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| 00:11.43 | Geo_KM | xav1er2r8le |
| 00:11.45 | Geo_KM | Yeh! are you there |
| 00:12.11 | Geo_KM | Guess no ... Never mind 8-) |
| 00:41.52 | Apple|Server | JustinP: DNS is fully operational again |
| 00:42.04 | Apple|Server | JustinP: and system should be good, had a few things missing in kernel |
| 00:42.18 | Apple|Server | oh wait, not quite, iptables is blocking everything |
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| 08:16.50 | |tbb| | hi hrw |
| 08:17.14 | hrw|work | hi |
| 08:18.09 | |tbb| | i would like to install packets to my sd card, with following command -> ipkg-install -d sd mypacket.ipk |
| 08:18.31 | hrw|work | ipkg -d sd install package |
| 08:19.26 | |tbb| | but it wont work |
| 08:20.12 | |tbb| | i have looked at the conf file , the path is correct /mnt/card |
| 08:20.53 | |tbb| | sd /mnt/card |
| 08:21.36 | hrw|work | "dest sd /media/card/" |
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| 08:54.10 | |tbb| | media doesnt work either |
| 08:58.44 | |tbb| | i will later start ssh on my Z and connect via usbcable then i put ipkg.conf and my syntax to install ipk packets to sd card |
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| 09:28.25 | alan|laptop | hello !! |
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| 10:20.56 | XorA | gah I need a bigger / only 18M left :-( |
| 10:21.16 | hrw|work | XorA: with you 256M sd /? |
| 10:21.22 | XorA | hrw|work: yup |
| 10:21.50 | hrw|work | I have more free with / on flash |
| 10:21.51 | XorA | I suppose I can dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb to my 512M one |
| 10:22.15 | XorA | hrw|work: I have whole (minus the database app) gnome office installed |
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| 10:23.23 | hrw|work | understood |
| 10:23.34 | hrw|work | I only have opie stuff with some extra apps |
| 10:23.52 | hrw|work | and lately I tweaked/fixed few opie bugs |
| 10:23.52 | dan2003 | can anybody tellme whatbvdd is? im refeing to the bvdd suport that mplayer offers.. i have a c760 adn was looking ofr the atty version of mpayer but i keep finding versions with bvdd support |
| 10:24.17 | XorA | dan2003: accellerated drawing on C1000/C3000 devices |
| 10:24.31 | XorA | dan2003: atty version of mplayer is in OE |
| 10:25.02 | dan2003 | k, ill have a looky, thanks |
| 10:27.35 | dan2003 | im running a 3.5.4 i built , but ill try the prebult mplaywer, the mplayer package didnt want to build , failed find qt embedded source which i thought was a tad odd, y would maplyer have qt as a dependacny? |
| 10:27.57 | dan2003 | im runningthe gpe version |
| 10:28.08 | XorA | dan2003: you didnt set a virtual provider for libSDL |
| 10:28.23 | XorA | PREFERRED_PROVIDER_virtual/libsdl = "libsdl-x11" |
| 10:28.39 | XorA | dan2003: and you want to build mplayer-atty |
| 10:29.39 | dan2003 | ok, thanks, ill do that |
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| 11:50.26 | jdims | does anyone know where to get libx11-6_6.2.1cvs20050403 |
| 11:52.49 | XorA | jdims: use -force-depends arg for ipkg |
| 11:52.58 | XorA | jdims: chances are you dont actually need that file |
| 11:52.58 | jdims | ok thanks |
| 11:54.32 | jdims | o also i want to add a desktop icon in oz3.5.3 collie with opie for kismet where is the desktop directory to link to?? i tried using slocate but it complained about some errors... |
| 11:54.54 | XorA | kismet has no gui |
| 11:55.08 | jdims | i just want to put an icon on the desktop to launch it. |
| 11:55.24 | XorA | you have to launch a konsole with kismet in it |
| 11:56.09 | jdims | can i not put an icon calling the konsole to launch it |
| 11:56.20 | XorA | yes |
| 11:57.14 | jdims | what is the location where the desktop icons go. |
| 11:57.33 | XorA | /opt//Qt* somewhere I beleive |
| 11:57.48 | hrw|work | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:58.00 | XorA | cheers hrw|work |
| 11:58.00 | jdims | thanks. |
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| 15:45.08 | wpiku_ | RP, you around? |
| 15:45.37 | wpiku_ | I tried to install 2.6 on 3.5.4 pivotroot installation on spitz and it couldn't find init.. reflashed 2.4 kernel and it booted fine again |
| 15:45.45 | wpiku_ | the lack of screen rotation freaked me out ;) |
| 15:50.32 | shdw_work | anyone know how to remove applets from gpe's panel? |
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| 16:10.21 | |tbb| | thats my ipkg.conf -> src feed0 http://mirror1.pdaXrom.org/current/feed/ |
| 16:10.21 | |tbb| | dest root / |
| 16:10.21 | |tbb| | dest sd /media/card |
| 16:11.28 | |tbb| | if i try -> ipkg-install -d sd /mnt/card/perl_5.8.5_armv5tel.ipk |
| 16:11.42 | |tbb| | ipkg: invalid destination specification: -d |
| 16:11.42 | |tbb| | Valid destinations are directories or one of the dest names from /etc/ipkg.conf: |
| 16:11.42 | |tbb| | root |
| 16:11.42 | |tbb| | sd |
| 16:11.42 | |tbb| | cf |
| 16:11.44 | |tbb| | ... |
| 16:11.51 | |tbb| | what did i do wrong |
| 16:12.07 | |tbb| | i would like to install some packets into my sd card |
| 16:12.15 | |tbb| | could someone help me |
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| 16:27.57 | JustinP | Apple|Dioxide: connection is timing out... |
| 16:53.22 | |tbb| | iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -j SNAT -o eth0 --to 55.55.55.55 what does 5555555 means |
| 17:02.15 | shdw_work | sends matching packets to that IP |
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| 18:16.33 | _gmg | hi |
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| 18:24.02 | RP | wpiku_: On spitz, you don't need pivotboot - just the hdiamge1.tgz and the kernel |
| 18:24.19 | RP | The lack of screen rotate is an issue but nothing to worry about ... |
| 18:27.32 | JustinP | RP: did you alter the spitz 2.6 kernel to boot from HD? |
| 18:27.43 | JustinP | RP: "lack of screen rotate" in which? |
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| 18:53.26 | aris_ | hi people |
| 18:53.43 | aris_ | there is a scary thing with 3.5.3 |
| 18:54.55 | aris_ | by default, ipkg uses the -passive-ftp flag for wget |
| 18:55.06 | aris_ | which obviously makes an error with busybox |
| 18:55.26 | aris_ | wtf ?? has anyone in the oz team actually *tested* it before release ? |
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| 18:58.45 | JustinP | ipks always seemed to work fine more me... |
| 18:58.48 | JustinP | ipkg |
| 18:59.31 | aris_ | it's just the default installation |
| 18:59.54 | aris_ | I didn't do any magic, just used the graphical package manager |
| 19:02.03 | aris_ | hmm ok, only proxy command line options are broken |
| 19:05.32 | RP | JustinP: To boot from the microdrive, you just need to alter tne commandline for 2.6 |
| 19:05.58 | RP | 2.6 can't display a landscape console yet due to the lack of hardware rotation |
| 19:10.58 | wpiku_ | oh so it completely ignores the pivotroot image? |
| 19:11.03 | wpiku_ | that's not ideal for me |
| 19:11.16 | wpiku_ | since my pivotroot images mounts up an image on hda3 as loopback and runs init on it ;) |
| 19:11.55 | wpiku_ | for me, the 2.4.20 kernel, I turn my spitz off and it won't turn back on again sometimes |
| 19:11.59 | wpiku_ | the on/off button doesn't turn it off either |
| 19:25.16 | RP | wpiku_: You can change the kernel commandline to boot whichever partition you like |
| 19:25.42 | RP | wpiku_: I don't get involved with the 2.4 kernel ;-) |
| 19:26.25 | aris_ | id that normal that ipkg takes ages on upgrading a package ? |
| 19:27.12 | RP | depends on the package and the machine... |
| 19:27.22 | aris_ | root@collie:/var/tmp# ipkg upgrade libipkg0 |
| 19:27.22 | aris_ | Upgrading libipkg0 on root from 0.99.147-r1 to 0.99.148-r0... |
| 19:27.22 | aris_ | Downloading http://openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.3/upgrades//libipkg0_0.99.148-r0_arm.ipk |
| 19:27.38 | aris_ | (10 minutes, nothing new) |
| 19:27.57 | RP | Perhaps something is wrong with the network connection which has upset the download? |
| 19:28.22 | aris_ | i'm using a proxy which looks to work correctly |
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| 19:30.31 | sirmaxworld | hi all |
| 19:31.15 | sirmaxworld | I tried to install the opieplayer2 on my openzaurus 3.5.3 with opie 1.2 but it needs a lot of other packages |
| 19:31.45 | sirmaxworld | where do I donwload them? is there a opieplayer2 package comming with allready all dep. packages? |
| 19:37.42 | wpiku_ | if you network your z, and install with ipkg, it will download required pkgs from the feed |
| 19:38.02 | wpiku_ | but opie player (1 or 2) works like crap for me :( |
| 19:38.07 | wpiku_ | at least for video |
| 19:38.19 | wpiku_ | is there any way to run sharp rom apps under ozA? |
| 19:39.19 | sirmaxworld | wpiku_, is it possible let my zaurus use the internet connection of my laptop through usb? |
| 19:39.32 | wpiku_ | that for sure is possible |
| 19:39.38 | wpiku_ | but I don't know the specifics of how |
| 19:39.59 | wpiku_ | I use either CF ethernet, wifi or bluetooth |
| 19:45.07 | aris_ | hmm ok, some package failed to extract/install correctly |
| 19:50.13 | sirmaxworld | wpiku_, is there another player for opie? |
| 19:50.23 | sirmaxworld | for playing mp3's |
| 19:50.33 | sirmaxworld | a good mp3 player I mean |
| 19:52.59 | aris_ | xmms |
| 19:53.16 | aris_ | opieplayer always has been too instable |
| 19:53.26 | sirmaxworld | ok. thanks |
| 20:00.06 | wpiku_ | yeah, xmms is fine, but I need to figure out the theme situation for that |
| 20:05.27 | aris_ | the default theme is ok |
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| 20:16.46 | sirmaxworld | I try to install xmms and I get the failure: cannot find package xmms-e |
| 20:17.06 | sirmaxworld | I intalled download xmms-embedded-qtopia_0.00005pre1_arm.ipk (required) |
| 20:17.07 | sirmaxworld | download xmms-embedded-skin-default_0.00005pre0_arm.ipk (a skin has to be installed) |
| 20:17.07 | sirmaxworld | install both. |
| 20:17.26 | sirmaxworld | like describt, but there is still one missing. which one is it? |
| 20:20.21 | aris_ | hmm |
| 20:20.44 | aris_ | i fear the idea of testing 3.5.4RC |
| 20:20.58 | aris_ | it might be worst than 3.4.3 |
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| 20:51.33 | wpiku_ | I am running 3.5.4 now |
| 20:51.40 | wpiku_ | everything about it works better |
| 20:52.49 | aris_ | did you compile it yourself ? |
| 20:52.57 | aris_ | i can't find images on the ftp |
| 21:00.36 | JustinP | aris_: it's not out yet |
| 21:00.50 | JustinP | aris_: it's being finalized |
| 21:02.43 | aris_ | I'm willing to compile things myself so at least I could correct the bugs that annoys me |
| 21:02.49 | aris_ | and finaly have a stable distro |
| 21:03.13 | JustinP | well, it's more stable now than 3.5.3 was |
| 21:03.15 | JustinP | by far |
| 21:03.51 | aris_ | ok. do I have to follow the instructions at openembedded.org that says I should install bitbake & co to test all that ? |
| 21:04.20 | aris_ | about the kernel for the sl5500, does it need to be recompiled or the default precompiled one is ok ? |
| 21:13.57 | wpiku_ | aris_, yeah... |
| 21:14.06 | wpiku_ | aris_, oe can build it for you |
| 21:14.10 | wpiku_ | so it's not a big deal to build one |
| 21:14.20 | wpiku_ | just be prepared for a pita if you have X86_64 and FC4 ;) |
| 21:15.39 | Apple|Dioxide | JustinP: you there? |
| 21:19.01 | aris_ | aris@darkside ~ $ uname -a |
| 21:19.01 | aris_ | Linux darkside 2.6.13-gentoo-r3 #1 Mon Oct 17 18:18:04 Local time zone must be set--see zic manu x86_64 AMD Athlon 64 Processor 3400+ AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux |
| 21:19.04 | aris_ | :( |
| 21:19.48 | aris_ | hopefully as any serious geek I have a box in a corner that runs gentoo and has enough disk |
| 21:27.27 | JustinP | Apple|Dioxide: yes |
| 21:28.34 | JustinP | aris_: AMD64 is ok. I use an AMD64 running Gentoo. I've fixed a fair number of x64 bugs |
| 21:28.48 | aris_ | i'm too |
| 21:29.09 | aris_ | but I tried to compile oe some months ago (5 or 6) and it didn't work at all |
| 21:29.16 | Apple|Dioxide | JustinP: is it still not working? |
| 21:29.44 | aris_ | so, i think i'll get enough problems with the std arch to add new ones |
| 21:36.13 | wpiku_ | aris_, |
| 21:36.16 | wpiku_ | just ask me for help |
| 21:36.28 | wpiku_ | I just compiled it recently.. I can point out fixes for every issue you'll come across in opie-image |
| 21:36.38 | wpiku_ | and I'm working on bug reports so they could even be fixed sooner or later |
| 21:36.42 | aris_ | wow |
| 21:36.43 | aris_ | thanks |
| 21:36.53 | wpiku_ | no problem.. |
| 21:37.02 | wpiku_ | oe/oz is a good effort.. I'm happy to help |
| 21:37.05 | aris_ | I feel there is some lag in development of oz |
| 21:37.11 | wpiku_ | though the oe people were rude bastards to me when I first got my zaurus ;) |
| 21:37.50 | aris_ | like, the "releases" having crictical problems I could spot the first time I install it |
| 21:40.19 | wpiku_ | true... I mean in case of 3.5.3 versus cacko |
| 21:40.27 | wpiku_ | cacko definitely was more stable |
| 21:40.38 | aris_ | what version code was cacko ? |
| 21:40.39 | wpiku_ | except cacko had problems when switching to qvga where it woudl crash quite often |
| 21:40.46 | wpiku_ | cacko is a modified sharp rom |
| 21:40.50 | wpiku_ | just prettyfied a bit |
| 21:40.54 | aris_ | ah ok |
| 21:40.56 | wpiku_ | and bluez installed and some other stuff |
| 21:41.04 | aris_ | some hack |
| 21:41.05 | wpiku_ | it's basically sharp rom, but they broke it somehow and made it unstable for qvga ;) |
| 21:41.21 | wpiku_ | but oz has kernel 2.6 frequency scaling and stuff |
| 21:41.32 | wpiku_ | and oz has the ability to run my zaurus like a sidekick |
| 21:41.38 | wpiku_ | turn the screen off when I close the lid |
| 21:41.41 | wpiku_ | but never suspend |
| 21:41.57 | wpiku_ | cacko can do the same, but only by setting a lengthy suspend time, after which it will suspend |
| 21:42.04 | wpiku_ | it was only like an hour |
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| 21:42.24 | wpiku_ | at the same time, currently with 2.4.20, with teh display off and on bluetooth, oz uses battery much faster than cacko did |
| 21:42.36 | wpiku_ | my z is all warm under oz in my pocket, but with cacko it was cold |
| 21:42.37 | aris_ | hmm I am the unfortunate owned of a smaller 5500 |
| 21:42.45 | aris_ | which still runs with 2.4 |
| 21:42.55 | wpiku_ | I thought 2.6 was done for 5500? |
| 21:42.59 | wpiku_ | I thought those came first for 2.6 |
| 21:43.03 | wpiku_ | I could be wrong |
| 21:43.07 | aris_ | problems with the closedsource sd driver |
| 21:43.11 | wpiku_ | ooohhh |
| 21:43.13 | wpiku_ | yeah that's right |
| 21:43.18 | wpiku_ | yeah that's a problem |
| 21:43.50 | aris_ | that really sucks |
| 21:43.52 | wpiku_ | I dunno, to many people openembedded probably looks like a small and not easily supported project |
| 21:43.57 | wpiku_ | but to me it looks like it has huge support |
| 21:44.01 | wpiku_ | I work on Atari MiNT |
| 21:44.10 | wpiku_ | it's basically the same exact thing for Atari computers |
| 21:44.15 | wpiku_ | porting packages, etc |
| 21:44.32 | wpiku_ | but we have problems like no shared libs and no virtual memory |
| 21:44.37 | wpiku_ | which is hell ;) |
| 21:44.40 | aris_ | :/ |
| 21:45.01 | aris_ | ah, this time the kernel crashed with the package manager |
| 21:45.26 | wpiku_ | in fact with as bad as our situation is, moving from RPM to this bitbake system that openembedded uses woudl be prudent |
| 21:45.42 | wpiku_ | with RPM we more or less have to build packages on the machines themselves |
| 21:45.44 | wpiku_ | which is slow ;) |
| 21:45.59 | wpiku_ | the fastest ataris are probably 1/4 the speed of a pxa270 |
| 21:46.16 | aris_ | yeah, i see what you mean |
| 21:46.31 | aris_ | cross compiling it on a dual opteron is sure faster |
| 21:46.37 | wpiku_ | yeah ;) |
| 21:46.45 | wpiku_ | I mean if I setup a bitbake repo and converted all the package |
| 21:46.52 | wpiku_ | I could rebuild our atari packages daily |
| 21:46.58 | wpiku_ | in which case the static linking wouldn't even matter |
| 21:47.04 | aris_ | but i don't really understand how that bitbake works |
| 21:47.14 | wpiku_ | from what I can tell, it's a LOT like gentoo portage |
| 21:47.21 | wpiku_ | someone stole from someone on that one ;) |
| 21:47.22 | aris_ | the wikis on OE are very quiet about everything |
| 21:47.45 | wpiku_ | it's actually pretty simple.. it's an automated cross build environment |
| 21:47.49 | aris_ | yep, i've seen some .bb files that look like their portage version |
| 21:48.02 | aris_ | hmm ok. nothing to do with bitkeeper ? |
| 21:48.14 | wpiku_ | nope.. in fact it doesn't use bitkeeper anymore, now uses monotone |
| 21:48.20 | wpiku_ | bitbake could have been made by bitkeeper people though |
| 21:48.22 | wpiku_ | not sure of that one |
| 21:49.01 | aris_ | and i've seen there is a bit of svn too |
| 21:49.21 | aris_ | mixing 3 different systems doesn't make it easier to handle for newbies |
| 21:50.09 | wpiku_ | use subversion to check out bitbake |
| 21:50.18 | wpiku_ | use monotone to check out the oz repository ;) |
| 21:50.26 | wpiku_ | use bitbake to build openembedded |
| 21:50.34 | wpiku_ | it may be confusing but it most likely needs to be that way |
| 21:50.38 | JustinP | NO |
| 21:50.47 | wpiku_ | uh oh ;) |
| 21:50.50 | JustinP | bitbake is a "fork" of Gentoo's portage |
| 21:50.50 | aris_ | hu |
| 21:51.02 | wpiku_ | I knew I saw similarities |
| 21:51.14 | JustinP | IIRC they copied part of it and hacked hacked hacked |
| 21:51.21 | Apple|Dioxide | jjusis it working now? |
| 21:51.29 | Apple|Dioxide | whoops |
| 21:51.30 | wpiku_ | yeah.. bitbake is a *very* unique tool now |
| 21:51.33 | Apple|Dioxide | JustinP: ^ |
| 21:51.35 | aris_ | just like ipkg is a hacked version of dpkg |
| 21:52.01 | aris_ | it now has genuine bugs that did not exist into debian pkg management |
| 21:52.03 | Apple|Dioxide | JustinP: well, i'll be back in about 45 if it's not working |
| 21:52.07 | wpiku_ | I don't know of any other cross compiler distro management systems |
| 21:52.09 | JustinP | similar |
| 21:52.14 | JustinP | Apple|Dioxide: no, it's now |
| 21:52.32 | JustinP | aris_: ipkg needs love, yes |
| 21:52.39 | JustinP | aris_: bitbake is much more error-free than ipkg |
| 21:52.43 | wpiku_ | I saw someone mention unison... man this tool is what i've been looking for forever now |
| 21:52.49 | wpiku_ | it fills the gap that Novell iFolder couldn't ;) |
| 21:52.59 | JustinP | unison is cool, yes |
| 21:53.05 | kolla_ | unison? |
| 21:53.13 | wpiku_ | kolla_, a file synchronization tool |
| 21:53.14 | aris_ | joy ! |
| 21:53.16 | kolla_ | hm.. syncing stuff |
| 21:53.19 | aris_ | I have solitaire working |
| 21:53.21 | kolla_ | yes, figures |
| 21:53.23 | JustinP | OE used to use Bitkeeper, but we dropped it because of the licensing cost and now use monotone. |
| 21:53.25 | aris_ | all that boring work finaly pays |
| 21:53.43 | wpiku_ | you know, I installed 3.5.4 by untarring the rootfs image over my 3.5.3 filesystem |
| 21:53.48 | wpiku_ | and I think that was a bad bad bad idea ;) |
| 21:54.02 | aris_ | JustinP, just a question, why not use monotone for bitbake too ? |
| 21:54.09 | kolla_ | would be nice if the zaurus init could be more like on openslug |
| 21:54.54 | aris_ | kolla_, it works more or less... when something mostly work, don't touch it ! |
| 21:55.06 | aris_ | some guru once said |
| 21:55.27 | wpiku_ | sounds like Nasa policy ;) |
| 21:55.32 | wpiku_ | I was looking at shuttle photos |
| 21:55.39 | wpiku_ | I saw duct tape used liberally inside the shuttle |
| 21:55.58 | JustinP | aris_: because it doesn't need it. OE has many more developers and is more distributed |
| 21:56.10 | kolla_ | aris_: well, for me it doesnt work, hence my wish :) |
| 21:56.50 | wpiku_ | yeah, I have to figure out how to modify kernel 2.6 for my situation.. I can't find where the init= is hardcoded ;) |
| 21:57.03 | kolla_ | aris_: it really should be able to boot with root on SD/CF per default |
| 21:57.25 | wpiku_ | kolla_, all I really want is multiple kernel selection... |
| 21:57.48 | wpiku_ | then you could hardcode a kernel to boot off sd root |
| 21:58.00 | wpiku_ | and then have your old sharprom kernel which boots off hdd |
| 21:58.01 | kolla_ | wpiku_: true |
| 21:58.08 | wpiku_ | grub... that's what I want ;) |
| 21:58.17 | wpiku_ | then we can pass kernel params too |
| 21:58.21 | kolla_ | wpiku_: yeah.. right :) |
| 21:58.36 | aris_ | btw |
| 21:58.43 | wpiku_ | then you could do stuff like for fun boot sharp rom with the 2.6 kernel and see how far you get ;) |
| 21:58.44 | aris_ | just found a crictical bug in solitaire |
| 21:58.49 | kolla_ | allthough CF and SD requires some initialisation |
| 21:59.00 | aris_ | when I've finished with first lot of cards, can't reset the stack of cards ! |
| 21:59.02 | wpiku_ | kolla_, your kernel would have to be in flash |
| 21:59.10 | wpiku_ | your multiple kernels even |
| 21:59.29 | wpiku_ | but you could even load a kernel and use kexec to load grub |
| 21:59.33 | kolla_ | well, there's 16MB for kernels :) |
| 21:59.34 | wpiku_ | then choose which kernel to load ;) |
| 22:00.06 | wpiku_ | I wonder why it complained when my kernel was just over 1.2MB |
| 22:00.17 | wpiku_ | I had to turn off kernel debugging just to make 2.6 work at all ;) |
| 22:00.28 | wpiku_ | exit |
| 22:00.31 | wpiku_ | oops.. sorry ;) |
| 22:00.33 | kolla_ | ;) |
| 22:02.12 | wpiku_ | ok .. going home from work.. bye bye |
| 22:02.37 | kolla_ | bye |
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| 22:47.19 | Apple|Dioxide | JustinP: your downloads from my system should be faster now, I got the outbound connection boosted by 300kbps |
| 22:52.12 | piku | back |
| 23:02.07 | JustinP | Apple|Dioxide: cool |
| 23:02.18 | JustinP | Apple|Dioxide: still can't ssh in, though |
| 23:06.15 | Apple|Dioxide | odd |
| 23:06.21 | Apple|Dioxide | can you access it via the website? |
| 23:06.24 | Apple|Dioxide | err, does that come up? |
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| 23:07.28 | JustinP | nope |
| 23:07.33 | Apple|Dioxide | try now |
| 23:07.35 | JustinP | or maybe I can |
| 23:07.41 | Apple|Dioxide | err, try ssh now |
| 23:07.41 | JustinP | yes, web is up |
| 23:07.55 | JustinP | no ss |
| 23:07.56 | JustinP | h |
| 23:08.45 | Apple|Dioxide | now? |
| 23:10.26 | JustinP | yep, works now |
| 23:10.50 | Apple|Dioxide | cool |
| 23:10.56 | JustinP | thanks |
| 23:11.02 | Apple|Dioxide | still learning iptables as it's a direction connection to the net now |
| 23:11.04 | aris__ | is that normal that i cannot install konkeror-embedded on collie ? it wants a newer libqte2 than available |
| 23:11.17 | Apple|Dioxide | direct* |
| 23:11.38 | JustinP | aris__: if it's happening with 3.5.5 it's normal |
| 23:11.41 | JustinP | 3.5.3 rather |
| 23:11.46 | aris__ | yep, 3.5.3 |
| 23:12.05 | JustinP | you can try upgrading.... |
| 23:12.13 | JustinP | you sure there's none available? |
| 23:12.18 | JustinP | even in the machine feed? |
| 23:12.23 | aris__ | yep |
| 23:12.30 | JustinP | ok |
| 23:12.37 | aris__ | in the machine feed all versions are up to date except collie |
| 23:12.57 | aris__ | no matter, i don't really need konkeror anyway |
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| 23:45.19 | Cube-ness | i dont get it.. i did the 'boot off sd' thing.. using an .img file... now when i install apps, where do i tell them to go? isnt 'root' that img on the sd? |
| 23:46.06 | JustinP | Cube-ness: root |
| 23:47.01 | Cube-ness | right.. but root still seems to be pointing at the internal ram stuff |
| 23:47.27 | JustinP | then you're not booted from SD.... |
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| 23:47.35 | JustinP | why do you think it's still on Flash? |
| 23:47.57 | Cube-ness | thats what i am saying.. why is it still booting form internal? |
| 23:48.17 | Cube-ness | heh |
| 23:49.04 | Cube-ness | i know its still on flash because it says root has 100k free.. |
| 23:49.45 | JustinP | well.....what did you do to make it boot from the image? |
| 23:50.05 | Cube-ness | ran the scripts |
| 23:56.34 | Cube-ness | hmm.. when i select th eopie img at boot.. the fisrt thing see is a msg abou thte block dev mmcd whatver failed |
| 23:58.22 | aris__ | hey people |
| 23:58.24 | aris__ | aris@falcon ~/oe $ monotone --db=~/oe/oe.db pull monotone.vanille.de "org.openembedded.{dev,dreambox}" |
| 23:58.24 | aris__ | monotone: doing anonymous pull; use -kKEYNAME if you need authentication |
| 23:58.24 | aris__ | monotone: connecting to monotone.vanille.de |
| 23:58.24 | aris__ | monotone: network error: failed to connect: Connection refused |