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01:46.55itsonlymehas anyone managed to set up IRK on 3.5.3?
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01:55.13itsonlymehas anyone managed to set up IRK on 3.5.3?
01:55.46itsonlymeIf you got that message twice, sorry.  I disconted and i didn;t know if it made it...
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02:51.37KarlsBerghi
02:51.46KarlsBergsorry
02:51.53KarlsBergsubdue,
02:52.05KarlsBergwhat URL is the good FTP of OZ ?
02:54.00KarlsBerg:(
02:54.07KarlsBergdont save logs... :(
02:55.16KarlsBergJustinP,  and you? are you live ?
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05:28.00earthwalkerHello,  Looking for some help with KOPI alarm problem.  When suspended the alarm does not go off!  I have looked and have not found a kopi-alarm or a doc on how to fix it.  I have kopi_2.1.1 and kopi-applet_2.1.1.  Has anybody fixed this?  Where can I find the fix?  Thanks
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05:51.50earthwalkerMaybe if this is not the place, then can sameone point me in the right direction??  Thanks
05:52.51JustinPperhaps everyone's asleep?
05:53.51earthwalkerMaybe.  Would you know when there are people here?
05:54.09earthwalkerI should say do you know a good time?
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06:02.12JustinPduring the normal US business day there are generally people here. Say, in 8 hours or so
06:02.21JustinPargh
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06:45.10rabieshow mature is GPE compared to OPIE?
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07:55.18hrw|workmorning people
08:00.36ljpevening
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09:02.02XorAmorning
09:05.03alan_yop yop !
09:05.41XorAalan_: gnumeric is now in feed :-)
09:06.13alan_XorA: cool ! I never use this prog, but it's good news anyway :)
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14:45.41KarlsBerghi
14:46.54KarlsBerg<PROTECTED>
14:46.57KarlsBergwhat is ?
14:48.37hrw|busythats bootstrap-image for collie
14:49.40hrw|busyeasy
14:51.35CoreDump|homebootstrap = no GUI, console only
14:52.06hrw|busyKarlsBerg: read ReleaseNotes
14:52.39KarlsBergin 5500 dont read any
14:53.04hrw|busy~users
14:53.04ibotso this is what we get for sharing our unpaid volunteer work with you? complaints and accuses? <irony> well done, this clearly supports our motivation to continue working on open source projects. </irony>
14:53.30CoreDump|home~developers
14:53.33CoreDump|home:)
14:53.33hrw|busyKarlsBerg: http://www.openzaurus.org/ - left menu
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14:57.24jethrohello
14:57.26KarlsBergleft menu
14:57.29KarlsBergums and ?
14:57.46KarlsBergrelease notes ok
14:57.46KarlsBergxD
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17:03.29rabieshi
17:05.28rabieshey, i was wondering, how mature is opie vs gpe?
17:06.43JustinPboth work just fine
17:07.49rabiesgaim
17:07.51rabiesgah
17:08.05rabiesfriggin applet
17:12.09rabiesmm
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19:20.16jncJustinP: :)
19:56.53JustinPjnc: ....
19:57.06jnc:)
19:57.18jncso uh, how's your week been
19:59.10JustinPjnc: something wrong?
19:59.19JustinPmy week is just started
19:59.24jnc'k
19:59.25JustinPand it's not going well...
19:59.31jncbummer to hear that
20:00.55jncJustinP: i have a trouble with the touch screen,  it seems the orientation of the touchscreen does not match the screen orientation graphically
20:01.10jnci don't know what config file governs that
20:01.25JustinPare you sure?
20:01.45JustinPor is it that the touchscreen seems to be about 1 inch off?
20:02.20JustinPI find that sometimes when I start GPE the cursor is below where I'm touching
20:02.28jnci'm pretty sure the axis is upside down and backwards
20:02.32JustinPonce I login I rotate, then rotate back and it's fine
20:02.37JustinPstrange
20:02.45jncyeah.
20:02.50JustinPI haven't seem anything like that lately
20:02.58JustinPwhat happens when you rotate?
20:03.07jnchaving trouble getting to that point ;)
20:03.23jnci'll reboot and try it
20:03.25JustinPuse your cursor keys and open a terminal
20:03.33JustinP/usr/bin/xrandr-pandelapp.sh
20:03.39JustinPpanelapp
20:03.47jnc'k
20:03.58jnci had trouble installing util-linux
20:04.09JustinPummm....
20:04.12jncfirst of all, the "etc-alternatives" you spoke of was not there or not being used
20:04.29jncsecondly, ipkg failed with an error similar to the firefox ipkg error you described
20:04.45JustinP"update alternatives"
20:04.49jncohh okay
20:04.52JustinPand what's util-linux?
20:04.58jncit contains loadkeys
20:05.05jncneeded to load the fixed keymap
20:05.07JustinPconsole-tools isn't it?
20:05.10jncoh
20:05.15jncmaybe it was console-tools
20:05.21jnci will try console-tools
20:05.24JustinPinstalled ok on mine
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20:05.56jnchow would we auto-rotate the screen?
20:06.02jnci miss having that work
20:08.07JustinPnot 100% sure....showkey shows keycode 102 pressed and released when I close my Z with the screen rptated
20:08.20JustinPit shows 102 pressed *twice* when I close with screen closed
20:08.53jncoh
20:09.06jnci use the utility which shows if the screen is closed or open
20:09.11JustinPplus it gets pressed when you close it then again when you open it
20:09.17jncslsomething
20:09.20JustinPwhich utility is that?
20:09.34jnci really wish i had ALT mapped to something
20:09.39jncfor ctrl+alt+del
20:09.57JustinPI wish I had alt mapped for emacs and such
20:10.13jncthose kana keys are useless to me
20:10.18JustinPI tried to map it to one of the japanese keys but it doesn't work
20:10.22jncoh
20:10.27JustinPone of them I have as "/" and it works well
20:10.38jncyou mean that won't function to map them to alt?
20:10.40JustinPI might eb doing it wrong but I don't think so as my other keys work....
20:10.46JustinPI tried it
20:10.49JustinPdoesn't work
20:11.04JustinPa key is pressed (I can see the cursor blink) but it does nothing (at least nothing useful)
20:11.18JustinPperhaps GPE is misinterpreting Alt
20:11.25JustinP(doesn't work on command-line either, though...)
20:12.30jnci'm thinking that maybe ALT is mapped to something else
20:13.00JustinPand I'm not sure where to check up on that...
20:13.41jncJustinP: okay
20:13.43jncup is left
20:13.45jncdown is right
20:13.54jnc(referring to GPE and touchscreen)
20:14.27JustinPstrange
20:14.31JustinPdid you alter any files?
20:14.55jncleft is down
20:14.58jncright is up
20:15.02jncthis should be fun
20:15.15JustinPtry rotating
20:20.21JustinPs
20:20.49_StarScreamhey al
20:20.51_StarScreamall*
20:20.58jnchi
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20:26.58JustinPI am so overloaded with information.....I can't handle it
20:27.24jncthat's a common problem in modern society, you hear that a lot, eh?
20:27.34jnctoo much, very busy, not enough time
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20:28.10jnc/etc/network/interfaces is not defaulting to be connecting via usbd0 statically
20:28.15jncit expects dhcp
20:28.22jncis that correct default behavior?
20:30.12JustinPnot sure
20:30.16JustinPI set mine up to be static...
20:30.22JustinPI think you have to specify it
20:30.53jncokay yeah i added that and it works of course
20:31.21JustinPI just get so much information from all of the projects I'm interested in and/or working on, am on 5+IRC channels all day, there are so many overlapping projects, patterns, designs, etc....I just can't handle all this
20:32.07jncit's quite a lot
20:32.17jnci focus mainly on Freematrix
20:32.35TheMakedUnitmay i suggest you grab a beer :)
20:32.38jnci'm also a gentoo dev, openwrt enthusiast, openzaurus user...
20:33.43alan__hi guys !
20:34.15alan__i bought a cheap laptop (500 euros) but my wifi card won't work. Any one here could help me ?
20:35.02alan__i installed the win 2k/xp drivers for my wifi card with ndiswrapper 1.2 without any problem, ndiswrapper -l returns "netw33 driver present, hardware present" but ifup wlan0 gives "ndiswrapperdevice wlan0 does not seem to be present, delaying initialization."
20:35.24alan__i'd take any suggestion...
20:35.30jncuhh
20:35.33JustinPdon't use windows drivers perhaps? ;-)
20:35.33jncwrong channel?
20:35.53jnctry #gentoo
20:35.58alan__jnc: no... i didn't find any help anywhere. it's just a try here.
20:36.09alan__jnc: ok. thanks.
20:36.23jnci know how frustrating that can be
20:36.30jncif it does not work in linux, i do not buy it.
20:36.46alan__hehe... i should have checked this BEFORE...
20:37.28jncreturn the fucking thing
20:37.44jnc"it does not work with my workstation.  sell me one that does."
20:38.03jncmadwifi cards are supposedly the best
20:38.08jncthey are not 100% open and free
20:38.44jnchowevery, madwifi drivers are stable mostly, and have added functionality over the prism stuff
20:40.52jncuhh
20:41.01jncman it's getting worse
20:41.05alan__^^
20:41.29jncooo-kay
20:41.35jncmy zaurus' screen is upside down
20:41.48TheMakedUnitno complaints about madwifi here works great
20:41.52alan__i don't feel like returning this laptop.... i will never have any cheaper offer. i'm sure there is a way to have it working.
20:42.09jncbuilt in?
20:42.13jnci wouldn't use it
20:42.38TheMakedUnityes, built in Super G Atheros
20:42.48jncohhh atheros
20:43.02jncthat's madwifi aint it?
20:43.06JustinPjnc: /usr/bin/xrandr-pandelapp.sh
20:43.06alan__i don't even know the model of my card...
20:43.12jncJustinP: you're my hero
20:43.14alan__is there a way to know it ?
20:43.18JustinPargh!!
20:43.21JustinPpanel
20:43.38jnchowevery you spell it
20:43.41JustinPI've been using computers for how long now and I can't type correctly?? WTF!
20:44.02jncroot@torgo:~# /usr/bin/xrandr-panelapp.sh
20:44.02jncxmodmap:  unable to open file '/etc/X11/xmodmap-right' for reading
20:44.02jncxmodmap:  1 error encountered, aborting.
20:44.15TheMakedUnitMADWiFi - Multiband Atheros Driver for WiFi
20:44.33jncJustinP: uhhh....
20:44.37jncwhy are those files missing
20:44.49jnc/etc/X11/xmod* is not there
20:44.51_StarScreamJustinP: you know how you were saying the other night, it was better to store the / on an SD card?
20:45.09JustinPjnc: I don't have those files either
20:45.16JustinP_StarScream: yes?
20:45.41_StarScreamJustinP: which system do you use...? OZ doesn't store it on / by default
20:45.48_StarScreamor do you build your own
20:46.05JustinPOZ, of course
20:46.24JustinPeasiest way is to use an image file in the card
20:46.37JustinPlook up "rboot" there is a small howto there I think
20:46.46JustinPthere's also the "hentges" rom.....
20:46.57JustinPthere's also an altboot package which I havent' looked into yet
20:46.59_StarScreamah ok, cheers. Yeh using hentges atm
20:47.14_StarScreamdoesn't seem to wanna play with my wifi
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20:49.54jncJustinP: something should be done about those xmodmap things
20:50.03jnceither by changing the script, or adding new files and symlinks
20:50.16JustinPjnc: xrandr -o normal (or inverted/left/right)
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20:53.35paxlHey there, what is the best Zaurus to buy now ?? Is a 5500 enough for many task..  [ I'm a linux freak since a long time.. so .. I'd like to have some review of each model .. ]
20:53.42jncJustinP: right->down, left->up... etc.
20:53.48jncmouse axis is still fubar
20:54.02JustinPjnc: don't know what to tell you....sounds like you changed something and broke it
20:54.04jnchas the OZ build been updated
20:54.05jnchehe
20:54.07JustinPjnc: try updating from my feed
20:54.09jnci think i ipkg upgrade'd
20:54.10jncokay
20:54.19JustinPI haven't changed it in a few days...
20:54.33jncalso i wanted to ask if you knew a way to disable all feeds except the papercrane one
20:55.04JustinPjnc: remove them from the ipkg.conf
20:55.13jncthere's multiple confs
20:55.13JustinPjnc: then remove your lists in /usr/lib/ipkg/lists
20:55.15jnc;)
20:55.20jncokay
20:55.34JustinPpaxl: best for what?
20:58.17paxlJustinP: Bahh as beein a toy and an pda...
20:59.08JustinPpaxl: how much are you willing to spend? The new Cxx00 series is pretty cool. But they cost a good bit. Plus they're not fully "supported" in OZ yet. But if you're a Linux hacker you could help us.
20:59.32paxlyeah.. but I don't have this much..
20:59.37paxlthis is the problem..
20:59.44paxlI'm around 200$
21:00.31jnci would save your money
21:00.36jncerr
21:00.42jnci would suggest saving your money
21:00.53paxlOk I see...
21:01.32jnci picked up my c3000 for 550
21:01.56paxlyeah..
21:02.04jncit's not worth $550usd.  
21:02.09paxloki
21:02.21jnci love it, the geek factor is unparalleled
21:02.42paxlbut dont worth 550 us
21:02.47JustinPjnc: I think it's worth that much myself
21:02.55JustinPjnc: I also payed ~$900 for it....
21:03.10jncwhen you get right down to it, this thing does not function like common x86 hardware functions, so ... that's not really so great to me.   the flip side is that i would spend nearly any reasonable amount for a reliable PDA function
21:03.18jncthe C3k does not reliably function as a PDA.
21:03.40JustinPpaxl: you can always get a Cx0 as well, those are supposed ot be pretty good. Not sure if you can get them that cheap though. The 5500 is nice but somewhat outdated. Still works fine as long as you put a little effort into it.
21:04.02jncit's kind of neat to have.   at this point, it's an overpriced toy
21:04.08JustinPjnc: the Sharp Rom works fine for PDA stuff...and if you use Kopi it's just fine.
21:04.09jncthat's my take on it
21:04.18jncJustinP: i tried.  i mean, really tried.
21:04.24JustinP::shrug::
21:04.30JustinPI've never really used it as a PDA anyway
21:04.33jncSharpROM could not replace my 6 year old Palm IIIxe
21:04.38JustinPit's just another time-sink for me...:-|
21:04.38paxlmouarf.. what do you mean by put a little effort in 5500
21:04.50JustinPpaxl: mouarf?
21:05.04paxl[ like ehh.. I'm french ]
21:05.10JustinPpaxl: I mean that you should get a decent sized SD card as well (256MB+) and put your root FS on that
21:05.11paxl[ quebecer to be more precise ]
21:05.30paxlis this possible without that much problem ?
21:05.37JustinPpeople seem not to listen to me when I tell them to do that, though....
21:05.52JustinPit's not too hard, no
21:05.57JustinPpretty simple actually
21:06.05JustinPespecially if you know a little about linux
21:06.15paxlbecaus I can affort a 5500 at 130 on ebay..
21:06.30paxland 512 sd card isn't that much high tough
21:06.31jnc5500's i hear are quite well supported
21:06.50paxland do the PDA stuff is good or not all supported ?
21:07.10JustinPOpie has PDA programs
21:07.17JustinPand there's also kopi which is really nice
21:07.18jncyou'll get more entertainment out of a $50 hooker and a $150 digital camera though
21:07.31jnc(for the $200 price range)
21:07.45jncOpie is neat
21:07.54paxljnc: I'm searching for an pda.. not a digital camera :)
21:08.05jnci don't like Qt based stuff for some reason, i just can't stand using it when there's a Gtk-based alternative
21:08.20jncpaxl: pick up an old Palm IIIxe
21:08.24jncflash the os to 4.1
21:08.27jncand be done
21:08.42jncPalm IIIxe's come with OS 3.5 which is crap
21:09.30jncthey're durable as fuck.  i've dropped my IIIxe no less than 12 times
21:09.37jncno cracks, no scrapes
21:10.07paxluhm.. I'll see
21:10.07jnci've also got a tendancy to drop the expensive stuff - my c3k i dropped a couple of times
21:10.10jncit's very well built
21:10.22jnci wouldn't expect it to last more than 2 drops though
21:10.31paxlthe 5500 is giving me some tentation :S
21:10.40jnc:)
21:11.12jncwhen it comes down to function, the old Palm units are damn difficult to surpass
21:12.10paxleuh.. question, pluggin an Z to the net is possible through wifi or not ?
21:12.28JustinPyes
21:13.22paxlWhy am I not richer :(
21:14.38TheMakedUniti dont know about the whole pluggin the z to the net
21:16.13paxlhttp://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=38331&item=5795256945&rd=1 << this is one deal
21:16.17paxl:)
21:16.32jnccahhhhhhhnuck canuk canuk canuk *sings*
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21:53.15jncdooo di do di dooo
22:33.26hounddum de dum dum
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22:37.43JustinPjnc: still around? Want auto-rotation based on your hinge? ;-)
22:38.02JustinPjnc: because I can now make it happen
22:38.26JustinP(heh, of course it's probably not the "right" way to do it but what do I care? it works)
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22:57.48TheMaskedUnitwelcome to #opensores
23:00.20TheMaskedUnithad to get that out of my system
23:09.19jncJustinP: ooooh
23:09.48jncJustinP: *deep nerdy voice* i'm ready for your commands
23:10.07JustinPdeep *and* nerdy? is this possible?
23:10.22JustinPstep one: install lineak form my feed
23:10.26JustinPfrom
23:13.30JustinPhow do I negate a shell "if"?
23:13.33JustinPif slbl | grep -q 0; then
23:17.24JustinPjnc: still around?
23:21.48houndheh
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23:28.28JustinPjnc: anyway, should you return, you can get my lineakd config file and shell scripts at http://oe.reversefold.com/sh
23:28.52JustinPjnc: put the lineakd.conf in ~/.lineak
23:29.01JustinPjnc: then type "lineakd &"
23:29.09JustinPjnc: also, put the shell scripts in ~
23:29.27jncso much, info.   melting.  brain
23:29.38JustinPjnc: THere's also mpd control scripts and such for my CE-RH2 remote. You can remove those form the conf file and references to mpd in the suspend.sh
23:29.55JustinPjnc: stop making fun of me
23:32.25JustinPjnc: if this is all too much or you're stuck let me know. First get lineak installed.
23:39.19paxlAfter a good reflection.. I'll wait like 1 year and get a Zaurus C3000
23:39.31paxlthank you JustinP
23:40.23JustinPpaxl: ok :-/
23:41.40paxlJustinP: http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=38331&item=5795256945&rd=1 << this deal is pretty cool.. but I was trying to find me the utility of an PDA because I always have my portable with me ...
23:42.00paxlI want one.. this is for sure..
23:42.54JustinPthat on'es pretty nice
23:43.07JustinPI used to have a 5500 until I zapped it with a bad power adapter
23:43.09paxlyeah it is pretty price less
23:43.38paxlCan we program On Zaurus ?
23:45.15JustinPyes, it's possible, although you need lots more space for that to install the -dev packages for th eheaders of any packages you need to link against
23:45.30jncJustinP:   if [ ! (condition to be evaluated here) ]; then
23:45.31jnci think
23:45.34JustinPI have gcc and all of the related tools on my zaurus and got emacs compiled :-)
23:45.43jncthat's for bash
23:45.48jnccan't imagine what it might be for ash
23:45.51jncif not similar
23:45.57JustinPjnc: the problem with that is that the if I'm doing doesn't have [ in it...
23:46.06JustinP[ is a symlink to the "test" binary ;-)
23:46.11jncoh
23:46.32JustinPat least sometimes
23:46.59JustinPanyway...I don't know how to get it working with my shell command as it has *no help* and it' simpossible to find docs for "["
23:47.13JustinPjnc: did you get my script working?
23:47.14paxlJustinP: but is that possible on a 5500 with 256 mb of SD ?
23:48.28JustinPpaxl: you can do at least some things, yes
23:48.41JustinPpaxl: space is the largest issue
23:54.57jnci dont know man
23:55.56JustinPjnc: just install the ipk from my feed....
23:56.04jncyeah that seems to be a problem
23:56.10JustinPproblem?
23:59.36jncipkg is freaking out
23:59.39jncdang nabbit
23:59.47jnci'm frustrating myself here
23:59.49JustinP:-|

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