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| 02:44.59 | Com[Plex] | thanks jnc :) |
| 02:49.24 | Com[Plex] | http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=32551.0 |
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| 04:45.18 | drp | Hey, does anyone know if OZ can run on a SL3100 ? I tried the ROM for the 3000 but it didnt work. Forums say there's a way to use the ROM for the 1000, but I couldnt see anyone say they had confirmed success. I have a 3100 here with Sharp ROM, it's only useful as a doorstop or paperweight until I find some OpenSource ROM for it ;) |
| 04:54.02 | subdue | if you think that, then you haven't done much homework |
| 04:54.12 | subdue | see meanie's page |
| 05:02.59 | drp | OK I will check. where's meanie's page ? I will try google for "zaurus" and "meanie" |
| 05:04.29 | dgram | drp... me=jrj :) |
| 05:08.36 | drp | get back to work ya slacker :) |
| 05:09.12 | drp | http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=13937 says theres nothing for the 3100. :) Looks like more homework is needed |
| 05:11.40 | dgram | if you find something let me knwo and i'll post it on glugers.org |
| 05:11.55 | drp | I will post it ! |
| 05:11.56 | drp | :) |
| 05:12.01 | drp | My account is still virgin |
| 05:12.17 | dgram | lol, i'll make u a content moderator/admin |
| 05:12.21 | drp | apparently theres a patch to use 1000 rom on 3100. looking into it now. |
| 05:12.32 | dgram | any chance u making it to the LUG this saturday? |
| 05:14.26 | dgram | drp: btw, dcsrhat in #redhat is the "D" man from redhat who we briefly met in the last training |
| 05:17.42 | drp | Meanie's page only has info on the 3000. not on the 3100 http://users.on.net/~hluc/myzaurus |
| 05:17.54 | drp | D ! The god! |
| 05:17.54 | drp | omg |
| 05:17.55 | drp | ;) |
| 05:18.05 | drp | DOnt know about LUG yet |
| 05:18.22 | drp | we have flu epidemic in ADL, and i am needed desperately at da klub |
| 05:18.31 | drp | this saturday we had 3 contractors. all useless. |
| 05:20.11 | drp | anarchy was rampant ;) |
| 05:20.21 | drp | my shoulder and knuckles were sore ;) |
| 05:27.36 | dgram | haha |
| 05:32.41 | drp | and the review work... made other stuff sore. |
| 05:32.56 | drp | anyway. we are OT :) lets take this to msn |
| 05:36.09 | jnc | drp: i wish i had a 31000 |
| 05:36.12 | jnc | s/00/0/ |
| 05:37.04 | drp | jnc: But why ? No ROM works on it |
| 05:37.27 | jnc | it's black |
| 05:37.29 | dgram | i wish the Z's had build in wifi, bluetooth and gprs |
| 05:37.30 | jnc | everything black is cool |
| 05:37.33 | drp | Yeah ;) |
| 05:37.41 | drp | Yeah the lack of built in connectivity is stupid |
| 05:37.42 | jnc | dgram: GPRS would not make sense |
| 05:37.42 | dgram | a flavour of the SL-6000 had them |
| 05:37.44 | jnc | japan is FOMA |
| 05:37.47 | drp | I like www.flybook.biz |
| 05:37.51 | drp | And I like nokia 9500 |
| 05:38.07 | jnc | you could always cut the case and make it have 2 external CF slots |
| 05:38.08 | dgram | jnc: i obviously live under a rock :) |
| 05:38.09 | drp | jnc: In Australia, GPRS makes a lot of sense |
| 05:38.29 | drp | Yeah fair enough |
| 05:38.36 | drp | Japan uses EVDO and stuff |
| 05:38.43 | jnc | all in all, i have a c3000 (spitz) and it is a rather limited device |
| 05:38.43 | dgram | i have the SL-5600, love it.. gotta swap CF for wifi/gprs all the time tho :/ |
| 05:38.50 | drp | dgram found a GPRS card that works on the 3000 |
| 05:39.02 | jnc | it would be tough to use even if the OS and programs did not crash all the damn time |
| 05:39.04 | drp | oh you have the 5600. i thought you have a 3000 |
| 05:39.07 | jnc | i love having it though |
| 05:39.20 | drp | I think I will ebay my 3100 and just get the flybook |
| 05:39.23 | dgram | the RTM-8000 is great for gprs |
| 05:39.31 | jnc | oh |
| 05:39.32 | drp | and try to put ubuntu or fedora on it |
| 05:39.33 | dgram | will linux go on the flybook drp? |
| 05:39.40 | jnc | drp: if you want, i might be interested in a 3100 |
| 05:39.45 | dgram | kewl, be the first :) |
| 05:39.55 | drp | dgram: no idea. I am going to resell flybooks as soon as they launch in Australia. ETA is 4 weeks |
| 05:40.18 | drp | Then i will make a linux on flybook how-to on glugers.org |
| 05:40.19 | dgram | drp: if you want someone to R&D features and stuff, send one up ;-) |
| 05:40.26 | dgram | swoit |
| 05:40.33 | drp | LOL. that would make no commercial sense |
| 05:40.43 | drp | they gave me a wholesale price thats 5% below RRP |
| 05:40.44 | dgram | haha... worth a try tho :P |
| 05:40.50 | drp | almost like reselling Macintosh. |
| 05:40.55 | dgram | lol |
| 05:40.57 | jnc | heh |
| 05:41.01 | drp | Macintosh reselling is bullshit |
| 05:41.08 | dgram | hahaha |
| 05:41.17 | drp | you have to promise huge turnover, and tell them your business plan and org chart. and then all you get is around 5% |
| 05:41.23 | dgram | its all about reselling software hey... |
| 05:42.03 | dgram | once VT and Pacifica come out for x86 intel and AMD (respectively) then no need to get a powerpc |
| 05:42.08 | jnc | i'm sad that bluetooth is not integrated into the c3000 |
| 05:42.09 | dgram | mac are going intel anyways :) |
| 05:42.21 | jnc | it's soooo tiny |
| 05:42.31 | jnc | and uses small amounts of power |
| 05:42.37 | jnc | i don't see why you would leave out bluetooth |
| 05:42.48 | dgram | we use linux... make a bluetooth thingy our of some paddlepop sticks and a rubber band |
| 05:43.00 | dgram | all is possible |
| 05:43.07 | jnc | i have a bluetooth usb adapter and goldx host cable |
| 05:43.11 | jnc | it's not very convenient |
| 05:43.24 | jnc | my GPS receiver is the Holux GPSlim236 |
| 05:43.29 | jnc | it is bluetooth |
| 05:43.51 | dgram | i havnt tried gps on my Z yet |
| 05:44.05 | dgram | got other geeky projects to chop up before i get to that |
| 05:44.13 | dgram | xen :) |
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| 07:14.00 | dgram | XorA: you around? |
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| 07:35.27 | XorA|gon1 | dgram: I am now |
| 07:40.18 | dgram | XorA: hi! hows it goin.... my poodle's still running sweet with the RTM-8000D :) |
| 07:41.20 | dgram | written the howto finally... posted it on my website |
| 07:41.43 | dgram | http://www.glugers.org/content.php?article.2 |
| 07:42.18 | XorA | dgram: cool |
| 07:42.49 | dgram | hows tricks with oz development |
| 07:43.00 | dgram | got a mate with an sl-c3100 keen for a build :) |
| 07:43.20 | XorA | dgram: personally Im not doing much ATM, too busy at work, but the main guys are flying away with the next release |
| 07:43.29 | dgram | sweet |
| 07:44.24 | XorA | dgram: can I copy your howto onto oz.org? |
| 07:44.34 | dgram | for sure |
| 07:44.44 | dgram | i can touch it up a bit with some useful links |
| 07:44.50 | dgram | like to serial_cs.o and stuff |
| 07:45.10 | XorA | is serial_cs not supplied in feed? |
| 07:45.32 | dgram | not sure, i installed it manually |
| 07:45.51 | XorA | dgram: but its the best howto for an RTM8000 card ive seen for linux |
| 07:45.51 | dgram | downloaded it and chucked it in the modules directory |
| 07:46.08 | dgram | chuck it on man :) |
| 07:46.14 | dgram | feel free to edit the shit oua it too |
| 07:46.18 | dgram | GPL'd ;-) |
| 07:46.36 | XorA | dgram: do you have an oz.org account? |
| 07:46.40 | dgram | yep |
| 07:47.21 | dgram | glugers.org is my LUG website btw... having a linux bash this saturday if u can make it over from scotland wasnt it? :) |
| 07:47.52 | XorA | dgram: erm, not sure I can swim 10000 miles in a week |
| 07:48.21 | dgram | hehe |
| 07:48.43 | XorA | dgram: maybe you should put HOWTO on oz.org, but just as a link to your site, that way the howto will keep upto date if you change it. |
| 07:49.18 | dgram | sounds good... can you modify content on oz.org? |
| 07:49.45 | XorA | dgram: if you have a login, its just a wiki |
| 07:50.42 | dgram | ahh |
| 07:51.06 | dgram | i feel like a noob, ive never tried modifying a wiki :) |
| 07:51.07 | dgram | lol |
| 07:51.48 | XorA | well I suppose more correctly oz.org is a CRM, but same concept, anyone with account can edit pages, and make new ones |
| 07:52.49 | dgram | gotcha |
| 07:53.08 | dgram | forgotten my passwd :/ |
| 07:54.33 | dgram | can u see the oz.org website atm? |
| 07:54.36 | dgram | i get a weird error |
| 07:54.47 | dgram | i think i broke it when i clicked the "forgot my password" link |
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| 07:58.34 | XorA | dgram: its seems to be dead |
| 07:58.42 | dgram | ouch |
| 07:58.46 | dgram | know the admin? |
| 08:00.43 | XorA | dgram: its hrw, but site is hosted on sf.net, so I assume sf.net is spasming |
| 08:02.09 | dgram | XorA: its alive again |
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| 10:18.11 | *** topic/#openzaurus is OpenZaurus user discussion/support channel | developer discussion in #oe | http://openzaurus.org/ | Don't ask to ask, just ask. | OZ 3.5.3 -> http://openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.3/ | Report OZ bugs at http://bugs.openembedded.org/ l/p: guest/guest |
| 10:24.35 | dgram | hrw: hey |
| 10:24.57 | dgram | hrw: i've had some trouble retreiving my user account password from oz |
| 10:24.58 | hrw | hi |
| 10:25.10 | hrw | I'm working on generator now |
| 10:25.18 | dgram | each time i had a go it seemd to crash the site |
| 10:25.29 | dgram | kewl |
| 10:25.43 | dgram | ive got a howto to submit which is why i wanted to login :) |
| 10:26.18 | hrw | you got password via email - right? |
| 10:27.19 | dgram | nup - it said it emailed my credentials to me but i received nothing |
| 10:27.25 | dgram | username: jrj |
| 10:27.39 | dgram | email: gmurdocca @ gmail . com |
| 10:28.02 | hrw | ok - it does not send them - sf.net limitation... |
| 10:28.22 | hrw | I generate them and then sending |
| 10:28.38 | dgram | can you reset my passy for me, email me and then i can change? |
| 10:29.47 | hrw | you wil get it today - but not now (server is too lagged) |
| 10:30.00 | dgram | np, no rush |
| 10:30.19 | dgram | i understand i can update content on oz.org similar to wiki sites? |
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| 10:31.04 | dgram | got a howto for gprs on OZ 3.5.3 at http://www.glugers.org/content.php?article.2 |
| 10:31.15 | hrw | aha |
| 10:31.22 | hrw | does it differ from opie one? |
| 10:32.10 | dgram | from the cacko one in the osef forum u mean? |
| 10:32.13 | hrw | a.. thats the RTM8000 GPRS howto... |
| 10:32.24 | dgram | yup |
| 10:32.38 | dgram | i wrote it after getting the card going with XorA and your help |
| 10:32.39 | dgram | if u recall :) |
| 10:32.48 | dgram | i could improve it a bit with some links to downlaodables |
| 10:32.55 | dgram | but its 99% there |
| 10:33.03 | hrw | ok |
| 10:33.03 | dgram | well, 100% minus some links |
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| 11:05.33 | dgram | how you traveling on oz website hrw? |
| 11:05.49 | XorA | why is ebay full of cheap belkin BT cards that dont work in linux :-( |
| 11:06.29 | dgram | XorA - im trying to get my RTM-800 |
| 11:06.43 | dgram | ..rtm-800d card working on my fedora core 4 lappy now |
| 11:06.49 | dgram | it doesnt want to play |
| 11:07.26 | dgram | lol, i dont want to flood this place with a billion lines of debug again :) |
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| 11:29.13 | hrw | I need to find source of cash to get some stuff for PC |
| 11:34.04 | alan | hrw: what do you need for example ? |
| 11:36.33 | hrw | need to change powersupply probably to something more reliable |
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| 11:45.04 | StarScream | hrw: afternoon. Did you manage to have a look at the opie images for the 5500 at all? |
| 11:46.10 | alan | StarScream: take a look at openzaurus.org. i think there is what you are talking about. |
| 11:46.27 | StarScream | oh ok, i couldn't get it to load this morning |
| 11:46.40 | alan | yeah, it's the hell slow |
| 11:47.13 | StarScream | hmm i can provide a mirror for the files probably. |
| 11:49.05 | StarScream | nah i can't get it to load |
| 11:49.14 | StarScream | Fatal error: Call to undefined function: get_bloginfo() in /home/groups/o/op/openzaurus/htdocs/wordpress/wp-includes/wp-db.php on line 304 |
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| 13:33.23 | florolf | hello |
| 13:33.51 | XorA | hello |
| 13:46.24 | StarScream | hello |
| 13:46.28 | StarScream | alan: you about? |
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| 13:54.51 | alan | hello |
| 13:55.11 | alan | StarScream: looking for me ? |
| 13:59.54 | StarScream | alan: yeh i finally got to the oz website |
| 14:00.00 | StarScream | but i can't see any new oz packages |
| 14:00.09 | StarScream | zImages/ initrd.bin etc.. |
| 14:00.13 | hrw|gone | because there are no any |
| 14:01.14 | StarScream | hrw|gone: ok cool .i didn't think there were....alan said he thought there were some earlier :) |
| 14:03.00 | alan | sorry... i saw some md5 checksums were there... i thought this came with new images... |
| 14:04.39 | yipstar | hey OZ gods, I'm taking a stab at setting up my bluetooth card again |
| 14:05.10 | yipstar | when I insert the card logread tells me: serial_cs unknown symbol serial8250_unregister_port |
| 14:05.16 | yipstar | and similar entries |
| 14:05.52 | yipstar | I am effectively trying to load the kernel module serial_cs, anyone have any pointers on how I can proceed to get this card working? |
| 14:09.13 | jnc_ | JustinP: hey man, let me know how it's gone with the GPE image :) |
| 14:09.59 | XorA | yipstar: 5600? |
| 14:12.13 | yipstar | XorA: actually a c860 husky |
| 14:12.41 | XorA | yipstar: oz 3.5.3? |
| 14:12.44 | yipstar | yes |
| 14:13.11 | XorA | yipstar: opie or gpe? |
| 14:13.18 | yipstar | opie |
| 14:14.31 | theefer | hi again. Is the freshly released kernel update officially broken? all the comments seem to indicate so, and I still haven't read of any fix.. |
| 14:16.16 | hrw|gone | theefer: it depends - for some people it work (including me), for others dont |
| 14:19.01 | florolf | the package manager (opie) segfaults when i try to install gnuplot for example |
| 14:22.54 | yipstar | XorA: I've also found on some forums mention of using bluez-csr-serial_0.1_arm.ipk, but I'm not sure that's for OZ, I think it might be for Cacko. |
| 14:23.04 | theefer | mh, ok. |
| 14:23.17 | theefer | I downgraded mine to 3.5.2 for now.. |
| 14:23.35 | XorA | yipstar: I dont have a BT card |
| 14:24.13 | yipstar | XorA: oh, sorry then, did not mean to bug you. |
| 14:24.34 | XorA | yipstar: no probs, sorry I cant help any further |
| 14:25.05 | XorA | yipstar: have you tried ipkg install kernel-module-8250 just incase it ended up not in image by accident |
| 14:25.27 | yipstar | no I haven't but I'll give it a shot, thanks for the idea |
| 14:25.29 | hrw|gone | yipstar: which exact kernel you have? |
| 14:25.57 | yipstar | hrw|gone: how do I find that out, uname? |
| 14:26.11 | hrw | yipstar: you use oz 3.5.3 kernel or upgraded one? |
| 14:26.25 | yipstar | uname -a gives me: Linux c7x0 2.6.11 Tue Ap[r 12 |
| 14:26.41 | yipstar | hrw: oz 3.5.3 |
| 14:27.46 | hrw | yipstar: http://www.rpsys.net/openzaurus/packages/ - upgrade kernel and modules from here |
| 14:30.11 | yipstar | hrw: so I install kernel_2.6.11-r20_c7x0.ipk and kernel-module-serial-cs_2.6.11-r20_c7x0.ipk ? |
| 14:30.43 | yipstar | and perhaps this: kernel-module-8250_2.6.11-r20_c7x0.ipk ? |
| 14:31.48 | hrw | yoou need to reflash kernel also |
| 14:33.08 | yipstar | hrw: ok so I reflash the kernel with just the zImage file, and then install those ipk's? |
| 14:33.46 | hrw | yep |
| 14:34.11 | yipstar | ok, here we go, and thank you for your help :) |
| 14:35.08 | hrw | np |
| 14:39.19 | florolf | hum |
| 14:39.25 | florolf | how to switch virtual terminals? |
| 14:39.31 | florolf | tehre is no ctrl+alt ;) |
| 14:39.35 | florolf | s/teh/the/ |
| 14:41.36 | hrw | Fn+Left/Right? |
| 14:42.09 | florolf | doesn't work |
| 14:42.49 | StarScream | hrw: what happened to that kernel you gave me to try. That one worked (the r21 in upgrades didn't). The only thing that failed was opie but the bootstrap worked. |
| 14:43.05 | hrw | StarScream: it was also r21 |
| 14:43.48 | florolf | I switched on the wrong terminal with the opie-vt-switcher |
| 14:43.48 | StarScream | hrw: ah...so it was the image that caused the boot trouble ? |
| 14:48.02 | hrw | florolf: which zaurus? |
| 14:48.12 | florolf | sl 5550g |
| 14:48.15 | hrw | StarScream: oz353-r21 images was borken |
| 14:48.19 | florolf | i did a soft reset *sigh* |
| 14:48.23 | hrw | florolf: use datebook+left/rigth |
| 14:48.39 | florolf | hum |
| 14:48.42 | hrw | datebook==most left key not from thumbboard |
| 14:48.43 | florolf | for the future, thanks |
| 14:48.47 | florolf | yeah, i know |
| 14:48.53 | hrw | and next time: READ ReleaseNotes |
| 14:49.22 | florolf | okay |
| 14:51.06 | yipstar | hrw: after I flashed to the updated when I put my wifi card in I get a kernel panic |
| 14:51.18 | yipstar | updated *kernel that is |
| 14:52.08 | hrw | hm.... |
| 14:52.27 | StarScream | hrw: ah k. |
| 14:53.24 | XorA | yipstar: now upgrade hostap-modules |
| 14:53.58 | yipstar | XorA: ok |
| 14:55.12 | yipstar | XorA: I don't see an ipk for that at http://www.rpsys.net/openzaurus/packages/ |
| 14:56.52 | XorA | yipstar: hrmm, no idea then |
| 14:57.53 | yipstar | XorA: thanks anyway. I'm used to the feeling of defeat at this point. maybe I should go into acting, I'm developing quite a thick skin for rejection ;) |
| 14:59.44 | XorA | yipstar: what I have on my Z no longer resembles 3.5.3 in any form :-( |
| 15:00.29 | yipstar | XorA: ah the joy of hacking :) |
| 15:00.41 | yipstar | maybe one day I'll actually become one |
| 15:00.48 | XorA | yipstar: and test kernel versions :-) |
| 15:01.07 | XorA | and butchered xservers to get gpe working |
| 15:01.59 | yipstar | XorA: sounds like lots of fun |
| 15:08.11 | hrw | it is fun |
| 15:09.09 | yipstar | I'm trying just my bluetooth stuff, without worrying about the kernel panic from the wifi card, let's just see if I can get the bluetooth stuff working. |
| 15:10.46 | yipstar | hrw: do i need to install the kernel_2.6.11-r20 ipk? |
| 15:11.04 | yipstar | after I just flashed to the new kernel |
| 15:11.14 | hrw | install - then you will know which rev ou have |
| 15:11.38 | yipstar | k |
| 15:12.08 | yipstar | but I don't need kernel-iamge-2.6.11... right? |
| 15:12.24 | hrw | yep |
| 15:22.05 | yipstar | ok |
| 15:22.10 | yipstar | I think we have progress |
| 15:22.27 | yipstar | now the module is loaded, yay! :) |
| 15:23.12 | yipstar | as lsmod reports, however logread tells me after trying bluetooth start: setserial: not found. |
| 15:23.51 | yipstar | is there a ipk I need to install to get the setserial command? |
| 15:25.33 | hrw | ipkg install setserial |
| 15:26.04 | yipstar | hrw: ok, but I have now internet access anymore so I'll download it to my cf card. |
| 15:26.23 | yipstar | I meant *no net access, cause my wifi is not working. |
| 15:31.38 | yipstar | hrw: I can't seem to find an ipk for that on openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.3/feed |
| 15:32.01 | hrw | but it exist there |
| 15:32.44 | yipstar | scratch that I found it, sorry bout that, I did a google domain search for setserial and it did not come up. got it now. |
| 15:35.55 | yipstar | darn it gotta reboot to get my cf reader to work, brb. |
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| 16:05.56 | yipstar | hrw: ok, so I pkg installed setserial, now logread tells me: Cannot set serial info: Invalid argument |
| 16:06.01 | yipstar | but setserial is found now |
| 16:06.19 | hrw | dont know - my bt card is not serial one |
| 16:06.55 | yipstar | I thought this one would be supported, I read the list on oesf.org, but I think that list should reference which roms it refers to |
| 16:07.04 | yipstar | this is my second BT purchase :( |
| 16:07.19 | yipstar | The Socket Rev F card is the way to go right? |
| 16:07.51 | yipstar | hrw: you wouldn't mind telling me where you purchased yours from would you? |
| 16:08.33 | hrw | I got mine from lardman which got it on ebay |
| 16:08.37 | hrw | its socket rev E |
| 16:08.55 | hrw | OZ is not a rom |
| 16:09.17 | yipstar | no? please do educate me out of my ignorance |
| 16:09.59 | hrw | give me definition or word "ROM" |
| 16:10.30 | yipstar | I thought it meant the bootstrapped software that's installed on the ROM of the device |
| 16:10.44 | hrw | what is a rom? |
| 16:10.49 | yipstar | there seem to be a few, the original sharp ROM, the OZ ROM, the Cacko ROM... etc |
| 16:10.56 | yipstar | it's a type of memory right? |
| 16:11.15 | hrw | Read Only Memory |
| 16:12.08 | yipstar | so I should call them distributions (OZ, Cacko, Debian, etc...)? |
| 16:12.48 | hrw | yes |
| 16:13.09 | yipstar | ok, thank you for the lesson, I wonder why there are referred to as ROM's though |
| 16:13.35 | hrw | and in OZ the problem is that we have all machines covered (except a300 and 3100) in few kernels |
| 16:14.19 | hrw | 2.4.18/collie, 2.4.18(tosa, poodle), 2.4.20(akita, spitz), 2.6.x(c7x0) + experimental 2.6.x(collie, poodle, tosa, spitz) |
| 16:14.47 | hrw | 3.5.4 will not support 2.4 kernel on c7x0, maybe we will drop poodle support |
| 16:15.38 | yipstar | ah, I see, sounds like you have your hands full. |
| 16:16.38 | hrw | and on c7x0 we have 2.6.11 as stable one and 2.6.13-rc3-mm1 as unstable |
| 16:17.06 | hrw | 3.5.4/c7x0 will have 2.6.11 or 2.6.12-mm1 but that is not known yet |
| 16:18.00 | yipstar | is there a mailing list or some other form other than this channel to stay up to date or help out if I can? |
| 16:19.41 | hrw | mailing list: openzaurus-devel@lists.sourceforge.net (zaurus things) and oe@handhelds.org (openembedded one) |
| 16:20.30 | yipstar | hrw: thank you for all the info, and for all your hard work |
| 16:20.35 | hrw | np |
| 16:22.01 | yipstar | hrw: do you think my serial BT card will ever work (or be supported) or should I look into buying a socket rev e card? |
| 16:22.14 | hrw | avoid revE card |
| 16:23.14 | yipstar | is there one that will work out of the book with 3.5.3 and > going further, I've been dying to get a bluetooth card to work for net access from my phone, which will make it more feasible for me to carry my zaurus around |
| 16:23.18 | yipstar | ? |
| 16:27.16 | hrw | re |
| 16:27.43 | hrw | yipstar: which module that card used under 2.4? |
| 16:28.01 | yipstar | hrw: I never had it working under 2.4, sorry |
| 16:28.26 | hrw | it is listed in oesf bt howto? |
| 16:28.35 | yipstar | hrw: I also have an AmbiCom BT2000D-CF but that one doesn't seem to be supported either |
| 16:28.44 | yipstar | hrw: yes it's the Blue Monkey Card |
| 16:28.51 | yipstar | but apparently it's a newer one |
| 16:29.32 | yipstar | hrw: this page has pictures of both versions of Blue Monkey Card, mine is the newer one: http://www.shirtpocket.co.uk/spforum/index.php?showtopic=3 |
| 16:30.08 | yipstar | well that links seems to not show them anymore :( |
| 16:30.52 | hrw | http://oesf.org/index.php?title=Bluetooth_Card_Support |
| 16:31.44 | yipstar | yes, that link is why I bought the Blue Monkey card |
| 16:31.57 | yipstar | but mine doesn't come up as LSE039 |
| 16:32.03 | yipstar | it comes up as BT0100M |
| 16:33.23 | yipstar | so is the Socket Rev G/H a good idea? |
| 16:34.17 | hrw | any hci_uart one probably |
| 16:35.53 | yipstar | hrw: on that page you just sent me, under the Dlink entry there seems to be a note that seems applicable to my card. |
| 16:36.06 | yipstar | maybe my card is a uart? |
| 16:37.32 | hrw | try: btaurt-cs then |
| 16:37.44 | hrw | kernel-module-btuart-cs |
| 16:38.13 | yipstar | k, and then edit /etc/pcmcia/bluetooth.conf to bind to that module right? |
| 16:39.03 | yipstar | hrw: and should I reflash to the original 3.5.3 kernel? and please tell me if I'm bothering you, I do not mean to overstay my welcome |
| 16:40.03 | hrw | keep r20 kernel |
| 16:40.26 | yipstar | k |
| 16:40.35 | yipstar | but it broke my wifi :( |
| 16:41.20 | hrw | get bt working then ;) |
| 16:42.02 | yipstar | :) |
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| 16:48.00 | alan | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:48.24 | Exis | Is anybody around who can help me get wireless running on my 5600? |
| 16:48.27 | meshuga | anyone got the opera 7.30 for c-series? |
| 16:48.56 | meshuga | i installed it onto opie and its giving me weird errors, but it the 5xx0 release |
| 16:49.19 | alan | meshuga: you need the c serie patch. |
| 16:49.50 | JustinP | jnc_: I got a GPE image built but you can't have it! |
| 16:50.18 | JustinP | jnc_: really, though, AppleBoy took his server down for maintenance (new HD). I'll let you know when I know it's back up. |
| 16:50.42 | hrw | yipstar: I can build hostap for you |
| 16:54.32 | yipstar | hrw: that would be fantastic, my sincere thanks if you could |
| 16:55.03 | hrw | ok |
| 16:55.36 | yipstar | hrw: there seem to be different ways to specify the kernel module to load in /etc/pcmcia/bluetooth.conf |
| 16:56.06 | hrw | pcmcia magic |
| 16:56.15 | yipstar | should I use the "bind" method or the "module" method? |
| 16:56.22 | hrw | anyway it starts to be obsolete |
| 16:56.28 | hrw | module try |
| 16:56.32 | yipstar | k |
| 17:00.46 | meshuga | i did apply the c-series patch |
| 17:00.50 | meshuga | lemme retype the error |
| 17:01.03 | alan | meshuga: it never worked on mine, you know... |
| 17:01.28 | meshuga | i didnt know that, i'm running 3.5.3 build from yesrterday |
| 17:01.53 | meshuga | opera: symbol lookup errror: opera: undefined symbol: _7QString.shared_null |
| 17:01.58 | alan | meshuga: i ended to have segfaults on each page when i tried it on 3.5.3 Opie official |
| 17:02.11 | meshuga | ah damn |
| 17:02.12 | hrw | heh people... |
| 17:02.14 | alan | meshuga: you need to use the sharp compat libs. |
| 17:02.14 | hrw | ~users |
| 17:02.14 | ibot | so this is what we get for sharing our unpaid volunteer work with you? complaints and accuses? <irony> well done, this clearly supports our motivation to continue working on open source projects. </irony> |
| 17:02.35 | hrw | ~google opera _7QString.shared_null |
| 17:02.39 | alan | hrw: ? |
| 17:02.41 | meshuga | alan: oh ok. is there a specific c-series one, or can i install the 5x00 ones? |
| 17:02.58 | hrw | meshuga: there is ONE version of sharp-compat-libs |
| 17:03.14 | meshuga | nice |
| 17:03.15 | meshuga | thanks |
| 17:03.54 | Exis | It there any documentation at all for making wireless work on the 5600 with the latest openzaurus? |
| 17:04.03 | alan | hrw: we were not complaining here, you know. For once in my OZ life, i know something everyone doesn't, so i share infos ^^ |
| 17:05.15 | alan | Exis: maybe on openzaurus.org ? |
| 17:05.39 | alan | Exis: http://openzaurus.org/wordpress/howto/wifi-with-wep-and-dhcp/ |
| 17:07.03 | hrw | re |
| 17:07.22 | JustinP | the Opie networking control panel works fine for me for WEP and such |
| 17:07.28 | yipstar | hwr: now when it trys to load to btuart_cs logread tells me: unknown symbol hci_free_dev |
| 17:07.32 | yipstar | and similiar entries... |
| 17:07.37 | JustinP | WPA is another matter, of course, but with a bit of playing around wpa_supplicant works fine |
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| 17:08.07 | hrw | yipstar: grab all modules and install one by one etc ;) |
| 17:08.33 | Exis | Alan: Already looked there.. there are a lot of questions, but no answers. :( |
| 17:09.07 | yipstar | hrw: all the kernel-modules ??? |
| 17:09.18 | yipstar | or just ones relating to hci? |
| 17:09.29 | hrw | related |
| 17:09.34 | yipstar | gotcha |
| 17:09.57 | Exis | Justin: the trouble I'm having is getting it to recognize my wireless card at all. |
| 17:10.09 | Exis | It loads the kernel module correctly, but no network interface appears |
| 17:10.19 | alan | Exis: sorry, i don't have wifi on my Z... but i guess you should use "iwconfig wlan0 key xxx-xxx-xxx-xxx-xxx essid xxx-xxx ; ifconfig wlan0 up" or something like this... |
| 17:10.36 | meshuga | Exis: have you read the output of 'dmesg' or syslogd under 'system information'? |
| 17:10.45 | meshuga | i noticed that OZ outputs tons more then my usual linux boxes |
| 17:10.46 | _StarScream | hello |
| 17:10.55 | meshuga | typically says the exact error in the syslogd/boot messages |
| 17:10.58 | hrw | Exis: poodle does not get too much love in OZ... |
| 17:11.13 | Exis | meshuga: No, I didn't know where to look for error logs. I'll check that out. |
| 17:11.26 | JustinP | meshuga: this is because it's still in development and we want as much info as possible. ;-) Also, the Sharp/Embeddix stuff outputs more than it should. |
| 17:11.35 | _StarScream | hrw: how many versions of the collie exist? |
| 17:11.48 | hrw | StarScream: hardware? 2-4 |
| 17:12.02 | hrw | StarScream: 5000/5500 and US/DE keyboard |
| 17:12.08 | JustinP | Exis: Oh, I see. WHat card are you using? The LinkSys, D-Link, and Ambicom cards are all reported to work fine. (I'm sure there are others...) |
| 17:12.14 | _StarScream | yeh i meant heardware. which one do you have? |
| 17:12.22 | hrw | StarScream: 5500US |
| 17:12.40 | hrw | StarScream: but it is in cradle as I use husky (c760) |
| 17:12.40 | Exis | I'm using a linksys. |
| 17:12.41 | _StarScream | hrw: hmm well i thought mine was US too...how can i tell? |
| 17:12.57 | hrw | StarScream: you have 2 shift keys? |
| 17:13.18 | hrw | StarScream: DE has Shift on left and AltGr on right side |
| 17:13.26 | hrw | StarScream: and ZY reversed |
| 17:13.32 | _StarScream | hrw: yeh i have 2 shift keys |
| 17:13.33 | JustinP | Exis: AFAIK the linksys WCF12 should work fine. It used to at least. Unless you have some new hardware revision (damn Linksys and others for changing hardware unexpecedly). |
| 17:14.01 | JustinP | Exis: There are some notes on the forum about adding lines to certain files to get a Linksys to work I think... |
| 17:14.11 | _StarScream | hrw: just trying to work out why yours works but mine doesn't. |
| 17:14.37 | hrw | linksys wcf12 should work out-of-box under OZ (atleast it does on collie and husky) |
| 17:15.10 | _StarScream | hrw: in terms of the r21 image etc.. |
| 17:15.18 | hrw | StarScream: understood |
| 17:15.57 | hrw | yipstar: rebuilded r20 kernel - now will build hostap |
| 17:17.26 | yipstar | hrw: :) |
| 17:19.35 | alan | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:21.22 | JustinP | what's the difference between Alt and AltGr? |
| 17:22.36 | _StarScream | so what is the best zaurii to get then ? in terms of OZ support |
| 17:22.53 | meshuga | i am using a wcf12. |
| 17:22.58 | meshuga | works great. |
| 17:23.10 | meshuga | _StarScream : i think the c8xx or c7xx |
| 17:23.34 | meshuga | and i have a c1000 |
| 17:23.35 | _StarScream | hmm and everything on those works fully? |
| 17:23.46 | meshuga | i think so, but i'm not the person to ask, i've never owned one of them |
| 17:23.48 | JustinP | The 5500 has been around for ages and works great (at least always did for me). However, it's not the best machine. Pretty slow and such. I love my C3000 but it's not 100% yet, lots of little problems. |
| 17:23.53 | meshuga | just a 5500 and a c1000. |
| 17:24.12 | JustinP | The c7/8xx have also been around for a while and people seem to like them a lot. |
| 17:24.27 | alan | XorA has a 860 iirc, and each time i ask for something that won't work on 750 works on his zaurus... |
| 17:25.03 | alan | but i admitt this may come from me... ^^' |
| 17:25.07 | _StarScream | JustinP: i have a 5500 already |
| 17:25.27 | _StarScream | but hrw is pretty much the only one working on stuff for it afaik |
| 17:25.39 | Exis | hmm... my exact card is listed in hostap_cs.conf |
| 17:25.52 | hrw | yipstar: http://home.hrw.one.pl/tmp/ |
| 17:25.53 | _StarScream | i like messing with the 5500 but i actually wouldn't mind a pda i can just use :) |
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| 17:26.32 | hrw | StarScream: best is c7x0 so c760/c860 |
| 17:27.00 | JustinP | _StarScream: so leave the Sharp Rom on your Zaurus...it "just works". |
| 17:27.03 | _StarScream | hrw: cheers. I will have a look for em. |
| 17:27.14 | _StarScream | JustinP: unfortunately it doesnt have wireless drivers |
| 17:27.18 | JustinP | OZ is wonderful but takes a little work |
| 17:27.22 | hrw | 5500 is most popular but wont get 2.6 kernel working rather, poodle (5600) is most unsupported device |
| 17:27.31 | JustinP | _StarScream: my WCF12 worked with the Sharp Rom.... |
| 17:28.05 | JustinP | C3000/3100/1000 will have a 2.6 kernel before too long hopefully. |
| 17:28.24 | JustinP | and many are hoping that will fix many of the problems |
| 17:28.29 | _StarScream | JustinP: do you have a link for that card. |
| 17:28.50 | JustinP | _StarScream: a link? what do you mean? |
| 17:28.55 | hrw | JustinP: under 2.6 there will probably be one kernel for c1000/c3000/c3100 like it is done for c7x0 |
| 17:28.57 | _StarScream | hrw: is it lack of docs and help from sharp that causes the issue with 2.6 |
| 17:29.14 | hrw | StarScream: lack of doc |
| 17:29.46 | hrw | ~locomo |
| 17:29.46 | ibot | locomo is, like, a completely undocumented chip in the Sharp Zaurus |
| 17:31.03 | alan | here comes another thing i don't understand why can i not use the -X argument to ssh ? |
| 17:31.46 | hrw | alan: ipkg remove dropbear;ipkg install openssh and cry because it will take >1M flash |
| 17:32.02 | alan | hrw: ok ! thanks. |
| 17:32.14 | JustinP | hrw: I know. And all the better for it. :-) |
| 17:32.26 | hrw | JustinP: you have spitz? |
| 17:32.28 | alan | hrw: i have 7 megs free on / anyway... |
| 17:32.36 | hrw | alan: I have hmm.. |
| 17:32.55 | JustinP | _StarScream: plus the fact that they have lineo do the kernel and those kernels are the source of much of the grief on the Zaurii. They're fragile and not written well at all. |
| 17:33.16 | alan | hrw: and 21 on /home :) |
| 17:33.17 | JustinP | (or at least this is what I hear. I'm not a kernel dev myself) |
| 17:33.38 | _StarScream | JustinP: who did the C7x series kerneles |
| 17:33.40 | _StarScream | kernels |
| 17:33.55 | hrw | 2.4.xx zaurus kernels suxx |
| 17:33.55 | JustinP | _StarScream: not sure, try looking on google |
| 17:34.34 | hrw | 2.6 are made by OZ team people - some parts are sharp/embedix/who-knows-who-wrote-that-part/or-that-part |
| 17:34.57 | hrw | JustinP: feel free to improve it ;) |
| 17:35.21 | hrw | but that non-OZ parts was rewritten, cleared etc so... |
| 17:35.54 | JustinP | hrw: it's one of those things which is on my todo list...I have a lot I'm "working on" right now, though. ;-) First of all I want to fix bugs and make my Z more usable. Hence the addition of lineakd, support for CE-RH2, mpd, etc. I us emy Z to play music quite a bit. :-) |
| 17:36.12 | hrw | JustinP: yes I noticed ;) |
| 17:36.39 | hrw | JustinP: its good to get working base system as a start - users can install what they want |
| 17:36.49 | JustinP | anyone in here have a C7/8xx with a CE-RH1 remote? |
| 17:38.44 | meshuga | ok i cant locate sharp compat lib anywhere |
| 17:38.55 | meshuga | just oz compat |
| 17:38.57 | meshuga | anyone got it? |
| 17:39.12 | hrw | meshuga: it is in feed of 3.5.3 oz |
| 17:39.13 | JustinP | did you try the feeds? |
| 17:39.16 | yipstar | hrw: wonderful. do I install them all? |
| 17:39.17 | meshuga | ohh |
| 17:39.22 | meshuga | ok |
| 17:39.25 | hrw | yipstar: modules, modules-cs |
| 17:39.33 | meshuga | haha i've been on sharprom soo long i neglect to think to use official feeds |
| 17:40.02 | yipstar | hrw: gotcha |
| 17:40.08 | hrw | meshuga: OZ has feed splitted into several as whole list will probably wont fit in ram |
| 17:40.15 | hrw | yipstar: installed? |
| 17:40.15 | JustinP | meshuga: you really should only use things in the feeds unless someone says their ipk is compatible with the newer OZ builds. OZ uses a different toolchain. |
| 17:40.33 | _StarScream | JustinP: i think i tried that wifi card with my z rom 2.39 and it didn't work. the WCF12? |
| 17:40.39 | yipstar | hrw: not yet, do I do r2 or r1 ipk's ? |
| 17:41.18 | meshuga | ah sharp compat is installed |
| 17:41.22 | hrw | w8 - I just removed them.. |
| 17:42.43 | JustinP | _StarScream: well I remember it working for me.... |
| 17:43.02 | _StarScream | hmm maybe it was the II model |
| 17:48.29 | JustinP | *why* can't I find someone with the CE-RH1 remote.... |
| 17:50.51 | alan | hrw: uninstalling dropbear removed system startup links... should i rewrite some ? If so, then, i may need some help ... |
| 17:52.58 | hrw | its normal |
| 17:53.01 | hrw | pizza time |
| 17:53.02 | hrw | cu |
| 17:55.17 | JustinP | alan: install openssh, it should put them back I think |
| 17:55.49 | alan | JustinP: ok. thanks. |
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| 18:01.18 | alan | aaaaahhh ! it works ! |
| 18:01.31 | alan | open office writer on my Z ^^ |
| 18:01.44 | alan | i love X fowarding ! |
| 18:05.22 | JustinP | heh.... |
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| 18:44.39 | alan | hrw: ssh -X works now. thanks |
| 18:44.54 | hrw | np |
| 18:52.03 | alan | hrw: i can launch startgnome from the Zaurus now and have my mandrake desktop on my Z ! that is great ! but it uses the same display as GPE. Is there any way to use another one ? |
| 18:53.40 | hrw | windowmanager other? add it into OE |
| 19:03.22 | alan | hrw: mmm... i didn't explain well. |
| 19:06.09 | alan | via ssh -X, i can export the display from gnome (on my mandrake) to my Zaurus. but when i do it from VT2, gnome is displayed on top of GPE. Is there a way to use another vt just for the exported gnome ? |
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| 19:14.23 | yipstar | hrw: sorry to bug ya, but I wasn't sure what the difference in the r1 and r2 ipks were on the link you sent me to try to update hostap-modules |
| 19:24.16 | hrw | yipstar: r1 was older ones - now only one are available there |
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| 19:25.01 | hrw | alan: I know what you mean - I used that to run netscape4 on my amiga years ago |
| 19:25.01 | alan | on an amiga Oo |
| 19:25.01 | alan | wow... |
| 19:25.24 | yipstar | hrw: ok, thanks, lemme give em a whirl then. |
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| 21:00.10 | Com[Plex] | whats a good benchmark utillity that doesnt test video? |
| 21:00.12 | Com[Plex] | lol |
| 21:00.15 | Com[Plex] | whoa, wrong channel. |
| 21:23.32 | alan | good night ! |
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| 22:04.36 | EnceloAMD | hi |
| 22:04.51 | EnceloAMD | how can I use libsdl extra libraries on GPE? |
| 22:36.15 | kolla_ | hehe, nice zaurus thread on slashdot |
| 22:36.15 | EnceloAMD | which is the package containing C standard includes? |
| 22:38.22 | JustinP | I was asking that just the other day...and many days before that... |
| 22:38.27 | JustinP | libc6-dev I think |
| 22:42.12 | EnceloAMD | it sounds like you're right :) |
| 22:44.30 | JustinP | however it may be missing other things...I tried to run a configure script and it bailed on me because syslimits.h is missing. I haven't figured out yet how to get that. I don't think it's in any packages. |
| 22:53.20 | EnceloAMD | I will try |
| 22:53.45 | EnceloAMD | it's downloading glibc-extra-nss_2.3.2+cvs20040726-r15_arm.ipk... |
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| 23:30.53 | yipstar | hrw|gone: thanks for building those hostap modules, my wifi card is back up and working! :) |
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