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| 03:45.02 | nickers | i am this close to buying a c3000 |
| 03:45.11 | nickers | my question if you dont mind is how is as a PDA? |
| 03:45.18 | nickers | i want to put pdaxrom on it |
| 03:45.28 | nickers | can it still make noises from sleep and such when there is a meeting? |
| 03:51.44 | nickers | empty and quiet |
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| 05:09.22 | obscurite | Hi |
| 05:09.44 | obscurite | anyone running a c3100? |
| 05:09.52 | obscurite | (or c3k) |
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| 05:23.27 | wpiku | evening folks |
| 06:08.49 | Biblio_peb__ | good morning for some of us :-) |
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| 07:48.09 | alan|home | hello world ! |
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| 07:56.20 | hrw|work | someone know which stylus fit in c7x0? |
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| 08:30.44 | me_rallo | hi ppl! ;) |
| 08:31.16 | me_rallo | does any of you use kopi? :m |
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| 08:32.52 | me_rallo | and does any has a 6000 with oz? ;) |
| 08:33.13 | hrw|work | I used kopie |
| 08:33.15 | hrw|work | kopie |
| 08:33.16 | hrw|work | kopi |
| 08:33.19 | hrw|work | argh... |
| 08:33.19 | me_rallo | hehe |
| 08:33.21 | me_rallo | yep |
| 08:33.38 | me_rallo | i wanted to ask for a ompi package... |
| 08:33.45 | me_rallo | it seems not to be in the feed |
| 08:33.45 | me_rallo | :m |
| 08:33.54 | hrw|work | it wont be as long as I maintain kdepimpi |
| 08:34.08 | me_rallo | or just to know how to configure kopi kapi with opie-mail |
| 08:34.33 | me_rallo | hehehe |
| 08:34.49 | hrw|work | export kapi to 'qtopia xml' so you will get it in opie addressbook then use opie-mail |
| 08:35.29 | me_rallo | hum... |
| 08:35.30 | me_rallo | ok |
| 08:35.31 | hrw|work | kdepim/pi authors does not cooperate with any upstream on which they base so no opie-mail/braindead-pi version |
| 08:35.31 | me_rallo | :) |
| 08:35.45 | me_rallo | aham |
| 08:36.06 | hrw|work | ~emulate zautrix |
| 08:36.08 | ibot | this is exactly what the GPL is about. grab the stuff and run away |
| 08:36.35 | me_rallo | and what about kopi? I've seen some options for "external mail app" in configure menus, but i dont understand things like "channel" and so on... |
| 08:37.45 | hrw|work | ask their authors |
| 08:37.52 | me_rallo | hehe |
| 08:37.54 | me_rallo | ok :) |
| 08:37.56 | me_rallo | thx |
| 08:38.16 | me_rallo | btw, another question... |
| 08:38.37 | me_rallo | I have most of packages installed on cf |
| 08:39.16 | me_rallo | and i have to relink them to / quite often |
| 08:39.35 | hrw|work | ipkg-link mount /media/cf/packages/ |
| 08:39.45 | me_rallo | do you know if I'm doing something wrong or is it usual? |
| 08:39.51 | hrw|work | I have 64M / (c760) so no problem |
| 08:39.57 | hrw|work | what Z? |
| 08:40.04 | me_rallo | yep, i know the command, but it's slow as i have many packages |
| 08:40.12 | me_rallo | SL6000L and OZ3.5.3 |
| 08:40.37 | hrw|work | on collie I simply moved /opt/ to sd |
| 08:41.15 | me_rallo | aham |
| 08:41.22 | me_rallo | could be a solution |
| 08:41.47 | me_rallo | the extrange thing is that it seems i just loose symlinks to lib/* |
| 08:42.06 | me_rallo | I do |
| 08:42.08 | me_rallo | ln -s /media/cf/packages/usr/lib/* /usr/lib/ |
| 08:42.08 | me_rallo | and |
| 08:42.22 | me_rallo | ln -s /media/cf/packages/opt/QtPalmtop/lib/* /opt/QtPalmtop/lib/ |
| 08:42.33 | me_rallo | and everything seems to work again ;) |
| 08:42.34 | me_rallo | :m |
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| 08:44.01 | hrw|work | hacks.. |
| 08:45.18 | me_rallo | and the last thing (i hope O:)) is about special keys... do you know a way to get them working? |
| 08:45.43 | me_rallo | there is even a configuration section for them |
| 08:45.54 | me_rallo | i suppose it's maybe a keymap problem? :m |
| 08:46.20 | hrw|work | which keys? |
| 08:46.29 | hrw|work | I never had tosa in hands |
| 08:47.38 | me_rallo | oh, they are the same in collie: home key, mail key... |
| 08:48.07 | hrw|work | whats wrong with them? |
| 08:48.30 | z-akita | the opie-mail doesn't have the threaded email function.. |
| 08:48.42 | me_rallo | they don't work for me |
| 08:48.49 | me_rallo | maybe it's a tosa issue |
| 08:48.50 | me_rallo | :m |
| 08:48.53 | hrw|work | maybe |
| 08:49.04 | me_rallo | anyone with a 6000? |
| 08:49.05 | me_rallo | ;) |
| 08:49.06 | me_rallo | hehe |
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| 09:42.28 | me_rallo | must leave |
| 09:42.31 | me_rallo | bye! |
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| 11:43.29 | Bro | Hi all. I have problem updating. |
| 11:44.40 | hrw|work | exact? |
| 11:45.13 | Bro | Yaeh. I get # ipkg update |
| 11:45.13 | Bro | Downloading http://openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.3/upgrades/collie/Packages.gz |
| 11:45.13 | Bro | file_move: ERROR: failed to rename /tmp/ipkg-v4AzeW/Packages.gz to /tmp/ipkg.mTmhEO/upgrades/collie.gz: No such file or directory |
| 11:45.13 | Bro | An error ocurred, return value: 1. |
| 11:45.13 | Bro | Collected errors: |
| 11:45.39 | hrw|work | heh.. again user... |
| 11:45.53 | hrw|work | why you added 'src upgrades/collie feed'? |
| 11:46.05 | Bro | I added: |
| 11:46.26 | Bro | src/gz upgrades/collie http://openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.3/upgrades/collie |
| 11:46.39 | hrw|work | change upgrades/collie to upgrades_collie |
| 11:47.00 | Bro | Thanks. Let me try. |
| 11:50.44 | hrw|work | btw - thats in comments to 'howto upgrade' post |
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| 11:55.47 | Bro | Thanks. It seems to be working now. |
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| 12:03.21 | alan|home | i hate when my router reboots... |
| 12:58.50 | lardman|work | Someone want to sell OZ to a would be user?: http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=15090&hl= |
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| 13:17.27 | hrw|work | atleast he choosed zaurus with good stylus.... |
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| 13:56.15 | lardman|work | hrw|work: :D true |
| 13:56.27 | hrw|work | what is a true? |
| 13:56.57 | lardman|work | Your comment about choosing a Zaurus with a good stylus |
| 13:57.07 | lardman|work | sorry, I only just got round to reading IRC |
| 13:57.41 | hrw|work | collie stylus was my favorite |
| 13:57.47 | hrw|work | but broke yesterday ;( |
| 14:03.47 | lardman|work | Shame - you can get new ones though I think can't you? |
| 14:04.50 | hrw|work | I can - even zaurus ones |
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| 15:57.27 | z-akita | hi... |
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| 18:56.49 | rabies | how do i turn off symbol lock |
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| 18:59.17 | rabies | !4% |
| 18:59.18 | cdbot | rabies: Don't know, don't care |
| 19:00.29 | rabies | ahh |
| 19:02.03 | rabies | bah, this sucks |
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| 20:03.48 | slpyhd | Linux collie 2.4.18-rmk7-pxa3-embedix #1 Thu, 30 Jun 2005 10:35:36 +0200 armv4l unknown |
| 20:03.53 | slpyhd | is that R21? |
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| 21:06.22 | mimecar | hi |
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| 21:20.49 | slpyhd | a walking billboard, how cute |
| 21:20.56 | Apple|Server | ?? |
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| 21:54.19 | me_rallo | hi :) |
| 21:54.35 | me_rallo | does any of you have a 6000? |
| 21:54.36 | me_rallo | :) |
| 21:56.33 | dracflamloc | i wish =P |
| 21:57.59 | me_rallo | hehe |
| 21:58.04 | me_rallo | not enough :p |
| 21:58.33 | me_rallo | i wish to know how to make run special keys on oz |
| 21:58.35 | me_rallo | :m |
| 22:33.52 | JustinP | me_rallo: special keys? keymap |
| 22:33.56 | JustinP | me_rallo: loadkeys / showkeys |
| 22:34.05 | me_rallo | what? |
| 22:34.15 | JustinP | edit the keymap |
| 22:34.18 | me_rallo | i mean home, mail... keys |
| 22:35.14 | me_rallo | how i do that? :m |
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| 22:48.01 | Gin-geR | So is this place completely dead yet? |
| 23:00.24 | me_rallo | ok, JustinP i've installed console-tools and i've get the buttons scancodes... |
| 23:00.32 | me_rallo | how do I map them now? |
| 23:00.34 | me_rallo | :m |
| 23:01.37 | Gin-geR | So, the place is not absolutely dead? :) |
| 23:01.55 | me_rallo | hahaha |
| 23:02.05 | me_rallo | not yet :P |
| 23:02.14 | Gin-geR | so, you're the happy owner of the device? :) |
| 23:02.43 | me_rallo | i have a 6000L, yep :D |
| 23:03.24 | Gin-geR | I'm still thinking of getting one... 3000 to be precise, but I think you may have some answers to my questions... |
| 23:03.42 | me_rallo | hehe |
| 23:03.47 | me_rallo | just try |
| 23:04.07 | Gin-geR | The most important one is - I am not really familiar with architecture... Is it possible to screwup things with software that badly that you can't recover without a little help from sharp? |
| 23:04.17 | Gin-geR | like flashing it to death. |
| 23:04.52 | me_rallo | do you mean brick it? |
| 23:05.00 | Gin-geR | "with software" :) |
| 23:05.15 | Gin-geR | not with another brick : |
| 23:05.16 | Gin-geR | :) |
| 23:05.22 | me_rallo | hehe |
| 23:05.46 | Gin-geR | I mean... if you screw up flash, you still can reflash it? |
| 23:06.04 | Gin-geR | from cf or whatever... |
| 23:06.16 | me_rallo | yep, you can made an error flashing it (i think i made), but since 6000 (i think) sharp included a great "bios" utility: nand backup / restore |
| 23:06.38 | me_rallo | you can restore it exactly from start |
| 23:06.52 | Gin-geR | so, do I get it right that besides flash it also has some really-readonly memory? |
| 23:06.59 | me_rallo | just make a nand backup before doing anything |
| 23:07.11 | me_rallo | and you could get it back to factory defaults :) |
| 23:07.17 | Gin-geR | I sure would back the factory stuff up if I get the device :) |
| 23:07.19 | JustinP | Gin-geR: yes, the later models (5600 and up I think) have a system mode which is not flash related |
| 23:07.31 | Gin-geR | JustinP: and 3000? |
| 23:07.57 | JustinP | me_rallo: you mean launch an application when you press those keys? sorry, that's not the keymap. Are you in opie or GPE? |
| 23:08.03 | JustinP | Gin-geR: 3000 > 5600 ;-) |
| 23:08.04 | me_rallo | yep |
| 23:08.07 | me_rallo | opie JustinP |
| 23:08.13 | Gin-geR | JustinP: I see :) nice arithmetics :) |
| 23:08.42 | JustinP | me_rallo: there should be a utility in the Settings tab... |
| 23:08.47 | me_rallo | there is a configurator for the buttons, but doesnt seem to work (at least for me) |
| 23:08.56 | me_rallo | that is ;) |
| 23:08.57 | JustinP | Gin-geR: heh. Well 3000 is newer than the 5600. THey're also different lines. SL-5600 vs. C3000. |
| 23:09.09 | Gin-geR | I am relieved now :) Is the development still alive? I'm trying to explore the web and most of the pages seem dead, are they? |
| 23:09.17 | JustinP | me_rallo: ah. Well, that's an issue with Opie then. Are you using the 3.5.3 release? |
| 23:09.23 | me_rallo | yes |
| 23:09.25 | Gin-geR | JustinP: I got it, no worries. That was a smartass comment :) |
| 23:09.26 | JustinP | Gin-geR: no, far from dead. |
| 23:09.31 | Gin-geR | Great. |
| 23:09.39 | JustinP | Gin-geR: I have a C3000 ;-) |
| 23:09.50 | JustinP | Gin-geR: hang out in #oe to see what's going on |
| 23:09.51 | Gin-geR | JustinP: how important is the size of flash? |
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| 23:10.00 | JustinP | Gin-geR: or get on the oe@handhelds.org mailing list ;-) |
| 23:10.00 | me_rallo | Gin-geR: sharp has been dicontinued US models |
| 23:10.05 | Gin-geR | JustinP: I will, once I get the device ;) |
| 23:10.09 | JustinP | Gin-geR: for the C3000? Flash is not important at all. |
| 23:10.24 | Gin-geR | JustinP: that's what I thought. So I don't have to get a 3100 :) |
| 23:10.28 | JustinP | Gin-geR: although getting a 3100 over a 3000 would get you more memory |
| 23:10.46 | JustinP | as in RAM, space to run things |
| 23:10.49 | me_rallo | nice devices, my friend got one, wooow :D |
| 23:11.02 | Gin-geR | I thought the flash size is the only difference? Or is it because of the flash size? |
| 23:11.02 | JustinP | not that you *need* it necessarily. You can always use swap too. |
| 23:11.09 | JustinP | yes, it's because of the flash |
| 23:11.13 | Gin-geR | I see. |
| 23:11.19 | JustinP | it's used for both storage and memory I believe |
| 23:11.24 | Gin-geR | So, the stuff from flash is kinda mapped to memory? |
| 23:11.27 | Gin-geR | Ah. |
| 23:11.46 | Gin-geR | Okay, I see. |
| 23:11.54 | me_rallo | JustinP: so these buttons doesnt work on oz 3.5.3? :'( |
| 23:12.22 | Gin-geR | Basically, how the things work? Flash is used as a root fs or what? |
| 23:12.46 | Gin-geR | I'm totally unfamiliar with the architecture of these devices... I only have palm now... |
| 23:13.22 | Gin-geR | (not that I've ever digged into palmos, I mostly develop on my linux desktop:)) |
| 23:14.42 | JustinP | me_rallo: likely on the 6000, yes, they're broken. They may be working now in the latest development versions. They should work in 3.5.4. The 6000 is a fairly new device and few developers have them to development takes a while for those. |
| 23:15.08 | me_rallo | ok, thx :D |
| 23:15.10 | me_rallo | btw, do you use kopi? |
| 23:15.35 | JustinP | Gin-geR: it's complicated :-|. Sharp runs root off of flash, yes. But the main root is in /dev/hda1 (which is symlinked) and the installation partition is /dev/hda2. Then /dev/hda3 is the "media" partition. |
| 23:16.09 | JustinP | Gin-geR: OZ, by default, runs directly off of /dev/hda1 using pivot_root |
| 23:16.12 | Gin-geR | I see. I can repartition this nonsense, though, right? :) |
| 23:16.21 | JustinP | Gin-geR: although I run off of /dev/hda6 so that I don't kill my /dev/hda1 |
| 23:16.34 | JustinP | Gin-geR: yes, although if you do it with the Sharp ROM you may run into problems |
| 23:16.47 | Gin-geR | I'm not likely to stick with sharp rom :) |
| 23:16.48 | JustinP | me_rallo: I used to but I mostly run GPE now |
| 23:16.52 | JustinP | heh |
| 23:17.01 | me_rallo | hehe |
| 23:17.29 | Gin-geR | So, OZ kinda has initrd or something on the flash and the rest on the disk, right? |
| 23:17.37 | me_rallo | do you know how to set it up to interact with opie-mail? I've been looking for an ompi package but seems not to be |
| 23:18.01 | me_rallo | there is sth about external mail app settings that cannot understand O:) |
| 23:18.25 | Gin-geR | shouldn't give much more ram if you use 3100 then... |
| 23:20.02 | JustinP | me_rallo: sorry, I don't know |
| 23:20.09 | me_rallo | ok |
| 23:20.10 | me_rallo | :) |
| 23:20.24 | Gin-geR | Damn, I think I want the device :) |
| 23:20.57 | JustinP | Gin-geR: yes, the initrd for the Cxx00 is just a pivot_root image. Although the RAM is not affected. YOu still have mor eof that with the 3100. And it would be *possible* to run root off of the flash on the 3100. It's not possible at all on the 3000. |
| 23:21.02 | JustinP | it's very nice ^_^ |
| 23:21.40 | Gin-geR | not possible, because it's too small? OZ is qtopia-based, right? |
| 23:21.53 | JustinP | yes and yes |
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| 23:22.11 | JustinP | the flash "root" is not large enough to get Opie or GPE on it. Only a small bootstrap image |
| 23:22.16 | Gin-geR | aha... And how does it compare with x-based alternatives? |
| 23:22.33 | JustinP | GPE is very nice (that's what I use) |
| 23:22.42 | JustinP | well...I got e17 working on it and have been using that |
| 23:22.50 | JustinP | until it broke and I can't fix it any more |
| 23:23.10 | Gin-geR | I see. |
| 23:23.12 | Gin-geR | Thanks. |
| 23:23.45 | Gin-geR | I'm thinking of more questions but I'm afraid I got to the point where I need to do some research before bothering you :) |
| 23:24.11 | Gin-geR | Ah, this USB slave thing - it's done programmatically, right? |
| 23:30.41 | JustinP | Gin-geR: making the device act as a slave? it's hardware supported but yes, you switch kernel modules |
| 23:31.10 | Gin-geR | I mean, if I connect it to desktop, it shows up as a usb-storage, right? |
| 23:32.39 | me_rallo | oh |
| 23:32.47 | me_rallo | e17 on zaurus |
| 23:32.47 | me_rallo | :D |
| 23:32.54 | me_rallo | do you have some screenshot? |
| 23:32.55 | me_rallo | :D |
| 23:33.39 | Gin-geR | http://www.openbsd.com/images/zaurus-c3000.jpg -- what browser is this? :) |
| 23:35.29 | JustinP | Gin-geR: well, first off, that's OpenBSD, not Linux |
| 23:35.42 | JustinP | Gin-geR: yes, it will. Or it can show up as a network device. |
| 23:35.48 | JustinP | me_rallo: there are some somewhere... |
| 23:36.22 | JustinP | me_rallo: only one on here, but good enough: http://openzaurus.org/wordpress/newsletters/ooo-newsletter-200508/ |
| 23:36.30 | Gin-geR | JustinP: I know. But at this point I consider all alternatives. OpenBSD is not so alien to me :) Just wondering what is the browser :) |
| 23:36.58 | me_rallo | wooooooow |
| 23:36.59 | me_rallo | :d |
| 23:37.00 | me_rallo | :D |
| 23:37.05 | JustinP | konq perhaps? |
| 23:37.14 | Gin-geR | JustinP: And whether it shows up as a drive or network device depends on the software? For what I've heard it can also present itself as a HID? |
| 23:37.24 | JustinP | me_rallo: I'd show you more but as I said it stopped working on me all of a sudden.... |
| 23:37.54 | me_rallo | oh |
| 23:37.56 | me_rallo | sorry |
| 23:37.57 | me_rallo | jeje |
| 23:37.58 | me_rallo | hehe |
| 23:37.58 | JustinP | Gin-geR: it can be usb storage or a network device. I'm not sure the storage part works in OZ currently but if it doesn't it will. I have heard nothing of HID support. |
| 23:38.01 | me_rallo | :( |
| 23:38.24 | JustinP | Gin-geR: and yes, this is chosen in "software" by loading different kernel modules. The Sharp ROM has a little app for this. |
| 23:38.34 | Gin-geR | I've read it somewhere on the net, just thinking about the possibilities.. |
| 23:38.44 | Gin-geR | I see. So it does it in kernelspace. |
| 23:39.10 | JustinP | yeah |
| 23:39.16 | JustinP | BSD may do it... |
| 23:39.43 | JustinP | and it *may* be possible to make it send its keypresses along as a keyboard but I've never heard of anythign like that |
| 23:40.14 | Gin-geR | I'm falling in love with this device over the Net. I hope it will not turn out to be the case of long distance relationships :) |
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| 23:40.21 | JustinP | hehe |
| 23:40.56 | Gin-geR | I think I don't need it to pretend being a keyboard. I don't think keyboard is the strongest part of the device, comparing to desktop :) |
| 23:41.09 | JustinP | hehe |
| 23:41.18 | JustinP | you can, of course, plug a keyboard *into* it |
| 23:41.48 | Gin-geR | I don't think I need this one either. It's hard, but I should resist the temptation to turn PDA into desktop computer :) |
| 23:43.46 | Gin-geR | Why do they say that plural is zaurii? For what I know about latin it should be zauria... |
| 23:45.00 | Gin-geR | not that I'm going to get more than one, anyway :) |
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| 23:49.06 | Gin-geR | Well, thanks again, JustinP. I'll go think it over in my sleep :) |
| 23:51.16 | Gin-geR | the worst part is chosing between 3000 and 3100... The price differs much, have to think about performance gain... |
| 23:54.21 | Gin-geR | JustinP: let me put the question differently. You won 3000, right? Do you think it's enough? |
| 23:56.20 | JustinP | Gin-geR: won? I own one, yes. I bought it early this year. I would have gotten the 3100 if it had been out, but money was no object at that particular time for me. |
| 23:57.19 | Gin-geR | own, that was, of course :)) But are you satisfied with 3000? I'm damn short of money, but love is love, y'know :) |
| 23:57.28 | JustinP | Gin-geR: but the 3000 is probably just fine. You're not likely to be running too much on it. |
| 23:57.55 | JustinP | Gin-geR: you *may* get a boost out of the 3100 for, say, video playing, but I don't think it would be too large |
| 23:58.25 | Gin-geR | Well, yes, after all it's PDA... I'm mostly using my palm for reading and checking email (well and addressbook, but that doesn't matter much). |
| 23:58.55 | Gin-geR | Well... video is either playing or not. I don't want to play video faster than it's supposed to be played :) |
| 23:59.20 | Gin-geR | But I don't think I'm going to play it at all. To be true, I think I'll use it for browsing and running all the stuff in ssh :) |
