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| 01:29.06 | covux | hello. i just tried to upgrade a fresh install of opie on sharp sl-5500 and got a lot of "errror linking" msgs (and iam full of redbull-vodka) so thanks for any help :-) |
| 01:36.09 | covux | *sniff* |
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| 04:30.08 | xiaowen | On 6000SL, is there a way to boot and run from SD without flashing? |
| 04:39.54 | xiaowen | The OZ website is down. |
| 04:56.05 | xiaowen | Yay! /me just booted into kernel 2.6 on SL6000. |
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| 05:24.25 | grendal_prime | grrrrrrrrrrrrrr |
| 05:24.39 | sheepbat | hey grendal |
| 05:24.48 | grendal_prime | ok got network through usbd0 working..and as soon as i ran the upgrade..it crashed |
| 05:24.55 | sheepbat | ew |
| 05:25.04 | grendal_prime | and...well left me with a nonworking install |
| 05:25.12 | grendal_prime | so i re flashed it |
| 05:25.19 | grendal_prime | what the hell when wrong there |
| 05:25.33 | sheepbat | how was it nonworking? |
| 05:25.46 | grendal_prime | im a little confused on the ipkg (wannabe apt-get) package manager |
| 05:26.21 | grendal_prime | well it just booted and basically never loaded the gui wich..was ok but when i tried to fire anything up it gave me errors about a glib file of some sort that was missing |
| 05:26.44 | grendal_prime | i mean even dir was not working ls was but..i just couldnt do anything |
| 05:27.07 | xiaowen | (dir isn't standard *nix anyway I think.) |
| 05:27.20 | sheepbat | no, it isn't |
| 05:27.23 | sheepbat | hmm |
| 05:27.35 | grendal_prime | and i have a few questions about the root user on this thing..i mean i was able to add a new user..but it never seems to do anything with it |
| 05:27.44 | sheepbat | with opie? |
| 05:27.48 | grendal_prime | and dudes..ths is about as debian an istall ive ever seen |
| 05:27.51 | grendal_prime | ya opie |
| 05:27.57 | grendal_prime | and dir did work before |
| 05:28.02 | sheepbat | I don't think you can run as anything other than root |
| 05:28.06 | sheepbat | at least with opie |
| 05:28.10 | grendal_prime | hmmm |
| 05:28.25 | sheepbat | was this boot as something else? |
| 05:28.43 | grendal_prime | that seems kinda...well risky seeing as how im getting a wirless card for it |
| 05:28.49 | sheepbat | yes |
| 05:29.10 | sheepbat | I'm sure they're working on it |
| 05:29.23 | sheepbat | but, I believe that's how *all* zauruses initially came.. |
| 05:29.35 | grendal_prime | could you set up and use standard users with...say...gpe? |
| 05:29.39 | sheepbat | yes |
| 05:29.48 | grendal_prime | hmmm |
| 05:29.49 | sheepbat | I think it might be related to however it displays |
| 05:29.53 | sheepbat | gpe is plain x |
| 05:30.01 | grendal_prime | really |
| 05:30.05 | sheepbat | opie is some funky framebuffer thingy |
| 05:30.16 | grendal_prime | so anything that will run in x will run in gpe? |
| 05:30.19 | xiaowen | gpe is plain x? |
| 05:30.23 | sheepbat | yeah |
| 05:30.26 | grendal_prime | noshit |
| 05:30.28 | sheepbat | just with gnome as a window manager |
| 05:30.29 | grendal_prime | hu |
| 05:30.32 | sheepbat | have you tried it? |
| 05:30.38 | grendal_prime | no.. |
| 05:30.43 | grendal_prime | ive just seen pics of it |
| 05:30.46 | sheepbat | you get a little x-style cursor |
| 05:30.53 | sheepbat | I'm actually thinking of switching back right now.. |
| 05:30.58 | grendal_prime | i would prefer as close to kde as possible actually |
| 05:31.03 | sheepbat | embedded konq *really* sucks |
| 05:31.21 | sheepbat | hmm |
| 05:31.22 | grendal_prime | whaht are you using now? |
| 05:31.26 | sheepbat | yes, opie is qt based |
| 05:31.27 | xiaowen | Embedded mozilla (minimo) sucks too. |
| 05:31.29 | sheepbat | opie |
| 05:31.35 | sheepbat | embedded konq sucks worse |
| 05:31.49 | grendal_prime | well what does the gpe offer different? |
| 05:31.55 | xiaowen | Really? For me, minimo was not useable. |
| 05:32.05 | grendal_prime | as far as a browser |
| 05:32.16 | xiaowen | gpe has minimo. |
| 05:32.18 | sheepbat | you mean what does minimo offer different? |
| 05:32.18 | sheepbat | yeah |
| 05:32.23 | grendal_prime | you know what im really interested in is a the vnc client |
| 05:32.35 | sheepbat | I believe there's one for both |
| 05:32.50 | grendal_prime | hmm well i do not like the...root user bit |
| 05:32.56 | sheepbat | agreed |
| 05:32.56 | grendal_prime | it just bugs me |
| 05:33.14 | grendal_prime | ive never had a box rooted but umm well... |
| 05:33.23 | sheepbat | yes |
| 05:33.44 | xiaowen | I sort of see other things like lack of a useable browser as a lot more worrisome. |
| 05:33.51 | grendal_prime | the thing that bothers me more than anything is the fact that it makes....the possiblility of a hardware config error or blowout that much more likely |
| 05:34.21 | sheepbat | because of the whole direct access-iness |
| 05:34.31 | grendal_prime | ya |
| 05:34.43 | sheepbat | just remember: |
| 05:35.05 | sheepbat | there's this hidden keyboard config file |
| 05:35.10 | sheepbat | if you see it, delete it |
| 05:35.24 | sheepbat | there's a bug that will make the GUI fail to boot if it's there |
| 05:35.31 | sheepbat | I think it's .keyboardrc or something |
| 05:35.52 | grendal_prime | i mean ...here you are beating away on an irc chat ...and that will happen, and someone realizes your loged on as the root user |
| 05:35.55 | sheepbat | wait.. I think it was .keyconfigRC |
| 05:36.04 | sheepbat | yes.. |
| 05:36.28 | grendal_prime | well its just a bad place to be loged in as root |
| 05:37.10 | sheepbat | you mean an especially bad place |
| 05:37.46 | grendal_prime | that protocol is so bydirectional..there are a crapload of exploits for just that...someone sends you a script that takes and runs commands as the loged in user...like a format of the hda |
| 05:38.03 | sheepbat | ouch.. |
| 05:38.09 | sheepbat | I'm not too familiar with that sort of thing |
| 05:38.34 | grendal_prime | wammo you fkd faster than a millionare in vegas |
| 05:38.57 | grendal_prime | there are irc bots that just look for that sort of crap |
| 05:39.49 | grendal_prime | well how difficult would it be to...just change that without dinking around with reinstalling the kernel.. |
| 05:39.53 | xiaowen | crapload of exploits for what? sshd? |
| 05:40.18 | xiaowen | Or you mean for your IRC client? |
| 05:40.45 | grendal_prime | i mean basically just the different file on the flash for the gpe desktop and another hard reboot..with the cd keys |
| 05:40.59 | grendal_prime | irc client |
| 05:41.15 | xiaowen | For all IRC clients or just one that you use? |
| 05:41.20 | sheepbat | I'm not sure if that'd work, gp |
| 05:43.38 | grendal_prime | hey...im getting alot of suspend hangs |
| 05:43.45 | grendal_prime | getting one now ... |
| 05:43.51 | sheepbat | hmm.. |
| 05:43.56 | sheepbat | it might be the GUI only |
| 05:43.58 | grendal_prime | is this fixed with an update |
| 05:44.19 | sheepbat | well, 3.5.4RC does seem to be a little better about it |
| 05:44.47 | grendal_prime | ya but that is the 2.6 kernel right? |
| 05:45.18 | xiaowen | What's your hardware? |
| 05:45.48 | grendal_prime | 550 |
| 05:45.55 | xiaowen | 5500? |
| 05:46.11 | grendal_prime | ya |
| 05:46.20 | xiaowen | Is the 2.6 kernel out for it? |
| 05:46.28 | grendal_prime | collie |
| 05:46.39 | grendal_prime | well the 2.4.18 is what is on it now |
| 05:46.45 | sheepbat | hmm.. |
| 05:46.48 | xiaowen | Yup. |
| 05:46.52 | sheepbat | I believe there's *some* support.. |
| 05:47.00 | sheepbat | ..but not for the SD on the 5500 |
| 05:47.04 | xiaowen | No? |
| 05:47.06 | grendal_prime | im certain there are several updates alredy |
| 05:47.17 | grendal_prime | no on the sd..at least thats what i was told here last night |
| 05:47.21 | sheepbat | and, of course, I can't confurm.. |
| 05:47.28 | sheepbat | told by me :-P |
| 05:47.37 | xiaowen | I'm more than 50% sure it has SD support. |
| 05:47.49 | sheepbat | http://www.rpsys.net/openzaurus/ |
| 05:48.00 | sheepbat | wait.. that doesn't list 5500 support |
| 05:48.08 | sheepbat | http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~lenz/zaurus/ |
| 05:48.11 | sheepbat | that one does |
| 05:48.18 | grendal_prime | well i got a 512 meg sd here that...well need to use.. |
| 05:48.26 | sheepbat | yes |
| 05:48.29 | xiaowen | Oh, that does say missing SD ... |
| 05:48.32 | sheepbat | it's quite a pain |
| 05:48.38 | grendal_prime | hmmmm |
| 05:48.41 | grendal_prime | grrrrrrrr |
| 05:48.48 | sheepbat | they used some funky nonstandard chip |
| 05:48.52 | sheepbat | plus, sd costs money |
| 05:49.01 | xiaowen | Oh. |
| 05:49.03 | sheepbat | (I think) |
| 05:49.37 | grendal_prime | hey you mentioned that it might only be a front end crash...is there a key combo that will get me to a tty that i can...reboot the front end? |
| 05:49.58 | grendal_prime | compairable to a ctrl+alt +F2 |
| 05:50.10 | sheepbat | i'm not sure |
| 05:50.26 | sheepbat | ..although that particular key combo wouldn't get you anywhere.. |
| 05:50.36 | sheepbat | the default display console for opie is terminal 2 |
| 05:50.44 | grendal_prime | ya...it does on the standar linux distros |
| 05:50.46 | xiaowen | Have you ever heard of the scoop chip or scoop 2? |
| 05:50.52 | sheepbat | there *is* a menu that will take you to the others |
| 05:50.58 | sheepbat | ..but it's part of the start menu |
| 05:51.04 | grendal_prime | ya i knoticed that |
| 05:51.17 | grendal_prime | that was my next question..how do you get back to tty2 |
| 05:51.18 | sheepbat | unfortunately, I don't know if there are any other key combos |
| 05:51.23 | sheepbat | I don't know |
| 05:51.27 | sheepbat | but I'm guessing chvt |
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| 05:51.37 | grendal_prime | chvt? |
| 05:51.55 | grendal_prime | that is some sort of app? |
| 05:52.00 | sheepbat | yeah |
| 05:52.01 | xiaowen | Yes. |
| 05:52.03 | xiaowen | Hi alandd. |
| 05:52.07 | sheepbat | it's a command that switches consoles |
| 05:52.19 | xiaowen | change virtual terminal |
| 05:52.22 | grendal_prime | hmmm but if the front end crashes... |
| 05:52.24 | sheepbat | right |
| 05:52.26 | sheepbat | yes.. |
| 05:52.32 | alandd | xiaowen, hello |
| 05:52.40 | sheepbat | btw, ssh's config does not allow remote root login |
| 05:53.08 | grendal_prime | alandd, if the front end crashes...is there a keystroak that will get you a tty other than 2 |
| 05:53.39 | sheepbat | 5500, right? |
| 05:53.40 | grendal_prime | sheepbat, ya..im figering thats the problem i was having with fish...see this starts me thingking about several problems im gonna have with only haveing the root user available |
| 05:53.47 | grendal_prime | ya |
| 05:53.52 | xiaowen | fish? |
| 05:54.10 | grendal_prime | integrated ssh with kde desktop |
| 05:54.23 | grendal_prime | very nicely done |
| 05:55.07 | grendal_prime | works amazingly well...you couple it with scfs on a gateway and you can filebrowse anything on the network from the outside |
| 05:55.33 | sheepbat | hrm.. oesf.org isn't being particularly helpful.. |
| 05:55.46 | alandd | grendal_prime I believe there is siuch a keystroke but I don't remember them all. |
| 05:56.13 | sheepbat | it *might* be fn leftshift rightshift 1-9 |
| 05:56.18 | sheepbat | err.. 1-0 |
| 05:56.47 | grendal_prime | thanks...im kinda frustrated with the number of suspend errors this thing has...i mean its easy enough to just toggle the batter mode on the back..but...im not eactly sure what that is doing at this point |
| 05:57.05 | sheepbat | the battery toggle? |
| 05:57.09 | grendal_prime | im assuming its the same as unpluggin the thing |
| 05:57.12 | grendal_prime | ya |
| 05:57.13 | sheepbat | yeah |
| 05:57.17 | sheepbat | taking the battery out and such |
| 05:57.23 | alandd | Did you check zaurus user group wiki? They have a page of keystroke page. |
| 05:57.38 | grendal_prime | well i dont have to actually take the battery out..i just toggle it |
| 05:57.48 | grendal_prime | there is a wiki? |
| 05:57.52 | sheepbat | http://www.oesf.org/index.php?title=Zaurus_Keyboard_Keys |
| 05:57.55 | grendal_prime | and it works? |
| 05:57.56 | sheepbat | that's it |
| 05:59.28 | alandd | zaurus user group has a website, don't remember url. It is a wiki. keystrokes are linked in the faq. |
| 05:59.34 | xiaowen | What's the key for "|"? |
| 05:59.46 | sheepbat | I just gave it, alan |
| 06:00.21 | alandd | shift-space | |
| 06:00.37 | alandd | sheepbat |
| 06:00.37 | sheepbat | err.. yes, the page |
| 06:00.44 | grendal_prime | hmm nothing really applys on that site..well not to toggling the tty anyway |
| 06:00.46 | alandd | good. |
| 06:01.09 | xiaowen | Doesn't work in the console for me. -_- |
| 06:01.11 | alandd | I know I saw it somewhere... |
| 06:02.12 | alandd | really? What distro and desktop are you running? It works on this 5600 Opie |
| 06:02.45 | sheepbat | calendar may be ctrl and address may be left alt |
| 06:02.50 | sheepbat | http://www.oesf.org/index.php?title=Zaurus_Keyboard_Keys |
| 06:02.52 | xiaowen | It works on the console for you? |
| 06:02.52 | sheepbat | not sure though |
| 06:03.19 | alandd | xiaowen, checking |
| 06:03.32 | xiaowen | I'm running SL6000 with the newest distribution (I compiled it last night) and 2.6 kernel. |
| 06:03.56 | alandd | works in konsole |
| 06:04.03 | sheepbat | hmm.. that's different hardware.. |
| 06:04.07 | xiaowen | konsole or console? |
| 06:04.45 | alandd | konsole |
| 06:04.52 | xiaowen | So the thing in opie? |
| 06:05.32 | grendal_prime | hmm this faq on security recommends iptables...just not allowing anything inbound.. |
| 06:05.52 | grendal_prime | i mean unless its requested from the inside of course |
| 06:06.10 | grendal_prime | pretty standard stuff for iptables really |
| 06:06.45 | grendal_prime | Remote ssh access |
| 06:06.45 | grendal_prime | Ideas: |
| 06:06.45 | grendal_prime | Disable password-less access via ssh? |
| 06:06.45 | grendal_prime | Disable root login by sshd? |
| 06:06.45 | grendal_prime | Allow only key-pair authentication? |
| 06:07.59 | alandd | Opie is QT based so it has KDE apps, konsole is the KDE term app. |
| 06:08.28 | xiaowen | I mean can you do it in the console? I installed only the bootstrap image. |
| 06:08.29 | grendal_prime | yep |
| 06:09.32 | grendal_prime | sheepbat, you mentioned that it does not allow...ssh from root...i was able to ssh into the box from my debian machine..but when i tried to transfer files...it kept disconnecting |
| 06:09.52 | grendal_prime | that was using the fish utility. when i used scp it worked fine |
| 06:09.58 | grendal_prime | wich totally confuses me |
| 06:10.03 | alandd | oh. Don't know that. If i jump out to console, how do I get back? |
| 06:10.20 | xiaowen | chvt |
| 06:10.28 | sheepbat | hmm... |
| 06:10.33 | sheepbat | I wasn't able to, gp |
| 06:10.38 | alandd | chvt? |
| 06:10.48 | sheepbat | and I *know* there's a setting for it in ssh's config file |
| 06:10.51 | grendal_prime | i did knotice that there was a fish pkg right before the update whent south |
| 06:11.01 | grendal_prime | ok thats what i was wondering |
| 06:11.10 | grendal_prime | is it int he standard place..basically |
| 06:11.12 | xiaowen | Yes, you run that command followed by a number. |
| 06:11.28 | grendal_prime | etc dir im assuming |
| 06:11.38 | alandd | I'll try it. I hope I come back. |
| 06:11.50 | xiaowen | Hehe |
| 06:11.53 | grendal_prime | i need to find out if the bacup of my address book data worked first though |
| 06:11.54 | grendal_prime | hehehe |
| 06:14.06 | alandd | back! |
| 06:14.23 | sheepbat | I think I'm going to switch to gpe |
| 06:14.24 | grendal_prime | and why is it every time i try and stop a network interface i get a stopping interface faild error |
| 06:14.31 | xiaowen | Welcome back. |
| 06:14.48 | alandd | shift-space did not work. |
| 06:14.50 | grendal_prime | are there more prepackeged apps for it |
| 06:14.53 | xiaowen | Thank you. |
| 06:14.56 | sheepbat | I'd prefer something kde-based, and opie *is* designed for PDA usage.. |
| 06:15.01 | alandd | interesting... |
| 06:15.26 | sheepbat | ..but I need some level of browser capability too |
| 06:15.34 | xiaowen | WTF is a scoop chip? -_- |
| 06:15.44 | sheepbat | I believe I can do anything under either one |
| 06:15.50 | sheepbat | so.. here goes |
| 06:16.37 | alandd | scoop chip? Context? |
| 06:17.05 | alandd | computer chips or corn chips? |
| 06:17.14 | xiaowen | Computer chip. |
| 06:18.40 | xiaowen | It's something that's in the tosa. |
| 06:18.56 | alandd | what is a tosa? |
| 06:19.01 | xiaowen | I see it in arch/arm/mach-pxa/tosa.c in the 2.4 kernel source, but I can't find anything about it. |
| 06:19.08 | xiaowen | SL6000 is tosa. |
| 06:20.45 | xiaowen | There is this memory map in there. |
| 06:21.23 | xiaowen | At the beginning, they define the memory map for TC6393, don't know what that is either, then twice for SCOOP2, then Nor Flash. |
| 06:25.01 | alandd | google I just tried but browser crashed. |
| 06:25.11 | xiaowen | Hehe, thanks for trying. |
| 06:26.25 | xiaowen | http://www.openbsd.org/plus37.html <- for example, this page mentions scoop in the zaurus context. |
| 06:27.53 | xiaowen | http://lwn.net/Articles/155264/ <- mentions some patches from RP on SCOOP ... |
| 06:29.35 | sheepbat | time for a flash.. |
| 06:34.13 | alandd | Konquer does not like google/pda :( |
| 06:34.41 | alandd | not on a 5600 anyway. |
| 06:34.53 | sheepbat | konq doesn't like much at all |
| 06:36.00 | alandd | On my PC it does fine but on this zaurus, well, usually good. |
| 06:36.59 | sheepbat | yes |
| 06:37.03 | sheepbat | I mean konq embedded |
| 06:37.10 | sheepbat | konq regular is a fine browser |
| 06:37.14 | grendal_prime | and aparently there is only....what unstable...? |
| 06:37.30 | grendal_prime | I am correct in assuming that...i dont see any other alternatives here |
| 06:37.44 | sheepbat | yep |
| 06:38.32 | grendal_prime | hmm im having one bitch of a time getting this usb0 to route through the extra machine here |
| 06:38.37 | grendal_prime | its like..kinda there kinda not |
| 06:39.09 | grendal_prime | and now im getting an error about passive ftp? |
| 06:39.48 | grendal_prime | wget-passive ftp..im also unable to get to the openzaurus.org website..is that just me? |
| 06:40.20 | sheepbat | the site isn't too reliable |
| 06:40.32 | grendal_prime | Error establishing a database connection |
| 06:40.32 | grendal_prime | Too many connections |
| 06:40.42 | xiaowen | Yeah, I get that on a normal browser. |
| 06:40.44 | grendal_prime | ya..sounds like they are using MS server |
| 06:41.09 | grendal_prime | hehehe sql server 2000 and it locked up on them is what that looks like.. |
| 06:41.14 | grendal_prime | does it use asp pages? |
| 06:41.28 | xiaowen | It uses SQL server? How do you know? |
| 06:42.27 | grendal_prime | im half joking...half speculating on that..for some reason i was thinking i saw it was running asp pages which would mean iis which would more than likely mean ms sql server |
| 06:42.49 | xiaowen | OK. |
| 06:43.11 | grendal_prime | it would seem weird of all the sites out there thisone was running on ms servers..but hell ive seem that stupid ass server in some very unlikely places |
| 06:43.20 | xiaowen | Yup. |
| 06:45.48 | grendal_prime | ok where is the config file for the sshd ? |
| 06:46.01 | grendal_prime | it isnt in the ususual debian location |
| 06:46.56 | xiaowen | (usual or unusual? ;) |
| 06:47.06 | grendal_prime | usual.. |
| 06:47.29 | grendal_prime | its usually in the etc/ssh folder |
| 06:47.35 | grendal_prime | er...dir |
| 06:47.47 | grendal_prime | but..umm well i dont see it anywhere |
| 06:48.14 | grendal_prime | and is there a way to just pull down the entire ...shit ill use wget and just yank down all the pkgs |
| 06:49.01 | xiaowen | Can you just pull down the ssh package, unpack it, and look inside? |
| 06:53.45 | grendal_prime | me? |
| 06:53.48 | xiaowen | Yup. |
| 06:53.54 | grendal_prime | you need me to do that for you? |
| 06:54.02 | xiaowen | Uh, no ... |
| 06:54.11 | xiaowen | You were looking for the ssh configuration file? |
| 06:54.21 | xiaowen | I mean maybe you can see where it is by inspecting the package. |
| 06:54.21 | grendal_prime | you mean for me to figure out...ya well i dont know about that |
| 06:54.27 | grendal_prime | i thougth it was installed already |
| 06:54.37 | grendal_prime | are there man pages for any of this stuff? |
| 06:55.41 | xiaowen | Isn't the default ssh server dropbear? |
| 06:56.16 | grendal_prime | beats the hell out of me.. |
| 06:56.22 | xiaowen | So is there a config file named dropbear? |
| 06:56.23 | grendal_prime | usuaally it is sshd |
| 06:56.24 | grendal_prime | hehehe |
| 06:56.35 | xiaowen | Well, there's a PDA version of everything. -_- |
| 06:57.10 | xiaowen | Can you just do say a find -name *dropbear* ? |
| 06:58.09 | xiaowen | Well I have an /etc/dropbear directory, but no configuration file inside. |
| 06:58.14 | grendal_prime | i found the folder in the etc..but no config file..just an rsa_keyfile |
| 06:58.19 | xiaowen | Me too. |
| 07:01.07 | grendal_prime | well the data backup i did earlyer (before i bombed the os) worked just fine..pretty cool |
| 07:01.14 | xiaowen | Nice. |
| 07:01.21 | grendal_prime | ya thats always nice |
| 07:07.29 | grendal_prime | by the way im a little confused here |
| 07:07.42 | grendal_prime | on the filestructure of the ipkg system |
| 07:07.59 | grendal_prime | http://www.openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.1/feed/ |
| 07:08.11 | grendal_prime | seems to have several apps that i would want |
| 07:08.27 | grendal_prime | but the 3.5.1 ?? what is that? |
| 07:08.41 | xiaowen | A version number? |
| 07:08.54 | xiaowen | The current version is like 3.5.3 or something I think. |
| 07:09.27 | grendal_prime | the thing is running 3.5.3 im running |
| 07:09.44 | xiaowen | So use http://www.openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.3/feed/ instead. |
| 07:09.57 | grendal_prime | well thats what im wondering am i still able to run the 3.5.1 apps? |
| 07:10.05 | grendal_prime | cause there is not alot there for the 3.5.3 apps |
| 07:10.25 | xiaowen | You can compile it all yourself. |
| 07:11.58 | grendal_prime | nevermind i found the pkgs |
| 07:12.27 | grendal_prime | im gonna full down the entire frigging dir |
| 07:12.46 | xiaowen | You're writing C. How do you convert a string in hex to an actual number? |
| 07:13.49 | xiaowen | I'll just hard code it in for now. -_- |
| 07:20.26 | grendal_prime | hey anyone had any luck getting the calendar to actually hold the date? |
| 07:31.26 | grendal_prime | this is odd..there is just no way to sshd into this machine? |
| 07:32.10 | grendal_prime | ssh into it that is..i see no way to set a password for the root user..unless i can ...hey can you passwd at a console? |
| 07:34.12 | grendal_prime | you can... |
| 07:34.14 | grendal_prime | cool |
| 07:46.12 | grendal_prime | i think im installing doom |
| 07:46.13 | grendal_prime | hehehe |
| 07:46.16 | grendal_prime | prboom |
| 07:46.21 | grendal_prime | is that doom? |
| 07:46.29 | sheepbat | I believe so |
| 07:46.58 | grendal_prime | damn need sdl mixer and whatnot |
| 07:47.15 | grendal_prime | im having to...do this in a sort of scred up fashon |
| 07:47.27 | grendal_prime | cause i cant just log the thing onto the network |
| 07:47.37 | sheepbat | yes.. |
| 07:47.54 | sheepbat | the wifi card on mine *greatly* simplifies things |
| 07:48.06 | grendal_prime | i got one comming in the mail.. |
| 07:48.16 | sheepbat | what kind? |
| 07:48.22 | grendal_prime | it will be nice to just..whammo have that package manager deal with the dependencies |
| 07:48.29 | sheepbat | it is |
| 07:48.34 | sheepbat | ...assuming the server works |
| 07:48.54 | sheepbat | there are 2 mirrors though |
| 07:48.54 | grendal_prime | still..i wish i could figer out a way to just file browse from the thing |
| 07:48.57 | sheepbat | and they may work |
| 07:49.06 | sheepbat | other than the console? |
| 07:49.18 | grendal_prime | ya, are there any unoffical repositorys? |
| 07:49.30 | sheepbat | one is at oz.pdai.org |
| 07:49.35 | sheepbat | I forget where the other is though |
| 07:49.40 | sheepbat | might be henteges something |
| 07:59.31 | grendal_prime | i thing squashfs tools may get me what i need |
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| 14:20.22 | larry_cow | hello |
| 14:20.52 | larry_cow | whenever I try to ipkg update; ipkg upgrade my openzaurus (3.5.3/opie) system, it tells me that everything is up to date and that nothing is to be done |
| 14:20.58 | larry_cow | which I'm ok, unless it's wrong, which seems to be: it told me that kernel-image-2.4.18-rmk7-pxa3-embedix-r18 is up to date, but -r21 exists :/ |
| 14:21.14 | larry_cow | any idea? (yeah, I know, I just asked the same thing on #zaurus a few minutes ago) |
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| 15:03.47 | XorA|gone | larry_cow: you need to flash new kernels |
| 15:03.55 | larry_cow | ok |
| 15:04.12 | larry_cow | I shouldn't worry about ipkg upgrading, then? |
| 15:04.15 | XorA|gone | larry_cow: and it sounds like you have a feed missing as there should be updated -r21 modules |
| 15:04.44 | larry_cow | mmmh |
| 15:04.59 | larry_cow | what feed could it be? |
| 15:05.11 | larry_cow | src/gz upgrades http://openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.3/upgrades/ |
| 15:05.15 | larry_cow | src/gz upgradescollie http://openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.3/upgrades/collie/ |
| 15:05.17 | XorA|gone | larry_cow: check openzaurus.org it has instructions |
| 15:05.19 | larry_cow | src/gz base http://openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.3/feed/base/ |
| 15:05.23 | larry_cow | src/gz libs http://openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.3/feed/libs/ |
| 15:05.28 | larry_cow | src/gz console http://openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.3/feed/console/ |
| 15:05.31 | larry_cow | src/gz devel http://openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.3/feed/devel/ |
| 15:05.36 | larry_cow | src/gz opie http://openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.3/feed/opie/ |
| 15:05.36 | larry_cow | src/gz machine http://openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.3/feed/machine/collie/ |
| 15:05.36 | larry_cow | src/gz games http://openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.3/feed/games/ |
| 15:05.36 | larry_cow | I got all these |
| 15:05.39 | larry_cow | yeah, I followed them, and got stuck by not having the modules updated to -r21 |
| 15:05.43 | larry_cow | this is where my problem lies, actually :) |
| 15:07.32 | XorA|gone | the upgradescollie seems to be the right one |
| 15:09.31 | larry_cow | I added it after reading the openzaurus.org article, yeah |
| 15:09.45 | larry_cow | there is an -r21 package inside |
| 15:10.06 | larry_cow | but when I try to install the kernel-image-something-r21 from the upgradescollie feed (manually, I mean), I got an error |
| 15:10.09 | XorA|gone | not sure why ipkg hasnt picked it up then |
| 15:10.16 | larry_cow | not sure either :( |
| 15:10.39 | larry_cow | anyway, I will end by upgrading to 3.5.4RC, if I don't understand |
| 15:11.07 | XorA|gone | larry_cow: 3.5.4RC is a much better platform anyway |
| 15:11.54 | larry_cow | really? |
| 15:12.00 | larry_cow | but, I saw there is no feed yet for it |
| 15:12.06 | larry_cow | isn't it a problem? |
| 15:12.14 | larry_cow | or will it use the 3.5.3 feed as well? |
| 15:12.28 | sheepbat | it seems to use the 3.5.3 feed on my machine |
| 15:13.07 | larry_cow | cool |
| 15:13.12 | larry_cow | maybe I will try this, then |
| 15:13.32 | XorA|gone | anyway I have to dissapear again |
| 15:13.40 | larry_cow | ok, thanks anyway |
| 15:24.07 | *** join/#openzaurus _StarScream (n=am@84.93.137.130.plusnet.pte-ag1.dyn.plus.net) |
| 15:24.48 | _StarScream | hola` |
| 15:25.22 | sheepbat | halo |
| 15:27.30 | larry_cow | hola :) |
| 15:30.14 | _StarScream | any sl5500 users here ? |
| 15:30.35 | larry_cow | yup |
| 15:30.37 | larry_cow | (me) |
| 15:31.28 | _StarScream | cool, question... how do i upgrade this 3.5.3 so that it doesn't run out of memory ? |
| 15:31.37 | larry_cow | it does? |
| 15:32.02 | larry_cow | I'm in the process of flashing it to 3.5.4RC, but I hadn't any "out of memory" problem :/ |
| 15:32.16 | _StarScream | nah i when i run ipkg upgrade |
| 15:32.25 | _StarScream | there is 3.5.4 RC ? |
| 15:32.31 | larry_cow | there is |
| 15:32.40 | _StarScream | ooh |
| 15:32.46 | larry_cow | the flashing stuff is here: http://openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.4-RC/sl5000,sl5500/ |
| 15:33.00 | larry_cow | but I can't tell you yet if it's ok |
| 15:33.27 | _StarScream | ah k, let me know if it boots and works decently and i'll try it out |
| 15:33.28 | larry_cow | anyway, the OoM thing reminds me of one advice I read on forums: don't use ipkg upgrade when all the feeds are selected in your ipkg.conf |
| 15:33.33 | larry_cow | sure |
| 15:33.47 | larry_cow | at least, if it doesn't, you'll probably hear (read) about that :) |
| 15:34.07 | larry_cow | hope you don't have problem with rude language, in that cas |
| 15:34.08 | larry_cow | case |
| 15:34.52 | _StarScream | nope...i was one of those who had the press C to crash bug in r20 |
| 15:34.58 | _StarScream | so i know the feeling |
| 15:35.17 | _StarScream | esp since HRW's patches worked fine on his |
| 15:35.24 | larry_cow | oh |
| 15:35.31 | larry_cow | I'm a really recent user, actually |
| 15:35.56 | _StarScream | ah ok , |
| 15:36.10 | _StarScream | i just got a CF card for my Z so its back in action now |
| 15:36.17 | larry_cow | :) |
| 15:36.26 | larry_cow | openzaurus.org is still down :/ |
| 15:36.38 | larry_cow | _StarScream: do you use an SD as root FS? |
| 15:37.20 | _StarScream | larry_cow: no. I haven't gotten around to doing that. Tried the hentges rom which does that and it was fantastic, just not stable enough for me |
| 15:37.39 | larry_cow | I did it with the standard one |
| 15:37.53 | larry_cow | just used some script to move the root fs to an SD-based image file |
| 15:37.56 | larry_cow | works fine |
| 15:38.07 | _StarScream | how much effort was involved ? |
| 15:38.10 | larry_cow | but since OZ.org is down, I can't get my hand on the process |
| 15:38.12 | larry_cow | almost nothing |
| 15:38.18 | _StarScream | cool |
| 15:38.44 | larry_cow | in a couple of hours, I went through the process of migrating from sharp rom to OZ 3.5.3 and moving root to SD |
| 15:38.59 | _StarScream | which sharp rom were you using ? |
| 15:39.01 | larry_cow | and my hardware was new from the day before :) |
| 15:39.03 | larry_cow | dunno |
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| 15:39.10 | larry_cow | the one provided with it, that's all I know |
| 15:39.15 | _StarScream | new ? |
| 15:39.19 | _StarScream | sl5500 ? |
| 15:39.20 | larry_cow | well, bought |
| 15:39.28 | _StarScream | ah k |
| 15:39.30 | larry_cow | it's a refurbished one from ebat |
| 15:39.33 | larry_cow | ebay |
| 15:39.45 | larry_cow | but it's cheap, and I don't need newer hardware :) |
| 15:40.03 | larry_cow | (and it's still good looking, even when comparing to recent iPAQ) |
| 15:40.23 | _StarScream | yeh i got really frustrated for a while with the zaurus, but i can't actually find anything (at the moment) that i want to replace it with |
| 15:40.56 | larry_cow | well, I long wanted to buy one, but I only did it a few weeks ago |
| 15:41.20 | larry_cow | well, gotta go, I'll flash when OZ.org will be up again |
| 15:41.22 | larry_cow | see ya |
| 15:41.36 | _StarScream | catcha |
| 15:57.29 | zoid | what keys is it again to flash? (it's been about a year, heh) |
| 15:57.38 | sheepbat | OK |
| 15:57.49 | sheepbat | or D + something dependent on the model |
| 15:58.08 | zoid | 5500 |
| 15:58.13 | larry_cow | C+D + RESET on 5500 |
| 15:58.17 | sheepbat | hmm.. I think it's d and C |
| 15:58.18 | sheepbat | yeah |
| 15:58.56 | zoid | cool, thanks |
| 15:59.02 | larry_cow | gosh |
| 15:59.13 | larry_cow | it flashed, and now it doesn't turn on at all |
| 16:00.19 | larry_cow | oh yeah, it's back :) |
| 16:01.06 | larry_cow | I didn't remember first boot was so long :( |
| 16:01.34 | _StarScream | erm..the modules aren't buggered again are they ? |
| 16:01.43 | larry_cow | dunno |
| 16:03.27 | _StarScream | hmm wonder if i can get windows media player 10 working under wine |
| 16:03.49 | larry_cow | why would you want to? |
| 16:04.11 | larry_cow | err, I guess mplayer won't play dll-based wmv files |
| 16:04.22 | larry_cow | unless we have arm dlls ;) |
| 16:04.22 | sheepbat | eh? |
| 16:04.27 | sheepbat | oh.. yes.. |
| 16:04.32 | sheepbat | well.. |
| 16:04.42 | sheepbat | you *could* figure out some way to get ffmpeg to finish their stuff.. |
| 16:04.43 | sheepbat | ..or.. |
| 16:04.50 | _StarScream | larry_cow: my g/f has an iriver h10 which is tied to windows media player...its the bane of my life |
| 16:04.51 | larry_cow | anyway, wine on ARM would be a pain to setup, I guess |
| 16:04.53 | sheepbat | get VLC compiled with the VC-1 decoder |
| 16:05.05 | sheepbat | ew.. |
| 16:05.15 | sheepbat | ..um.. how are those tied to WiMP? |
| 16:05.18 | _StarScream | nah not on my Z :) |
| 16:05.29 | _StarScream | sheepbat: they use MTP for transfer |
| 16:05.31 | _StarScream | not UMS |
| 16:05.51 | larry_cow | sheepbat: there should be codecs for WMP10 compiled for ARM |
| 16:06.01 | larry_cow | maybe mplayer-arm could be helped to use them :) |
| 16:06.01 | sheepbat | ..where? |
| 16:06.12 | larry_cow | dunno, but it would be logical |
| 16:08.11 | sheepbat | hmm.. yes, it would |
| 16:08.16 | sheepbat | because of Windows CE |
| 16:08.25 | larry_cow | ooooh |
| 16:08.39 | larry_cow | 3.5.4RC booting, I thought I'd never manage to do it :) |
| 16:08.51 | _StarScream | w00t |
| 16:08.54 | sheepbat | most PocketPCs are arm-based |
| 16:09.06 | larry_cow | it's so good to see that little penguin/dragon/duck/whatever again ;) |
| 16:09.09 | larry_cow | sheepbat: yeah |
| 16:09.14 | larry_cow | many embedded devices are, actually |
| 16:09.18 | sheepbat | yeah |
| 16:09.22 | larry_cow | I guess my WRT router is, too |
| 16:09.26 | sheepbat | even my gameboy and DS |
| 16:11.00 | larry_cow | yeah :) |
| 16:11.54 | larry_cow | ok, now I just need to move my root to sd again |
| 16:11.57 | larry_cow | hurray |
| 16:12.05 | larry_cow | hope it will be ok :) |
| 16:12.33 | larry_cow | and then, reinstall everything |
| 16:13.04 | _StarScream | ah crap |
| 16:13.11 | _StarScream | too many connections on openzaurus.org |
| 16:13.29 | larry_cow | yup |
| 16:13.32 | larry_cow | since a few hours |
| 16:13.53 | sheepbat | try the mirrors? |
| 16:13.58 | sheepbat | oh wait.. 3.5.4rc... |
| 16:14.16 | larry_cow | there is mirrors? |
| 16:14.21 | sheepbat | yeah |
| 16:14.25 | sheepbat | but they don't have the RC |
| 16:14.27 | larry_cow | I used the "cache from google" mirror :) |
| 16:14.29 | sheepbat | just 3.5.3 |
| 16:14.29 | larry_cow | err |
| 16:14.38 | larry_cow | you can't even browse the feed? |
| 16:14.53 | sheepbat | huh? |
| 16:14.56 | larry_cow | or is it just the mysql part that is off? |
| 16:15.00 | larry_cow | http://openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.4-RC/ |
| 16:15.02 | larry_cow | this is working ok |
| 16:15.16 | larry_cow | as all of http://openzaurus.org/official/ actually |
| 16:16.20 | _StarScream | danke |
| 16:16.59 | larry_cow | bitte |
| 16:17.24 | sheepbat | dammit, I should know what "bitte" means.. |
| 16:17.35 | _StarScream | stalled at 5% this is gonna take a while |
| 16:17.39 | _StarScream | bitte = please |
| 16:17.58 | sheepbat | ahh.. yes |
| 16:19.21 | _StarScream | ich bin eina guppelsteifel ( i think thats how you spell it) |
| 16:19.27 | _StarScream | i am a gumboot |
| 16:19.41 | sheepbat | it's not "eine"? |
| 16:19.47 | _StarScream | probably |
| 16:19.55 | _StarScream | i can say more than i can spell :P |
| 16:19.59 | sheepbat | I know no german |
| 16:20.04 | sheepbat | so don't take my word for it either |
| 16:20.27 | _StarScream | i've been learning spanishfor 12 weeks, for my trip to barcelona |
| 16:20.46 | _StarScream | i'm glad they can speak english, my spanish didn't get me far :) |
| 16:21.03 | sheepbat | haha |
| 16:21.04 | _StarScream | at least i tried though.. |
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| 16:22.02 | _StarScream | saw a bunch of american tourists, yelling very slowly at a spanish lady in a market trying to make them selves understood. |
| 16:22.12 | sheepbat | <shakes head> |
| 16:22.24 | _StarScream | the funniest thing was that she had served us not 10 minutes before and spoke fluent english |
| 16:22.32 | larry_cow | =) |
| 16:22.35 | sheepbat | hahaha |
| 16:22.42 | _StarScream | and was helping me with my pronunciation |
| 16:22.46 | sheepbat | then she's just messing with them |
| 16:22.49 | sheepbat | and rightly so |
| 16:29.13 | larry_cow | mmmh |
| 16:29.22 | larry_cow | is there rboot for 3.5.4? |
| 16:29.30 | larry_cow | or should we use rboot 3.5.3? |
| 16:34.03 | zoid | hmm...can't decide on opie or gpe :/ |
| 16:34.10 | larry_cow | opie! :) |
| 16:34.27 | sheepbat | I'unno.. |
| 16:34.33 | larry_cow | well, I guess I should try gpe one day, but since I'm a kde fan, there is no real question for me :) |
| 16:34.36 | sheepbat | I switched to gpe last night |
| 16:34.43 | larry_cow | how is it? |
| 16:34.53 | sheepbat | it's not bad |
| 16:35.06 | zoid | sheepbat: does it have a package manager? |
| 16:35.13 | sheepbat | the same one |
| 16:35.15 | larry_cow | it should be nice to let us run X apps |
| 16:35.23 | sheepbat | well.. similar |
| 16:35.24 | larry_cow | but being able to run qtopia ones is cool too :) |
| 16:35.28 | sheepbat | it uses the same package system |
| 16:35.31 | zoid | ahh...i think last time i tried gpe i had issues with it (a long time ago though) |
| 16:35.37 | sheepbat | but the frontend is *slightly* different |
| 16:35.46 | sheepbat | close enough that you should have no trouble though |
| 16:35.54 | sheepbat | be sure to install matchbox |
| 16:38.05 | larry_cow | one day, I tried matchbox on my laptop |
| 16:38.18 | larry_cow | it's... quite unusual on a non-palmtop hardware :) |
| 16:39.20 | sheepbat | I'd bet |
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| 16:48.41 | zoid | ps ax |
| 16:48.41 | larry_cow | pivoting to root, ok |
| 16:48.42 | zoid | err |
| 16:48.43 | larry_cow | zoid: falied :) |
| 16:48.46 | larry_cow | failed |
| 16:48.49 | zoid | heh |
| 16:49.06 | larry_cow | mmmh |
| 16:49.23 | larry_cow | 3.5.4RC is cool, but I have IPV6 related errors now |
| 16:49.58 | larry_cow | when I "ntpdate ntp.myfavouritentpserver.org", I got "setsockopt() IPV6_V6ONLY failed: Protocol not available" |
| 16:50.00 | larry_cow | and time isn't updated |
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| 16:59.29 | _StarScream | i guess thats not the worst thing that could happen unless you use ipv6 alot |
| 16:59.54 | larry_cow | it wouldn't be a problem |
| 16:59.55 | sheepbat | it's a pain when the machine doesn't keep time |
| 17:00.01 | larry_cow | but it prevents me to use ntpdate |
| 17:00.04 | larry_cow | which IS a pain |
| 17:02.07 | larry_cow | but anyway, this release seems to work better, if I forget this little (but annoying) bug) |
| 17:02.43 | _StarScream | larry_cow: can you ntpdate with a nother server ? |
| 17:03.00 | larry_cow | I tried to servers |
| 17:03.03 | larry_cow | two |
| 17:03.05 | larry_cow | none worked |
| 17:03.36 | _StarScream | does it work if you just set it manually though > |
| 17:03.36 | _StarScream | ? |
| 17:03.49 | larry_cow | yeah |
| 17:03.53 | larry_cow | it's just a network problem |
| 17:04.00 | _StarScream | cool |
| 17:04.10 | larry_cow | I don't think so :) |
| 17:05.33 | _StarScream | well on a scale of 1 to the fing thing wont boot, it ranks as a minor irritation |
| 17:06.21 | _StarScream | i have to go and get dinner, but after that i shall re-flash with oz! |
| 17:06.41 | larry_cow | good dinner, then |
| 17:08.24 | _StarScream | larry_cow: did you manage to find that link for making Z run on root fs ? |
| 17:09.35 | larry_cow | yup |
| 17:09.39 | larry_cow | but I lost it, since |
| 17:10.02 | larry_cow | look for "root on sd", on google |
| 17:10.15 | larry_cow | "root on sd zaurus", even better, and without the quotes |
| 17:10.26 | larry_cow | and look for the cache version of the openzaurus.org page |
| 17:10.36 | _StarScream | k, thanks |
| 17:23.01 | sheepbat | hmm.. |
| 17:23.10 | sheepbat | just had trouble booting into my system |
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| 17:59.38 | mimecar | evening |
| 18:00.48 | _StarScream | hi mimecar |
| 18:00.59 | mimecar | hi _StarScream |
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| 19:23.14 | grendal_prime | hey...when i try and install an appliction and i tell it i want it installed to the sd card..i always get this error about linking.. |
| 19:24.28 | grendal_prime | and then...im sort of out of luck on any links to fire up the application. im sure i could do it from a konsole but im thinking more along the lines of if i get my wife one of these |
| 19:24.46 | sheepbat | hmm.. |
| 19:24.53 | sheepbat | could be because it's FAT formatted |
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| 19:25.18 | sheepbat | I'm fairly sure fat doesn't support symbolic links |
| 19:25.22 | sheepbat | (or hard links) |
| 19:25.26 | _StarScream | whoo hoo |
| 19:25.31 | sheepbat | hi scream |
| 19:25.50 | _StarScream | it werks! |
| 19:25.53 | grendal_prime | hmm well bummer |
| 19:26.05 | _StarScream | and better than 3.5.3 too! |
| 19:26.05 | grendal_prime | how would i go about changing the format on that card? |
| 19:26.29 | sheepbat | you never do a reformat on linux before? |
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| 19:27.21 | grendal_prime | no i have several times..i mean im just wondering if it is the same or if there is anything in general i should look out for |
| 19:27.54 | sheepbat | oh..hmm |
| 19:28.09 | sheepbat | I've heard of possible problems that SD cards have while formatting |
| 19:28.14 | sheepbat | you might want to google around for that first |
| 19:31.00 | _StarScream | are there packages like opera for OZ ? |
| 19:31.24 | _StarScream | or is there a web browser fore OZ |
| 19:31.33 | sheepbat | somewhere on the zaurususergroup forums, there's a package of opera |
| 19:31.43 | sheepbat | it's not easy to install, and i personally haven't gottent it to work |
| 19:31.54 | sheepbat | opie comes with embedded konqueror installed |
| 19:32.04 | sheepbat | and gpe comes with minimo (mozilla) installed |
| 19:32.37 | _StarScream | it comes with embedded konq ? |
| 19:32.40 | _StarScream | where aboots? |
| 19:33.27 | sheepbat | do you have it installed? |
| 19:34.05 | _StarScream | sheepbat: i have 3.5.4RC installed |
| 19:34.11 | sheepbat | okay |
| 19:34.15 | _StarScream | i thought you said it came with it ? |
| 19:34.19 | sheepbat | it's the program called "web browser" |
| 19:34.45 | _StarScream | yeh i don't have that...I have 5500 |
| 19:34.54 | _StarScream | have a* |
| 19:34.59 | sheepbat | should still be installed.. |
| 19:35.05 | sheepbat | it's part of the default package on mine |
| 19:35.17 | _StarScream | sheepbat: what is your model ? |
| 19:35.21 | sheepbat | c860 |
| 19:35.38 | _StarScream | yeh , i think that would be left out of this one because of space |
| 19:35.45 | sheepbat | hmm.. maybe |
| 19:35.56 | sheepbat | well, it'd be listed as.. well, lemme check |
| 19:36.33 | sheepbat | agh.. right.. |
| 19:36.36 | sheepbat | can't access the feed |
| 19:38.52 | sheepbat | well, I can't find out at the moment, but I know it's opie-someting |
| 19:40.15 | _StarScream | ipkg search opie ? |
| 19:40.46 | sheepbat | yeah |
| 19:40.59 | sheepbat | bbl |
| 19:41.10 | _StarScream | its not returning anything for me, is that cause of the feed ? |
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| 20:53.43 | ryoohki | hello |
| 20:57.03 | ryoohki | should i install qpe or opie? i want to run 2.6 with x11( firefox), and programs for sale for the original sharp rom at http://www.handango.com |
| 20:57.52 | _StarScream | ryoohki: neither |
| 20:58.11 | _StarScream | ryoohki: i don't think the handango.com packages are binary compatible |
| 20:58.44 | _StarScream | ryoohki: which zaurus do you have ? |
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| 21:07.08 | ryoohki | _StarScream, i have a sl-c760 |
| 21:07.22 | ryoohki | _StarScream, i really want to run 2.6 and firefox |
| 21:08.04 | _StarScream | ryoohki: firefox is quite large, and probably wont run on a PDA. What about mini-moz ? |
| 21:08.41 | ryoohki | _StarScream, isn't there a way to run programs writen for the sharp rom on another rom image? i was sure there was an opensource qtopia that would run handango softwares |
| 21:09.18 | ryoohki | _StarScream, i saw a screen grab showing it running - maybe on a sl-c3100 running openbsd |
| 21:09.23 | _StarScream | ryoohki: well probably not, as they use different versions of qte afaik |
| 21:09.31 | _StarScream | ryoohki: it was probably mini-moz |
| 21:09.58 | _StarScream | openzaurus uses a newer version of the qt libs than sharp does / did |
| 21:10.00 | _StarScream | i think |
| 21:10.12 | _StarScream | i'd just stick with the sharp rom for what you want |
| 21:16.06 | ryoohki | http://www.pdaxrom.org/screenshots.php?menuid=2. |
| 21:33.33 | _StarScream | ryoohki: rocking,i guess they have more memory than i remember |
| 21:34.43 | ryoohki | 64mb |
| 21:35.01 | ryoohki | some zauruses have been aftermarket upgraded to 128 mb ram |
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| 21:55.57 | ryoohki | how does one switch between vt's in oz? |
| 21:56.24 | ryoohki | i'm running 3.5.4-rc on a sl-c760 |
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| 22:07.43 | ryoohki | which keys need to be pressed to switch between vt's in oz? |
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| 22:31.11 | ryoohki | where is the feed for /3.5.4-rc? |
| 22:31.18 | hrw | nowhere |
| 22:31.25 | ryoohki | are we supposed to us 3.5.3? |
| 22:31.49 | hrw | basically images are provided to test does they work ok |
| 22:32.00 | ryoohki | hrw, how does one switch bewteen virtual terminals? |
| 22:32.06 | hrw | which machine? |
| 22:32.10 | ryoohki | sl-c760 |
| 22:32.24 | hrw | fn + left/right |
| 22:32.45 | ryoohki | ok |
| 22:33.42 | ryoohki | fn + left arrow / right arrow doesn't work |
| 22:33.56 | ryoohki | neither does up/down |
| 22:34.01 | hrw | not in opie |
| 22:34.08 | ryoohki | oh |
| 22:34.08 | hrw | opie takeover keyboard |
| 22:34.12 | ryoohki | ok |
| 22:34.24 | ryoohki | so it there a way to pop over to vt1? |
| 22:35.56 | hrw | you have vtapplet in o-menu for it |
| 22:40.12 | ryoohki | ok found it |
| 22:40.14 | ryoohki | thanks! |
| 22:40.21 | hrw | np |
| 22:40.31 | hrw | how you find 3.5.4-rc? |
| 22:43.38 | _StarScream | hrw: very good here! |
| 22:43.42 | _StarScream | hrw: hi :) |
| 22:43.53 | _StarScream | yeh just added it today, its very stable |
| 22:44.05 | _StarScream | wifi for me works flawlessly |
| 22:44.30 | _StarScream | haven't had a single crash, its nice and responsive, everything appears to work |
| 22:45.00 | hrw | ;) |
| 22:45.02 | _StarScream | just can't wait for the feeds |
| 22:45.03 | hrw | nice to hear |
| 22:45.06 | _StarScream | i am so happy |
| 22:45.29 | hrw | releasing 3.5.4 will take some time |
| 22:45.47 | hrw | still not decided which kernel use for cxx00 |
| 22:46.00 | ryoohki | is the control key mapped? |
| 22:46.04 | _StarScream | oh, this is on the 5500 btw |
| 22:46.36 | hrw | ryoohki: left japanese = ctrl, right=alt |
| 22:46.50 | ryoohki | "how you find 3.5.4-rc?" - have trouble with the sandisk wifi+128mb card |
| 22:46.52 | hrw | _StarScream: ah.. r22 kernel works? |
| 22:47.02 | hrw | ryoohki: install prism3-support |
| 22:47.42 | ryoohki | hrw, how is that done? |
| 22:47.43 | _StarScream | hrw: hell yer |
| 22:47.53 | _StarScream | hrw: best OZ kernel to date for me |
| 22:47.54 | ryoohki | i had it working fine until reboot, btw |
| 22:48.30 | ryoohki | the font sucks on opie-console |
| 22:48.32 | _StarScream | i am assuming its the r22 that ships with 3.5.4rc |
| 22:48.33 | hrw | ryoohki: hm. iirc should work out-of-box with that package (never used that card) |
| 22:48.38 | hrw | _StarScream: yep |
| 22:48.53 | _StarScream | hrw: thanks alot for your efforts on the collie |
| 22:49.00 | ryoohki | hrw, it was working out of the box and now it isn't |
| 22:50.11 | hrw | _StarScream: that apm fix is not mine |
| 22:51.07 | _StarScream | hrw: ah ok, i'm sure you have done alot of work on it in general though. It wasn't just the apm...i had lots of issues before. when the feeds come out i will actually be able to use the Z |
| 22:51.13 | _StarScream | i couldn't do that before |
| 22:51.22 | _StarScream | it just wasn't stable enough |
| 22:52.10 | _StarScream | anyhoo, have to go to sleep now, but just wanted to say thanks, and that it's working great for me |
| 22:52.12 | hrw | _StarScream: ;) I'm collie maintainer |
| 22:52.35 | hrw | _StarScream: 3.5.4 final will get more free / on collie |
| 22:52.41 | hrw | but some stuff will be removed |
| 22:54.37 | hrw | ipsec/openswan |
| 22:55.44 | _StarScream | ah ok, well i don't use it , that doesn't mean others don't but i guess you can put it on an sd card if you do. |
| 22:56.20 | _StarScream | anyway, i really have to go, but thanks alot for your hard work. I really appreciate it. |
| 22:56.34 | hrw | cu |
| 22:57.40 | hrw | ryoohki: font in opie-console: go into settings and change it. or remove ~/Settings/opie-console.conf (or ~/Settings/Konsole.conf) |
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| 23:00.52 | ryoohki | is there a ctrl alt delete? |
| 23:01.18 | hrw | to reboot Z? |
| 23:01.20 | hrw | no |
| 23:01.32 | ryoohki | hrw, i fixed the fonts to my liking now |
| 23:01.41 | ryoohki | default font unreadable |
| 23:01.56 | ryoohki | boy, takes a while reboot |
| 23:02.06 | hrw | thats problem if have old settings for opie-console |
| 23:02.09 | hrw | cannot fix |
| 23:02.18 | ryoohki | ok |
| 23:02.35 | ryoohki | probly delete on ~/Settings/opie-console.conf |
| 23:07.14 | hrw | user can have more settings there then just font.. |
| 23:07.24 | sheepbat | hey hrw |
| 23:07.41 | ryoohki | working once again -> must set "activate" on insert |
| 23:07.57 | hrw | ah.. that pcmcia applet |
| 23:08.00 | hrw | sheepbat: hi |
| 23:08.12 | hrw | ryoohki: I always forgot about that.. |
| 23:08.28 | hrw | I'm writing post for oz.org about 3.5.4-rc |
| 23:09.06 | sheepbat | cool |
| 23:12.56 | ryoohki | where is TZ set? |
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| 23:16.28 | hrw | http://openzaurus.org/wordpress/2005/11/05/354-release-candidate/ |
| 23:20.29 | mimecar | hrw is there a date for release ? or it will realease after bugtrack ? |
| 23:20.56 | hrw | mimecar: it will be in this year - thats sure |
| 23:21.14 | hrw | but when exactly.. hard to tell. we lack time and devels |
| 23:21.15 | mimecar | that sounds good :) |
| 23:22.02 | mimecar | do you know if "move to sd" script works ? |
| 23:22.12 | hrw | install altboot |
| 23:22.21 | mimecar | altboot ? |
| 23:22.53 | hrw | its root-on-sd done right |
| 23:22.58 | tanq | wahoo |
| 23:23.02 | tanq | hey hrw.. |
| 23:23.05 | mimecar | ok |
| 23:23.43 | hrw | http://www.hentges.net/misc/openzaurus/docs/altboot.shtml |
| 23:23.51 | tanq | has anyone claimed the 5600 touch screen issue yet? you know I think i'm going to set up oe tonight... |
| 23:24.29 | hrw | tanq: I dontknow |
| 23:24.52 | tanq | no biggie just wondering .. i mean afterall noone's getting paid.. hehe.. |
| 23:25.15 | tanq | ahh brb gotta take the kid outside |
| 23:25.23 | hrw | tanq: provide me 5600 and some time ;) |
| 23:25.29 | mimecar | I have sl-5500 only |
| 23:25.47 | tanq | heh.. hrw i'll trade for a cl 3100 |
| 23:30.13 | hrw | :) |
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| 23:37.50 | mimecar | hi guillermo_ |
| 23:38.11 | tanq | yeah i wish i had more time.. |
| 23:38.43 | tanq | i'm still trying to figure out how to cram my mba and mscse in |
| 23:39.05 | tanq | plus the family and workout time and sleep and work and and and |
| 23:39.17 | hrw | microsoft certified solitaire expert? |
| 23:39.42 | tanq | masters of science Computer science engineering |
| 23:40.01 | mimecar | cool |
| 23:40.48 | tanq | yeah i need it for where i work.. |
| 23:41.05 | hrw | I studied automatics & robotics and decided to not work on it |
| 23:41.25 | tanq | i have a BS in Mgmt information systems |
| 23:42.06 | hrw | I have problems with mapping BS etc to Polish notation |
| 23:42.15 | tanq | which is a business based degree; however, I have more technical knowledge than my degree goes into. |
| 23:42.28 | tanq | i'm actually more of a engr type. |
| 23:43.29 | hrw | I have MoS in Robotics/Automatics (looked into dictionary) |
| 23:44.13 | tanq | yeah i ended up being an embedded s/w engr. |
| 23:44.14 | tanq | heh |
| 23:44.20 | ryoohki | hrw, "microsoft certified solitaire expert" -> it's really "must consult someone experienced" |
| 23:44.44 | tanq | yeah i don't know what an mcse could do that I can't |
| 23:44.51 | tanq | i can read documentation... |
| 23:44.53 | tanq | heh |
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| 23:45.49 | tanq | if I can do it in n*x I can certainly do it in windows.. |
| 23:47.25 | hrw | I'm ms windows lamer |
| 23:47.45 | hrw | I can use it, even install it (if have LCD monitor) |
| 23:49.05 | ryoohki | certs are to show the employer that you've had a rounded intro to the system - no of this "i didn't know that one thing" a self taught person might miss |
| 23:49.41 | ryoohki | they can be confident you have the basics and vocabulary of the cert level down |
| 23:51.10 | ryoohki | self taught people aren't necessarily rounded - they may know a lot about certain areas and skip over areas that might bore them |
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| 23:52.12 | ryoohki | what's the diff between src and src/gz in /etc/ipkg.conf ? |
| 23:52.31 | hrw | second fetch Packages.gz not Packages |
| 23:52.38 | hari_seldon99 | Hi |
| 23:52.44 | mimecar | hi hari_seldon99 |
| 23:52.44 | hari_seldon99 | I'm using oz 3.5.3 |
| 23:52.57 | hari_seldon99 | Is konq-e compiled for flash plugin in os 3.5.3? |
| 23:52.59 | hrw | hari_seldon99: I'm not |
| 23:53.12 | hari_seldon99 | or in any oz? |
| 23:53.17 | hrw | hari_seldon99: ther is no flash in any zaurus available broser |
| 23:53.28 | hari_seldon99 | But konq-e's website says so |
| 23:53.56 | hrw | url? |
| 23:54.02 | hari_seldon99 | http://www.konqueror.org/embedded/#HowdoIrunFlashpluginswithKonquerorEmbedded |
| 23:54.38 | hari_seldon99 | you'll have to use that flag they say while compiling source. Was wondering if that was done for the prebuilt ipks of oz |
| 23:55.08 | ryoohki | hrw, is Packages.gz gaurunteed? |
| 23:55.21 | hrw | hari_seldon99: http://www.konqueror.org/embedded/#HowdoIrunFlashpluginswithKonquerorEmbedded |
| 23:55.24 | hrw | ops. |
| 23:55.43 | hrw | hari_seldon99: Flash3 and Flash4 only... which are so obsolete... |
| 23:55.45 | hari_seldon99 | ops? Sorry, my leet's rusty |
| 23:55.50 | hrw | ryoohki: in OZ yes. |
| 23:56.38 | hrw | hari_seldon99: and keep in mind that we use very old qt2 based konq/e - that page write about qt3/e based konq/e which is more up-to-date |
| 23:57.03 | hari_seldon99 | so it is enabled in OZ, so older more rudimentary flash should autoload or do I need to install a plugin? |
| 23:57.34 | hrw | hari_seldon99: it is not enabled (if atall available in such old ver) |
| 23:57.40 | hari_seldon99 | oh |
| 23:57.41 | hari_seldon99 | ok |
| 23:58.00 | hari_seldon99 | has anybody here compiled konq-e with that flash thingie flagged? |
| 23:59.22 | mimecar | no :( |