| 00:27.38 | slisk | mscdex: which Z are you using? |
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| 04:20.25 | Archigos | Since CoreDump is busy, anyone have any advice on creating my own "Hentges" type OZ? (If it works out, I'll distro it on my server) |
| 04:32.22 | slisk | why do you specifically want a "Hentges type"? |
| 04:32.33 | slisk | what changes did you intend to make? |
| 04:33.16 | Archigos | actually no real "want" for a hentges type, just I've tried a few different ones and I think I want something Opie based |
| 04:34.27 | Archigos | I grabbed two linux guru's to help with bug fixes... mainly I just want my Z to be better then it is, and share what I do |
| 04:36.08 | Archigos | plus side, I own and operate a small local computer company, one of the linux guys I have is on payroll, so he'll have a lot of downtime to spend on the Z |
| 04:37.28 | slisk | define better than it is. if you just want opie based, why not use the OZ opie image? |
| 04:38.42 | Archigos | "better then it is" = "Smartass remark" :) and I kind of want an OZ Opie that preinstalls a few apps... |
| 04:39.25 | Archigos | I was thinking of doing different packages, like one made more for travelers, one mainly for PIM use, and one focused on boredom/games |
| 04:40.48 | slisk | you'll need the OE build system if you want to build anything. within that there are meta packages that create images. you'll have to look into editing those yourself |
| 04:41.08 | slisk | i imagiens there's just a simple list of packages somewhere |
| 04:41.19 | slisk | s/img.*\b/imagine |
| 04:41.38 | Archigos | you're talking like Bitbake and stuff right? (I'm not that good with Linux anymore, that's why I grabbed some guys) |
| 04:41.42 | slisk | oh wait that's an invalid sed command and the wrong search term.. |
| 04:41.45 | slisk | yeah |
| 04:42.18 | slisk | the archived data on the website doesn't work anymore (gay bitbake isn't backwards compatible with ITSELF) |
| 04:42.32 | Archigos | is there a windows version of bitbake? or should I just set up my linux box again? |
| 04:42.33 | slisk | you'll need to follow the OE's getting started guide |
| 04:42.56 | slisk | well prolly not a windows natvie version, but there's always cygwin |
| 04:43.13 | Archigos | lol, I never looked at the getting started docs, cause I figured that was about flashing, not building |
| 04:44.35 | Archigos | so basically, I need my linux box, bitbake, and... (or is that in the getting started too?) *(sorry for all the dumb questions)* |
| 04:44.35 | slisk | there's a seperate part about building OZ they link to the getting started guide there |
| 04:44.44 | Archigos | sweet |
| 04:44.49 | slisk | i think you can use cygwin for windows |
| 04:44.53 | slisk | np |
| 04:45.18 | Archigos | you always using slisk on here? (I can keep you updated if your interested) |
| 04:46.22 | slisk | yeah i stick with this nick. though i'm currently working on getting debian running natively on Z |
| 04:47.08 | slisk | i got a basic installation work already, it boots from init after a quick module load from the internal flash. i just need to get a GUI going |
| 04:47.17 | Archigos | cool, if you need any help, I can talk to the guys and see if they'll give you a hand |
| 04:49.50 | slisk | thx for the offer, i haven't hit any show stoppers yet though |
| 04:50.02 | Archigos | I'm guessing you'd recommend Debian on my linux box for all this then right? |
| 04:51.25 | slisk | no, i'm using arch actually, though i've been looking to move to debian for a while |
| 04:51.37 | Archigos | interesting |
| 04:51.46 | slisk | i just picked debian for my Z bacause it's the only distro i know of with arm support |
| 04:52.04 | slisk | and it'd be nice to run the same distro on my p and pda |
| 04:52.12 | slisk | er pc and pda |
| 04:52.25 | Archigos | back in the day (when I was "trying" to learn linux) I was using Red Hat and Gentoo |
| 04:53.22 | Archigos | needless to say, I gave up a few years ago and don't remember much |
| 04:54.08 | slisk | my 1st seriousl linux installation was gentoo, it had the best documentation. but compiling from source all the damn time is just a waste of time |
| 04:54.19 | slisk | recompiling all of kde everyimte it updates... |
| 04:54.37 | slisk | i'm one of those ppl who had a 3 day installation |
| 04:54.59 | slisk | then kde and x updated soon there after, and it was another 2 days of compiling |
| 04:55.01 | Archigos | I think I was doing a 7 day when I was still actively trying |
| 04:55.16 | slisk | and i was running a 2GHz machine with 1G ram |
| 04:55.51 | Archigos | granted it was a really crap box to start with |
| 04:56.51 | slisk | compiling from source for an unstable distro is just dumb. if it were a stable distro with small and infreuqent updates it'd make a lot of sense |
| 04:57.17 | slisk | but the update major packages every week, and there aren't any binary patches, just source patches |
| 04:57.37 | slisk | 1 bug in glibc...recompile it all |
| 04:58.29 | Archigos | fun fun |
| 04:59.18 | Archigos | damn, I gotta get some sleep, I have to open the office in 7 hours |
| 04:59.27 | slisk | cya |
| 04:59.41 | Archigos | later, thanks for the advice |
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| 05:32.10 | slisk | gd i love how transparent linux can be |
| 05:32.49 | slisk | i just installed the debian arm package for pcmcia card services on my custom debian installation and it works off the bat |
| 06:00.34 | slisk | regarding the instability in the z5500 sharp mmc/sd driver, is the corruption massive and obvious (so much so that fsck would spot it), or is it more subtle (a few corrupted bytes)? |
| 06:34.04 | JustinP | slisk: stop worrying so much about it. If it happens you're going to notice. |
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| 06:56.39 | AppleBoy | JustinP: is that you? |
| 06:59.27 | JustinP | AppleBoy: yeah... |
| 06:59.38 | JustinP | argh |
| 06:59.41 | AppleBoy | pleaseeee limit that! |
| 06:59.44 | AppleBoy | use rsync! |
| 06:59.45 | JustinP | you killed it? |
| 07:02.38 | AppleBoy | JustinP: add -l 400 please |
| 07:02.44 | AppleBoy | or |
| 07:02.58 | AppleBoy | rsync -a --bwlimit=50 -e ssh |
| 07:03.08 | AppleBoy | you killed my internet connection |
| 07:03.09 | AppleBoy | sorry |
| 07:04.20 | AppleBoy | was in the middle of a game and got disconnected when I was doing really good :( |
| 07:04.33 | JustinP | :-( sorry about that |
| 07:04.41 | JustinP | I'll try.... |
| 07:05.03 | AppleBoy | thanks |
| 07:05.07 | AppleBoy | either one of those will help |
| 07:05.29 | AppleBoy | I'm working on uncapping this new modem so I can get 3Mbps upstream |
| 07:05.38 | AppleBoy | hopefully by the end of this weekend |
| 07:08.38 | AppleBoy | well, the lag is better now, only 1.78, not as bad |
| 07:08.39 | JustinP | am I killing it now...? |
| 07:08.46 | AppleBoy | thank you |
| 07:08.49 | Ycros | woo. anyone gotten a usb mouse working in gpe? |
| 07:09.22 | JustinP | ::sigh:: 10m to download now... |
| 07:09.24 | Ycros | tinyx doesn't seem to support usb mice, but gpm is supposed to be able relay stuff into a device file |
| 07:09.38 | JustinP | tinyx? |
| 07:09.51 | JustinP | GPE should be able to do a mouse, yes |
| 07:10.04 | AppleBoy | w00t, no lag! |
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| 07:10.09 | AppleBoy | thank you JustinP |
| 07:10.21 | JustinP | yeah, np |
| 07:19.08 | AppleBoy | http://www.ambrosiasw.com/~andrew/funny/computer_programmer.gif |
| 07:19.36 | JustinP | AppleBoy: seen the e17 screenshots from our Zs? |
| 07:19.38 | JustinP | ;-) |
| 07:21.43 | AppleBoy | nope |
| 07:21.45 | AppleBoy | http://www.ambrosiasw.com/~andrew/funny/encouragement.jpg |
| 07:24.07 | JustinP | http://handhelds.org/scap |
| 07:25.51 | AppleBoy | damn that's awesome |
| 07:26.40 | JustinP | yes |
| 07:28.29 | JustinP | jnc: whatever happened to your keymap? |
| 07:29.06 | JustinP | jnc: I don't see any out of memory errors on a fresh GPE image |
| 07:30.37 | AppleBoy | danger will robinson: http://www.ambrosiasw.com/~andrew/funny/surfing_danger.jpg |
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| 07:56.46 | jnc | JustinP: i had to pack up my room and move it, so that keymap has been delayed |
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| 08:00.56 | JustinP | jnc: move your room...? |
| 08:01.01 | JustinP | jnc: :-( |
| 08:01.22 | jnc | yeah |
| 08:01.25 | JustinP | well I may check in at least a more usable keymap that I put together...with Alt and such |
| 08:01.33 | jnc | now i have like 9 times the floor space and about half the headroom |
| 08:01.34 | JustinP | perhaps |
| 08:01.38 | jnc | gable top upstairs room |
| 08:01.45 | JustinP | hmmm... |
| 08:01.47 | jnc | coming from a 1st floor 8x12 cell |
| 08:01.51 | jnc | :) |
| 08:01.56 | JustinP | I see |
| 08:02.10 | JustinP | I'm testing the e-image now for the first time (well, building it right now) |
| 08:02.16 | jnc | ah okay |
| 08:02.25 | JustinP | I got the X scripts pulled out of the GPE packages |
| 08:02.25 | jnc | i heard it commented that e-image is holding back work on e17 |
| 08:02.38 | JustinP | (see my *huge* commit just now) |
| 08:02.45 | jnc | so please when it works builds and operates, throw a copy of it somewhere so that e17 can continue FYI |
| 08:02.48 | jnc | :) |
| 08:02.58 | JustinP | I don't know what you're talking about.... |
| 08:03.05 | jnc | me neither |
| 08:03.18 | JustinP | I've been working on individual e apps in OE, getting them working before trying the image |
| 08:03.30 | JustinP | who said this? in what context? |
| 08:03.45 | JustinP | (I may be in the channels all the time, but I don't read everything when I'm away...) |
| 08:04.03 | jnc | 05:48 < XorA> jnc: the Z already makes a good porn viewer :-) |
| 08:04.18 | jnc | 05:48 < XorA> jnc: the Z already makes a good porn viewer :-) |
| 08:04.19 | jnc | err |
| 08:04.20 | jnc | wrong line |
| 08:04.24 | JustinP | yeah.... |
| 08:05.09 | jnc | i don't see who said it |
| 08:05.13 | jnc | maybe it was coredump |
| 08:06.32 | JustinP | hmmm... |
| 08:06.45 | JustinP | I know he's one of the people who was trying to play with an e-image |
| 08:06.47 | JustinP | as was mickeyl |
| 08:06.57 | JustinP | he probably meant e17 in OE |
| 08:07.00 | JustinP | stupid.... |
| 08:07.12 | JustinP | if the apps themselves aren't ready the image sure as hell isn't |
| 08:07.34 | JustinP | not to mention I knew most of the problems a few weeks ago...but no one asked me about them... |
| 08:07.38 | JustinP | argh |
| 08:07.49 | JustinP | perhaps I should start a blog where I write all this down |
| 08:07.59 | JustinP | not that there aren't too many blogs out there anyway... |
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| 12:09.45 | kados | I've got two 5500s and I've tried flashing the 3.5.3 ROM on them and not they don't boot |
| 12:09.53 | kados | now even ;-) |
| 12:11.15 | kados | CoreDump|work: you around? |
| 12:11.44 | kados | CoreDump|work: I tried out your ROM (you dropped me the link last week on #oe) |
| 12:12.00 | kados | CoreDump|work: and my zaurii are still bricks |
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| 12:36.00 | CoreDump|work | kados: Dunno what to tell you. They work fine for everyone else |
| 13:05.20 | kados | CoreDump|work: I'm a dumbass ... I figured it out ... the batteries were too drained to boot :-) after I let them charge for a bit it came up perfect ... nice job with these ROMS |
| 13:19.25 | kados | mutt |
| 13:31.40 | CoreDump|work | ;) |
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| 14:33.34 | _StarScream | hey all |
| 14:33.39 | _StarScream | CoreDump|work: working on saturday? |
| 14:46.17 | CoreDump|work | yep |
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| 14:58.42 | Ycros | err, so anyone using a usb mouse with gpe? |
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| 15:54.28 | pierrelux | I'm trying to install Kismet on SD card: I get the following message from ipkg: $ipkg -d sd install ncurses_5.4-r0_arm.ipk |
| 15:54.30 | pierrelux | ipkg: Cannot create symlink from ./usr/share/terminfo/z/zenith to '../h/h19': Operation not permitted |
| 15:55.02 | pierrelux | Always "Cannot create symlink.." |
| 15:56.36 | pierrelux | I did all that under root privileges |
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| 18:11.54 | KarlsBerg | hi.. |
| 18:12.50 | KarlsBerg | have a problem... my OZ dont accept the changes... in appereance dont save the changes, in any tool, no save the changesm y press OK, and she exe (X) button |
| 18:19.28 | KarlsBerg | ouch :'( |
| 18:57.39 | KarlsBerg | helpme plz |
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| 19:15.06 | KarlsBerg | help ! |
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| 20:11.11 | slisk | is there a program that allows the touchscreen to emulate a mouse? preferably a console program |
| 20:29.35 | XorA|goner | slisk: no-one has written a gpm plugin for libts |
| 20:29.40 | XorA|goner | slisk: but that would be nice |
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| 23:52.56 | Ycros | XorA|goner: what do you know about getting usb mice in general working with gpe? |
