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| 00:00.24 | piku | oops.. I flashed a kernel too big onto my z ;) |
| 00:00.33 | piku | hopefully maintenance mode still works so I can restore NAND |
| 00:01.45 | JustinP | maintenance mode *should* always work |
| 00:02.10 | piku | do you know how to get into it? D+M doesn't seem to work |
| 00:02.12 | piku | maybe I remember it wrong |
| 00:02.48 | JustinP | unplug, open battery cover, pull out battery |
| 00:02.48 | piku | anyway, I may not have destroyed anything - or maybe did.. I flashed 2.6 and now when I go to try to flash a new kernel, after I hit Y when it prompts, screen just turns black |
| 00:02.54 | JustinP | hold d+m, put battery back in |
| 00:03.20 | piku | ah.. there we go |
| 00:03.37 | piku | anyway, before I restore, does that sound like I trashed my NAND? |
| 00:04.03 | JustinP | you could have killed whatever comes after the kernel |
| 00:04.21 | piku | I would think onyl user stuff would come after the kernel.. not the flashing stuff |
| 00:05.12 | JustinP | flashing stuff is in the NAND....don't remember what's where... |
| 00:05.20 | piku | oh well.. I'm restoring |
| 00:05.22 | piku | we'll see how it goes |
| 00:07.05 | piku | yep.. fixed |
| 00:07.21 | piku | oh.. and like a moron I just flashed the bad kernel again |
| 00:07.44 | JustinP | ~baka |
| 00:07.45 | ibot | baka is, like, Japanese for "idiot". Slang often used by Otakus (see Otaku). |
| 00:08.04 | piku | anata wa baka da ;) |
| 00:09.20 | sleeplap | can someone tell me where to put startup scripts in oz3.5.3 collie |
| 00:10.12 | JustinP | /etc/init.d perhaps? |
| 00:10.27 | JustinP | and use update-rc.d to add them to runlevels |
| 00:11.26 | sleeplap | thanks JustinP |
| 00:12.06 | JustinP | np |
| 00:13.49 | piku | ~banzai |
| 00:14.02 | piku | doesn't listen to me ;) |
| 00:18.14 | JustinP | heh |
| 00:18.20 | JustinP | it probably just doesn't know that word |
| 00:18.22 | JustinP | ~fsck |
| 00:18.23 | ibot | No devices specified to be checked! |
| 00:18.28 | JustinP | see? ;-) |
| 00:33.54 | piku | hrmm... is your touch screen and keyboard not supposed to work with 2.6 ;) |
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| 01:14.11 | leprasmur | looking for pros and cons of zaurus sl-c860 from other tech's perspective |
| 01:14.18 | leprasmur | thinking about buying one, but want to have some opinions first |
| 01:19.23 | aris[glande] | hello, please, thanks |
| 01:19.57 | leprasmur | hello all |
| 01:20.03 | leprasmur | please may I have some opinions |
| 01:20.08 | leprasmur | thanks in advanced |
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| 01:30.11 | ttye0 | I am trying to shade my text under my icons in the "launcher". I don't see an option for it...is this a possible thing to do though? |
| 01:30.47 | piku | hrmm.. I remove /etc/pointercal and it doesn't ask me to calibrate :( |
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| 01:37.39 | piku | anyone know how to escape the new storage media screen? |
| 01:38.15 | piku | without a pointer ;) |
| 01:40.53 | leprasmur | nobody is answering anything in here |
| 01:41.25 | leprasmur | but they have enough time to say "<aris[glande]> hello, please, thanks" |
| 01:41.43 | piku | leprasmur, people are busy, it's cool |
| 01:43.56 | leprasmur | yes, people are busy, thats why they are idle, but when someone comes active and just says that, and then doesn't help with anything else, its annoying |
| 01:43.56 | aris[glande] | i just don't know an answer to your question |
| 01:44.02 | leprasmur | thats fine |
| 01:44.26 | leprasmur | but you didn't even say that, you just were telling me to "use my manners" in your way, right? |
| 01:45.05 | aris[glande] | i just found you were quite impolite. |
| 01:45.38 | piku | I don't own an 860 |
| 01:45.44 | piku | and not sure of their advantages/disadvantages |
| 01:45.49 | piku | I can tell you an SL-C3000 is bitchin |
| 01:45.59 | leprasmur | but expensive as all get out tho, no? |
| 01:46.07 | piku | who cares ;) |
| 01:46.11 | leprasmur | lol |
| 01:46.12 | piku | get an sl-c1000 if you're worried about price |
| 01:46.22 | leprasmur | where do you go for them? |
| 01:46.29 | piku | I bought mine from conics.net |
| 01:46.31 | piku | but I'm USA |
| 01:46.40 | piku | you are too apparently |
| 01:46.45 | leprasmur | yup |
| 01:46.54 | leprasmur | trying to find it on ebay |
| 01:47.03 | leprasmur | but haven't seen the 1k model |
| 01:47.40 | leprasmur | how you liking that 4gig hd? |
| 01:49.03 | piku | it's good |
| 01:49.06 | piku | but not as good as I'd hoped |
| 01:49.12 | piku | no fault of the zaurus though |
| 01:49.16 | piku | pxa270 is still too slow for me |
| 01:49.25 | piku | no technology exists to meet my specifications ;) |
| 01:50.28 | leprasmur | heh |
| 01:50.49 | piku | they keyboard is complicated to type on compared to a jornada 690 |
| 01:50.53 | leprasmur | seems the only difference between the 860 and the 1000 is the usb port |
| 01:50.58 | leprasmur | not that that isn't nice |
| 01:50.59 | piku | I could touch type fast on the jornada.. the keys were like laptop keys |
| 01:51.06 | piku | the zaurus keys are harder to type on, but you get used it it |
| 01:51.09 | piku | I can type pretty fast with 4 fingers |
| 01:51.38 | leprasmur | looks like the kb is...all one rubber piece? |
| 01:51.48 | piku | the sl-cxxxx are much smaller than you can imagine |
| 01:52.00 | piku | I think the slc7x0 and 8x0 are rubber |
| 01:52.12 | piku | the c1000/3000/3100 are plastic keys |
| 01:52.15 | piku | very clicky |
| 01:52.26 | leprasmur | ic |
| 01:52.34 | piku | closest thing I can relate it to is an HP 48 calc |
| 01:52.51 | piku | it can play divx video if the rez is reduced |
| 01:52.57 | piku | it can play snes games, mp3, ogg, etc |
| 01:53.20 | leprasmur | nice |
| 01:53.29 | leprasmur | how much did you pay, if you dn't mind my asking |
| 01:53.35 | piku | something like $900 total |
| 01:53.54 | piku | I got zaurus, screen protector, usb host cable, and some other stuff |
| 01:53.56 | leprasmur | wow, the price of a cheap laptop:-P |
| 01:53.57 | piku | the remote control |
| 01:53.57 | piku | etc |
| 01:54.05 | piku | it's much better than my (cheap) dell laptop |
| 01:54.12 | piku | faster even |
| 01:54.13 | leprasmur | didn't come with an expansion card of course, right? |
| 01:54.19 | leprasmur | wow, really? |
| 01:54.22 | piku | yeah.. |
| 01:54.27 | piku | I think it's faster than 500MHz P3 |
| 01:54.33 | piku | or at least similar speed |
| 01:54.44 | piku | arm is good for same things a crusoe or another chip is |
| 01:55.29 | leprasmur | cool |
| 01:55.31 | piku | decoding video, or decryption |
| 01:55.36 | piku | things that are the same thing over and over again |
| 01:55.44 | piku | it's bad for things that are tough on a cpu, like compiling |
| 01:56.14 | piku | for most things, it feels *real* fast |
| 01:56.24 | aris[glande] | piku, my sl5500 137mhz is much more slower than a pentium 120 |
| 01:56.24 | piku | but I've been trying to emulate things and abuse it in other ways ;) |
| 01:56.27 | piku | that's why I'm complaining |
| 01:56.30 | leprasmur | perseption is reality after all |
| 01:56.44 | piku | aris[glande], but slc3k is around 10 times as fast as your 5500 |
| 01:56.47 | leprasmur | besides, don't you compile the software for it on a host computer |
| 01:56.48 | piku | if the oz benches are right ;) |
| 01:56.57 | piku | leprasmur, yeah |
| 01:57.13 | aris[glande] | at least they run python :) |
| 01:57.14 | leprasmur | so compiling isn't that big of an issue is it? |
| 01:57.35 | piku | leprasmur, openembedded is the best cross-compiler setup I've ever seen |
| 01:57.38 | piku | so no.. not that big of an issue |
| 01:57.49 | piku | well.. maybe debian's setup is more impressive |
| 01:58.06 | aris[glande] | i remember in good old time |
| 01:58.14 | leprasmur | I'll have to try to remember that:-D |
| 01:58.17 | aris[glande] | i tried like 27 times to compile gcc as an arm cross compiler |
| 01:58.32 | aris[glande] | never got the correct configure flags |
| 01:58.51 | aris[glande] | i finaly installed the binary ones on openzaurus.org lol |
| 01:59.12 | aris[glande] | then I did nice shell scripts to go into cross-compile environment |
| 01:59.27 | aris[glande] | and I could directly cross compile the tool i was working on |
| 01:59.39 | jnc | aris[glande]: i'm thinking about giving an oe build another go |
| 02:00.06 | jnc | gcc on debian gnu/linux 'etch' amd64 doesn't produce correct binaries in most cases |
| 02:00.25 | jnc | monotone is crashing on me like mad |
| 02:00.36 | jnc | aris[glande]: which hardware are you building for? |
| 02:01.15 | piku | ack... a new storage media detected! |
| 02:01.18 | piku | JUST TO DRIVE ME NUTS! |
| 02:01.19 | aris[glande] | right now i'm trying to compile oe on a x86/gentoo |
| 02:01.26 | aris[glande] | for arm |
| 02:01.53 | aris[glande] | I'm typing on a faster athlon64 right here but I didn't try this time because I remember it failed some time ago |
| 02:01.57 | piku | aris[glande], I did it on x86_64 fc4 so you should definitely be able to do it on a nice gentoo setup |
| 02:02.09 | piku | aris[glande], I got it, it requires some tweaks though |
| 02:02.14 | aris[glande] | erf |
| 02:02.23 | leprasmur | bye all |
| 02:02.30 | aris[glande] | i'd be happy to have the things compiled fine on a normal environment once before |
| 02:14.35 | piku | ok see.. this is really aggrivating |
| 02:14.46 | piku | I can't REMOVE my CF cards when the system is running on it |
| 02:14.56 | piku | this dialog is completely obnoxious :( |
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| 02:27.48 | piku | got it... would have been nice if I realized earlier that ts_calibrate will run without opie |
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| 03:27.51 | darmou | hi all |
| 03:28.15 | darmou | I notice that on www.openzaurus.org there are some new dirs for the next oz release with nothing in them yet. |
| 03:29.26 | darmou | http://www.openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.4-RC/ |
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| 03:59.02 | darmou | any one here? |
| 04:03.14 | psypete | word on the street is 3.5.4 is coming out soon |
| 04:03.38 | psypete | i imagine if you browse around an FTP or something you might find a snapshot, or wherever they keep their -current tree if they have one |
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| 04:45.04 | sirmaxworld | hi all |
| 04:45.32 | sirmaxworld | I'm confused. can somebody tell me which one is the stable OP version? |
| 04:46.58 | JustinP | OP? |
| 04:47.01 | JustinP | Opie? |
| 04:47.05 | JustinP | OZ? |
| 04:51.50 | sirmaxworld | JustinP, I mean openzaurus :) |
| 04:52.30 | sirmaxworld | JustinP, and comes the OZ with a stable OPie? |
| 04:52.32 | darmou | http://www.openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.4-RC/ |
| 04:52.47 | darmou | is the dir structure that has not much in it:) |
| 04:52.56 | sirmaxworld | darmou, yes thats the unstable. |
| 04:52.56 | darmou | Looks promissing though |
| 04:53.14 | sirmaxworld | I used the 3.5.3 and it works terrible for me |
| 04:53.21 | sirmaxworld | have to much bugs |
| 04:53.28 | darmou | sirmaxworld aggreed |
| 04:53.32 | sirmaxworld | freezing all the time |
| 04:53.33 | darmou | I'm using gpe |
| 04:53.44 | sirmaxworld | sycing doesnt work right etc. |
| 04:53.47 | darmou | and that seems to be ok most of the time |
| 04:54.04 | darmou | gpe has multisync have not tried to set that up |
| 04:54.23 | sirmaxworld | darmou, do you know how to sync a 2.38 rom under linux with qtopia 1.7 dekstop? |
| 04:54.26 | darmou | opie will be going down the x route so you will be able to run opie and gpe together |
| 04:54.46 | sirmaxworld | that sounds great |
| 04:55.05 | darmou | i have not been able to get the z to sync at all. multisync works with bluetooth so would like to set that up |
| 04:55.31 | sirmaxworld | hmm |
| 04:55.37 | darmou | I have a blueooth sony ericson that works great with Apple AddressBook and iCal |
| 04:56.16 | darmou | Supposidly multisysc uses syncml which is a well used standard |
| 04:56.43 | darmou | only thing is I would need to get a bluetooth card for the Z:) |
| 04:57.27 | sirmaxworld | is gpe easy to install linke opie? |
| 04:57.41 | sirmaxworld | does it come with 2 files with oZ like the other roms? |
| 04:57.46 | darmou | sirmaxworld if you can install opie, you can install gpe no probs |
| 04:57.49 | darmou | yes |
| 04:58.04 | darmou | just need the gpe image and an oz kernel |
| 04:58.30 | darmou | I would wait for the new releace, has some great new apps such as the webcore based web browser |
| 04:59.30 | sirmaxworld | what do you think when it will come out? |
| 05:01.43 | darmou | No i have no idea but since the dir structure I 'm hopeful that by the end of the month we will see something. |
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| 08:29.49 | hrw|work | hi |
| 08:39.23 | jnc | 'allo |
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| 08:46.17 | alan|laptop | my wifi card works !!! |
| 08:46.21 | alan|laptop | yeahhh ! |
| 08:47.40 | XorA | in *nix? |
| 08:50.33 | alan|laptop | XorA: yeah !! (i bought a usb card... but it works, that is the most important.) |
| 08:51.11 | XorA | coolio, prism2? |
| 08:52.02 | alan|laptop | nope... i bought a really cheap trendnet card, so i use ndiswrapper. prism cards were twice as expensive or so. |
| 08:52.16 | alan|laptop | i bought mine 25euros. |
| 08:53.08 | alan|laptop | now i have to wep/wpa protect my connection... |
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| 09:03.21 | katossi | morning all! |
| 09:05.09 | |tbb| | !seen mrtwister |
| 09:05.10 | cdbot | |tbb|: mrtwister was last seen in # 4 days, 13 hours, 57 minutes, and 8 seconds ago saying: <mrtwister> symlinking not help |
| 09:11.53 | jnc | alan|laptop: which one? |
| 09:11.54 | jnc | oooh |
| 09:12.02 | jnc | ndiswrapper |
| 09:14.48 | psypete | so i am doing the thing, i pressed C+D and reset |
| 09:14.59 | psypete | and the ac adapter is connected but only 1 light (yellow) is on |
| 09:15.33 | jnc | disconnect power and everything |
| 09:15.38 | jnc | leave it like that for 10 min |
| 09:15.41 | jnc | try it again |
| 09:15.52 | jnc | if it's the same way then you're doing something incorrect |
| 09:16.26 | hrw|work | some collies does not light both leds during flash |
| 09:20.01 | |tbb| | any one knows how to configure matchbox that i can close applications by a keystroke |
| 09:21.48 | psypete | i don't know what i'm doing incorrect here... copy OSPACK to a FAT16 CF card, turn switch to 'replace battery', hold C+D and press reset once |
| 09:22.14 | psypete | FAT16 formatted via mkdosfs -F 16 /dev/sda1 |
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| 09:27.45 | psypete | *whew* ok both lights are lit now |
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| 09:31.02 | psypete | what the fuck |
| 09:31.45 | psypete | it's done flashing, and then it starts to boot... and in a console it says "error with mtd blah blah - there was an error with some filesystem, put in the root password or press ctrl+d to continue booting" |
| 09:34.05 | psypete | now it wont boot, great |
| 09:38.32 | XorA | psypete: did you hit reset after flashing? |
| 09:40.43 | psypete | yes sir |
| 09:40.55 | psypete | actually it booted BEFORE i could hit reset, while the battery replacement switch was on!!! |
| 09:41.03 | psypete | which i thought was impossible before |
| 09:41.22 | XorA | that sounds odd, not behaviour I remeber of 5500 |
| 09:41.29 | psypete | yeah |
| 09:43.01 | XorA | have to shake the hrw awake, he is the 5500 guru these days |
| 09:43.20 | psypete | FUCK its doing it again |
| 09:43.55 | hrw|work | I dont support sharprom |
| 09:44.06 | psypete | wah |
| 09:44.38 | hrw|work | dont know how fscked it is as I only used sharprom 2.38 and it was over year ago |
| 09:44.40 | psypete | can you tell me what you think mtdblock1 might be? |
| 09:44.55 | psypete | its saying it could not mount an ext2 filesystem on /dev/mtdblock1 |
| 09:44.56 | hrw|work | maybe ospack with sharprom 3.x is fscked... |
| 09:45.11 | psypete | while mtdblock0 is mounted on / |
| 09:45.14 | XorA | I know the one of zug is good |
| 09:45.21 | XorA | on zug sorry |
| 09:48.55 | psypete | strange i never saw this problem when i flashed before with sharp... it seems almost like the CF card is messing it up |
| 09:49.22 | psypete | i am doing a `dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/sda1 bs=1M` now, will re-format and try to re-flash |
| 09:49.37 | psypete | and as soon as the flashing lights are off on the system i will remove the CF card |
| 09:49.54 | psypete | before it has a chance to boot |
| 09:50.25 | XorA | psypete: when you copy the file you making sure you umount/sync the cf card? |
| 09:52.02 | psypete | yessir |
| 09:52.49 | XorA | just checking all the bases I can think of (ie all the fsckups Ive ever made) |
| 09:53.05 | psypete | yep |
| 09:53.19 | XorA | Im still convinced 90% of flashing problems on zug are because people on windows just pull the card out |
| 09:54.42 | psypete | disk zeroed, filesystem written, mounted msdos, now image copying to cf |
| 09:55.02 | psypete | unmounted... going into the zaurus for new flashing |
| 09:55.35 | psypete | flashing |
| 09:56.50 | hrw|work | checked md5sums? |
| 09:57.04 | psypete | nope :) |
| 09:58.19 | |tbb| | any one knows how to configure matchbox that i can close applications by a keystroke |
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| 09:59.34 | XorA | Ctrl + Cancel isnt it by default |
| 10:01.31 | psypete | ok i'm going to try something stupid, format the CF as ext2 and try it again |
| 10:01.45 | hrw|work | card must be vfat for collie |
| 10:02.37 | psypete | what the hell could it be looking for? why does it want to mount the CF as an ext2 filesystem right off the bat? |
| 10:02.50 | |tbb| | ctrl + cancel is working like TAB |
| 10:03.30 | psypete | hrw|work: vfat or fat16? |
| 10:03.48 | psypete | i've been using fat16 fstype, mounted as msdos |
| 10:04.00 | psypete | and should i use a specific OS or tool to format? |
| 10:06.00 | hrw|work | psypete: I use only linux so for me its 'vfat' - I dont care does it is fat12, fat16, fat16/umbaumba etc. |
| 10:06.33 | XorA | what size is that card? |
| 10:06.38 | psypete | hrw|work: you wanna tell me some of the commands you use to prepare your CF then? |
| 10:06.42 | psypete | 256mb |
| 10:07.31 | hrw|work | psypete: mkfs.vfat probably - currently my cf is ext2 iirc (long time not used) |
| 10:09.13 | psypete | hmm, this is disconcerting |
| 10:09.21 | psypete | flashing is still going on after like 8 minutes |
| 10:12.05 | hrw|work | heh.. KAddressBook has one ugly limitation.. |
| 10:12.38 | psypete | case sensetive at all? |
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| 10:13.15 | hrw|work | no - I want to export VCards to my phone (which is working) with my own scheme |
| 10:13.23 | XorA | aaaaaaargh, who his the prism54 firmware :-( |
| 10:13.26 | hrw|work | Surname 'Nickname' Name |
| 10:13.33 | psypete | no i meant, is "ospack" case sensetive |
| 10:13.37 | hrw|work | ah.. |
| 10:13.40 | hrw|work | psypete: probably |
| 10:13.49 | hrw|work | psypete: zImage is sensitive |
| 10:14.10 | psypete | flashing for the 50th time |
| 10:14.24 | hrw|work | you will wear flash soon ;) |
| 10:14.25 | psypete | you realize i'm not using a zImage or initrd right? just 'ospack' |
| 10:14.32 | hrw|work | yep |
| 10:14.42 | XorA | Im guessing its OSPACK |
| 10:15.36 | psypete | i can either go to sleep now for 1 hour or go get a decent breakfast |
| 10:15.52 | psypete | i dont want to leave my Z broken though :/ |
| 10:29.50 | hrw|work | psypete: you are trying to flash sharprom - someone can say that you are trying to get it broken ;) |
| 10:34.30 | XorA | psypete: why not flash the cacko/crow rom for now, thats a zImage initrd.bin job |
| 10:35.09 | psypete | second-to-last kernel message was "couldn't find valid RAMdisk image at 0" |
| 10:37.32 | psypete | where is the cacko/crow rom? |
| 10:37.46 | hrw|work | heh.. sharp and their weird kernel config.. |
| 10:39.18 | psypete | cacko image downloading VERY SLOWLY |
| 10:39.31 | psypete | is there a mirror |
| 10:40.44 | hrw|work | psypete: is it #cacko channel? :P |
| 10:43.04 | psypete | ok i will try cacko... i wish i could just get sharp rom to work!!!!!!! |
| 10:43.13 | psypete | brb ironing pants |
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| 10:52.27 | psypete | AUGH |
| 10:52.34 | psypete | it still won't boot, even with the cacko stuff!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 11:24.14 | aris | hi |
| 11:34.45 | |tbb| | has anyone answered me, i got disconnected? |
| 11:37.57 | hrw|work | |tbb|: you did not asked |
| 11:39.01 | |tbb| | my question was; any idea how to configure matchbox that i can close applications by a keystroke ctrl+cancel doesnt work? |
| 11:41.23 | hrw|work | a.. that one |
| 12:03.19 | |tbb| | iwould like to go online with my Z via usb cable, but if i add following line to my linux desktop pc im cut off from internet |
| 12:03.20 | |tbb| | iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -j SNAT -o eth0 --to 55.55.55.55 |
| 12:03.28 | |tbb| | whats wrong ? |
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| 12:42.39 | XorA | |tbb|: whats wrong with iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -J MASQUERADE |
| 12:42.57 | XorA | thats a -j, typo |
| 12:43.20 | |tbb| | mrtwister gave me the syntax above |
| 12:45.46 | XorA | never done an SNAT, but thats syntax looks wrong from what you are trying to do |
| 12:50.57 | psypete | echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 12:51.20 | psypete | make sure the Z has you as its gateway and your on the same subnet |
| 12:57.29 | |tbb| | my desktop subnet is 192.168.2.0 my usb0 is 192.168.129.1 my Z has the default gw 192.168.129.1 and the Z usbd0 got the ip 192.168.129.201 |
| 12:57.33 | |tbb| | is that wrong |
| 13:00.16 | piku | sounds correct to me.. |
| 13:00.25 | piku | try pinging your desktop's ip..192.168.2.x |
| 13:00.29 | piku | it should route that through |
| 13:00.39 | piku | well. try pinging the gateway to start |
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| 13:13.46 | |tbb| | pinging is just fine |
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| 14:16.39 | |tbb| | grrrrr |
| 14:17.01 | |tbb| | fdisk -l |
| 14:17.05 | |tbb| | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:17.05 | |tbb| | /dev/mmcda1 1 22787 136720+ 4 FAT16 <32M |
| 14:17.05 | |tbb| | /dev/mmcda2 22788 104168 488286 83 Linux |
| 14:17.29 | |tbb| | df |
| 14:17.31 | |tbb| | /dev/mmcda2 472836 13 448409 0% /mnt/sdext |
| 14:17.44 | |tbb| | ipkg-install -d sd /mnt/card/ethereal_0.10.9-1_armv5tel.ipk |
| 14:17.52 | |tbb| | ipkg: invalid destination specification: -d |
| 14:17.53 | |tbb| | Valid destinations are directories or one of the dest names from /etc/ipkg.conf: |
| 14:18.03 | hrw|work | ipkg install -d |
| 14:18.06 | hrw|work | not ipkg-install |
| 14:18.55 | |tbb| | # ipkg install -d /mnt/sdext /mnt/card/ethereal_0.10.9-1_armv5tel.ipk |
| 14:18.55 | |tbb| | /usr/bin/ipkg: line 502: //usr/lib/ipkg/status.new: No space left on device |
| 14:18.55 | |tbb| | mv: unable to rename `//usr/lib/ipkg/status.new': No such file or directory |
| 14:18.55 | |tbb| | filename - __.ipk |
| 14:19.01 | hrw|work | 19 16:19 < |tbb|> /usr/bin/ipkg: line 502: //usr/lib/ipkg/status.new: No space left on device |
| 14:19.06 | hrw|work | what more to say? |
| 14:19.25 | |tbb| | my root has no space |
| 14:19.34 | |tbb| | my sd card is empty |
| 14:19.44 | |tbb| | the destination thing wont work |
| 14:19.58 | |tbb| | and i dont know why |
| 14:20.19 | aris[glande] | you still need some space in root for installing stuff i think |
| 14:20.24 | hrw|work | exactly |
| 14:20.38 | |tbb| | # df |
| 14:20.39 | |tbb| | Filesystem 1k-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on |
| 14:20.46 | |tbb| | /dev/mmcda2 472836 13 448409 0% /mnt/sdext |
| 14:21.11 | |tbb| | fdisk -l |
| 14:21.13 | |tbb| | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:21.18 | |tbb| | /dev/mmcda2 22788 104168 488286 83 Linux |
| 14:21.41 | hrw|work | So fscking what... you NEED free space on / to use ipkg |
| 14:22.48 | aris[glande] | that's why you should avoid installing anything on root |
| 14:22.59 | aris[glande] | btw some packages should install *only* on root |
| 14:23.13 | aris[glande] | i remember having installed bash on sd ... huge mistake |
| 14:30.48 | |tbb| | # mount |
| 14:30.58 | |tbb| | /dev/mmcda1 on /mnt/card type vfat (rw) |
| 14:30.58 | |tbb| | /dev/mmcda2 on /mnt/sdext type ext2 (rw) |
| 14:31.16 | |tbb| | # df |
| 14:31.16 | |tbb| | Filesystem 1k-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on |
| 14:31.21 | |tbb| | /dev/mmcda1 136568 3892 132676 3% /mnt/card |
| 14:31.21 | |tbb| | /dev/mmcda2 472836 13 448409 0% /mnt/sdext |
| 14:32.13 | |tbb| | ipkg install -d /mnt/sdext /mnt/card/ethereal_0.10.9-1_armv5tel.ipk |
| 14:32.28 | |tbb| | filename - __.ipk |
| 14:32.29 | |tbb| | Downloading http://mirror1.pdaXrom.org/current/feed//__.ipk ... |
| 14:33.48 | |tbb| | otherwise i could use |
| 14:33.50 | |tbb| | # ipkg-install -d /mnt/sdext /mnt/card/ethereal_0.10.9-1_armv5tel.ipk |
| 14:33.50 | |tbb| | ipkg: invalid destination specification: -d |
| 14:33.51 | |tbb| | Valid destinations are directories or one of the dest names from /etc/ipkg.conf: |
| 14:33.51 | |tbb| | root |
| 14:33.51 | |tbb| | sd |
| 14:33.54 | |tbb| | .. |
| 14:34.25 | hrw|work | |tbb|: you are strange man... do you use OZ or pdaX? if pdaX then why asking on OZ not on pdaX channel? |
| 14:35.07 | |tbb| | sorry, dont know a pdax channel and i was hoping someone in here could help me |
| 14:37.54 | XorA | |tbb|: I told you before, pdaX uses an ancient crappy broken barely working ipkg version |
| 14:40.10 | |tbb| | why im the only idiot which dont could install something to sd card |
| 15:14.26 | XorA | |tbb|: your not, pdaX doesnt support that |
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| 15:21.12 | |tbb| | so how the users of pdax install kde on their machines? |
| 15:21.19 | |tbb| | or debian |
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| 15:26.08 | XorA | |tbb|: we dont know, we all run OZ |
| 15:26.27 | hrw|work | thats OZ channel |
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| 15:41.03 | shdw_work | anyone know which ipk has iwconfig, and if there have been any recent updates for it? |
| 15:41.12 | hrw|work | wireless-utils |
| 15:41.29 | hrw|work | and I did not make any updates of it for 3.5.3 |
| 15:41.56 | shdw_work | bummer |
| 15:42.42 | shdw_work | I'm finding once wlan0 gets a lock on an AP, if I go to another location I can't release the initial connection. It gives me an error if I try to change essid |
| 15:43.23 | shdw_work | the only way I've found to release it is to actually reboot my zaurus |
| 15:43.35 | shdw_work | any suggestions? |
| 15:43.49 | |tbb| | what are the latest oz image for cx00 series, is there a xmms player ? |
| 15:49.35 | shdw_work | oh now that's just plain stupid... If I pull out my wifi card, them rmmod hostap_cs, when I plug the wifi back in again it correctly connects to my AP. |
| 15:50.08 | shdw_work | is there some place where I can detect the CF card being removed and add in a script line to rmmod hostap_cs? |
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| 16:53.37 | _gmg | hi |
| 16:53.40 | _gmg | all |
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| 17:19.02 | baldurk | when installing openembedded, at the monotone step, when it downloads stuff, how much does it download? I'm at 9MB right now, and I'd like to know how close I am to done |
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| 17:22.03 | raduga | using vanille.de? |
| 17:22.26 | raduga | baldurk: vanille likes to crash. you may want to look for an alternate monotone server |
| 17:22.48 | baldurk | hmm |
| 17:23.07 | baldurk | well I'm downloading at about the max speed I'd like to |
| 17:23.09 | baldurk | 20k/s at the most |
| 17:23.29 | raduga | let it run for awhile then |
| 17:23.46 | baldurk | hmm, can you give me an order of magnitude? 20MB? 200MB? 2000MB? :) |
| 17:23.49 | raduga | if it seems to be taking longer than you think is reasonable, then perhaps vanille.de *is* in fact broken again |
| 17:23.59 | JustinP | baldurk: look at the # of revisions |
| 17:24.14 | baldurk | 2702 currently |
| 17:24.19 | baldurk | it's been stuck there for a while |
| 17:26.24 | raduga | try: ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl instead? |
| 17:27.05 | baldurk | hmm is there any way to change to that server without restarting the process? it's been going on for 90 minutes so I don't want to lose that if I can help it |
| 17:28.52 | raduga | it took ~ 5 minutes for me, with utwente.nl (at ~ 500k/s) |
| 17:29.16 | raduga | so shouldn't be too much more than an hour, if you're using 20k/s |
| 17:29.19 | raduga | assuming all is well |
| 17:29.29 | raduga | maybe even a bit faster :) |
| 17:29.29 | baldurk | hmm ok |
| 17:29.43 | baldurk | in that case, can I ask if there's any way to limit the speed of the process? |
| 17:30.03 | baldurk | rather than letting it eat all the bandwidth it can |
| 17:30.37 | baldurk | either that or a way to do it over http. Either is good |
| 17:30.42 | psypete | i bought a 128M SD card and i am installing Cacko now |
| 17:30.56 | raduga | psypete: good for you! |
| 17:31.55 | baldurk | actually it's going really slow too :/ |
| 17:32.05 | raduga | hrm. :/ |
| 17:32.06 | JustinP | baldurk: did you use a snapshot? |
| 17:32.14 | baldurk | snapshot? don't think so |
| 17:32.24 | JustinP | baldurk: then stop your pull and grab a snapshot first |
| 17:32.30 | baldurk | ok |
| 17:32.35 | JustinP | http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/OE/ |
| 17:32.46 | JustinP | use the snapshot to pull, less revisions then |
| 17:33.07 | raduga | baldurk: another option, if you're justy interested in trying out the OZ linux distribution, and not that interested in development, would be to wait for the 3.5.4 release candidate that should be due in the next day or so |
| 17:33.09 | JustinP | also, the speed is not really relate dot your download speed, it's more related to your processor speed |
| 17:33.21 | psypete | and.... cacko is not booting. |
| 17:33.23 | raduga | probably not what you want, but its another option. :) |
| 17:33.38 | baldurk | hmm well what I want to do is cross compile apps for the zaurus |
| 17:33.40 | raduga | psypete: not so good for you :( |
| 17:33.49 | psypete | :| |
| 17:33.56 | raduga | baldurk: ok. then you want OE, I guess. |
| 17:33.59 | baldurk | there's hardly any info on what OE actually is, but I think it's some kind of cross compiler script? |
| 17:34.19 | raduga | unless you're using pdaXrom, in which case, you can use their dev kit |
| 17:34.32 | raduga | OE is a cross build environment |
| 17:34.42 | raduga | compiler + scripts + tools + stuff |
| 17:34.48 | baldurk | ah ok cool |
| 17:35.02 | JustinP | OE is the metadata for building a cross-compile environment, applications, and sistributions |
| 17:35.04 | raduga | not really geared toward RAD, but it *does* work :) |
| 17:35.06 | JustinP | distributions |
| 17:35.12 | raduga | justinP: thank you |
| 17:35.32 | baldurk | ok, that's kind of what I'm aiming it |
| 17:35.33 | JustinP | it *does* work like RAD as soon as you understand how it works |
| 17:35.35 | psypete | i will let the zaurus sit without a battery for 10 minutes then i will try to install cacko again.... however i am afraid it may be destroyed or something :( |
| 17:35.44 | JustinP | psypete: which z? |
| 17:35.49 | psypete | 5500 |
| 17:35.52 | baldurk | I think I might actually reinstall OZ once a newer version comes out, get a clean start |
| 17:36.01 | baldurk | the package management with ipkgs etc is horrendous |
| 17:36.13 | raduga | justinp: something like RAD, perhaps. But even in interactive mode, there's more overhead than I really like |
| 17:36.17 | JustinP | the hardest part of getting apps to compile in OZ is to fix non-cross-compile-friendly build systems |
| 17:36.30 | JustinP | in OE I mean |
| 17:36.47 | JustinP | psypete: and what's wrong? nothing at all coming up? |
| 17:36.53 | raduga | baldurk: you will like OE, then. |
| 17:37.03 | baldurk | I'm hoping so |
| 17:37.12 | psypete | JustinP: after flashing and doing the post-flash reset, it does not power on |
| 17:37.20 | raduga | cacko on 5500 is still experimental |
| 17:37.32 | psypete | :( |
| 17:37.41 | baldurk | what I was hoping for a zaurus distro which was essentially linux on different hardware, but oz isn't like that :/ |
| 17:37.43 | psypete | wish there was some warning of that before... |
| 17:38.00 | psypete | baldurk: you want debian on zaurus |
| 17:38.07 | baldurk | you can do that? |
| 17:38.15 | baldurk | interesting.. |
| 17:38.24 | raduga | baldurk: huh? what about OZ isn't like linux? |
| 17:38.25 | psypete | google for debian zaurus |
| 17:38.31 | JustinP | you can do *gentoo* on zaurus...it's all a matter of configuring things right |
| 17:38.34 | JustinP | also openbsd |
| 17:38.42 | JustinP | OZ *is* linux |
| 17:38.44 | baldurk | gentoo on zaurus would be neat, because I'm used to gentoo's set up |
| 17:38.52 | baldurk | no no I'm not saying OZ isn't linux |
| 17:39.03 | psypete | OZ isn't linux, it's a PIM GUI |
| 17:39.19 | baldurk | well for a start gpe was close to what I wanted |
| 17:39.21 | JustinP | of course compiling on a Z will be s-l-o-w. You can use compiling distribution to help deal with it, though |
| 17:39.24 | baldurk | but it was really difficult to use |
| 17:39.25 | JustinP | psypete: NO |
| 17:39.32 | psypete | linux is a warm console, a penguin and a compiler |
| 17:39.36 | JustinP | psypete: OZ is a Linux distribution for Zaurii |
| 17:39.45 | raduga | the icons/widgets on gpe are a bit small |
| 17:40.15 | baldurk | well what I liked about gpe is that it's essentially X11 + wm + gtk etc |
| 17:40.15 | raduga | JustinP: a weenie might argue that its a GNU/Linux distribution for Zaurii |
| 17:40.19 | baldurk | so it's all the same as on a desktop |
| 17:40.24 | psypete | functionality is everything in an operating system |
| 17:40.25 | raduga | JustinP: since Linux is just a kernel |
| 17:41.46 | baldurk | hmm looks like debian on zaurus hasn't been updated in a while |
| 17:41.49 | baldurk | http://people.debian.org/~mdz/zaurus/ |
| 17:42.24 | raduga | try http://www.pocketworkstation.org |
| 17:42.30 | psypete | as long as it works |
| 17:42.46 | psypete | besides it'll download new arm packages which is what counts |
| 17:42.55 | raduga | or as they recommend, http://wiki.debian.org/PocketWorkstation |
| 17:42.57 | psypete | you don't need the latest and greatest kernel on an embedded machine |
| 17:43.25 | raduga | the Zaurus is sometimes, but not always an embedded machine |
| 17:43.45 | baldurk | I'll bookmark those links and get back to them when I have time to look at putting them on my Z |
| 17:43.53 | raduga | the key in "embedded" is, once its loaded and running you *don't* futz with it. |
| 17:44.18 | JustinP | raduga: if you like |
| 17:44.49 | raduga | your average sarariman Zaurus user may well only use it as a PDA, and the Linux running on it could be treated as an embedded system |
| 17:44.51 | JustinP | baldurk: I use enlightenment on my Z :-) |
| 17:45.04 | JustinP | OE=OpenEmbedded ;-) |
| 17:45.17 | raduga | but I suspect most of the people here do non-embedded type things with their Zauruses much of the time |
| 17:45.22 | baldurk | the ideal system would be a close to identical copy of my desktop on the zaurus |
| 17:45.25 | raduga | JustinP: gpe? |
| 17:45.38 | baldurk | because then I have flexibility above just "what ipks are available" :) |
| 17:46.17 | psypete | raduga: there'll always be those that futz with the system but that doesn't make said system any less embedded |
| 17:47.25 | raduga | ok. maybe my definitions are off. |
| 17:47.30 | raduga | psypete: what's an embedded system? |
| 17:49.20 | raduga | psypete: if I'm using the term incorrectly, I'd like to refine that usage. |
| 17:49.41 | psypete | i'm not a dictionary but i can go to google if you want :) |
| 17:50.09 | raduga | if you think I'm using it incorrectly, I'd like to know how. |
| 17:50.28 | raduga | if you don't feel the need to specify, I will continue my (incorrect?) usage. |
| 17:50.51 | JustinP | raduga: no, enlightenment. GPE is the WM and such. enlightenment is its own thing |
| 17:51.01 | psypete | i personally refer to any machine which has a specific purpose and is not used for general computing, or has a non-standard architecture and constrained memory or disk medium, and is modified as necessry to perform specific tasks |
| 17:51.03 | JustinP | raduga: uses the same X server as GPE (as well as a few base packages) |
| 17:51.32 | psypete | as an embedded device |
| 17:52.02 | raduga | psypete: a fair percentage of the people in #oz and #zaurus and #cacko (myself included) use their Zaurus as a small-form-factor general purpose PC. |
| 17:52.20 | psypete | that's fine |
| 17:52.34 | raduga | to me, this makes their *use* of the Zaurus, as non-embedded use. |
| 17:52.52 | JustinP | and OE isn't that great a name...we know this |
| 17:52.57 | JustinP | but it works |
| 17:53.07 | JustinP | it's targeted towards small distributions, so we call it embedded |
| 17:53.11 | psypete | well you can interpret the use any way you want. i can use the zaurus as an oversized dildo if i want |
| 17:53.14 | raduga | but if "embedded" is only fairly a description of hardware and software, and not its actual realworld use, then all Zauruses are probably embedded. |
| 17:53.39 | JustinP | BTW, the new distro (when it come sout which is not soon) will be called Angstrom (some of those are special chars, not sure which) |
| 17:53.42 | baldurk | according to wikipedia: "An embedded system is a special-purpose computer system, which is completely encapsulated by the device it controls. An embedded system has specific requirements and performs pre-defined tasks, unlike a general-purpose personal computer. An embedded system is a programmed hardware device." |
| 17:54.10 | JustinP | we've taken what was initially supposed to be somewhat of an embedded system and turned it into a general purpose device |
| 17:54.36 | JustinP | same as the NSLU2. It's meant to be embedded but it was hacked and is now general purpose |
| 17:54.50 | raduga | justinP: I would agree. |
| 17:54.50 | JustinP | same kind of thing with the XBox. Meant to be embedded, but has been hacked to do more |
| 17:54.55 | raduga | probably just splitting hairs |
| 17:58.50 | JustinP | :;shrug:: |
| 17:59.00 | JustinP | the Sharp ROM is a strangely hacked embedded system.... |
| 17:59.10 | JustinP | the OZ people want a better general purpose system |
| 17:59.55 | raduga | I agree that OZ is a much nicer, more flexible general purpose system |
| 18:00.18 | psypete | though buggy |
| 18:00.20 | raduga | but Linux is a kernel, and Sharp's Linux almost the same as OZ's but for a few thousand lines of patch |
| 18:00.22 | JustinP | not to mention the horrible kernel code that Sharp licensed...but whatever |
| 18:00.40 | JustinP | true for 2.4 kernels, not true for 2.6 kernels |
| 18:00.51 | JustinP | the 2.6 kernel work is all done by people outside Sharp |
| 18:00.57 | JustinP | i.e. OE people |
| 18:01.12 | psypete | didn't know you guys had a working 26 kernel for z |
| 18:01.33 | psypete | is there some main hub where these patches and things go? |
| 18:01.37 | raduga | it might be fair to say that a 2.6 system contains a much better linux than Sharp's |
| 18:01.59 | JustinP | it is entirely fair to say that |
| 18:02.07 | JustinP | the 2.6 stuff is getting into mainline |
| 18:02.15 | JustinP | the 2.4 stuff would never get into mainline |
| 18:02.19 | raduga | but it still wouldn't be fair to call Sharp's "watered down" since I can't see any huge functionality that was removed or displaced from the mainline tree |
| 18:02.30 | JustinP | it's hacked, not watered down |
| 18:02.37 | raduga | agreed. |
| 18:02.44 | JustinP | psypete: there are a few people who work on the patches |
| 18:03.17 | JustinP | psypete: the 2.6 kernel(s) are only working on *some* zaurii, not all of them. THere's some work for them all, but it's not 100% for all of them |
| 18:03.47 | psypete | k |
| 18:03.53 | psypete | and the 2.4 patches? |
| 18:04.31 | JustinP | also done my OZ/OE people, but they attempt to fix bugs and make Sharp/Embeddix code more sane |
| 18:04.35 | wpiku_ | speaking of 2.6.. |
| 18:04.41 | wpiku_ | it does pretty much what it's supposed to for me |
| 18:04.47 | wpiku_ | and it seems ever so slightly faster |
| 18:05.10 | psypete | no i meant where can i find the 2.4 patches |
| 18:05.23 | raduga | 2.6 is much nicer layout |
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| 18:06.50 | wpiku_ | I agree... it seems like a better implementation |
| 18:06.52 | wpiku_ | a fresh start |
| 18:07.02 | wpiku_ | althoughh... my socket CF ethernet card doesn't work |
| 18:07.13 | wpiku_ | I hunted around for pcnet_cs and couldn't find it |
| 18:07.15 | wpiku_ | for 2.6 or 2.4 |
| 18:07.19 | wpiku_ | so I don't know how it worked under 2.4 ;) |
| 18:07.44 | raduga | maybe its been renamed? or merged with another driver? |
| 18:07.47 | raduga | let me look at the tree |
| 18:08.14 | psypete | didn't they take pcmcia out of the kernel? |
| 18:08.27 | psypete | in 2.6 |
| 18:10.12 | Mamay | does anyone know whether the irk for pocketop will be finally fixex/working in upcoming 3.5.4 for poodle |
| 18:14.19 | psypete | now i can't get any rom at all to boot |
| 18:14.23 | psypete | this is horrible |
| 18:21.49 | JustinP | psypete: you may need to flash the Sharp OSPACK. Try that and see if it works. Then try flashing back to OZ. |
| 18:21.58 | JustinP | psypete: do it from CF, not from the cradle |
| 18:22.07 | raduga | wpiku: pcnet is in 2.6 tree for sure |
| 18:22.08 | JustinP | psypete: the patches are all listed in OE's kernel bb files |
| 18:22.31 | raduga | and it appears that pcmcia *is* fully merged with 2.6, its not outside the kernel tree for now |
| 18:23.41 | wpiku_ | hrmm |
| 18:25.59 | psypete | JustinP: i have tried every OSPACK there is for download, as well as several OZ image sets and other firmwares as well |
| 18:26.12 | psypete | and i am doing it from the cf |
| 18:26.21 | psypete | will it also work if i try it from the SD? |
| 18:26.22 | wpiku_ | looks like my ipks were bad |
| 18:26.26 | wpiku_ | I installed the ipk yet the file isn't even there |
| 18:27.59 | wpiku_ | the keyboard repeat rate in 2.6 is awful |
| 18:28.05 | wpiku_ | I don't know why anyone decided to leave it this way |
| 18:28.10 | wpiku_ | you have to be a perfect typer to avoid repeats |
| 18:28.29 | raduga | too fast or too slow? |
| 18:29.54 | JustinP | psypete: the 5500 can't flash from SD |
| 18:30.08 | JustinP | psypete: you tried the Sharp OSPACK? Did the lights come on as normal? |
| 18:30.13 | JustinP | wpiku_: :-| |
| 18:31.30 | psypete | yes, tried the sharp OSPAC, both lights came on for ~3mins |
| 18:31.57 | psypete | i formatted the CF from windows as "FAT" and copied over the file onto the root of the CF as "Ospack" |
| 18:32.35 | JustinP | well if the lights come on for the right amount of time it should be working... |
| 18:32.44 | JustinP | did you check the size of the file you downloaded? |
| 18:34.26 | psypete | each ospack is 16 megs |
| 18:37.38 | JustinP | well if th eflash is working I don't know why it wouldn't boot |
| 18:38.01 | psypete | i think permanent damage was caused the last time i got it halfway booting |
| 18:38.45 | psypete | $130 paperweight :( |
| 18:39.39 | psypete | flashed again, still refusing to boot |
| 18:40.16 | psypete | hope i can return this SD card |
| 18:40.40 | psypete | sigh |
| 19:01.26 | katossi | RP: any progress with 2.6 and akita? |
| 19:33.33 | wpiku_ | JustinP, not to mean any offense |
| 19:33.49 | wpiku_ | but I saw on Richard's website "yeah the keyboard repeat rate is a little high, but you just get used to it" |
| 19:33.51 | wpiku_ | and I was like HUH? |
| 19:33.57 | wpiku_ | why not make it match 2.4 |
| 19:33.59 | wpiku_ | at least somewhat |
| 19:34.10 | wpiku_ | even my desktop machine's repeat is set a little further out |
| 19:34.33 | wpiku_ | anyway... since oe is the way it is, I can jsut fix it for myself ;) |
| 19:34.35 | psypete | um |
| 19:34.56 | psypete | after flashing.... why would the e-mail (green) light be blinking? |
| 19:35.06 | wpiku_ | do you have a hard drive? ;) |
| 19:35.41 | psypete | on my zaurus? only a CF |
| 19:35.51 | psypete | i have not created an IDE adapter for it yet |
| 19:37.40 | wpiku_ | raduga, the repeat rate is fine itself |
| 19:37.42 | wpiku_ | the delay is too short |
| 19:37.45 | wpiku_ | very very too short |
| 19:37.48 | wpiku_ | I have big fat fingers ;) |
| 19:40.32 | raduga | wpiku: on the Zaurus, even midgets have fat fingers! |
| 19:40.41 | raduga | midget babies |
| 19:40.43 | wpiku_ | lol ;) |
| 19:40.49 | wpiku_ | one other thing I thought |
| 19:40.53 | wpiku_ | who uses keyboard repeat? |
| 19:40.58 | wpiku_ | like ever ;) |
| 19:41.05 | raduga | for some keys, yes |
| 19:41.18 | raduga | space, cursor movement keys |
| 19:41.24 | wpiku_ | oh.. true true true! |
| 19:41.30 | raduga | occasionally carriage return |
| 19:41.56 | raduga | and, formerly, ^G |
| 19:42.28 | raduga | I say "former" because the cases when I seem to use the terminal bell are fewer and fewer between |
| 19:42.32 | raduga | fewer and farther |
| 19:42.50 | raduga | hm. also ^H |
| 19:43.09 | raduga | but, for ordinary text input, hardly at all. |
| 19:43.09 | psypete | ^L |
| 19:43.26 | wpiku_ | ^G used to be great fun back in the BBS days |
| 19:43.28 | raduga | psypete: why would you need to clear the screen repeatedly? |
| 19:43.36 | psypete | i wanna be sure |
| 19:43.55 | psypete | sometimes i repeat on certain keystrokes just in case |
| 19:44.12 | psypete | like ^e |
| 19:45.03 | raduga | in the case of certain keys, I find myself, not repeating them, but pressing them *extra*hard* just to be sure :) |
| 19:45.58 | psypete | ok, i am pretty sure my zaurus is freaking dead |
| 19:46.11 | psypete | i have tried every firmware with every step 100 times |
| 19:46.21 | psypete | on 2 operating systems with 2 different cards |
| 19:46.27 | raduga | pete: its probably you doing the freaking. Zauruses tend to be calm and quiet. |
| 19:46.28 | wpiku_ | is there a resulting ipk which contains all of the kernel modules for a particular kernel you built? |
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| 19:47.15 | wpiku_ | raduga, guess you offended him ;) |
| 19:47.28 | raduga | I guess I did. |
| 19:47.32 | raduga | I was going to follow that up with some more helpful suggestion |
| 19:48.21 | raduga | but, its my observation that most of the times we find our computers to be freaking, or acting oddly, its really ourselves that are acting strange |
| 19:48.28 | raduga | we project so much on our machines |
| 19:48.51 | wpiku_ | see.. I just did make modules_install... and it didn't copy the pcnet_cs |
| 19:49.00 | wpiku_ | it built it.... I'm so confused |
| 19:49.16 | wpiku_ | it made a kernel module out of it too |
| 19:49.16 | raduga | wpiku: building in OE or native? |
| 19:49.18 | wpiku_ | why would it ignore that |
| 19:49.28 | wpiku_ | I built in oe.. it made an ipk that won't install |
| 19:49.36 | wpiku_ | and out of curiosity I just did make modules_install manually |
| 19:49.38 | wpiku_ | and it didn't install it |
| 19:49.48 | wpiku_ | (I don't have a 2.6.14 kernel installed on teh host so no overwrite worries) |
| 19:49.59 | raduga | it made an ipk? |
| 19:50.06 | raduga | does the ipk contain the module you wanted? |
| 19:50.10 | wpiku_ | yeah.. it made a LOT of ipks.. one for each module ;) |
| 19:50.25 | raduga | you've copied them over to your Zaurus? |
| 19:51.02 | wpiku_ | it woudl seem too |
| 19:51.23 | raduga | have you manually copied the ipks to your zaurus? |
| 19:51.51 | wpiku_ | yeah |
| 19:52.08 | wpiku_ | I try to do ipkg install kernel-module-pcnet-cs-2.6_2.6.14-rc1-r3_spitz.ipk |
| 19:52.14 | raduga | oh, ok. |
| 19:52.18 | raduga | what happens then? |
| 19:52.20 | wpiku_ | and it complains that it can't find parent module kernel-module-pcnet-cs-2.6 |
| 19:52.26 | wpiku_ | parent package even |
| 19:52.40 | wpiku_ | originalyl I just copied all of the ipks down |
| 19:52.44 | wpiku_ | and did ipkg install * ;) |
| 19:52.47 | raduga | modprobe or ipkg complains? |
| 19:52.54 | wpiku_ | ipkg complains |
| 19:53.02 | wpiku_ | the module isn't actually installed then |
| 19:53.10 | raduga | possibly it has bad dependencies |
| 19:53.24 | raduga | try opening the ipk and see what's inside |
| 19:53.38 | raduga | or force the dependencies |
| 19:54.15 | wpiku_ | force depends says no |
| 19:54.20 | wpiku_ | I did open the ipk and it's there |
| 19:54.23 | wpiku_ | I guess I should just manually install it |
| 19:56.39 | raduga | if modprobe/insmod fails, you know something else is missing |
| 20:13.16 | wpiku_ | yeah |
| 20:13.31 | wpiku_ | it's claiming it can't find symbol (-1) |
| 20:13.38 | wpiku_ | so I'm reinstalling them all ;) |
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| 20:34.00 | JustinP | wpiku_: offense? I'm not a kernel dev ;-) Yes, please fix it and let us know |
| 20:55.48 | wpiku_ | well you made the :-| face |
| 20:55.51 | wpiku_ | so I thought maybe ;) |
| 20:56.02 | wpiku_ | can anyone explain why the OK button at the top right corner doesn't seem to work sometimes |
| 20:56.07 | wpiku_ | it highlights but doesn't actually DO anything |
| 20:56.38 | wpiku_ | oh I see |
| 20:56.41 | wpiku_ | it's my screen protector |
| 20:56.43 | wpiku_ | confusing it somehow |
| 21:04.20 | JustinP | wpiku_: I made that face because I was feeling sort of sad for you |
| 21:09.17 | wpiku_ | JustinP, in a sarcastic way |
| 21:09.20 | wpiku_ | JustinP, ;) |
| 21:09.43 | wpiku_ | JustinP, I'm quite used to "issues" with things |
| 21:20.03 | wpiku_ | is it a big problem to install gpe stuff (like gxine) over an opie-image installation? |
| 21:21.19 | JustinP | no |
| 21:21.31 | JustinP | but having GPE and Opie running at the same time is a little problematic |
| 21:21.44 | JustinP | mostly because they both try to deal with the screen and backlight |
| 21:21.59 | JustinP | and you need to make sure they don't both run on the same VT |
| 21:22.07 | wpiku_ | can you run the qpe x server and then run gxine over qpe? |
| 21:22.10 | wpiku_ | or will that be a lot slower |
| 21:22.27 | wpiku_ | that makes sense |
| 21:23.56 | JustinP | I wouldn't suggest trying to run movies over an X server on top of something else |
| 21:24.04 | JustinP | and...what qpe x server do you mean? |
| 21:24.57 | wpiku_ | well I know under sharp rom the x server ran on top of qtopia |
| 21:25.09 | wpiku_ | I figured there's probably a native fb xserver for under oz |
| 21:25.13 | wpiku_ | but maybe also a qpe one |
| 21:25.19 | wpiku_ | or opie one, etc |
| 21:25.21 | wpiku_ | whatever you call it |
| 21:26.37 | AppleBoy | how's life treating you guys? |
| 21:27.20 | wpiku_ | hrmm. xinerama.. what the heck could we need that for ;) |
| 21:27.36 | wpiku_ | and xawtv.. interesting |
| 21:30.00 | wpiku_ | it looks somehow to me like gtk packages will run under opie |
| 21:30.03 | wpiku_ | without an x server |
| 21:30.16 | wpiku_ | because bitbake doesn't want to build an xserver that is |
| 21:31.44 | raduga | woohoo tosa! |
| 21:32.05 | raduga | 3.5.4rc tosa images baked and served :) |
| 21:32.11 | wpiku_ | nice :) |
| 21:32.55 | wpiku_ | anyone know how stable the sound is on 2.6 kernels? I saw there's experimental sound code on RP's site.. but I don't like the word experimental ;) |
| 21:33.06 | JustinP | wpiku_: what x server on the sharp rom? |
| 21:33.15 | wpiku_ | JustinP, there's an x server.. |
| 21:33.19 | wpiku_ | JustinP, I found it on someone's page.. |
| 21:33.27 | wpiku_ | I could run firefox, blackbox, etc.. |
| 21:33.27 | raduga | wpiku: also on RP's site is the phrase "sound not supported" |
| 21:33.40 | raduga | do you like that term any better? |
| 21:33.43 | wpiku_ | raduga, that's why I'm asking how useful it is ;) |
| 21:33.56 | wpiku_ | the preliminary work that is ;) |
| 21:34.14 | AppleBoy | JustinP: which would be more helpful for you? more processor speed or more ram? |
| 21:34.19 | raduga | useful if you're a computer scientist or enthusiast, perhaps |
| 21:34.26 | raduga | probably not useful for a professional musician. |
| 21:34.45 | wpiku_ | lol.. no no no .. I meant in terms of end user, and as far as the code quality so far.. |
| 21:34.54 | wpiku_ | i.e. can you play music but then when you stop it'll continuously play a tone, etc |
| 21:35.05 | wpiku_ | it says sound not supported, but he does have code up there for the sound stuff |
| 21:35.16 | wpiku_ | and I'm wondering just how unfinished it |
| 21:35.17 | wpiku_ | is |
| 21:35.21 | raduga | wpiku: probably more like, "some of the back end is in place, but some of it is not. good luck!" |
| 21:35.29 | raduga | wpiku: try and see |
| 21:35.34 | wpiku_ | raduga, I was thinking abotu it ;) |
| 21:35.57 | wpiku_ | I have to wipe my install and rebuild opie-image and submit bug reports.. |
| 21:36.06 | wpiku_ | I didn't back up the "clean state" so I don't know where I made changes :-/ |
| 21:36.37 | wpiku_ | I thought I could just recheck out oe and compare them, but a whole LOT of changes have been made in only a few days.. busy bees |
| 21:36.45 | JustinP | AppleBoy: I suspect RAM would be good since you use this maching for other thigns as well...not sure how much is in it now, though |
| 21:37.01 | AppleBoy | 1 gig right now, I would probably just be adding another gig |
| 21:37.22 | wpiku_ | JustinP, I have a dual xeon server you could build on if yuo need cpu power |
| 21:37.30 | JustinP | heh |
| 21:37.30 | AppleBoy | otherwise I'm going to get a new mobo with a 25? instead of the 242 currently in there |
| 21:37.31 | wpiku_ | it has 1gb of ram and currently does nothing |
| 21:37.41 | JustinP | I'm already using AppleBoy's amd64. It's plenty fast for me |
| 21:37.49 | wpiku_ | JustinP, ok.. let me know if anyone needs some horsepower |
| 21:37.55 | JustinP | but if you have no use for it and AppleBoy would like his system back ;-) |
| 21:38.05 | AppleBoy | I don't care |
| 21:38.16 | wpiku_ | JustinP, are you submitting x86_64 bug reports/changes? |
| 21:38.26 | wpiku_ | JustinP, I only ran into like 2 roadblocks taht I can remember |
| 21:38.27 | AppleBoy | I figured out the problem that was causing it to crash when using 100% of the cpu, so no more problems :) |
| 21:38.33 | JustinP | I've fixed some problems and submitted a few bugs, yes.... |
| 21:38.38 | JustinP | :-) |
| 21:38.38 | AppleBoy | wpiku_: what connection do you have on it? |
| 21:38.45 | wpiku_ | 6.0/768 |
| 21:38.48 | wpiku_ | aDSL |
| 21:38.54 | AppleBoy | ah, about what I have |
| 21:38.57 | wpiku_ | also relatively unused because it's at my friend's residence |
| 21:39.01 | AppleBoy | brb |
| 21:43.37 | wpiku_ | yuck.. that server I spoke of only has 256K cache per cpu |
| 21:43.51 | wpiku_ | it's still fast anyway |
| 21:45.56 | AppleBoy | except it's $100/modem |
| 21:50.52 | wpiku_ | AppleBoy, what's with your whois? |
| 21:51.00 | wpiku_ | freematrix/dj/apple? |
| 21:51.04 | wpiku_ | is that ipv6 or something? |
| 21:52.32 | AppleBoy | no |
| 21:52.35 | jnc | wpiku_: it's the ircd |
| 21:52.36 | AppleBoy | #freematrix |
| 21:52.46 | AppleBoy | hiya jnc :) |
| 21:53.25 | jnc | wpiku_: on Freenode IRC, users are permitted to whore themselves in exchange for superficial hostmasks, extending their cybergeek ego to new heights |
| 21:54.04 | jnc | wpiku_: the only practical purpose is to kill children |
| 21:54.08 | jnc | but you didn't hear that from me |
| 21:54.25 | jnc | [/halftruth] |
| 21:58.00 | AppleBoy | lol |
| 21:58.19 | jnc | i changed the layout of my room around |
| 21:58.29 | jnc | oh this isn't #freematrix |
| 21:58.40 | AppleBoy | jnc whored his sister out to me, but that didn't cut it to get him one |
| 21:58.49 | AppleBoy | :/ |
| 21:58.51 | AppleBoy | poor jnc |
| 21:59.37 | jnc | 'hell are you talking about kyle |
| 21:59.49 | AppleBoy | :P |
| 22:00.34 | jnc | the only reason keeping me from having my usual "jnc@macco.pimpcat.org" resolving hostmask is that I did it with IPv6 and my present situation does not lend to using that connection |
| 22:01.03 | jnc | master of the house refuses to allow ICMP ping replies |
| 22:01.16 | jnc | therefore tunnelbroker.net refuses my admittance |
| 22:01.33 | jnc | it's based on machines which allow ICMP ping replies, if you don't reply, it denies you |
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