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| 02:46.42 | AppleBoy | JustinP: how's it working out? |
| 02:56.41 | JustinP | AppleBoy: very well |
| 02:59.05 | JustinP | fuck |
| 02:59.36 | JustinP | all of a sudden my /var directory disappeared and attempting to reboot gives me "hda: lost interrupt" |
| 03:06.38 | jnc | eek |
| 03:06.59 | jnc | kind of makes me wish there were a spitz emulator |
| 03:13.14 | jnc | JustinP: all hope is lost? |
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| 03:40.02 | JustinP | jnc: I hope not....I spent a good bit of time making my zaurus how I wanted it.....hmmm, perhaps it was the libraries...I accidentally overwrote some |
| 03:41.27 | jnc | where does the fabled serial port come from? |
| 03:41.32 | AppleBoy | I see compiling! |
| 03:41.41 | jnc | ^^ pervert ^^ |
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| 03:41.46 | AppleBoy | what is bitcake? |
| 03:41.54 | jnc | ^^ no comment ^^ |
| 03:42.32 | JustinP | jnc: come from? |
| 03:42.41 | JustinP | AppleBoy: do you mean BitBake? |
| 03:42.45 | jnc | silly person asking a question |
| 03:42.58 | AppleBoy | yeah |
| 03:43.08 | AppleBoy | that's what it was |
| 03:43.16 | jnc | JustinP: the kernel 2.6.x status page for cxk0 mentions a serial port |
| 03:43.36 | JustinP | jnc: behind the gray plug on the back |
| 03:43.39 | jnc | oh |
| 03:43.41 | AppleBoy | I need to get used to this |
| 03:43.46 | jnc | i thought that was a video port only |
| 03:43.52 | AppleBoy | I keep seeing my cpu spike and think, WTF IS GOING ON!? |
| 03:44.01 | AppleBoy | and then I check and my muscles relax |
| 03:44.06 | jnc | AppleBoy: you can throttle users if ya like |
| 03:44.25 | jnc | and no i don't mean strangle their necks with usb cords |
| 03:44.25 | JustinP | jnc: *video*?? no, it's the same sharp port as on the other zaurii. Only does serial on the cxks |
| 03:44.31 | jnc | ohhh |
| 03:44.32 | AppleBoy | jnc: no need |
| 03:44.37 | AppleBoy | jnc: I don't use it for anything else |
| 03:44.46 | jnc | JustinP: i could have sworn there was a presentation port on the cxk0 |
| 03:44.50 | AppleBoy | and even if I throttled it, I would still see a spike |
| 03:44.52 | JustinP | AppleBoy: bitbake is the build system that OpenEmbedded uses. |
| 03:45.15 | JustinP | jnc: I really don't think that woks for that. You can get a card which has XGA out... |
| 03:45.20 | JustinP | works |
| 03:47.08 | JustinP | AppleBoy: can you please install the cross-2.95.3 tarball on this page: http://oe.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/ZaurusKernels |
| 03:47.26 | JustinP | (and follow the instructions for renaming) |
| 03:47.51 | JustinP | don't alter your path or anything, I'll do that for my build system |
| 03:48.47 | AppleBoy | nothing in portage? |
| 03:48.57 | JustinP | not that I know of, no |
| 03:49.06 | jnc | AppleBoy: do as he says, you can install it to /opt or something |
| 03:49.09 | JustinP | this is a special cross-compiler for the zaurus kernels |
| 03:49.14 | JustinP | jnc: no |
| 03:49.17 | jnc | no? |
| 03:49.23 | jnc | does it need a 32-bit chroot |
| 03:49.30 | JustinP | it has to be installed in /usr/local/arm |
| 03:49.50 | JustinP | due to...something or other... |
| 03:50.38 | JustinP | I think the builds use explicit full paths |
| 03:50.47 | AppleBoy | in a few then |
| 03:50.51 | AppleBoy | a bit busy |
| 03:51.19 | JustinP | fine |
| 03:51.23 | AppleBoy | can you compile it then I change permissions and move it? |
| 03:51.36 | jnc | do a chroot |
| 03:51.41 | jnc | pfft |
| 03:51.47 | JustinP | doesn't need to be compiled, just untarred |
| 03:51.54 | JustinP | and rename a few files |
| 03:52.22 | JustinP | I can't chroot myself |
| 03:52.29 | JustinP | and I still need system libraries and such |
| 03:53.15 | jnc | a user should be able to chroot |
| 03:53.29 | jnc | non? |
| 03:54.11 | JustinP | ::shrug:: I'd still need all the normal binaries and such, it just wouldn't work out |
| 03:54.11 | AppleBoy | downloading... |
| 03:54.18 | jnc | ah |
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| 03:54.59 | darmou | has anyone solved the problem of the opie suspend problem? |
| 03:55.10 | AppleBoy | I've been thinking about setting up UML's for each person or something |
| 03:56.00 | AppleBoy | damn it's big |
| 03:56.22 | AppleBoy | wtf is this /stuff dir? |
| 03:57.16 | JustinP | dont' worry about that |
| 03:57.35 | JustinP | just do the "mv" commands and that's all I need |
| 03:57.55 | AppleBoy | ok, done |
| 03:58.00 | JustinP | thanks |
| 03:58.53 | AppleBoy | see jnc, I'm a good host :) |
| 03:59.05 | JustinP | is this your workstation? |
| 03:59.06 | AppleBoy | (he thinks my server is unworthy) |
| 03:59.08 | AppleBoy | no |
| 03:59.11 | AppleBoy | well, kinda |
| 03:59.17 | JustinP | hehe |
| 03:59.18 | AppleBoy | it's my server, but I use it as a workstation |
| 03:59.22 | JustinP | I see |
| 03:59.31 | AppleBoy | I've got them done finally |
| 03:59.42 | JustinP | I use my server as a TV media player |
| 03:59.58 | JustinP | of course it's pretty slow....which is why I like using your :-) |
| 04:00.07 | AppleBoy | my server is bitchen, but I plan on some upgrades soon |
| 04:00.15 | JustinP | yeah, it is very nice |
| 04:00.40 | JustinP | I started some more compiling. :-) I'll be back in a little bit |
| 04:02.15 | jnc | kyle's server cooks the toast |
| 04:02.29 | AppleBoy | damn right bitch! :P |
| 04:08.44 | jnc | JustinP: hmm.... my /usr/share/icons/hicolor/26x26* is missing |
| 04:32.29 | jnc | JustinP: i think we should be building some from-scratch images to install on our zaurii |
| 04:32.42 | jnc | this upgrade nonsense is not working out well for me |
| 04:32.45 | jnc | :( |
| 04:35.22 | benplaut | AppleBoy: taking donations :P |
| 04:40.16 | jnc | close my nose |
| 04:41.04 | benplaut | - clip - |
| 04:42.27 | JustinP | jnc: I am, in fact, building images right now ;-) |
| 04:42.38 | JustinP | jnc: that's why I needed the 2.95 cross compiler |
| 04:42.39 | jnc | schweet |
| 04:42.51 | jnc | if you are successful, i volunteer to try them out |
| 04:43.34 | JustinP | ok |
| 04:43.36 | jnc | specifically a GPE or dual GPE and OPIE image |
| 04:43.46 | JustinP | damn...opieimage failed |
| 04:44.00 | JustinP | well...I'm not sure how to do a dual image :-| I should look into that |
| 04:44.13 | JustinP | probably wouldn't be so hard |
| 04:44.29 | JustinP | the opie image failed due to a host library getting used...WTF |
| 04:44.38 | JustinP | /usr/lib/libc.a |
| 04:44.41 | jnc | ah |
| 04:44.43 | jnc | that's a mess |
| 04:45.13 | JustinP | yes it is...I had a similar error with the subversion bb files someone just posted to the list |
| 04:46.24 | jnc | it seems like the rotate fix wasn't in the pear.reversefold.com feed |
| 04:46.33 | JustinP | which rotate fix? |
| 04:46.50 | JustinP | yeah, my Opie always starts in portrait |
| 04:46.56 | jnc | there's a rotate fix |
| 04:47.06 | jnc | i forgot what it was, but now it is wiped out eh |
| 04:47.07 | JustinP | but I got GPE to start right...except portrait was 180 degrees off for some reason... |
| 04:47.19 | JustinP | well if it's in OE it should be in my builds |
| 04:47.27 | JustinP | "should" |
| 04:48.03 | JustinP | assuming it's in the openzaurus-3.5.4 set |
| 04:48.16 | jnc | oh okay |
| 04:48.21 | jnc | yeah i think it might be fixed there |
| 04:49.49 | JustinP | well...that's what I've been using for a while |
| 04:51.11 | JustinP | anyway the GPE build will hopefully work... |
| 04:51.48 | JustinP | argh. I can't believe I overwrote some of my libraries... |
| 04:54.06 | JustinP | hmmm..../var is back |
| 04:54.22 | JustinP | it was getting mounted as tmpfs for some odd reason... |
| 04:54.28 | JustinP | *whew* |
| 04:54.51 | JustinP | (I wish I could get parted working so I can make another testing partition...) |
| 04:56.09 | JustinP | jnc: have you tested it yet? |
| 04:56.19 | jnc | mmm? |
| 04:56.27 | JustinP | parted |
| 04:56.28 | jnc | tested what when? |
| 04:56.31 | jnc | oh, no i haven't |
| 04:56.38 | jnc | completely forgot about it d'oh |
| 04:56.52 | JustinP | you didn't *have* to upgrade from my feed you know...you could have just installed parted |
| 04:57.10 | jnc | yeah |
| 04:57.11 | jnc | i goofed |
| 04:57.16 | jnc | now terminal won't start |
| 04:57.21 | JustinP | pff |
| 04:57.24 | JustinP | no terminal? |
| 04:57.28 | jnc | no terminal |
| 04:57.37 | jnc | i'm logged in via wifi ssh session |
| 04:57.40 | JustinP | you mean the terminal in opie? |
| 04:57.44 | jnc | gpe terminal |
| 04:57.48 | JustinP | oh that |
| 04:57.49 | jnc | unicode-rxvt i think |
| 04:57.55 | JustinP | you're not logged in as root I take it? |
| 04:58.11 | JustinP | non-root terminal doesn't work in gpe for some reason |
| 04:58.16 | JustinP | root shell should work fine |
| 04:58.20 | jnc | oh |
| 04:58.22 | jnc | strange |
| 04:58.25 | jnc | maybe permissions |
| 04:58.32 | JustinP | and you can always "chvt 1" to go back to the normal shell |
| 04:58.35 | jnc | /etc/securetty or something |
| 04:58.36 | JustinP | yes, some kind of permissions |
| 04:58.41 | JustinP | if you know how to fix it.... |
| 04:58.45 | jnc | i found the page with the rotate fix |
| 04:58.52 | JustinP | where? |
| 04:59.14 | jnc | http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=13543&pid=86698&st=0&#entry86698 |
| 05:00.57 | JustinP | heh, yeah, that's what I edited to fix the rotation |
| 05:01.04 | JustinP | start GPE in portrait now, though |
| 05:01.11 | JustinP | it will be flipped |
| 05:01.30 | AppleBoy | benplaut: donations?? |
| 05:01.41 | AppleBoy | of course, my paypal email is kyle@randomvoids.com |
| 05:01.44 | AppleBoy | feel free :) |
| 05:01.50 | AppleBoy | bbiam |
| 05:02.31 | jnc | wget: Unable to connect to remote host (67.169.167.134): Connection timed out |
| 05:02.34 | jnc | hmm |
| 05:03.06 | JustinP | for my feed? |
| 05:03.21 | benplaut | AppleBoy: your old hardware ;) |
| 05:03.30 | jnc | yeah, looks like |
| 05:03.32 | AppleBoy | I don't have old hardware |
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| 05:03.39 | jnc | i'm trying a direct wget now |
| 05:03.44 | JustinP | seems to be working for me...try again |
| 05:03.46 | jnc | seems to work fine |
| 05:03.55 | jnc | i think my Z is just fubared |
| 05:03.56 | JustinP | (then again I'm inside the network ;-) that |
| 05:04.02 | JustinP | 's also my NAT box) |
| 05:04.42 | jnc | the icons seem to have moved in GPE |
| 05:04.51 | JustinP | moved? |
| 05:04.53 | jnc | everything is a mess |
| 05:05.04 | jnc | yeah there used to be icons in /usr/share/icons/hicolor/26x26 |
| 05:05.21 | jnc | now some are in /usr/share/gpe/pixmaps/default |
| 05:05.30 | jnc | i don't know |
| 05:05.41 | JustinP | hmmm....I thought they were all in /usr/share/pixmaps |
| 05:05.44 | jnc | i could not say for sure, since my software base is inconsistent |
| 05:06.03 | jnc | installing parted now |
| 05:06.09 | JustinP | :-) |
| 05:06.58 | JustinP | I added an e2fsck to the boot process before the root is mounted since most of my reboots are from crashes |
| 05:07.14 | jnc | maybe it is coincidence, mine booted only after i pluged it into USB and assigned usb0 an IP addr |
| 05:07.18 | jnc | i think it is coincidence |
| 05:07.23 | jnc | i did that twice |
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| 05:07.45 | jnc | parted runs |
| 05:07.47 | jnc | prints the table |
| 05:08.00 | JustinP | now try resizing something (like hda3) |
| 05:08.13 | JustinP | heh |
| 05:08.18 | jnc | what's a good idea, would you say to resize it? |
| 05:08.32 | JustinP | I'd say try to make it a bit smaller |
| 05:08.33 | jnc | i'd like to do what you said and have the SHARP ROM on like factory original |
| 05:08.37 | jnc | okay |
| 05:08.43 | JustinP | then make hda3 smaller |
| 05:09.09 | AppleBoy | JustinP: how long does this compile part take? |
| 05:09.28 | JustinP | I made it ~700M smaller and made a 200M swap and 500M root partition |
| 05:09.49 | jnc | how much of your root does get used up? |
| 05:10.11 | jnc | oh weird, there's ... |
| 05:10.14 | JustinP | AppleBoy: well I can't say for sure. I'm attempting to compile an image...hopefully it's pretty close. Why, do you need me to tone it down? |
| 05:10.17 | jnc | 1 32kB 105MB 105MB primary ext3 |
| 05:10.17 | jnc | 2 105MB 526MB 421MB primary ext3 |
| 05:10.40 | AppleBoy | JustinP: no, I'm just wondering, because when my HD is full speed it takes me longer to go to sleep |
| 05:10.42 | jnc | what's hda1 and what's hda2? |
| 05:10.46 | AppleBoy | but once I'm out, nothing can wake me up |
| 05:10.51 | JustinP | jnc: well I'm at ~100MB free right now but I have opie, GPE, and a whole mess of other things installed plus a bunch of my own files |
| 05:10.55 | AppleBoy | I've slept through 5.4 earthquakes without waking up |
| 05:11.03 | jnc | AppleBoy: go to sleep |
| 05:11.18 | JustinP | jnc: hda1 is the normal root partition (what you're running on now) |
| 05:11.24 | jnc | interesting |
| 05:11.27 | jnc | so what is hda2 |
| 05:11.36 | jnc | for 421mb |
| 05:11.38 | JustinP | jnc: hda2 is the "program area" where the Sharp ROM installs things |
| 05:11.43 | jnc | oh |
| 05:11.53 | jnc | i'm not using that am i |
| 05:11.57 | JustinP | the root root is in flash |
| 05:12.12 | JustinP | no, you shouldn't be...I think the normal OZ image only uses hda1 |
| 05:12.27 | JustinP | AppleBoy: I can stop it for a while if you like |
| 05:12.33 | AppleBoy | don't worry |
| 05:13.01 | JustinP | I wouldn't lose anything, I'd just suspend the compile |
| 05:13.15 | JustinP | and wake it up in 45 minutes or so |
| 05:13.31 | jnc | kyle needs to grow up and take some college responsibilities |
| 05:13.45 | jnc | with all the fine female hankey pankey that goes with it |
| 05:14.01 | jnc | soon, kyle |
| 05:14.16 | AppleBoy | JustinP: if it suspends without loosing, if you could stop it in 5 minutes for say 30 minutes, that would be nice |
| 05:14.19 | JustinP | but I sure finished lots of video games :-| |
| 05:14.25 | AppleBoy | lol |
| 05:14.27 | jnc | heh |
| 05:14.28 | JustinP | AppleBoy: no problem |
| 05:14.30 | jnc | verynice |
| 05:14.58 | JustinP | BEEEEEEEOOOOoooooo...... |
| 05:15.01 | jnc | JustinP: what to do about /home ? |
| 05:15.15 | JustinP | what about it? |
| 05:15.18 | jnc | oh |
| 05:15.35 | jnc | where do user files fit into the Z scheme |
| 05:15.42 | jnc | or rather where should they on OZ |
| 05:15.52 | jnc | i like how GPE runs with a normal user |
| 05:16.02 | jnc | OPE does not seem to have that |
| 05:16.08 | jnc | unless i missed it |
| 05:16.22 | jnc | Assertion (start_range != NULL) at constraint.c:45 in function |
| 05:16.22 | jnc | ped_constraint_init() failed. |
| 05:16.25 | jnc | parted error |
| 05:16.28 | jnc | what should i do |
| 05:17.03 | JustinP | jnc: same thing I got, go ahead and cancel |
| 05:17.16 | JustinP | looks like there's a problem with the parted compile or one of the libraries |
| 05:17.31 | jnc | possibly the kernel |
| 05:17.33 | jnc | i don't know |
| 05:17.35 | JustinP | well...I don't know if there is any special /home mount in OZ as it stands for the apitz |
| 05:17.39 | jnc | i've heard that fdisk has a similar problem |
| 05:17.50 | JustinP | jnc: well I for parted working on Sharp ROM with a similar kernel |
| 05:17.58 | jnc | hmm |
| 05:18.00 | jnc | could be libs |
| 05:18.13 | jnc | the fdisk problem would be one thing to look at |
| 05:18.16 | jnc | people have fixed that |
| 05:18.24 | jnc | using special version of gcc i think |
| 05:18.35 | JustinP | fdisk problem? |
| 05:18.47 | jnc | fdisk does not see boundries correctly in OZ |
| 05:18.52 | jnc | you need a special fdisk version |
| 05:18.54 | JustinP | hmmmm... |
| 05:19.09 | JustinP | documentation? |
| 05:19.19 | jnc | would have to google for it hang on |
| 05:19.22 | jnc | try it out though |
| 05:19.24 | jnc | sudo fdisk -l |
| 05:19.41 | jnc | then it spits out things mentioning non cylinder boundries |
| 05:20.58 | JustinP | I don't see any messages like that.... |
| 05:21.12 | JustinP | then again I have altered my partitions ;-) |
| 05:21.14 | jnc | oh you don't |
| 05:21.17 | jnc | hm |
| 05:21.38 | JustinP | I think I may have before I used parted before |
| 05:21.57 | jnc | " OK, it seems that enabling -mstructure-size-boundary=8 forces gcc to generate a working version of fdisk 2.12a |
| 05:22.00 | jnc | " |
| 05:22.04 | jnc | http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=6418&pid=39824&mode=threaded&show=&st=&#entry39824 |
| 05:25.31 | AppleBoy | pwned people! |
| 05:25.34 | JustinP | I dont' see either of those things in the bb files for util-linux.... |
| 05:25.40 | AppleBoy | ok, 10:40 my time you can turn it back on :) |
| 05:25.50 | JustinP | ok |
| 05:26.04 | JustinP | sleep well |
| 05:29.54 | jnc | JustinP: google cache http://tinyurl.com/95pnu |
| 05:31.01 | jnc | oooh, new location for above cache: http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=6520 |
| 05:32.33 | JustinP | ok.... |
| 05:36.01 | JustinP | all that's for the Sharp ROM, though.... |
| 05:38.27 | jnc | oh |
| 05:40.01 | jnc | well the fdisk that is packaged in busybox sucks |
| 05:40.08 | jnc | it does not work correctly |
| 05:40.55 | JustinP | is there a util-linux ipk? |
| 05:41.08 | JustinP | (in the feeds) |
| 05:41.38 | JustinP | yep, there's on my feed ;-) |
| 05:41.40 | JustinP | and cfdisk |
| 05:42.21 | jnc | hm |
| 05:42.50 | JustinP | not sure if there's on in the official feeds |
| 05:43.14 | dhr | any idea why -mstructure-size-boundary=8 is needed? |
| 05:43.22 | JustinP | nope |
| 05:43.40 | JustinP | I'm not that deep into it all yet |
| 05:43.59 | jnc | i'm not knowlegable |
| 05:44.14 | JustinP | (meaning I don't even know what that flag does ;-) |
| 05:44.16 | jnc | if i had to guess, perhaps due to an 8 or 16 bit interface |
| 05:44.24 | dhr | It smells like code that makes assumptions about structure layout. Probably needs one struct definition fixed with some alignment attributes. |
| 05:44.34 | jnc | like bit packing |
| 05:44.41 | JustinP | possibly |
| 05:44.45 | jnc | pragma whoring! |
| 05:44.48 | JustinP | perhaps cfdisk would work better? |
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| 05:45.20 | JustinP | yep, there's a util-linux in the official feeds |
| 05:45.29 | JustinP | 2.12o |
| 05:45.48 | JustinP | whoop, I just got 2.12q compiled on dioxide |
| 05:45.54 | jnc | trying it now |
| 05:45.55 | jnc | haha |
| 05:46.15 | JustinP | I have to update the package index and I'll try it out... |
| 05:46.17 | jnc | i wish ipkg were not so freaking slow |
| 05:46.33 | JustinP | yeah.... |
| 05:47.11 | dhr | I take it that all of you are gpe folks. I'm having problems with ope. But they may be ones that you've encountered. |
| 05:47.16 | jnc | wowwwww |
| 05:47.27 | JustinP | I do both |
| 05:47.37 | jnc | some adventurous soul modified his SL-C3000 to have 2 external CF slots |
| 05:47.37 | dhr | I've got oz 3.5.3 flashed on my 6000. |
| 05:47.39 | AppleBoy | JustinP: my server is emerge -uD world 'ing right now, so don't expect it to be the fastest for you |
| 05:47.43 | AppleBoy | I'm off to bed |
| 05:47.51 | dhr | sleep tight. |
| 05:47.55 | jnc | http://www.ayati.com/kobako/c3cf2.htm |
| 05:48.00 | JustinP | ah...I thought you were already asleep |
| 05:49.43 | JustinP | hmmm...I like my microdrive |
| 05:50.26 | dhr | my 6000's 802.11b doesnt' seem to work since I did an "update-modules". I would have expected that to be a benign command. |
| 05:50.58 | JustinP | sorry, I'm not sure what that does....and I'm heading to bed |
| 05:51.05 | JustinP | sleep well all |
| 05:51.08 | dhr | goo night |
| 05:51.20 | JustinP | hopefully we'll have more images done tomorrow |
| 05:51.26 | jnc | 'nite JP |
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| 06:00.01 | alan_ | hi ! |
| 06:02.50 | dhr | hi |
| 06:04.14 | alan_ | dhr : is it late in the night or early in the morning for you ? |
| 06:04.40 | dhr | 2:00 AM. |
| 06:04.58 | alan_ | hehe... let's say both, so... |
| 06:05.24 | dhr | Trying to get my 6000 ready so that I can use it at Ottawa Linux Symposium starting tomorrow (for either meaning of that word). |
| 06:05.29 | dhr | I've left it a bit late. |
| 06:05.48 | alan_ | and you are stuck into what part ? |
| 06:06.07 | jdims | whats a good app for playing mp3s on collie |
| 06:06.08 | dhr | All I think that I need to fix is 802.11b. I'm using oz 3.5.3 |
| 06:06.50 | alan_ | can't help you with wifi, but for mp3, i use mplayer... |
| 06:07.24 | dhr | my /etc/modules seems to have very few entries. It is generated by update-modules. I ran update-modules and I blame it for breakage (may be a false accusation). |
| 06:07.33 | jdims | ok cool thought that would work alan_ |
| 06:07.34 | dhr | what do you have in /etc/modules? |
| 06:14.14 | alan_ | dhr: excuse me... |
| 06:14.17 | alan_ | i'm back |
| 06:15.35 | alan_ | dhr: i have hidp, ipv6 ircomm-tty and rfcomm but it is a personnal build and it is GPE |
| 06:16.00 | dhr | I'm not sure that gpe/ope makes a difference in kernel modules. |
| 06:20.34 | alan_ | don't know... i guess it doesn't |
| 06:25.41 | dhr | I need to take a peek into a jffs2 image (opie-image-tosa-20050409225341.rootfs.jffs2). My desktop doesn't have jffs2. Does OZ support loopback mounts? |
| 06:26.49 | jdims | yes |
| 06:26.55 | alan_ | i would say yes |
| 06:26.56 | jdims | well i dont think oz3.5.1 |
| 06:27.02 | jdims | but i know 3.5.3 does |
| 06:27.37 | dhr | thanks, Ive got 3.5.3. Saves me having to discover this myself. |
| 06:28.20 | jdims | http://openzaurus.org/wordpress/howto/root-on-sd/ |
| 06:28.37 | jdims | losetup /dev/loop0 opie.img |
| 06:28.52 | jdims | they setup a loop device in this guide by JustinP, i believe. |
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| 06:32.48 | dhr | hmmm. It looks as if my desktop does have jffs2, but isn't willing to use it on loopback. From dmesg: JFFS2 version 2.2. (NAND) (C) 2001-2003 Red Hat, Inc. |
| 06:32.48 | dhr | Attempt to mount non-MTD device "/dev/loop3" as JFFS2 |
| 06:36.58 | alan_ | dhr: on my mandrake 10.2, in //lib/modules/2.6.11-6mdk/kernel/fs/ i have a jffs2 module... |
| 06:37.37 | alan_ | so modprobe jffs2 might be needed... |
| 06:40.42 | dhr | It looks as if JFFS2 requires device to be MTD, which loopback isn't. Seems silly. |
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| 06:41.08 | dhr | see http://glide.stanford.edu/lxr/source/fs/jffs2/super.c?v=linux-2.6.10 line 250 |
| 06:46.44 | dhr | http://ds9a.nl/klogbot/?year=2004&month=4&day=2&hour=14 may explain this. |
| 06:58.20 | dhr | darn. It seems as if it cannot be loop mounted. See one of the FAQs in http://www.linux-mtd.infradead.org/faq/jffs2.html |
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| 07:50.34 | alan_ | yop XorA ! hi hrw|work ! |
| 07:51.58 | XorA | hey alan |
| 07:52.10 | XorA | hows your life of oe going? |
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| 07:54.25 | alan_ | XorA: well... i think i've done my newbie errors (erasing /org.oe.dev, messing all my installation, spending 5 hours to have everything back, things like that...) so i guess now i can really try to do what i want. |
| 07:54.55 | XorA | :-D |
| 07:55.27 | alan_ | XorA: hehe... ^^' |
| 07:59.21 | alan_ | XorA: minimo makes my gpe-image build fail, but it didn't last time... i don't understand why. |
| 08:00.26 | XorA | alan_: cvsdate probably changed to a non compiling one |
| 08:00.50 | XorA | alan_: if you edit packages/meta/gpe-*.bb you can remove minimo as dependency |
| 08:00.55 | XorA | alan_: or replace it with firefox |
| 08:01.09 | XorA | alan_: as long as your flash is big enough, firefox is 8meg |
| 08:02.28 | alan_ | hoho... great ! |
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| 08:46.04 | jdims | whats the default background filename and path in opie (latest) to change the bg? |
| 08:47.48 | hrw|work | jdims: run settings/launcher, then switch to "tabs" and there you can change it to anything |
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| 08:48.30 | jdims | thanks |
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| 09:10.59 | alan_ | thanks XorA : rmoving minimo solved my troubles. |
| 09:26.01 | XorA | alan_: was it a compile fail for minimo? |
| 09:31.56 | alan_ | yep. |
| 09:33.09 | XorA | alan_: what bitbake are you using? I only ask because I get a wierd error with minimo |
| 09:33.51 | alan_ | XorA: BitBake Build Tool Core version 1.3.0, bitbake version 1.3.1 |
| 09:34.09 | alan_ | build error message : http://pastebin.ca/18043 |
| 09:35.00 | hrw|work | alan_: you need to update patch or revert CVSDATE for minimo |
| 09:37.19 | alan_ | hrw|work: does minimo work now ? |
| 09:37.56 | hrw|work | how could I know? |
| 09:38.03 | XorA | alan_: it kind of works |
| 09:38.57 | alan_ | kind of works ? mmm... so i guess i'll wait until it really works. |
| 09:39.10 | XorA | alan_: it will render a page sometimes :-) |
| 09:39.18 | alan_ | great ! |
| 09:39.22 | alan_ | :) |
| 09:39.23 | XorA | alan_: gpe-minibrowser is better |
| 09:39.27 | XorA | firefox rules |
| 09:40.09 | alan_ | ha ? i don't know gpe-minibrowser... firefox is a good browser, but it's so long to load... |
| 09:40.36 | VladDrac | does anyone know what might be involved in getting the 'fn' key to work with opie in c3000? |
| 09:44.19 | XorA | VladDrac: fixing the keymap |
| 09:46.43 | VladDrac | what fix? :) |
| 09:46.49 | VladDrac | it seems it's already fixed in the upstream version |
| 09:50.34 | XorA | VladDrac: you would have to check that in oe then |
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| 11:43.11 | alan_ | XorA: there is a X11vnc in your feed. Does it work ? |
| 11:45.22 | XorA | alan_: yes |
| 11:54.32 | alan_ | XorA: you mean you don't have this stupid orientation bug ? |
| 11:55.29 | alan_ | i once ran vnc (i think it wason OPIE) but the window was rotated by 90°... |
| 11:56.03 | XorA | alan_: its the same way as X |
| 11:57.45 | alan_ | ok. great. |
| 12:03.01 | cosmo- | JustinP: are you planning to update the root on sd doc some time? i could write down the bugs in it |
| 12:03.25 | cosmo- | there are some mentioned in the comments also |
| 12:06.15 | cosmo- | i tried to do the image on sd trick but it failed. then i created a ext2 fs on sd but it seems to be corrupted now |
| 12:18.04 | alan_ | Xora : mplayer-atty_1.1.5-r2_c7x0.ipk is the osd corrected version ? |
| 12:21.49 | XorA | alan_: yes |
| 12:22.00 | alan_ | good |
| 12:28.44 | Ycros | is there a howto somewhere on editing keymaps? |
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| 12:30.30 | alan_ | Ycros: if you find one, let me know please. |
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| 12:31.00 | Ycros | the only thing I'm missing is { and }, which would help greatly with coding |
| 12:35.16 | hrw|work | Ycros: editing keymap is quite easy if you have keymap already dumped |
| 12:35.29 | hrw|work | Ycros: man dumpkeys;man loadkeys etc |
| 12:35.39 | Ycros | like... in opie? |
| 12:35.50 | Ycros | I don't even have loadkeys installed... :E |
| 12:36.20 | hrw|work | Ycros: ipkg install console-tools -force-overwrite |
| 12:36.40 | hrw|work | and do it under plain console - not in opie/gpe |
| 12:36.52 | Ycros | does it come across into opie though? |
| 12:37.08 | Ycros | I want to essentially bind the two japanese brackets to { and } |
| 12:37.27 | Ycros | they currently aren't bound to anything at all. |
| 12:38.06 | hrw|work | opie will read kernel keymap |
| 12:41.34 | Ycros | hmm |
| 12:41.47 | Ycros | can I bind something to switch between virtual terminals too? that would rock. |
| 12:43.51 | hrw|work | you can |
| 12:44.48 | hrw|work | keycode 105 = Left |
| 12:44.48 | hrw|work | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:44.48 | hrw|work | keycode 106 = Right |
| 12:44.48 | hrw|work | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:44.54 | hrw|work | thats from c7x0 keymap |
| 12:55.23 | Ycros | Cool. |
| 12:55.52 | Ycros | not that I have an alt. |
| 12:57.14 | hrw|work | Fn under 2.6 is AltGr |
| 13:01.35 | Ycros | right. I'm not running 2.6. |
| 13:05.37 | hrw|work | run "showkey" under console and press "Fn" |
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| 14:00.31 | alan_ | XorA: your feed seems to be down... |
| 14:03.39 | XorA | alan_: it is, lacking in bandwidth |
| 14:03.48 | alan_ | ok. |
| 14:04.05 | XorA | alan_: anything you need? |
| 14:05.28 | alan_ | yeah : ttf-dejavu. but i'm building it myself. Btw : which font should i uninstall to have abiword working ? |
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| 14:06.14 | XorA | bitstream-vera |
| 14:06.47 | XorA | but beware, your GPE fonts will go a bit screwy until you re-configure them |
| 14:07.26 | alan_ | ho... and how do i reconfigure them ? |
| 14:07.43 | XorA | Look and Feel settings |
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| 14:09.07 | alan_ | raaahhh... i don't understand why some parts of gpe-conf cannot be launched through the icon on the desktop... |
| 14:09.25 | XorA | which parts? |
| 14:09.57 | alan_ | look and feel for exemple... |
| 14:11.01 | XorA | alan_: wierd, works here |
| 14:11.55 | alan_ | mmm... never worked here anyway. |
| 14:12.12 | alan_ | the strange thing is i can launch it from command line... |
| 14:14.37 | alan_ | ^^ |
| 14:18.10 | cosmo- | is there a irc channel for pdaxrom? |
| 14:19.01 | VladDrac | #cacko I think |
| 14:19.12 | cosmo- | it looks really powerful, but the 5500 version isn't very mature i believe |
| 14:19.45 | XorA | cosmo-: OZ/GPEhas pretty much the same features |
| 14:20.33 | cosmo- | it was quite unstable when i tried it |
| 14:20.41 | alan_ | XorA: Pdaxrom Vs GPE : round 115545125458442 : FIGHT !!! |
| 14:20.58 | cosmo- | although i have now a SD card so root isn't always that full |
| 14:21.55 | XorA | cosmo-: pdaXrom isnt particularly stable even on its c7x0 origins |
| 14:22.01 | cosmo- | i think i'll install opie again.. if i figure out how to boot it from image on sd |
| 14:23.11 | alan_ | XorA: \o/ |
| 14:23.53 | alan_ | XorA: the comic is excellent, btw |
| 14:24.08 | cosmo- | pdaxrom has quake, opie has only doom ;) |
| 14:24.39 | alan_ | right... but pdaxrom freezes as much as my mswindows... |
| 14:25.08 | alan_ | </troll> |
| 14:25.11 | cosmo- | yep. the screenshots look nice though.. firefox, thunderbird, etc.. |
| 14:26.22 | yipstar | you guys are kidding about doom on opie right? |
| 14:26.47 | cosmo- | i haven't tried it, but there seems to be ipk |
| 14:26.52 | yipstar | no way! |
| 14:26.58 | yipstar | what feed? |
| 14:27.15 | yipstar | and do you mind telling me where I can get firefox and thunderbird from? |
| 14:27.17 | XorA | alan_: SS2 comic? |
| 14:27.21 | alan_ | cosmo-: seriously, pdaxrom is a good rom. It turns your Z into a real laptop. You should test it. But i guess you'll come back then to OZ because pdaxrom is not really stable. |
| 14:27.21 | XorA | alan_: SF2 |
| 14:27.26 | alan_ | XorA: yeah ! |
| 14:27.29 | XorA | alan_: seen the SF2 cartoon? |
| 14:27.41 | alan_ | XorA: yeah ! 3 days ago ^^ |
| 14:27.41 | cosmo- | hm, i don't remember if doom was in default opie feed |
| 14:27.48 | XorA | alan_: cool |
| 14:27.59 | XorA | alan_: I used to have all the MK comics, but I seem to have lost them |
| 14:28.24 | cosmo- | alan_: yep.. i'd like to get a working and useful zaurus first and later test unstable stuff |
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| 14:28.57 | cosmo- | yipstar: http://www.gnurou.org/software/zaurus/ |
| 14:28.59 | hrw|work | oz 3.5.4 will have quake |
| 14:29.26 | alan_ | hrw|work: with a descent 3D ? |
| 14:29.39 | cosmo- | does anyone know where to find working UAE? it exists but all links are broken |
| 14:29.44 | hrw|work | just to close mouths for all those 'pdaxrom' lovers |
| 14:29.58 | hrw|work | alan_: you are joking? |
| 14:30.28 | alan_ | cosmo-: to me, the most stable official release is OZ 3.5.3 Opie for now. but 3.5.4 will sure be even better !! |
| 14:30.42 | XorA | hrw|work: kidding about descent why? |
| 14:30.43 | alan_ | hrw|work: ;) |
| 14:31.00 | hrw|work | ah.. descent != decent |
| 14:31.05 | alan_ | oups... |
| 14:31.35 | alan_ | what does descent mean ? |
| 14:31.46 | cosmo- | it's a game |
| 14:31.47 | alan_ | ~dict descent |
| 14:31.50 | XorA | alan_: its a game from quake era, 3d space ships in tunnels |
| 14:32.53 | alan_ | ^^' |
| 14:34.47 | XorA | anyway, on a C860 descent is very playable |
| 14:34.57 | XorA | s/descent/quake |
| 14:35.04 | VladDrac | *&(^(*& pda's |
| 14:35.31 | alan_ | mmm... i think i installed it on pdaxrom once... was working... but i don't like thiose fps games anymore. |
| 14:35.43 | alan_ | my kingdom for snes9x !! |
| 14:35.45 | VladDrac | only to find out that after installation you have to register online and pay $80 :( |
| 14:36.19 | alan_ | VladDrac: so do i ! |
| 14:36.33 | alan_ | did youtry the Yeti 3D ? |
| 14:36.41 | VladDrac | no, it's a game? |
| 14:37.07 | alan_ | yeah ! demo tech of a free (?) fps. it's impressive. |
| 14:37.16 | alan_ | have a look a gbadev |
| 14:37.21 | alan_ | at* |
| 14:37.27 | VladDrac | url? |
| 14:37.33 | alan_ | gbadev.org ? |
| 14:37.42 | VladDrac | ah ok :) |
| 14:37.45 | XorA | need to clock the GBA to 200MHZ :-) |
| 14:38.28 | alan_ | VladDrac: http://www.theteahouse.com.au/gba/bin/yeti3d_final.zip |
| 14:38.42 | alan_ | my kingdom for VisualBoyAdvance !! |
| 14:38.48 | VladDrac | is it playable? |
| 14:38.52 | VladDrac | any screenshots? |
| 14:39.41 | cosmo- | does frodo or any other c64-emulator really work on opie? |
| 14:41.07 | cosmo- | c64 has the best games in small files |
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| 14:46.55 | hrw|work | I prefer atari 8bit |
| 14:49.29 | VladDrac | "atari classic" |
| 14:49.35 | VladDrac | probably containing all 2600 games ever or so |
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| 15:22.23 | yipstar | thanks for the link before to whomever it was that supplied it, I had to reboot my box. |
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| 15:24.45 | Exis | Is there anywhere I can find some documentation on making wireless work on my 5600 with the latest version of OZ? |
| 15:24.56 | Exis | or, failing that, could someone walk me through it? |
| 15:25.28 | hrw|work | what is a problem? |
| 15:25.50 | Exis | I have no clue where to even start. |
| 15:25.54 | hrw|work | can you tell me which year "uname -a" return on your 5600? |
| 15:26.04 | Exis | one sec |
| 15:27.56 | hrw|work | ok |
| 15:29.49 | Exis | got it |
| 15:30.34 | hrw|work | and it is? |
| 15:30.48 | Exis | Linux poodle 2.4.18-rmk7-pxa3-embedix #1 Tue, 19 Apr 2005 15:05:40 +0200 armu5tel unknown |
| 15:31.14 | Exis | (I typed that, so there may be a typo or two, but it's otherwise correct) |
| 15:31.32 | hrw|work | ok. so it looks like OZ kernel |
| 15:31.36 | hrw|work | what card you have? |
| 15:31.51 | Exis | it's a Linksys compactflash card |
| 15:32.02 | hrw|work | wcf12? |
| 15:32.19 | Exis | yup |
| 15:32.24 | hrw|work | you have hostap-modules-cs installed (atleast should as they are by default) |
| 15:32.33 | yipstar | so I have a bit of a bluetooth dilemna with openzaurus 3.5.3, I have two cards an Ambicom BT2000D (which is known not to work I believe) and a Blue Monkey card (which is known to work I believe) |
| 15:32.37 | Exis | lemme look |
| 15:32.50 | yipstar | I will gladly donate one card to anyone who can help me set the other one up |
| 15:32.56 | hrw|work | Exis: when you insert card then hostap_cs should be loaded |
| 15:33.09 | hrw|work | yipstar: you have which machine? |
| 15:33.14 | yipstar | c860 |
| 15:33.20 | hrw|work | yipstar: with 2.6 kernel? |
| 15:33.21 | yipstar | husky |
| 15:33.23 | yipstar | yup |
| 15:33.40 | CoreDump|home | yipstar: can't help you w/ CF cardfs. Only used an USB BT dongle so far |
| 15:33.44 | hrw|work | yipstar: could you paste 'cardctl ident' of both of those cards? |
| 15:34.11 | yipstar | hrw|work |
| 15:34.42 | yipstar | can't type today |
| 15:34.44 | yipstar | coming up... |
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| 15:36.46 | yipstar | hrw|work my blue monkey card comes up as Bluetooth BT0100M iirc correctly, I'm waiting for the device to boot up |
| 15:36.49 | RockClimber | I tried to do the updates after flashing 3.5.3 and got an error about lack of space. I set the ipkg temp dir to the CF card, but the whole process still crashed during update requiring a reflash. Any tips on doing all the updates required to upgrade to the -r21 kernel. All this is on Collie |
| 15:37.39 | alan_ | XorA: i always have this error : "unable to open database /root/.gpe/categories" What is in this file ? |
| 15:37.48 | XorA | alan_: no idea |
| 15:37.54 | Exis | yes, hostmap_modules_cs is installed |
| 15:38.20 | alan_ | XorA: can you take a look at yours please ? |
| 15:38.32 | hrw|work | yipstar: card "CSR BT01x0M Bluetooth CF Card" |
| 15:38.35 | hrw|work | yipstar: that one? |
| 15:39.15 | hrw|work | yipstar: if it is then install kernel-module-serial-cs |
| 15:39.21 | yipstar | hrw|work: my battery was low, the thing is almost booted and I will be able to check |
| 15:39.32 | yipstar | hrw|work: I installed that kernel module I believe |
| 15:39.50 | hrw|work | Exis: after insert of card you should get "hostap-cs" module loaded - try "lsmod" |
| 15:46.47 | Exis | hostap-cs is in there |
| 15:47.57 | yipstar | hrw|work The Blue Monkey card is product info: "Bluetooth BT0100M", "", "" |
| 15:48.18 | hrw|work | Exis: does "iwconfig" list wifi0/wlan0 interfaces? |
| 15:48.36 | Exis | nope |
| 15:49.37 | hrw|work | yipstar: look does you have it at the end of /etc/pcmcia/bluetooth.conf |
| 15:49.40 | hrw|work | Exis: ;( |
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| 15:49.54 | hrw|work | Exis: never had that problem on 5500 or c760 |
| 15:50.33 | Exis | :( |
| 15:50.51 | yipstar | hrw|work: there is no entry for it |
| 15:51.01 | hrw|work | yipstar: add that: |
| 15:51.02 | hrw|work | card "CSR BT01x0M Bluetooth CF Card" |
| 15:51.02 | hrw|work | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:51.02 | hrw|work | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:51.11 | yipstar | k |
| 15:53.10 | hrw|work | yipstar: you probably need to restart pcmcia after that |
| 15:53.19 | hrw|work | and/or bluetooth too |
| 15:53.55 | hrw|work | Exis: noone joined OZ team with 5600 so we will drop support for that model |
| 15:57.47 | yipstar | hrw|work: ok I did all tht |
| 15:58.11 | yipstar | but when I try to restart bluetooth with /etc/init.d/bluetooth restart it tells me file not found |
| 15:58.20 | yipstar | but the file is there |
| 15:58.30 | yipstar | I think I may have uninstalled something I shouldn't have |
| 15:58.35 | yipstar | there are lots of howtos out there |
| 15:58.41 | hrw|work | yipstar: stop/start - no restart there |
| 15:59.16 | yipstar | yes, but it can't find the file bluetooth |
| 15:59.19 | yipstar | the run control file |
| 15:59.23 | yipstar | even though it exists |
| 15:59.48 | yipstar | do I need to install any packages other than what comes with 0z 3.5.3? |
| 16:00.50 | yipstar | ipkg list_installed | grep blue gives me |
| 16:01.30 | yipstar | hrw|work: bluez-csr-serial |
| 16:01.35 | yipstar | bluez-zaurus |
| 16:01.47 | yipstar | kernel-module-bluecard-cs |
| 16:01.56 | yipstar | libbluetooth1 |
| 16:01.58 | yipstar | that's it |
| 16:02.05 | yipstar | maybe I don't have the right driver? |
| 16:02.45 | hrw|work | kernel-module-serial-cs should be enough probably but I dont know - my card is not serial based one |
| 16:02.59 | yipstar | perms are wrong on the bluetooth file, let me change those |
| 16:03.17 | hrw|work | cu |
| 16:03.19 | hrw|work | time to go home |
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| 16:12.58 | JustinP | cosmo-: Which doc is this? I wrote the Opie + GPE howto, not the root on SD one. BTW, moving root to SD *should* be done with rboot now. |
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| 18:10.36 | cosmo- | JustinP: i ment the root on sd, sorry |
| 18:11.37 | JustinP | cosmo-: yes you said root on sd...as I said, I didn't write that one |
| 18:11.39 | cosmo- | who wrote the root on SD one? it has some flaws that could be corrected |
| 18:11.47 | JustinP | not sure |
| 18:11.53 | JustinP | but you should probably use rboot instead |
| 18:12.21 | cosmo- | it uses rboot i think |
| 18:12.29 | JustinP | ok |
| 18:12.42 | JustinP | well....send something to the OZ mailing list |
| 18:12.44 | JustinP | sorry |
| 18:13.07 | cosmo- | i'll try it once more and post the errors to the list |
| 18:14.21 | JustinP | thanks |
| 18:15.14 | hrw | try altboot from CoreDump instead of rboot ;) |
| 18:15.32 | JustinP | there's *another* one now? |
| 18:16.20 | JustinP | what's this one do? |
| 18:16.53 | CoreDump|home | which reminds me...It's really time to update the .bb for it heh |
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| 18:18.51 | CoreDump|home | JustinP: http://hentges.net/misc/openzaurus/docs/altboot.shtml |
| 18:21.36 | cosmo- | CoreDump|home: i could try that. will you help me if there are problems? |
| 18:22.02 | CoreDump|home | sure |
| 18:22.36 | cosmo- | i have a 256mb SD card where i'd like to boot from |
| 18:22.50 | CoreDump|home | which Z? |
| 18:22.55 | cosmo- | 5500 |
| 18:23.17 | CoreDump|home | ah good |
| 18:23.38 | CoreDump|home | http://hentges.net/tmp/altboot/ |
| 18:23.43 | cosmo- | the SD is currently formatted as ext2, but i get filesystem errors with it. the root on SD doc says it would be better to use a disk image on fat32 |
| 18:24.29 | cosmo- | so i think what i would like to do is format it fat32, do a disk image, and boot from it.. does this make sense? |
| 18:24.54 | cosmo- | i'm a total newbie with zaurus, got one last friday so i might try to do something stupid ;) |
| 18:25.39 | CoreDump|home | cosmo-: I'm using a disk image off of an ext2 SD card on my collie for quite some time now. |
| 18:25.48 | CoreDump|home | works perfectly |
| 18:26.18 | cosmo- | why disk image on ext2? why images work better than straight filesystem? |
| 18:27.19 | cosmo- | but if it works, i'll do the same |
| 18:28.02 | CoreDump|home | cosmo-: ah easy :) Because i was to lazy to set up a rootfs on a SD card and built me a disk-image w/ OE instead ;) |
| 18:28.29 | cosmo- | ok |
| 18:28.42 | cosmo- | i'm flashing now to get a clean system |
| 18:29.44 | cosmo- | one advantage with images is that you can copy them to bacup and replace with other images to test stuff etc |
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| 18:30.57 | CoreDump|home | indeed |
| 18:34.00 | cosmo- | ok now i'm on network with z |
| 18:35.16 | cosmo- | installed ipk |
| 18:36.13 | cosmo- | should i have a partition on SD or is it enough to just make filesystem? |
| 18:36.36 | cosmo- | i could do a small swap partition on SD also |
| 18:39.16 | cosmo- | ..but i think that can be done with a swap file |
| 18:39.52 | cosmo- | root@collie:~# mkfs.ext2 /dev/mmcda1 |
| 18:41.51 | CoreDump|home | cosmo-: ummm |
| 18:42.10 | CoreDump|home | i believe altboot is currently hardwired to mmcda1 |
| 18:42.17 | hardwire | hi |
| 18:42.23 | CoreDump|home | heh |
| 18:42.27 | CoreDump|home | hi hardwire |
| 18:42.32 | hardwire | hi me |
| 18:43.13 | cosmo- | CoreDump|home: yes? i have now one ext2 partition (mmcda1) |
| 18:43.26 | CoreDump|home | good |
| 18:43.32 | cosmo- | should the fs be mounted with sync or not? |
| 18:43.50 | CoreDump|home | cosmo-: altboot will mount async |
| 18:44.04 | CoreDump|home | it's wayyyyyy faster this way |
| 18:45.06 | cosmo- | root@collie:~# mount /media/card/ |
| 18:45.08 | cosmo- | mount: Mounting /dev/mmcda1 on /media/card failed: Invalid argument |
| 18:45.17 | cosmo- | hm, what could be causing this |
| 18:45.27 | cosmo- | mount -t ext2 /dev/mmcda1 /media/card works |
| 18:46.06 | CoreDump|home | cosmo-: it's a busybox mount bug |
| 18:46.13 | CoreDump|home | noone cared to fix it heh |
| 18:46.20 | cosmo- | oh, ok ;) |
| 18:47.08 | cosmo- | then i make image with dd of=opie.img if=/dev/zero bs=1024 count=150000 |
| 18:47.27 | cosmo- | 150 megs should be enough for everyone.. |
| 18:48.23 | cosmo- | anyone tried how much it takes space to install everything available to zaurus? ;) |
| 18:49.10 | CoreDump|home | more than 150Mb uncompresses :) |
| 18:49.28 | JustinP | CoreDump|home: does altboot work on the C3k? perhaps I'll test it later...have to go to lunch now |
| 18:49.28 | cosmo- | ok image file is ready |
| 18:50.08 | cosmo- | how do i copy the system to image file? should i follow the instructions on root-on-SD doc? |
| 18:50.12 | CoreDump|home | JustinP: not yet. Would need someone to "port" it to it |
| 18:51.04 | cosmo- | whee.. i'm a wlan cf card owner in 10 minutes if no one outbids me |
| 18:51.08 | CoreDump|home | cosmo-: i dunno that doc, follow the instructions on how to copy all files. Then remove /etc/init.d/sd |
| 18:51.18 | CoreDump|home | hehe |
| 18:51.28 | CoreDump|home | booting from NFS is fun - useless but fun |
| 18:51.56 | cosmo- | the doc is here and it uses some scripts to do things http://openzaurus.org/wordpress/howto/root-on-sd/ |
| 18:52.59 | CoreDump|home | can't comment on these scripts, sorry |
| 18:56.06 | cosmo- | ok i have now copied the files to the image |
| 18:56.24 | cosmo- | i guess it's now time to configure altboot |
| 18:56.24 | jnc | CoreDump, JustinP is working on c3000 support |
| 18:56.28 | jnc | loosely |
| 18:56.45 | CoreDump|home | ah i c |
| 18:56.48 | jnc | there's no fully functional 2.6.x kernel for cxk0 that i know of |
| 18:56.59 | jnc | what's needed for altboot to work? |
| 18:57.25 | CoreDump|home | cosmo-: there isn't anything to configure |
| 18:57.37 | CoreDump|home | cosmo-: http://hentges.net/misc/openzaurus/docs/altboot.shtml |
| 18:57.45 | CoreDump|home | read this and be done :) |
| 18:57.50 | cosmo- | yep i'm reading it |
| 18:58.11 | cosmo- | i must move the opie.img to boot-images dir on SD and rename it? |
| 18:58.27 | CoreDump|home | correct |
| 18:58.37 | CoreDump|home | but thats about it |
| 18:59.33 | cosmo- | ok, hope it works |
| 18:59.43 | CoreDump|home | if your card is big enough you can have multiple images |
| 19:00.04 | cosmo- | now booting.. |
| 19:01.17 | cosmo- | it asks to set a master password |
| 19:01.57 | CoreDump|home | yeah, cause you can boot with "init=/bin/sh" with altboot |
| 19:02.07 | cosmo- | i think it booted normally, it ditn't even ask which image to boot |
| 19:02.10 | CoreDump|home | you dont want that w/o pw |
| 19:02.23 | CoreDump|home | did you select SD boot? |
| 19:02.49 | cosmo- | it ditn't pause to let me choose it |
| 19:02.57 | CoreDump|home | eh, it should |
| 19:03.05 | cosmo- | i'll reboot again |
| 19:03.31 | CoreDump|home | wait, did you get the boot menu at all? (ie: 1- normal boot, 2- somthing else etc) |
| 19:03.53 | cosmo- | yes i got it, but it automatically booted [1] |
| 19:04.01 | CoreDump|home | ah |
| 19:04.10 | CoreDump|home | don't touch the keyboard while booting |
| 19:04.11 | cosmo- | now it doesn't show the menu |
| 19:04.28 | cosmo- | i had to write the password on first time |
| 19:04.34 | CoreDump|home | right |
| 19:06.12 | CoreDump|home | you are not trying altboot on SharpROM, right? |
| 19:06.23 | jnc | CoreDump, no GPE ROMs on hentges.net ? |
| 19:06.40 | cosmo- | no, openzaurus |
| 19:06.43 | CoreDump|home | jnc: nope, takes too long to build both |
| 19:06.47 | jnc | ah okay |
| 19:06.56 | cosmo- | i rebooted again and now it just shows blinking cursor below logo |
| 19:07.18 | jnc | CoreDump|home: JustinP is making use of Kyle Lutze's dual opteron server :) |
| 19:07.28 | CoreDump|home | yummie |
| 19:07.54 | jnc | you're welcome to consort w/ him for making GPE and OPIE images with all the latest & greatest |
| 19:08.02 | CoreDump|home | i need ~4hrs for a complete collie build. The same for akita and poodle |
| 19:08.33 | CoreDump|home | speaking of which, collie should be done soon |
| 19:08.36 | jnc | :) |
| 19:08.40 | cosmo- | now it aska press any key to launch altboot...<no pause> loading last selection [1] |
| 19:08.54 | jnc | one thing that bugs me is fdisk sees cylinder boundaries as being misaligned |
| 19:09.08 | jnc | ever heard of that happening (on spitz) |
| 19:09.10 | CoreDump|home | cosmo-: so, dont press ENTER as anykey |
| 19:09.21 | cosmo- | i dont press anything |
| 19:09.37 | CoreDump|home | cosmo-: dang, something is very wrong |
| 19:09.44 | CoreDump|home | jnc: not me |
| 19:09.58 | cosmo- | now i got menu when i hit space when the text arrived |
| 19:10.24 | CoreDump|home | it should wait about 3 seconds before booting |
| 19:10.42 | cosmo- | maybe the delay (3 in config) is not functioning? |
| 19:12.09 | CoreDump|home | it's a simple "sleep" command while it checks for key presses. Oh, and by "any key" it virtually _does_ mean _any_ key or button on the Z |
| 19:12.15 | cosmo- | but hey /dev/loop1 141.9M 24.2M 110.3M 18% / |
| 19:12.21 | cosmo- | it works |
| 19:12.30 | CoreDump|home | :) |
| 19:12.47 | cosmo- | should it show the menu every time, or boot the last selection after delay? |
| 19:13.14 | cosmo- | and menu is accessed by pressing any key during delay? |
| 19:14.01 | CoreDump|home | it should wait 3 seconds, if you press a key during this time, it will show the menu. Otherwise it will boot the last selection |
| 19:14.27 | CoreDump|home | you can configure it to always show the menu an wait if that's what you want |
| 19:14.52 | CoreDump|home | TIMEOUT="0" in /etc/altboot.cfg |
| 19:15.56 | cosmo- | i'm talking about the default (timeout=3) |
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| 19:17.54 | cosmo- | btw i'll have to do all this again. i just noticed i run 48/16 kernel, not 64/0 which i want |
| 19:18.03 | CoreDump|home | well, it should wait 3secs then |
| 19:18.14 | cosmo- | i can write a simple howto and post it to mailing list if you want |
| 19:18.47 | cosmo- | i think there is a bug in delay code then, it waits more like 3 milliseconds |
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| 19:19.48 | muckdog | anyone have a cached copy of abx2csv? Coverts the qtopia addressbook to csv. The link on http://www.killefiz.de it is dead |
| 19:19.59 | jnc | hm |
| 19:20.49 | CoreDump|home | cosmo-: works here :ß |
| 19:21.00 | CoreDump|home | bbl in 30 minutes |
| 19:27.41 | cosmo- | yep, i won the cf wlan card on ebay. 40¤ isn't bad price, they cost more than 100¤ in local shop |
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| 19:29.16 | JustinP | CodeDump|home: ok...I may be willing as my parted compile is not yet working right in OZ. what all needs to be done? |
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| 19:38.43 | CoreDump|home | JustinP: the c3000 pivot_roots into the HDD by default, right? this will need to be implemented as "normal" boot in altboot |
| 19:41.46 | alan_ | mmm... i have a sikky question : i installed everything i needed and which was not included in the OZ image in /home/package. Now if i reflash my Z, can i just ipkg-link the /home/packages to have everything back ? |
| 19:42.16 | CoreDump|home | might work, yeah |
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| 19:44.56 | alan_ | CoreDump|home: ipkg does nothing else than uncompress the ipk files ? I mean, does it create a database of the istalled progs ? |
| 19:45.16 | CoreDump|home | itdoes |
| 19:45.28 | CoreDump|home | check /usr/lib/ipkg |
| 19:45.50 | CoreDump|home | and /media/*/usr/lib/ipkg |
| 19:46.00 | alan_ | do you think ipkg-link will rebuild the database ? |
| 19:46.22 | alan_ | i mean, add the mounted progs to the datebase ? |
| 19:46.52 | CoreDump|home | nope, the database for /home/packages is in /home/packages/usr... |
| 19:47.05 | CoreDump|home | it wont get lost |
| 19:47.36 | alan_ | ok, so i tyhink it will work. thanks CoreDump|home |
| 19:47.44 | CoreDump|home | np |
| 19:55.23 | JustinP | assuming that /home is not overwritten, yes |
| 20:01.35 | cosmo- | CoreDump|home: usability note - it would be better to have letters (a,b,c..) as menu choices than numbers. numbers need Fn key |
| 20:02.24 | CoreDump|home | agreed, but that would be a bitch to hack up |
| 20:03.47 | cosmo- | choice = keycode - keycode_of_a? ;) |
| 20:04.08 | cosmo- | btw the delay works now on second install |
| 20:04.36 | cosmo- | no clue what is different now but it just works |
| 20:04.48 | CoreDump|home | good :) |
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| 20:09.11 | jnc | :) |
| 20:09.39 | jnc | know anywhere i could get a complete backup copy of the hard drive contents for a spitz (c3000) ? |
| 20:09.45 | jnc | i found a backup of hdd1.tgz |
| 20:10.08 | cosmo- | CoreDump|home: posted the howto on mailing list |
| 20:10.09 | jnc | uh oh |
| 20:10.19 | jnc | "Restore...failed file read error" |
| 20:10.19 | jnc | gah |
| 20:10.21 | jnc | i'm screwed |
| 20:10.54 | CoreDump|home | CoreDump|home: great! |
| 20:11.02 | jnc | CoreDump|home++ |
| 20:11.12 | CoreDump|home | err |
| 20:11.20 | CoreDump|home | jnc: :( |
| 20:13.21 | jnc | looks like this SD card is finally failing |
| 20:13.47 | jnc | is the c3000 service menu stored in NAND? |
| 20:13.48 | jnc | hmm |
| 20:14.22 | CoreDump|home | jnc: i would hope so. Not even Sharp could be that stupid and put it onto the HDD |
| 20:14.47 | jnc | what i mean is could i really REALLY brick it by overwriting the NAND flash |
| 20:15.37 | CoreDump|home | IIRC, yes |
| 20:15.41 | jnc | uh oh |
| 20:15.55 | jnc | i better not unplug the device before getting a proper nand on there |
| 20:16.04 | jnc | service menu is still on and responding |
| 20:16.18 | CoreDump|home | it boots a jffs partition when yo enter the service menu IIRC. Kill the partition and your Z is a birck |
| 20:16.33 | cosmo- | who maintains the oz feed package dependencies? for example konqueror-embedded is fully installable, but its dependencies are screwed |
| 20:16.44 | CoreDump|home | oh, in theory OZ shouldn't thouch this partition |
| 20:17.03 | JustinP | cosmo-: it's probably in OE |
| 20:17.09 | JustinP | cosmo-: what's wrong with them? |
| 20:17.50 | cosmo- | it wants wrong libqte2 version, and misses libpcre0 and libstdc++ dependencies |
| 20:18.21 | CoreDump|home | time for bed, n8 all |
| 20:18.30 | cosmo- | n8 coredump |
| 20:27.58 | jnc | gah |
| 20:29.04 | JustinP | jnc: I've always used a CF card for flashing |
| 20:33.06 | JustinP | cosmo-: OpenEmbedded does most of the dependency stuff on its own. Looks ok to me in my newest compile. |
| 20:33.43 | cosmo- | yep.. but the one i get from opie is broken |
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| 20:35.17 | JustinP | well I guess that ipk is broken....sorry, I don't know what to tell you. I don't think that the OZ maintainers update the OZ feeds... |
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| 20:39.02 | jnc | okay |
| 20:39.14 | jnc | found another SD card, flashed okay it says "OK" |
| 20:39.24 | jnc | i don't know for sure if it worked, gosh that makes me nervous |
| 20:42.25 | JustinP | jnc: argh, minimo build is failing and blocking the gpe-image. don't have time to fix it right now (maybe later) |
| 20:42.34 | JustinP | opie image is failing due to some libpcreposix thing... |
| 20:42.45 | Ycros | they all faaaail |
| 20:43.18 | jnc | awwee |
| 20:43.28 | jnc | you are on your way to distruction |
| 20:43.32 | jnc | make your time! |
| 20:43.48 | jnc | s/dist/dest/ |
| 20:43.49 | jnc | gah |
| 20:43.53 | jnc | can't spell |
| 20:44.06 | JustinP | bitbake -cclean libpcre argh! |
| 20:44.18 | JustinP | the hell? |
| 20:44.24 | JustinP | anyway |
| 20:44.33 | JustinP | pcre is failing due to a /usr/lib/libc.a being on the system |
| 20:46.45 | jnc | so... |
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| 20:48.09 | JustinP | it can be fixed....somehow...I hope, but I really need to get some work done now |
| 20:48.16 | JustinP | perhaps I'll find a solution tonight if I have time... |
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| 20:48.56 | jnc | err |
| 20:49.07 | jnc | on the c3000 does the service menu use the same kernel as OZ? |
| 20:49.20 | jnc | i'm confused about that |
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| 20:49.32 | Ycros | jnc: I have my suspicions |
| 20:49.36 | JustinP | jnc: in the meantime you can upgrade via the dioxide feed if you want to test the builds I did get done (don't giv it out, though) |
| 20:49.44 | Ycros | as I bricked mine trying to install my own kernel |
| 20:49.55 | Ycros | oh wain |
| 20:49.57 | Ycros | t |
| 20:50.00 | JustinP | Ycros: do you really think so? I would thikn they'd put a known working solution in there.... |
| 20:50.17 | Ycros | you mean the low level one, or the one where you usually flash from? |
| 20:50.35 | JustinP | *I* mean the NAND backup one |
| 20:50.49 | Ycros | oh. nah. that one's fine |
| 20:50.51 | JustinP | the other one, the "flash" one probably does use the same kernel... |
| 20:51.06 | Ycros | yeah it does |
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| 20:52.03 | JustinP | "bricked" to me means that you can't fix it without sending it to the manufacturer |
| 20:52.16 | JustinP | if the service menu stuill works you can NAND restore it |
| 20:55.40 | cosmo- | package manager is much more stable now when my filesystem isn't corrupted anymore :) |
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| 21:04.49 | alan_ | good night !! |
| 21:06.57 | JustinP | heh |
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| 21:09.27 | jnc | JustinP: is service menu based on linux? |
| 21:10.57 | JustinP | I have no clue, actually ;-) |
| 21:11.00 | JustinP | probably isn't |
| 21:11.15 | jnc | the other question, is how to get more than 4 partitions on the drive |
| 21:11.28 | jnc | like you said, swap and root fs after the vfat partition |
| 21:12.01 | jnc | i'm using sfdisk from the rescue boot |
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| 21:20.24 | JustinP | jnc: make a logcal partition |
| 21:21.29 | jnc | JustinP: type 0x0f ? |
| 21:22.06 | jnc | like uh, a windows extended partition or what |
| 21:22.16 | JustinP | yeah, I meant extended |
| 21:22.24 | JustinP | and then you make logcal partitions in that |
| 21:22.34 | JustinP | (sfdisk?) |
| 21:26.06 | jnc | yep, sfdisk |
| 21:42.25 | jnc | uh oh |
| 21:42.53 | jnc | i (dd if=/dev/zero# of=/dev/hda)'d the microdrive |
| 21:43.04 | jnc | and made a new disklabel with fdisk from boot recovery menu |
| 21:43.16 | jnc | now ... the block size is different |
| 21:43.19 | jnc | :( |
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| 22:28.36 | jnc | hmm |
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| 22:57.41 | jnc | yay |
| 22:58.02 | jnc | JustinP: i've devised a partitioning stratedgy using the recovery environment |
| 22:58.50 | jnc | it uses sfdisk and stuff |
| 22:58.53 | jnc | pretty fool proof |
| 23:05.05 | *** join/#openzaurus hufnus (~slonsiki@mc38936d0.tmodns.net) |
| 23:33.34 | jnc | sweet |
| 23:33.38 | jnc | it's restored |
| 23:48.17 | JustinP | jnc: what do you mean by revovery environment? |
| 23:48.33 | JustinP | jnc: please, share, what have you done? |