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08:44.05 | *** topic/#openzaurus is OpenZaurus user discussion/support channel | developer discussion in #oe | http://openzaurus.org/ | Don't ask to ask, just ask. | OZ 3.5.3 -> http://openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.3/ | Report OZ bugs at http://bugs.openembedded.org/ l/p: guest/guest |
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09:01.24 | alan|laptop | good morning gentlemen |
09:01.32 | XorA | hey alan|laptop |
09:01.48 | alan|laptop | yop XorA |
09:03.30 | alan|laptop | i have troubles with mplayer-atty those days... looks like it is always requiring a opie installation, even when built frem a gpe feed... |
09:05.39 | XorA | alan|laptop: you forget to set PREFERRED_PROVIDER_virtual/libsdl = "libsdl-x11" |
09:05.45 | XorA | in local.conf |
09:06.02 | XorA | by default bitbake finds the libsdl-qte version first |
09:06.10 | alan|laptop | haaaaaaa |
09:06.23 | alan|laptop | oki |
09:06.24 | purl | error: you do not have enough flags for that. (o required) |
09:06.34 | alan|laptop | thanks a lot XorA |
09:06.48 | XorA | :-D thats a faq about every 5 mins on #gpe |
09:06.58 | alan|laptop | arff... |
09:07.02 | apt | error: you do not have enough flags for that. (o required) |
09:07.40 | alan|laptop | ^^ |
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09:15.25 | alan|laptop | mmm... i wonder if OZ would build faster on my laptop than on my desktop... |
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15:20.39 | aquarius | mickeyl: ping? |
15:21.16 | aquarius | I'm looking at the Python for Zaurus stuff, and I'd like to get Python and PyQt compiled on the Archos PMA400. Does anyone have an existing build script for this? |
15:22.10 | hrw|work | aquarius: bitbake task-python-everything |
15:22.48 | aquarius | hrw|work: what's bitbake? That sounds useful... |
15:23.10 | hrw|work | aquarius: bitbake is a tool used in OpenEmbedded to build stuff |
15:23.34 | aquarius | ah, OK. Would that need OE to already be able to build for the Archos to work? |
15:25.14 | hrw|work | python is not machine related but it depends what kind of system is on archos. |
15:25.31 | aquarius | It's broadly compatible with the Z -- Zaurus apps run, for example |
15:25.31 | hrw|work | if you want to build stuff for already existing distro or if you want whole dstro |
15:25.39 | aquarius | I want to build just the Python stuff |
15:26.06 | hrw|work | archos OS is gcc 2.95 or 3.4 based? |
15:26.13 | aquarius | But the Zaurus PyQt, for instance, doesn't work if I just install it (presumably because the Archos has a newer Qtopia, etc, so the ABI is different). |
15:26.38 | aquarius | blimey, not sure |
15:31.36 | aquarius | If I just install bitbake and then do "bitbake task-python-everything", how does it know what it's building it *for*? |
15:32.46 | hrw|work | from configuration |
15:32.59 | hrw|work | http://www.openembedded.org/ -> wiki -> GettingStarted |
15:33.08 | aquarius | ah, OK; yep, just been reading that page |
15:33.29 | aquarius | but will the python packages that I build depend on having lots of other OE structure to depend on? |
15:33.36 | aquarius | I'm a bit confused here, sorry |
15:34.48 | hrw|work | and thats the problem. |
15:35.15 | hrw|work | most of OE usage is building whole distros not just stuff for some. |
15:35.22 | aquarius | Yep, that's what I thought. |
15:35.30 | hrw|work | it can be done ofcourse but need work which noone done |
15:35.56 | aquarius | I wasn't sure whether mickeyl's Python stuff (http://www.vanille.de/projects/python.spy) was built with OE |
15:36.35 | hrw|work | ask him |
15:36.59 | hrw|work | 2004/04/02 - Changed from using oz buildroot to OpenEmbedded as build system. |
15:37.02 | hrw|work | looks like it is |
15:38.41 | mickeyl | Yes it is. |
15:38.41 | aquarius | oh yeah |
15:38.43 | aquarius | hm |
15:38.45 | mickeyl | hi btw. |
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15:38.49 | aquarius | hey, mickeyl |
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15:39.05 | aquarius | Do you use OE even to build sharprom packages? |
15:39.09 | mickeyl | yes |
15:39.18 | mickeyl | have a look at conf/distro/sharprom-compatible |
15:39.23 | aquarius | how much work would i have to do to build packages for the archos PMA? |
15:39.24 | mickeyl | works quite nice with a prebuilt 2.95.3 toolchain |
15:39.48 | mickeyl | in my opinion they should work out of the box when you build them with DISTRO=sharprom-compatible |
15:39.59 | mickeyl | iirc i tweaked this distro conf to emit old style ipkgs as well |
15:40.04 | aquarius | sorry, I must be dim. Where's conf/distro/sharprom-compatible? |
15:40.32 | aquarius | all I could find were links to the ipks |
15:41.10 | aquarius | the Archos kernel is build with 2.95, apparently, btw |
15:41.21 | aquarius | not sure whether that's good or bad here :) |
15:41.27 | mickeyl | I'm referring to OE source |
15:41.30 | mickeyl | OE metadata |
15:41.32 | aquarius | ah, OK |
15:42.04 | hrw|work | mickeyl: so basically sharprom-compatible is usable? |
15:42.06 | mickeyl | the qtopia portion of archos is binary compatible to the sharprom, so you should be able to use my sharprom packages or build your own like i said with DISTRO=sharprom-compatible |
15:42.24 | aquarius | really? |
15:42.27 | aquarius | super duper |
15:42.37 | aquarius | If I can use your packages then that's the mighty greatness. :) |
15:42.48 | mickeyl | just try. if there are any problems, come back to me. python is my pet, I'm willing to make it useful on archos as well. |
15:43.01 | aquarius | I shall love you forever if this works. :) |
15:43.09 | mickeyl | then lets cross fingers :) |
15:46.28 | aquarius | libpython isn't in the sharprom feed? |
15:48.11 | mickeyl | iirc i built the last sharprom version before I did the split into libpython/python executable. |
15:48.49 | mickeyl | so the python executable in python-core the sharprom feed should contain the whole exe |
15:48.49 | aquarius | ah, so python-core doesn't depend on libpython in the sharprom feed? |
15:48.53 | aquarius | coolness. |
15:48.54 | mickeyl | yep, it shouldn't |
15:49.39 | mickeyl | the automatic packager display uses the modern feed which is why the output is not 100% accurate for the sharprom ipks. |
15:49.46 | aquarius | no problem |
15:54.49 | aquarius | aha, python works |
15:54.52 | mickeyl | coolness |
15:54.54 | mickeyl | can you please |
15:54.57 | mickeyl | import sys |
15:55.00 | mickeyl | sys.platform |
15:55.01 | mickeyl | import os |
15:55.02 | mickeyl | os.uname() |
15:55.03 | mickeyl | for me |
15:55.08 | mickeyl | i'd like to see the values |
15:56.25 | aquarius | OK. |
15:56.31 | aquarius | sys,platform: linux2 |
15:56.33 | aquarius | os.uname: |
15:57.19 | aquarius | ('Linux','(none)','2.4.19-rmk7-omap1','#7 Tue Mar 1 10:14:13 UTC 2005','armv4l') |
15:57.24 | mickeyl | excellent. thansk |
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15:58.24 | hrw|work | armv4l? strongarm? |
15:58.43 | mickeyl | nono |
15:58.53 | hrw|work | ah.. omap |
15:58.57 | mickeyl | omap is more advanced, but the binaries are armv5l |
15:59.00 | mickeyl | armv4l even |
15:59.15 | hrw|work | I was thinking that omap is atleast armv5 |
15:59.17 | aquarius | glad you chaps understand that. :) |
15:59.20 | mickeyl | which is why it works at all :) |
15:59.43 | mickeyl | uh oh |
15:59.47 | hrw|work | anyway I do not know what differencies are in arm v4/v5/v6/v7/v9 etc.. |
16:00.29 | mickeyl | i hope pyqt still works w/ a sharprom qt-embedded. i didn't look at it for ages |
16:01.16 | aquarius | what's the easiest way to test if it works? just "import qt"? |
16:01.35 | mickeyl | try: |
16:01.37 | mickeyl | import qt |
16:01.52 | mickeyl | a=qt.QApplication([]) |
16:01.59 | mickeyl | w=QPushButton() |
16:02.03 | mickeyl | a.setMainWidget(w) |
16:02.05 | mickeyl | w.show() |
16:02.09 | mickeyl | a.exec_loop() |
16:02.17 | mickeyl | ah, no |
16:02.23 | mickeyl | w=QPushButton( "Hello World", None ) |
16:02.26 | mickeyl | w.resize( 200, 200 ) |
16:02.29 | mickeyl | then the rest :) |
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16:03.16 | aquarius | QApplication? Not QPEApplication? |
16:03.31 | mickeyl | try qapplication first. qpeapplication is in a nother module |
16:03.33 | mickeyl | import qtpe |
16:03.40 | mickeyl | a=qtpe.QPEApplication([]) |
16:04.18 | aquarius | qt and qtpe both import OK! woo! |
16:04.24 | aquarius | now to see if they actually work :P |
16:04.41 | mickeyl | don't forget the show() and resize() or you won't see anything :) |
16:04.59 | mickeyl | if they import, chances are 99% they work |
16:05.07 | aquarius | that was my thought too ;) |
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16:08.52 | aquarius | wooo! |
16:09.00 | aquarius | a qt application! |
16:09.11 | aquarius | ahahaha! |
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16:09.56 | aquarius | do QPEApplications still have qt.QPushButtons in them, or is there a qtpe.QPEPushButton? |
16:10.29 | mickeyl | QPEPushbutton is deprecated since 1.4.0 |
16:10.34 | mickeyl | ah no |
16:10.37 | mickeyl | that was QPEMenubar |
16:10.47 | mickeyl | feel free to use standard qpushbuttons |
16:10.52 | mickeyl | qtpe just contains a few classes |
16:10.55 | mickeyl | for pim stuff |
16:10.59 | mickeyl | and resource handling |
16:11.02 | mickeyl | and statusbar control |
16:11.07 | mickeyl | the rest is pure qt |
16:11.23 | aquarius | wish I was at home with ssh to my archos. Typing on this stupid tiny touchscreen keyboard is painful. |
16:11.31 | mickeyl | good to know it works on archos. i'll pin a note onto my website. |
16:11.36 | aquarius | It does indeed |
16:11.39 | mickeyl | feel free to donate if you are really thankful ;) |
16:11.46 | aquarius | might just do that ;) |
16:12.25 | hrw|work | donations... I got cash one yesterday. 3rd time during whole OE/OZ work. |
16:13.10 | mickeyl | that's not often enough |
16:13.18 | mickeyl | we still have a PR problem heh |
16:13.37 | hrw|work | no - we dont have PR at all |
16:13.43 | XorA | for some wierd reason people love pdaXrom |
16:13.46 | mickeyl | *nod* |
16:13.50 | XorA | in all its ancient brokeness |
16:14.23 | hrw|work | XorA: 1. it provide easy to use SDK cross/native |
16:14.48 | XorA | hrw|work: did you try using it? I did some packages for them back in the old days |
16:15.00 | hrw|work | XorA: 2. it has fulltime developer which can spend time on creating readonly images with kde 3.5.0 |
16:15.13 | hrw|work | I had pdax once - less then 1h |
16:15.20 | XorA | having to hand craft control files and compile most things by hand sucks |
16:16.38 | XorA | took me ages, then whenever you make a tiny change you have to redo it all again |
16:16.41 | hrw|work | and lack of deps |
16:16.51 | XorA | hrw|work: handcoded deps in my packages |
16:17.03 | hrw|work | and they give info about status more often then we |
16:17.25 | XorA | hrw|work: no, they just re-write their website once every six months |
16:17.34 | hrw|work | sometime ago I removed few pages from oz.org because they had obsolete infos about akita/spitz support |
16:17.43 | hrw|work | XorA: look at oesf/pdax part |
16:17.44 | XorA | hrw|work: I think main reason is they release rc's once a month to keep people on hook |
16:18.09 | hrw|work | XorA: I remember time when we speculate about 2month release cycle |
16:27.53 | aquarius | So: Mickey, you're a genius. Nice one. |
16:28.02 | mickeyl | thanks. glad to know it works |
16:28.12 | mickeyl | sometimes compatibility burden rocks :) |
16:28.49 | aquarius | yep. You have managed to support a completely different platform by doing exactly no work. ;-) |
16:29.08 | XorA | quick post OZ now available on Archos :-) |
16:29.23 | mickeyl | hehe, no no, just my python distro, not oz |
16:29.27 | aquarius | that might be a bit ambitious just yet :-) |
16:29.58 | XorA | one thing my business life has taught me is PR is all about lieing :-) |
16:30.05 | XorA | thats why engineers are bad at it |
16:30.06 | mickeyl | sad but true |
16:30.38 | aquarius | OZ Now Available On Archos! In Other News, All Archos Handhelds Now Free With Breakfast Cereal! |
16:30.40 | aquarius | :-) |
16:30.42 | XorA | I lose count of number of times Ive pointed one of our products does nothing that it says it does on data sheet |
16:32.24 | hrw|work | XorA: friend told once about marketoid which sold circle webpopups |
16:32.41 | XorA | hrw|work: heh heh |
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16:39.24 | Mardy | hi |
16:50.44 | aquarius | cheers for the help, all. |
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17:59.48 | paxl | Is there some utilty to eject card on GPE ? |
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18:09.06 | webmind | umount ? |
18:09.27 | paxl | I was meaning an graphical interface :) |
18:09.49 | webmind | no idea |
18:09.55 | paxl | oki |
18:10.16 | Luke-Jr | webmind: either way, it'd be 'cardctl eject' |
18:11.21 | paxl | oki.. thank Luke-Jr |
18:14.07 | webmind | Luke-Jr, I rather umount first |
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22:37.42 | paxl | euh.. route dont come with the gpe image :S |
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23:27.25 | edgar31 | hello people. |
23:27.42 | edgar31 | anyone up for answering a few questions? ;) |
23:30.59 | Luke-Jr | probably not |
23:31.03 | edgar31 | damn! ;) |
23:31.06 | Luke-Jr | if I had to guess |
23:33.23 | edgar31 | it's really strange stuff - with the opie image, i get strange linking problems when i'm installing a package (which doesn't run, needless to say) and with the gpe image, i can't use my wlan card. ;) |
23:35.04 | Luke-Jr | use the ljr version =p |
23:35.33 | edgar31 | i'd love to. where from? ;) |
23:36.18 | Luke-Jr | http://luke.dashjr.org/programs/oz-ljr/ |
23:36.31 | Luke-Jr | I'm in the middle of doing a long-needed update now |
23:37.09 | edgar31 | how does firefox perform on a zaurus? ;) |
23:37.44 | Luke-Jr | pretty decent, actually |
23:37.52 | Luke-Jr | better than on desktop systems, in my experiences |
23:37.58 | Luke-Jr | but then I don't usually use FF |
23:38.23 | Luke-Jr | OZ-ljr is only GPE on a temporary basis, though |
23:38.31 | Luke-Jr | It'll run KDE as soon as I make that work |
23:38.35 | edgar31 | hm, does oz-ljr work with sl5500? |
23:38.45 | Luke-Jr | no |
23:38.49 | edgar31 | bah! ;) |
23:39.08 | Luke-Jr | it's optimized for only Cxx0 |
23:39.49 | Luke-Jr | if you want, I could help you maintain a OZ-ljr-for-SL-5500 tho |
23:40.22 | edgar31 | i'd be happy if i'd ever find something that does what i want. ;) |
23:40.54 | Luke-Jr | first step is to setup OpenEmbedded |
23:41.57 | edgar31 | isn't there any decent documentation for openzaurus? |
23:43.35 | Luke-Jr | what you need docs for? |
23:44.38 | edgar31 | well, openzaurus is supposed to run on the sl5500, and i get those strange errors, i'd like to know where those errors are coming from. |
23:44.44 | edgar31 | maybe i'm doing something wrong. |
23:45.15 | Luke-Jr | what errors? |
23:45.30 | Luke-Jr | are you installing a package from the official feed? |
23:45.47 | Luke-Jr | re wlan, try installing drivers |
23:46.00 | edgar31 | yes, installing from the official feed. |
23:46.19 | Luke-Jr | what prog? |
23:46.22 | edgar31 | any. |
23:46.25 | Luke-Jr | ... |
23:46.33 | Luke-Jr | what OZ ver? |
23:46.34 | edgar31 | it tries to link stuff from the SD card to the internal flash. |
23:46.39 | Luke-Jr | oh |
23:46.46 | Luke-Jr | well, install to internal |
23:46.48 | edgar31 | 3.5.3 |
23:46.57 | edgar31 | there is no space on internal, opie ate it all! |
23:47.06 | Luke-Jr | oh, right... 5500 has no space |
23:47.07 | Luke-Jr | um |
23:47.17 | Luke-Jr | well, you need space on internal for links either way |
23:47.46 | edgar31 | i guess there's like 1mb left. should be enough. |
23:47.55 | Luke-Jr | what does df -h tell you |
23:48.10 | edgar31 | i tried formatting my SD to ext2fs, and it fixed the linking errors, but i got other ones instead. |
23:48.16 | Luke-Jr | such as? |
23:48.34 | edgar31 | can't tell atm, because i just flashed the GPE image. ;) |
23:48.38 | Luke-Jr | ... |
23:48.43 | Luke-Jr | GPE is better anyway |
23:49.54 | edgar31 | any idea where i could find a driver for my d-link dcf-650w then? ;) |