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08:44.05*** topic/#openzaurus is OpenZaurus user discussion/support channel | developer discussion in #oe | http://openzaurus.org/ | Don't ask to ask, just ask. | OZ 3.5.3 -> http://openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.3/ | Report OZ bugs at http://bugs.openembedded.org/ l/p: guest/guest
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09:01.24alan|laptopgood morning gentlemen
09:01.32XorAhey alan|laptop
09:01.48alan|laptopyop XorA
09:03.30alan|laptopi have troubles with mplayer-atty those days... looks like it is always requiring a opie installation, even when built frem a gpe feed...
09:05.39XorAalan|laptop: you forget to set PREFERRED_PROVIDER_virtual/libsdl = "libsdl-x11"
09:05.45XorAin local.conf
09:06.02XorAby default bitbake finds the libsdl-qte version first
09:06.10alan|laptophaaaaaaa
09:06.23alan|laptopoki
09:06.24purlerror: you do not have enough flags for that. (o required)
09:06.34alan|laptopthanks a lot XorA
09:06.48XorA:-D thats a faq about every 5 mins on #gpe
09:06.58alan|laptoparff...
09:07.02apterror: you do not have enough flags for that. (o required)
09:07.40alan|laptop^^
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09:15.25alan|laptopmmm... i wonder if OZ would build faster on my laptop than on my desktop...
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15:20.39aquariusmickeyl: ping?
15:21.16aquariusI'm looking at the Python for Zaurus stuff, and I'd like to get Python and PyQt compiled on the Archos PMA400. Does anyone have an existing build script for this?
15:22.10hrw|workaquarius: bitbake task-python-everything
15:22.48aquariushrw|work: what's bitbake? That sounds useful...
15:23.10hrw|workaquarius: bitbake is a tool used in OpenEmbedded to build stuff
15:23.34aquariusah, OK. Would that need OE to already be able to build for the Archos to work?
15:25.14hrw|workpython is not machine related but it depends what kind of system is on archos.
15:25.31aquariusIt's broadly compatible with the Z -- Zaurus apps run, for example
15:25.31hrw|workif you want to build stuff for already existing distro or if you want whole dstro
15:25.39aquariusI want to build just the Python stuff
15:26.06hrw|workarchos OS is gcc 2.95 or 3.4 based?
15:26.13aquariusBut the Zaurus PyQt, for instance, doesn't work if I just install it (presumably because the Archos has a newer Qtopia, etc, so the ABI is different).
15:26.38aquariusblimey, not sure
15:31.36aquariusIf I just install bitbake and then do "bitbake task-python-everything", how does it know what it's building it *for*?
15:32.46hrw|workfrom configuration
15:32.59hrw|workhttp://www.openembedded.org/ -> wiki -> GettingStarted
15:33.08aquariusah, OK; yep, just been reading that page
15:33.29aquariusbut will the python packages that I build depend on having lots of other OE structure to depend on?
15:33.36aquariusI'm a bit confused here, sorry
15:34.48hrw|workand thats the problem.
15:35.15hrw|workmost of OE usage is building whole distros not just stuff for some.
15:35.22aquariusYep, that's what I thought.
15:35.30hrw|workit can be done ofcourse but need work which noone done
15:35.56aquariusI wasn't sure whether mickeyl's Python stuff (http://www.vanille.de/projects/python.spy) was built with OE
15:36.35hrw|workask him
15:36.59hrw|work2004/04/02 - Changed from using oz buildroot to OpenEmbedded as build system.
15:37.02hrw|worklooks like it is
15:38.41mickeylYes it is.
15:38.41aquariusoh yeah
15:38.43aquariushm
15:38.45mickeylhi btw.
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15:38.49aquariushey, mickeyl
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15:39.05aquariusDo you use OE even to build sharprom packages?
15:39.09mickeylyes
15:39.18mickeylhave a look at conf/distro/sharprom-compatible
15:39.23aquariushow much work would i have to do to build packages for the archos PMA?
15:39.24mickeylworks quite nice with a prebuilt 2.95.3 toolchain
15:39.48mickeylin my opinion they should work out of the box when you build them with DISTRO=sharprom-compatible
15:39.59mickeyliirc i tweaked this distro conf to emit old style ipkgs as well
15:40.04aquariussorry, I must be dim. Where's conf/distro/sharprom-compatible?
15:40.32aquariusall I could find were links to the ipks
15:41.10aquariusthe Archos kernel is build with 2.95, apparently, btw
15:41.21aquariusnot sure whether that's good or bad here :)
15:41.27mickeylI'm referring to OE source
15:41.30mickeylOE metadata
15:41.32aquariusah, OK
15:42.04hrw|workmickeyl: so basically sharprom-compatible is usable?
15:42.06mickeylthe qtopia portion of archos is binary compatible to the sharprom, so you should be able to use my sharprom packages or build your own like i said with DISTRO=sharprom-compatible
15:42.24aquariusreally?
15:42.27aquariussuper duper
15:42.37aquariusIf I can use your packages then that's the mighty greatness. :)
15:42.48mickeyljust try. if there are any problems, come back to me. python is my pet, I'm willing to make it useful on archos as well.
15:43.01aquariusI shall love you forever if this works. :)
15:43.09mickeylthen lets cross fingers :)
15:46.28aquariuslibpython isn't in the sharprom feed?
15:48.11mickeyliirc i built the last sharprom version before I did the split into libpython/python executable.
15:48.49mickeylso the python executable in python-core the sharprom feed should contain the whole exe
15:48.49aquariusah, so python-core doesn't depend on libpython in the sharprom feed?
15:48.53aquariuscoolness.
15:48.54mickeylyep, it shouldn't
15:49.39mickeylthe automatic packager display uses the modern feed which is why the output is not 100% accurate for the sharprom ipks.
15:49.46aquariusno problem
15:54.49aquariusaha, python works
15:54.52mickeylcoolness
15:54.54mickeylcan you please
15:54.57mickeylimport sys
15:55.00mickeylsys.platform
15:55.01mickeylimport os
15:55.02mickeylos.uname()
15:55.03mickeylfor me
15:55.08mickeyli'd like to see the values
15:56.25aquariusOK.
15:56.31aquariussys,platform: linux2
15:56.33aquariusos.uname:
15:57.19aquarius('Linux','(none)','2.4.19-rmk7-omap1','#7 Tue Mar 1 10:14:13 UTC 2005','armv4l')
15:57.24mickeylexcellent. thansk
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15:58.24hrw|workarmv4l? strongarm?
15:58.43mickeylnono
15:58.53hrw|workah.. omap
15:58.57mickeylomap is more advanced, but the binaries are armv5l
15:59.00mickeylarmv4l even
15:59.15hrw|workI was thinking that omap is atleast armv5
15:59.17aquariusglad you chaps understand that. :)
15:59.20mickeylwhich is why it works at all :)
15:59.43mickeyluh oh
15:59.47hrw|workanyway I do not know what differencies are in arm v4/v5/v6/v7/v9 etc..
16:00.29mickeyli hope pyqt still works w/ a sharprom qt-embedded. i didn't look at it for ages
16:01.16aquariuswhat's the easiest way to test if it works? just "import qt"?
16:01.35mickeyltry:
16:01.37mickeylimport qt
16:01.52mickeyla=qt.QApplication([])
16:01.59mickeylw=QPushButton()
16:02.03mickeyla.setMainWidget(w)
16:02.05mickeylw.show()
16:02.09mickeyla.exec_loop()
16:02.17mickeylah, no
16:02.23mickeylw=QPushButton( "Hello World", None )
16:02.26mickeylw.resize( 200, 200 )
16:02.29mickeylthen the rest :)
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16:03.16aquariusQApplication? Not QPEApplication?
16:03.31mickeyltry qapplication first. qpeapplication is in a nother module
16:03.33mickeylimport qtpe
16:03.40mickeyla=qtpe.QPEApplication([])
16:04.18aquariusqt and qtpe both import OK! woo!
16:04.24aquariusnow to see if they actually work :P
16:04.41mickeyldon't forget the show() and resize() or you won't see anything :)
16:04.59mickeylif they import, chances are 99% they work
16:05.07aquariusthat was my thought too ;)
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16:08.52aquariuswooo!
16:09.00aquariusa qt application!
16:09.11aquariusahahaha!
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16:09.56aquariusdo QPEApplications still have qt.QPushButtons in them, or is there a qtpe.QPEPushButton?
16:10.29mickeylQPEPushbutton is deprecated since 1.4.0
16:10.34mickeylah no
16:10.37mickeylthat was QPEMenubar
16:10.47mickeylfeel free to use standard qpushbuttons
16:10.52mickeylqtpe just contains a few classes
16:10.55mickeylfor pim stuff
16:10.59mickeyland resource handling
16:11.02mickeyland statusbar control
16:11.07mickeylthe rest is pure qt
16:11.23aquariuswish I was at home with ssh to my archos. Typing on this stupid tiny touchscreen keyboard is painful.
16:11.31mickeylgood to know it works on archos. i'll pin a note onto my website.
16:11.36aquariusIt does indeed
16:11.39mickeylfeel free to donate if you are really thankful ;)
16:11.46aquariusmight just do that ;)
16:12.25hrw|workdonations... I got cash one yesterday. 3rd time during whole OE/OZ work.
16:13.10mickeylthat's not often enough
16:13.18mickeylwe still have a PR problem heh
16:13.37hrw|workno - we dont have PR at all
16:13.43XorAfor some wierd reason people love pdaXrom
16:13.46mickeyl*nod*
16:13.50XorAin all its ancient brokeness
16:14.23hrw|workXorA: 1. it provide easy to use SDK cross/native
16:14.48XorAhrw|work: did you try using it? I did some packages for them back in the old days
16:15.00hrw|workXorA: 2. it has fulltime developer which can spend time on creating readonly images with kde 3.5.0
16:15.13hrw|workI had pdax once - less then 1h
16:15.20XorAhaving to hand craft control files and compile most things by hand sucks
16:16.38XorAtook me ages, then whenever you make a tiny change you have to redo it all again
16:16.41hrw|workand lack of deps
16:16.51XorAhrw|work: handcoded deps in my packages
16:17.03hrw|workand they give info about status more often then we
16:17.25XorAhrw|work: no, they just re-write their website once every six months
16:17.34hrw|worksometime ago I removed few pages from oz.org because they had obsolete infos about akita/spitz support
16:17.43hrw|workXorA: look at oesf/pdax part
16:17.44XorAhrw|work: I think main reason is they release rc's once a month to keep people on hook
16:18.09hrw|workXorA: I remember time when we speculate about 2month release cycle
16:27.53aquariusSo: Mickey, you're a genius. Nice one.
16:28.02mickeylthanks. glad to know it works
16:28.12mickeylsometimes compatibility burden rocks :)
16:28.49aquariusyep. You have managed to support a completely different platform by doing exactly no work. ;-)
16:29.08XorAquick post OZ now available on Archos :-)
16:29.23mickeylhehe, no no, just my python distro, not oz
16:29.27aquariusthat might be a bit ambitious just yet :-)
16:29.58XorAone thing my business life has taught me is PR is all about lieing :-)
16:30.05XorAthats why engineers are bad at it
16:30.06mickeylsad but true
16:30.38aquariusOZ Now Available On Archos! In Other News, All Archos Handhelds Now Free With Breakfast Cereal!
16:30.40aquarius:-)
16:30.42XorAI lose count of number of times Ive pointed one of our products does nothing that it says it does on data sheet
16:32.24hrw|workXorA: friend told once about marketoid which sold circle webpopups
16:32.41XorAhrw|work: heh heh
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16:39.24Mardyhi
16:50.44aquariuscheers for the help, all.
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17:59.48paxlIs there some utilty to eject card on GPE ?
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18:09.06webmindumount ?
18:09.27paxlI was meaning an graphical interface :)
18:09.49webmindno idea
18:09.55paxloki
18:10.16Luke-Jrwebmind: either way, it'd be 'cardctl eject'
18:11.21paxloki.. thank Luke-Jr
18:14.07webmindLuke-Jr, I rather umount first
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22:37.42paxleuh.. route dont come with the gpe image :S
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23:27.25edgar31hello people.
23:27.42edgar31anyone up for answering a few questions? ;)
23:30.59Luke-Jrprobably not
23:31.03edgar31damn! ;)
23:31.06Luke-Jrif I had to guess
23:33.23edgar31it's really strange stuff - with the opie image, i get strange linking problems when i'm installing a package (which doesn't run, needless to say) and with the gpe image, i can't use my wlan card. ;)
23:35.04Luke-Jruse the ljr version =p
23:35.33edgar31i'd love to. where from? ;)
23:36.18Luke-Jrhttp://luke.dashjr.org/programs/oz-ljr/
23:36.31Luke-JrI'm in the middle of doing a long-needed update now
23:37.09edgar31how does firefox perform on a zaurus? ;)
23:37.44Luke-Jrpretty decent, actually
23:37.52Luke-Jrbetter than on desktop systems, in my experiences
23:37.58Luke-Jrbut then I don't usually use FF
23:38.23Luke-JrOZ-ljr is only GPE on a temporary basis, though
23:38.31Luke-JrIt'll run KDE as soon as I make that work
23:38.35edgar31hm, does oz-ljr work with sl5500?
23:38.45Luke-Jrno
23:38.49edgar31bah! ;)
23:39.08Luke-Jrit's optimized for only Cxx0
23:39.49Luke-Jrif you want, I could help you maintain a OZ-ljr-for-SL-5500 tho
23:40.22edgar31i'd be happy if i'd ever find something that does what i want. ;)
23:40.54Luke-Jrfirst step is to setup OpenEmbedded
23:41.57edgar31isn't there any decent documentation for openzaurus?
23:43.35Luke-Jrwhat you need docs for?
23:44.38edgar31well, openzaurus is supposed to run on the sl5500, and i get those strange errors, i'd like to know where those errors are coming from.
23:44.44edgar31maybe i'm doing something wrong.
23:45.15Luke-Jrwhat errors?
23:45.30Luke-Jrare you installing a package from the official feed?
23:45.47Luke-Jrre wlan, try installing drivers
23:46.00edgar31yes, installing from the official feed.
23:46.19Luke-Jrwhat prog?
23:46.22edgar31any.
23:46.25Luke-Jr...
23:46.33Luke-Jrwhat OZ ver?
23:46.34edgar31it tries to link stuff from the SD card to the internal flash.
23:46.39Luke-Jroh
23:46.46Luke-Jrwell, install to internal
23:46.48edgar313.5.3
23:46.57edgar31there is no space on internal, opie ate it all!
23:47.06Luke-Jroh, right... 5500 has no space
23:47.07Luke-Jrum
23:47.17Luke-Jrwell, you need space on internal for links either way
23:47.46edgar31i guess there's like 1mb left. should be enough.
23:47.55Luke-Jrwhat does df -h tell you
23:48.10edgar31i tried formatting my SD to ext2fs, and it fixed the linking errors, but i got other ones instead.
23:48.16Luke-Jrsuch as?
23:48.34edgar31can't tell atm, because i just flashed the GPE image. ;)
23:48.38Luke-Jr...
23:48.43Luke-JrGPE is better anyway
23:49.54edgar31any idea where i could find a driver for my d-link dcf-650w then? ;)

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