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| 03:35.38 | mnm | hello |
| 03:36.56 | NAbyss | erro |
| 03:43.04 | mnm | I can't connect to my AP can you help me. I've look through a lot of doc over at oz.org but no avail |
| 03:44.09 | mnm | I've gone through the gui net config and ifdown and ifup and stuff but I don't know whats wrong |
| 03:46.41 | noosphere | using wep encryption? |
| 03:46.42 | NAbyss | No idea |
| 03:46.45 | mnm | no wep |
| 03:46.47 | NAbyss | I'm still waiting on my wireless card |
| 03:46.48 | mnm | totaly open |
| 03:46.49 | noosphere | make sure you preceed your wep key with 0x |
| 03:46.55 | noosphere | ahh |
| 03:46.56 | mnm | ? |
| 03:46.59 | mnm | with ifconfig? |
| 03:47.58 | noosphere | umm... cant remember where to enter the wep key in OZ |
| 03:48.16 | noosphere | I think I did it all with the gui using 802.11b and 128bit wep.. I didnt hit any issues |
| 03:48.21 | mnm | so even though I don't have wep encrypt I still have to enter this right? |
| 03:48.41 | noosphere | not to my knowledge, never tried it with no wep key |
| 03:48.45 | mnm | oh |
| 03:49.23 | noosphere | does "iwlist etrh1 scanning" return anything? |
| 03:49.28 | noosphere | should return info about your access point |
| 03:49.34 | mnm | h.o |
| 03:51.08 | mnm | my iwconfig doesn't seem to suport that switch but the gui net config does see my AP |
| 03:51.43 | noosphere | ok |
| 03:51.52 | mnm | no idea.. |
| 03:52.07 | noosphere | sounds like its close... |
| 03:52.23 | mnm | to connecting |
| 03:52.29 | noosphere | if you tail -f /var/log/messages when you try to bring up the interface do you get anything helpful? |
| 03:52.37 | mnm | let me see |
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| 03:54.24 | mnm | that file hasn't been created for some reason |
| 03:55.16 | noosphere | sorry.. its been a while since I muched around on my Z |
| 03:55.20 | noosphere | mucked |
| 03:55.25 | mnm | ok np thnx |
| 03:55.36 | mnm | I also want to flash my prism2 CF card from my Z but I need a patched hostap driver I don't have another comp with CF slot how should I do this? |
| 03:55.48 | mnm | is there a binary |
| 03:55.54 | mnm | patched |
| 03:57.20 | mnm | I can't flash it with out this driver hence use certain apps |
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| 07:11.20 | greyL | hello, any idea when the next release is due out? |
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| 08:52.43 | XorA | morning |
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| 12:38.04 | Mardy | hi |
| 13:12.37 | duxex | anybody around? |
| 13:12.37 | NAbyss | kinda |
| 13:12.58 | duxex | hehe |
| 13:13.50 | duxex | I just got a zaurus a few days ago |
| 13:14.02 | duxex | been plucking away like a mad man since then |
| 13:15.05 | NAbyss | Yeah, I got mine about a week and a half ago |
| 13:15.27 | duxex | what model? |
| 13:16.22 | NAbyss | SL-C3100 |
| 13:16.50 | hrw | nice thing.. |
| 13:16.50 | duxex | cool |
| 13:16.51 | duxex | same here |
| 13:17.18 | duxex | I'm trying to get wellenreiter to work on the default operating system |
| 13:17.45 | duxex | but with the opie packaged version it works fine |
| 13:18.29 | hrw | duxex: wellenreiter is opie tool ;) |
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| 13:27.51 | duxex | i got all the libs and stuff, it loads up |
| 13:27.59 | duxex | kismet doesn't work either |
| 13:28.00 | duxex | grr |
| 13:29.03 | duxex | if I could find a good SSL web browser for OPIE I'd use it |
| 13:30.24 | hrw | duxex: konq/embedded suxx bit too much? :) |
| 13:30.29 | duxex | yes |
| 13:30.32 | duxex | oh god |
| 13:30.40 | duxex | I wish I had XFCE on my zaurus |
| 13:30.51 | duxex | I don't use QT normally |
| 13:30.54 | duxex | I avoid itg |
| 13:31.00 | hrw | what a problem with xfce? |
| 13:31.08 | duxex | no problem with XFCE |
| 13:31.11 | duxex | I want it on my zaurs :) |
| 13:31.14 | hrw | oz 3.5.4 will have it |
| 13:31.29 | duxex | in the final release? |
| 13:32.01 | hrw | yes |
| 13:32.38 | duxex | I can't wait |
| 13:33.10 | hrw | build it then... |
| 13:33.41 | hrw | in 2-4 weeks we will finally release |
| 13:33.50 | duxex | sounds like a plan |
| 13:38.39 | mrz80 | I see in the notes on o..z.. that plans are afoot for a bootloader that'll let one boot from sd or cf. That'll be terrific for trying new releases or switching 'twixt GPE and OPIE. Thanks for all the effort youse guys put into all this development! |
| 13:39.20 | hrw | mrz80: which country you are from? |
| 13:39.53 | hrw | your english is something new to me (not native ensligh here and my english is not good) |
| 13:40.07 | mrz80 | US |
| 13:40.34 | duxex | are they selling zauruses in the US yet |
| 13:40.38 | mrz80 | I've been accused of being in love with overly complex sentence structure and excessive wordiness. :-) |
| 13:41.00 | mrz80 | duxex: Nope. Sharp has pulled out of the US handheld market, much to my disappointment. |
| 13:41.07 | hrw | 'twixt & afoot are new for me |
| 13:41.18 | duxex | that stinks, I think the 3000 series would sell in the states |
| 13:41.28 | mrz80 | Several companies import the Japanese Zaurus machines, convert them to English, and sell them. |
| 13:41.33 | hrw | duxex: sharp sells suxx |
| 13:41.58 | hrw | sharp soft stinks.. hardware development too... ;( |
| 13:42.55 | mrz80 | hrw: 'twixt is a contraction of "betwixt" which is a Middle English (read: very old) word for "between" |
| 13:43.26 | mrz80 | I'd just be happy if my SL-5500 had a decent calendar and better battery life. :-) |
| 13:44.23 | duxex | I'm happy wiht my 3100 |
| 13:44.26 | hrw | mrz80: replace battery with hacked nokia7110 one |
| 13:44.37 | mrz80 | the 5500 makes a dandy wireless network AccessPoint locater/signal strength meter/sniffer for me at work. And I can play Doom on it :-), but my PalmOS gizmo is going to remain my "main" PDA |
| 13:44.40 | hrw | mrz80: 1800mAh instead of 950mAh |
| 13:44.57 | XorA | hrw: or put the c7x0 one in |
| 13:45.06 | mrz80 | hrw: Will the Nokia battery fit in the 5500's battery well, or will I have to duct tape it in place? |
| 13:45.07 | XorA | hrw: the extended one |
| 13:45.16 | hrw | XorA: wont fit without breaking part of case |
| 13:45.31 | hrw | mrz80: w8 - will give a link |
| 13:45.51 | hrw | XorA: I tried |
| 13:46.01 | hrw | mrz80: http://zaurus.help4free.de/html/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?viewmode=thread&topic_id=4904&forum=13&post_id=31797 |
| 13:46.07 | hrw | mrz80: its in german |
| 13:48.39 | duxex | is there any hdd hacks for the C3100 |
| 13:49.26 | XorA | duxex: hdd hacks? |
| 13:49.35 | duxex | like putting an ipod hdd in it or something |
| 13:50.39 | duxex | I havn't taken my zaurus apart yet |
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| 13:52.08 | NAbyss | duxex: There's no bloody room in it.. |
| 13:54.03 | unomi | hiyas, anyway to access an OZ 3.5.3 on an sl5500 from winxp ? |
| 13:54.23 | duxex | delete winnxp and put linux on it :) |
| 13:54.47 | unomi | cute |
| 13:54.49 | XorA | unomi: install drivers from 5500 cdrom and use qtopiadesktop from trolltech |
| 13:55.02 | unomi | thanks |
| 13:55.14 | duxex | I don't have a clue :( |
| 13:55.24 | unomi | the qtopiadesktop can coexist with OZ? |
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| 13:57.19 | unomi | ah i see the qtopiadesktop runs on the winxp |
| 13:57.20 | XorA | unomi: it runs on winxp, it can sync the PIM |
| 13:57.28 | XorA | unomi: not needed if you dont sync pim |
| 13:57.34 | unomi | filetransfers etc also? |
| 13:57.45 | XorA | unomi: normally easier to use winscp |
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| 14:02.30 | unomi | btw: anyone know if there is a plastic screen protection layer on a stock sl5500 ? |
| 14:02.46 | unomi | i got a 2nd hand one where the screen is pretty scratched |
| 14:03.40 | duxex | I wonder if you can buff it out with some rouge or something |
| 14:04.45 | unomi | yeah its not deep scratches .. just looks like someone went mental on solitaire or something |
| 14:05.55 | duxex | I know its a little different |
| 14:06.12 | duxex | but I used some rouge and a buffer on my convertible car window and it cleared it right up |
| 14:06.23 | duxex | its that soft-easily-scratched plastic |
| 14:06.24 | duxex | hehe |
| 14:06.41 | duxex | I never tried it with a small device though |
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| 14:06.49 | unomi | i was hoping i might just be able to replace a toplayer plastic cover or something |
| 14:06.55 | XorA | should check on the oesf forums, Im sure your not first person wants to polish a Z |
| 14:06.59 | XorA | ~oesf |
| 14:07.03 | ibot | i guess oesf is newer name of ZUG - it provide forum for Zaurus/Ipaq/Simpad/etc users (see zug). It has nothing common with OpenEmbedded (except first two words) |
| 14:07.26 | unomi | ~oesf url |
| 14:07.40 | unomi | ~url oesf |
| 14:07.51 | unomi | alright ill find it, cheers |
| 14:08.03 | XorA | www.oesf.org |
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| 14:08.30 | XorA | reminds me, must hunt out some screen wipes for mine |
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| 14:42.48 | unomi | kewl ok so far so good, 2 questions, whats the default root pw? and since OZ sync tab only mentions Qtopia1.7 should i limit myself to that one or can i use the QtopiaDesktop 2.1.1.exe ? |
| 14:43.15 | NAbyss | unomi: On the latest .dev tree, there's no root password, AFAIK |
| 14:43.25 | alan|laptop | unomi: for opie, no password for root |
| 14:43.34 | alan|laptop | hi NAbyss ^^ |
| 14:43.36 | unomi | i grabbed the stable 3.5.3 |
| 14:43.48 | unomi | ok so i need to configure dropbear to allow root conns? |
| 14:43.48 | NAbyss | alan|laptop: heyas |
| 14:44.01 | NAbyss | unomi: Hmm, I didn't have to configure mine.. just ssh root@... |
| 14:44.31 | alan|laptop | unomi: you can set a root password OR have a look at www.openzaurus.org how-to about ssh paswordless |
| 14:45.39 | unomi | ok, if i set a root pw will that interfere with OZ boot process? |
| 14:47.10 | NAbyss | It shouldn't.. all that stuff's started by init |
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| 16:36.57 | unomi | hiyas again, where should i point PKG_PATH to for nice packages? |
| 16:37.11 | unomi | specifically looking for openssh |
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| 17:26.56 | unomi | the standard ipkg update links to an apperantly dead url : http://openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.3/upgrades//Packages.gz |
| 17:28.22 | alan|laptop | unomi: you have to check on openzaurus.org |
| 17:28.34 | alan|laptop | unomi: you now have to use mirros |
| 17:28.58 | unomi | k |
| 17:28.59 | alan|laptop | openzaurus had no more space for feeds on sourceforge. |
| 17:30.56 | unomi | im having some issues with my transcend 256mb sd card, sometimes i have to eject/insert it to stop it from just showing corrupted garbage as its contents |
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| 17:33.33 | unomi | could you tell me how i can make http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/mirror/www.openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.3/upgrades/ ipkg's standard path? |
| 17:43.37 | alan|laptop | edit your /etc/ipkg.conf |
| 17:44.30 | alan|laptop | unomi: i think your garbage screen will disapear when you have done an update. |
| 17:44.44 | alan|laptop | unomi: ho! and don't forget your machine feed ! |
| 17:44.56 | unomi | cheers /machine feed? |
| 17:48.11 | unomi | btw is it safe to remove "dest root /" ? or do i have to manually set a different dest everytime? |
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| 18:10.31 | *** topic/#openzaurus is OpenZaurus user discussion/support channel | developer discussion in #oe | http://openzaurus.org/ | Don't ask to ask, just ask. | OZ 3.5.3 -> http://openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.3/ | Report OZ bugs at http://bugs.openembedded.org/ l/p: guest/guest |
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| 18:13.14 | jnc | are the devs *still* working on making a 3.5.4 release? |
| 18:13.16 | jnc | yeesh |
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| 18:26.36 | jnc | oooh |
| 18:27.01 | jnc | mickeyl: i have Zaurus C3000 hardware and would like to bugtest the upcoming release |
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| 18:46.12 | jnc | hey guys |
| 18:55.58 | benpi | am I dumb or is guest/guest an invalid account/pass on bugs.openembedded.org ? |
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| 18:58.31 | jnc | i haven't tried that one |
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| 19:16.32 | benpi | well, that the one indicated on the topic of this chan |
| 19:17.20 | jnc | ohh |
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| 20:34.19 | unomi | can someone explain to me how the busybox route command works? |
| 20:35.54 | unomi | route add 192.168.0.21 192.168.1.200 |
| 20:35.56 | unomi | route: SIOC[ADD|DEL]RT: No such device |
| 20:36.29 | CoreDump|work | hmm dunno sry |
| 20:36.32 | unomi | route add usbd0 192.168.0.21 192.168.1.200 : route resolving usbd0 |
| 20:36.53 | unomi | there is no -interface option |
| 20:37.07 | CoreDump|work | try placing the interface last |
| 20:37.43 | unomi | http://www.busybox.net/downloads/BusyBox.html is ruefully silent on the proper syntax of route |
| 20:38.09 | CoreDump|work | best doc is the source for most BB apps I'm afraid |
| 20:38.10 | unomi | just gives me the usage output |
| 20:38.19 | unomi | root@collie:~# route add 192.168.0.21 192.168.1.200 usbd0 |
| 20:38.20 | unomi | BusyBox v1.00 (2005.04.07-11:26+0000) multi-call binary |
| 20:38.20 | unomi | Usage: route [{add|del|delete}] |
| 20:38.54 | unomi | was hoping i might be able to find a BB guy around here |
| 20:39.09 | CoreDump|work | It might be easier to hunt down a package with the "real" route |
| 20:39.20 | CoreDump|work | should even be in the feed |
| 20:39.53 | unomi | yeah.. ill try my luck in #oe first though |
| 20:40.13 | CoreDump|work | heh, GL there |
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| 20:43.08 | jnc | i said this already i think some of you were out though |
| 20:43.22 | jnc | i'd like to be testing the release candidate |
| 20:43.32 | jnc | my hardware is an zaurus c3000 |
| 20:43.33 | jnc | :) |
| 20:43.46 | jnc | whom do i talk to? |
| 20:46.49 | CoreDump|work | checking |
| 20:47.11 | CoreDump|work | http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/mirror/www.openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.4-RC/sl3000/ |
| 20:47.31 | CoreDump|work | this is RC1, there is no newer RC at this time |
| 20:47.47 | jnc | oh, i read on the oz website something about testing before release |
| 20:48.16 | jnc | not the 2.6.x kernel, which i've already tested |
| 20:48.33 | jnc | the 2.4.20 and entire OZ 3.5.4 OS |
| 20:48.44 | CoreDump|work | ah, yeah. Forgott about that heh. This step hasn't begun, yet. |
| 20:48.47 | jnc | ah |
| 20:49.04 | jnc | well i'm a happy dev to submit bug reports if the oz devs want them |
| 20:49.12 | jnc | my Z is currently sitting unused :) |
| 20:49.13 | unomi | so the syntax was "route add $dest gw $gateway" |
| 20:49.21 | CoreDump|work | talk to hrw|gone (when he's back). I dunno how he keeps track of his victims =) |
| 20:49.26 | jnc | heh heh |
| 20:49.51 | jnc | the thing is, i would build my own copy of OZ using bitbake and stuff, but that will not help you guys out much |
| 20:49.57 | CoreDump|work | unomi: you were lucky that kergoth wasn't in #OE =) |
| 20:50.06 | CoreDump|work | actually, it does |
| 20:50.07 | jnc | i think y'all build with different compiler versions and such than i do |
| 20:50.09 | jnc | it is a problem |
| 20:50.21 | CoreDump|work | we use a fixed source |
| 20:50.24 | jnc | when i build the kernel with the gcc versions i have, the kernel is too big |
| 20:50.25 | jnc | hmm |
| 20:50.34 | CoreDump|work | you can obtain our sources with OE |
| 20:51.01 | CoreDump|work | you are required to use the OE build environment though |
| 20:51.24 | jnc | i tried that once, and it came down to OZ devs i talked to not wanting to deal with gcc 4.x |
| 20:51.30 | jnc | so i don't know |
| 20:51.38 | jnc | i gave up. should i try again? |
| 20:51.41 | CoreDump|work | that's because we do not use GCC4 |
| 20:52.04 | CoreDump|work | if you configure DISTRO in local.conf correctly it will choose correct versions for you |
| 20:52.11 | jnc | ohh okay |
| 20:52.14 | jnc | i will try that |
| 20:52.49 | CoreDump|work | please use the oz3.5.4 branch of OE, current HEAD is fubar |
| 20:52.58 | jnc | good to know |
| 20:53.59 | CoreDump|work | really, once configured correctly, you are able to compile identical images as we do |
| 20:54.28 | CoreDump|work | anyways, gotta go do some work, bbl |
| 20:54.44 | jnc | thanks CD |
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| 21:15.00 | CoreDump|work | you're welcome =) |
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| 21:47.52 | peterbrett | Hey folks |
| 21:48.21 | peterbrett | Anyone here got OZ working well on a stentz machine? |
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| 21:57.52 | peterbrett | Anybody? |
| 21:58.07 | peterbrett | When I try and build the kernel, it's too big... any suggestions? |
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| 22:22.25 | jnc | peterbrett: it's the version of GCC you're using |
| 22:22.31 | jnc | i'm almost sure of that |
| 22:22.33 | peterbrett | Oh |
| 22:22.37 | peterbrett | That's irritating |
| 22:22.50 | peterbrett | I'm just using the one bitbake built for me |
| 22:22.52 | jnc | i tried building with gcc4 and ended up with a kernel that was too big for spitz |
| 22:23.52 | jnc | try defining your distro like CoreDump suggests in, and i quote, "< CoreDump|work> if you configure DISTRO in local.conf correctly it will choose correct versions for you | please use the oz3.5.4 branch of OE, current HEAD is fubar | really, once configured correctly, you are able to compile identical images as we do" |
| 22:24.15 | peterbrett | lol |
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| 22:24.52 | peterbrett | Shame that I don't have a clue how to do any of that. |
| 22:25.13 | peterbrett | The OZ team don't seem to be keen on documentation, I'm afraid :P |
| 22:25.38 | peterbrett | I mean, I put 'openzaurus-unstable' in distro -- was that wrong? |
| 22:25.50 | jnc | your distro |
| 22:25.55 | jnc | not the open zaurus distro |
| 22:26.01 | jnc | like are you using debian or whatever |
| 22:26.08 | peterbrett | oh right. |
| 22:26.14 | peterbrett | um |
| 22:27.26 | peterbrett | I'm using FC4 |
| 22:27.49 | peterbrett | Am I meant to put that in the DISTRO variable??? |
| 22:30.57 | jnc | not sure about that myself |
| 22:31.09 | jnc | it's on my list of things to learn about today and do |
| 22:34.59 | peterbrett | Urgh |
| 22:35.10 | peterbrett | Well, I guess I'll go back to trying to get Quake II running well on this |
| 22:35.34 | peterbrett | (And no, 'this' is not my C3000 unfortunately) |
| 22:43.08 | CoreDump|home | re |
| 22:43.14 | CoreDump|home | hold on a second there |
| 22:43.29 | jnc | yes |
| 22:44.19 | CoreDump|home | For OZ 3.5.4 RC builds you have to check out the oz 3.5.4 branch, then check the conf directory if openzaurus-3.5.4.conf is there. If it is the branch was checked out successfuly |
| 22:44.34 | CoreDump|home | then you set DISTRO in local.conf to "openzaurus-3.5.4" |
| 22:47.02 | jnc | ah |
| 22:47.14 | jnc | so how to tell the build system to use the right compiler version? |
| 22:50.45 | CoreDump|home | bye configuring local.conf =) |
| 22:50.57 | CoreDump|home | which PDA are you compiling for? |
| 22:52.32 | jnc | we are both compiling for the Sharp Zaurus C3000 |
| 22:52.51 | CoreDump|home | ummm what's the 3000's codename again? |
| 22:52.59 | CoreDump|home | you're gonna need it |
| 22:53.00 | jnc | spitz |
| 22:53.03 | CoreDump|home | right |
| 22:54.05 | CoreDump|home | http://oe.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/GettingStarted <- you read that, right? So your local.conf is configured for basic builds? |
| 22:54.13 | CoreDump|home | you need: |
| 22:54.25 | CoreDump|home | MACHINE = "spitz" |
| 22:54.36 | CoreDump|home | DISTRO = "openzaurus-3.5.4" |
| 22:54.47 | CoreDump|home | TARGET_OS = "linux |
| 22:55.14 | jnc | monotone update -roz3.5.4 |
| 22:55.15 | jnc | yes? |
| 22:55.50 | CoreDump|home | mt --db=./OE.db co --branch org.openembedded.oz354fam083 openembedded-3.5.4 |
| 22:56.05 | CoreDump|home | replace OE.db with the name of your OE database |
| 22:56.13 | CoreDump|home | that pulls the branch |
| 22:56.16 | jnc | 'k |
| 22:56.38 | CoreDump|home | eh wait wrong line =) |
| 22:56.45 | jnc | what is oz354fam083? |
| 22:56.47 | jnc | familiar... |
| 22:56.58 | CoreDump|home | mt ---db=./OE.db pull ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl org.openembedded.oz354fam083 |
| 22:57.05 | CoreDump|home | this one to pull the branch |
| 22:57.22 | CoreDump|home | mt --db=./OE.db co --branch org.openembedded.oz354fam083 openembedded-3.5.4 |
| 22:57.41 | CoreDump|home | this one to check out the branch into a subdirectory called "openembedded-3.5.4" |
| 22:58.19 | CoreDump|home | FYI familiar (the iPAQ OS) and OZ are basically identical, machine specific stuff aside |
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| 22:59.16 | jnc | ah okay |
| 22:59.27 | jnc | one minute, i'm working on these commands again. |
| 23:03.30 | jnc | pulling the first command now ( mt ---db=./OE.db pull ewi546...) |
| 23:04.13 | CoreDump|home | if you didn't update for a while, this is going to take *ages* =) |
| 23:04.27 | jnc | yeah i'm starting from a fresh directory |
| 23:04.37 | CoreDump|home | ahem |
| 23:04.43 | jnc | the old stuff i figure is just going to complicate matters, no? |
| 23:05.01 | CoreDump|home | well, you were able to compile with the old stuff right? |
| 23:05.26 | CoreDump|home | that means your bash environment and local.conf are basically correct |
| 23:05.30 | jnc | it was ages ago. yes, most things compiled up until the kernel, which was too large and caused the whole thing to fail |
| 23:05.40 | jnc | due to gcc not being correct |
| 23:05.55 | jnc | i've since upgraded and changed the OS from Ubuntu to debian |
| 23:06.01 | CoreDump|home | oh |
| 23:06.02 | jnc | so i think that warrants starting fresh |
| 23:06.08 | CoreDump|home | yeah lol |
| 23:06.34 | CoreDump|home | let's hope the Wiki "Getting started" works then. Didn't install from scratch for ages. |
| 23:07.24 | CoreDump|home | for a fresh start ignore my commands and follow the wiki to the letter please |
| 23:07.37 | jnc | oh okay |
| 23:07.43 | jnc | i will do that now, cancelling the pull |
| 23:07.45 | CoreDump|home | i was assuming an already configured OE |
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| 23:14.19 | unomi | how can i set wget to use a proxy ? |
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| 23:17.05 | CoreDump|home | um no idea |
| 23:17.51 | jnc | jnc@baker:~/opensource/openzaurus$ monotone --db=/home/jnc/opensource/openzaurus/oe.db pull monotone.vanille.de "org.openembedded.{dev,dreambox}" |
| 23:17.55 | jnc | monotone: network error: failed to connect: Connection refused |
| 23:18.01 | jnc | CoreDump|home: hmm? |
| 23:18.05 | CoreDump|home | yeah use the mirror |
| 23:18.28 | jnc | the GettingStarted should be updated to reference that tidbit of info at the appropriate place |
| 23:18.40 | CoreDump|home | ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl |
| 23:18.44 | CoreDump|home | I agree |
| 23:19.10 | jnc | okay it's chugging along now |
| 23:19.21 | jnc | where does all this info go? like the bytes in field |
| 23:19.29 | jnc | is that stored, or just processed |
| 23:19.41 | CoreDump|home | into --db=/home/jnc/opensource/openzaurus/oe.db |
| 23:19.47 | jnc | oh hmm |
| 23:19.58 | CoreDump|home | but you can cheat there as the initial pull takes forever |
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| 23:20.22 | CoreDump|home | http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/OE/OE.db.bz2 |
| 23:20.32 | jnc | 'k |
| 23:20.33 | CoreDump|home | download this db and use it |
| 23:20.45 | CoreDump|home | safes a heck of a lot of time |
| 23:20.59 | jnc | if it saves so much time, why is the other method on the GettingStarted page? |
| 23:21.15 | CoreDump|home | it is |
| 23:21.23 | CoreDump|home | under "obtaining bitbacke" =) |
| 23:21.29 | CoreDump|home | err openembedded |
| 23:21.37 | jnc | what i mean is, why even bother with the traditional pull method if it takes so long |
| 23:22.02 | CoreDump|home | when the wiki was written, no ones provided up-to-date database snapshots |
| 23:22.14 | jnc | oh okay |
| 23:23.09 | jnc | that should maybe be updated do serve directions in a shortcut first manner, with a link to the old-school traditional way to pull the archive in case people stop providing updates |
| 23:25.01 | CoreDump|home | yes, maybe. But after 8hrs of work I'm sooo to lazy to do that heh |
| 23:25.07 | jnc | :) |
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| 23:26.10 | CoreDump|home | (and I'm working on my own ROM atm ;) ) |
| 23:26.13 | jnc | i think it's almost done with the pull, not using the OE.db shortcut |
| 23:26.38 | CoreDump|home | really? the new monotone must be a*lot* faster then |
| 23:26.41 | jnc | hmm |
| 23:26.49 | jnc | does it have to write out all the revisions that came in? |
| 23:27.14 | CoreDump|home | hmm? |
| 23:27.28 | jnc | monotone: bytes in | bytes out | certs in | revs in | revs written |
| 23:27.28 | jnc | monotone: 35.2 M | 1.6 M | 14,821 | 3,814 | 35 |
| 23:27.36 | CoreDump|home | ah that, yep |
| 23:27.45 | jnc | then maybe it has just begun |
| 23:28.21 | jnc | at a rate of 10 revisions per 46 seconds |
| 23:28.23 | CoreDump|home | haha |
| 23:28.30 | CoreDump|home | and like 3k to go |
| 23:28.43 | jnc | which is like 4.6 seconds per revision, huh |
| 23:28.49 | jnc | times 3,800 |
| 23:28.50 | CoreDump|home | they said monotone 0.25 was quite a bit faster |
| 23:28.55 | jnc | oh yeah hmm |
| 23:29.23 | jnc | only 5 hours |
| 23:29.25 | jnc | that's not so bad |
| 23:29.34 | CoreDump|home | =) |
| 23:29.47 | jnc | i can go watch tv, eat pretzels dipped in nutella |
| 23:29.52 | jnc | this won't be so bad at all |
| 23:30.05 | CoreDump|home | or you could just download the file I posted and be done with it in like 10m |
| 23:30.27 | jnc | should i try that, you think? |
| 23:30.43 | jnc | it's functionally equivillent |
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| 23:30.46 | jnc | so you say |
| 23:30.51 | CoreDump|home | sure, if you don't want to wait 5hrs that is |
| 23:30.56 | jnc | :) |
| 23:31.02 | CoreDump|home | =) |
| 23:31.19 | CoreDump|home | and I hope you bring in some healthy free HDD space heh |
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| 23:31.28 | jnc | aborting the 5 hour process |
| 23:31.30 | CoreDump|home | for the compiling |
| 23:31.33 | jnc | yeah |
| 23:31.37 | jnc | 80gb drive local |
| 23:31.43 | jnc | 19gb free |
| 23:31.46 | jnc | do i need more? |
| 23:32.08 | CoreDump|home | nah that's fine |
| 23:32.20 | CoreDump|home | i think |
| 23:32.22 | CoreDump|home | =) |
| 23:32.23 | jnc | monotone refuses to die |
| 23:32.34 | jnc | i tried ctrl+c in the term, and 'killall monotone' |
| 23:32.45 | jnc | should i wait or give it the 9 of death? |
| 23:32.51 | CoreDump|home | sure |
| 23:32.55 | CoreDump|home | fire away |
| 23:33.07 | jnc | death to monotone process |
| 23:33.11 | jnc | it has done my bidding |
| 23:33.45 | jnc | monotone: error: sqlite error: 1: database disk image is malformed |
| 23:33.49 | jnc | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:34.00 | jnc | jnc@baker:~/opensource/openzaurus$ file oe.db |
| 23:34.00 | jnc | oe.db: SQLite database (Version 3) |
| 23:34.10 | jnc | after i mv OE.db oe.db |
| 23:35.15 | CoreDump|home | the OE.db from the server should be fine |
| 23:35.30 | CoreDump|home | whats your monotone version? |
| 23:35.32 | jnc | will try one more time, following wiki |
| 23:35.43 | jnc | jnc@baker:~$ monotone --version |
| 23:35.43 | jnc | monotone 0.24 (base revision: d59847072bb689e952ab21db7f9fababdb80a19f) |
| 23:36.16 | CoreDump|home | ok, same here |
| 23:36.38 | CoreDump|home | down to the revision actually lol |
| 23:36.44 | jnc | hah |
| 23:37.11 | jnc | i could upgrade to 0.25 if needed, by making a deb from debian source package (http://venge.net/monotone/downloads/) |
| 23:37.29 | jnc | i don't see 0.25 there nevermind on that |
| 23:37.39 | jnc | bunzip2 OE.db.bz2 |
| 23:37.50 | jnc | mv OE.db oe.db |
| 23:37.56 | jnc | now for steps 6 and 7 |
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| 23:38.41 | CoreDump|home | nah .24 is working fine here |
| 23:38.54 | jnc | do i want --branch=org.openembedded.dev ? |
| 23:39.25 | CoreDump|home | well no |
| 23:39.30 | CoreDump|home | sec |
| 23:39.58 | CoreDump|home | org.openembedded.oz354fam083 that's your branch |
| 23:40.39 | CoreDump|home | same branch in step 7 |
| 23:41.00 | CoreDump|home | mehhh |
| 23:41.08 | CoreDump|home | SDL is b0rked in 3.5.4 wtf |
| 23:43.30 | jnc | CD, nice, it's all updated now |
| 23:43.39 | jnc | took like 2 seconds versus the 5 hours otherwise :) |
| 23:43.51 | CoreDump|home | heh |
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| 23:52.22 | jnc | okay |
| 23:52.35 | jnc | what tells the build system to use an appropriate compiler version? |
| 23:52.43 | jnc | i only have gcc-4.0 installed |
| 23:52.45 | CoreDump|home | DISTRO |
| 23:52.48 | jnc | ohh |
| 23:52.54 | CoreDump|home | nahh |
| 23:52.55 | jnc | okay which compiler should i install then |
| 23:53.08 | CoreDump|home | *everything*needed willbecompiled by OE |
| 23:53.16 | jnc | really? even the compiler huh |
| 23:53.17 | CoreDump|home | you don't need ggc3 on your host |
| 23:53.26 | jnc | that's pretty neat |
| 23:53.27 | CoreDump|home | i hope hah |
| 23:53.35 | jnc | =) |
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| 23:57.03 | jnc | okay |
| 23:57.16 | jnc | i'm all prepped. which task should i be compiling ? i'm a fan of GPE |
| 23:57.30 | jnc | i would be willing to test out GPE, Q stuff, E, whatever letter |
| 23:57.43 | jnc | the Zc3k has been sitting doing nothing for 2 months |
| 23:57.54 | jnc | it is too expensive to continue on as a paperweight :) |
| 23:58.24 | CoreDump|home | lets run a test first |
| 23:58.39 | CoreDump|home | compile something simple |
| 23:58.47 | CoreDump|home | like nano or so |
| 23:58.52 | jnc | bitbake nano |
| 23:59.14 | CoreDump|home | jep |
| 23:59.42 | jnc | one sec, it says psyco isn't there |
| 23:59.44 | jnc | going to install that |