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| 00:27.24 | tanq | is there a way to encrypt your sd card the way you would encrypt your hard drive |
| 00:27.49 | tanq | i was at work one day and decided to pull my sd card out and lock it up in case i left my z on my desk... |
| 00:28.20 | tanq | although my z might be logged out someone can pull the sd or cf card and read the data |
| 00:28.39 | StarKruzr | I'm sure there is but hell if I know how |
| 00:28.46 | StarKruzr | no one in here seems to be available for help anymore. |
| 00:28.59 | tanq | yeah i know.. |
| 00:29.16 | tanq | its like development goes but most of the interface is through bugzilla.. |
| 00:29.30 | tanq | although hrw is on here about everyday |
| 00:30.00 | tanq | need help with anything? |
| 00:34.45 | StarKruzr | I seem to have trouble with ipkg |
| 00:35.04 | StarKruzr | whether I do it from the command line or through the opie package manager, installing packages hangs for some reason |
| 00:35.18 | StarKruzr | so far I've tried the GPE version and the Opie version and the same thing happened |
| 00:36.35 | tanq | what version of oz and what model z |
| 00:37.27 | StarKruzr | 3.5.3, SL-5500 |
| 00:37.48 | StarKruzr | so far I've confirmed that I can update the packages list okay |
| 00:37.53 | StarKruzr | and I can ssh into other machines |
| 00:37.58 | StarKruzr | so I don't *think* it's a network problem |
| 00:38.23 | StarKruzr | are the feeds wrong by default the way they were a while ago with 3.3? or maybe it was 3.5.1 |
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| 00:55.51 | tanq | yeah sorry i had to take the trash out.. i'll forget it in th emorning. |
| 00:56.01 | StarKruzr | heh |
| 00:56.18 | tanq | i don't have my z out right now.. but let me see if i can blindly do this.. |
| 00:56.29 | tanq | what are you entering on command line to try and install? |
| 00:57.13 | tanq | should be something like: |
| 00:58.08 | tanq | ipkg install <packagename> -force-depends -d <dest defined in ipkg.conf> |
| 00:58.37 | tanq | ipkg install opiemediaplayer2 -force-depends -d sd |
| 00:58.48 | tanq | where sd is defined as /mnt/card |
| 00:59.24 | StarKruzr | hm |
| 00:59.28 | tanq | then you would have to ipkg-link the sd |
| 00:59.34 | StarKruzr | well I just did ipkg upgrade |
| 00:59.46 | tanq | also.. |
| 01:00.03 | tanq | all of the files that have the feed locations listed.. make sure those paths are still valid |
| 01:00.12 | StarKruzr | how do I do that? |
| 01:00.19 | StarKruzr | just go to them with a browser? |
| 01:00.57 | tanq | yeah |
| 01:01.13 | StarKruzr | they seem to be valid, if only because I remember that when they weren't I would get 404 errors |
| 01:01.19 | StarKruzr | no 404 errors here |
| 01:01.23 | StarKruzr | it just sits and hangs on some packages |
| 01:01.26 | StarKruzr | for example |
| 01:01.47 | StarKruzr | it just downloaded and upgraded ipkg itself with no problem |
| 01:02.40 | StarKruzr | now it's stuck on the "downloading libqte2 on root from 2.3.10-r12 to 2.3.10-r14" |
| 01:03.18 | StarKruzr | I should be more specific. it seems to be hanging on the downloading stage |
| 01:03.23 | StarKruzr | but not failing, just hanging |
| 01:03.30 | StarKruzr | can you get to the feeds ok with no problem? |
| 01:05.45 | StarKruzr | so, I just downloaded the file it's been trying to get with no problem, from my desktop |
| 01:06.19 | StarKruzr | what is Ctrl-C on a 5500? |
| 01:06.31 | tanq | ok it probably isnt hung |
| 01:06.49 | tanq | try verbose with the commands |
| 01:07.59 | StarKruzr | okay. |
| 01:08.05 | StarKruzr | dropbear is the ssh server, huh |
| 01:08.18 | StarKruzr | (I've never actually shutdown'd it before |
| 01:09.17 | StarKruzr | what the hell? |
| 01:09.24 | StarKruzr | Starting Opie. . . . |
| 01:09.30 | StarKruzr | Bus error |
| 01:09.35 | StarKruzr | text mode login. |
| 01:18.27 | StarKruzr | ok, restarted and that stopped |
| 01:19.00 | StarKruzr | when you said this: "then you would have to ipkg-link the sd" |
| 01:19.04 | StarKruzr | what did you mean? |
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| 01:19.56 | StarKruzr | have I trashed my root? crap. is there some way I can paste these results to you? |
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| 01:55.52 | StarKruzr | can someone help me figure out what is supposed to be in root and what isn't? because this is what mine looks like straight from a fresh install: |
| 01:55.55 | StarKruzr | Filesystem 1k-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on |
| 01:55.58 | StarKruzr | /dev/mtdblock4 14464 13108 1356 91% / |
| 01:56.43 | StarKruzr | and just doing one ipkg update brings it to this: |
| 01:56.44 | StarKruzr | Filesystem 1k-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on |
| 01:56.44 | StarKruzr | /dev/mtdblock4 14464 13584 880 94% / |
| 02:01.23 | kakos | As far as I know, a reflash doesn't wipe out everything and start anew, so there is probably a lot of kruft hanging around that might be causing your problems |
| 02:09.49 | StarKruzr | wait, sorry |
| 02:09.52 | StarKruzr | *what*? |
| 02:10.09 | StarKruzr | isn't that the POINT of doing a reflash? |
| 02:10.33 | StarKruzr | a) how would you be able to wipe everything out if that's the case, and |
| 02:11.03 | StarKruzr | b) why would it be that the same amount is shown as "Used" every time I reflash? |
| 02:12.04 | StarKruzr | if it wasn't wiping stuff out wouldn't it eventually fail to flash? |
| 02:12.13 | StarKruzr | because it would fill up more and more as time went on |
| 02:29.48 | kakos | I'm guessing it just replaces the system files and such. I'm not sure. All I know is that when I reflash, there is a lot of stuff left behind like setings and such. The Cacko ROM image gives you a menu of options, one of which is to format the user partition, which seems to clear up any problems. After that, I reflash with OZ. Not sure if there is a better way or what. |
| 02:31.00 | StarKruzr | "Cacko?" |
| 02:32.13 | kakos | It's a variation on the Sharp ROM that comes with the Zaurus. http://my-zaurus.narod.ru/cacko.html |
| 02:32.25 | kakos | Like I said, there might be a better way to do it |
| 02:32.46 | kakos | I'm not sure what it is |
| 02:34.53 | StarKruzr | there doesn't appear to be a version of it for the SL-5500. |
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| 04:54.34 | sheepbat | hey grendal |
| 04:56.45 | grendal_prime | hey |
| 04:56.48 | grendal_prime | hows things? |
| 04:56.51 | sheepbat | meh |
| 04:56.55 | sheepbat | you have some time? |
| 04:56.59 | sheepbat | like.. a half hour? |
| 04:56.59 | grendal_prime | sure |
| 04:57.10 | grendal_prime | ...umm dont know about that but whats up? |
| 04:57.13 | sheepbat | http://randomfoo.net/oscon/2002/lessig/free.html |
| 04:57.20 | sheepbat | just something you should probably watch |
| 04:57.39 | sheepbat | and in case you don't know, this is who's talking |
| 04:57.40 | sheepbat | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Lessig |
| 05:03.11 | grendal_prime | basically....evangelist for opensource |
| 05:03.13 | grendal_prime | ? |
| 05:03.16 | sheepbat | yes |
| 05:03.46 | grendal_prime | well i can listen to it while i work |
| 05:03.54 | sheepbat | cool |
| 05:04.00 | sheepbat | most of the content is in the speech |
| 05:06.06 | grendal_prime | its all good..i mean i like the bit on disney |
| 05:06.09 | grendal_prime | heheh |
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| 05:07.21 | sheepbat | a lot of the later part of the speech focuses on what people have actually *done* to stop this |
| 05:07.29 | sheepbat | ..so I figure the least I can do is tell other people |
| 05:08.27 | grendal_prime | hey was it you that was telling me about a petter pim for opie that has integrated contact list? |
| 05:08.34 | sheepbat | eh? |
| 05:08.37 | sheepbat | nope |
| 05:10.37 | grendal_prime | hmm |
| 05:11.12 | grendal_prime | maybe it was ....hmm whats his name..they guy that explained the boot of root deal |
| 05:12.02 | StarKruzr | anyone here still alive? |
| 05:12.58 | StarKruzr | need some help with figuring out why my SL-5500's root is stuffed to 91% right after a fresh re-flash with 3.5.3 |
| 05:13.22 | sheepbat | it doesn't normally have that much? |
| 05:14.39 | grendal_prime | whats the image and the....os? |
| 05:15.02 | grendal_prime | you can fill that bad boy up to the top if you get the entire package along with the entire kernel |
| 05:15.19 | grendal_prime | its only 64 megs |
| 05:15.40 | grendal_prime | move it all to n sd...thats what i did |
| 05:16.00 | grendal_prime | i got 512 megs of ram to work with basically |
| 05:25.18 | grendal_prime | smart guy... |
| 05:25.23 | grendal_prime | i am doing something about it.. |
| 05:25.33 | StarKruzr | 3.5.3 |
| 05:25.45 | grendal_prime | i swithed over 30 of my computers over to linux |
| 05:25.47 | StarKruzr | wait a minute |
| 05:25.52 | StarKruzr | you asked me what OS it was? |
| 05:26.05 | grendal_prime | sorry talking something different StarKruzr |
| 05:26.06 | StarKruzr | it's OpenZaurus 3.5.3 on an SL-5500. |
| 05:26.10 | StarKruzr | oh, okay. |
| 05:26.28 | grendal_prime | sorry....ok StarKruzr did you install opie or gpe? |
| 05:26.40 | StarKruzr | opie. |
| 05:26.46 | StarKruzr | although, had the same problem with gpe. |
| 05:27.12 | grendal_prime | what image did you install? |
| 05:27.48 | StarKruzr | someone theorized that when you flash it actually doesn't wipe out the root flash and that cruft from previous installations might somehow be in there (with dereferenced inodes? hell if I know what he was talking about) |
| 05:27.54 | StarKruzr | you mean the ram-storage split? |
| 05:28.01 | StarKruzr | lemme see |
| 05:28.06 | grendal_prime | ya |
| 05:28.37 | grendal_prime | that bit about the inode sounds to me like.....well i dont see that happening |
| 05:28.52 | StarKruzr | that didn't make any sense to me. |
| 05:29.07 | StarKruzr | wiping out the filesystem and starting over kind of seems to me like the point of reflashing |
| 05:29.49 | sheepbat | that's right, kruzr |
| 05:29.52 | grendal_prime | ya...and its pretty straight forward....bammo....there aint nothing left |
| 05:30.00 | sheepbat | (about it not wiping out stuff from previous installs) |
| 05:30.06 | sheepbat | a reflash doesn't modify the partition split |
| 05:30.14 | StarKruzr | o_O |
| 05:30.14 | sheepbat | there's a split between the root partition and the user |
| 05:30.26 | sheepbat | and the stuff in the user split doesn't get erased |
| 05:30.30 | StarKruzr | but every time you reflash you have the potential to change the split between ram and storage. |
| 05:30.43 | StarKruzr | is there any way to wipe it out clean and start from scratch? |
| 05:30.48 | sheepbat | NAND flash |
| 05:31.14 | sheepbat | it's the best way, as that *will* change the root/user partition split to original |
| 05:31.15 | StarKruzr | okay, the last two times I rebooted, when it tried to start Opie it said "bus error" and left me in text mode. |
| 05:31.19 | StarKruzr | crap. |
| 05:31.37 | grendal_prime | ewww |
| 05:33.15 | grendal_prime | hey sheepbat i also stoped working on windows machines some time ago..after a ms rep tried explaining to me that even though i wrote a tracking application for the company i was working for at the time...that even the company didnt own it..technically it belonged to microsoft becuse i used there iis server and activex control creations suite to create it |
| 05:33.43 | sheepbat | sounds.. possible |
| 05:33.54 | sheepbat | Microsoft can have some *really* nasty licenses |
| 05:33.59 | StarKruzr | heh |
| 05:33.59 | grendal_prime | it was the most screwd up thing i had ever heard |
| 05:34.03 | StarKruzr | still nothing like Sony's :p |
| 05:34.08 | sheepbat | I'm not sure if it's there now.. |
| 05:34.39 | sheepbat | ..but the XP SP1 and Windows Media Player ones had this clause letting them install whatever they wanted on your system at their discretion |
| 05:35.48 | StarKruzr | what the hell does "Bus error" mean? |
| 05:36.07 | sheepbat | someone forgot to press the clutch while shifting |
| 05:36.21 | StarKruzr | heh |
| 05:36.32 | grendal_prime | well...it was pretty damn funny. Im 37 years old..ive been using computers since i was 10 (father worked for sulvania). I am 100% self taught. I was in a confference call with an ms lisc. rep and he was explaining (or trying to anyway) what we needed to buy to be 100% compliant. |
| 05:36.57 | grendal_prime | hehee |
| 05:37.19 | StarKruzr | christ. I really don't want to have a hardware problem on this thing right when I was going to eBay it |
| 05:37.57 | grendal_prime | well i got fed up..and i said.."well what if i decide to not do any of this and just rewire my application to work without the additional liscenses? |
| 05:38.08 | StarKruzr | heh |
| 05:38.12 | grendal_prime | he resoponded by saying..."We will pull your certification" |
| 05:38.15 | StarKruzr | MS doesn't like it when their customers say things like that |
| 05:38.48 | grendal_prime | everone in the room looked at each other..there were two other techs...certified..they started shaking there hands..like.."cut this off now" I looked at my boss and shruged |
| 05:38.59 | grendal_prime | "What certification?" |
| 05:39.27 | grendal_prime | You are not certified? |
| 05:39.38 | grendal_prime | Nope |
| 05:39.51 | grendal_prime | How do you justify your income? |
| 05:39.58 | grendal_prime | literally he asked that |
| 05:40.15 | StarKruzr | that's when you pull out your resume and point to the actual work experience |
| 05:40.19 | grendal_prime | my boss said.."well its pretty simple we give him the work...he gets it done..we pay him" |
| 05:40.43 | StarKruzr | what an amazingly arrogant ass. |
| 05:41.17 | StarKruzr | anyways. anyone have a clue as to how I can fix my root partition? |
| 05:43.07 | sheepbat | hmm.. a reformat's not part of the standard install... |
| 05:45.11 | StarKruzr | there's just so much crap in there. |
| 05:45.22 | StarKruzr | I would be okay with deleting stuff if I knew where to look. |
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| 07:30.52 | alan|home | morning ! |
| 07:50.57 | grendal_prime | im going to bed |
| 07:51.17 | grendal_prime | hey alan...was it you that was telling me about a much better pim app? |
| 07:51.31 | grendal_prime | one with ingetrated contact list? |
| 07:51.38 | grendal_prime | ko or somethign like that |
| 07:52.09 | grendal_prime | gnight all |
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| 09:55.52 | wibbit | Good morning All |
| 09:56.09 | wibbit | I've been trying to install OpenZaurus, and succeded once, but had a problem and want to re-do it. |
| 09:56.51 | wibbit | I am using an SD card, which worked originally, but after re-formating the card under linux (mkfs.vfat /dev/sdc1), the Zaurus, would appear to no longer acknowledge the card. |
| 09:59.10 | wibbit | Does any one have any idea's? |
| 09:59.40 | XorA | 5500 used to require the right kind of FAT |
| 10:00.00 | wibbit | That's what i was thinking the problem may be |
| 10:00.02 | wibbit | It is fat 16 |
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| 10:02.44 | XorA | I cant offhand remeber the arguments to pass to mkfs that were needed for 5500 |
| 10:02.57 | XorA | me not having owned one for a year now, memeory rots |
| 10:03.07 | wibbit | :o) |
| 10:03.12 | hrw|work | I also dont remember how formatted card I have |
| 10:03.28 | XorA | google can probably find it |
| 10:03.29 | hrw|work | mkfs.vfat -F16 /dev/sdc1 should work |
| 10:06.20 | alan|home | hi hrw|work |
| 10:07.01 | hrw|work | hi alan |
| 10:07.02 | wibbit | god I'm a spaz |
| 10:07.07 | wibbit | Didn't hav ethe power plugged in :) |
| 10:07.12 | hrw|work | ~dict spaz |
| 10:07.36 | hrw|work | collie can be flashed without AC - but you have to be sure that battery is full |
| 10:08.14 | wibbit | Not according to the zaurus |
| 10:08.29 | wibbit | It wasn't working, plugged the power in, and it started working (SL-C3000) |
| 10:08.33 | wibbit | (sptiz) |
| 10:08.46 | hrw|work | ah. newer models NEED ac connected |
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| 10:29.50 | wibbit | Does any one know if the power management for the SL-C3000 is working properly with the openzaurus 3.5.4 version? |
| 10:31.08 | hrw|work | you mean 3.5.4-rc? |
| 10:34.48 | obergix[work] | wibbit: dunno for the 3000, but for the 1000, apm --suspend works, at least... although no buttons supported sor suspending (or icons in GPE).... |
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| 10:36.05 | hrw|work | we have to decide does 3.5.4 will use 2.4 or 2.6 kernel on akita (1000) and borzoi (3100) |
| 10:38.13 | wibbit | obergix[work], hmmm, apm --suspend doesn't appear to work on the sl-c3000 |
| 10:39.01 | hrw|work | wibbit: c3000 with 2.6 kernel? |
| 10:39.05 | obergix[work] | wibbit: even as root ? |
| 10:39.15 | obergix[work] | wibbit: I tested with a 2.4 kernel |
| 10:41.42 | wibbit | not as root :o) |
| 10:41.59 | wibbit | as a normal user, it appears to crash |
| 10:42.01 | obergix[work] | wibbit: maybe that's why ? |
| 10:42.24 | wibbit | The light on the wireless card is still flashing awsay, but the interface is nonresponsive |
| 10:47.06 | wibbit | obergix[work], okay, I've just tried it as root and it does not appear to work. |
| 10:47.25 | wibbit | hrw|work, Yes, with the 2.6 kernel |
| 10:48.20 | obergix[work] | wibbit: ok, I'm using 2.4 |
| 10:49.57 | hrw|work | strange |
| 10:50.02 | hrw|work | wibbit: which kernel you use? |
| 10:50.51 | wibbit | hrw|work, 2.6.14-rc1 |
| 10:52.36 | hrw|work | wibbit: report bugs in OE bugtracker: http://bugs.openembedded.org/ |
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| 11:01.07 | wibbit | hrw|work, done |
| 11:19.42 | wibbit | Quick question, we have OpenZaurus, but we also have GPE, how do these things work together? |
| 11:20.00 | wibbit | Should I be looking to get updates for GPE directly from them, or from OpenZaurus? |
| 11:21.20 | XorA | wibbit: openzaurus/GPE has its feeds in same places as OZ/Opie |
| 11:23.55 | hrw|work | gpe and opie projects does not release packages |
| 11:24.08 | wibbit | XorA, that's the impression I got, as looking in the ipkg config files, it points to openzaurus, and not GPE. So, does openzaurus, publish a development build? |
| 11:24.33 | _law_ | koen, so this is only a problem with the .bb file? |
| 11:24.34 | wibbit | Similar to (if your familiar with fedora), the fedora base, and fedora dev repositories. |
| 11:24.37 | wibbit | If that makes sense? |
| 11:24.42 | XorA | wibbit: there is a 3.5.4-RC1 build somewhere |
| 11:24.54 | XorA | wibbit: but there is no official dev repo |
| 11:25.11 | wibbit | XorA, Yup, I'm running that build... |
| 11:25.14 | XorA | wibbit: I used to provide one for GPE but after HD crash I ran out of diskspace |
| 11:25.27 | hrw|work | wibbit: OZ repo can get over 0.5G so its hard to release such thing |
| 11:25.32 | XorA | wibbit: maybe if I feel generous Ill serve it from my company |
| 11:25.35 | wibbit | XorA, So, if I file bug reports with GPE, and they say "fixed in latest development package" how would I get that? |
| 11:25.50 | hrw|work | wibbit: usually we handle it via upgrades feed |
| 11:25.55 | XorA | wibbit: currently setup your own bb/oe build environment |
| 11:26.51 | wibbit | XorA, wouldn't even know where to start doing that :\ |
| 11:27.02 | XorA | next month I should be able to afford to replace my dead drive and have diskspace again |
| 11:27.25 | wibbit | XorA, I may have to wait untill you do that. |
| 11:27.33 | wibbit | XorA, I may be able to do some thing for you. |
| 11:29.23 | XorA | Im moving house in two weeks as well, so Ill be offline for 1.5 weeks while I wait for new ADSL connection |
| 11:30.28 | wibbit | That's exactly the position I'm in at the moment :) |
| 11:31.58 | lardman|work | wibbit: The confusion arises because the iPAQ lot (familiar as opposed to openzaurus) still use hard-float for their builds |
| 11:32.17 | lardman|work | (reading back over the last 5min or so) |
| 11:32.58 | lardman|work | wibbit: The last link which koen gave in #gpe - the sfeed one (note the s for soft-loat) should work for you |
| 11:33.12 | lardman|work | s/loat/float |
| 11:34.03 | wibbit | lardman|work, So from a development perspective, I may be better off replacing the gpe-feed.conf detail with koen's? |
| 11:38.04 | lardman|work | wibbit: There's no need to replace it, you could add koen's as an extra feed (create a new conf file - koen-sfeed.conf for example) and then ipkg will take the newest package it can find from both feeds |
| 11:39.22 | wibbit | lardman|work, That probably makes significantly more sense |
| 11:39.57 | lardman|work | and I've only had one coffee today - I think that may be a record. |
| 11:40.08 | lardman|work | (making sense in the morning ;) ) |
| 11:44.20 | XorA | christ upgrading win2k servers can take a lot of work |
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| 13:28.48 | obergix[work] | wibbit: to start building OZ/GPE : http://oe.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/GettingStarted |
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| 13:50.38 | wibbit | I'll try and have a look at that later |
| 13:51.02 | wibbit | I seem to have a problem on my system |
| 13:51.42 | wibbit | I was using GAIM, and it appeared to freeze, and I was unaware of how to kill the system, as such, i moved the battery cover lock on the bottom to the open position, and performed a hard reset |
| 13:52.08 | wibbit | Now, when I start up the SL-C3000, the login prompt (I assume that is what it is), is INCREDIBLY distorted. |
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| 14:26.57 | _gmg | hi |
| 14:31.46 | lardman|lunch | hi _gmg |
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| 15:14.19 | wibbit | lardman|work, I don't suppose you have any idea's? |
| 15:24.52 | lardman|work | about what? gaim? |
| 15:28.05 | lardman|work | do you have your Z connected to the web? can you pastebin those error messages, etc.? |
| 15:29.08 | wibbit | lardman|work, ahh no, scroll up a little I had another "issue" |
| 15:30.07 | lardman|work | ah, login prompt? |
| 15:30.23 | lardman|work | did you pull the battery out too? |
| 15:30.47 | lardman|work | If not I would do so (wait 10 sec) then reboot |
| 15:31.24 | lardman|work | FYI ctrl-alt-del will kill gpe-dm and drop you to the login screen for the next time something locks up (though I've never seen this before I must add) |
| 15:32.11 | wibbit | lardman|work, that's handy to know (I just re-installed), erm, which button is the alt button :o) |
| 15:32.30 | lardman|work | the two japanese buttons are ctrl & alt |
| 15:32.37 | lardman|work | near the fn button |
| 15:32.55 | lardman|work | bottom left hand corner |
| 15:33.26 | wibbit | So what is the CTRL button? |
| 15:33.36 | lardman|work | the left-most of the two |
| 15:33.50 | wibbit | no I mean, what is the button with "Ctrl" written on it |
| 15:33.54 | hrw|work | cxx00 has separate Ctrl key |
| 15:33.58 | lardman|work | Oh |
| 15:34.01 | lardman|work | no idea then |
| 15:34.04 | wibbit | :o) |
| 15:34.06 | wibbit | okie |
| 15:34.09 | wibbit | I'll play |
| 15:34.14 | lardman|work | perhaps that's mapped to ctrl - have a look in /etc/keymap* |
| 15:34.16 | hrw|work | Fn, Ctrl, JapL, JapR, Space (iirc) |
| 15:34.50 | lardman|work | What's JapL & JapR? Left & Right? Which one is mapped to Alt then? |
| 15:34.51 | wibbit | I have Fn, Ctrl, JapL, Japr, Hyphen, Space |
| 15:35.20 | hrw|work | ok - I dont remember (lack of cxx00 here ;) |
| 15:35.23 | kakos | Quick question for someone in the know: does the Belkin F8T020 Bluetooth Card work with OZ? |
| 15:35.35 | sheepbat | you mean "kana" and "half/full"? |
| 15:38.05 | hrw|work | sheepbat: for me they are JapLeft, JapRight as I never used them for something other then Ctrl/Alt |
| 15:38.12 | hrw|work | kakos: fast answer: should work |
| 15:38.29 | XorA | hrw|work: based on what? |
| 15:38.36 | lardman|work | wibbit: I think that means that what I said holds true, the two Jap keys are Ctrl & Alt |
| 15:38.53 | lardman|work | wibbit: Try them and see.... |
| 15:39.36 | kakos | hrw: When you say "should", in what cases would it not work? |
| 15:39.48 | kakos | Or is there some little caveat that makes you unsure |
| 15:39.56 | kakos | Or are you just being safe? |
| 15:40.01 | lardman|work | he doesn't have one...? |
| 15:40.01 | hrw|work | kakos: ops - I'm not sure now |
| 15:40.13 | hrw|work | checked my base and did not found it |
| 15:40.17 | XorA | hrw|work: only reports I find on zug say it dont work |
| 15:40.36 | XorA | hrw|work: they are dirt cheap in uk, but I dont want to waste money on non working card :-( |
| 15:40.56 | hrw|work | ok. so it is not supported then |
| 15:41.00 | kakos | http://www.oesf.org/index.php?title=Bluetooth_Card_Support |
| 15:41.13 | kakos | It's on here and listed as supported by BlueZ, but it sounded kind of iffy |
| 15:41.16 | kakos | Thanks. :) |
| 15:41.27 | hrw|work | bscp... hmm |
| 15:42.43 | kakos | Do you guys have any suggestion for easy to find BT cards that are known to work? |
| 15:43.45 | hrw|work | yes - avoid nokia dtl1, dtl4, socket rev E, socket rev F |
| 15:44.32 | kakos | Okay. |
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| 15:47.46 | kakos | I'm off |
| 15:47.49 | kakos | Bye everyone |
| 15:49.37 | lardman|work | Is there anything stopping that card from working then, other than someone with the card taking the time to work out how? |
| 15:49.41 | hrw|work | XorA: how much is 'dirt cheap'? |
| 15:50.03 | XorA | hrw|work: they were down to 10 GBP, but that batch seems to have disapeared from ebay |
| 15:50.05 | kakos | ~$20 USD |
| 15:50.25 | XorA | hrw|work: there is one available for 1.95, but with 14.95 of postage from US :-( |
| 15:50.53 | kakos | XorA: Link? |
| 15:51.07 | lardman|work | They're about £40 in the shops from the looks of things |
| 15:51.19 | hrw|work | XorA: I saw that one |
| 15:52.48 | lardman|work | quite cheap, don't know what chipset it uses tho: http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?rb=13070190559&action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X292ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=76086 |
| 15:53.38 | XorA | lardman|work: http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X292ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=80893 |
| 15:53.44 | XorA | lardman|work: http://tuxmobil.org/pcmcia_ci10515.html |
| 15:53.48 | XorA | that one apparently works |
| 15:54.01 | lardman|work | ah |
| 15:54.12 | hrw|work | work. need kernel patch (which we have in devel) |
| 15:54.23 | hrw|work | noodles has one of them |
| 15:54.32 | XorA | hrw|work: the one I just posted? |
| 15:55.15 | lardman|work | belkin in uk: http://www.mymemory.co.uk/memory/Belkin/Bluetooth/Compact/Flash/Adaptor |
| 15:55.22 | lardman|work | £18 |
| 15:55.53 | hrw|work | XorA: yes |
| 15:56.02 | XorA | hrw|work: I am going to order now then |
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| 15:57.06 | hrw|work | I have socket rev F - works (until suspend) |
| 15:57.16 | hrw|work | got it from lardman :) |
| 15:58.11 | lardman|work | I've got a socket rev A which has the same problem me thinks |
| 15:58.32 | lardman|work | haven't used it in a while tho |
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| 16:37.35 | wibbit | lardman|work, the two jap keys and <-BS work as CTRL + ALT + Delete |
| 16:38.43 | hrw|work | wibbit: does Ctrl works as Ctrl too? |
| 16:43.10 | lardman|work | wibbit: yes for me |
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| 17:10.34 | lardman|work | night all |
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| 17:48.37 | wibbit | hrw|work, it would appear to be some thing like this, Fn, Ctrl, JapL (Alt), JapR (Ctrl), Hyphen, Space |
| 17:48.44 | hrw|work | ok |
| 17:50.05 | mimecar | hi hrw|work |
| 17:50.14 | mimecar | it doesn't wotk for me :( |
| 17:50.15 | hrw|work | hi - i will go home in a minutes |
| 17:50.25 | mimecar | ok, we'll speak later |
| 17:50.30 | hrw|work | mimecar: ok - I will probably make new one tomorrow |
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| 17:54.09 | hrw|work | cu |
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| 18:05.34 | StarKruzr | can someone gimme some help with how to wipe out the contents of root? |
| 18:05.57 | mimecar_ | copy to another folder ? |
| 18:06.03 | grendal_prime | still pounding away at that are ya? |
| 18:06.07 | StarKruzr | copy *what* to another folder though? |
| 18:06.17 | StarKruzr | yeah I honestly have no idea how to fix this. |
| 18:06.19 | mimecar_ | contents of root ? |
| 18:06.19 | grendal_prime | mimecar, by the way the root from sd is working really nice |
| 18:06.39 | StarKruzr | I want to wipe it out, not save it. |
| 18:06.42 | StarKruzr | here |
| 18:06.42 | grendal_prime | mimecar..he aparently has some sort of partion weridout thing going on |
| 18:06.55 | mimecar_ | I had some problems with opie :( |
| 18:07.01 | grendal_prime | needs to basically lowlevel format the thing to factory specifics |
| 18:07.21 | mimecar_ | StarKruzr: root system is on internal flash or on sd ? |
| 18:07.22 | grendal_prime | mimecar_ not me man its screamming along just fine here |
| 18:07.34 | grendal_prime | he is on internal i believe |
| 18:07.50 | StarKruzr | guess what: it isn't just me |
| 18:07.55 | grendal_prime | hey mimecar again thanks for all the help...also you mentioned a pim that you prefer |
| 18:08.09 | mimecar_ | for opie, Ko/pi is interesting |
| 18:08.09 | StarKruzr | http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?s=dfd39e460b983be23972efa2a5d3e8a6&showtopic=16093 |
| 18:08.21 | grendal_prime | ko/pi |
| 18:08.31 | grendal_prime | hmm |
| 18:08.39 | StarKruzr | wow, this is terrific. the answer is, "yup, it's broken, suck it" |
| 18:09.16 | grendal_prime | keep it and just move the stuff to an sd card...screw the broken 64 megs of internal |
| 18:09.48 | StarKruzr | "just" move the stuff to an sd card |
| 18:09.49 | StarKruzr | heh |
| 18:09.56 | grendal_prime | speaking of wich mimecar i forgot about the fact that i have 64 megs of ram i could use there..how much of that can i wipe out? |
| 18:10.17 | grendal_prime | i just need the kernel and the bootloader scripts right? |
| 18:10.54 | mimecar_ | StarKruzr: that topic on oe is the problem ? |
| 18:11.51 | StarKruzr | yup |
| 18:12.03 | grendal_prime | mimecar, i get nothing when i search for ko/pi |
| 18:12.16 | mimecar_ | ipkg install kopi |
| 18:12.18 | mimecar_ | :P |
| 18:12.32 | grendal_prime | why the slash? |
| 18:12.47 | mimecar_ | StarKruzr: internal memory on zaurus is poor |
| 18:12.56 | StarKruzr | apparently. |
| 18:13.12 | StarKruzr | but apparently there has been a HUGE amount of bloat in OZ |
| 18:13.20 | StarKruzr | because I didn't have this problem in older versions of it |
| 18:13.30 | mimecar_ | you should not update and upgrade directly |
| 18:13.39 | mimecar_ | do you have a SD card ? |
| 18:13.41 | StarKruzr | define "directly" |
| 18:13.44 | StarKruzr | yeah |
| 18:14.00 | StarKruzr | a 32MB one |
| 18:14.08 | grendal_prime | mime is that the one that is installed by defaut? |
| 18:14.23 | mimecar_ | well |
| 18:14.29 | mimecar_ | you have different kernel images on zaurus |
| 18:14.32 | mimecar_ | for example 32-32 |
| 18:14.49 | mimecar_ | one of the numbers, is the RAM memory for programas |
| 18:14.51 | grendal_prime | i explained this to him last night. |
| 18:14.59 | grendal_prime | or i tried anyway |
| 18:15.03 | StarKruzr | if it's going to be broken from the outset someone should really make a note of the fact that flashing your Z to OZ 3.5.3 will make it unusable without putting root on an SD card. |
| 18:15.10 | mimecar_ | the other number is the "hard disk memory", ie, you can install programas on it |
| 18:15.22 | StarKruzr | I understand this. |
| 18:15.25 | mimecar_ | ok |
| 18:15.36 | mimecar_ | is you use 32-32, you won't have space problem |
| 18:15.45 | StarKruzr | incorrect. |
| 18:15.59 | mimecar_ | you'll have 32 MB |
| 18:16.11 | mimecar_ | if zaurus use that space and not internal flash |
| 18:16.15 | StarKruzr | you can't install anything at all because the changes that ipkg makes to its own database and the changes it makes to /etc fill up the *root* partition. |
| 18:16.27 | StarKruzr | and root lives on internal flash (14MB or whatever it is) |
| 18:16.33 | grendal_prime | are you sure you have the right image...because its easy to get a different one |
| 18:16.38 | StarKruzr | positive. |
| 18:16.43 | grendal_prime | when you rename it...ok just checking |
| 18:16.46 | mimecar_ | you can install programas on ram |
| 18:17.01 | mimecar_ | StarKruzr: all update information is store on flash (I think) |
| 18:17.14 | mimecar_ | you can create a link which points to SD or ram memory |
| 18:17.16 | StarKruzr | mimecar_: you sure can. however it still makes changes to /etc and updates its package database someplace in root rather than someplace in ram. |
| 18:17.23 | mimecar_ | then all the filles will go to the correct place |
| 18:17.29 | grendal_prime | it shouldnt |
| 18:17.31 | mimecar_ | ok |
| 18:17.40 | mimecar_ | the best thing for sl-5500 |
| 18:17.42 | mimecar_ | is move to sd |
| 18:17.45 | StarKruzr | right. |
| 18:17.50 | StarKruzr | someone should say that explicitly. |
| 18:17.55 | grendal_prime | ? |
| 18:17.56 | grendal_prime | dude |
| 18:18.00 | StarKruzr | it's nowhere in the wiki |
| 18:18.05 | StarKruzr | or in any other documentation |
| 18:18.05 | grendal_prime | what were you using before? |
| 18:18.12 | StarKruzr | OZ 3.2. |
| 18:18.26 | grendal_prime | and why are you not still using it? |
| 18:18.36 | StarKruzr | which had something like 8MB of space in root. |
| 18:18.41 | StarKruzr | because you can't get it anymore. |
| 18:18.55 | mimecar_ | StarKruzr: you have many programs installed on collie |
| 18:19.02 | mimecar_ | calendar, address, file manager.. |
| 18:19.09 | StarKruzr | mhm |
| 18:19.16 | mimecar_ | if you store all the program you'll get more size |
| 18:19.18 | grendal_prime | nobody is forcing you to use an opensource alt are they? |
| 18:19.51 | mimecar_ | StarKruzr: with move to sd script you can have 512 MB on zaurus for all your programs and dat |
| 18:20.03 | mimecar_ | and it's more secure vs errors |
| 18:20.06 | StarKruzr | grendal_prime: all I'm saying is that someone should make mention of the fact that you have to take extra steps to use OZ 3.5.3 on a 5500. |
| 18:20.17 | mimecar_ | that's true |
| 18:20.29 | StarKruzr | i.e. the installation directions should be changed. |
| 18:20.48 | mimecar_ | peopple should install programs on ram (not internal flash) |
| 18:21.03 | mimecar_ | wait |
| 18:21.04 | StarKruzr | mimecar_: of course. or SD |
| 18:21.28 | mimecar_ | http://openzaurus.org/wordpress/howto/root-on-sd/ |
| 18:21.35 | StarKruzr | excellent. |
| 18:21.39 | mimecar_ | you'll move FULL system to sd |
| 18:21.45 | StarKruzr | fine by me. |
| 18:21.56 | mimecar_ | you'll forget all problems with ipkg-link, space... |
| 18:22.09 | mimecar_ | you can use different roms with this system |
| 18:22.32 | mimecar_ | grendal_prime: did your wifi card work with wep encryptation ? |
| 18:22.35 | StarKruzr | by "different roms" you mean what exactly? |
| 18:23.01 | StarKruzr | also, I'd want to keep some portion of RAM aside for a tmpfs partition |
| 18:23.28 | mimecar_ | for example |
| 18:23.32 | mimecar_ | Opie and GPE |
| 18:23.58 | mimecar_ | on the same card, you can choose systen at boot |
| 18:24.17 | StarKruzr | ah. that would be nice. |
| 18:25.06 | mimecar_ | is not a dificult process |
| 18:25.19 | mimecar_ | but it should a good idea backup all your data first |
| 18:25.50 | StarKruzr | no data to back up :p |
| 18:25.55 | mimecar_ | xDD |
| 18:26.00 | mimecar_ | similar to grendal_prime :p |
| 18:26.19 | StarKruzr | I note that someone in the thread you linked me had the same problem I'm having |
| 18:26.27 | StarKruzr | "Charlie Wilkins" |
| 18:26.32 | mimecar_ | on the root-to-sd ? |
| 18:26.52 | StarKruzr | yes |
| 18:26.57 | StarKruzr | ok, TWO people now |
| 18:27.06 | mimecar_ | with the data he says |
| 18:27.12 | mimecar_ | process doesn't work |
| 18:27.21 | mimecar_ | after install you must see after df |
| 18:27.31 | mimecar_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:27.53 | mimecar_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:28.04 | mimecar_ | I must go out, I'll enter at 22:00 |
| 18:28.17 | mimecar_ | if you have some question, write it |
| 18:28.26 | grendal_prime | StarKruzr, it works ive done it with both opie and gpe and...also with two different kernels |
| 18:28.32 | mimecar_ | after reboot with the full ptovrdd |
| 18:28.37 | mimecar_ | process |
| 18:28.48 | mimecar_ | you must see /dev/loop0 |
| 18:28.54 | grendal_prime | biggest thing (and by the way mimecar...the problem i had was that i had not formated the sd card...do that first |
| 18:29.02 | grendal_prime | even if you know its formated corectly |
| 18:29.05 | grendal_prime | do it anyway |
| 18:29.15 | mimecar_ | no write (ipkg update)without that device |
| 18:29.28 | mimecar_ | see you later |
| 18:29.31 | StarKruzr | this is important stuff. |
| 18:29.50 | grendal_prime | you have working os now right? |
| 18:30.41 | StarKruzr | barely. |
| 18:30.43 | grendal_prime | ill be at a machine for the next 6 hours...need to do some web work so ill walk you through the entire process if ya want |
| 18:30.46 | StarKruzr | can't install anything |
| 18:30.50 | StarKruzr | but yeah, it works |
| 18:30.56 | grendal_prime | thats all you need |
| 18:30.59 | StarKruzr | ok. I'll be home much later |
| 18:31.03 | StarKruzr | gracias. |
| 18:31.23 | grendal_prime | ok first of all get the 3.5.4 zimage not the 3.5.3 |
| 18:31.27 | grendal_prime | ill give you address |
| 18:32.03 | grendal_prime | http://www.openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.4-RC/sl5000,sl5500/zImage-collie-32-32-20051030185511.bin |
| 18:32.57 | grendal_prime | ive been running that for 3 days now...it doesnt hang... the only thing that semms to give it fits is the prety opie-ipkge manager front end |
| 18:33.27 | grendal_prime | dude..this pim flat out rocks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 18:33.56 | grendal_prime | hey StarKruzr by the way i used my zaurus to restart our entire network here this morning |
| 18:34.07 | StarKruzr | heh |
| 18:34.14 | StarKruzr | awesome |
| 18:34.22 | grendal_prime | and..i have kpebble vnc i can remote int the desktops and run them hehehe |
| 18:34.53 | StarKruzr | a couple people have mentioned that Opie's package manager has a bad habit of crapping the bed |
| 18:35.16 | StarKruzr | but I guess you don't need it if you can just use ipkg and don't need to mess around with ipkg-link anymore |
| 18:35.35 | StarKruzr | ipkg takes care of dependency management and everything else by itself |
| 18:35.52 | StarKruzr | it would be nice if OZ had something like http://packages.ubuntu.com/ though |
| 18:36.05 | StarKruzr | ipkg search <string> is okay but not ideal |
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| 18:41.56 | grendal_prime | StarKruzr, i like dpkg..i havent messed with it on the zaurus but i build a shitload of debian systems |
| 18:42.11 | grendal_prime | and dpkg gives me less trouble than anything else |
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| 18:42.23 | grendal_prime | hey just a note..you have a linux box around anywhere? |
| 18:43.26 | grendal_prime | if not..a windows box with a vnc client on it? |
| 18:43.55 | grendal_prime | after you get this base install portion of this done, its much easyer if you install the fbvncserver and vncinto the box |
| 18:44.03 | grendal_prime | you can use a normal keyboard and mouse then |
| 18:44.18 | grendal_prime | saves a shitload of henpecking letters and especially numbers |
| 18:45.30 | grendal_prime | you get that zimage yet? |
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| 18:54.08 | grendal_prime | oky doke |
| 18:54.17 | grendal_prime | well if ya have problems past here |
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| 19:39.02 | grendal_prime | hmm the address book doesnt work in kopi?? |
| 19:39.05 | grendal_prime | makes no sence |
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| 20:28.13 | mimecar | hi |
| 20:32.11 | alan|home | hi mimecar |
| 20:32.20 | mimecar | hi alan|home |
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| 22:21.35 | obergix[home] | if anyone curious : http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=15689&view=findpost&p=103671 |
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| 22:39.52 | grendal_prime | hey im trying to install opie multimedia...i keep getting an error about wget ftp resonce something or another...and it just hangs the install |
| 22:40.03 | grendal_prime | anyone else having trouble? |
| 22:54.17 | mimecar | re grendal_prime |
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| 22:55.41 | mimecar | night all |
| 22:58.13 | grendal_prime | sure wish there was a way to kill off opie when this lockup thing happens |
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