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00:00.03Le_Sot_ZiI have an img
00:00.17Le_Sot_Ziit contains a "clone" of my flash root
00:00.35KallDrexxO.o
00:00.43Le_Sot_Zion boot I have a grub-like (but ran after booting kernel)
00:00.48KallDrexxwonder how much 0.99 GBP is in US$
00:00.58KallDrexxhow easy is it to setup a SD root setup?
00:01.12Le_Sot_Ziand it asks me if I want to exec init scripts on flash or sd img
00:01.26Le_Sot_Zi0,99GBP ~= 1,5$
00:01.47Le_Sot_Zithere shipping from england if you come from states ;)
00:02.04Le_Sot_Ziit very easy
00:02.13Le_Sot_Zithere are tuts on openzaurus.org
00:02.14KallDrexxare all SD cards compatable with the Zaurus?
00:02.18KallDrexxcool
00:02.26Le_Sot_Ziyes, I think so...
00:03.17Le_Sot_ZiI love ebay :p
00:03.59Le_Sot_Zisome people hates it
00:04.12Le_Sot_Zibut I can do very good business ;)
00:04.30KallDrexxyeah some decent prices
00:05.15Le_Sot_ZiI had my Z 5500, with a wifi CF card, 1 64MB SD card, 1 128MB CF card, and the case for 150¤
00:05.24Le_Sot_Zi(about 170$, I think)
00:06.01Le_Sot_Zithe wifi cf card costs 70$
00:06.09Le_Sot_ZiI had the serial bt aircable also !
00:06.20KallDrexxwhats an aircalbe/
00:06.31Le_Sot_Zifor bluetooth peripherals ;)
00:06.43KallDrexxahhh
00:06.46KallDrexxcool :D
00:07.08Le_Sot_Ziand I can see bt GPS units for 25$
00:08.00Le_Sot_Zibut there's no free vectorial cards of France for concurrencing commercial products
00:08.07Le_Sot_Zi:'(
00:08.34KallDrexxsucks :(
00:09.03Le_Sot_Zisucks hard
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00:09.30Le_Sot_Zishould use the nasa raw maps
00:09.42Le_Sot_Ziand you've got a dot on the card
00:09.46Le_Sot_Ziawful :'(
00:11.15Le_Sot_ZiI've created a small projet in order to get all roads in a database
00:11.17KallDrexxdo they still sell Zaurii in France?
00:11.22Le_Sot_Zihttp://gps.freezee.org
00:11.32Le_Sot_ZiKallDrexx, no, I don't think so :(
00:11.42KallDrexxcool
00:12.02Le_Sot_Ziperhaps the c3000 will be sold
00:13.57KallDrexxsweet
00:14.06KallDrexxcan get a 256mb SD for $24.89
00:14.34Le_Sot_ZiI hope for you the price will not increase too much ;)
00:15.33Le_Sot_Zidon't forget ebay is a bidding store ;)
00:16.03Le_Sot_Zi(you understand ?)
00:16.22Le_Sot_Ziyou should raise to get the products
00:16.48Le_Sot_Zithe best price gets you win the card
00:17.17KallDrexxno this is from a buy now auction
00:17.30Le_Sot_Ziok !
00:17.35Le_Sot_Zigreat, so !!!
00:18.18Le_Sot_Zihowto root on sd : http://openzaurus.org/wordpress/howto/root-on-sd/
00:18.19Le_Sot_Zi;)
00:19.00KallDrexxcool thanks
00:19.08Le_Sot_Zi5 minutes after finished the dd command ;)
00:19.23Le_Sot_Zithe dd is the longest operation
00:19.51Le_Sot_Ziyou can run 2 scripts in order to copy the flash
00:20.08Le_Sot_Ziand a last one to install the bootloader
00:20.26Le_Sot_Zia reboot
00:20.35Le_Sot_Ziyou can select the sd boot
00:20.40Le_Sot_Zithat's all
00:20.42Le_Sot_Zi:)
00:20.56KallDrexxsweet
00:21.05KallDrexxthis should make my life so much easier
00:21.19Le_Sot_Ziyes !!!
00:21.36Le_Sot_Ziyou've bought the card ?
00:21.43KallDrexxfilling out the paypal info atm
00:21.50Le_Sot_Zihé hé
00:22.03KallDrexxthere we go :D
00:22.11Le_Sot_Zi:p
00:22.14KallDrexxguess i'll hold off of struggling with my zaurus till I get it
00:22.43Le_Sot_ZiIt solved all issues for me
00:22.54KallDrexxyeah and it will solve all the issues I was having
00:22.59eccerr0rmy zaurus has been nothing but a PITA...
00:23.09KallDrexxmight even reformat my CF back to fat
00:23.11KallDrexxeccerr0r, heh why?
00:28.34Le_Sot_ZiI'm going sleepind
00:28.38Le_Sot_Zisleeping*
00:28.45Le_Sot_Zi2:30 here ;)
00:29.02Le_Sot_Zibye all
00:35.57eccerr0rcrash crash crash.
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00:43.12p00phi, i just installed openzaurus 3.5.3 with opie on my sl5500, and when i try to run console it crashes.. just gives me "Console was terminated due to signal code SIGSEGV" - any ideas?
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07:46.08fourcheezetrying to boot into OZ3.5.3
07:46.16fourcheezeI just get a screen with an eye on the left
07:46.18fourcheezeand a blue line
07:46.21fourcheezeand it just sits there
07:46.25fourcheezeleft it all night
07:46.42fourcheezewhen I came back it was a black screen with a cursor
07:46.47fourcheezeany ideas?
07:46.55fourcheezetried reflashing a couple of times
07:51.09z-akitau mean u try other roms?
07:51.28fourcheezeno, I mean I reflashed with this rom
07:51.32z-akitawhich model of z?
07:51.34fourcheezeit's the OZ3.5.3 opie
07:51.36fourcheeze860
07:51.48fourcheezeI can try a different rom if it helps
07:52.06z-akitamd5 checksum the rom?
07:57.18fourcheezez-akita: ok I'll have a go and if that's OK I'll try another ROM
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08:24.02hrw|workmorning
08:24.17alan|homehi ! it's morning, and my working day is over d(^^)b
08:24.23alan|homeyop hrw|work !
08:25.06hrw|workman.. I get up at 6, visited few doctors on other side of town and get to work on time
08:26.07alan|homepfieew... hrw stands for High-speed Running Worker ?
08:26.40hrw|workno
08:26.51hrw|workmy nick is not acronym
08:27.54alan|homeho, yeah, you come from poland... never use any vowel in your name, huh ?
08:27.56alan|home^^
08:30.14alan|homejust a joke. A bit stupid, but just a joke. By the way, my wife's grandfather came from poland : his name was czwyl... you see : one vowel a name. ^^
08:35.25hrw|workalan|home: Hrw have no meaning in any language known to me
08:36.06hrw|workand its not "Human Rights Watch" at all (they are under http://www.hrw.com/ or www.hrw.org web)
08:36.18alan|homehehe
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10:10.25zingahello,
10:11.41zingadoes someone experiences prblms witl hotplug (I am running 3.5.3 on a poodle) : I can't switsh CF card anymore... and my ASUS WL-110 is never recognized anymore
10:18.46hrw|workpoodle.. most unsupported machine
10:23.23zingahrw|work: looks like it indeed :(. any 3.5.4 I could test. Not that I have time but... ;)
10:24.14hrw|workwe lack developer with poodle
10:24.42hrw|workand I dont know does someone build poodle test image
10:24.48zingahrw|work: but 3.5.3 with gpe worked better, weird...
10:25.08zingahrw|work: ok, I will need to take time and start building then...
10:26.20zingaor buy a C3100 ;)
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13:02.08alan|homei can't remember how you send files through IR with a Z... anyone can tell me the name of the prog to be called in command line ?
13:03.31hrw|workin filemanager hold on file and select 'beam'
13:06.45alan|homeho yeah... pretty easy. thanks hrw|work
13:13.48alan|homehrw|work: this is under opie, right ? i'm under GPE... I use the tool in the toolbar...
13:16.39fourcheezealan|home: how is gpe these days?
13:16.47fourcheezewhat does it have in the way of pim stuff
13:16.51fourcheeze?
13:22.32alan|homefourcheeze: i never use pim on my zaurus, but i'd say that for pim, opie seems to be a bit more user friendly... But you can use a contact manager, a calendar, a skectch book, and a to do list, well, anything you may need.
13:22.53fourcheezewhat do you use gpe for?
13:23.28alan|hometext processing, mplayer... snes9x as soon as it comes back...
13:24.52alan|homelyx as soon as i install it :)
13:26.47fourcheezedoes gpe get the time right ? ;-)
13:28.00hrw|workfourcheeze: time is problem of hardware
13:28.07hrw|workonly collie has hardware clock
13:28.14fourcheezeahh
13:28.22fourcheezethat explains why this c860 is so bad
13:28.34fourcheezethat's terrible not having a hardware clock
13:28.48hrw|worksharp did few more hardware errors
13:29.00hrw|workno hardware control for charging for example
13:32.04fourcheezeis that why it doesn't want to run on power when the battery is full?
13:32.29fourcheezeif I charge it goes from empty to full and then it stops the connection and drains the battery
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14:11.45alan|homehrw|work: wht is this line in /etc/ipkg.conf "list_dir ext /var/lib/ipkg" ?
14:11.56alan|homes/wht/what
14:12.48hrw|workipkg: keep lists in tmpfs not in flash. nevermind that you forget it after reboot but you wont write flash with that thing.
14:13.49alan|homemm... ok.
14:13.51hrw|workalan|home: thats what
14:14.00hrw|workgood thing in other words
14:30.57kollac860 is bad?
14:31.10kollahum.. collie has hardware clock? :)
14:31.15kollait just doesnt seem so? :)
14:35.03hrw|workkolla: rm /etc/timestamp
14:36.08kolladont have that
14:37.16hrw|workok so it should work on collie
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14:37.57dracflamloc_hello
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14:52.33dracflamloc_i'm thinkin of grabbing a zaurus 5500 off ebay. i don't like ebay though, does anyone know any retailers that still sell them?
14:52.48hrw|work5500? grab newer one
14:52.52dracflamloc_also, does sharp still make replacement batteries for zaurus?
14:53.10dracflamloc_well. all i found on ebay were 5500's
14:53.51hrw|workc760 was on ebay iirc
14:54.16hrw|worktoday I will grab cxxxx or tosa (6000)
14:54.24hrw|works/will/would
15:03.21dracflamloc_hm
15:04.17hrw|work5500 is popular but has very limited flash space and it looks like there wont be 2.6 kernel for it in near future
15:04.40hrw|workc7x0 got 2.6 kernel support which works nice - much nicer then 2.4-sharpcrap
15:05.08hrw|workcxxxx and 6000 have semi-working 2.6 support and work is progressing
15:14.05dracflamloc_i see a couple 5600's on ebay, but no c7x0
15:14.15eccerr0rsigh.  this poodle sux. arggh.
15:14.25dracflamloc_poodle?
15:14.37eccerr0r5600
15:15.17eccerr0rI wouldnt care too much about rebooting it so often if it didn't lose time
15:17.22eccerr0rand now it's not associating with my AP
15:18.23hrw|workeccerr0r: with wep or without?
15:18.55eccerr0rwith wep...
15:19.03eccerr0rit was working fine yesterday.
15:20.11dracflamloc_there arent any retailers that sell zaurus?
15:20.16eccerr0rnot picking up any AP's anymore...hmm
15:21.16hrw|workdracflamloc_: US or europe?
15:21.26dracflamloc_US
15:21.36hrw|workthere is one
15:21.43dracflamloc_most euro sites will ship to usa
15:22.36dracflamloc_what site?
15:23.13hrw|workcant recall name
15:23.19dracflamloc_doh
15:23.29hrw|workI'm in europe :)
15:23.37hrw|workstreamlinecpus or sth like that
15:23.50hrw|workhttp://www.streamlinecpus.com/
15:24.29eccerr0rhmm. removing the wep key helps find.. argh.
15:27.07dracflamloc_yikes, thats come expensive stuff
15:27.16dracflamloc_some
15:32.38hrw|workcu
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15:53.52eccerr0ris anyone happy with OZ on a poodle here? yeeks!
15:57.27alan|homehow do you add a feed stored on the cf card in ipkg.conf ?
15:58.14XorAalan|home: file:///media/cf/feed
15:58.54dracflamloc_whats the difference between 5500 and 5600>
15:59.52eccerr0r5600 has 400MHz CPU, half the RAM and 4x the flash storage, has an internal microphone.
16:00.13eccerr0ralso has no onboard RTC (GRR!)
16:00.14alan|homeXorA: haaa. triple slash... that is it... thanks.
16:01.38XorAeccerr0r: and you missed, very little OZ support
16:02.50eccerr0ryes that too. seems most people gave up on it...
16:03.15eccerr0rthen again 5500 is not that far off either.
16:03.55dracflamloc_hm
16:03.56eccerr0rI can't believe the APM bug slipped both the collie and poodle releases - same bug plagued both, but more 5500 users so collie got fixed first?
16:03.56XorAeccerr0r: we never had any to give up on
16:05.16eccerr0rargh. forgot to set root password
16:05.31eccerr0rnow qt-packagemanager froze
16:08.08eccerr0rmight have to go back to sharprom...
16:08.37eccerr0rI just don't get why OZ kernel is so unreliable compared to the sharprom kernel?
16:10.56radugaeccerr0r: do you get that OZ is an experimental project?
16:11.24eccerr0ryes. but isn't the OZ kernel based off of the sharprom kernel (actually, identical?)
16:11.35eccerr0r(since they're from the same source!)
16:11.40raduganot identical for sure.
16:11.56radugaalso depends on which kernel you're using. if 2.6,  not sharp kernel at all!
16:12.00eccerr0r2.4!
16:12.10raduga2.4.20 or 2.4.18?
16:12.12eccerr0r18!
16:12.28radugawell, they have experimental patches added, that correct for Sharp bugs
16:12.33radugaand add new, different bugs.
16:12.39XorAeccerr0r: a lot of the bugs in the kernel are in bits of code the sharp rom just doesnt use
16:12.54XorAeccerr0r: like the APM bug, that was hidden by userspace
16:13.07radugabut the OZ kernels are actively being developed, Sharp kernels are not.
16:13.18radugaalthough, there's not much news in 2.4 these days
16:13.49XorAraduga: we hope the 2.4 kernels die a horrible death :-)
16:13.58radugathat's not very nice.
16:14.13dracflamloc_well
16:14.17radugawhy not hope them a nice, peaceful and benevolent retirement, after all they've done for us?
16:14.17dracflamloc_does 2.6 work on 5500?
16:14.27radugadrac: to some extent.
16:14.57XorAraduga: you obviosuly never worked with a Sharp 2.4 kernel :-)
16:15.33radugaxora: I've written patches even :P
16:15.57radugaxora: though, honestly its pretty scary
16:16.17radugaxora: still, I never really wish the death of old code, unless its PASCAL
16:16.37radugaand FORTRAN-77 i would just be happy never to have to see again.
16:17.02radugahrm.
16:17.07radugaanyone here used squashfs?
16:17.15radugaits got some endianness options :/
16:17.29radugai assume I should target for little-endian
16:17.49radugawith 4k padding? without?
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17:17.39dracflamloc_how big is a 5500?
17:35.20eccerr0rsame as a 5600? heh
18:01.40JustinPit's about the length of a large cargo pocker
18:01.44JustinPpocket
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18:02.24JustinPif you mean flash size: SMALL
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18:17.02dracflamloc_hm
18:17.08dracflamloc_i meant pocket size
18:17.24dracflamloc_much bigger than a 3x5 index card?
18:18.04JustinPyes
18:18.13JustinPwow, my first answer was the one you wanted? amazing!
18:19.27dracflamloc_lol
18:19.45dracflamloc_well i'm not gonna carry this thing all around the factory doing IT stuff if its too big for my pocket
18:20.14dracflamloc_do you think i'd be better off getting a used ipaq off ebay and putting linux on it?
18:21.04JustinPnot if you want to do anyting useful on it
18:21.23JustinPI liked my 5500 just fine
18:21.31dracflamloc_yea thats what made it attract me
18:21.34JustinPI carried it in a cargo pocket in my shorts/pants
18:21.42dracflamloc_but they are 150 bucks on ebay
18:22.36JustinPyou *could* carry it in a shirt-pocket but it's going to stick out
18:22.36dracflamloc_bit pricy for a discontinued product
18:22.36JustinPno
18:22.36JustinPthat's not pricey
18:22.36JustinPpricey is the C3000
18:22.36JustinPwhich I have now
18:22.36JustinPI paid >$400 for my 5500 a few years ago
18:22.36dracflamloc_heh, yea well thats downright unaffordable for me
18:22.36JustinP$150 is a great price IMHO
18:23.13dracflamloc_only thing turning me off of the 5500 becsides the price is someone said that its rom is too small for 2.6 kernel or something
18:26.19JustinPyou have 2 things combined there
18:26.37JustinPthe internal flash is very small and hard to use for anything useful
18:26.48JustinPhowever you can put root on an SD card and have all the space you want
18:27.11JustinP2.6 kernel will likely never be fully functioning on the 5500 due to the closed SD chip / driver
18:28.37radugahrm...
18:28.52radugai just grabbed the latest bitbake and OE dev system
18:28.58radugalooking for to bake a nice kernel
18:29.16radugabut I can't find *any* bloody 2.4 era kernels in the stew at all.
18:29.26dracflamloc_JustinP, but people said 2.4 isnt being worked on anymore, so where does that leave the 5500?
18:29.44radugadoes OE no longer support the 5500?
18:30.19radugaelsewise,
18:30.33radugawhat's the proper way to use OE to build a kernel?
18:30.40radugamaybe I'm doing something wrong
18:31.06JustinPraduga: you are, the 2.4 kernels are there. What are you looking for?
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18:31.24radugajustin: a kernel for an akita
18:31.24JustinPdracflamloc_: people are still using the 5500. It is *STILL SUPPORTED*. I don't know why people think it's not.
18:31.37radugawhich package should I use?
18:31.49JustinPraduga: and what are you looking for? Set up your machine/distro in your local.conf and go for it
18:32.17radugajustin: fine, and done.
18:32.19JustinPdracflamloc_: the 2.4 kernels are horrible, but work is still being done on them for the devices which need it (such as 5500)
18:32.27dracflamloc_op
18:32.29dracflamloc_oh
18:32.34radugajustin: what bitbake command would I issue to build one?
18:32.41JustinPdracflamloc_: the 5500 kernel has been heavily patched, actually, and works pretty well
18:33.01radugaor where would I go to figure that out :)
18:33.03JustinPraduga: you want openzaurus-pxa27x
18:33.11radugathanks :)
18:33.22JustinPraduga: that would be in conf/machine/akita.conf (I believe)
18:33.32radugajustin: sorry. I'm *very* new to OE, just a little confused.
18:33.47raduga(sorry if I seem brain damaged at times)
18:33.53JustinPit's fine
18:37.49radugawhen bitbake starts up, it spends a few minutes 'handling bitbake files' even when just reading them from cache.
18:38.13radugais there a way to avoid having to rebuild the .bb list every time I invoke bitbake?
18:38.37radugaor is that the way its supposed to work?
18:41.29JustinPraduga: bitbake -i
18:42.29radugajustinP: still doing "handling bitbake files:"
18:42.45radugaparsing through them, or something. hrmf
18:42.47JustinPraduga: with bitbake -i you get an interactive shell for building
18:43.01JustinPraduga: as long as you don't exit the shell you don't have to reparse ;-)
18:43.07radugaoh, ok.
18:43.37radugaso the irritating parsing bit *is* part of the design, and not something unclever I'm doing ;)
18:44.14radugathat's fine, then
18:45.20JustinPwell, the initial parse is very slow
18:45.27JustinPlater parses are faster as it uses a cache
18:46.19raduga> when bitbake starts up, it spends a few minutes 'handling bitbake files' even when just reading them from cache.
18:46.50radugaoriginal parse took ~ 5 minutes,  parsing from cache ~ 1.8
18:47.48radugaI've been spoiled by "echo jkakdfkjafkadjkkadfajf > file.c ; gcc file.c ; ./a.out"
19:04.40dracflamloc_http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=SL5500-R&sourceid=qIZwQynFqk0HAk7cMOLr&cm_ven=CJ&cm_pla=0038722608&cm_ite=SL5500-R
19:04.41dracflamloc_damn
19:04.45dracflamloc_good deal but out of stock
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22:57.12radugahmmm
22:57.21radugabitbake doesn't seem to have a package for gcc2.95
22:57.35radugais it "deprecated" :P
22:57.45radugaer. package or task
22:58.08radugas/bitbake/oe/
23:01.56radugaoh.
23:02.18radugait appears that gcc 2.95 needs to be installed *separate* from the OE environment
23:04.08radugais there an etiquette with regards to edits to the help pages in the wiki?
23:04.21radugamaybe this isn't the right place to ask.
23:04.25radugathanks, all :)
23:09.30eccerr0rapparently so.  for kernel and modules it uses 2.95 bins, and everything else, 3.4.4 ?!
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23:56.28ArchigosI'm using OZ3.5.3/Opie1.2 and having issues with upgrading some ipks (with AQPKG) they download fine but then it just sits there... any ideas?
23:56.56JustinPArchigos: df?
23:57.11Archigoshuh?
23:57.23Archigos(not that good with Linux) :)
23:57.25ljpraduga: gcc2 in oe is only used for zaurus kernels 2.4.x
23:57.47JustinPArchigos: disk space
23:58.11radugaljp: yes, I know.
23:58.11Archigosah, about 500K free (running root on SD from Hentges)
23:58.13JustinPljp: there is no gcc2 in OE
23:59.59radugathanks, JustinP

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