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04:00.50jjbenhamIf I want to cross compile a package or two for OZ is OE the way to go? Or is there a better solution?
04:11.23JustinPjjbenham: there is no official "SDK" or toolchain currently, so I'd say yes
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04:29.47jjbenhamThis toolchain may work also : http://handhelds.org/download/projects/toolchain/README
04:36.49Apple|Serverso, how many times over has it been said so far that the video iPod is out? in here?
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05:09.13pikucool.. got bluetooth DUN working in ope
05:09.15pikuopie even
05:10.27pikufor some reason it openembedded made a kernel too big for my flash
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05:36.12Shdwdrgnanyone using GPE?  I just tried to install 3.5.3... it went for about 2-3 minutes, then I hit reset and tried to reboot.  I get the OZ logo, and a flashing curson on the screen, and that's it.
05:36.21Shdwdrgn(installing on a 5500)
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05:48.15JustinPShdwdrgn: your initrd didn't flash. Make sur eyou named it right and that the file on the card has the right md5sum
05:48.19Shdwdrgndamn, had an incomplete file on the CF
05:48.28JustinP:-|
05:48.39Shdwdrgnwaiting for it to flash again
05:48.45Shdwdrgnhow long *should* it take?
05:48.52JustinPwell, 2-3 minutes is fine
05:49.05JustinPbut the flashing cursor told me what was wrong
05:49.21Shdwdrgnah ok... I had a 13.5M file, so it was close
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05:50.02Shdwdrgnhaven't tried gpe since 3.5.1, figured I'd see where it was at these days
05:51.04Shdwdrgnther it goes
05:51.43Shdwdrgnuh.. is gpe using a 2.6 kernel now?
05:56.39Shdwdrgnguess not
05:59.12jncthat's an odd question of sorts
05:59.42Shdwdrgnthe opening screen said 2.6 on it
05:59.50jncright
05:59.52Shdwdrgnwasn;t sure what the 2.6 was referring to
05:59.52jncGPE 2.6
05:59.56Shdwdrgnah ok
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06:06.31|tbb|hello all, yesterday i found out my c1000 has a pixel error 1 white pixel, can i change the unit for a new, because this error
06:06.57jncdo you live in japan?
06:13.27|tbb|not really
06:13.30|tbb|in germany
06:17.21jncyou're screwed then
06:17.37jncmine has a flawed pixel like yours
06:17.44jncit only turns green or black
06:17.47jncno other color
06:24.18|tbb|mine is white
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06:37.29|tbb|how to remove a ipg package, is there a parameter like --purge under debian?
06:38.20JustinPipkg remove
06:38.26JustinPipkg help
06:41.07|tbb|is it a completly remove?
06:41.43|tbb|how about packages which r aborted while installing, how do i remove them
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06:57.37jnc|tbb|: not sure
07:02.30|tbb|could you answer me the question, if i install a packet for example Quake which needs some Libarys which i dont have installed, will they automaticly installed while im doing online with my Z?
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08:01.17hrw|workmorning
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10:24.25dan2003theother day i stumbled across a page claiming to acheive 30fps playback fullscreen on zaurus.. i thnk it used mencoder to encide thevideo, but playback wasnt as simple as just mplay filename.. there was a script of a fewk lines.. and a comment about not havingto exit from the guid environment naymore.. i cannot rmeber where this was and cannot fin dit..does this ring any bells?
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10:36.48alan|laptopmorning !
10:38.39hrw|workhi alan
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10:42.43|tbb|is it possible to connect a Z C serie to an windows desktop pc without any drivers?
10:42.45XorAdan2003: www.openzaurus.org
10:43.39XorA|tbb|: you can attach as usb storage or serial
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10:49.34dan2003XorA, thats it, thanks
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11:02.45dan2003XorA, does that version owrk with opie, gpe or both ?
11:02.56dan2003of mplayer that is
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11:13.24dan2003is there an ipk or just a binary for this version anywhere? i dont really want to have to find the old verion of bitbake, and build oz3.5.3 just so i can build mplayer ;)
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11:25.03|tbb|any tutorial out how to get your Z connect to internet while you are connected to other linux machine via usb cable
11:25.49alan|laptop|tbb|: have a look at OZ webpage.
11:26.04alan|laptopthere is a usb how to.
11:26.47|tbb|is it possible to get that realize while connected to win machine
11:27.02hrw|work|tbb|: you need routing on that linux machine - thats is in any linux route howto I think
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11:35.44Chameleonhi, i tried to compile dchp using bitbake and had to patch the dhcp source. where can i post that "patch" ?
11:36.15hrw|workhttp://bugs.openembedded.org
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11:44.17ChameleonI filed a bug report
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11:47.02hrw|workChameleon: attach patch for that and patch for recipe(s)
11:49.00Chameleonhow to create that patch? diff -ruN ?
11:49.07hrw|workyep
11:49.44hrw|workyou used bitbake to build dhcp, so provide patches which added to metadata allow to build it using bitbake
11:52.10Chameleonis there a step by step howto? I may create a patch for that specific file and modify the bb-file to use that patch ..
11:52.25hrw|workexactly
11:52.44hrw|workand then provide patch file and patch to bb-file
11:53.31Chameleonok, i'll attach them to the filed bug report, if possible
11:55.34hrw|workthere is 'create attachment' link
12:06.55dan2003in the gperom how do i get the usb storage function going, the howto in the forums seems to all relate to the usbnet function
12:07.49ChameleonI created the attachements, thanks
12:08.18|tbb|which programs could i install to use Z as it is a personal organizer, i mean the pim functions or wake
12:16.59|tbb|how do i look how many space i got left on my 128 mb
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12:26.59hrw|workdf -h
12:29.37|tbb|/dev/mtdblock2 58MB ; none 12MB; /dev/mtdblock3 63MB
12:29.55|tbb|does this none means it is not partioned
12:30.20hrw|workrun opie-sysinfo and look at storage tab
12:33.32|tbb|i have pdaxrom installed,just to see how it looks like, now i want to install oz, i want to delete all and make a complete new OZ flash, btw where to get it, ive seen 3.5.3 unstable but the images are 18,3MB and called rootfs.img in the howto doc theres nothing written about it
12:34.00|tbb|they called them zImage.bin initrd.bin and updater.sh
12:34.36hrw|workread oz install guide
12:38.18|tbb|they called them zImage.bin initrd.bin and updater.sh
12:38.31hrw|workrootfs is initrd.bin
12:38.32|tbb|and under downloads c1000 idont find them
12:38.38hrw|workzimage-* is zImage.bin
12:39.01hrw|workhttp://openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.3/c1000/opie-image-akita-20050427214434.rootfs.img is initrd.bin
12:39.09hrw|workhttp://openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.3/c1000/zImage-akita-20050427214434.bin is zImage.bin
12:41.16Chameleonmy first patch for oe doesn't work for me, i attached a new one, that is working for me using bitbake
12:42.44hrw|workok
12:43.02|tbb|why the image is that small?
12:43.12|tbb|pdaxrom is about50 megs
12:44.59hrw|workbecause gpe-image has to fit on devices which has 32M /
12:46.02|tbb|if iam not online with z, is it difficult to install ipg packages
12:47.22hrw|workand?
12:47.49|tbb|that was a question
12:48.27hrw|workuse questionmark please
12:48.59|tbb|if the romz are in diffrent machine folders like c1000 they could optimized a package for that device, isnt it
12:49.01|tbb|+?
12:49.19hrw|workit is not rom - its image
12:49.44hrw|workcurrently we have split: 16M devices or more
12:50.06hrw|workso 16M got base, other get some extra but have to fix in 32M iirc
12:50.30hrw|workwe leave space for users - they can install what they want
12:51.41|tbb|sorry short question again, my unit has 128mb r they for programms which i want, and the 64Mb r reserved for the image is that rigth?
12:52.34hrw|work~64 for / (programs) and rest for /home (user data)
12:52.46hrw|workofcourse you can install soft on /home too
12:54.19|tbb|and if i like to install to sd card how do i do that
12:54.33|tbb|do i have to add a folder to sd card?
12:54.40|tbb|i mean a /home
12:55.34hrw|workmoment..
12:56.20hrw|workcreate /home/packages; add 'dest home /home/packages' into /etc/ipkg.conf and then 'ipkg -d home install stuff'
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12:57.42|tbb|you mean i create folder packages under Z in folder home
12:57.50|tbb|+?
13:00.20hrw|workyes
13:00.44|tbb|i would like to install packages to sd card
13:14.16dan2003mplayer atty 1.1.5 works reasobly well with 2.4.18, is 2.6 noticably better ?
13:26.37|tbb|hmmh the keys calendar address mail home etc. doesnt work on my new flashed Opie image
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13:28.42mrz80Good morning all
13:29.20|tbb|also it is based on kernel 2.4.20-3.5.3
13:29.36|tbb|is that correct
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13:39.56|tbb|hmmh, also the fn keys doesnt work for me, if i would set the light of the display or to zoom the text
13:40.10|tbb|if i go to terminal and use 1 then im in the bash without x
13:40.18|tbb|how i could go back to x?
13:43.21|tbb|if the unit shuts down while im not under x you cant turn it on
13:43.39|tbb|i think i have to look for a stable version, which one is that?
13:48.25|tbb|i was flashing my Z while the battery was half full, after flashing opie says 100%
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14:26.06dan2003ive just flashed the 2.6.11-3.5.3 snapshot kernel, is botted after giving me the warnig about wrng kernel, its booted fully and x is up, but i have no keyboard or ts control, wot havei missed?
14:26.30dan2003i can see modules ofr keyabord and ts but they say they are for corgi so i igniredem (im a husky)
14:27.14XorA~husky
14:27.16ibotrumour has it, husky is Sharp Zaurus SL-C760 or a dog
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14:27.39XorAdid you upgrade the kernel modules from feed?
14:28.01dan2003eek.. canisay no?? (quietly :()
14:28.31dan2003ill put the2.4 kernel baclon thecard, flash that, then update modules andthen flash 2.6 again ?
14:32.00XorAoh, moving from 2.4 to 2.6, that could be harder
14:32.24XorAif you are using OZ 3.5.3 GPE on 2.6 then you cant suspend
14:35.22dan2003oh :(
14:37.28dan2003ok, ill have a go at building from scratch 2nite
14:38.50hrw|workor atleast 354-rc
14:39.15XorAaye, the stuff on my Z has been solid for last couple of weeks
14:39.24hrw|workmy too
14:39.38hrw|workand some stuff is newer then one for 3.5.4 ;)
14:41.12hrw|workme too
14:41.26hrw|workbut 3.5.4 will get opie 1.2.1 and I have post 1.2.1 stuff
14:42.39XorAmore important it get new GPE :-D
14:43.33dan2003is anybody developing any mp3/ogg player forntends for z atm ?
14:43.48XorAdan2003: couple for GPE
14:43.59XorAgpe-nmf and I saw talk of gpe-amp
14:44.07dan2003i beenplaiingondoingit for ages, but i wantto make one that works likeand resmbles the way the rirver menu works
14:44.32dan2003it u can easily navigate by alsbum/arttist etc with only 4 buttons
14:44.54dan2003and want to make sureit spins up hdd for shortest time possible
14:45.07dan2003rather then every few seconds as xmms does
14:46.31XorAdan2003: I used to set the buffer size in xmms to 32meg to stop that
14:46.33mrz80<PROTECTED>
14:46.43mrz80FRUStration sets in.
14:48.14dan2003yup, have done that in the past.. but to have to do it eevrytome i reflash.. which i do quiteoften.. always playing with things!
14:48.34mrz80Whenever I try to install pkgs with the oz package manager I run out of memory and it hangs.
14:48.38mrz803.5.3
14:48.48dan2003anyway i want to make a clear readble interface thatcan be run in fullsreen mode
14:50.35dan2003wil be mygtk learnig curve, iveonly ever used qt / opie stuff b4
14:51.06dan2003andmaybeill get sumin to a usable publisbale state for once!!
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14:55.44XorAmrz80: use ipkg from command line
15:00.11mrz80I'm guessing this is a known issue for apkg?
15:01.30mrz80The other issue I'm having:  Does "ipkg upgrade" pay any attention to the "-dest" flag?  I try to do "ipkg update ; ipkg -dest sd upgrade, but everything goes to root regardless, which naturally runs root out of space and crashes the Z.
15:03.20XorAmrz80: it uogrades to same loc as original package install
15:04.18mrz80Ah.  That makes sense.
15:04.44XorAI assume you are on a 5500?
15:04.53mrz80It would seem the desirable setup is to jump through the requisite hoops and move / to the sd card?
15:04.59mrz80XorA: correct assumption.
15:05.13XorAmrz80: wait for 3.5.4 which supports root on / out of box
15:05.28XorAmrz80: until then uninstall some non essentials from / and do upgrade
15:05.29mrz80I've had it forever and it really cheeses off the wife that I still don't use it as my "daily driver" pda.  
15:05.37XorAmrz80: install all new stuff using -d sd
15:06.19XorAwhen I had a 5500 I never moved / to SD, I always used ipkg -d sd
15:09.49mrz80Ah, here we go again... reflash after hosing things up rather comprehensively :-)
15:09.54mrz80Welcome to Opie :-)
15:10.25hrw|workon collie I moved /opt/ to SD and install all to /
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15:28.39mrz80hrw|work: Any particular hoops to jump through, or just kill opie, mv /opt /mnt/card  and restart?
15:29.47dan2003do thenewerpxa270 devices havefaster SD support?
15:30.04hrw|workoff opie, mv /opt/ /media/card/opt; symlink opt;start opie
15:30.13hrw|workdan2003: probably will have
15:30.34mrz80hrw|work: ok, 's what I figured.  Thanks.
15:30.46dan2003nobodies noticed or set out to find out tho ? that anybody knows of?
15:31.09dan2003im almost thinkin of upgrading,tho im trying to justify the cost , the main factor being usb host
15:31.29dan2003but it makes for on expensive usb port to do it on that alone!
15:31.54mrz80Any point in moving /usr and /lib over to the sd card?
15:31.55hrw|workdan2003: your dialect of English is sometimes hard to follow
15:32.00hrw|workmrz80: avoid
15:32.20dan2003hrw, sorry about that, i am!
15:32.23hrw|workmrz80: if use opie then /opt/ is biggest
15:32.25mrz80*blink* Ok.  
15:32.41dan2003I am englih as well!
15:38.26mrz80hrw|work: Thanks for the help.  I'm on a kick to try to get all my accumulated gadgets working and in use :-)
15:39.09mrz80Visor is still the prime PDA; the Z will be for reading books, playing games, mp3s and (for now at least) logging ham radio QSOs while in the field.
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16:34.13lardmanhrw|work: ping
16:36.18hrw|workpong
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16:48.27hrw|worklardman: wasap?
16:52.39lardman:)
16:52.53lardmanI was just wondering if you knew how Mickeyl's getting along with the builds?
16:53.40hrw|worknope
16:53.44hrw|workno info at all
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17:16.14lardmanno worries, right I'm off to finish my thesis, back in 2 weeks or so ;)
17:16.15lardmannight
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17:44.39Chameleonhi, mplayer is playing but i can't hear anything?
17:47.02Apple|Serverturning up the volume might help
17:47.42Chameleon:) well, i tried that
17:49.17JustinPplug in some headphones?
17:49.48Chameleonalso tried
17:51.41Chameleonopie-mediaplayer is playing fine
17:55.35JustinPit's the output plugin
17:57.17Chameleonmplayer uses oss, should/can i try a different one
17:58.09JustinPyes
17:58.14JustinPI don't know which, though, sorry
17:58.20JustinPI just remember that that can help
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18:00.40Chameleonthanks, is someone using mplayer successfully?
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18:05.28shdw_workanyone know how long a system update should take on a new install of gpe 3.5.3?
18:05.58shdw_workit's been going for a few hours now... process is using 95% of the cpu, but there's no progress bar.
18:26.34Chameleonfound the solution for my mplayer problem, had to put 'ac=mad' in my ~/.mplayer/config file
18:59.06shdw_workanyone know how long a system update should take on a new install of gpe 3.5.3?
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20:23.30katossiJustinP: you used xfce, or e ? I'm confused now .(
20:34.34katossiI just tried gpe in my akita, and I'm so dissapointed!! It's crap compared to opie
20:34.55katossiunfortunately I have to use gpe if I want java and awt, or not?
20:37.07pikuif I have an app running under opie and it quits in a way that the icon is still showing on the applet bar
20:37.10pikuhow do I get rid of that?
20:37.21pikubesides restarting qpe ;)
20:58.18JustinPkatossi: why are you saying it's crap? GPE is great!
20:58.21JustinPkatossi: I'm using e
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20:58.50katossiwait a min! I didn't say it was crap
20:59.10katossibut, the image I just flashed, compared with the opie image I tried, is nothing
20:59.17katossinot eye candy at all
20:59.23JustinPkatossi: you said compared to opie it's crap
20:59.24JustinP??
20:59.26JustinPeye candy?
20:59.30katossiyes
20:59.32JustinPif you want eye candy use e
20:59.38katossiyes!! I know
20:59.43JustinPI have *never* seen mor eeye candy in Opie than GPE...
20:59.46katossibut I get compilation errors
20:59.54JustinPso submti a bug report
21:00.07katossiok, I guess it's a taste question
21:00.12JustinP(why the hell doesn't anyone submit bug reports...?)
21:00.21katossiJustinP:  I'm submitting errors as much as I can
21:00.29katossiJustinP:  I do!!!
21:01.36katossiwhat I got in e-image was not a metadata bug, but a compilation problem
21:01.42katossiI'll try to reproduce it again
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21:02.20katossiunfortunately I'm stuck with 2.4 kernel, we could not bring the akita to boot a 2.6
21:02.50katossione question
21:03.00katossiI tried my dlink cf wireless card
21:03.20katossibut in gpe is not identified, and there is no module to assign to it
21:03.44katossishould I compile the modules separatedly? I though they would be in the image...
21:05.34hrwkatossi: what card?
21:05.52katossidcf-660w
21:06.10hrwit's hostap_cs card
21:06.14hrwI have the same
21:06.21hrwand it works out-of-box
21:06.44hrw~lart iptables
21:07.22hrwiptables is example of powertool which lack easy usage
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21:08.34hrw"redir --sport 80 -i vlan1 --dport 80 --daddr 192.168.1.100" should be easier to get with iptables then it is now...
21:16.39JustinPkatossi: compilation errors *are* OE errors.
21:16.55katossiJustinP:  I knew you would say something like that
21:17.06katossiI hope sometimes I could just delete the last line I wrote
21:17.11hrwsomeone familiar with iptables?
21:17.50katossihrw: I had lunch with them last tuestday :) Thay are friendly
21:18.07hrwkatossi: not for me
21:18.40hrwkatossi: all what I want is few port forwarding... from vlan1 interface to 192.168.1.100 IP address
21:18.45katossihrw now seriously, iptables is a beast that I handle only with my friend firewall-builder
21:19.03hrwI cannot run any GUI there - 8M flash, 32M ram router
21:19.12katossihrw I know, let me think
21:19.47katossi2.4 or 2.6 kernel?
21:20.18hrw2.4.30
21:20.21hrwinet -> vlan1:80 -> iptables magic -> 192.168.1.100:80
21:20.24hrwand inet -> vlan1:1022 -> iptables magic -> 192.168.1.100:22
21:20.42hrw192.168.1.100 is on br0
21:20.48katossicheck this example
21:20.56katossihttp://www.hackorama.com/network/portfwd.shtml
21:21.00katossiand modify it
21:21.27hrwok
22:12.50shdw_workis there a way in gpe to set powersaving, such as dimming or blanking the display after X seconds?
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22:26.06JustinPshdw_work: ipaq-sleep should be able to do that
22:29.27shdw_workis that listed in package manager, or do I need to pull it from elsewhere?
22:38.01JustinPyes, it does
22:38.08JustinPit should already be installed
22:38.40shdw_workyep, found it
22:39.03shdw_worktried issuing "ipaq-sleep -o 10" but it's still not dimming
22:40.05JustinP::shrug::
22:40.09JustinPthats all I know ;-)
22:40.33JustinPIIRC GPE is geared more toward the ipaq
22:40.45shdw_workoh well, at least I know where to look now
22:40.56shdw_workwell damn that ipaq! :-)
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22:48.46katossigpe won't sleep in akita
22:48.49katossiany trick?
22:50.23shdw_workI'm not having any luck on collie either
22:50.59JustinPapm -s
22:53.18shdw_workI get an error that the apm device doesn;t exist
22:56.53JustinPsounds like a problem
22:57.05JustinPdid you di the "fix" of commenting out the apm line in /etc/device_table?
22:58.04shdw_worknope, first I've heard of that
22:58.10shdw_workguess I better get nano installed
22:59.12shdw_workdoes that require a reboot after commenting that line?
22:59.57JustinPnono, don't do that
23:00.04JustinPit would *cause* what you're tlaking about ;-)
23:00.11JustinPyou shouldn't need it
23:00.50shdw_workwell apm -s still gives the same error
23:01.51JustinP::shrug::
23:02.02JustinP"works for me"
23:02.06JustinP(on my spitz)
23:25.30shdw_workanyone know where the timezone file is stored, and why it won't save my changes in the GUI?
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23:31.43JustinPbecaus eyou haven't installed the timezone files probably
23:33.51shdw_workit set the first one I chose, and turned on DST when I checked the box, but after unchecking DST I am unable to check it again
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