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| 00:14.33 | NAbyss | Anyone know what the state of audio on the c3100 is? |
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| 00:43.03 | RP | NAbyss: It should work |
| 00:43.21 | RP | NAbyss: Have a look at oz.org - I've updated it with a C3100 page |
| 00:45.24 | NAbyss | RP: Yep, saw it... good stuff :) |
| 00:46.01 | NAbyss | RP: The driver appears to be there, and playback doesn't cause any issues.. but from my googling, I saw talk of having to enable the codec through /sys? Or is that old nwes? |
| 00:46.14 | RP | NAbyss: Thanks for what you did as it helped me work out what was needed for that page :) |
| 00:46.22 | RP | NAbyss: That's old news |
| 00:46.44 | RP | Turn the left and right mixers on in alsamixer ;-) |
| 00:47.42 | NAbyss | Yeah, I've been playing with alsamixer.. it's almost as bad as an emu10k1 :) |
| 00:51.50 | RP | :) |
| 00:55.36 | NAbyss | Ah, there it is... reminder to self.. don't use headphones when playing with volume.. bloody loud :) |
| 00:57.27 | RP | some of the screeches you could get whilst developing the sound code were interesting :) |
| 00:57.48 | NAbyss | Yeah, I'd imagine so :) |
| 01:09.22 | RP | I should get some sleep - 'night :) |
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| 07:15.04 | alan|home | morning |
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| 09:29.13 | XorA | morning |
| 09:30.47 | hrw|work | 3A |
| 09:30.48 | hrw|work | morning |
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| 09:32.45 | ButteBoy | Howdy! |
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| 09:42.16 | hrw|work | hi ButteBoy |
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| 10:13.22 | alan|xchat | hrw|work: i'm messing up OZ website with my how-to's translations... I think it would be a good idea to make english/french/italian subsection in how-to. |
| 10:14.15 | alan|xchat | plus if i'm brave enough to translate everything from your website, i think you'll have to find a way to integrate this a clean way... |
| 10:14.36 | alan|xchat | something like a link to the french version of each article... |
| 10:18.30 | hrw|work | subsections sounds nice |
| 10:18.52 | hrw|work | and translations of my material. hosted on my or oz.org? |
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| 10:21.40 | alan|xchat | hrw|work: translation from oz website first. i'll have a look at yours if i manage to end the job with OZ ^^ |
| 10:24.01 | hrw|work | HowTo English |
| 10:24.05 | hrw|work | HowTo French |
| 10:24.08 | hrw|work | HowTo Italian |
| 10:24.33 | alan|xchat | great |
| 10:32.11 | hrw|work | alan|xchat: splitted. you are marked as author of howto french section |
| 10:32.26 | alan|xchat | houla ! i got promoted ^^ |
| 10:33.23 | hrw|work | alan|xchat: feel free to decide do you want english titles in menu or french ones |
| 10:33.57 | alan|xchat | oki |
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| 11:26.47 | JiniDog | has anyone an idea how I can get the collie/poodle touchscreen working with X.org 7? |
| 11:27.39 | hrw|work | JiniDog: write tslib based driver? |
| 11:28.16 | JiniDog | I'm not capable of writing drivers |
| 11:30.51 | hrw|work | me too... |
| 11:31.02 | XorA | JiniDog: its probably not much of writing and more of teaching the existing ts driver to understand the slightly different format |
| 11:31.49 | JiniDog | that means porting the tslib driver from kdrive to xorg-7 |
| 11:32.12 | JiniDog | btw, when I start modular X it uses less than 1MB of RAM |
| 11:32.22 | JiniDog | that's better than kdrive, I'm surprised |
| 11:33.00 | JiniDog | around 800kb |
| 11:33.05 | hrw|work | nice |
| 11:33.18 | XorA | JiniDog: I thought Xorg already understood /dev/event/ts touchscreen types |
| 11:33.32 | JiniDog | with which input driver? |
| 11:34.02 | hrw|work | XorA: touchscreens are not standarized at kernel level iirc.. thats why tslib exist |
| 11:34.31 | JiniDog | additionally I still use the old 2.4.18 kernel |
| 11:34.34 | XorA | hrw|work: oh, that sucks, I was under impression thats what the input layer did |
| 11:35.42 | hrw|work | 2.4-crapix.. but there is no alternative for collie/poodle |
| 11:36.01 | JiniDog | that's why I use it |
| 11:36.34 | JiniDog | but Richard Purdie brings collie/poodle patches into mainline, someday I will test it |
| 11:37.51 | JiniDog | Kdrive always used several megabytes of RAM, the xorg-modular uses 800 kb for me; wouldn't that be a reason porting openzaurus to the more modern and still developed x.org? |
| 11:38.34 | XorA | JiniDog: thats is certainly worth investigating if those figures are right, why not start discussion on #gpe |
| 11:39.11 | XorA | JiniDog: its been a few years since I last fiddled with X internals apart from a quick hack for kdrive |
| 11:40.00 | hrw|work | iirc someone work on getting xorg in OE |
| 11:40.55 | JiniDog | well, bring in the topic. Xorg-7 works out of the box on my poodle, I just had the comment out some ioctl calls (similar as it is done in openembedded with kdrive) and have no mouse |
| 11:41.11 | hrw|work | http://www.handhelds.org/hypermail/oe/50/5090.html |
| 11:41.23 | JiniDog | Xfbdev works too, but it used more RAM than Xorg |
| 11:42.41 | XorA | is kdrive officially dead then? |
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| 11:43.01 | JiniDog | have you looked into the cvs? no changes since years |
| 11:43.34 | XorA | JiniDog: no, Ive not been investigating, since patching out the apm stuff, Ive not had time to look at X again |
| 11:47.24 | JiniDog | Is Detlef sometimes here in IRC? |
| 11:50.14 | hrw|work | I dont know |
| 11:50.35 | hrw|work | I also dont know which machine he target |
| 11:51.07 | JiniDog | Linux for PXA270 Colibri module: www.toradex.com/e/products.html |
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| 12:11.04 | RP | XorA, hrw|work: Touchscreens are strandardised under 2.6 kernels and tslib just handles conversion of the coords to the screen (with any translations needed) |
| 12:11.17 | hrw|work | ah.. didnt know |
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| 12:18.57 | XorA | RP: cheers for that |
| 12:19.43 | JiniDog | uii, the ImPS/2 driver works |
| 12:19.51 | JiniDog | but the coords are wrong |
| 12:20.19 | JiniDog | at least the X is moving when I touch the screen |
| 12:23.11 | hrw|work | you need to calibrate it |
| 12:23.59 | XorA | RP: is the LED in the 2.6.15-rcX kernels showing disk activity? |
| 12:24.14 | RP | XorA: yes |
| 12:24.19 | hrw|work | XorA: green led is 'nand-disk' by default |
| 12:24.38 | XorA | that is quite cool |
| 12:24.56 | JiniDog | I don't think that xorg uses tslib |
| 12:29.51 | XorA | has anyone used g-ether on 2.6.15-rc7 for c7x0? |
| 12:31.34 | JiniDog | in which file does tslib save it's calibrate data? |
| 12:33.16 | hrw|work | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:33.22 | hrw|work | XorA: I did |
| 12:33.36 | XorA | hrw|work: and it worked? |
| 12:33.46 | hrw|work | XorA: worked with linux |
| 12:33.54 | XorA | NETDEV WATCHDOG: usb0: transmit timed out |
| 12:34.00 | XorA | is what I get in linux |
| 12:34.37 | hrw|work | hm.. so how I upgraded to 2.6.15... |
| 12:34.51 | hrw|work | XorA: ignore me then - it does not work in my 2.6.15 |
| 12:35.01 | RP | XorA: remove the usb*rndis patch |
| 12:35.42 | XorA | RP: heh heh no probs, Ill do that when xorg fails to compile |
| 12:37.06 | JiniDog | any chance to calibrate X without tslib? |
| 12:42.57 | hrw|work | JiniDog: for which touchscreen device? each one could have it in other way under 2.4 |
| 12:43.25 | JiniDog | for collie/poodle |
| 12:43.50 | hrw|work | I wanted to say 'use tslib' in other words |
| 12:45.13 | JiniDog | xorg-7 does not use it, in the whole sourcecode there is no word tslib |
| 12:45.59 | XorA | JiniDog: from a quick google you seem to be able to manually put in the offsets to the TS drivers that xorg does support |
| 12:46.36 | JiniDog | that I searched for |
| 12:47.38 | JiniDog | ahm, for what keywords did you search? |
| 12:48.01 | XorA | http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/t51223-microtouch-and-xorg.html |
| 12:48.11 | XorA | xorg touchscreen calibrate |
| 12:58.15 | JiniDog | hmm, I try the microtouch driver |
| 12:59.57 | XorA | JiniDog: can you code? |
| 13:00.34 | JiniDog | not good in C and nothing driver-like |
| 13:01.00 | XorA | JiniDog: you dont need to be good, and X drivers are a doddle, find one that is like what you want, and fiddle with it until it works |
| 13:01.21 | XorA | JiniDog: then all you need is to fiddle a couple of Makefiles to include it in build |
| 13:02.02 | XorA | JiniDog: dont be scared by word driver, X is all userspace and debugable with gdb :-) |
| 13:02.30 | XorA | though last time I ran gdb there were 750M of symbols in X :-) |
| 13:02.51 | NAbyss | 750M? What a monstrosity.. |
| 13:03.31 | JiniDog | I already looked into tslib and the xf86-inpu-mouse driver; problem is that I have to learn several APIs, the one from Xorg and I need to handle the inputs from the touchscreen |
| 13:04.24 | JiniDog | cat /dev/ts <- lol |
| 13:04.44 | hrw|work | I prefer ts_print(_raw) |
| 13:07.25 | JiniDog | of course |
| 13:12.27 | XorA | RP: Iremoved usb-rndis patch and its still broken so I assume it wasnt you. |
| 13:13.00 | XorA | RP: disregard that for a few mins |
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| 13:19.45 | XorA | RP: nope, even with right module loaded is defineately broken |
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| 13:29.47 | RP | XorA: Somone, perhaps law told me that fixed it... |
| 13:31.18 | XorA | RP: hmm, maybe I screwed up somewhere, Ill have to retry |
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| 13:35.17 | linnuxxy | anyone have experiance with boa embedded server? |
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| 13:41.39 | RP | XorA: You did reload g_ether and not pxa2xx_udc? |
| 13:44.28 | XorA | RP: yes |
| 13:44.48 | XorA | RP: didnt know there was a module pxa2xx_udc |
| 13:45.21 | RP | XorA: Ah, it might be build into the kernel for c7x0 |
| 13:45.43 | RP | pxa27x_udc isn't on the cxx00 which confuses me :) |
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| 14:10.18 | XorA | RP: it works now, needed pull cable out |
| 14:13.29 | RP | XorA: Ah :) |
| 14:14.13 | `pwgen` | Hello |
| 14:14.24 | RP | hi `pwgen` |
| 14:14.31 | NAbyss | RP: Is usbnet working in the current 2.6 kernels? |
| 14:14.56 | RP | NAbyss: for cxx00? it should do now, yes |
| 14:15.02 | NAbyss | RP: Yeah, 3100 |
| 14:15.22 | NAbyss | I'm following instructions as per <http://openzaurus.org/wordpress/howto/usb-networking/>.. nothing comes up for lsusb |
| 14:16.21 | `pwgen` | I try to build oe on an new ( debian based ) machine, but glibc fails with #error Machine byte order unknown error ... can anone help ? |
| 14:16.55 | NAbyss | `pwgen`: Yeah, you need a patch for glibc |
| 14:16.58 | NAbyss | Let me dig up the url |
| 14:17.26 | RP | NAbyss: That howto looks suspect. modprobe g_ether on the Z, modprobe usbnet on the dekstop, connect them, configure the usb0 netwokr interface on both |
| 14:17.47 | RP | `pwgen`: Yes, your gblic download is corrupt |
| 14:17.58 | RP | see my recent checkin to the .dev branch on how to "fix" it |
| 14:18.00 | hrw|work | RP: many, many users will load 'usbnet' on Z and expect it working probably |
| 14:18.28 | `pwgen` | i have found that mentioned on gmame ... but what can i do to fix that prob ? |
| 14:18.30 | RP | hrw|work: Perharp we should modprobe g_ether by deafult then... |
| 14:18.54 | RP | `pwgen`: Delete the files in the bits directory iirc |
| 14:19.22 | RP | hrw|work: Or add a note to that howto about loading g_ether? |
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| 14:19.39 | XorA | in gpe (when the app actually works) there is an app to configure usb mode |
| 14:19.43 | hrw|work | RP: rather add to howto |
| 14:19.54 | hrw|work | XorA: for opie I have ugly script for this |
| 14:19.59 | RP | XorA: An app for these things would also be nice... |
| 14:20.06 | XorA | RP: its in gpe-conf |
| 14:20.36 | hrw|work | we need something which will tell does it has 2.4 or 2.6 kernel |
| 14:21.09 | RP | hrw|work: in the howto? |
| 14:21.54 | hrw|work | in OE we need something which will tell does it has 2.4 or 2.6 kernel so we could install some stuff depending on it |
| 14:22.15 | RP | hrw|work: Look at zaurus-clamshell - add the packages there |
| 14:22.33 | RP | admittedly this is bootstrap though :-/ |
| 14:22.35 | `pwgen` | RP: ? i can delete the whole oetmp dir without success nothing helps ...(:-(( |
| 14:23.46 | RP | hrw|work: You could have the machines add something to the OPIE meta depends as per the bootstrap method |
| 14:24.02 | RP | if there was then a 2.6 opie meta target... |
| 14:24.38 | hrw|work | RP: I would prefer to add one thing for all 2.6 machines instead of adding all 2.6 machines for one thing |
| 14:25.14 | NAbyss | RP: Should I see anything in lsusb on the desktop? |
| 14:25.33 | hrw|work | IPKG_INSTALL_linux26 += "opie-sh-usb-control" instead of IPKG_INSTALL_(c7x0|cxx00|h2200|other2|other3) += ... |
| 14:26.20 | RP | hrw|work: I know what you mean. Perhaps you can check the kernel version that was compiled - I think some variables are created... |
| 14:27.08 | RP | `pwgen`: http://zoo.weinigel.se/n30/downloads/glibc.patch |
| 14:27.32 | RP | NAbyss: It will show up in lsusb on the desktop but only is its loaded on the Zaurus |
| 14:27.51 | hrw|work | RP: KERNEL_MAJOR_VERSION iirc but it is not override var |
| 14:28.15 | RP | hrw|work: So we need some python code to make a decision based on it |
| 14:28.31 | RP | We're never going to have an override variable and need to find another way |
| 14:28.57 | hrw|work | anyway my opie-sh-usb-control is not in OE |
| 14:29.25 | RP | We could also use an interface to the LEDs class in opie/gpe :) |
| 14:30.00 | hrw|work | RP: and many other things... |
| 14:30.53 | hrw|work | heh.. |
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| 14:37.14 | NAbyss | RP: It's not showing anything at all.. g_ether's loaded on the Z, and I've ifconfig'ed it on the Z.. but the desktop's not seeing anything. I've got cdc_subnet and usbnet manually modprobe'd |
| 14:39.56 | hrw|work | 2.6.15-rc7 on Z? |
| 14:39.56 | RP | NAbyss: Which machine have you got? |
| 14:40.21 | hrw|work | Bus 002 Device 062: ID 0525:a4a2 Netchip Technology, Inc. Linux-USB Ethernet/RNDIS Gadget |
| 14:40.30 | hrw|work | this is Z from desktop view |
| 14:40.46 | RP | NAbyss: Is this a cxx00? |
| 14:40.53 | RP | or a c7x0? |
| 14:41.46 | NAbyss | RP: c3100 running 2.6.14, desktop running 2.6.14 |
| 14:42.04 | hrw|work | 2.6.14-git3? |
| 14:42.07 | RP | NAbyss: Load cdc-ether on the desktop then. Nobody said it used cdc-subset... |
| 14:42.11 | NAbyss | 2.6.15-rc5, sorry |
| 14:42.18 | NAbyss | 2.6.15-rc5 on the c3100, sorry |
| 14:42.28 | RP | -rc5 isn't going to work. You need -rc7 |
| 14:42.38 | NAbyss | Ah, crap. |
| 14:43.18 | NAbyss | I'll give that a go |
| 14:43.49 | `pwgen` | RP: how can i get rc7 ? after monotone-pull and update its allways rc2 |
| 14:44.09 | RP | `pwgen`: the branch or .dev? |
| 14:44.13 | `pwgen` | .dev |
| 14:44.20 | RP | .dev contains -rc7 |
| 14:44.26 | `pwgen` | org.openemdedd.dev |
| 14:44.37 | `pwgen` | ? does my pull fail ?? |
| 14:45.05 | RP | I have no idea. The current version in .dev is -rc7 though |
| 14:45.45 | `pwgen` | hmm i try it at home with a clean new setup . |
| 14:49.44 | hrw|work | heh.. 2.6.15 on Z, 2.6.15-rc5 on desktop and Z/usb-storage works but Z/usb-net does not |
| 14:50.56 | XorA | hrw|work: -rc7? |
| 14:51.04 | hrw|work | XorA: 2.6.15-final on Z |
| 14:53.28 | RP | hrw|work: I'll be that peky rndis patch. I'd remove it I need to check it doesn't break the cxx00's |
| 14:53.35 | RP | s/peky/pesky/ |
| 14:54.10 | hrw|work | ok |
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