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01:41.47 | itsonlyme | hi |
01:46.55 | itsonlyme | has anyone managed to set up IRK on 3.5.3? |
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01:55.13 | itsonlyme | has anyone managed to set up IRK on 3.5.3? |
01:55.46 | itsonlyme | If you got that message twice, sorry. I disconted and i didn;t know if it made it... |
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02:51.37 | KarlsBerg | hi |
02:51.46 | KarlsBerg | sorry |
02:51.53 | KarlsBerg | subdue, |
02:52.05 | KarlsBerg | what URL is the good FTP of OZ ? |
02:54.00 | KarlsBerg | :( |
02:54.07 | KarlsBerg | dont save logs... :( |
02:55.16 | KarlsBerg | JustinP, and you? are you live ? |
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05:28.00 | earthwalker | Hello, Looking for some help with KOPI alarm problem. When suspended the alarm does not go off! I have looked and have not found a kopi-alarm or a doc on how to fix it. I have kopi_2.1.1 and kopi-applet_2.1.1. Has anybody fixed this? Where can I find the fix? Thanks |
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05:51.50 | earthwalker | Maybe if this is not the place, then can sameone point me in the right direction?? Thanks |
05:52.51 | JustinP | perhaps everyone's asleep? |
05:53.51 | earthwalker | Maybe. Would you know when there are people here? |
05:54.09 | earthwalker | I should say do you know a good time? |
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06:02.12 | JustinP | during the normal US business day there are generally people here. Say, in 8 hours or so |
06:02.21 | JustinP | argh |
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06:45.10 | rabies | how mature is GPE compared to OPIE? |
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07:55.18 | hrw|work | morning people |
08:00.36 | ljp | evening |
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09:01.38 | StarScream | morn |
09:02.02 | XorA | morning |
09:05.03 | alan_ | yop yop ! |
09:05.41 | XorA | alan_: gnumeric is now in feed :-) |
09:06.13 | alan_ | XorA: cool ! I never use this prog, but it's good news anyway :) |
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14:45.41 | KarlsBerg | hi |
14:46.54 | KarlsBerg | <PROTECTED> |
14:46.57 | KarlsBerg | what is ? |
14:48.37 | hrw|busy | thats bootstrap-image for collie |
14:49.40 | hrw|busy | easy |
14:51.35 | CoreDump|home | bootstrap = no GUI, console only |
14:52.06 | hrw|busy | KarlsBerg: read ReleaseNotes |
14:52.39 | KarlsBerg | in 5500 dont read any |
14:53.04 | hrw|busy | ~users |
14:53.04 | ibot | so this is what we get for sharing our unpaid volunteer work with you? complaints and accuses? <irony> well done, this clearly supports our motivation to continue working on open source projects. </irony> |
14:53.30 | CoreDump|home | ~developers |
14:53.33 | CoreDump|home | :) |
14:53.33 | hrw|busy | KarlsBerg: http://www.openzaurus.org/ - left menu |
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14:57.24 | jethro | hello |
14:57.26 | KarlsBerg | left menu |
14:57.29 | KarlsBerg | ums and ? |
14:57.46 | KarlsBerg | release notes ok |
14:57.46 | KarlsBerg | xD |
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16:09.43 | TheMakedUnit | mornin |
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17:03.29 | rabies | hi |
17:05.28 | rabies | hey, i was wondering, how mature is opie vs gpe? |
17:06.43 | JustinP | both work just fine |
17:07.49 | rabies | gaim |
17:07.51 | rabies | gah |
17:08.05 | rabies | friggin applet |
17:12.09 | rabies | mm |
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19:20.16 | jnc | JustinP: :) |
19:56.53 | JustinP | jnc: .... |
19:57.06 | jnc | :) |
19:57.18 | jnc | so uh, how's your week been |
19:59.10 | JustinP | jnc: something wrong? |
19:59.19 | JustinP | my week is just started |
19:59.24 | jnc | 'k |
19:59.25 | JustinP | and it's not going well... |
19:59.31 | jnc | bummer to hear that |
20:00.55 | jnc | JustinP: i have a trouble with the touch screen, it seems the orientation of the touchscreen does not match the screen orientation graphically |
20:01.10 | jnc | i don't know what config file governs that |
20:01.25 | JustinP | are you sure? |
20:01.45 | JustinP | or is it that the touchscreen seems to be about 1 inch off? |
20:02.20 | JustinP | I find that sometimes when I start GPE the cursor is below where I'm touching |
20:02.28 | jnc | i'm pretty sure the axis is upside down and backwards |
20:02.32 | JustinP | once I login I rotate, then rotate back and it's fine |
20:02.37 | JustinP | strange |
20:02.45 | jnc | yeah. |
20:02.50 | JustinP | I haven't seem anything like that lately |
20:02.58 | JustinP | what happens when you rotate? |
20:03.07 | jnc | having trouble getting to that point ;) |
20:03.23 | jnc | i'll reboot and try it |
20:03.25 | JustinP | use your cursor keys and open a terminal |
20:03.33 | JustinP | /usr/bin/xrandr-pandelapp.sh |
20:03.39 | JustinP | panelapp |
20:03.47 | jnc | 'k |
20:03.58 | jnc | i had trouble installing util-linux |
20:04.09 | JustinP | ummm.... |
20:04.12 | jnc | first of all, the "etc-alternatives" you spoke of was not there or not being used |
20:04.29 | jnc | secondly, ipkg failed with an error similar to the firefox ipkg error you described |
20:04.45 | JustinP | "update alternatives" |
20:04.49 | jnc | ohh okay |
20:04.52 | JustinP | and what's util-linux? |
20:04.58 | jnc | it contains loadkeys |
20:05.05 | jnc | needed to load the fixed keymap |
20:05.07 | JustinP | console-tools isn't it? |
20:05.10 | jnc | oh |
20:05.15 | jnc | maybe it was console-tools |
20:05.21 | jnc | i will try console-tools |
20:05.24 | JustinP | installed ok on mine |
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20:05.56 | jnc | how would we auto-rotate the screen? |
20:06.02 | jnc | i miss having that work |
20:08.07 | JustinP | not 100% sure....showkey shows keycode 102 pressed and released when I close my Z with the screen rptated |
20:08.20 | JustinP | it shows 102 pressed *twice* when I close with screen closed |
20:08.53 | jnc | oh |
20:09.06 | jnc | i use the utility which shows if the screen is closed or open |
20:09.11 | JustinP | plus it gets pressed when you close it then again when you open it |
20:09.17 | jnc | slsomething |
20:09.20 | JustinP | which utility is that? |
20:09.34 | jnc | i really wish i had ALT mapped to something |
20:09.39 | jnc | for ctrl+alt+del |
20:09.57 | JustinP | I wish I had alt mapped for emacs and such |
20:10.13 | jnc | those kana keys are useless to me |
20:10.18 | JustinP | I tried to map it to one of the japanese keys but it doesn't work |
20:10.22 | jnc | oh |
20:10.27 | JustinP | one of them I have as "/" and it works well |
20:10.38 | jnc | you mean that won't function to map them to alt? |
20:10.40 | JustinP | I might eb doing it wrong but I don't think so as my other keys work.... |
20:10.46 | JustinP | I tried it |
20:10.49 | JustinP | doesn't work |
20:11.04 | JustinP | a key is pressed (I can see the cursor blink) but it does nothing (at least nothing useful) |
20:11.18 | JustinP | perhaps GPE is misinterpreting Alt |
20:11.25 | JustinP | (doesn't work on command-line either, though...) |
20:12.30 | jnc | i'm thinking that maybe ALT is mapped to something else |
20:13.00 | JustinP | and I'm not sure where to check up on that... |
20:13.41 | jnc | JustinP: okay |
20:13.43 | jnc | up is left |
20:13.45 | jnc | down is right |
20:13.54 | jnc | (referring to GPE and touchscreen) |
20:14.27 | JustinP | strange |
20:14.31 | JustinP | did you alter any files? |
20:14.55 | jnc | left is down |
20:14.58 | jnc | right is up |
20:15.02 | jnc | this should be fun |
20:15.15 | JustinP | try rotating |
20:20.21 | JustinP | s |
20:20.49 | _StarScream | hey al |
20:20.51 | _StarScream | all* |
20:20.58 | jnc | hi |
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20:26.58 | JustinP | I am so overloaded with information.....I can't handle it |
20:27.24 | jnc | that's a common problem in modern society, you hear that a lot, eh? |
20:27.34 | jnc | too much, very busy, not enough time |
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20:28.10 | jnc | /etc/network/interfaces is not defaulting to be connecting via usbd0 statically |
20:28.15 | jnc | it expects dhcp |
20:28.22 | jnc | is that correct default behavior? |
20:30.12 | JustinP | not sure |
20:30.16 | JustinP | I set mine up to be static... |
20:30.22 | JustinP | I think you have to specify it |
20:30.53 | jnc | okay yeah i added that and it works of course |
20:31.21 | JustinP | I just get so much information from all of the projects I'm interested in and/or working on, am on 5+IRC channels all day, there are so many overlapping projects, patterns, designs, etc....I just can't handle all this |
20:32.07 | jnc | it's quite a lot |
20:32.17 | jnc | i focus mainly on Freematrix |
20:32.35 | TheMakedUnit | may i suggest you grab a beer :) |
20:32.38 | jnc | i'm also a gentoo dev, openwrt enthusiast, openzaurus user... |
20:33.43 | alan__ | hi guys ! |
20:34.15 | alan__ | i bought a cheap laptop (500 euros) but my wifi card won't work. Any one here could help me ? |
20:35.02 | alan__ | i installed the win 2k/xp drivers for my wifi card with ndiswrapper 1.2 without any problem, ndiswrapper -l returns "netw33 driver present, hardware present" but ifup wlan0 gives "ndiswrapperdevice wlan0 does not seem to be present, delaying initialization." |
20:35.24 | alan__ | i'd take any suggestion... |
20:35.30 | jnc | uhh |
20:35.33 | JustinP | don't use windows drivers perhaps? ;-) |
20:35.33 | jnc | wrong channel? |
20:35.53 | jnc | try #gentoo |
20:35.58 | alan__ | jnc: no... i didn't find any help anywhere. it's just a try here. |
20:36.09 | alan__ | jnc: ok. thanks. |
20:36.23 | jnc | i know how frustrating that can be |
20:36.30 | jnc | if it does not work in linux, i do not buy it. |
20:36.46 | alan__ | hehe... i should have checked this BEFORE... |
20:37.28 | jnc | return the fucking thing |
20:37.44 | jnc | "it does not work with my workstation. sell me one that does." |
20:38.03 | jnc | madwifi cards are supposedly the best |
20:38.08 | jnc | they are not 100% open and free |
20:38.44 | jnc | howevery, madwifi drivers are stable mostly, and have added functionality over the prism stuff |
20:40.52 | jnc | uhh |
20:41.01 | jnc | man it's getting worse |
20:41.05 | alan__ | ^^ |
20:41.29 | jnc | ooo-kay |
20:41.35 | jnc | my zaurus' screen is upside down |
20:41.48 | TheMakedUnit | no complaints about madwifi here works great |
20:41.52 | alan__ | i don't feel like returning this laptop.... i will never have any cheaper offer. i'm sure there is a way to have it working. |
20:42.09 | jnc | built in? |
20:42.13 | jnc | i wouldn't use it |
20:42.38 | TheMakedUnit | yes, built in Super G Atheros |
20:42.48 | jnc | ohhh atheros |
20:43.02 | jnc | that's madwifi aint it? |
20:43.06 | JustinP | jnc: /usr/bin/xrandr-pandelapp.sh |
20:43.06 | alan__ | i don't even know the model of my card... |
20:43.12 | jnc | JustinP: you're my hero |
20:43.14 | alan__ | is there a way to know it ? |
20:43.18 | JustinP | argh!! |
20:43.21 | JustinP | panel |
20:43.38 | jnc | howevery you spell it |
20:43.41 | JustinP | I've been using computers for how long now and I can't type correctly?? WTF! |
20:44.02 | jnc | root@torgo:~# /usr/bin/xrandr-panelapp.sh |
20:44.02 | jnc | xmodmap: unable to open file '/etc/X11/xmodmap-right' for reading |
20:44.02 | jnc | xmodmap: 1 error encountered, aborting. |
20:44.15 | TheMakedUnit | MADWiFi - Multiband Atheros Driver for WiFi |
20:44.33 | jnc | JustinP: uhhh.... |
20:44.37 | jnc | why are those files missing |
20:44.49 | jnc | /etc/X11/xmod* is not there |
20:44.51 | _StarScream | JustinP: you know how you were saying the other night, it was better to store the / on an SD card? |
20:45.09 | JustinP | jnc: I don't have those files either |
20:45.16 | JustinP | _StarScream: yes? |
20:45.41 | _StarScream | JustinP: which system do you use...? OZ doesn't store it on / by default |
20:45.48 | _StarScream | or do you build your own |
20:46.05 | JustinP | OZ, of course |
20:46.24 | JustinP | easiest way is to use an image file in the card |
20:46.37 | JustinP | look up "rboot" there is a small howto there I think |
20:46.46 | JustinP | there's also the "hentges" rom..... |
20:46.57 | JustinP | there's also an altboot package which I havent' looked into yet |
20:46.59 | _StarScream | ah ok, cheers. Yeh using hentges atm |
20:47.14 | _StarScream | doesn't seem to wanna play with my wifi |
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20:49.54 | jnc | JustinP: something should be done about those xmodmap things |
20:50.03 | jnc | either by changing the script, or adding new files and symlinks |
20:50.16 | JustinP | jnc: xrandr -o normal (or inverted/left/right) |
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20:53.35 | paxl | Hey there, what is the best Zaurus to buy now ?? Is a 5500 enough for many task.. [ I'm a linux freak since a long time.. so .. I'd like to have some review of each model .. ] |
20:53.42 | jnc | JustinP: right->down, left->up... etc. |
20:53.48 | jnc | mouse axis is still fubar |
20:54.02 | JustinP | jnc: don't know what to tell you....sounds like you changed something and broke it |
20:54.04 | jnc | has the OZ build been updated |
20:54.05 | jnc | hehe |
20:54.07 | JustinP | jnc: try updating from my feed |
20:54.09 | jnc | i think i ipkg upgrade'd |
20:54.10 | jnc | okay |
20:54.19 | JustinP | I haven't changed it in a few days... |
20:54.33 | jnc | also i wanted to ask if you knew a way to disable all feeds except the papercrane one |
20:55.04 | JustinP | jnc: remove them from the ipkg.conf |
20:55.13 | jnc | there's multiple confs |
20:55.13 | JustinP | jnc: then remove your lists in /usr/lib/ipkg/lists |
20:55.15 | jnc | ;) |
20:55.20 | jnc | okay |
20:55.34 | JustinP | paxl: best for what? |
20:58.17 | paxl | JustinP: Bahh as beein a toy and an pda... |
20:59.08 | JustinP | paxl: how much are you willing to spend? The new Cxx00 series is pretty cool. But they cost a good bit. Plus they're not fully "supported" in OZ yet. But if you're a Linux hacker you could help us. |
20:59.32 | paxl | yeah.. but I don't have this much.. |
20:59.37 | paxl | this is the problem.. |
20:59.44 | paxl | I'm around 200$ |
21:00.31 | jnc | i would save your money |
21:00.36 | jnc | err |
21:00.42 | jnc | i would suggest saving your money |
21:00.53 | paxl | Ok I see... |
21:01.32 | jnc | i picked up my c3000 for 550 |
21:01.56 | paxl | yeah.. |
21:02.04 | jnc | it's not worth $550usd. |
21:02.09 | paxl | oki |
21:02.21 | jnc | i love it, the geek factor is unparalleled |
21:02.42 | paxl | but dont worth 550 us |
21:02.47 | JustinP | jnc: I think it's worth that much myself |
21:02.55 | JustinP | jnc: I also payed ~$900 for it.... |
21:03.10 | jnc | when you get right down to it, this thing does not function like common x86 hardware functions, so ... that's not really so great to me. the flip side is that i would spend nearly any reasonable amount for a reliable PDA function |
21:03.18 | jnc | the C3k does not reliably function as a PDA. |
21:03.40 | JustinP | paxl: you can always get a Cx0 as well, those are supposed ot be pretty good. Not sure if you can get them that cheap though. The 5500 is nice but somewhat outdated. Still works fine as long as you put a little effort into it. |
21:04.02 | jnc | it's kind of neat to have. at this point, it's an overpriced toy |
21:04.08 | JustinP | jnc: the Sharp Rom works fine for PDA stuff...and if you use Kopi it's just fine. |
21:04.09 | jnc | that's my take on it |
21:04.18 | jnc | JustinP: i tried. i mean, really tried. |
21:04.24 | JustinP | ::shrug:: |
21:04.30 | JustinP | I've never really used it as a PDA anyway |
21:04.33 | jnc | SharpROM could not replace my 6 year old Palm IIIxe |
21:04.38 | JustinP | it's just another time-sink for me...:-| |
21:04.38 | paxl | mouarf.. what do you mean by put a little effort in 5500 |
21:04.50 | JustinP | paxl: mouarf? |
21:05.04 | paxl | [ like ehh.. I'm french ] |
21:05.10 | JustinP | paxl: I mean that you should get a decent sized SD card as well (256MB+) and put your root FS on that |
21:05.11 | paxl | [ quebecer to be more precise ] |
21:05.30 | paxl | is this possible without that much problem ? |
21:05.37 | JustinP | people seem not to listen to me when I tell them to do that, though.... |
21:05.52 | JustinP | it's not too hard, no |
21:05.57 | JustinP | pretty simple actually |
21:06.05 | JustinP | especially if you know a little about linux |
21:06.15 | paxl | becaus I can affort a 5500 at 130 on ebay.. |
21:06.30 | paxl | and 512 sd card isn't that much high tough |
21:06.31 | jnc | 5500's i hear are quite well supported |
21:06.50 | paxl | and do the PDA stuff is good or not all supported ? |
21:07.10 | JustinP | Opie has PDA programs |
21:07.17 | JustinP | and there's also kopi which is really nice |
21:07.18 | jnc | you'll get more entertainment out of a $50 hooker and a $150 digital camera though |
21:07.31 | jnc | (for the $200 price range) |
21:07.45 | jnc | Opie is neat |
21:07.54 | paxl | jnc: I'm searching for an pda.. not a digital camera :) |
21:08.05 | jnc | i don't like Qt based stuff for some reason, i just can't stand using it when there's a Gtk-based alternative |
21:08.20 | jnc | paxl: pick up an old Palm IIIxe |
21:08.24 | jnc | flash the os to 4.1 |
21:08.27 | jnc | and be done |
21:08.42 | jnc | Palm IIIxe's come with OS 3.5 which is crap |
21:09.30 | jnc | they're durable as fuck. i've dropped my IIIxe no less than 12 times |
21:09.37 | jnc | no cracks, no scrapes |
21:10.07 | paxl | uhm.. I'll see |
21:10.07 | jnc | i've also got a tendancy to drop the expensive stuff - my c3k i dropped a couple of times |
21:10.10 | jnc | it's very well built |
21:10.22 | jnc | i wouldn't expect it to last more than 2 drops though |
21:10.31 | paxl | the 5500 is giving me some tentation :S |
21:10.40 | jnc | :) |
21:11.12 | jnc | when it comes down to function, the old Palm units are damn difficult to surpass |
21:12.10 | paxl | euh.. question, pluggin an Z to the net is possible through wifi or not ? |
21:12.28 | JustinP | yes |
21:13.22 | paxl | Why am I not richer :( |
21:14.38 | TheMakedUnit | i dont know about the whole pluggin the z to the net |
21:16.13 | paxl | http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=38331&item=5795256945&rd=1 << this is one deal |
21:16.17 | paxl | :) |
21:16.32 | jnc | cahhhhhhhnuck canuk canuk canuk *sings* |
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21:53.15 | jnc | dooo di do di dooo |
22:33.26 | hound | dum de dum dum |
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22:37.43 | JustinP | jnc: still around? Want auto-rotation based on your hinge? ;-) |
22:38.02 | JustinP | jnc: because I can now make it happen |
22:38.26 | JustinP | (heh, of course it's probably not the "right" way to do it but what do I care? it works) |
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22:57.48 | TheMaskedUnit | welcome to #opensores |
23:00.20 | TheMaskedUnit | had to get that out of my system |
23:09.19 | jnc | JustinP: ooooh |
23:09.48 | jnc | JustinP: *deep nerdy voice* i'm ready for your commands |
23:10.07 | JustinP | deep *and* nerdy? is this possible? |
23:10.22 | JustinP | step one: install lineak form my feed |
23:10.26 | JustinP | from |
23:13.30 | JustinP | how do I negate a shell "if"? |
23:13.33 | JustinP | if slbl | grep -q 0; then |
23:17.24 | JustinP | jnc: still around? |
23:21.48 | hound | heh |
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23:28.28 | JustinP | jnc: anyway, should you return, you can get my lineakd config file and shell scripts at http://oe.reversefold.com/sh |
23:28.52 | JustinP | jnc: put the lineakd.conf in ~/.lineak |
23:29.01 | JustinP | jnc: then type "lineakd &" |
23:29.09 | JustinP | jnc: also, put the shell scripts in ~ |
23:29.27 | jnc | so much, info. melting. brain |
23:29.38 | JustinP | jnc: THere's also mpd control scripts and such for my CE-RH2 remote. You can remove those form the conf file and references to mpd in the suspend.sh |
23:29.55 | JustinP | jnc: stop making fun of me |
23:32.25 | JustinP | jnc: if this is all too much or you're stuck let me know. First get lineak installed. |
23:39.19 | paxl | After a good reflection.. I'll wait like 1 year and get a Zaurus C3000 |
23:39.31 | paxl | thank you JustinP |
23:40.23 | JustinP | paxl: ok :-/ |
23:41.40 | paxl | JustinP: http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=38331&item=5795256945&rd=1 << this deal is pretty cool.. but I was trying to find me the utility of an PDA because I always have my portable with me ... |
23:42.00 | paxl | I want one.. this is for sure.. |
23:42.54 | JustinP | that on'es pretty nice |
23:43.07 | JustinP | I used to have a 5500 until I zapped it with a bad power adapter |
23:43.09 | paxl | yeah it is pretty price less |
23:43.38 | paxl | Can we program On Zaurus ? |
23:45.15 | JustinP | yes, it's possible, although you need lots more space for that to install the -dev packages for th eheaders of any packages you need to link against |
23:45.30 | jnc | JustinP: if [ ! (condition to be evaluated here) ]; then |
23:45.31 | jnc | i think |
23:45.34 | JustinP | I have gcc and all of the related tools on my zaurus and got emacs compiled :-) |
23:45.43 | jnc | that's for bash |
23:45.48 | jnc | can't imagine what it might be for ash |
23:45.51 | jnc | if not similar |
23:45.57 | JustinP | jnc: the problem with that is that the if I'm doing doesn't have [ in it... |
23:46.06 | JustinP | [ is a symlink to the "test" binary ;-) |
23:46.11 | jnc | oh |
23:46.32 | JustinP | at least sometimes |
23:46.59 | JustinP | anyway...I don't know how to get it working with my shell command as it has *no help* and it' simpossible to find docs for "[" |
23:47.13 | JustinP | jnc: did you get my script working? |
23:47.14 | paxl | JustinP: but is that possible on a 5500 with 256 mb of SD ? |
23:48.28 | JustinP | paxl: you can do at least some things, yes |
23:48.41 | JustinP | paxl: space is the largest issue |
23:54.57 | jnc | i dont know man |
23:55.56 | JustinP | jnc: just install the ipk from my feed.... |
23:56.04 | jnc | yeah that seems to be a problem |
23:56.10 | JustinP | problem? |
23:59.36 | jnc | ipkg is freaking out |
23:59.39 | jnc | dang nabbit |
23:59.47 | jnc | i'm frustrating myself here |
23:59.49 | JustinP | :-| |