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04:32.09 | grendal_prime | hey guys hows it hanging? |
04:32.21 | grendal_prime | sooo i got my new holux gps ultra |
04:32.31 | Luke-Jr | can you get me one? =p |
04:32.36 | grendal_prime | hehehe |
04:32.52 | grendal_prime | was cheep actually took forever to get here though |
04:32.52 | Luke-Jr | does it work? |
04:32.56 | grendal_prime | dont know |
04:33.10 | Luke-Jr | well, get me one and I'll try to see if I can make it work =p |
04:33.33 | grendal_prime | was going to ask if there was a quick and dirty app to check it with..i know slightly more than dick on the subject |
04:33.37 | Luke-Jr | not that I have time to give it a good attempt, actually :/ |
04:33.46 | Luke-Jr | shrug. try gpsdrive |
04:33.57 | grendal_prime | opie |
04:34.01 | Luke-Jr | eww |
04:34.23 | Luke-Jr | What Z? |
04:34.28 | grendal_prime | 5500 |
04:34.30 | Luke-Jr | eww |
04:34.31 | Luke-Jr | um |
04:34.40 | Luke-Jr | what kind of GPS is it? |
04:34.44 | Luke-Jr | not USB, obviously... |
04:34.50 | grendal_prime | ive got several gps apps installed |
04:34.55 | grendal_prime | its cf |
04:34.59 | Luke-Jr | ok |
04:35.11 | Luke-Jr | plug it in and paste the last bits of 'dmesg' on pastebin.com |
04:35.18 | Luke-Jr | run dmesg in a terminal |
04:35.39 | grendal_prime | it may just work...it recognizes it as a bluetooth sleve? |
04:35.43 | grendal_prime | ok hold on |
04:35.48 | Luke-Jr | wtf? it's bluetooth? |
04:36.37 | grendal_prime | compaq ipaq blooth sleeve is what the cf reporter deally bobber says |
04:36.58 | Luke-Jr | is it one piece or two? |
04:38.27 | grendal_prime | one |
04:38.39 | Luke-Jr | ok, then it confuses me =p |
04:38.57 | grendal_prime | brb |
04:47.07 | jnc | umm, anybody awake that knows how to build OZ ? |
04:47.22 | jnc | i'm on amd64 and want to build the 3.5.4 branc |
04:47.25 | jnc | branch, evne |
04:53.40 | mnm | Is there anybody nice enough with the proper sdk do me a BIG favor and compile for me a compatible binary of a patched hostap driver module that I have for the vanilla 3.5.3 OZ collie kernel for a Zaurus 5500? :) |
04:54.08 | jnc | !VOTEKICK mnm |
04:54.09 | cdbot | jnc: Dunno? |
04:54.16 | mnm | ? |
04:54.59 | mnm | i thought it was a support channel and nice people with kind hearts.. :( |
04:55.31 | jnc | yes |
04:55.38 | jnc | not sheep to be slaughtered |
04:55.47 | mnm | ok good |
04:56.17 | jnc | cdbot: trouble is, the build requires a 2.4.20 kernel be built, and that needs gcc 2.95 |
04:56.38 | jnc | my host is amd64. so, the problem for me is that gcc 2.95 does not build on amd64 host |
04:56.58 | mnm | this is about my request or I'm out of it... |
04:57.28 | cdbot | jnc: Don't know, don't care |
04:57.45 | jnc | oh |
04:57.50 | mnm | heh |
04:58.53 | mnm | Well if anybody likes to take up my request just gimme a holler. I'll be around... |
04:59.02 | mnm | Thanks |
04:59.55 | grendal_prime | grrr |
05:00.05 | grendal_prime | i think its working i just cant figure out what tty its on |
05:00.14 | jnc | what is 'it' |
05:00.39 | grendal_prime | gps |
05:00.52 | grendal_prime | holux ultra |
05:01.00 | grendal_prime | gm270 |
05:01.43 | jnc | ohhh no kidding |
05:01.48 | jnc | i've got a gpslim236 |
05:01.53 | jnc | i like it a lot' |
05:02.48 | grendal_prime | this is a cf card on a 5500 |
05:02.59 | jnc | okay |
05:03.01 | grendal_prime | any advice for configureing the thing would be appreciated |
05:03.19 | jnc | the GPSlim236 needed to talk to gpsd before it would spit out NEMA |
05:03.43 | jnc | i would diagnose your card to make sure it works on another system first, if possible and convenient |
05:03.55 | grendal_prime | what system? |
05:04.04 | jnc | maybe a windows box |
05:04.06 | grendal_prime | i have a laptop with a pcmcia |
05:04.14 | grendal_prime | dont have a single windows system here |
05:04.15 | johnX | jnc: if you don't have any luck finding gcc-2.95 compiled for amd64 you might try some of the stuff here: https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html#id271960 |
05:04.26 | jnc | johnX: okay |
05:04.35 | grendal_prime | see this jnc http://midtoad.homelinux.org/wp/index.php?p=9 |
05:04.45 | jnc | johnX: it seems though no one thinks gcc 2.95 can be made to compile on amd64 |
05:04.46 | grendal_prime | that is the exact screen i have in front of me.. |
05:04.49 | jnc | which may be true |
05:05.55 | johnX | if you're really lucky, after installing ia32-libs you might be able to just run the i386 binaries |
05:06.12 | grendal_prime | now question is will gpsd talk to it if it is unable to get a fix. because im inside right now |
05:08.50 | jnc | johnX: hmm |
05:09.18 | jnc | johnX: okay that being said, maybe i can grab a build from someone else |
05:09.39 | johnX | what system are you compiling for? |
05:09.40 | jnc | amd64 is obviously not a supported build platform for the 3.5.4 branch |
05:09.59 | johnX | and are you intentionally building the kernel? or is it just getting pulled in? |
05:10.01 | jnc | since the 3.5.4 branch requires 2.4.20 kernel, which needs the gcc 2.95 to build |
05:10.09 | jnc | it's being pulled in |
05:10.22 | jnc | 2.6.x kernels do not exist (AFAIK) in the 3.5.4 oz branch |
05:10.36 | jnc | which is what i want to target, and file bug reports against |
05:10.47 | grendal_prime | ya this is going to make me crazy |
05:11.06 | johnX | jnc: yeah, I skipped ahead to the 2.6 kernel and all the latest stuff |
05:11.20 | jnc | johnX: i heard that HEAD was borked, to stay away from it |
05:11.32 | johnX | I think I'm on the prebreakage tag |
05:11.36 | johnX | or whatever the heck |
05:11.59 | johnX | anyways, I built 2.6.15+GPE for my C1000 the other day |
05:12.16 | johnX | after quick fix from RP over in #oe last night everything works swell |
05:12.25 | jnc | hm |
05:12.32 | jnc | sounds good |
05:13.02 | johnX | here...I'm gonna take a crack at running gcc-2.95 arm-cross compiler on my Athlon 64 |
05:13.12 | jnc | it's not going to work |
05:13.21 | johnX | well I have a chroot :) |
05:13.25 | jnc | ohhh |
05:14.00 | jnc | i have a chroot for things like macromedia flash web browser plugin, and mplayer win32 codecs |
05:14.34 | johnX | download this http://handhelds.org/download/projects/toolchain/archive/cross-2.95.3.tar.bz2 |
05:14.59 | johnX | unpack it somewhere and run ./2.95.3/bin/arm-linux-gcc --version |
05:14.59 | jnc | hm |
05:15.11 | johnX | get the ia32-libs package if you don't have it |
05:15.15 | jnc | the alternative is to supplant the 2.4.20 kernel with a 2.6.x one |
05:15.27 | jnc | which i think may be more desirable to me |
05:15.48 | johnX | what Zaurus are you compiling for? |
05:16.00 | jnc | spizt |
05:16.30 | jnc | Sharp Zaurus C3000 (spitz) |
05:16.33 | johnX | yeah 2.6 should be fine on that |
05:16.48 | jnc | i've got a 2.6.x kernel on my hardware now, it's just the rest of the OS that is fubar |
05:16.56 | johnX | ah |
05:17.14 | johnX | and you can get around that nicely if you just compile your own image at the same time as the kernel |
05:17.50 | jnc | err? what do you mean by that |
05:18.11 | johnX | mixing and matching a kernel image here and a fs image here doesn't work to well |
05:18.29 | johnX | so building them from the same source tree at the same time ensures they "match" |
05:18.33 | johnX | that's all I meant |
05:18.45 | jnc | ohhhh |
05:18.49 | johnX | however, if you really want to bug test for 3.5.4 you'll want a 2.4 kernel I think, because AFAIK 3.5.4 will ship with 2.4 and 2.6 will be a later addon |
05:18.57 | jnc | hm |
05:19.16 | jnc | shoot, so i should really be finding a way to build this in a chroot huh |
05:19.48 | johnX | on my ubuntu 5.10 machine I can run gcc 2.95 arm-cross compiler outside of chroot |
05:20.15 | johnX | if you download that package I linked, and follow the directions here, you should be fine: http://oe.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/ZaurusKernels |
05:20.37 | johnX | ubuntu 5.10 on an Athlon 64 I should say |
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05:30.24 | Luke-Jr | johnX: 1. GCC 2.95 does not work on x86_64 |
05:30.33 | Luke-Jr | johnX: 2. you shouldn't ever need or use GCC 2.95 |
05:30.49 | johnX | what about to build the 2.4 kernel? |
05:30.59 | Luke-Jr | OZ has used 2.6 kernels for nearly a year now |
05:31.14 | Luke-Jr | IIRC |
05:31.18 | Luke-Jr | certainly 6 months |
05:31.20 | johnX | not on all machines |
05:31.26 | Luke-Jr | all machines worth owning |
05:31.30 | johnX | heh |
05:31.39 | johnX | so a 5500 and a C1000 aren't worth owning? |
05:31.48 | Luke-Jr | C1000 works w/ 2.6 fine, IIRC |
05:31.58 | Luke-Jr | 5500 isn't, no |
05:31.58 | johnX | right, which happened just a bit ago |
05:32.06 | Luke-Jr | C1000's release was just a bit ago |
05:32.34 | johnX | until mid december 2.6 on the C1000 was pretty buggy |
05:32.56 | Luke-Jr | either way |
05:33.10 | johnX | 3.5.4 will be released with a 2.4 kernel for the C1000, C3000, and C3100 |
05:33.11 | Luke-Jr | just backup your /lib/modules to /home somewhere when installing a new image |
05:33.15 | Luke-Jr | and restore it after |
05:33.50 | webmind | any idea when it will be released ? |
05:34.01 | johnX | http://openzaurus.org/wordpress/2006/01/09/openzaurus-354-release-plans/ |
05:34.13 | johnX | no clue |
05:34.31 | Luke-Jr | BTW, if anyone here wants to build GPE on a x86_64 box |
05:34.45 | Luke-Jr | you'll need to either hack sqlite-2* or copy an ipk from somewhere else |
05:35.23 | Luke-Jr | mainly because sqlite-2 doesn't cross-compile correctly |
05:35.43 | Luke-Jr | and it detects sizeof(char*) = 8 (on x86_64) where sizeof(char*) on ARM is 4 |
05:35.55 | Luke-Jr | so the resulting ipk will not work |
05:36.20 | johnX | oh, and FWIW gcc-2.95 runs fine on x86_64, provided ia32-libs are installed (if you're on debian or ubuntu) |
05:36.35 | Luke-Jr | no, GCC 2.95 only runs on x86_32 |
05:36.45 | Luke-Jr | you are most likely putting your CPU into x86_32 mode for that |
05:37.11 | johnX | ok, but either way it can be made to run outside of a 32-bit chroot |
05:37.25 | Luke-Jr | only if your system is dual x86_64 and x86_32 |
05:37.33 | Luke-Jr | it won't work on a x86_64 only system |
05:37.50 | johnX | are there any x86_64 only systems? |
05:37.56 | Luke-Jr | mine is one example |
05:37.59 | jnc | mine is |
05:38.00 | Luke-Jr | I'm sure it's not alone |
05:38.10 | jnc | i mean, i have amd64 but i don't use the ia32 compat stuff |
05:38.16 | Luke-Jr | dual systems use twice the disk space |
05:38.22 | johnX | not really |
05:38.25 | Luke-Jr | yes, really |
05:38.34 | Luke-Jr | you need libraries built for both x86_64 and x86_32 |
05:39.05 | johnX | yes, but you don't need *all* the libraries for everything, just the stuff you need to run the app you want |
05:40.15 | jnc | the goal is to have a kernel 2.6.x which eliminates need for gcc-2.95 yes? |
05:40.22 | johnX | eventually |
05:40.24 | Luke-Jr | pretty much |
05:40.46 | Luke-Jr | the only reason I can see to use a 2.4 kernel these days is if you need a microphone |
05:40.59 | Luke-Jr | that's not working in 2.6 yet |
05:41.10 | johnX | or if you're testing for the 3.5.4 release or if you have a 5500 :) |
05:41.59 | Luke-Jr | ah, sad |
05:42.10 | johnX | well I have a C1000 too |
05:42.19 | Luke-Jr | my OZ fork is optimized and only runs on SL-C models |
05:42.40 | Luke-Jr | Cxx0, mainly, though I imagine Cxk wouldn't be too difficult to add |
05:42.58 | johnX | what is so different that you needed to fork it? |
05:43.15 | Luke-Jr | but when/if I get a Cxk, I wouldn't be cross compiling for it |
05:43.36 | Luke-Jr | johnX: for a start, optimizing my packages |
05:43.49 | Luke-Jr | OpenSSH instead of Dropbear |
05:44.01 | Luke-Jr | stuff like that |
05:44.17 | johnX | yeah, I gave up on dropbear too |
05:44.29 | johnX | one of the first things I do on a new image is kill dropbear and install openssh |
05:44.44 | Luke-Jr | there were more differences back a few months, when GPE images weren't too nice w/ OZ |
05:45.11 | Luke-Jr | Like including firefox and killing keylaunch (which broke the image at the time) |
05:45.22 | Luke-Jr | and gpe-appmgr |
05:45.26 | grendal_prime | ok this is interesting |
05:45.34 | grendal_prime | it works with cumulus |
05:45.36 | Luke-Jr | ? |
05:45.54 | grendal_prime | set to /dev/ttyS3 |
05:45.55 | Luke-Jr | BTW, it's fun to run KDE on the Z ;) |
05:46.14 | Luke-Jr | well, to use it anyway |
05:46.21 | johnX | I'm gonna try and make the e17 image compile |
05:46.24 | Luke-Jr | haven't been able to crosscompile it yet (and thus not run it) |
05:46.25 | johnX | that should be interesting |
05:46.48 | grendal_prime | Luke-Jr, i tried that it was weird |
05:46.51 | Luke-Jr | but just from running it on the Z's X display, it looks nice |
05:46.57 | grendal_prime | the kde bit on my 5500 |
05:47.09 | Luke-Jr | grendal_prime: I'm still stuck on getting kdelibs-dcop-native to build |
05:47.19 | Luke-Jr | I don't expect KDE would ever fit on a 5500... |
05:47.20 | grendal_prime | i dont think you can |
05:47.20 | jnc | Luke-Jr: i may sell my C3000 |
05:47.27 | Luke-Jr | jnc: ? |
05:47.39 | jnc | it's like ten thousand geek points |
05:47.41 | jnc | but uh |
05:47.48 | jnc | i can't see myself putting it to good use |
05:47.58 | Luke-Jr | install a full blown OS on it ;) |
05:48.03 | Luke-Jr | fork Gentoo |
05:48.04 | grendal_prime | i need a backup gps for the plane |
05:48.27 | johnX | that's a painful thought...stage 1 self-hosting install on a zaurus |
05:48.35 | Luke-Jr | hehe |
05:48.40 | johnX | building images takes long enough on my 800 Athlon |
05:48.55 | Luke-Jr | well, that's why the OS I'm working on supports and encourages peer-to-peer distributed compiling ;) |
05:49.21 | jnc | the crap for networking built into the Z disturbs me |
05:49.23 | grendal_prime | the 5500 is perfect size. i need to get the gps app working...i have the entire os running from sd, so i can back it all up and have a second copy of it just in case |
05:49.39 | johnX | that's pretty slick |
05:49.41 | jnc | i've got a DWL-660 wifi card and USB host cable adapter |
05:49.44 | jnc | etc. |
05:49.52 | jnc | it's too unwieldly IMO |
05:50.07 | grendal_prime | the thing fits perfect in my flight jacket incase the console in the plane croaks..(which it has done in the past) |
05:50.14 | Luke-Jr | jnc: add WiFi internally? |
05:50.38 | jnc | Luke-Jr: no space, really |
05:50.54 | jnc | Luke-Jr: adding bluetooth internally has been discussed and it may be possible |
05:50.55 | Luke-Jr | jnc: IIRC, someone on the forum was looking at adding it |
05:51.03 | jnc | if you replace the internal drive |
05:51.13 | jnc | hmm yeah |
05:51.15 | Luke-Jr | via a second USB host connection |
05:51.26 | Luke-Jr | that's apparently in the Cxk chips |
05:51.36 | jnc | oh, far out |
05:51.57 | jnc | know where i might get a shorter more concise USB host cable? |
05:52.01 | Luke-Jr | so add a USB wifi dongle to that and you've got builtin wireless |
05:52.08 | jnc | the one i have is a GoldX, it sticks out too far |
05:52.20 | Luke-Jr | Walmart sells USB adapters... |
05:52.50 | jnc | um. i'm looking for a one piece USB mini A male to USB A female |
05:52.58 | Luke-Jr | right |
05:53.01 | Luke-Jr | I think that's in the set |
05:53.09 | grendal_prime | this thing picks up 4 sats even when im inside the house |
05:53.14 | Luke-Jr | it has a USB extention cable and onepiece adapters for all the sizes |
05:53.18 | jnc | the ones i saw were all changeable ends and stuff |
05:53.21 | jnc | ohh hmm |
05:53.33 | grendal_prime | but why the hell does one app see it and not the other |
05:53.43 | jnc | i'd really like one that is flexible, like the iRiver host cable |
05:53.47 | Luke-Jr | hm |
05:54.30 | jnc | i think i'm going to hook up a Model M keyboard to my zaurus |
05:54.34 | Luke-Jr | lol |
05:54.37 | jnc | i know the USB adapter to use |
05:54.49 | jnc | there is only one USB ps2 adapter that will do it right |
05:54.55 | Luke-Jr | oh |
05:55.05 | jnc | the Model M fan site sells them for $50usd and up |
05:55.07 | Luke-Jr | honestly, I just want one of those Apple USB keyboards w/ side ports |
05:55.10 | jnc | but they are cheap if you know what they are |
05:56.11 | jnc | side ports? |
05:56.19 | jnc | the apple pro keyboards? |
05:56.21 | Luke-Jr | on the left/right of the kb, there's USB ports |
05:57.09 | Luke-Jr | you can never have enough USB ports ;) |
05:57.14 | Luke-Jr | I've got all 8 of mine filled |
05:57.19 | jnc | yeah |
05:57.32 | johnX | anyone here have a video player working under GPE? |
05:57.42 | jnc | it's a shame USB fucking sucks with recent linux kernels on desktop hardware *sigh* |
05:57.56 | jnc | it hasn't worked right since kernel 2.6.5 |
05:58.16 | jnc | and i swear it gets worse with each kernel release |
05:58.37 | Luke-Jr | jnc: eh? news to me |
05:58.41 | jnc | oh um |
05:58.45 | Luke-Jr | johnX: haven't tried, sorry |
05:58.53 | jnc | urb request failures are the new cool, apparently |
05:58.55 | Luke-Jr | jnc: you're not using the USB Block Device grab? |
05:59.04 | Luke-Jr | crap* |
05:59.08 | grendal_prime | ok sys log reports the device is being pluged in... reports it as ttys03 at port 0xc48503f8 (irq =35) |
05:59.36 | grendal_prime | but cumulus sees the card at ttys3 now is that odd or is that pretty normal? |
05:59.51 | Luke-Jr | normal/expected |
06:01.14 | Luke-Jr | what's happening is that the kernel is naming it ttyS03 |
06:01.18 | Luke-Jr | but udev is calling it ttyS3 |
06:01.53 | grendal_prime | ok well when i put in ttys3 on qpeGPS does not see it, however cumulus does |
06:01.55 | jnc | Luke-Jr: i have many devices with USB; 6 channel audio, midi interfaces, serial GPS converter, several input devices, bluetooth adapter, storage devices |
06:02.21 | Luke-Jr | jnc: I don't know what my USB ports are doing, I just know they're filled |
06:02.30 | Luke-Jr | grendal_prime: capitalize it properly |
06:03.26 | jnc | Luke-Jr: it's been a losing battle since kernel 2.6.5; as of kernel 2.6.15 all non-input USB devices are rendered useless |
06:04.01 | Luke-Jr | jnc: er... good thing I haven't upgraded |
06:04.05 | grendal_prime | with the cap S ya that is right |
06:04.47 | jnc | Luke-Jr: kernel 2.6.11 was acceptable functionally with USB, other things were broken for amd64 though |
06:05.57 | Luke-Jr | OS: GNU/Linux 2.6.14-gentoo-r2-ljr/x86_64 - CPU: 1 x AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3200+ (2202.883 MHz) - Processes: 218 - Uptime: 6d 23h 53m - Users: 31 - Load Average: 3.29 - Memory Usage: 2088MB/1003MB (208%) |
06:08.03 | jnc | 208%? |
06:08.14 | Luke-Jr | yup :\ |
06:08.19 | Luke-Jr | 1 gig just isn't enough |
06:08.29 | jnc | what the hell does that mean |
06:08.47 | Luke-Jr | 2.08 times total RAM |
06:09.05 | jnc | what, that includes swap? |
06:09.07 | Luke-Jr | yes |
06:09.11 | jnc | ah] |
06:09.14 | Luke-Jr | it's usage |
06:09.31 | Luke-Jr | I've got 5 GB swap activated now |
06:10.57 | jnc | that's a lot |
06:11.11 | jnc | what do you do that requires such a great deal of memory? |
06:12.54 | Luke-Jr | jnc: I'm a multitasker |
06:13.12 | Luke-Jr | on my IRC/OE virtual desktop alone, I have 8 windows open |
06:13.29 | Luke-Jr | and I've got nearly 20 virtual desktops, about 10 of which are used on average |
06:14.47 | jnc | short ass attention span wow |
06:14.55 | Luke-Jr | though I suspect my memory goes to unknown places too |
06:15.16 | jnc | the most workspaces i've needed to fill was about six |
06:15.18 | Luke-Jr | even before I start X on a fresh boot, there's around 200 MB used IIRC |
06:15.23 | jnc | it was way too much |
06:15.38 | Luke-Jr | I often get one desktop waiting on a long process |
06:15.44 | Luke-Jr | and go off to another |
06:15.56 | Luke-Jr | or I'm just doing tons of crap at once ;) |
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06:17.06 | johnX | I farm off long term processes to entirely different machines |
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06:24.52 | jnc | i think i may end up building inside the chroot |
06:24.54 | jnc | *sigh* |
06:30.55 | grendal_prime | ok this is making me fkn crazy |
06:31.10 | grendal_prime | makes no sence what so ever |
06:34.20 | johnX | jnc, did you try installing ia32-libs and running gcc-arm ( or whatever it's called)? |
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06:59.36 | jnc | johnX: i'm not going to muddle my system up with 32-bit code support |
06:59.52 | jnc | johnX: i will likely just run a chroot |
06:59.55 | jnc | get'r'done |
07:00.00 | johnX | whatever you say |
07:00.50 | johnX | all I can say is I've had ia32-libs installed on ubuntu here for months with no problem |
07:00.57 | johnX | but of course it's your choice |
07:01.30 | jnc | the point is that i know why this build process is failing |
07:01.54 | johnX | ah |
07:01.59 | jnc | really, there should be some logic to tell users that the reason it failed is that gcc-2.95 is not buildable on amd64 |
07:02.20 | johnX | bitbake has some rough edges ;) |
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07:09.18 | jnc | hmm what's that URL for how to build OZ? |
07:09.24 | jnc | i lost it, google isn't much help |
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07:12.07 | jnc | johnX: http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/OpenZaurus ... what's the URL for the page that shows you steps needed to build OZ? |
07:12.25 | jnc | i can't seem to remember/find it |
07:13.06 | johnX | http://oe.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/GettingStarted |
07:13.31 | johnX | is that what you mean? |
07:13.57 | jnc | ah yes! |
07:14.10 | jnc | perfect, thank yo |
07:14.16 | jnc | u$ |
07:27.35 | johnX | I'm off to sleep, stayed up way too late last night |
07:27.41 | johnX | 'night all |
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07:44.08 | jnc | okay, bitbake nano is rolling in an ia32 chroot |
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08:48.07 | XorA | morning |
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09:09.37 | NetAmp | ibot slashdot |
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09:38.38 | XorA | yo alan |
09:38.59 | alan|laptop | hey XorA |
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04:32.09 | grendal_prime | hey guys hows it hanging? |
04:32.21 | grendal_prime | sooo i got my new holux gps ultra |
04:32.31 | Luke-Jr | can you get me one? =p |
04:32.36 | grendal_prime | hehehe |
04:32.52 | grendal_prime | was cheep actually took forever to get here though |
04:32.52 | Luke-Jr | does it work? |
04:32.56 | grendal_prime | dont know |
04:33.10 | Luke-Jr | well, get me one and I'll try to see if I can make it work =p |
04:33.33 | grendal_prime | was going to ask if there was a quick and dirty app to check it with..i know slightly more than dick on the subject |
04:33.37 | Luke-Jr | not that I have time to give it a good attempt, actually :/ |
04:33.46 | Luke-Jr | shrug. try gpsdrive |
04:33.57 | grendal_prime | opie |
04:34.01 | Luke-Jr | eww |
04:34.23 | Luke-Jr | What Z? |
04:34.28 | grendal_prime | 5500 |
04:34.30 | Luke-Jr | eww |
04:34.31 | Luke-Jr | um |
04:34.40 | Luke-Jr | what kind of GPS is it? |
04:34.44 | Luke-Jr | not USB, obviously... |
04:34.50 | grendal_prime | ive got several gps apps installed |
04:34.55 | grendal_prime | its cf |
04:34.59 | Luke-Jr | ok |
04:35.11 | Luke-Jr | plug it in and paste the last bits of 'dmesg' on pastebin.com |
04:35.18 | Luke-Jr | run dmesg in a terminal |
04:35.39 | grendal_prime | it may just work...it recognizes it as a bluetooth sleve? |
04:35.43 | grendal_prime | ok hold on |
04:35.48 | Luke-Jr | wtf? it's bluetooth? |
04:36.37 | grendal_prime | compaq ipaq blooth sleeve is what the cf reporter deally bobber says |
04:36.58 | Luke-Jr | is it one piece or two? |
04:38.27 | grendal_prime | one |
04:38.39 | Luke-Jr | ok, then it confuses me =p |
04:38.57 | grendal_prime | brb |
04:47.07 | jnc | umm, anybody awake that knows how to build OZ ? |
04:47.22 | jnc | i'm on amd64 and want to build the 3.5.4 branc |
04:47.25 | jnc | branch, evne |
04:53.40 | mnm | Is there anybody nice enough with the proper sdk do me a BIG favor and compile for me a compatible binary of a patched hostap driver module that I have for the vanilla 3.5.3 OZ collie kernel for a Zaurus 5500? :) |
04:54.08 | jnc | !VOTEKICK mnm |
04:54.09 | cdbot | jnc: Dunno? |
04:54.16 | mnm | ? |
04:54.59 | mnm | i thought it was a support channel and nice people with kind hearts.. :( |
04:55.31 | jnc | yes |
04:55.38 | jnc | not sheep to be slaughtered |
04:55.47 | mnm | ok good |
04:56.17 | jnc | cdbot: trouble is, the build requires a 2.4.20 kernel be built, and that needs gcc 2.95 |
04:56.38 | jnc | my host is amd64. so, the problem for me is that gcc 2.95 does not build on amd64 host |
04:56.58 | mnm | this is about my request or I'm out of it... |
04:57.28 | cdbot | jnc: Don't know, don't care |
04:57.45 | jnc | oh |
04:57.50 | mnm | heh |
04:58.53 | mnm | Well if anybody likes to take up my request just gimme a holler. I'll be around... |
04:59.02 | mnm | Thanks |
04:59.55 | grendal_prime | grrr |
05:00.05 | grendal_prime | i think its working i just cant figure out what tty its on |
05:00.14 | jnc | what is 'it' |
05:00.39 | grendal_prime | gps |
05:00.52 | grendal_prime | holux ultra |
05:01.00 | grendal_prime | gm270 |
05:01.43 | jnc | ohhh no kidding |
05:01.48 | jnc | i've got a gpslim236 |
05:01.53 | jnc | i like it a lot' |
05:02.48 | grendal_prime | this is a cf card on a 5500 |
05:02.59 | jnc | okay |
05:03.01 | grendal_prime | any advice for configureing the thing would be appreciated |
05:03.19 | jnc | the GPSlim236 needed to talk to gpsd before it would spit out NEMA |
05:03.43 | jnc | i would diagnose your card to make sure it works on another system first, if possible and convenient |
05:03.55 | grendal_prime | what system? |
05:04.04 | jnc | maybe a windows box |
05:04.06 | grendal_prime | i have a laptop with a pcmcia |
05:04.14 | grendal_prime | dont have a single windows system here |
05:04.15 | johnX | jnc: if you don't have any luck finding gcc-2.95 compiled for amd64 you might try some of the stuff here: https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html#id271960 |
05:04.26 | jnc | johnX: okay |
05:04.35 | grendal_prime | see this jnc http://midtoad.homelinux.org/wp/index.php?p=9 |
05:04.45 | jnc | johnX: it seems though no one thinks gcc 2.95 can be made to compile on amd64 |
05:04.46 | grendal_prime | that is the exact screen i have in front of me.. |
05:04.49 | jnc | which may be true |
05:05.55 | johnX | if you're really lucky, after installing ia32-libs you might be able to just run the i386 binaries |
05:06.12 | grendal_prime | now question is will gpsd talk to it if it is unable to get a fix. because im inside right now |
05:08.50 | jnc | johnX: hmm |
05:09.18 | jnc | johnX: okay that being said, maybe i can grab a build from someone else |
05:09.39 | johnX | what system are you compiling for? |
05:09.40 | jnc | amd64 is obviously not a supported build platform for the 3.5.4 branch |
05:09.59 | johnX | and are you intentionally building the kernel? or is it just getting pulled in? |
05:10.01 | jnc | since the 3.5.4 branch requires 2.4.20 kernel, which needs the gcc 2.95 to build |
05:10.09 | jnc | it's being pulled in |
05:10.22 | jnc | 2.6.x kernels do not exist (AFAIK) in the 3.5.4 oz branch |
05:10.36 | jnc | which is what i want to target, and file bug reports against |
05:10.47 | grendal_prime | ya this is going to make me crazy |
05:11.06 | johnX | jnc: yeah, I skipped ahead to the 2.6 kernel and all the latest stuff |
05:11.20 | jnc | johnX: i heard that HEAD was borked, to stay away from it |
05:11.32 | johnX | I think I'm on the prebreakage tag |
05:11.36 | johnX | or whatever the heck |
05:11.59 | johnX | anyways, I built 2.6.15+GPE for my C1000 the other day |
05:12.16 | johnX | after quick fix from RP over in #oe last night everything works swell |
05:12.25 | jnc | hm |
05:12.32 | jnc | sounds good |
05:13.02 | johnX | here...I'm gonna take a crack at running gcc-2.95 arm-cross compiler on my Athlon 64 |
05:13.12 | jnc | it's not going to work |
05:13.21 | johnX | well I have a chroot :) |
05:13.25 | jnc | ohhh |
05:14.00 | jnc | i have a chroot for things like macromedia flash web browser plugin, and mplayer win32 codecs |
05:14.34 | johnX | download this http://handhelds.org/download/projects/toolchain/archive/cross-2.95.3.tar.bz2 |
05:14.59 | johnX | unpack it somewhere and run ./2.95.3/bin/arm-linux-gcc --version |
05:14.59 | jnc | hm |
05:15.11 | johnX | get the ia32-libs package if you don't have it |
05:15.15 | jnc | the alternative is to supplant the 2.4.20 kernel with a 2.6.x one |
05:15.27 | jnc | which i think may be more desirable to me |
05:15.48 | johnX | what Zaurus are you compiling for? |
05:16.00 | jnc | spizt |
05:16.30 | jnc | Sharp Zaurus C3000 (spitz) |
05:16.33 | johnX | yeah 2.6 should be fine on that |
05:16.48 | jnc | i've got a 2.6.x kernel on my hardware now, it's just the rest of the OS that is fubar |
05:16.56 | johnX | ah |
05:17.14 | johnX | and you can get around that nicely if you just compile your own image at the same time as the kernel |
05:17.50 | jnc | err? what do you mean by that |
05:18.11 | johnX | mixing and matching a kernel image here and a fs image here doesn't work to well |
05:18.29 | johnX | so building them from the same source tree at the same time ensures they "match" |
05:18.33 | johnX | that's all I meant |
05:18.45 | jnc | ohhhh |
05:18.49 | johnX | however, if you really want to bug test for 3.5.4 you'll want a 2.4 kernel I think, because AFAIK 3.5.4 will ship with 2.4 and 2.6 will be a later addon |
05:18.57 | jnc | hm |
05:19.16 | jnc | shoot, so i should really be finding a way to build this in a chroot huh |
05:19.48 | johnX | on my ubuntu 5.10 machine I can run gcc 2.95 arm-cross compiler outside of chroot |
05:20.15 | johnX | if you download that package I linked, and follow the directions here, you should be fine: http://oe.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/ZaurusKernels |
05:20.37 | johnX | ubuntu 5.10 on an Athlon 64 I should say |
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05:30.24 | Luke-Jr | johnX: 1. GCC 2.95 does not work on x86_64 |
05:30.33 | Luke-Jr | johnX: 2. you shouldn't ever need or use GCC 2.95 |
05:30.49 | johnX | what about to build the 2.4 kernel? |
05:30.59 | Luke-Jr | OZ has used 2.6 kernels for nearly a year now |
05:31.14 | Luke-Jr | IIRC |
05:31.18 | Luke-Jr | certainly 6 months |
05:31.20 | johnX | not on all machines |
05:31.26 | Luke-Jr | all machines worth owning |
05:31.30 | johnX | heh |
05:31.39 | johnX | so a 5500 and a C1000 aren't worth owning? |
05:31.48 | Luke-Jr | C1000 works w/ 2.6 fine, IIRC |
05:31.58 | Luke-Jr | 5500 isn't, no |
05:31.58 | johnX | right, which happened just a bit ago |
05:32.06 | Luke-Jr | C1000's release was just a bit ago |
05:32.34 | johnX | until mid december 2.6 on the C1000 was pretty buggy |
05:32.56 | Luke-Jr | either way |
05:33.10 | johnX | 3.5.4 will be released with a 2.4 kernel for the C1000, C3000, and C3100 |
05:33.11 | Luke-Jr | just backup your /lib/modules to /home somewhere when installing a new image |
05:33.15 | Luke-Jr | and restore it after |
05:33.50 | webmind | any idea when it will be released ? |
05:34.01 | johnX | http://openzaurus.org/wordpress/2006/01/09/openzaurus-354-release-plans/ |
05:34.13 | johnX | no clue |
05:34.31 | Luke-Jr | BTW, if anyone here wants to build GPE on a x86_64 box |
05:34.45 | Luke-Jr | you'll need to either hack sqlite-2* or copy an ipk from somewhere else |
05:35.23 | Luke-Jr | mainly because sqlite-2 doesn't cross-compile correctly |
05:35.43 | Luke-Jr | and it detects sizeof(char*) = 8 (on x86_64) where sizeof(char*) on ARM is 4 |
05:35.55 | Luke-Jr | so the resulting ipk will not work |
05:36.20 | johnX | oh, and FWIW gcc-2.95 runs fine on x86_64, provided ia32-libs are installed (if you're on debian or ubuntu) |
05:36.35 | Luke-Jr | no, GCC 2.95 only runs on x86_32 |
05:36.45 | Luke-Jr | you are most likely putting your CPU into x86_32 mode for that |
05:37.11 | johnX | ok, but either way it can be made to run outside of a 32-bit chroot |
05:37.25 | Luke-Jr | only if your system is dual x86_64 and x86_32 |
05:37.33 | Luke-Jr | it won't work on a x86_64 only system |
05:37.50 | johnX | are there any x86_64 only systems? |
05:37.56 | Luke-Jr | mine is one example |
05:37.59 | jnc | mine is |
05:38.00 | Luke-Jr | I'm sure it's not alone |
05:38.10 | jnc | i mean, i have amd64 but i don't use the ia32 compat stuff |
05:38.16 | Luke-Jr | dual systems use twice the disk space |
05:38.22 | johnX | not really |
05:38.25 | Luke-Jr | yes, really |
05:38.34 | Luke-Jr | you need libraries built for both x86_64 and x86_32 |
05:39.05 | johnX | yes, but you don't need *all* the libraries for everything, just the stuff you need to run the app you want |
05:40.15 | jnc | the goal is to have a kernel 2.6.x which eliminates need for gcc-2.95 yes? |
05:40.22 | johnX | eventually |
05:40.24 | Luke-Jr | pretty much |
05:40.46 | Luke-Jr | the only reason I can see to use a 2.4 kernel these days is if you need a microphone |
05:40.59 | Luke-Jr | that's not working in 2.6 yet |
05:41.10 | johnX | or if you're testing for the 3.5.4 release or if you have a 5500 :) |
05:41.59 | Luke-Jr | ah, sad |
05:42.10 | johnX | well I have a C1000 too |
05:42.19 | Luke-Jr | my OZ fork is optimized and only runs on SL-C models |
05:42.40 | Luke-Jr | Cxx0, mainly, though I imagine Cxk wouldn't be too difficult to add |
05:42.58 | johnX | what is so different that you needed to fork it? |
05:43.15 | Luke-Jr | but when/if I get a Cxk, I wouldn't be cross compiling for it |
05:43.36 | Luke-Jr | johnX: for a start, optimizing my packages |
05:43.49 | Luke-Jr | OpenSSH instead of Dropbear |
05:44.01 | Luke-Jr | stuff like that |
05:44.17 | johnX | yeah, I gave up on dropbear too |
05:44.29 | johnX | one of the first things I do on a new image is kill dropbear and install openssh |
05:44.44 | Luke-Jr | there were more differences back a few months, when GPE images weren't too nice w/ OZ |
05:45.11 | Luke-Jr | Like including firefox and killing keylaunch (which broke the image at the time) |
05:45.22 | Luke-Jr | and gpe-appmgr |
05:45.26 | grendal_prime | ok this is interesting |
05:45.34 | grendal_prime | it works with cumulus |
05:45.36 | Luke-Jr | ? |
05:45.54 | grendal_prime | set to /dev/ttyS3 |
05:45.55 | Luke-Jr | BTW, it's fun to run KDE on the Z ;) |
05:46.14 | Luke-Jr | well, to use it anyway |
05:46.21 | johnX | I'm gonna try and make the e17 image compile |
05:46.24 | Luke-Jr | haven't been able to crosscompile it yet (and thus not run it) |
05:46.25 | johnX | that should be interesting |
05:46.48 | grendal_prime | Luke-Jr, i tried that it was weird |
05:46.51 | Luke-Jr | but just from running it on the Z's X display, it looks nice |
05:46.57 | grendal_prime | the kde bit on my 5500 |
05:47.09 | Luke-Jr | grendal_prime: I'm still stuck on getting kdelibs-dcop-native to build |
05:47.19 | Luke-Jr | I don't expect KDE would ever fit on a 5500... |
05:47.20 | grendal_prime | i dont think you can |
05:47.20 | jnc | Luke-Jr: i may sell my C3000 |
05:47.27 | Luke-Jr | jnc: ? |
05:47.39 | jnc | it's like ten thousand geek points |
05:47.41 | jnc | but uh |
05:47.48 | jnc | i can't see myself putting it to good use |
05:47.58 | Luke-Jr | install a full blown OS on it ;) |
05:48.03 | Luke-Jr | fork Gentoo |
05:48.04 | grendal_prime | i need a backup gps for the plane |
05:48.27 | johnX | that's a painful thought...stage 1 self-hosting install on a zaurus |
05:48.35 | Luke-Jr | hehe |
05:48.40 | johnX | building images takes long enough on my 800 Athlon |
05:48.55 | Luke-Jr | well, that's why the OS I'm working on supports and encourages peer-to-peer distributed compiling ;) |
05:49.21 | jnc | the crap for networking built into the Z disturbs me |
05:49.23 | grendal_prime | the 5500 is perfect size. i need to get the gps app working...i have the entire os running from sd, so i can back it all up and have a second copy of it just in case |
05:49.39 | johnX | that's pretty slick |
05:49.41 | jnc | i've got a DWL-660 wifi card and USB host cable adapter |
05:49.44 | jnc | etc. |
05:49.52 | jnc | it's too unwieldly IMO |
05:50.07 | grendal_prime | the thing fits perfect in my flight jacket incase the console in the plane croaks..(which it has done in the past) |
05:50.14 | Luke-Jr | jnc: add WiFi internally? |
05:50.38 | jnc | Luke-Jr: no space, really |
05:50.54 | jnc | Luke-Jr: adding bluetooth internally has been discussed and it may be possible |
05:50.55 | Luke-Jr | jnc: IIRC, someone on the forum was looking at adding it |
05:51.03 | jnc | if you replace the internal drive |
05:51.13 | jnc | hmm yeah |
05:51.15 | Luke-Jr | via a second USB host connection |
05:51.26 | Luke-Jr | that's apparently in the Cxk chips |
05:51.36 | jnc | oh, far out |
05:51.57 | jnc | know where i might get a shorter more concise USB host cable? |
05:52.01 | Luke-Jr | so add a USB wifi dongle to that and you've got builtin wireless |
05:52.08 | jnc | the one i have is a GoldX, it sticks out too far |
05:52.20 | Luke-Jr | Walmart sells USB adapters... |
05:52.50 | jnc | um. i'm looking for a one piece USB mini A male to USB A female |
05:52.58 | Luke-Jr | right |
05:53.01 | Luke-Jr | I think that's in the set |
05:53.09 | grendal_prime | this thing picks up 4 sats even when im inside the house |
05:53.14 | Luke-Jr | it has a USB extention cable and onepiece adapters for all the sizes |
05:53.18 | jnc | the ones i saw were all changeable ends and stuff |
05:53.21 | jnc | ohh hmm |
05:53.33 | grendal_prime | but why the hell does one app see it and not the other |
05:53.43 | jnc | i'd really like one that is flexible, like the iRiver host cable |
05:53.47 | Luke-Jr | hm |
05:54.30 | jnc | i think i'm going to hook up a Model M keyboard to my zaurus |
05:54.34 | Luke-Jr | lol |
05:54.37 | jnc | i know the USB adapter to use |
05:54.49 | jnc | there is only one USB ps2 adapter that will do it right |
05:54.55 | Luke-Jr | oh |
05:55.05 | jnc | the Model M fan site sells them for $50usd and up |
05:55.07 | Luke-Jr | honestly, I just want one of those Apple USB keyboards w/ side ports |
05:55.10 | jnc | but they are cheap if you know what they are |
05:56.11 | jnc | side ports? |
05:56.19 | jnc | the apple pro keyboards? |
05:56.21 | Luke-Jr | on the left/right of the kb, there's USB ports |
05:57.09 | Luke-Jr | you can never have enough USB ports ;) |
05:57.14 | Luke-Jr | I've got all 8 of mine filled |
05:57.19 | jnc | yeah |
05:57.32 | johnX | anyone here have a video player working under GPE? |
05:57.42 | jnc | it's a shame USB fucking sucks with recent linux kernels on desktop hardware *sigh* |
05:57.56 | jnc | it hasn't worked right since kernel 2.6.5 |
05:58.16 | jnc | and i swear it gets worse with each kernel release |
05:58.37 | Luke-Jr | jnc: eh? news to me |
05:58.41 | jnc | oh um |
05:58.45 | Luke-Jr | johnX: haven't tried, sorry |
05:58.53 | jnc | urb request failures are the new cool, apparently |
05:58.55 | Luke-Jr | jnc: you're not using the USB Block Device grab? |
05:59.04 | Luke-Jr | crap* |
05:59.08 | grendal_prime | ok sys log reports the device is being pluged in... reports it as ttys03 at port 0xc48503f8 (irq =35) |
05:59.36 | grendal_prime | but cumulus sees the card at ttys3 now is that odd or is that pretty normal? |
05:59.51 | Luke-Jr | normal/expected |
06:01.14 | Luke-Jr | what's happening is that the kernel is naming it ttyS03 |
06:01.18 | Luke-Jr | but udev is calling it ttyS3 |
06:01.53 | grendal_prime | ok well when i put in ttys3 on qpeGPS does not see it, however cumulus does |
06:01.55 | jnc | Luke-Jr: i have many devices with USB; 6 channel audio, midi interfaces, serial GPS converter, several input devices, bluetooth adapter, storage devices |
06:02.21 | Luke-Jr | jnc: I don't know what my USB ports are doing, I just know they're filled |
06:02.30 | Luke-Jr | grendal_prime: capitalize it properly |
06:03.26 | jnc | Luke-Jr: it's been a losing battle since kernel 2.6.5; as of kernel 2.6.15 all non-input USB devices are rendered useless |
06:04.01 | Luke-Jr | jnc: er... good thing I haven't upgraded |
06:04.05 | grendal_prime | with the cap S ya that is right |
06:04.47 | jnc | Luke-Jr: kernel 2.6.11 was acceptable functionally with USB, other things were broken for amd64 though |
06:05.57 | Luke-Jr | OS: GNU/Linux 2.6.14-gentoo-r2-ljr/x86_64 - CPU: 1 x AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3200+ (2202.883 MHz) - Processes: 218 - Uptime: 6d 23h 53m - Users: 31 - Load Average: 3.29 - Memory Usage: 2088MB/1003MB (208%) |
06:08.03 | jnc | 208%? |
06:08.14 | Luke-Jr | yup :\ |
06:08.19 | Luke-Jr | 1 gig just isn't enough |
06:08.29 | jnc | what the hell does that mean |
06:08.47 | Luke-Jr | 2.08 times total RAM |
06:09.05 | jnc | what, that includes swap? |
06:09.07 | Luke-Jr | yes |
06:09.11 | jnc | ah] |
06:09.14 | Luke-Jr | it's usage |
06:09.31 | Luke-Jr | I've got 5 GB swap activated now |
06:10.57 | jnc | that's a lot |
06:11.11 | jnc | what do you do that requires such a great deal of memory? |
06:12.54 | Luke-Jr | jnc: I'm a multitasker |
06:13.12 | Luke-Jr | on my IRC/OE virtual desktop alone, I have 8 windows open |
06:13.29 | Luke-Jr | and I've got nearly 20 virtual desktops, about 10 of which are used on average |
06:14.47 | jnc | short ass attention span wow |
06:14.55 | Luke-Jr | though I suspect my memory goes to unknown places too |
06:15.16 | jnc | the most workspaces i've needed to fill was about six |
06:15.18 | Luke-Jr | even before I start X on a fresh boot, there's around 200 MB used IIRC |
06:15.23 | jnc | it was way too much |
06:15.38 | Luke-Jr | I often get one desktop waiting on a long process |
06:15.44 | Luke-Jr | and go off to another |
06:15.56 | Luke-Jr | or I'm just doing tons of crap at once ;) |
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06:17.06 | johnX | I farm off long term processes to entirely different machines |
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06:24.52 | jnc | i think i may end up building inside the chroot |
06:24.54 | jnc | *sigh* |
06:30.55 | grendal_prime | ok this is making me fkn crazy |
06:31.10 | grendal_prime | makes no sence what so ever |
06:34.20 | johnX | jnc, did you try installing ia32-libs and running gcc-arm ( or whatever it's called)? |
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06:59.36 | jnc | johnX: i'm not going to muddle my system up with 32-bit code support |
06:59.52 | jnc | johnX: i will likely just run a chroot |
06:59.55 | jnc | get'r'done |
07:00.00 | johnX | whatever you say |
07:00.50 | johnX | all I can say is I've had ia32-libs installed on ubuntu here for months with no problem |
07:00.57 | johnX | but of course it's your choice |
07:01.30 | jnc | the point is that i know why this build process is failing |
07:01.54 | johnX | ah |
07:01.59 | jnc | really, there should be some logic to tell users that the reason it failed is that gcc-2.95 is not buildable on amd64 |
07:02.20 | johnX | bitbake has some rough edges ;) |
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07:09.18 | jnc | hmm what's that URL for how to build OZ? |
07:09.24 | jnc | i lost it, google isn't much help |
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07:12.07 | jnc | johnX: http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/OpenZaurus ... what's the URL for the page that shows you steps needed to build OZ? |
07:12.25 | jnc | i can't seem to remember/find it |
07:13.06 | johnX | http://oe.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/GettingStarted |
07:13.31 | johnX | is that what you mean? |
07:13.57 | jnc | ah yes! |
07:14.10 | jnc | perfect, thank yo |
07:14.16 | jnc | u$ |
07:27.35 | johnX | I'm off to sleep, stayed up way too late last night |
07:27.41 | johnX | 'night all |
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07:44.08 | jnc | okay, bitbake nano is rolling in an ia32 chroot |
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08:48.07 | XorA | morning |
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09:09.37 | NetAmp | ibot slashdot |
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04:32.09 | grendal_prime | hey guys hows it hanging? |
04:32.21 | grendal_prime | sooo i got my new holux gps ultra |
04:32.31 | Luke-Jr | can you get me one? =p |
04:32.36 | grendal_prime | hehehe |
04:32.52 | grendal_prime | was cheep actually took forever to get here though |
04:32.52 | Luke-Jr | does it work? |
04:32.56 | grendal_prime | dont know |
04:33.10 | Luke-Jr | well, get me one and I'll try to see if I can make it work =p |
04:33.33 | grendal_prime | was going to ask if there was a quick and dirty app to check it with..i know slightly more than dick on the subject |
04:33.37 | Luke-Jr | not that I have time to give it a good attempt, actually :/ |
04:33.46 | Luke-Jr | shrug. try gpsdrive |
04:33.57 | grendal_prime | opie |
04:34.01 | Luke-Jr | eww |
04:34.23 | Luke-Jr | What Z? |
04:34.28 | grendal_prime | 5500 |
04:34.30 | Luke-Jr | eww |
04:34.31 | Luke-Jr | um |
04:34.40 | Luke-Jr | what kind of GPS is it? |
04:34.44 | Luke-Jr | not USB, obviously... |
04:34.50 | grendal_prime | ive got several gps apps installed |
04:34.55 | grendal_prime | its cf |
04:34.59 | Luke-Jr | ok |
04:35.11 | Luke-Jr | plug it in and paste the last bits of 'dmesg' on pastebin.com |
04:35.18 | Luke-Jr | run dmesg in a terminal |
04:35.39 | grendal_prime | it may just work...it recognizes it as a bluetooth sleve? |
04:35.43 | grendal_prime | ok hold on |
04:35.48 | Luke-Jr | wtf? it's bluetooth? |
04:36.37 | grendal_prime | compaq ipaq blooth sleeve is what the cf reporter deally bobber says |
04:36.58 | Luke-Jr | is it one piece or two? |
04:38.27 | grendal_prime | one |
04:38.39 | Luke-Jr | ok, then it confuses me =p |
04:38.57 | grendal_prime | brb |
04:47.07 | jnc | umm, anybody awake that knows how to build OZ ? |
04:47.22 | jnc | i'm on amd64 and want to build the 3.5.4 branc |
04:47.25 | jnc | branch, evne |
04:53.40 | mnm | Is there anybody nice enough with the proper sdk do me a BIG favor and compile for me a compatible binary of a patched hostap driver module that I have for the vanilla 3.5.3 OZ collie kernel for a Zaurus 5500? :) |
04:54.08 | jnc | !VOTEKICK mnm |
04:54.09 | cdbot | jnc: Dunno? |
04:54.16 | mnm | ? |
04:54.59 | mnm | i thought it was a support channel and nice people with kind hearts.. :( |
04:55.31 | jnc | yes |
04:55.38 | jnc | not sheep to be slaughtered |
04:55.47 | mnm | ok good |
04:56.17 | jnc | cdbot: trouble is, the build requires a 2.4.20 kernel be built, and that needs gcc 2.95 |
04:56.38 | jnc | my host is amd64. so, the problem for me is that gcc 2.95 does not build on amd64 host |
04:56.58 | mnm | this is about my request or I'm out of it... |
04:57.28 | cdbot | jnc: Don't know, don't care |
04:57.45 | jnc | oh |
04:57.50 | mnm | heh |
04:58.53 | mnm | Well if anybody likes to take up my request just gimme a holler. I'll be around... |
04:59.02 | mnm | Thanks |
04:59.55 | grendal_prime | grrr |
05:00.05 | grendal_prime | i think its working i just cant figure out what tty its on |
05:00.14 | jnc | what is 'it' |
05:00.39 | grendal_prime | gps |
05:00.52 | grendal_prime | holux ultra |
05:01.00 | grendal_prime | gm270 |
05:01.43 | jnc | ohhh no kidding |
05:01.48 | jnc | i've got a gpslim236 |
05:01.53 | jnc | i like it a lot' |
05:02.48 | grendal_prime | this is a cf card on a 5500 |
05:02.59 | jnc | okay |
05:03.01 | grendal_prime | any advice for configureing the thing would be appreciated |
05:03.19 | jnc | the GPSlim236 needed to talk to gpsd before it would spit out NEMA |
05:03.43 | jnc | i would diagnose your card to make sure it works on another system first, if possible and convenient |
05:03.55 | grendal_prime | what system? |
05:04.04 | jnc | maybe a windows box |
05:04.06 | grendal_prime | i have a laptop with a pcmcia |
05:04.14 | grendal_prime | dont have a single windows system here |
05:04.15 | johnX | jnc: if you don't have any luck finding gcc-2.95 compiled for amd64 you might try some of the stuff here: https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html#id271960 |
05:04.26 | jnc | johnX: okay |
05:04.35 | grendal_prime | see this jnc http://midtoad.homelinux.org/wp/index.php?p=9 |
05:04.45 | jnc | johnX: it seems though no one thinks gcc 2.95 can be made to compile on amd64 |
05:04.46 | grendal_prime | that is the exact screen i have in front of me.. |
05:04.49 | jnc | which may be true |
05:05.55 | johnX | if you're really lucky, after installing ia32-libs you might be able to just run the i386 binaries |
05:06.12 | grendal_prime | now question is will gpsd talk to it if it is unable to get a fix. because im inside right now |
05:08.50 | jnc | johnX: hmm |
05:09.18 | jnc | johnX: okay that being said, maybe i can grab a build from someone else |
05:09.39 | johnX | what system are you compiling for? |
05:09.40 | jnc | amd64 is obviously not a supported build platform for the 3.5.4 branch |
05:09.59 | johnX | and are you intentionally building the kernel? or is it just getting pulled in? |
05:10.01 | jnc | since the 3.5.4 branch requires 2.4.20 kernel, which needs the gcc 2.95 to build |
05:10.09 | jnc | it's being pulled in |
05:10.22 | jnc | 2.6.x kernels do not exist (AFAIK) in the 3.5.4 oz branch |
05:10.36 | jnc | which is what i want to target, and file bug reports against |
05:10.47 | grendal_prime | ya this is going to make me crazy |
05:11.06 | johnX | jnc: yeah, I skipped ahead to the 2.6 kernel and all the latest stuff |
05:11.20 | jnc | johnX: i heard that HEAD was borked, to stay away from it |
05:11.32 | johnX | I think I'm on the prebreakage tag |
05:11.36 | johnX | or whatever the heck |
05:11.59 | johnX | anyways, I built 2.6.15+GPE for my C1000 the other day |
05:12.16 | johnX | after quick fix from RP over in #oe last night everything works swell |
05:12.25 | jnc | hm |
05:12.32 | jnc | sounds good |
05:13.02 | johnX | here...I'm gonna take a crack at running gcc-2.95 arm-cross compiler on my Athlon 64 |
05:13.12 | jnc | it's not going to work |
05:13.21 | johnX | well I have a chroot :) |
05:13.25 | jnc | ohhh |
05:14.00 | jnc | i have a chroot for things like macromedia flash web browser plugin, and mplayer win32 codecs |
05:14.34 | johnX | download this http://handhelds.org/download/projects/toolchain/archive/cross-2.95.3.tar.bz2 |
05:14.59 | johnX | unpack it somewhere and run ./2.95.3/bin/arm-linux-gcc --version |
05:14.59 | jnc | hm |
05:15.11 | johnX | get the ia32-libs package if you don't have it |
05:15.15 | jnc | the alternative is to supplant the 2.4.20 kernel with a 2.6.x one |
05:15.27 | jnc | which i think may be more desirable to me |
05:15.48 | johnX | what Zaurus are you compiling for? |
05:16.00 | jnc | spizt |
05:16.30 | jnc | Sharp Zaurus C3000 (spitz) |
05:16.33 | johnX | yeah 2.6 should be fine on that |
05:16.48 | jnc | i've got a 2.6.x kernel on my hardware now, it's just the rest of the OS that is fubar |
05:16.56 | johnX | ah |
05:17.14 | johnX | and you can get around that nicely if you just compile your own image at the same time as the kernel |
05:17.50 | jnc | err? what do you mean by that |
05:18.11 | johnX | mixing and matching a kernel image here and a fs image here doesn't work to well |
05:18.29 | johnX | so building them from the same source tree at the same time ensures they "match" |
05:18.33 | johnX | that's all I meant |
05:18.45 | jnc | ohhhh |
05:18.49 | johnX | however, if you really want to bug test for 3.5.4 you'll want a 2.4 kernel I think, because AFAIK 3.5.4 will ship with 2.4 and 2.6 will be a later addon |
05:18.57 | jnc | hm |
05:19.16 | jnc | shoot, so i should really be finding a way to build this in a chroot huh |
05:19.48 | johnX | on my ubuntu 5.10 machine I can run gcc 2.95 arm-cross compiler outside of chroot |
05:20.15 | johnX | if you download that package I linked, and follow the directions here, you should be fine: http://oe.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/ZaurusKernels |
05:20.37 | johnX | ubuntu 5.10 on an Athlon 64 I should say |
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05:30.24 | Luke-Jr | johnX: 1. GCC 2.95 does not work on x86_64 |
05:30.33 | Luke-Jr | johnX: 2. you shouldn't ever need or use GCC 2.95 |
05:30.49 | johnX | what about to build the 2.4 kernel? |
05:30.59 | Luke-Jr | OZ has used 2.6 kernels for nearly a year now |
05:31.14 | Luke-Jr | IIRC |
05:31.18 | Luke-Jr | certainly 6 months |
05:31.20 | johnX | not on all machines |
05:31.26 | Luke-Jr | all machines worth owning |
05:31.30 | johnX | heh |
05:31.39 | johnX | so a 5500 and a C1000 aren't worth owning? |
05:31.48 | Luke-Jr | C1000 works w/ 2.6 fine, IIRC |
05:31.58 | Luke-Jr | 5500 isn't, no |
05:31.58 | johnX | right, which happened just a bit ago |
05:32.06 | Luke-Jr | C1000's release was just a bit ago |
05:32.34 | johnX | until mid december 2.6 on the C1000 was pretty buggy |
05:32.56 | Luke-Jr | either way |
05:33.10 | johnX | 3.5.4 will be released with a 2.4 kernel for the C1000, C3000, and C3100 |
05:33.11 | Luke-Jr | just backup your /lib/modules to /home somewhere when installing a new image |
05:33.15 | Luke-Jr | and restore it after |
05:33.50 | webmind | any idea when it will be released ? |
05:34.01 | johnX | http://openzaurus.org/wordpress/2006/01/09/openzaurus-354-release-plans/ |
05:34.13 | johnX | no clue |
05:34.31 | Luke-Jr | BTW, if anyone here wants to build GPE on a x86_64 box |
05:34.45 | Luke-Jr | you'll need to either hack sqlite-2* or copy an ipk from somewhere else |
05:35.23 | Luke-Jr | mainly because sqlite-2 doesn't cross-compile correctly |
05:35.43 | Luke-Jr | and it detects sizeof(char*) = 8 (on x86_64) where sizeof(char*) on ARM is 4 |
05:35.55 | Luke-Jr | so the resulting ipk will not work |
05:36.20 | johnX | oh, and FWIW gcc-2.95 runs fine on x86_64, provided ia32-libs are installed (if you're on debian or ubuntu) |
05:36.35 | Luke-Jr | no, GCC 2.95 only runs on x86_32 |
05:36.45 | Luke-Jr | you are most likely putting your CPU into x86_32 mode for that |
05:37.11 | johnX | ok, but either way it can be made to run outside of a 32-bit chroot |
05:37.25 | Luke-Jr | only if your system is dual x86_64 and x86_32 |
05:37.33 | Luke-Jr | it won't work on a x86_64 only system |
05:37.50 | johnX | are there any x86_64 only systems? |
05:37.56 | Luke-Jr | mine is one example |
05:37.59 | jnc | mine is |
05:38.00 | Luke-Jr | I'm sure it's not alone |
05:38.10 | jnc | i mean, i have amd64 but i don't use the ia32 compat stuff |
05:38.16 | Luke-Jr | dual systems use twice the disk space |
05:38.22 | johnX | not really |
05:38.25 | Luke-Jr | yes, really |
05:38.34 | Luke-Jr | you need libraries built for both x86_64 and x86_32 |
05:39.05 | johnX | yes, but you don't need *all* the libraries for everything, just the stuff you need to run the app you want |
05:40.15 | jnc | the goal is to have a kernel 2.6.x which eliminates need for gcc-2.95 yes? |
05:40.22 | johnX | eventually |
05:40.24 | Luke-Jr | pretty much |
05:40.46 | Luke-Jr | the only reason I can see to use a 2.4 kernel these days is if you need a microphone |
05:40.59 | Luke-Jr | that's not working in 2.6 yet |
05:41.10 | johnX | or if you're testing for the 3.5.4 release or if you have a 5500 :) |
05:41.59 | Luke-Jr | ah, sad |
05:42.10 | johnX | well I have a C1000 too |
05:42.19 | Luke-Jr | my OZ fork is optimized and only runs on SL-C models |
05:42.40 | Luke-Jr | Cxx0, mainly, though I imagine Cxk wouldn't be too difficult to add |
05:42.58 | johnX | what is so different that you needed to fork it? |
05:43.15 | Luke-Jr | but when/if I get a Cxk, I wouldn't be cross compiling for it |
05:43.36 | Luke-Jr | johnX: for a start, optimizing my packages |
05:43.49 | Luke-Jr | OpenSSH instead of Dropbear |
05:44.01 | Luke-Jr | stuff like that |
05:44.17 | johnX | yeah, I gave up on dropbear too |
05:44.29 | johnX | one of the first things I do on a new image is kill dropbear and install openssh |
05:44.44 | Luke-Jr | there were more differences back a few months, when GPE images weren't too nice w/ OZ |
05:45.11 | Luke-Jr | Like including firefox and killing keylaunch (which broke the image at the time) |
05:45.22 | Luke-Jr | and gpe-appmgr |
05:45.26 | grendal_prime | ok this is interesting |
05:45.34 | grendal_prime | it works with cumulus |
05:45.36 | Luke-Jr | ? |
05:45.54 | grendal_prime | set to /dev/ttyS3 |
05:45.55 | Luke-Jr | BTW, it's fun to run KDE on the Z ;) |
05:46.14 | Luke-Jr | well, to use it anyway |
05:46.21 | johnX | I'm gonna try and make the e17 image compile |
05:46.24 | Luke-Jr | haven't been able to crosscompile it yet (and thus not run it) |
05:46.25 | johnX | that should be interesting |
05:46.48 | grendal_prime | Luke-Jr, i tried that it was weird |
05:46.51 | Luke-Jr | but just from running it on the Z's X display, it looks nice |
05:46.57 | grendal_prime | the kde bit on my 5500 |
05:47.09 | Luke-Jr | grendal_prime: I'm still stuck on getting kdelibs-dcop-native to build |
05:47.19 | Luke-Jr | I don't expect KDE would ever fit on a 5500... |
05:47.20 | grendal_prime | i dont think you can |
05:47.20 | jnc | Luke-Jr: i may sell my C3000 |
05:47.27 | Luke-Jr | jnc: ? |
05:47.39 | jnc | it's like ten thousand geek points |
05:47.41 | jnc | but uh |
05:47.48 | jnc | i can't see myself putting it to good use |
05:47.58 | Luke-Jr | install a full blown OS on it ;) |
05:48.03 | Luke-Jr | fork Gentoo |
05:48.04 | grendal_prime | i need a backup gps for the plane |
05:48.27 | johnX | that's a painful thought...stage 1 self-hosting install on a zaurus |
05:48.35 | Luke-Jr | hehe |
05:48.40 | johnX | building images takes long enough on my 800 Athlon |
05:48.55 | Luke-Jr | well, that's why the OS I'm working on supports and encourages peer-to-peer distributed compiling ;) |
05:49.21 | jnc | the crap for networking built into the Z disturbs me |
05:49.23 | grendal_prime | the 5500 is perfect size. i need to get the gps app working...i have the entire os running from sd, so i can back it all up and have a second copy of it just in case |
05:49.39 | johnX | that's pretty slick |
05:49.41 | jnc | i've got a DWL-660 wifi card and USB host cable adapter |
05:49.44 | jnc | etc. |
05:49.52 | jnc | it's too unwieldly IMO |
05:50.07 | grendal_prime | the thing fits perfect in my flight jacket incase the console in the plane croaks..(which it has done in the past) |
05:50.14 | Luke-Jr | jnc: add WiFi internally? |
05:50.38 | jnc | Luke-Jr: no space, really |
05:50.54 | jnc | Luke-Jr: adding bluetooth internally has been discussed and it may be possible |
05:50.55 | Luke-Jr | jnc: IIRC, someone on the forum was looking at adding it |
05:51.03 | jnc | if you replace the internal drive |
05:51.13 | jnc | hmm yeah |
05:51.15 | Luke-Jr | via a second USB host connection |
05:51.26 | Luke-Jr | that's apparently in the Cxk chips |
05:51.36 | jnc | oh, far out |
05:51.57 | jnc | know where i might get a shorter more concise USB host cable? |
05:52.01 | Luke-Jr | so add a USB wifi dongle to that and you've got builtin wireless |
05:52.08 | jnc | the one i have is a GoldX, it sticks out too far |
05:52.20 | Luke-Jr | Walmart sells USB adapters... |
05:52.50 | jnc | um. i'm looking for a one piece USB mini A male to USB A female |
05:52.58 | Luke-Jr | right |
05:53.01 | Luke-Jr | I think that's in the set |
05:53.09 | grendal_prime | this thing picks up 4 sats even when im inside the house |
05:53.14 | Luke-Jr | it has a USB extention cable and onepiece adapters for all the sizes |
05:53.18 | jnc | the ones i saw were all changeable ends and stuff |
05:53.21 | jnc | ohh hmm |
05:53.33 | grendal_prime | but why the hell does one app see it and not the other |
05:53.43 | jnc | i'd really like one that is flexible, like the iRiver host cable |
05:53.47 | Luke-Jr | hm |
05:54.30 | jnc | i think i'm going to hook up a Model M keyboard to my zaurus |
05:54.34 | Luke-Jr | lol |
05:54.37 | jnc | i know the USB adapter to use |
05:54.49 | jnc | there is only one USB ps2 adapter that will do it right |
05:54.55 | Luke-Jr | oh |
05:55.05 | jnc | the Model M fan site sells them for $50usd and up |
05:55.07 | Luke-Jr | honestly, I just want one of those Apple USB keyboards w/ side ports |
05:55.10 | jnc | but they are cheap if you know what they are |
05:56.11 | jnc | side ports? |
05:56.19 | jnc | the apple pro keyboards? |
05:56.21 | Luke-Jr | on the left/right of the kb, there's USB ports |
05:57.09 | Luke-Jr | you can never have enough USB ports ;) |
05:57.14 | Luke-Jr | I've got all 8 of mine filled |
05:57.19 | jnc | yeah |
05:57.32 | johnX | anyone here have a video player working under GPE? |
05:57.42 | jnc | it's a shame USB fucking sucks with recent linux kernels on desktop hardware *sigh* |
05:57.56 | jnc | it hasn't worked right since kernel 2.6.5 |
05:58.16 | jnc | and i swear it gets worse with each kernel release |
05:58.37 | Luke-Jr | jnc: eh? news to me |
05:58.41 | jnc | oh um |
05:58.45 | Luke-Jr | johnX: haven't tried, sorry |
05:58.53 | jnc | urb request failures are the new cool, apparently |
05:58.55 | Luke-Jr | jnc: you're not using the USB Block Device grab? |
05:59.04 | Luke-Jr | crap* |
05:59.08 | grendal_prime | ok sys log reports the device is being pluged in... reports it as ttys03 at port 0xc48503f8 (irq =35) |
05:59.36 | grendal_prime | but cumulus sees the card at ttys3 now is that odd or is that pretty normal? |
05:59.51 | Luke-Jr | normal/expected |
06:01.14 | Luke-Jr | what's happening is that the kernel is naming it ttyS03 |
06:01.18 | Luke-Jr | but udev is calling it ttyS3 |
06:01.53 | grendal_prime | ok well when i put in ttys3 on qpeGPS does not see it, however cumulus does |
06:01.55 | jnc | Luke-Jr: i have many devices with USB; 6 channel audio, midi interfaces, serial GPS converter, several input devices, bluetooth adapter, storage devices |
06:02.21 | Luke-Jr | jnc: I don't know what my USB ports are doing, I just know they're filled |
06:02.30 | Luke-Jr | grendal_prime: capitalize it properly |
06:03.26 | jnc | Luke-Jr: it's been a losing battle since kernel 2.6.5; as of kernel 2.6.15 all non-input USB devices are rendered useless |
06:04.01 | Luke-Jr | jnc: er... good thing I haven't upgraded |
06:04.05 | grendal_prime | with the cap S ya that is right |
06:04.47 | jnc | Luke-Jr: kernel 2.6.11 was acceptable functionally with USB, other things were broken for amd64 though |
06:05.57 | Luke-Jr | OS: GNU/Linux 2.6.14-gentoo-r2-ljr/x86_64 - CPU: 1 x AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3200+ (2202.883 MHz) - Processes: 218 - Uptime: 6d 23h 53m - Users: 31 - Load Average: 3.29 - Memory Usage: 2088MB/1003MB (208%) |
06:08.03 | jnc | 208%? |
06:08.14 | Luke-Jr | yup :\ |
06:08.19 | Luke-Jr | 1 gig just isn't enough |
06:08.29 | jnc | what the hell does that mean |
06:08.47 | Luke-Jr | 2.08 times total RAM |
06:09.05 | jnc | what, that includes swap? |
06:09.07 | Luke-Jr | yes |
06:09.11 | jnc | ah] |
06:09.14 | Luke-Jr | it's usage |
06:09.31 | Luke-Jr | I've got 5 GB swap activated now |
06:10.57 | jnc | that's a lot |
06:11.11 | jnc | what do you do that requires such a great deal of memory? |
06:12.54 | Luke-Jr | jnc: I'm a multitasker |
06:13.12 | Luke-Jr | on my IRC/OE virtual desktop alone, I have 8 windows open |
06:13.29 | Luke-Jr | and I've got nearly 20 virtual desktops, about 10 of which are used on average |
06:14.47 | jnc | short ass attention span wow |
06:14.55 | Luke-Jr | though I suspect my memory goes to unknown places too |
06:15.16 | jnc | the most workspaces i've needed to fill was about six |
06:15.18 | Luke-Jr | even before I start X on a fresh boot, there's around 200 MB used IIRC |
06:15.23 | jnc | it was way too much |
06:15.38 | Luke-Jr | I often get one desktop waiting on a long process |
06:15.44 | Luke-Jr | and go off to another |
06:15.56 | Luke-Jr | or I'm just doing tons of crap at once ;) |
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06:17.06 | johnX | I farm off long term processes to entirely different machines |
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06:24.52 | jnc | i think i may end up building inside the chroot |
06:24.54 | jnc | *sigh* |
06:30.55 | grendal_prime | ok this is making me fkn crazy |
06:31.10 | grendal_prime | makes no sence what so ever |
06:34.20 | johnX | jnc, did you try installing ia32-libs and running gcc-arm ( or whatever it's called)? |
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06:59.36 | jnc | johnX: i'm not going to muddle my system up with 32-bit code support |
06:59.52 | jnc | johnX: i will likely just run a chroot |
06:59.55 | jnc | get'r'done |
07:00.00 | johnX | whatever you say |
07:00.50 | johnX | all I can say is I've had ia32-libs installed on ubuntu here for months with no problem |
07:00.57 | johnX | but of course it's your choice |
07:01.30 | jnc | the point is that i know why this build process is failing |
07:01.54 | johnX | ah |
07:01.59 | jnc | really, there should be some logic to tell users that the reason it failed is that gcc-2.95 is not buildable on amd64 |
07:02.20 | johnX | bitbake has some rough edges ;) |
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07:09.18 | jnc | hmm what's that URL for how to build OZ? |
07:09.24 | jnc | i lost it, google isn't much help |
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07:12.07 | jnc | johnX: http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/OpenZaurus ... what's the URL for the page that shows you steps needed to build OZ? |
07:12.25 | jnc | i can't seem to remember/find it |
07:13.06 | johnX | http://oe.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/GettingStarted |
07:13.31 | johnX | is that what you mean? |
07:13.57 | jnc | ah yes! |
07:14.10 | jnc | perfect, thank yo |
07:14.16 | jnc | u$ |
07:27.35 | johnX | I'm off to sleep, stayed up way too late last night |
07:27.41 | johnX | 'night all |
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07:44.08 | jnc | okay, bitbake nano is rolling in an ia32 chroot |
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08:48.07 | XorA | morning |
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09:09.37 | NetAmp | ibot slashdot |
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09:38.38 | XorA | yo alan |
09:38.59 | alan|laptop | hey XorA |
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