 | JustinP | here it is: http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=12999&hl=loadkeys |
| 17:50.56 | jnc | dillo2 is kind of neat on GPE |
| 17:51.50 | JustinP | I haven't really used it. ;-) I'm using forefox |
| 17:51.54 | jnc | nice |
| 17:51.59 | jnc | where'd you pick that up from? |
| 17:52.07 | JustinP | there *should* be an ipk in the feeds |
| 17:52.16 | JustinP | but it very likely will not install correctly |
| 17:52.28 | JustinP | so you install it, then extract it manually and copy of the files |
| 17:52.38 | JustinP | copy over |
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| 17:53.12 | jnc | if i could sanely reinstall everything and end up with GPE... or maybe build a bitbake |
| 17:53.15 | jnc | i dont' know |
| 17:53.18 | jnc | it's all so time consuming |
| 17:53.22 | JustinP | I know I know...but the ipkg guys keep telling me that there are no problems wirh ipkg...even though this is 100% reproducable on my Zaurii |
| 17:53.33 | jnc | right |
| 17:53.43 | jnc | ipkg takes a fucking eternity on my Z |
| 17:53.56 | JustinP | it's because of all of the feeds you have installed |
| 17:53.56 | jnc | it goes super quick on my linksys wrt hardware |
| 17:53.59 | jnc | ah |
| 17:54.17 | JustinP | if you remove some of the lists in /usr/lib/ipkg/lists it will speed up |
| 17:54.22 | JustinP | the parser is extremely slow |
| 17:55.02 | jnc | if i remove the lists, then ... |
| 17:55.28 | JustinP | not all of them, just remove the ones you don't use often or don't need right now |
| 17:55.42 | yipstar | my husky is still on stuck on the initial boot screen |
| 17:55.47 | yipstar | something must be wrong right? |
| 17:55.52 | JustinP | yes |
| 17:55.57 | yipstar | :( |
| 17:56.16 | JustinP | what did you just do? |
| 17:56.17 | yipstar | I just flashed the same files 4 days ago and it went fine |
| 17:56.32 | yipstar | I reflashed to 3.5.3 opie |
| 17:56.33 | JustinP | you sure they're the same? |
| 17:56.45 | yipstar | well I just downloaded them again from the oz site |
| 17:56.54 | JustinP | then they may not be the same |
| 17:57.03 | yipstar | but the time stamps seem the same |
| 17:57.03 | JustinP | did you check their sizes? mp5sums? |
| 17:57.11 | yipstar | nope, let me do that |
| 17:57.13 | JustinP | md5sums |
| 17:57.43 | yipstar | um, how do I do that? |
| 17:59.02 | JustinP | first check their sizes |
| 17:59.14 | JustinP | the problem most often is that the download stopped in the middle |
| 17:59.25 | jnc | that's not a n00b question, it's just something that gets a lot of use and if you don't know about it, you probably should learn |
| 17:59.58 | yipstar | yes, I know its also for security purposes so you know the files haven't been modified from the original released versions |
| 18:00.04 | yipstar | I'm just lazy and don't do it |
| 18:00.47 | yipstar | great |
| 18:00.51 | yipstar | what an idiot I am |
| 18:00.55 | yipstar | thank you both |
| 18:01.01 | yipstar | my opie image is only 7 mb |
| 18:01.05 | jnc | yea |
| 18:01.10 | jnc | see that is something i ran into also |
| 18:01.29 | jnc | md5sums helped me realize that it did not copy to the SD card properly |
| 18:01.38 | jnc | which is sort of an important detail |
| 18:02.10 | yipstar | nod |
| 18:02.23 | JustinP | yes, copying to the card problems also happen frequently |
| 18:02.27 | yipstar | I've had my zaurus for 2 years now |
| 18:02.42 | yipstar | I've been dying to get the thing to use my bluetooth cell phone for internet access |
| 18:02.51 | yipstar | I never seem to find the time to set it up |
| 18:03.04 | yipstar | my first card is not supported took me quite a long time to figure out that one |
| 18:03.27 | yipstar | so I bought another card and now I'm trying to get this to work |
| 18:04.11 | yipstar | I can't seem to find a definitive howoto to do this though |
| 18:05.04 | yipstar | but I heard bluez comes stock on 3.5.3 and I installed a bunch of stuff following different howtos, so I'm trying to start from scratch with a fresh 3.5.3 |
| 18:06.54 | JustinP | jnc: console-tools has loadkeys |
| 18:08.12 | yipstar | stop spamming I meant |
| 18:09.16 | jnc | JustinP: okay |
| 18:11.30 | jnc | JustinP: thx |
| 18:16.26 | jnc | JustinP: i had to --force-overwrite |
| 18:18.06 | JustinP | ok |
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| 18:37.13 | jnc | i wish bash were on the Z |
| 18:37.41 | jnc | i'm kind of torn |
| 18:37.49 | jnc | maybe i should repartition the Z's hard disk |
| 18:37.55 | jnc | or sell it and get a C3100 |
| 18:38.04 | jnc | (with 128mb ROM) |
| 18:38.13 | JustinP | eh? no bash? you can always install it |
| 18:38.48 | JustinP | I have a C3000. A C3100 would be nice, but C3000 is great |
| 18:39.16 | jnc | yeah |
| 18:39.30 | jnc | what i desired was the black look. iPoddish white is sort of not my style |
| 18:39.38 | jnc | also i'm not a big fan of the microdrive |
| 18:39.42 | JustinP | yes I don't like the nwhite myself |
| 18:39.45 | jnc | it stops working in hot hot heat |
| 18:39.52 | jnc | (i.e. in the car glovebox) |
| 18:39.58 | JustinP | so don't leave it in the car.... |
| 18:40.02 | jnc | well |
| 18:40.07 | JustinP | that's just a stupid idea IMHO... |
| 18:40.12 | jnc | okay |
| 18:40.16 | jnc | i wanted a GPS console |
| 18:40.18 | jnc | :) |
| 18:40.26 | JustinP | why would you leave expensive electronics in aa hot car? |
| 18:40.44 | JustinP | hmmm...well I would suggest carrying it with you and using the GPS when you're in the car |
| 18:40.49 | jnc | yeah |
| 18:41.02 | jnc | using HOST USB is sort of unwieldly |
| 18:41.31 | jnc | at least with the GoldX cable it sticks out and is subject to breakage |
| 18:41.41 | JustinP | true |
| 18:41.49 | JustinP | you can get one of those littl ecab;es though |
| 18:41.55 | jnc | if i could |
| 18:42.10 | jnc | they are not produced by anyone i know, all cables i saw were out of stock |
| 18:42.42 | JustinP | I got mine from the "USB Cutie" laptop HD USB enclosure |
| 18:42.48 | jnc | interesting |
| 18:43.01 | jnc | is that more reasonable? |
| 18:43.12 | jnc | (more reasonable to use than the GoldX) |
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| 18:48.42 | JustinP | yes |
| 18:48.49 | JustinP | much more reasonab;e |
| 18:48.52 | JustinP | I also have a goldx |
| 18:50.09 | yipstar | i'm up and running again, thanks guys |
| 18:53.57 | jnc | JustinP: where'd you pick up firefox? |
| 18:54.22 | jnc | (for the c3k) |
| 19:11.57 | JustinP | jnc: the one in the OZ feeds should "work" |
| 19:12.10 | JustinP | download it to your Z then install it |
| 19:12.22 | JustinP | then extract it |
| 19:14.01 | JustinP | "ar x firefox firefox....tgz" |
| 19:14.09 | JustinP | "tar zxvf data.tar.gz" |
| 19:14.20 | JustinP | then copy all of those files to where they need to go |
| 19:19.08 | jnc | oh |
| 19:19.20 | jnc | i couldn't find one in the OZ feeds for 3.5.3 |
| 19:19.24 | jnc | that's why i'm asking |
| 19:19.28 | jnc | did i miss it? |
| 19:21.12 | JustinP | is it not in the x11 feed or something? |
| 19:21.19 | JustinP | sec sec... |
| 19:21.19 | jnc | nope, not that i could see |
| 19:21.28 | jnc | also, how do you handle the limited amount of rootfs space? |
| 19:21.35 | jnc | i've run out, it is only 100mb |
| 19:21.48 | jnc | stock partitioning |
| 19:21.54 | JustinP | I don't have to handle it, I have a C3000 :-| |
| 19:22.02 | jnc | i have a C3000 as well |
| 19:22.13 | JustinP | oh yeah |
| 19:22.14 | jnc | it is partitioned, and installed with OZ on the rootfs of 100mb |
| 19:22.38 | JustinP | I used parted (compiled in Sharp ROM) to make a new partition (well, 2) at the end of the HD by resizing hdd3. |
| 19:22.53 | jnc | ah |
| 19:22.57 | JustinP | so I have 512M for my oz |
| 19:23.04 | VladDrac | justin back |
| 19:23.16 | VladDrac | justin there's no way to upgrade at all, actually |
| 19:23.18 | JustinP | then I altered the pivot root flash image to use the new partition instead of the default one |
| 19:23.50 | jnc | does usbmode vfat access work on your config ? |
| 19:23.52 | JustinP | that way I don't lose my Sharp ROM in case I want it. just NAND restore and I have it back. Same to go back to OZ |
| 19:23.58 | jnc | 'k |
| 19:24.08 | JustinP | jnc: you mean like a USB HDD? I haven't tried it. |
| 19:24.14 | jnc | good to know |
| 19:24.28 | JustinP | jnc: I'm also trying to get parted compiling in OE for OZ |
| 19:24.39 | JustinP | jnc: if you want parted for the Sharp ROM I can send you my files |
| 19:24.47 | JustinP | it was a bitch to get compiling right |
| 19:24.48 | jnc | i would like that, please |
| 19:25.12 | JustinP | ok, let me see if I can package it up easily |
| 19:26.39 | jnc | we should make a list of things to do from a stock C3000 |
| 19:26.45 | jnc | and OZ 3.5.3 |
| 19:26.50 | jnc | i know the OE forums are a mess |
| 19:27.28 | JustinP | I very rarely actually go to them any more |
| 19:27.49 | JustinP | there's info in there but it's hard to find.,...and it's mostly people asking questions |
| 19:29.07 | JustinP | so don't chose, use both ;-) |
| 19:29.12 | JustinP | choose |
| 19:29.52 | jnc | GPE is nicer I think, it is a bit slower than OPIE |
| 19:30.01 | VladDrac | it's rather buggy imho |
| 19:30.04 | VladDrac | at least on c3000 |
| 19:30.05 | jnc | the programs in OZ 3.5.3 are not very stable right now |
| 19:30.08 | jnc | indeed |
| 19:30.10 | VladDrac | minimo is hardly usable actually |
| 19:30.17 | jnc | minimo? |
| 19:30.23 | VladDrac | the browser? |
| 19:30.25 | jnc | not heard what that is |
| 19:30.26 | jnc | oh |
| 19:30.28 | JustinP | firefox works great but it's somewhat slow |
| 19:30.30 | jnc | i use dillo2 right now |
| 19:30.43 | VladDrac | dillo hmm ok is that ipkg installable? |
| 19:30.50 | jnc | dillo2 is great, it does not save files though, they are blank files |
| 19:30.53 | jnc | yep |
| 19:30.59 | jnc | x11 feed i reckon |
| 19:31.02 | VladDrac | and I really need some calendaring tool that can sync remotely (like sunbird) |
| 19:31.23 | jnc | oh, i think there is one in GPE cvs code, not immediately useful for us though |
| 19:33.04 | VladDrac | I found some kde thingy as well, can't really figure out how to start it (read: how to boot kde) |
| 19:33.21 | JustinP | I love kopi but I think it only runs in opie... |
| 19:33.47 | VladDrac | hmm, and are there alternative browsers for opie? |
| 19:33.56 | VladDrac | konqueror didn't impress me really |
| 19:36.56 | jnc | i've heard that E17 is the ultimate of ultimates on C3000 zaurus |
| 19:37.02 | jnc | anyone tried it? |
| 19:37.05 | VladDrac | e17? |
| 19:37.35 | VladDrac | enlightenment? |
| 19:38.47 | JustinP | ok, I made a tarball of e2fstools and parted....it's all of the source and compiled files for c3000 Sharp so it's over 9MB... |
| 19:39.06 | jnc | okay |
| 19:39.25 | JustinP | would you like to try it? |
| 19:39.27 | jnc | we could try a dcc |
| 19:39.28 | jnc | yeah |
| 19:39.44 | jnc | i'm IRC'ing from a webserver i run from home |
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| 19:42.38 | jnc | JustinP: have you a wifi card for the spitz? |
| 19:43.07 | JustinP | Ambicom |
| 19:43.16 | jnc | i'm having trouble with the wifi card being recognized as eth0 when the spitz is booted with the card in |
| 19:43.35 | jnc | if the spitz is booted without the card, and the card is added later it shows up as wifi0 and wlan0 |
| 19:43.54 | jnc | mine is a dlink dcf-660w |
| 19:44.31 | JustinP | so don't boot with it in ;-) |
| 19:44.41 | jnc | that puts a lot of wear and tear on the slot |
| 19:44.48 | jnc | it's almost to the point where it's loose and nearly falls out |
| 19:45.06 | jnc | is this a kernel issue, ya think? |
| 19:45.34 | JustinP | the cxks have some "problems" with booting with CF in |
| 19:45.50 | JustinP | such as if you boot with a memory card in it becomes hda and the microdrive come sup as hdc |
| 19:46.01 | JustinP | yes, I think it's a kernel issue |
| 19:46.07 | JustinP | the embeddix kernel |
| 19:46.15 | jnc | ah |
| 19:46.33 | JustinP | my CF slot is still nice and tight.... |
| 19:47.29 | JustinP | :-| |
| 19:47.42 | jnc | i'm immediately plotting out the possible sexual innuendo |
| 19:48.10 | jnc | too much IRC rots the brain |
| 19:48.14 | jnc | i swear it |
| 19:48.35 | JustinP | well stop going into those channels then |
| 19:48.46 | jnc | ping google.com | "ping: permission denied. (are you root?)" |
| 19:49.03 | jnc | i get that when running as unprivelleged user from GPE rxvt-unicode term |
| 19:49.20 | jnc | i have no idea what permissions control that |
| 19:52.14 | VladDrac | let's see what cacko on c3000 is like |
| 19:54.49 | JustinP | the only other rom I ever tried was tkc and that was on my 5500 |
| 19:55.01 | VladDrac | well cacko won't even boot properly |
| 19:55.54 | JustinP | well openbsd apparently runs on the c3k ;-) |
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| 19:57.41 | VladDrac | ok, which should I reinstall now that I fscked up my zaurus.. OZ opie or OZ gpe |
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| 20:00.00 | jnc | JustinP: it (*BSD) uses a linux kernel as a bootloader |
| 20:00.03 | JustinP | personally, I installed Opie and then installed GPE as well |
| 20:00.17 | JustinP | jnc: BWAHAHA, that's quite funny |
| 20:00.28 | jnc | VladDrac: OZ GPE 3.5.3 image is screwed up; you'll want the OPIE image |
| 20:00.38 | jnc | from there you can install GPE |
| 20:00.59 | jnc | JustinP: just for the Zaurus though |
| 20:01.21 | JustinP | still funny |
| 20:01.26 | VladDrac | jnc: how fucked up? I actually downloaded someone's gpe compile, didn't see any 'official' image |
| 20:01.41 | JustinP | there is no official gpe image I thought |
| 20:01.46 | VladDrac | anyway, once I'm settled, it'll be either OPIE or GPE, not both |
| 20:01.50 | VladDrac | and I prefer X11 in general |
| 20:01.53 | jnc | oh |
| 20:02.14 | jnc | i'm just saying from my experience, GPE image is not going to work like you want it to |
| 20:02.21 | jnc | hope that i'm wrong ;) |
| 20:02.36 | jnc | i wish there was a feed for 'sudo' package |
| 20:02.49 | jnc | typing su -l all the time is cumbersome |
| 20:02.52 | JustinP | jnc: there is |
| 20:03.35 | jnc | where? |
| 20:03.35 | JustinP | have you not set up any of the other feeds? |
| 20:03.42 | jnc | i did |
| 20:03.48 | jnc | maybe i'm missing some important ones |
| 20:03.54 | JustinP | http://openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.3/feed/admin/ |
| 20:03.58 | jnc | ahhh |
| 20:04.00 | VladDrac | anyway, it's great to see all this c3000 development going (finally) |
| 20:04.10 | JustinP | it's the only package in there ;-) |
| 20:04.26 | VladDrac | I gave up after trying to hack my own stuff after a while (leaving my zaurus in semi-broken state as there was no official way to restore the sharp rom |
| 20:04.36 | JustinP | VladDrac: well I'm working on stuff because I don't want to wait and because I like this stuff :-) |
| 20:04.42 | jnc | VladDrac: it's just JustinP ... he does all the work around here *kidding* |
| 20:04.58 | VladDrac | justin: I have too many other projects I'm involved in |
| 20:05.10 | jnc | JustinP: if you want an amd64 3000xp+ box to use as a compile host, i could set that up |
| 20:05.42 | jnc | i don't have any real knowlege to contribute at this point, just my cpu power |
| 20:09.37 | JustinP | jnc: well that would be faster than my poor little 800mhz machine :-) I'd appreciate the power. How much HD space do you have? |
| 20:10.03 | jnc | not much left, i could clean some off |
| 20:10.10 | jnc | you could get probably a gig to work with |
| 20:10.38 | jnc | privmsg for details :) |
| 20:13.07 | VladDrac | btw, in opie, if I switch to the console (terminal 1), how do I switch back to opie? |
| 20:13.37 | JustinP | chvt 2 |
| 20:13.50 | VladDrac | ah ok |
| 20:13.51 | VladDrac | makes sense |
| 20:13.53 | jnc | you did set a root password, didn't you? :) |
| 20:14.42 | VladDrac | hmm, does anyone know the name of that kde / qt pim suite? |
| 20:15.05 | JustinP | kopi |
| 20:15.07 | JustinP | kapi |
| 20:15.18 | JustinP | nice pim programs |
| 20:15.25 | VladDrac | which one do I need? :) |
| 20:16.32 | JustinP | kopi is calendar |
| 20:16.36 | JustinP | kapi is address book |
| 20:16.56 | VladDrac | ah ok |
| 20:17.06 | VladDrac | let's start with kopi then |
| 20:17.15 | VladDrac | so, no alternative browsers for opie besides konqueror? |
| 20:19.11 | JustinP | well, you can try Opera |
| 20:19.14 | JustinP | worked fine for me |
| 20:19.26 | JustinP | oh wait |
| 20:19.33 | JustinP | I'm thinking of the Sharp ROM ;-) |
| 20:19.44 | JustinP | none that I know of that is built |
| 20:19.59 | JustinP | you can try Opera and such with oz-compat |
| 20:22.47 | VladDrac | what (where) is oz-compat? |
| 20:24.20 | JustinP | ummm... |
| 20:25.18 | JustinP | oh..heh |
| 20:25.23 | JustinP | sharp-compat-libs |
| 20:25.28 | JustinP | it's in the opie feed |
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| 20:28.40 | AppleBoy | JustinP: you there? |
| 20:28.50 | JustinP | yes |
| 20:28.57 | AppleBoy | I guess I'm your new host |
| 20:29.49 | AppleBoy | has jnc talked with you? |
| 20:29.53 | JustinP | yes |
| 20:30.14 | AppleBoy | msg me what you would like your login info to be |
| 20:43.57 | VladDrac | Package wget wants to install file /usr/bin/wget |
| 20:43.57 | VladDrac | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:44.03 | VladDrac | :\ |
| 20:47.44 | VladDrac | hmm my workaround works, to my big suprise |
| 20:47.57 | VladDrac | (wgetting the wget ipkg, renaming bb's wget, ipkg install wget.ipk) |
| 20:48.37 | jnc | yep |
| 20:49.06 | jnc | so um, after suspending (echo "1" > /proc/sys/pm/suspend) and resuming with power button, rootfs is write-protected |
| 20:49.10 | jnc | what's that about? |
| 20:49.26 | JustinP | "apm -s" is a better suspend I believe |
| 20:49.57 | jnc | err |
| 20:49.58 | VladDrac | echo 1 suspended my c3000 and then crashed gpe on resume |
| 20:50.18 | jnc | i commented out apm_* thing in /etc/device_map |
| 20:50.34 | jnc | device_table, even |
| 20:50.44 | jnc | #/dev/apm/bios' |
| 20:50.50 | jnc | i'm all jumbled up |
| 20:54.16 | VladDrac | ok cool I managed to sync from schoolbell to kopi on my zaurus using an external command |
| 20:54.23 | jnc | oooh |
| 20:54.25 | VladDrac | now I need to find a way to write it back again |
| 20:54.26 | jnc | what is schoolbell |
| 20:54.37 | VladDrac | www.schooltool.org |
| 20:54.48 | VladDrac | a cool (zope3) calendaring / resource management server |
| 20:56.42 | jnc | neat |
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| 21:07.14 | JustinP | jnc: are you attempting to use my parted tarball yet? :-| |
| 21:07.52 | jnc | i'm attempting, and finding that it somehow got lost in the ether |
| 21:07.56 | jnc | what's that linkage again? |
| 21:10.18 | JustinP | remember, this is for the Sharp ROM, not OZ |
| 21:10.26 | JustinP | I'm still trying to get parted to comile in OE... |
| 21:14.05 | jnc | oh |
| 21:17.09 | jnc | if you want to add my ssh key to dioxide, i could poke around and help out |
| 21:17.25 | JustinP | oh, no, not on dioxide |
| 21:17.42 | JustinP | I'm waiting for monotone on there |
| 21:17.44 | jnc | ah okay |
| 21:18.04 | JustinP | I'm trying to figure out which OZ package will install dev headers on my Z. Such as stdlib.h. |
| 21:18.14 | JustinP | but since no one respond to that question.... |
| 21:20.03 | jnc | hm |
| 21:20.47 | JustinP | I want to try compiling emacs on my Z since it has issues with autoconf and and cross-compling...but no one will tell me where to get the appropriate packages |
| 21:20.54 | JustinP | I have hcc but it's no use without libs |
| 21:20.56 | JustinP | gcc |
| 21:22.11 | jnc | you know, might just have to do up an entire bitbake build |
| 21:22.58 | JustinP | hmmm? |
| 21:23.15 | jnc | i don't quite know what i am talking about |
| 21:23.37 | jnc | what i would like is a 2.6.x kernel |
| 21:23.41 | JustinP | I don't want bitbake, just a normal environment (although I'm getting monotone up on my Z in order to play with it there) |
| 21:23.44 | jnc | oh |
| 21:23.45 | JustinP | yes, me too |
| 21:23.52 | JustinP | someone's working on it |
| 21:24.00 | JustinP | I mean a normal compile environment |
| 21:24.11 | jnc | oh okay |
| 21:24.12 | JustinP | which you would need to use bitbake anyway ;-) |
| 21:24.22 | jnc | i think ipkg on the c3000 is sort of silly |
| 21:24.29 | JustinP | true |
| 21:24.30 | jnc | wouldn't apt be more suitable? |
| 21:24.35 | JustinP | well people have gentoo on it |
| 21:24.40 | jnc | oh gawd |
| 21:24.45 | JustinP | hehe |
| 21:24.47 | jnc | i'm a Gentoo dev |
| 21:24.53 | JustinP | oh are you? |
| 21:24.56 | jnc | and that is sounding like a bad time if you ask me |
| 21:24.58 | JustinP | I'm a gentoo user :-) |
| 21:25.02 | jnc | yeah |
| 21:25.10 | jnc | i dabble in the pro audio sound bits |
| 21:25.27 | jnc | ardour, hydrogen, qjackctl, seq24, amsynth, tk707 |
| 21:26.37 | jnc | Now, about the 2.6.x kernel... is there someone i could talk to who is working on it, and possibly help out? |
| 21:26.54 | jnc | JustinP: monotone should be installed on dioxide now |
| 21:27.26 | JustinP | jnc: yep, he just told me |
| 21:33.36 | AppleBoy | soo |
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| 21:39.20 | sandman | Anyone alive? |
| 21:40.45 | JustinP | no, you put us all to sleep |
| 21:56.45 | jnc | hehe |
| 22:04.40 | AppleBoy | wtf is monotne anyway? |
| 22:10.27 | AppleBoy | holy shit, my ram usage just jumped! |
| 22:18.38 | JustinP | monotone is a distributed sorce code management system |
| 22:19.20 | JustinP | I'm syning with my other DB...it may take a little while due to slowness of my upload and having to check all of the revisions |
| 22:19.48 | JustinP | syncing |
| 22:20.50 | JustinP | I reniced it so that it shouldn't have as much impact |
| 22:29.13 | yipstar | if I want to start from scratch, what other steps do I need to take other than reflashing zImage and initrd if I have apps installed on my sd card? |
| 22:30.08 | JustinP | well, wiping your SD card would be good unless you want to keep those...you could leave them and "ipkg-link mount sd" but you never know if they'll really work if on an SD... |
| 22:30.47 | JustinP | I also recommend not overwriting your hdd1 but using a new partition, but you'd need parted for that and I don't have an easy-to-use package for that yet |
| 22:31.29 | yipstar | what do you mean by "not overwriting your hdd1" ? |
| 22:33.25 | JustinP | wait....what zaurus do you have? |
| 22:33.45 | yipstar | husky |
| 22:33.52 | yipstar | if you're addressing me that is |
| 22:34.20 | JustinP | yes |
| 22:34.29 | JustinP | nm then I'm in spitz mode... |
| 22:35.52 | yipstar | JustinP: you don't happen to know anything about bluez or bluetooth do you ? :) |
| 22:35.55 | jnc | JustinP: how would ya reckon i restore my zaurus to the Sharp ROM? |
| 22:36.13 | jnc | yipstar: i can field the bluejunk |
| 22:36.16 | jnc | what's up |
| 22:36.46 | yipstar | well I just got a bluemonkey bluetooth card |
| 22:36.58 | JustinP | jnc: you get the zimage, initrd, hdimage, and updater.sh for the Sharp ROM and flash with them |
| 22:37.12 | yipstar | and I'd love to OZ 3.5.3 opie connecting to my cell phone to get internet access |
| 22:37.22 | yipstar | so I believe there are two main bluetooth options, bluez and affix |
| 22:37.29 | jnc | JustinP: can those be found on the japanese cd thing? |
| 22:37.55 | yipstar | i've decided to start with bluez |
| 22:38.13 | jnc | i use bluetooth for my GPSlim236 gps receiver |
| 22:38.20 | yipstar | bluez? |
| 22:38.26 | jnc | i got a Zoom bluetooth dongle that works pretty well |
| 22:38.28 | jnc | i think so |
| 22:38.33 | jnc | bluez modules on spitz |
| 22:38.39 | yipstar | what's spitz? |
| 22:39.17 | yipstar | and where did you have to download the bluez modules, or are they from the official feed? |
| 22:41.11 | JustinP | jnc: they may be....they are on the Sharp Zaurus website somewhere as well I think. |
| 22:41.24 | jnc | :) |
| 22:41.45 | jnc | my SD reader/writer on this desktop system misbehaves |
| 22:41.50 | jnc | i'm a little anxious about that |
| 22:42.21 | jnc | how much space is enough to allocate for a rootfs? |
| 22:42.23 | JustinP | so use CF ;-) |
| 22:42.41 | JustinP | well...do you mean for your new OZ install? |
| 22:42.54 | JustinP | (you can always copy to the SD on the Z as well) |
| 22:43.23 | JustinP | I have ~700MB right now. I have Opie and GPE as well as a whole slew of other programs installed and I'm at 100MB or so free |
| 22:43.36 | JustinP | I also set up a swap partition |
| 22:44.57 | jnc | yea i am thinking about wiping the whole thing out and restoring it to mint, as you say, it is possible to throw OZ at the end of the drive and have ample space |
| 22:45.28 | jnc | i would also like to document the exact process |
| 22:47.08 | JustinP | :-) that would be good |
| 22:47.24 | JustinP | yes, you can leave the normal install alone and have OZ at the end with no problems |
| 22:47.32 | JustinP | 512MB should be fine for normal use |
| 22:47.43 | JustinP | more than fine, probably |
| 22:48.04 | JustinP | I used to do Opie and GPE plus a bunch of stuff on a 512MB SD card on my collie |
| 22:49.22 | darmou_ | I think that gpe is the futrure, but not very usable right now |
| 22:53.41 | kolla_ | wish there was a no-nonsense lightweight alternative |
| 22:55.16 | kolla_ | picogui was very nice, but died due tolack of interest :( |
| 23:06.08 | AppleBoy | JustinP: what is it you're doing right now? |
| 23:06.51 | AppleBoy | I'm not annoyed or anything, I'm actually happy this computer's power is being put to use, I'm just curious as it's been running for a long time and it boosted my ram usage from 400megs to 700 megs |
| 23:07.00 | AppleBoy | good use that is |
| 23:12.49 | JustinP | I'm doing an initial pull of the monotone database for OE hosted on my own server. It does a whole lot of SHA and other encryption algorithms to make sure that the revisions are "correct" |
| 23:14.33 | JustinP | aha, done |
| 23:14.43 | JustinP | nice server, that was relativelly fast :-) |
| 23:14.44 | AppleBoy | yep |
| 23:14.46 | AppleBoy | just finished |
| 23:14.49 | AppleBoy | :) |
| 23:14.53 | AppleBoy | cool |
| 23:15.18 | AppleBoy | 662megs of ram used, 420 megs of swap used |
| 23:15.26 | AppleBoy | talk about a jump |
| 23:26.08 | JustinP | all right, time to do some compiling, let's see how fast I can get the cross-sompiler set up |
| 23:26.26 | JustinP | ah...hehe, that's funny |
| 23:26.45 | JustinP | I'm missing bitbake |
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