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00:18.01jncJustinP:  i have almost totally trashed my c3000 and brought it back to stock configuration
00:18.11jncthis time it has a new partition scheme
00:18.37jnci'm impressed by how well the sharp ROM functions for playback and video
00:18.48jncalso it does not crash with suspend
00:18.51jncand stuff kind of works
00:19.10jncit would be very nice to keep the sharp ROM and also have open zaurus on the new partitions
00:20.04JustinPjnc: the only way that's possible is to use NAND backups and restores
00:20.18JustinPthe OZ kernel won't work with the Sharp ROM
00:20.22JustinPmodule renames and such
00:20.24jncJustinP: http://phpfi.com/70660
00:20.38jncoh okay
00:20.47jncthere's no way to boot strap to a new kernel or something?
00:20.59jnci wish  there were a boot loader that could choose
00:21.21JustinPjnc: I also wish for such a thing but I don't know if it's even possible
00:21.32jnci'm sure it is, we will discover how
00:21.34jnc:)
00:21.45JustinPI asked about it a while ago and no one else knew as well (I didn't look all *that* far, but...)
00:22.25JustinPjnc: again, what recovery envirinment?
00:22.43jnchold "M+B" keys with battery out and switch to off position
00:22.53jncthen turn switch on, add AC plug
00:22.59jnclet go of buttons
00:23.06jnci think
00:23.24jncit was the built-in linux recovery environment
00:23.34jncthe one on the sharp ROM
00:23.51jncneed a nap
00:23.57JustinPhmmm, I never tried that
00:24.11JustinPI've used D+M of course, but not M+B
00:24.16JustinPok, back to work
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00:48.52AppleBoyyeah, because my server kicks ass :)
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01:40.43CwiiisHey, anybody about?
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03:06.29jncJustinP: yeah, that's what i really meant.  D+B and D+M
03:06.31jnci think
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04:29.19kakosHello!
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06:30.11alan_bonjour !!!
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07:01.55dmx_Hi All.
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07:33.45alan_does anyone remember the name of the programm i should use to beam from command line ?
07:34.28alan_hi hrw !
07:35.12hrw|workhi
07:45.22alan_where do you set the font used in terminal ? in the look and feel tab, you can only set the size of the font in the "terminal" part.
07:48.35hrw|worknowhere
07:48.43hrw|workI reported bug for it
07:48.49hrw|workif you talk about gpe
07:49.07alan_yeah. ok. thanks hrw|work
07:51.38alan_hrw|work: i use dejavu fonts in gpe : it rocks ! it's really readable. Plus XorA found bitstream-vera made Abiword segfault when trying to use Italic fonts. Once more i vote for dejavu to become the default font. d(^^)b
07:51.39hrw|worksomeone with collie here?
07:51.57hrw|workalan_: talk with gpe maintainers
07:52.03alan_ok.
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08:09.24XorAalan_: you need to edit gpe-xtermwrapper.sh
08:09.38XorAalan_: if you are about later I can pastebin mine
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08:09.48alan_XorA: haaaa... thanks !
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08:52.20alan_i'm having a look at the map file. what do the "compose" lines refer to ?
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09:02.32VladDracwho's in charge of openzaurus.org?
09:02.47VladDracwouldn't it be usefull to print the date along with the time below the newsitems? :)
09:02.59VladDracah wait, it's printed on top
09:10.45VladDrachttp://moon.google.com/ <- lol :)
09:11.34VladDrac(zoom in entirely :)
09:11.36alan_excellent ! btw, it's man on the moon birthday !!
09:12.09alan_\o/
09:14.23hrw|worknice
09:27.07alan_VladDrac: do you know this one ? http://www.kamazutra.be/ozone2
09:30.01VladDracyeah seen it :)
09:30.53alan_VladDrac: all the site has to be seen, anyway.
09:31.43alan_VladDrac: my very favorite one : http://www.kamazutra.be/nintendo
09:32.15alan_XorA: i hope you know this one too :D
09:40.28VladDractoo bad I only know mario :)
09:41.23hrw|workheh.. windoze users
09:48.38__law__ppp doesnt work for me with the current oz kernel (2.6.12-mm1) but if i include ppp stuff direct into the kernel (no modules) all works fine
09:51.29XorAalan_: wassup?
09:54.27__law__should i release my defconfig-c7x0 ?
09:55.36alan_XorA: did you see this : http://www.kamazutra.be/nintendo
09:58.42alan_hrw|work: "mplayer http://users.skynet.be/fa543037/nintendo.wmv"
09:59.09XorAalan_: wierd
09:59.26alan_XorA: i loooooooooooooooooove it !
10:00.01alan_XorA: lemme guess : you had a megadrive when you were kid...
10:01.23hrw|workhardcore :)
10:01.49hrw|workalan_: original nintendo/famicon or clone?
10:02.04alan_original !!
10:02.54hrw|workmy brother has a clone 'pegasus'
10:03.13alan_pegasus ? i don't know that..
10:04.00hrw|workpegasus is most popular NES clone in CE Europe
10:04.29alan_hrw|work: i don't think they ever sold this in france...
10:06.22XorAits those dodgy russian guys and their better than original clones
10:06.39alan_hehe ^^
10:17.41alan_hrw|work: when you want to edit your keymapping, it's "keycode [keycode#] = [normal] [WithShift] [WithAltGr] [WithWhat?]" right ?
10:18.53hrw|workalan_: look into /etc/corgi_keymap
10:24.12alan_hrw|work: that is what i di, and that is why i'm puzzled. there are some lines i don't understand. for example, "keycode   2 = one              exclam
10:24.12alan_<PROTECTED>
10:24.58hrw|workkeycode 2 = one (alone) exclam (with shift)
10:25.10hrw|workand its Console_1 (with ctrl+alt)
10:26.34alan_hoooooo... now i understand... sorry for my stupidity. ^^'
10:29.26hrw|worknp
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10:58.34alan_YEAAAAH !!i now have all thje accents i need, even in italic in Abiword working on a stable openzaurus GPE with a great mplayer !!!!!
10:59.12alan_all i want now is snes9x...
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12:39.38hrw|worksomeone with collie here?
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12:44.41cosmo-hrw|work: yep
12:49.53StarScreamhrw|work: yep
12:50.16StarScreamhrw|work: well its at home but i can test it in 4 hours time
12:50.35StarScreamhrw|work: mine is one of the ones that wont boot the new kernel also
13:18.07hrw|workok
13:18.23hrw|workI can provide bootstrap image with r21 kernel
13:21.17StarScreamhrw|work: cool...
13:21.21StarScreamlink?
13:22.11hrw|workfirst I have to upload them
13:22.25hrw|workit will take ~10 minutes
13:22.41StarScreamok cool. Let me know when its done and i'll do it first thing when i get home
13:27.37hrw|workStarScream: http://www.hrw.one.pl/tmp/oz353-r21/ - bootstrap and kernel 64-0 r21
13:27.45StarScreamcheers
13:27.49hrw|workcan you flash them both and tell does it work as should?
13:28.07StarScreamhrw|work: no probs.
13:28.23hrw|worklater I probably will provide rebuilt of opie-image/3.5.3
13:29.47StarScreamhrw|work: k
13:34.35alan_hrw|work: libx11-6 is in the oz feed, but the version number  doesn't meet requirements... i'd like to build it myself, but i don't know how...
13:34.58alan_anyway, i still don't understand what make snes9x not work...
13:36.34XorAalan_: does one in my feed match reqs?
13:39.26hrw|workStarScream: you use opie or gpe?
13:39.57StarScreamhrw|work: opie but to be honest i'll use anything that works. my zaurus is sitting at home being a paper weight at the moment :)
13:40.11hrw|workaha
13:40.34hrw|workStarScream: I will build opie-image with libqte r12 - r14 is in upgrades
13:41.11StarScreamhrw|work: so should i still use that link above?
13:41.33hrw|workyes
13:41.39StarScreamok. :)
13:42.08hrw|workStarScream: I just want to rebuild oz 3.5.3 bootstrap and opie images so they will work with r21 kernel out-of-box
13:42.27hrw|workgpe-image probably will follow
13:42.49StarScreamah right.
13:43.00alan_XorA: your feed is down :(
13:43.06XorAalan_: its not
13:43.55alan_... mmm... well it's back... what happened to my opera...
13:44.16XorAyour opera?
13:44.28XorAalan_: turned feed back on 9am BST
13:44.40alan_opera my web browser...
13:45.46XorAit sucks
13:46.36alan_i like it. it's fast, it has a good cache system, i like the mail client.
13:47.07alan_AND my wife can use it without me ^^
13:47.15XorAI tought mine firefox
13:47.28XorAand she even made her mum use firefox
13:47.28alan_yours is teachable ^^
13:47.57XorAalan_: need a better paddle then :-)
13:49.29alan_^^
13:55.18XorAoh alan_ got my rxvt to change font
13:58.01alan_hhaa ? tell me more
13:58.25XorAvi .Xdefaults /home/alan/.Xdefaults or something like that
13:58.41XorAchange line to Rxvt*font: xft:Sans Mono:style=Bold:pixelsize=9
13:58.56XorAsave, log out of gpe, log back in, rxvt is using readable font again
14:01.49alan_mmmm... it's readable, but letter are spaced...
14:03.59XorAalan_: did you install all dejavu files?
14:04.07alan_yep.
14:05.01alan_... mmm in fact it is the same font as before...
14:05.22alan_it is a dejavu font, i'd say...
14:05.38XorAwell that sets it to a properly spaced mono font for me
14:07.05alan_trying with a reboot...
14:07.58jncyou can change the rxvt font that way, what about the colours?
14:08.31jnci used an .Xdefaults from my desktop machine, which works for the colours, and on the Zaurus (OZ) it complains about colours not being found
14:08.59alan_what colour did you use ?
14:09.24jncwell, lots of them
14:09.33jnchang on i am going to find my .Xdefaults i used
14:09.47XorAjnc: rgb.txt doesnt exist on OZ
14:09.57jncoh!
14:10.01jncthat must be why
14:11.19jncalan_: http://phpfi.com/70726
14:11.24jncmy ~/.Xdefaults
14:13.00alan_would it work with color names ? (not code)
14:15.19alan_XorA: i installed your snes9x with deps, but it still won't work...
14:15.27XorAalan_: :-(
14:15.44alan_i'm puzzled...
14:15.54jnchmm i don't know
14:16.06jnci don't have OZ on my c3000 currently
14:16.18jnci restored my c3k with the Sharp ROM
14:16.47jnci'm looking for a way to keep the Sharp ROM and add a bootloader that lets me select Sharp ROM or the OpenZaurus
14:16.59hrw|workjnc: altboot?
14:17.05jnci could try that
14:17.11jncdoes it let you use different kernels?
14:17.34jnci asked CoreDump how altboot worked, he didn't respond
14:17.43jncnot sure exactly how it works
14:17.52hrw|workjnc: zaurus bootloader does not allow kernel switching
14:18.19jncaltboot does?
14:18.31hrw|workno - it allow to use misc systems
14:19.35jncoh
14:19.40jncso how would i switch kernels?
14:20.06hrw|workno way on Z
14:20.08jnci think OpenBSD does it
14:20.15CoreDump|homehey
14:20.24hrw|workjnc: so look how they did it
14:20.49jncCoreDump|home: hi
14:21.02jnctrying to come up with an idea for how to change kernels
14:21.14jnci.e. boot a kernel from somewhere other than flash
14:21.40jncmaybe using the Z's Sharp Kernel or a modified version of it to bootstrap
14:21.46CoreDump|homeyou can't AFAIK. Your boot-loader needs support for that - it doesn't
14:23.17XorACoreDump|home: technically you could do it by loading a module that loaded the new kernel then jumped to the entry point
14:23.49hrw|workopenbsd guys boot linux, modprobe own kernel module, run own binary which load openbsd kernel and boot it
14:24.04jncthat would do the trick
14:24.05hrw|workftp://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/3.7/zaurus/INSTALL.zaurus
14:24.09CoreDump|homesounds interesting
14:24.22XorAthere is even a pr-rolled module for linux to load linux somewhere
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14:25.24CoreDump|homehaving something like this would rock for dual-boot.
14:25.46jncit would allow us to test 2.6.x  kernels and other developments without fear of bricking the Z
14:25.50CoreDump|homeyou could actually boot sharp off of an SD/CD card
14:25.59jnc:)
14:27.20XorACoreDump|home: your init will always need to the in flash on collie
14:27.44CoreDump|homeright, not much of a problem though
14:30.39jnckexec?
14:32.59hrw|workjnc: zaurus other then collie cannot be bricked
14:34.09jnchttp://www.cwlinux.com/downloads/kexec/linux-2.4.19-lb-kexec.patch
14:34.22jncwhat's so special about collie?
14:34.47hrw|workjnc: collie does not have 2nd (non-flashable) kernel used by flasher
14:35.17jncah
14:35.46jncdo you know if it is possible to wipe out the service menu on a spitz (c3000)?
14:36.40hrw|workmany people say that it is not (atleast with OZ flashing script)
14:36.50CoreDump|homehrw|work: I was under the impression that flashing on collie is done by the boot-manager. If you don't touch it, you shouldn't be able tobrick a collie
14:37.12jncokay
14:37.25jncthat 2.4.x diff i posted the URL for, is alpha arch
14:37.27CoreDump|home(i haved flashed b0rked / unbootable kernels many times
14:37.29jncnot x86 :(
14:39.23jncoh hey here it is
14:39.24jnchttp://sourceforge.net/projects/monte/
14:39.34jncload a kernel module and boot to the loaded kernel
14:39.44jnc"two kernel monte"
14:41.40hrw|workjnc: will you add it into 2.4.18/2.4.20 embedix kernels?
14:42.11jncwill *i* add it?
14:42.37jncmaybe we can get JustinP to do it
14:42.40hrw|workmost of OZ devels does not want to even touch it with long stick
14:43.17CoreDump|home:)
14:43.47hrw|workif someone want something in embedix kernel in OZ then (s)he has to do it and send us patches (with good infos why we should look at it)
14:44.25jnci don't have a build environment for this stuff
14:44.36hrw|workCoreDump|home: flash sharprom OSPACK on collie - if it fail then you can get a brick as whole flash is flashed
14:45.08jnci'd be happy to come up with a written explanation as to why this is super important to get working
14:45.56CoreDump|homehrw|work: sharp overwrites the boot-loader
14:46.00jncthere's two pieces, one is a kernel module, the other is a userspace client
14:46.38hrw|workCoreDump|home: so collie can be bricked
14:46.47jncin theory, on the c3000 at least, we could test this without flashing anything
14:47.28CoreDump|homehrw|work: not with OZ :) Who cares for sharp anyways heh
14:48.24hrw|workCoreDump|home: not me anyway - but this does not change situation that collie can be bricked ;)
14:48.51CoreDump|homepoint taken ;)
14:50.33jncyikes
14:50.56jncwho's got a build environment for the sharp kernel on spitz?
14:51.11hrw|worktime to go - cu
14:51.38jnccopper yourself
14:51.40CoreDump|homebye hrw|gone
14:54.29jnchmm
14:54.43jncwhere would i look, to find someone with the build environment for c3000 sharp rom?
14:55.57XorAjnc: pdaXrom SDK?
14:59.54jncXorA: maybe... i will try it
15:01.27jncXorA: i don't see an SDK download for the cxk0
15:02.49jnci see something called softfloat sdk
15:02.50jnchmm
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15:27.27jncmore hmm'ing
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15:32.12enno_hi
15:32.54VladDrachi enno
15:33.04enno_i have a problem with my sd card slot on zaurus c860. dont know how to check this. maybe its only a software problem. but maybe its broken
15:33.41enno_cardctl status did not recognize the card -> no card
15:34.14enno_my pc card reader has no problem with the card
15:34.25jnchey, any of you guys ARM experts?
15:34.33enno_any hints?
15:34.59jncenno_: try booting with card out, then insert card after finished booting
15:35.22enno_jnc: ok, just wait a second
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15:35.50jnci need to know (in a nutshell) what the boot process is for an arm kernel and the initrd
15:39.22enno_jnc: status is same as before :(
15:40.39ursIs sd really handeld by cardctl? On my 5500, it doesn't show up at all. (but works fine)
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15:42.46enno_urs: dont know. but i guess
15:48.59enno_but i should see a sd card under /proc/ide i guess
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15:54.36enno_well i google
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16:27.17JustinPjnc: I'm not a kernel dev. I did a little device driver stuff in college, but it was for class. I cna *try* to get something working in the kernel but I could easily screw it up....
16:27.48JustinPjnc: I had gcc and the tools working on the Sharp ROM, but it wasn't really a kernel dev environment....then again maybe it *would* compile a kernel module...not sure
16:27.56jnchmm
16:28.11jncwell it looks like this thing does not have userspace client code for arm
16:28.14jnconly alpha and i386
16:28.27jnccode would need to be written to support arm
16:28.31JustinPjnc: also, where did you find that module? I don't see it on the sf.net page. There are no released files.
16:28.38jncJustinP: CVS
16:29.02JustinPoh fun....yeah, I'm not much of an ASM developer...
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16:40.03jncJustinP: the code is all in C i think
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18:06.52Slackmananyone have hrw's email address?
18:07.15Slackmanhrw|gone: tried your kernel. Yes it works!!
18:07.36Slackmanhrw|gone: and it sleeps and wakes up ok.
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19:43.25sandmanAnyone alive?
19:43.32tsmHi
19:43.45sandmanWhat's a good linux program to sync with a zaurus sl-5600?
19:43.50sandmanI haven't installed openzaurus yet
19:44.58tsmI donĀt use any. I sync exporting calendar/contacts to vcf format and then I open it on kde pim apps.
19:45.26tsmI do this because I sync it with my Nokia 6600 phone too.
19:45.28sandmanexporting to vcf?
19:46.16tsmI do this using OpenZaurus. I dhave never used the stock sharp rom. My device is SL 5500.
19:47.12sandmanHow did you install openzaurus if you couldn't sync it, then?
19:47.46sandmanI cannot get my zaurus to communicate with my system
19:49.22tsmWhen I recived my Zaurus I imediatly installed OZ. I had nothing to sync
19:49.57tsmWhat is your distro?
19:50.01sandmanHow did you install OZ without having it connected to your computer?
19:50.03sandmanGentoo
19:50.31tsmYou donĀ“t have to conect the Zaurus to your computer do Flash another ROM.
19:51.07tsmYou need a CF card and a CF card reader.
19:51.18sandmanI can't use an SD card?
19:51.38sandmanI don't have a CF card
19:51.48tsmTo flash another ROM ... No. You must use a CF card.
19:52.04tsmAt least on SL5500 there is no way to flash using the SD card.
19:52.04sandmanHow large must the card be?
19:52.12sandmanThis is a 5600
19:52.15sandmanSL-5600
19:52.57tsmI donĀ“t know about flashing using SD on 5600, but i am almost certain that is not possile to flash it using SD.
19:53.57tsmI use a 128MB CF card, but I think that 32 MB is the minimum.
19:55.21sandmanOne can get 6 GB microdrives now
19:55.24sandmanThat are that size.
19:55.32sandmanThat's pretty damn big for a PDA
19:55.37tsmThe Kernel image is about 900K and the root disk image is about 14MB.
19:55.49tsmIt is very big.
19:56.12tsmIt is nice to use it as an MP3/OGG player.
19:56.30tsmOr to put some ripped movies on it.
19:56.30sandmanOr to install a debian chroot on and do software development :)
19:56.54tsmI donĀ“t develop :(
19:57.30sandmanquestion
19:57.40sandmancouldn't I just use opera and wifi to put the files on the CF card?
19:57.44sandmanDo I even really need a computer to do it?
19:57.53sandmansl5600 has wifi
19:57.55tsmShure you can.
19:58.08tsmJust download the files on the CF card.
19:58.22sandmanI think I'm in love with this zaurus
19:59.04tsmI have a CF card Wi-fi, so I must download things on the SD, them copy to the CF if I want to do everything on it.
19:59.28tsmI use konqueror embedded on OpenZaurus 3.5.3
19:59.32tsm:)
20:00.36tsmMy zaurus is mainly used to do some wi-fi signal tests, security wi-fi tests and as a mp3/ogg and snes9x (snes emulator).
20:01.00tsmActualy it is the first time I enter here. :)
20:01.23tsmActualy, it is the first time I enter on a IRC channel since 1999.
20:01.46tsmI am looking for some help to make xmame work on SL5500.
20:02.57tsmHow long do you own your Zaurus?
20:05.25sandmanI've had it for 30 minutes now
20:05.40sandmanxmame == emulator, yes?
20:05.46sandmanHave you compiled it yourself yet?
20:06.07sandmanI intend to do absolutely everything on this zaurus.
20:06.16sandmanAnd later I will purchase an OQO (oqo.com)
20:07.21sandmanI'll bbiab
20:10.36tsmYou will find lots of info on www.zaurususergroup.org
20:11.35tsmThere is a forum (http://www.oesf.org/forums/) where the discussions usually take place.
20:12.04tsmThere are some few ROMS other then Sharp and OpenZaurus for your 5600.
20:16.12tsmnames
20:17.31tsmYes. xmame is an emulator.
20:19.13tsmAnyone here know if there is any way to make xmame work on 5500? I get the libpng error: Invalid bit depth
20:20.04tsmThen xmame asks if it was compiled to the right arch.
20:20.36tsmI am using Hentges ROM (OS 3.5.3) with the new r21 kernel on a SL5500.
20:20.40tsmAnyone?
20:22.06tsmI canĀ“t find any information about it on oesf.org forums. On the OpenEmbedded list I only find information about a patch to compile mame 0.95.
20:35.02tsmhelp
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20:45.16CoreDump|hometsm: sorry, no idea
20:52.46hrw|gonefor brave collie users: http://www.hrw.one.pl/tmp/oz353-r21/ will contain (few minutes to upload) OZ 3.5.3 bootstrap and opie images with -r21 kernel. they will probably work OK but are not tested yet on any device. If someone find a problem please give me an info (via msg here or privmsg). dont put that URL in any forums as they are temporary and after testing if they work they will be put in 3.5.3 upgrades.
20:53.28ursgreat
20:53.46ursAre those only initrd's, or ipkgs?
20:53.52tsmVery good hrw
20:54.46hrw|goneurs: do I said something not clear? TEST only, IMAGES with KERNEL
20:54.49hrw|gonebye
20:54.55ursok, sorry
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