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00:18.24Shdwdrgnso the network settings cannot be changed again after they are first set?  Trying to put in a different essid for my wifi, and it won't update the interfaces file.
00:19.03JustinPchekc permissions and who you're logged in as
00:19.51Shdwdrgnlogged in as root.  file is owned by root.
00:21.31Shdwdrgnerg... out of space in rom
00:21.33Shdwdrgnno wonder
00:22.11JustinPROM can't be written to
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01:08.18sirmaxworldhi all
01:09.25sirmaxworldif I install qtopia 2.1.1 does it replace my sharp rom? and does the cf card have to stay in?
01:09.58ljpyes. and no. :)
01:10.46sirmaxworldljp, what does that mean?
01:11.20ljpyes it replaces the rom, and no you dont have to leave the card in - only while it is flashing, of course
01:12.22sirmaxworldI have the qtopia desktop 1.7 under my linux. does it work with qtopia 2.1.1 on my sharp?
01:13.19ljpmostly should
01:13.34ljphmm. not with sharp rom.
01:13.40ljpdepending on your device
01:14.02sirmaxworldljp, I took my cf card out while my zaurus was working. it crashed down and I can't turn it on again
01:14.54ljpodd
01:15.20sirmaxworldI will be right back. pleas don't leave.
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01:33.51sirmaxworldljp, everything is ok. it was just my battery button. it was in the wrong positon, so the zaurus didn't start
01:33.52sirmaxworldpuuh
01:37.11ljp:)
01:37.20ljpdone that many time
01:39.39sirmaxworlddo you know how I get my zaurus under linux running?
01:40.18ljpwhat do you mean?
01:40.46sirmaxworldthat I can sys with qtopia desktop under linux
01:40.54ljpahh.
01:42.23ljpthere's info on the internet
01:43.06sirmaxworlddidn't find anything I can use. nothing for qtopia desktop running with qtopia 2.1.1
01:47.55sirmaxworldljp, which system do U use at your zaurus?
02:06.20ljphmm
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05:08.02Apple|Serverw00t, I must spread my joy of being nominated for adminship on wikipedia!
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07:30.38BigAlHas anybody else had a problem with konqueror on opie not making SSL connectiosn?
07:42.29|tbb|i dont know where to find konqueror anyway
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07:47.34XorAmorning
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09:23.22alan|laptophello ^^
09:24.16hrw|workhi alan
09:24.49alan|laptophi hrw|work
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09:54.02katossihow do I write "/" with an akita or spitz?
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10:00.01alan|afkkatossi: i don't understand your question...
10:00.31katossialan|afk:  no problem, I found it. I meant what key was the one for the "/" symbol
10:00.38alan|afkyou mean write on / directory or type / ?
10:00.39alan|afkhaaaaa
10:00.40alan|afkok
10:00.49katossiI found it, it's a japanese weird thing
10:01.02alan|afki didn't know that.
10:01.36katossiyou got an akita or spitz?
10:01.43alan|afkc7x0
10:04.45alan|afkhrw|work: is there any special reason why OZ 3.5.4 is not released yet ? any major bug ?
10:17.25hrw|workalan|afk: lack of testing?
10:17.32hrw|workiirc RC this weekend
10:20.53|tbb|how to unzip a zip file .zip gunzip and gzip doesnt work for me
10:22.33XorAunzip
10:24.03|tbb|i dont have that prog installe
10:24.13XorAipkg install unzip :-)
10:48.45|tbb|without inet thats a prob
11:10.38XorAhave to be sneakernet then
11:23.58alan|laptophrw|work: then i'll be bughunting all the weekend long.
11:24.37alan|laptopargh  ! on sunday, i go to disnyland paris... i got some free tickets... i'll test that during the week...
11:25.49alan|laptophi XorA
11:25.58XorAyo alan|laptop
11:31.50|tbb|sneakernet? whats that
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11:32.52mrtwisterhi. now online at gaim / oz-gpe
11:32.56mrtwister:)
11:33.10alan|laptopcongrats mrtwister
11:34.03mrtwisterbut have troubles with non-english fonts
11:34.03hrw|workmrtwister: use dejavu fonts
11:34.32mrtwisterin firefox alll ok
11:34.46mrtwisteri using copied from windows pc fonts
11:34.52mrtwisterand do fc-cache
11:34.56XorA|tbb|: put on pair of sneakers and walk :-) from the early days of internet before lots of stuff was coneccted
11:35.22mrtwisterin sylpheed i do not have russian charactersand have instead unicode squares
11:35.38hrw|workuse dejavu fonts instead of vera
11:35.41mrtwisteri installed arial , times , verdana but
11:35.43mrtwisterok
11:35.50mrtwisterwill try :)
11:36.03mrtwisterplease assist in which repository are dejavu
11:39.58hrw|workOE/packages/ttf-fonts/ttf-dejavu*.bb
11:41.09mrtwisterthx will try
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11:51.33XorAhrw|work: have you heard of anyone trying that pdaXrom version of kbdd?
11:53.41hrw|worknot outside oesf
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12:04.20XorAhrw|work: I did, got nothing, but then the batteries might be flat
12:04.49hrw|workXorA: use it under 2.4 kernel not under 2.6
12:05.06XorAhrw|work: that shouldnt make a difference
12:05.49hrw|workbeware 'ipaq keycodes' contra 'zaurus keycodes' thing in his talks..
12:09.48hrw|workhis kbdd ver has 'test9600' pseudo keyboard for it
12:11.26XorAhrw|work: Im at work with no other IR transmitter to test with though
12:11.43hrw|workshit happens
12:11.49hrw|workI go for lunch
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12:17.43|tbb|if i type chvt 3 i became a cursor blinking and without a reset i cant use the device anymore
12:17.56XorAfn + left right
12:19.51|tbb|thx
12:20.12|tbb|how to get more tty sessions working
12:22.56XorAedit /etc/initab
12:32.01|tbb|what ihave to wirte there
12:38.39|tbb|sorry for that stupid questions
12:45.24XorA|tbb|: offhand I dont know, but probably just some more gettys on vt's
12:48.58|tbb|k
12:49.49|tbb|i like to get packets installed but everytime it starts and try to get the packets via internet
12:49.57|tbb|but the zaurus hasnt inet connection
12:50.21|tbb|how do i install the ipg files if i have them allready downloaded to my sd card
12:51.03XorAipkg install blah.ipk
12:51.34|tbb|then it requested some other files from http
12:52.01XorA|tbb|: add them to the command line
12:52.46|tbb|ipkg install blah.ipk otherblah.ipk ?
12:52.53XorA|tbb|: yes
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14:28.21sirmaxworldhi all
14:28.59sirmaxworldI bought the zaurus 5500 because I thought I could use it with my linux on my laptop. but it seems like I was wrong
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14:29.35sirmaxworldis there a ROM for the zaurus that is very compatible with a linux system? syncing etc???
14:31.19XorAopenzaurus
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15:15.28sirmaxworldXorA, can I sync with thunderbird caldender and emails etc. with openzaurus?
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15:44.43|tbb|holla mr twister
15:44.50mrtwisterhi
15:45.02mrtwisterhow are you ? all ok? :)
15:45.13hrw|work|tbb|: how OZ going?
15:45.30|tbb|im trying but not all working like i want
15:45.40|tbb|i have tried pdaxrom
15:45.54mrtwisterdont like.
15:45.56hrw|workwhich one was better?
15:46.03mrtwisteronly due to one reason UI
15:46.42|tbb|the funcionallity from OZ better than pdax but i also like the x from pdax
15:47.02|tbb|no im trying to make a ssh connection to my usb device
15:47.18mrtwisterOZ with gpe have some issues. but maybe i have to compile own image
15:47.31mrtwister|tbb| try OZ GPE
15:47.35hrw|workI have to go - I will be later
15:47.54|tbb|it ask me for passwd but nothing works
15:48.15mrtwisteryou installed OZ?
15:48.20mrtwisterand canno ssh?
15:48.30|tbb|no pdax
15:48.44|tbb|ssh 192.168.129.201
15:48.44mrtwisterfirst assign any password
15:48.56mrtwistersince by default you dont have pssword
15:49.05|tbb|i have tried all
15:49.11|tbb|no passwd
15:49.11mrtwisterand ssh w/o password is not allowed
15:49.46|tbb|where to set the passwd for the sshd on Z
15:50.04mrtwisterfor user
15:50.11mrtwisterpasswd on console
15:50.19|tbb|i have done that
15:50.39mrtwisteri suggest OZ-GPE
15:50.42|tbb|now if i connect from linux desktop pc to zaurus this passwd doesnt work
15:51.10mrtwisterif you want X packages and kept zaurus as PDA
15:51.10|tbb|just curios
15:51.20mrtwister<PROTECTED>
15:51.31|tbb|then?
15:52.46|tbb|damn i typed wrong passwd
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15:53.38|tbb|next step is that Z regonize to go to internet through my linux desktopc
15:53.49lardman|work~seen hrw
15:53.53ibothrw <n=szczepan@c36-51.icpnet.pl> was last seen on IRC in channel #oe, 18h 3m 15s ago, saying: 'cu'.
15:57.41|tbb|thats on my Z
15:57.43|tbb|Destination     Gateway         Genmask         Flags Metric Ref    Use Iface
15:57.43|tbb|192.168.129.0   *               255.255.255.0   U     0      0        0 usbd0
15:57.43|tbb|default         192.168.129.1   0.0.0.0         UG    0      0        0 usbd0
15:58.26|tbb|and thats on my DesktopPc
15:58.30|tbb|Ziel            Router          Genmask         Flags Metric Ref    Use Iface
15:58.30|tbb|192.168.129.0   *               255.255.255.0   U     0      0        0 usb0
15:58.30|tbb|192.168.2.0     *               255.255.255.0   U     0      0        0 eth0
15:58.30|tbb|default         192.168.2.1     0.0.0.0         UG    0      0        0 eth0
15:58.48mrtwisterping work to both ends?
15:59.12|tbb|im connected via ssh from host to Z
15:59.59|tbb|echo nameserver  192.168.129.1 >> /etc/resolve.conf   on my Z
16:02.45lardman|workwhat routes do you have?
16:04.18sirmaxworldis there any zaurus ROM from sharp between 2.38 and 3.1?
16:04.35sirmaxworldI mean the version
16:04.49lardman|workThere was 3.08 which I tested for them
16:05.23lardman|workor perhaps it was 3.07, I can't remember - no matter, there were no official releases between the two you mention afaik
16:06.13|tbb|lardman you can look above which routes i got on Z and DesktopPc
16:07.13lardman|worklol, don't worry, I'm half asleep
16:21.12|tbb|mr twiste r u up
16:21.39|tbb|if i ran the script u gave me i got disconnect from inet
16:22.07|tbb|and yes i got pings from both sides
16:22.10mrtwistercheck it
16:22.23mrtwisteryou may need to add or to remove something
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17:06.13shdw_workanyone know if /usr/lib (in GPE) can be safely moved to SD and soft-linked?
17:07.10lardman|workprobably....
17:07.23lardman|workwhy not just install stuff directly to the card though?
17:08.53lardman|worknight
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17:25.08shdw_workwierd... du says that /usr/lib/ipkg is 5.5M, but after moving it to SD and linking it, I still only have 1.1M free.
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17:33.15JustinPshdw_work: compression in jffs2 I think
17:38.12mrtwisterhi. installing package from pdaxrom. and:
17:38.13mrtwisterroot@c7x0:/home/andrius# ipkg install -d home -test ./libenca_1.7_armv5tel.ipk
17:38.13mrtwisterClearing state_want and state_flag for pkg=libenca (arch_priority=0 flag=16 want=2)
17:38.13mrtwisterNothing to be done
17:38.13mrtwisterAn error ocurred, return value: 4.
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17:42.25JustinPmrtwister: don't install packages from pdaxrom
17:44.58mrtwisteri need FBReader
17:46.01mrtwisteronly.mawhrin.net/~geometer/zaurus/fbreader/
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17:55.18JustinPmrtwister: binaries form other distributions will most likely not work at all in OZ
17:55.45JustinPmrtwister: add it to OE
17:59.15mrtwisterhow? making own BB?
17:59.41mrtwisterroot@c7x0:/media/card/usr/usr# FBReader
17:59.42mrtwisterFBReader: /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.5: version `GLIBCPP_3.2.3' not found (required by FBReader)
17:59.42mrtwisterFBReader: /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.5: version `GLIBCPP_3.2' not found (required by FBReader)
17:59.42mrtwisterFBReader: /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.5: version `CXXABI_1.2' not found (required by FBReader)
18:00.03mrtwisteri unpacked pckage and made symlink libstdc.so.6 to .5
18:00.32mrtwisterprobably need to  compile
18:00.33JustinPmrtwister: yes. I guarantee you you're going to have problems with an ipk from another system.
18:02.23JustinPmrtwister: there are other e-book readers in OE....
18:06.13mrtwisterproblem that  i need FB2
18:12.26mrtwisterJustinP: what other readers available?
18:12.33mrtwisterexcept plucker
18:13.22mrtwisterJustreader ?
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19:07.21mrtwisterseeking gor libstdc++.so.5 for oz/ where i can get? currently there so.6
19:07.29mrtwistersymlinking not help
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19:34.03|tbb|hi all
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19:36.43|tbb|i would like to have a my Z as pda datebook etc. and also i would like x like on pdax is that possible
19:37.27hrwthats problem?
19:37.32hrwgpe has pim
19:39.12|tbb|some screenshots available
19:40.43hrwgpe.handhelds.org
19:42.46|tbb|im suprised ipaq is linux compatible
19:43.56|tbb|i have seen a screenshot that debian run under Z how is that possible
19:44.13|tbb|has someone tried that
19:53.27radugatbb: perhaps.
19:53.40radugaa question for you-
19:54.07radugawhy would you be surprised that debian was able to run on an Ipaq or a Zaurus or similar machine?
19:54.40|tbb|ive never heard of flashing an ipaq
19:55.11radugathe ipaq and the zaurus are both general-purpose PCs; albeit ones using an ARM cpu
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19:55.19radugaand missing a few peripherals standard on other PCs
19:55.51radugaany machine with flash memory, should in theory be capable of being flashed
19:56.37hrwipaq, zaurus, asus mypal and many others..
19:56.48radugathe trick, on older Ipaqs, was getting a boot loader to run
19:57.15radugawhich would have been difficult, without the generous support of our friends at  Compaq/HP
19:58.26radugatbb: because the Zaurus ships with a linux-compatible boot loader, and builtin rom code for flashing, putting any breed of linux you like, is pretty easy.
19:59.31radugabecause the loader may not be BSD compatible, getting a BSD kernel to load an run is a little more work; but still much easier than booting Linux from wince
19:59.32|tbb|ah that makes sharp looks in a good way
20:00.12radugaactually, Compaq was rather more generous with help and support.
20:00.27radugaSharp released some bits of code, and then largely left us to our own devices
20:00.36raduga(no pun intended :)
20:01.24hrwsharp make quite good PDA. but lack any support
20:01.40radugapretty much any Linux-based-OS on ARM runs the standard armlinux kernel, with some mods and tweaks for each model
20:02.29|tbb|raduga which pda do you own
20:02.31hrwsome tweaks and mods are nicer, some are not, some are sharp/lineo crap
20:03.30radugasomeone in #zaurus was complaining that Sharp ROM (in contrast to e.g. pdaXrom) was an inferior, watered down linux, and not the "real thing"
20:04.00radugaactually, the linux (kernel) is pretty much the same; a few flags here and there turned off or on, and a few modules included or disabled
20:04.20radugabut only kernel nerds play in kernelspace
20:04.25radugausers play in userland :)
20:04.29radugawhere they belong!
20:07.30|tbb|could anyone provide me a script which gave me the ability to go online with my Z while im pluged in via usbcable to my Notebook which is connected to my router
20:08.02hrw|tbb|: use google
20:08.12hrw"zaurus nat" iirc
20:08.55hrwwhy people does not check before asking?
20:10.26hrwiirc its just few iptables rules
20:12.02|tbb|i was trying that but 1 small fault i must made because it wont work till now
20:12.20|tbb|i will give it a try in a few minutes
20:13.02hrwI installed guidedog on desktop and used it to setup all for me
20:22.11|tbb|fu** my linux doesnt work with usbnet
20:23.12|tbb|no modules for USB product 4dd/9031/0
20:23.24|tbb|whatever this means
20:24.08hrwwhich kernel?
20:24.32|tbb|2.6.11
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20:26.44hrwand which zaurus?
20:28.24StarScreamhey hrw, long time no see, finally got a wifi card for my X
20:28.29StarScreamZ
20:28.33StarScreameven :)
20:38.14|tbb|c1000
20:38.42hrwcould you try newer kernel?
20:38.56hrwor hack usbmap
20:40.37|tbb|i have done a apt-get upgrade may thats a problem before rebooting
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21:25.46shdw_workanyone seen a package that uses the zaurus email light as a drive activity indicator? (like the hdd light on a regular PC)
21:32.53hrwthere was one for 5500 but not OZ
21:34.39radugaI *do* know that its kernel specific
21:34.57radugaer. ability to twiddle the LEDs is a function of the kernel
21:35.43radugaaccording to the changelog, its one of the things lacking from current 2.6 kernels for pxa270
21:36.20radugabut, im not sure that the userspace tools will work with 2.4 on newer zauruses either
21:39.13hrw2.6 on zauruses lack led support
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21:54.23Nostoirrhi
21:54.37hrwho
21:54.40NostoirrxD
21:55.11NostoirrI have a zaurus cl3100, has anyone install sucessfully here borzoi open zaurus rom image? thanks
21:55.44|tbb|how far does the irda from c1k goes to
21:56.34hrw|tbb|: test :)
21:57.09hrwNostoirr: hm. 3.5.4 will support it
21:57.14hrw3.5.3 does not
21:57.16|tbb|i ask because i would like to see to set my Z to  a tv remote control
21:57.28hrw|tbb|: so check it
22:02.59|tbb|does the feeds ever have to be for a special image
22:03.21radugacare to rephrase that?
22:04.25|tbb|i mean if i found Lirc ipg for OZ does it only work for OZ or could i use that on other images
22:05.04radugaby image you mean "zaurus linux distribution" or ROM?
22:05.32|tbb|pdaxrom image oz image
22:05.33radugaipks for OZ may or may not work with other ROMs depending on what libraries they use
22:05.53hrw|tbb|: pdax and OZ are distros
22:06.03|tbb|k sorry
22:06.12radugalicq for OZ/opie probably not because it probably was built against QT and not X
22:06.22hrwdistro can provide misc images - OZ can provide bootstrap, opie, gpe, xfce, e
22:06.31radugadistros are frequently called ROMs within the zaurus dev community.
22:06.57radugadistribution is probably a more appropriate name, though.
22:07.16radugaa licq ipk built for OZ/gpe might work on pdaXrom
22:07.19|tbb|1 day before i talk about ros (OZ,Pdax) then the told me in here that are images
22:10.37radugaDistribution or ROM is probably the better term.
22:11.27radugaa snapshot of a jffs2 filesystem might be properly called an image.
22:12.02hrwdistro flavours are distibuted in images ;)
22:12.19radugahrw: you have an economy of words
22:12.37shdw_workraduga, reguarding the LED tweaks... this is on a 5500... did you mean it only works on stock ROMs, or that it only works on the 5500 models?
22:12.37|tbb|any of that http://opl.carc.jp/feed/zaurus/?N=D lirc modules will work  with c1000
22:13.11hrw|tbb|: none
22:13.24radugashdw_work: support for the LED tweaking is present in all Sharp-released kernels, as far as I know.
22:14.01radugashdw: user space tools for doing the tweaking are only available for (or targeted at) Sharp ROM on 5500.
22:14.09radugathere may be more, but I haven't heard of or seen them
22:14.17radugaand any sharp-based ROM would be fine
22:14.26shdw_workbummer
22:14.32radugawhat do you use?
22:14.37shdw_workOZ
22:14.46radugait may work with OZ_compat
22:14.47shdw_workcurrently on gpe, but have also used opie
22:15.04radugaor maybe not. depends on what libs they're linked against, or if they use a gui
22:15.15radugaif there's source, you can probably try rebuilding
22:15.35shdw_workah well... just used like a more practical use of that led, since I never look at my email on here :-)
22:15.36radugawhether OZ kernels support LED fiddling I don't know, but I can't see why they wouldn't.
22:15.57shdw_worksince I don't know C, I'm not gonna get very far
22:18.20shdw_workugh that looks bad
22:21.03Nostoirrhrw, do you know if i cross-compile in my debian box ( statically with arm option etc..), a console based aplication, it seems to work in my zaurus? ( i know the're some limitations) but in general it works?
22:21.35hrwNostoirr: should
22:21.42Nostoirrthanks
22:21.57radugaassuming your build environment is set up properly, it should work fine
22:22.08radugamost of us build most of our ARM code on non-arm machines
22:27.05Nostoirrraduga, i cross-compile some packages for the linksys wrt54g router, and configure enviroment to cross compilation, maybe hard sometimes.. but i like experiment :)
22:27.34hrwNostoirr: use OE for both ;)
22:28.12radugaeven better, run OE from the zaurus or linksys
22:29.31|tbb|good nite together
22:30.14hrwn8 |tbb|
22:30.29Nostoirri never heard about it before, it seems be to reduce my headaques. raduga sorry but i can't send you a private msg, thanks por a help. :)
22:31.00radugasorry. the reason you can't send me a private message is because FREENODE IS BROKEN! not your fault :)
22:31.26hrwwhat is wrong with it?
22:31.39hrwah..registration...
22:31.39radugaunregistered nicks can't send prvmsg
22:31.48radugathereby forcing people to register
22:31.51radugawhich is lame.
22:32.29JustinPthat's not broken
22:32.32JustinPperfectly fine
22:32.37JustinPjust talk in the channel
22:32.40JustinPor create a new one
22:32.45|tbb|hehe gn8
22:32.45JustinPor REGISTER
22:32.48JustinPit's not hard
22:32.53radugawith teeth!
22:32.54JustinP8!=ight
22:51.44hrwcu
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23:48.59JustinPApple|Server: php: symbol lookup error: php: undefined symbol: auth_gss
23:49.06JustinPApple|Server: when running php from the command-line

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