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| 02:34.07 | jjbenham | How do I get a kernel that actually compiles for OZ in OE? |
| 02:51.42 | JustinP | the kernels compile perfectly |
| 02:51.54 | JustinP | are you compiling a 2.4 kernel? |
| 02:51.59 | JustinP | did you install the 2.95 toolchain? |
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| 02:54.40 | jjbenham | yes the 2.95 toolchain is installed |
| 02:55.25 | jjbenham | I also have ASSUME_PROVIDED = "virtual/arm-linux-gcc-2.95" in local.conf |
| 02:55.59 | jjbenham | I also have all the PREFERRED_PROVIDERS += " virtual/${TARGET_PREFIX}gcc-initial:gcc-cross-initial" uncommented |
| 02:56.07 | jjbenham | maybe that is what is causing it. |
| 02:56.27 | jjbenham | Yes, I am compiling a 2.4 kernel |
| 02:57.04 | jjbenham | arm-linux-gcc-2.95 is also in my path |
| 02:59.39 | jjbenham | so all PREFERRED_PROVIDERS += in the conf file are uncommented. I probably should comment them out do you think? |
| 03:08.33 | jjbenham | The error I get is this: |
| 03:08.37 | jjbenham | serial_collie.c:121: asm/arch/serial_reg.h: No such file or directory |
| 03:08.38 | jjbenham | | serial_collie.c:124: asm/arch/tc35143.h: No such file or directory |
| 03:08.44 | jjbenham | Thats the topmost error anyway |
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| 03:33.42 | jjbenham | WTF. Take a look at http://oe.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/GettingStarted |
| 03:33.54 | jjbenham | It appears to be some grafitti |
| 03:41.38 | ljp | heh |
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| 03:45.07 | jjbenham | heh |
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| 04:08.48 | jjbenham | What would I use this for? ASSUME_PROVIDED = "virtual/${TARGET_PREFIX}gcc virtual/libc" |
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| 06:36.13 | alan|laptop | hiiiii |
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| 08:08.36 | alan|laptop | ~lart alan's stupid BIOS |
| 08:08.51 | alan|laptop | ~curse alan's stupid BIOS |
| 08:08.52 | ibot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, alan's stupid BIOS ! |
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| 08:32.32 | alan|laptop | hi Xora ! |
| 08:32.43 | XorA | lo alan|laptop |
| 08:36.33 | alan|laptop | XorA: i've sucessfully compiled my own 2.6.13 kernel for the first time this morning ! i can't believe how hard i thought it was and how easy it is indeed... |
| 08:37.06 | alan|laptop | that didn't solve my wifi card troubles, but i'm on the way... |
| 08:39.38 | XorA | alan|laptop: cool |
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| 09:55.14 | heathd | hi |
| 09:55.25 | heathd | can someone help me install konqueror-embedded? |
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| 09:55.34 | heathd | I tried to install it using package manager |
| 09:56.12 | heathd | but I'm getting some error |
| 09:56.53 | heathd | Error: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for konqueror-embedded |
| 09:57.11 | heathd | libqte (>= 2.3.10-snapshot-20050131) |
| 09:57.38 | heathd | sorry that should say libqte2 (>= ....) |
| 09:57.46 | heathd | but I have libqte2 |
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| 09:59.19 | heathd | can anyone advise? |
| 10:10.54 | XorA | use command line ipkg with option -force-depends |
| 10:11.30 | XorA | ipkg install -force-depends -d <location> konqueror-embedded |
| 10:18.41 | heathd | ok |
| 10:18.44 | heathd | let me try |
| 10:18.52 | heathd | thanks XorA |
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| 10:32.08 | heathd | XorA: seems to be taking a long time |
| 10:32.32 | heathd | XorA: I guess the write speed is slow |
| 10:32.34 | lardman|work | morning |
| 10:32.55 | lardman|work | Slightly OT I'm sure, but does anyone know about jffs2, and specifically what to do if things like Opie stop starting?: http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=69&t=15238&st=0&#entry97411 |
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| 10:55.23 | heathd | how can I send Ctrl-C to the console? |
| 10:55.34 | heathd | is there any special shortcut? |
| 10:56.07 | alan|laptop | on sl models, japanese kets are ctrl and alt. |
| 10:56.22 | heathd | on sl5500 |
| 10:56.32 | heathd | us model I guess |
| 10:56.37 | alan|laptop | then sorry, i don't know. |
| 10:56.57 | alan|laptop | i meant clamshells models... |
| 10:57.04 | alan|laptop | sl c èx0 |
| 10:57.08 | alan|laptop | dam it !! |
| 10:57.14 | alan|laptop | sl c750 |
| 10:57.27 | heathd | ok i know what you mean |
| 10:57.29 | heathd | thanks |
| 10:57.33 | alan|laptop | (¬_¬) |
| 10:57.34 | alan|laptop | np |
| 10:57.41 | heathd | actually seems like FN-C does it |
| 10:57.58 | alan|laptop | ok. i'll try to remember that |
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| 11:46.12 | guillermo | how do I install a new kernel in my akita? |
| 11:46.40 | guillermo | the same process than kernel and image but without image in the cf card? |
| 11:46.46 | guillermo | do I need the runscript? |
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| 11:47.14 | lardman|work | yes, just put the zImage.bin & updater.sh on the card |
| 11:47.36 | guillermo | aha |
| 11:47.40 | lardman|work | make sure the kernel modules are present though if you're flashing a different version of the kernel |
| 11:47.50 | guillermo | yes yes |
| 11:47.54 | lardman|work | ;) |
| 11:47.54 | guillermo | it's different |
| 11:48.05 | guillermo | all the modeules in the cf too? |
| 11:48.10 | guillermo | they're tons! |
| 11:48.18 | lardman|work | what's the new version - 'uname -r'? |
| 11:48.40 | guillermo | I'm changing from 2.4.x to 2.6.x |
| 11:48.44 | lardman|work | ah |
| 11:48.50 | lardman|work | in that case I'd flash a new image |
| 11:48.58 | lardman|work | there are lots of changes to the files in the image too |
| 11:49.07 | jjbenham | I can't figure out why I can't get any of the collie kernels to compile for me. Can someone post a local.conf for me. Maybe that is my issue. arm-linux-gcc-2.95 is in my path |
| 11:49.08 | guillermo | ok |
| 11:49.23 | guillermo | so now I flash my brand new gpe image with the new kernel |
| 11:49.35 | lardman|work | If you were changing within major kernel versions I'd ipkg install the new modules before you flash - they are placed in a kernel specific directory anyway under /lib/modules |
| 11:49.46 | guillermo | but what about when I want to do a small upgrade |
| 11:49.54 | guillermo | let's say 2.6.14 to 2.6.15 ? |
| 11:49.59 | lardman|work | see my last message |
| 11:50.08 | guillermo | aha |
| 11:50.10 | lardman|work | jjbenham: pastebin the error |
| 11:50.11 | guillermo | I just read it |
| 11:50.12 | guillermo | thx |
| 11:50.30 | lardman|work | np |
| 11:51.32 | guillermo | should I use the updater.sh from openzaurus or is there anyway to get it with bitbake? |
| 11:53.23 | jjbenham | cp: cannot stat `/home/jjbenham/src/OE/org.openembedded.dev/packages/linux/openzaurus-pxa27x-2.4.20-rmk2-embedix20050602/defconfig-collie': No such file or directory |
| 11:53.42 | jjbenham | almost every kernel just complains no such file or directory |
| 11:54.14 | jjbenham | They seem to be missing a file. The default kernel is missing a header file |
| 11:56.27 | jjbenham | now they are failing to download patches today. 404 errors |
| 11:57.27 | lardman|work | guillermo: It should be built for you when you build the image, but you should be fine with the one from oz.org |
| 11:57.37 | lardman|work | guillermo: Make sure it's the one for your machine though! |
| 11:57.58 | guillermo | aha |
| 11:58.00 | guillermo | thx |
| 11:58.02 | lardman|work | jjbenham: The kernel for collie is 2.4.18# |
| 11:58.15 | jjbenham | yeah I tried that one two |
| 11:58.24 | jjbenham | I complained about a missing header file |
| 11:58.45 | jjbenham | should I have #PREFERRED_PROVIDERS += " virtual/${TARGET_PREFIX}gcc:gcc-cross" uncommented for collie? |
| 11:58.53 | guillermo | when compiling an xfce-image I get : /home/colbedded/stuff/tmp/cross/lib/gcc/arm-linux/3.4.4/../../../../arm-linux/bin/ld: cannot find -ldbh |
| 11:59.06 | guillermo | but dbh is compiled!! any tip? |
| 11:59.28 | lardman|work | guillermo: Same answer as I gave you last week, work out whether the staging for dbh is broken, etc. |
| 11:59.44 | lardman|work | jjbenham: Can you post your local.conf in pastbin.ca please |
| 11:59.49 | guillermo | I did, but with no luck :( |
| 12:00.30 | guillermo | dbh is in staging |
| 12:00.38 | guillermo | but it's like it was not found |
| 12:00.43 | lardman|work | guillermo: what is the lib named as? |
| 12:01.03 | lardman|work | libdbh.so or libdbh.so.x.x? Make sure the plain .so exists |
| 12:01.05 | guillermo | dbh |
| 12:01.12 | guillermo | aha |
| 12:01.13 | guillermo | wait |
| 12:01.17 | jjbenham | what is pastbin.ca? |
| 12:01.22 | lardman|work | ~pastebin |
| 12:01.26 | ibot | from memory, pastebin is a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel - try http://pastebin.ca/ |
| 12:01.33 | guillermo | arm-linux/lib/libdbh-1.0.so |
| 12:02.01 | lardman|work | guillermo: In that case either the lib is misnamed, or you need to change your command to -ldbh-1.0 |
| 12:02.03 | guillermo | http://pastebin.com/388934 |
| 12:02.39 | guillermo | change my command? |
| 12:02.59 | lardman|work | guillermo: Where the error occurs, the -ldbh needs to be changed to -ldbh-1.0 |
| 12:03.00 | guillermo | you mean the compiling instruction? |
| 12:03.03 | lardman|work | yes |
| 12:03.05 | guillermo | I know |
| 12:03.14 | guillermo | but then is it a bug or what? |
| 12:03.31 | lardman|work | yes, either a bug with the naming of the lib or with the linking command |
| 12:03.34 | guillermo | I got the same error compiling an image for another machine for lucasvo |
| 12:03.43 | guillermo | ok |
| 12:03.56 | lardman|work | submit a bug report and stick the above info in it |
| 12:04.38 | guillermo | I don't want to do it till I know I'm right |
| 12:04.48 | guillermo | I'll try to fix it and if it works I post the error |
| 12:05.10 | lardman|work | Well that is right - it doesn't compile and the reason is that the linker command is looking for the wrong lib; therefore the error is either the linker command or the lib name. |
| 12:05.53 | lardman|work | jjbenham: How are you getting on? |
| 12:06.23 | guillermo | lardman|work: but I find weird that I'm the only one with that error |
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| 12:06.43 | guillermo | hundreds are compiling xfce-images succesfully |
| 12:06.54 | lardman|work | guillermo: See what depends on libdbh, it may be that no-one every builds this program |
| 12:06.56 | |tbb| | could anyone, tell me the cons and pros to buy a slc1000 instead of a slc3100? |
| 12:07.06 | jjbenham | Here is my local.conf: http://pastebin.ca/25110 |
| 12:07.15 | lardman|work | guillermo: Hundreds! I'm not one ;) |
| 12:07.40 | lardman|work | guillermo: In that case you should look at the changes made to the two .bbs, perhaps someone introduced an error recently |
| 12:07.51 | guillermo | lardman|work: is there anyway to check dependencies, like in gentoo? any command that shows all the packages that depend on other? |
| 12:07.52 | jjbenham | lardman|work: This morning I am just getting 404 errors |
| 12:08.03 | lardman|work | guillermo: Not sure, ask in #oe |
| 12:08.17 | guillermo | ok |
| 12:08.57 | lardman|work | jjbenham: You shouldn't need: KERNEL_VERSION = "2.4" |
| 12:09.19 | lardman|work | jjbenham: Otherwise that looks about right, what are the 404s for? |
| 12:10.04 | jjbenham | www.openswan.org[193.110.157.129]:80 |
| 12:11.14 | jjbenham | This lists some of the 404's: http://pastebin.ca/25111 |
| 12:11.15 | lardman|work | have you checked that the file actually exists? |
| 12:12.01 | lardman|work | they don't appear to exist |
| 12:12.13 | jjbenham | I just assumed the did not exsist |
| 12:12.30 | lardman|work | I've not built a 2.4 kernel in months |
| 12:12.56 | lardman|work | most of these things would be cached locally for people who do build them, so the file has moved, the .bb needs to be updated |
| 12:13.27 | lardman|work | find the files if you can, and either way submit a bug report about it (see if there's one already of course) |
| 12:13.40 | jjbenham | k |
| 12:14.15 | lardman|work | guillermo: You should be able to see which package it is with the depends because that's the one which fails to build |
| 12:14.33 | jjbenham | I see there is a openswan-2.4.0.kernel-2.4-klips.patch.gz. Don't know if it is different than openswan-2.2.0.kernel-2.4-klips.patch.gz |
| 12:14.33 | guillermo | it's xfce-utils |
| 12:14.48 | |tbb| | anyone has a slc1000 ? |
| 12:14.55 | guillermo | but I don't know where the compiling and linking commands are |
| 12:15.02 | lardman|work | jjbenham: Try it, there may be some differences, so the later patches might need tweaking |
| 12:15.10 | jjbenham | k |
| 12:15.21 | lardman|work | guillermo: So look for changes to that package and to dbh itself |
| 12:15.49 | jjbenham | Is there a better branch for collie? dev,dreambox, etc.. does it matter? |
| 12:16.26 | lardman|work | it would be either .dev or .ozfam354 (name?) |
| 12:16.55 | lardman|work | where .dev is the latest stuff and .<something>354 is the branch for the release |
| 12:17.17 | lardman|work | .dreambox is for the dreambox, etc. |
| 12:17.24 | jjbenham | is ozfam354 for familiar though? |
| 12:18.11 | lardman|work | no, the MACHINE setting decides exactly what happens, the files have been separated off as the release for both OZ & familiar is coming soon |
| 12:18.12 | jjbenham | isn't familiar more focused on running on the ipaq? Is it just as stable on the Zaurus? |
| 12:19.16 | lardman|work | OZ is for Zaurus, familiar is for iPAQ, the two are the same but for machine dependent tweaks |
| 12:19.24 | lardman|work | lunch time! |
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| 14:53.39 | lardman|work | guillermo: You make any progress? |
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| 15:41.48 | lardman|work | guillermo: You see my comments on #oe? You just need to patch the dbh .bb to produce the extra symlink - create a bug & add this patch with an explanation |
| 15:44.29 | yipstar | wow my pull of the openembedded monotone repository is still running |
| 15:44.36 | yipstar | started it yesterday afternoon |
| 15:44.54 | yipstar | is that normal? |
| 15:45.12 | lardman|work | it's rather large, so yes it may take a long time |
| 15:45.23 | lardman|work | the other option is to grab one of koen's snaphots, then update that |
| 15:45.27 | yipstar | how big is it if you don't mind me asking? |
| 15:45.51 | lardman|work | -rw-r--r-- 1 enpsgp enpsgp 98452480 Oct 8 12:13 OE.db |
| 15:46.22 | yipstar | is that 98GB? |
| 15:47.27 | lardman|work | no, MB, don't worry :) |
| 15:47.43 | yipstar | phew |
| 15:48.04 | yipstar | only 98MB, seems like along time to pull that |
| 15:48.16 | yipstar | heh I'm in no rush |
| 15:48.18 | yipstar | just wondering |
| 15:48.35 | yipstar | excited to get Ruby running on openzaurus |
| 15:49.00 | lardman|work | cool |
| 15:49.18 | yipstar | I could only find an ipk for 1.7.2 |
| 15:49.22 | yipstar | we're up to 1.8.3 now |
| 15:49.30 | yipstar | so if I can figure this out and automate it |
| 15:49.37 | yipstar | i'd be happy to keep Ruby up to date in the feed |
| 15:50.37 | lardman|work | If you just want an ipk you could ask hrw on oesf in the upgrades thread and he'll build it & stick it in the upgrades feed (though I'm all for getting OE up & running too) |
| 15:51.12 | alan|laptop | yipstar: what is ruby ? |
| 15:51.25 | yipstar | lardman|work: well all I want is an ipk |
| 15:51.30 | alan|laptop | why is it useful ? |
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| 15:54.24 | yipstar | but I'm interested in learning about bitbake etc |
| 15:54.24 | lardman|work | yipstar: http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=11967 |
| 15:54.24 | lardman|work | alan|laptop: a programming language |
| 15:54.24 | lardman|work | ~google ruby |
| 15:54.25 | yipstar | am I correct in the assumption that I use bitbake to build packages for openzaurus right? |
| 15:54.25 | yipstar | alan|laptop: ruby is a programming language. |
| 15:54.25 | yipstar | kinda like python |
| 15:54.25 | yipstar | only prettier imho |
| 15:54.25 | yipstar | I do most of my programming with it these days |
| 15:54.26 | lardman|work | yipstar: yes bitbake & OE metadata are used to build OZ |
| 15:54.26 | yipstar | lardman|work: so I need to make a metadata file for Ruby and build and I'm good right? |
| 15:54.27 | lardman|work | yipstar: the meta file is already there |
| 15:54.41 | lardman|work | yipstar: just do 'bitbake ruby' and it'll download it and its deps & build them all & package it all |
| 15:54.51 | alan|laptop | yipstar: i mean, i know the ruby language, but what app would be usefull on Z ? |
| 15:55.16 | yipstar | alan|laptop: it's a very high level language. Full Object Oriented. Very much like smalltalk in that respect. Sort of a combination of the best ideas in Perl, Smalltalk, Lisp, and Python. |
| 15:55.22 | yipstar | alan|laptop: oh sorry |
| 15:55.23 | lardman|work | alan|laptop: I've been looking at rss readers recently & they seem to use ruby |
| 15:56.10 | yipstar | alan|laptop: my first need is a good rss reader on the zaurus. |
| 15:56.20 | yipstar | ruby has a neat console ncurses based rss reader called Raggle |
| 15:56.29 | yipstar | I'd like to get that running if I can |
| 15:56.45 | alan|laptop | ho ! yeah, rss reader would be great... |
| 15:58.25 | yipstar | and then maybe some packet sniffing type of app I'd like to learn how to write, that I could run on their as well |
| 15:58.30 | yipstar | lardman|work: we're on the same page :) |
| 15:58.35 | yipstar | alan|laptop: if all goes well, i'll make an ipk for both ruby and raggle. |
| 15:58.48 | alan|laptop | great ! |
| 15:58.57 | alan|laptop | i'll play around with that. |
| 15:59.22 | yipstar | I also want to get Rails running on my zaurus, which is a web application framework in Ruby that is getting lots of attention of late |
| 15:59.30 | yipstar | I do full time rails work, so... |
| 15:59.51 | yipstar | one way to build a gui app that runs on my zaurus is write a rails app, and use a web browser as the front end |
| 15:59.57 | yipstar | instead of a native qt thingy |
| 16:00.19 | yipstar | then I can put my GTD (getting things done) application on my zaurus which would be sweet |
| 16:00.27 | alan|laptop | GLRP !!! i need to format the entire laptop and reinstall mswin just to flash my bios... This is my evening bad news... pfffff.. |
| 16:00.37 | yipstar | :( |
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| 16:18.52 | XorA | alan|laptop: that sucks |
| 16:19.08 | XorA | alan|laptop: no MS-DOS based bios flasher at all? Not an award bios then? |
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| 16:57.04 | lardman|work | night all |
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| 17:23.33 | jjbenham | how do I remove packages in OE that I compile. I want to downgrade gcc |
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| 17:54.29 | ````Bulldogg | I have a problem.... I have figured out how to add a browser to my Zaurus but when I try to resolve the dependecies... it fills up all my memory and crashes and I have to reflash again...... and then we are back to the same problem...... anyone have any suggestions? |
| 17:54.48 | ````Bulldogg | I am using the open Zaurus |
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| 19:06.35 | |tbb| | wann sind die clie fällig |
| 19:25.34 | jjbenham | is there anyway to uninstall packages in OE? |
| 19:29.40 | raduga | do you mean "remove packages from Open Embedded"? Or "remove packages from the Open Zaurus rom" you have installed on your handheld? |
| 19:30.22 | jjbenham | from Open Embedded. I think I just figured it out. bitbake package -c clean |
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| 20:07.03 | _law_ | has anyone tried to build current gpe-image for collie (SL-5000D)? my image wont boot. i only see the gpe-bootsplash screen |
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| 21:55.18 | |tbb| | is it possible to use zaurus as tv remote unit |
| 21:58.27 | JustinP | yes, but the IR range is miserable |
| 21:58.50 | JustinP | 2-3ft max |
| 21:59.03 | JustinP | at least it was for my 5500, I haven't tried with my C3000 yet |
| 22:01.10 | |tbb| | im getting a c1000 i a few days |
| 22:01.20 | |tbb| | i would like to have that feature |
| 22:01.29 | JustinP | I doubt it's any better |
| 22:01.45 | JustinP | perhaps if your TV has a really good receptor or you can find a decent IR booster... |
| 22:02.22 | |tbb| | you mean our unit is also 2-3 feed range |
| 22:03.03 | JustinP | probably |
| 22:03.32 | |tbb| | which rom do you have installed |
| 22:03.33 | |tbb| | c3k |
| 22:03.53 | JustinP | Apple|Server: ummm...your box has no swap and is waiting for IO a good bit... |
| 22:03.56 | JustinP | I'm using OZ, e-image |
| 22:04.05 | |tbb| | is this dual boot |
| 22:04.57 | JustinP | with? |
| 22:05.05 | JustinP | I have dev images for development on the HD.... |
| 22:05.14 | |tbb| | im googeling for e-image and what came up |
| 22:05.16 | |tbb| | http://66.249.93.104/search?q=cache:tfE0fuUlzr0J:www.handhelds.org/hypermail/oe/29/2939.html++e-image+zaurus&hl=de&client=firefox |
| 22:05.38 | JustinP | yep |
| 22:05.41 | JustinP | that's my e-mail |
| 22:06.18 | |tbb| | do you got screenshots |
| 22:06.26 | |tbb| | which wlan card do you own |
| 22:07.03 | |tbb| | for me i like the pdaxromz |
| 22:09.32 | JustinP | never used them |
| 22:09.38 | JustinP | I like how OZ works |
| 22:09.40 | JustinP | and X runs just fine |
| 22:09.48 | JustinP | GPE image and e-image both use X, of course |
| 22:09.57 | JustinP | I use the Ambicom CF card |
| 22:10.20 | |tbb| | could u provide me a url of OZ ... |
| 22:11.08 | JustinP | ? |
| 22:11.11 | JustinP | openzaurus.org? |
| 22:11.18 | JustinP | see the topic |
| 22:13.56 | |tbb| | the e-image is a gui? |
| 22:14.33 | JustinP | e17 |
| 22:14.35 | JustinP | enlightenment |
| 22:14.40 | JustinP | window manager |
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| 22:19.21 | jnc | JustinP: i had trouble making oe build a gpe image |
| 22:19.39 | jnc | they have kernel 3.4.4 now, and it makes the kernel too big |
| 22:20.57 | jnc | i mean |
| 22:21.02 | jnc | gcc 3.4.4 |
| 22:21.17 | jnc | gosh i am making thinkos like crazy |
| 22:22.39 | |tbb| | gnite |
| 22:39.15 | JustinP | jnc: ? it's too big? gcc 3.4.4 has been used for a while I think... |
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| 22:39.44 | jnc | JustinP: with the 2.6.x kernel it made an image that was too big, when i tried doing an oe build last week |
| 22:39.52 | jnc | JustinP: RP said he uses 3.4.3 still |
| 22:41.45 | JustinP | jnc: ::shrug:: dunno. I've never tried kernel 2.6 |
| 22:42.09 | jnc | oh okay |
| 22:43.47 | jnc | JustinP: what's that link to the wiki? i've asked twice already |
| 22:44.11 | jnc | unfortunately i wrote it down the 2nd time in Tomboy notes, which depends on Mono (not working presently) |
| 22:44.31 | jnc | the OE wiki where it shows you how to build an OE |
| 22:48.07 | JustinP | jnc: openembedded.org |
| 22:48.46 | jnc | is that the same as oe.handhelds.org? |
| 22:51.22 | JustinP | it redirects you |
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| 23:23.51 | jnc | ahh |
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