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| 00:13.13 | DataBeaver | The SL-C3100 installation instruction mention kernel 2.6, but where can I actually find one? |
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| 00:31.24 | DataBeaver | Anyone? |
| 00:31.39 | NAbyss | DataBeaver: Change your local.conf |
| 00:31.56 | DataBeaver | err? |
| 00:31.58 | NAbyss | there should be a line in there something like KERNEL_VERSION = "2.4" |
| 00:32.22 | DataBeaver | Oh, there isn't any prepackaged version with 2.6? |
| 00:32.30 | NAbyss | DataBeaver: Hm, I could chuck my image up |
| 00:32.36 | NAbyss | It's just an opie-kdepim-image |
| 00:33.04 | DataBeaver | I want gpe... |
| 00:33.22 | DataBeaver | But I should be able to build it myself, once I find the source |
| 00:33.53 | NAbyss | DataBeaver: Follow the Getting Started instructions on the OpenEmbedded wiki |
| 00:34.05 | DataBeaver | k |
| 00:34.06 | NAbyss | http://oe.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/GettingStarted |
| 00:34.57 | DataBeaver | Hm, more version tracking programs... |
| 00:35.04 | NAbyss | Yep.. |
| 00:36.35 | DataBeaver | I already have cvs, svn and git and now I need to install monotone too |
| 00:40.49 | DataBeaver | Wtf? Days for just pulling stuff from the repository? |
| 00:42.38 | CoreDump|home | read again. you can d/l a recent database |
| 00:42.45 | DataBeaver | Yeah, I noticed. |
| 00:42.53 | DataBeaver | Doing that now. |
| 00:43.21 | NAbyss | DataBeaver: Monotone's performance really sucks when doing a pull |
| 00:43.32 | DataBeaver | But what kind of stuff does it do to spend days when pulling for the first time? |
| 00:43.54 | NAbyss | It's the patching that takes ages |
| 00:44.47 | DataBeaver | Also that "doesn't work on NFS" sounds rather strange... |
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| 00:56.08 | DataBeaver | Hm, if I use the suggested BBFILES value, it will build every single package? |
| 00:56.44 | DataBeaver | Or does it just make everything available? |
| 01:00.45 | DataBeaver | Should I use openzaurus or openzaurus-unstable as distro? |
| 01:03.41 | DataBeaver | unstable apparently... |
| 01:03.45 | DataBeaver | What's IMAGE_FSTYPES? |
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| 01:05.23 | andrewy | does sound work with oz 3.5.3 and collie for anyone? |
| 01:13.56 | DataBeaver | Does bitbake build the needed cross-compilers or do I need to make those available myself? |
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| 01:17.32 | andrewy | http://openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.3/upgrades/Packages no longer works, what feed do I use? |
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| 02:09.05 | grendal_prime | hey can someone install cumulus and tell me if its missing a bunch of stuff or what |
| 02:09.38 | grendal_prime | it works..works with my gps..but there are a lot of imges used to...point to things and give reference to direction that are just plane missing |
| 02:11.43 | grendal_prime | and when i fire up it gives me a list of images that are not there and when i go to the dir and look in it..there is nothing there..but the app runs..and works |
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| 05:56.39 | *** topic/#openzaurus is OpenZaurus user discussion/support channel | developer discussion in #oe | http://openzaurus.org/ | Don't ask to ask, just ask. | OZ 3.5.3 -> http://openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.3/ | Report OZ bugs at http://bugs.openembedded.org/ l/p: guest/guest |
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| 06:40.18 | duxex | hello |
| 06:40.43 | jnc | you have failed! choose again |
| 06:40.47 | jnc | oh hey, duxex |
| 06:40.57 | duxex | whats up |
| 06:41.02 | duxex | I'm trying to get a USB host cable to work |
| 06:41.22 | duxex | I took a the cable that came with the zaurus and slapped a FEMALE-FEMALE USB connector on it |
| 06:41.38 | duxex | I thought it would work, but I am not get any responses in dmesg |
| 06:41.46 | duxex | or anything |
| 06:41.57 | NAbyss | duxex: afaik, you need one that's got the different connector on the Z's end |
| 06:42.10 | NAbyss | AFAIK, there's one with connectors in the middle, and connectors on the top |
| 06:42.17 | duxex | OIC |
| 06:42.19 | NAbyss | not sure if it's mini A or B.. |
| 06:42.24 | duxex | ahhhhh |
| 06:42.35 | duxex | I'll go buy both |
| 06:42.36 | duxex | hahah |
| 06:43.05 | duxex | so go back up tot he store and get a cable with the connectors in the middle |
| 06:43.06 | NAbyss | duxex: Might be worth reading the wikipedia article on USB OTG |
| 06:43.10 | duxex | USB OTG |
| 06:43.10 | duxex | ok |
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| 06:45.20 | duxex | MAN I AM RETARDED |
| 06:45.25 | duxex | http://www.users.on.net/~hluc/myZaurus/usb-miniA&B.jpg |
| 06:46.05 | duxex | bbl |
| 07:01.01 | jnc | duxex: heh |
| 07:01.23 | jnc | duxex: it took me a while and $40 of soldering hacks to figure that one out |
| 07:01.47 | jnc | duxex: the MINI-A and MINI-B USB have identical connector shapes, btw |
| 07:01.51 | jnc | that picture may be incorrect |
| 07:02.02 | jnc | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:04.45 | NAbyss | jnc: How do they differ? |
| 07:05.10 | NAbyss | Assuming it's not a trade secret etc etc. *mutter*SDIO*mutter* |
| 07:05.43 | jnc | NAbyss: it's publicly documented |
| 07:05.58 | jnc | one of the pins is grounded to the sink versus the other type |
| 07:06.01 | jnc | i forget which is which |
| 07:06.18 | jnc | the short story is that USB mini A i think has the extra grounding pin |
| 07:06.28 | jnc | it signals the host USB chipset to activate host mode |
| 07:06.43 | NAbyss | jnc: Ahh |
| 07:08.39 | jnc | and yes, USB On The Go is the other name for it |
| 07:08.56 | jnc | you cannot ask someone to make you a USB OTG cable, because the connectors do not exist yet |
| 07:09.15 | jnc | no one is willing to go out on a limb and make bulk orders in manufacturing worthy quantities |
| 07:09.24 | jnc | so the manufacturers aren't willing to make the connectors |
| 07:09.42 | jnc | for now we have the odd cable here and there |
| 07:17.35 | jnc | the GoldX cable works |
| 07:17.41 | jnc | it's hellishly awkward though |
| 07:17.48 | jnc | i own the GoldX cable |
| 07:19.12 | NAbyss | jnc: So what's the best way to do USB OTG? Find someone that makes a mini A to normal B socket? |
| 07:20.32 | jnc | mini A male to regular A female |
| 07:21.05 | NAbyss | ah, okies |
| 07:32.30 | jnc | NAbyss: there's a "host" cable for an iRiver product |
| 07:32.33 | jnc | that is optimal |
| 07:33.04 | jnc | there is also a host cable included with a 2.5" IDE hard disk external USB-ifier thing |
| 07:33.10 | jnc | i don't know the brand or whatever |
| 07:33.14 | jnc | if you find it, let me know |
| 07:33.32 | jnc | that seems to be the cheaper option for a short and flexible host cable that works on the Z |
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| 08:01.22 | NAbyss | jnc: Yeah, I'll have a look around.. I've been tempted to use an external USB keyboard |
| 08:02.58 | jnc | NAbyss: remember to change your keymap |
| 08:03.04 | jnc | the Z keymap is very different |
| 08:03.25 | NAbyss | jnc: Are the keymaps for USB keyboards included? |
| 08:03.37 | NAbyss | Well, on that note, is it easy enough to edit keymaps? |
| 08:23.54 | jnc | NAbyss: you're asking me for a root canal, buddy |
| 08:24.16 | jnc | NAbyss: one thing at a time, gpe-image and qpe-image |
| 08:24.24 | jnc | i'll let you know if a keymap makes sense or now |
| 08:24.32 | jnc | s/now/not/ :) |
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| 08:25.04 | NAbyss | jnc: Yeah, they're compiling away |
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| 08:50.18 | alan|laptop | gooooooood morning aaaaaallll ! |
| 08:51.19 | NAbyss | 'Erro |
| 09:05.44 | alan|laptop | hey NAbyss |
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| 09:06.09 | alan|laptop | looks like this morning is gonna be as calm as each saturday morning... |
| 09:07.24 | NAbyss | Yeah, it's pretty quiet |
| 09:13.17 | jnc | paowinfepoaiwnpe foiawepfaiwepfoi POIJ FDSPOIASPFOIWQHJPEOFINWPEGFOINPOEGFINP AOKNFP AOKN FPOIANFPAOIN FPOIFN WPEOIWE |
| 09:13.25 | jnc | whoops |
| 09:13.31 | jnc | didn't mean to startle you all |
| 09:19.07 | alan|laptop | jnc: i think it's time you take either a cofee or your pink pills... |
| 09:19.11 | alan|laptop | :) |
| 09:19.19 | jnc | SHUT UP THEY'RRE BLUE |
| 09:19.27 | alan|laptop | \o/ |
| 09:19.56 | alan|laptop | ok, so first, give the cofee up... |
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| 09:25.51 | duxex | jnc, I just made a USB-A cable, it was easy |
| 09:26.04 | jnc | oh shut up |
| 09:26.13 | duxex | no shit |
| 09:26.25 | jnc | you'd have to muck with the internals of the USB cable connector, that's near impossible |
| 09:26.30 | duxex | uh |
| 09:26.30 | duxex | no |
| 09:26.38 | duxex | just bridge pin 4-5 |
| 09:26.41 | jnc | uh, yeah |
| 09:26.44 | jnc | how do you do that |
| 09:26.48 | jnc | on a male connector |
| 09:26.53 | duxex | I looked up the USB-A pinout |
| 09:26.57 | jnc | ... |
| 09:27.04 | duxex | and saw that 4-5 pin were bridged on the zaurus side |
| 09:27.17 | duxex | so I cut open the connector and soldered the two together and shaved off the excess solder |
| 09:27.27 | duxex | glued it all back together |
| 09:27.36 | duxex | and put a Female - Female USB connector on the end of the cable |
| 09:27.38 | jnc | cheater! |
| 09:27.41 | duxex | :) |
| 09:27.45 | jnc | take a picture |
| 09:27.47 | duxex | ok |
| 09:27.49 | duxex | hold on |
| 09:27.53 | duxex | let me get my web camera |
| 09:27.55 | jnc | want to see what a crappy job you did on your cheater connector |
| 09:28.00 | jnc | with sub par skills |
| 09:28.05 | jnc | *jealous* |
| 09:28.05 | duxex | :) |
| 09:28.14 | duxex | I didnt have electrical tape |
| 09:28.17 | duxex | so its scotched taped |
| 09:28.40 | jnc | and inferior taping |
| 09:30.00 | duxex | hold on... I need to get a webcam application |
| 09:30.40 | jnc | with resolution pixelated |
| 09:30.50 | jnc | take a blurry shot |
| 09:30.55 | jnc | that will complete this atrocity |
| 09:31.06 | jnc | spending $20 on GoldX |
| 09:31.12 | jnc | boo hoo :( |
| 09:31.49 | duxex | damn |
| 09:31.52 | duxex | hold up |
| 09:31.55 | duxex | I gotta get the digital camera |
| 09:35.06 | duxex | I ruined one of the cables... |
| 09:35.10 | duxex | so I gotta use flashg |
| 09:35.20 | duxex | I mean i ruined my digital camera cable |
| 09:36.11 | duxex | can I DCC you images? |
| 09:38.16 | jnc | dee cee cee |
| 09:38.17 | jnc | hmm |
| 09:39.23 | duxex | I am firewalled ... |
| 09:39.38 | alan|laptop | send trhough mail |
| 09:39.47 | duxex | any public area I can send it? |
| 09:39.53 | alan|laptop | yousendit.com |
| 09:39.57 | *** part/#openzaurus law_ (n=_law_@213.173.86.202) |
| 09:40.05 | alan|laptop | send it to yourself, and then give us the link |
| 09:40.05 | jnc | gmail |
| 09:40.10 | jnc | lucent@gmail.com |
| 09:40.14 | alan|laptop | yeah, that too |
| 09:41.42 | duxex | ok |
| 09:41.43 | duxex | sending |
| 09:44.57 | duxex | whats messed up |
| 09:45.05 | duxex | is that the pin 4 doesn't have a wire on this cable |
| 09:45.13 | duxex | if it did, it would be a lot easier |
| 09:45.17 | duxex | and I could make it switched |
| 09:51.57 | duxex | now I gotta figure out the keyboard mapping |
| 09:57.25 | duxex | holy crpa I have a mouse cursor |
| 10:12.05 | duxex | anybody around anymore? |
| 10:27.42 | jnc | cool |
| 10:27.48 | jnc | i'm going to sleep |
| 10:29.15 | NAbyss | kinda around here.. fiddling with bitbake. |
| 10:32.10 | jnc | "If I were a zar-us, bit bake bit bake bit byte bidle dum, all day long compiling from oe.db, just to make a make a healthy md5 sum!" |
| 10:32.37 | jnc | fiddler on the chroot |
| 10:32.38 | duxex | bitbake? |
| 10:32.51 | duxex | cool |
| 10:37.32 | NAbyss | duxex: Yeah.. building a c3k image for jnc |
| 10:38.12 | duxex | sweetr |
| 10:38.14 | duxex | damn |
| 10:38.27 | duxex | I want to learn that stuff |
| 10:39.01 | NAbyss | It's not that hard to use.. just download and play with it.. |
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| 10:44.09 | alan|laptop | jnc: you 64bit arch is not solved yet ? |
| 10:44.39 | jnc | alan|laptop: it's been deferred to NAbysslave labor |
| 10:44.48 | alan|laptop | ^^ |
| 10:45.14 | NAbyss | Someone really needs to fix up the .oz354fam083 branch.. the glibc patch's not yet been applied |
| 10:45.44 | alan|laptop | jnc: i'm sure you can do it if you use the .dev branch... |
| 10:46.06 | alan|laptop | jnc: the main problem comes from OZ using a 2.4 kernel, right ? |
| 10:46.24 | alan|laptop | jnc: then, as i can see in OZ website, : |
| 10:46.26 | alan|laptop | Many people wonder why at all we are going to release OpenZaurus 3.5.4 with 2.4.20 kernel for Cxx00 instead of going to 2.6 for it. The main reason is that 2.6 support is not widely tested yet - we know that it works on spitz (sl-c3000) or borzoi (sl-c3100) |
| 10:47.09 | alan|laptop | if devs know 2.6 works for c3000, then i guess it can be built from .dev... |
| 10:47.25 | alan|laptop | but i'm not a dev at all, so i might be wrong... |
| 10:48.07 | jnc | aye |
| 10:48.19 | jnc | you see what i'm seeing then :) |
| 10:48.25 | alan|laptop | yep |
| 10:48.31 | alan|laptop | well... i guess |
| 10:48.33 | alan|laptop | you see ? |
| 10:49.46 | alan|laptop | i guess you can not build a 2.6 kernel on .oz354fam083 because it should be a stable branch... that would explain why they didn't include 2.6 kernel... |
| 10:50.15 | alan|laptop | s/stable/quite stable |
| 10:52.08 | jnc | heh |
| 10:52.19 | jnc | hence, the NAbysslave labor |
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| 11:04.31 | duxex-zaurus | hello |
| 11:04.42 | duxex-zaurus | back on the *other* computer |
| 11:04.45 | hrw | hi |
| 11:04.49 | duxex-zaurus | those were supposed to be quotes |
| 11:08.59 | hrw | duxex-zaurus: whats up? |
| 11:09.39 | duxex-zaurus | nadda |
| 11:09.46 | duxex-zaurus | just trying to figure out my keyboard mapping |
| 11:10.00 | duxex-zaurus | hmmm |
| 11:10.17 | hrw | what Z? |
| 11:10.30 | duxex-zaurus | C3100 |
| 11:11.35 | hrw | you run 2.4.20 kernel on it? and oz 3.5.4-rc1? |
| 11:12.52 | duxex-zaurus | no I|got rid of OZfor now |
| 11:13.12 | duxex-zaurus | I|tried |
| 11:13.16 | duxex-zaurus | hey I|found the pipe |
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| 11:13.18 | duxex-zaurus | shift space |
| 11:13.20 | duxex-zaurus | || |
| 11:13.23 | duxex-zaurus | +~ |
| 11:13.42 | duxex-zaurus | wait |
| 11:13.47 | duxex-zaurus | is cacko rom based off of OZ, |
| 11:14.08 | hrw | no |
| 11:14.15 | duxex-zaurus | o |
| 11:14.43 | hrw | nothing in Z world base on OZ (hentges distro is slightly changed OZ) |
| 11:14.54 | duxex-zaurus | hmm |
| 11:15.04 | duxex-zaurus | I need to go grab another zaurus |
| 11:15.22 | duxex-zaurus | so I can experiment more |
| 11:16.15 | duxex | that guy was cool |
| 11:17.22 | hrw | heh.. there are many games for qpe enviroment but why most of them suxx in VGA:( |
| 11:19.25 | hrw | japanese guys... |
| 11:21.38 | alan|laptop | hey hrw |
| 11:21.43 | hrw | hi alan |
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| 12:14.56 | CoreDump|work | I'm gettings "kmod: /sbin/modprobe scsi_hostcontroller failed" on kernel init on Akita. Does anyone know how to get rid of that? |
| 12:15.21 | hrw | CoreDump|work: 2.6? |
| 12:19.30 | NAbyss | jnc: The compile's failing.. openswan's borked. |
| 12:21.34 | NAbyss | Although there's not as much uncompilable stuff in OE's sourcetree as the VCS at work. |
| 12:22.23 | NAbyss | I'll give qpe-image a burl instead.. see if that works |
| 12:23.01 | hrw | there is no such thing as qpe-image |
| 12:23.17 | NAbyss | jnc: what images did you want compiled again? |
| 12:23.51 | jnc | hrw: err |
| 12:24.06 | jnc | NAbyss: gpe-image and the q one |
| 12:24.15 | jnc | i guess not qpe-image, that's a typo |
| 12:24.40 | NAbyss | opie-kdepim-image then? |
| 12:25.16 | hrw | opie-image |
| 12:28.19 | CoreDump|work | hrw: Nice work on the 3.5.4 branch. Akita is looking damn good right now. Any bugs I should know about? |
| 12:29.31 | NAbyss | Shit.. opie-image's failing on openswan as well. |
| 12:30.01 | hrw | NAbyss: how fail? |
| 12:30.16 | hrw | NAbyss: which version of make you have? |
| 12:30.16 | CoreDump|work | eh, since when is opensvan a part of opie-image |
| 12:30.27 | hrw | CoreDump|work: since it is part of bootstrap... |
| 12:30.30 | NAbyss | hrw: http://pastebin.com/505218 |
| 12:30.37 | NAbyss | GNU Make 3.81beta4 |
| 12:31.07 | hrw | oki - patch from .dev to branch needed then |
| 12:31.09 | NAbyss | Looks like something's wrong with the linking |
| 12:32.16 | hrw | could youlook into bugtracker? someone reported that before iirc |
| 12:32.23 | CoreDump|work | ouch |
| 12:33.46 | hrw | http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=545 |
| 12:34.25 | hrw | NAbyss: you build from .dev or from .oz354fam083? |
| 12:35.25 | NAbyss | hrw: the latter |
| 12:35.35 | jnc | with sugar and creme |
| 12:35.44 | jnc | *whip* now, move! |
| 12:35.49 | NAbyss | My main buildtree's .dev, but I'm building from .oz354fam083 for jnc |
| 12:36.10 | hrw | ok |
| 12:36.28 | hrw | I will add it into branch then |
| 12:36.39 | hrw | thx for finding it |
| 12:37.04 | NAbyss | np.. is oz354fam083 going to be the release branch for 354? |
| 12:37.19 | hrw | yes |
| 12:37.29 | hrw | and for 3.5.4.1, 3.5.4.2 etc.. |
| 12:37.39 | hrw | 3.5.4.11 |
| 12:37.58 | NAbyss | ah, cool |
| 12:39.54 | CoreDump|work | are there any showstoppers left hrw? |
| 12:40.33 | NAbyss | CoreDump|work: the glibc patch hasn't been applied to oz354fam083 either |
| 12:40.35 | hrw | CoreDump|work: mickeyl vacations is main showstopper now |
| 12:40.42 | jnc | hrw: amd64 host here, i had to con NAbyss into building the tree for me |
| 12:40.52 | CoreDump|work | =) |
| 12:41.15 | CoreDump|work | well, that'll give us some time for some polishing |
| 12:41.23 | hrw | CoreDump|work: I want to polish it a bit during next days |
| 12:41.52 | hrw | but now I'm fighting with .dev changing, fscking udev on home machine and updating branch |
| 12:42.00 | CoreDump|work | In my book Akita could be released right now. Didn't check USB client / host stuff though |
| 12:42.04 | hrw | NOTE: package opie-image-1.0-r20: task do_build: completed |
| 12:42.24 | hrw | yeah ;) first opie-image built with .dev changes which noone (except me) has |
| 12:42.40 | CoreDump|work | heh |
| 12:43.06 | CoreDump|work | btw, we could kill some time by building the test images you talked about |
| 12:43.12 | hrw | CoreDump|work: 3.5.4 will get 2.4 for one reason - we need working release for those machines. then we upgrade people |
| 12:43.15 | hrw | CoreDump|work: sure |
| 12:44.17 | CoreDump|work | I understand that. While 2.6 would be nice to have, a working machine is preferred =) |
| 12:44.32 | hrw | yes |
| 12:44.53 | hrw | and we need to get some people from cacko/pdax/etc |
| 12:45.30 | CoreDump|work | hmm yeah but those distros have a different philosophy than OZ. |
| 12:45.41 | hrw | I have one nice patch for opie-pm but it need drw opinion. I added -verbose_wget and -recursive to options |
| 12:45.55 | CoreDump|work | meh opie-pm |
| 12:46.15 | CoreDump|work | that thing freezes my Z when I try to install a few packages at once. |
| 12:47.20 | CoreDump|work | This is _not_ acceptable for a release in my book =) It looks great and I really like the filters, but that crash bug is a complete showstopper for me |
| 12:47.57 | hrw | I know.. I do not remember how often I complained about it to drw & pigi.. |
| 12:48.25 | CoreDump|work | I really wish someone would fix that. If I could, I would... |
| 12:49.29 | hrw | 2.6 images probably lack hostap confs for pcmcia-cs.... |
| 12:49.45 | CoreDump|work | Ah, got another question for you: Is there any reason the 2.4 kernels do not ship with the "quiet" option enabled? The kernel output on boot looks really ugly IMO |
| 12:50.04 | NAbyss | hrw: Yeah, I had to manually modprobe hostap_cs under 2.6 on a borzoi.. the networking util in opie has issues with it too. |
| 12:50.27 | hrw | CoreDump|work: we discussed it with RP - kernels will get switch based on DISTRO_TYPE |
| 12:50.48 | hrw | same for orinoco/spectrum... |
| 12:51.47 | CoreDump|work | That was the case in the past yes. Debug kernels would be verbose, "release" kernels would be quiet. That does not work any longer. The checks for debug/release have been removed from kernel.bbclass |
| 12:52.28 | CoreDump|work | NAbyss: That is a configuration issue by the sounds of it. The module should auto-load. Fixes welcome =) |
| 12:53.44 | NAbyss | CoreDump|work: I'll have a play with it once I have a working sourcetree again.. just haven't had the time to do another checkout and dig around :) |
| 12:53.57 | CoreDump|work | =) |
| 12:53.58 | hrw | CoreDump|work: its by lack of hostap conf in etc/pcmcia/ |
| 12:54.50 | CoreDump|work | righto, so it's rather easy to fix. When I get my 3.5.4 images out, I'll have a go at the .dev branch |
| 12:56.56 | DataBeaver | Does bitbake gpe-image build everything I need for installing OpenZaurus? |
| 12:57.13 | hrw | yes |
| 12:57.19 | DataBeaver | Good |
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| 12:57.47 | NAbyss | DataBeaver: Hm, I'm not sure if it builds the updater.sh |
| 12:58.12 | NAbyss | If it doesn't, you'll want to bitbake zaurus-updater |
| 12:58.20 | DataBeaver | ok |
| 12:59.22 | hrw | NAbyss: it build it |
| 12:59.27 | CoreDump|work | did anyone here manage to build gpe-image or e-image with the 3.5.4 branch? |
| 12:59.40 | hrw | libmimedir problem? |
| 12:59.50 | CoreDump|work | IIRC yes |
| 13:00.02 | hrw | http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=568 |
| 13:00.09 | hrw | does it help? |
| 13:01.03 | CoreDump|work | indeed |
| 13:01.10 | CoreDump|work | "Updating to dev bb files causes libmimedir-0.3.1-r1 to be built instead." |
| 13:01.41 | DataBeaver | I suppose bitbake doesn't rebuild things unnecessarily? |
| 13:01.55 | CoreDump|work | DataBeaver: correct |
| 13:03.05 | CoreDump|work | bbl |
| 13:05.28 | NAbyss | anyone else having a libtool-native problem with .dev? |
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| 14:43.46 | DataBeaver | Bitbake could make better use of CPU time... |
| 14:44.06 | DataBeaver | It's spending a lot of realtime with low CPU load, downloading and configuring things |
| 14:44.49 | hrw | PARALLEL_MAKE="-j4" in conf/local.conf helps |
| 14:45.06 | hrw | DataBeaver: multi-threaded bitbake is in todo |
| 14:46.47 | DataBeaver | hrw: I have that enabled, but it only helps for the compilation step |
| 14:46.57 | DataBeaver | Not for downloading, patching, packaging etc. |
| 14:50.13 | DataBeaver | Any estimates on how long will building gpe-image take on dual AthlonXP 2600+? |
| 14:50.37 | DataBeaver | Will it be ready tomorrow or next week? |
| 14:51.24 | NAbyss | A day at most |
| 14:51.52 | NAbyss | Takes about a day on this box.. athlon 2000 |
| 14:52.15 | DataBeaver | ok |
| 14:52.28 | DataBeaver | Hm, how about distributed bitbake? |
| 14:52.42 | DataBeaver | That would be cool |
| 14:52.54 | NAbyss | Could be done... but most people don't have a cluster of PCs at home |
| 14:54.51 | DataBeaver | Well, I have |
| 14:55.20 | DataBeaver | Six PCs running right now, including laptop and firewall |
| 14:56.09 | NAbyss | DataBeaver: Well, the code's there.. add it in :) |
| 14:56.35 | DataBeaver | Although this machine is about as powerful as all the others combined |
| 15:01.54 | hrw | DataBeaver: look into OE/bbclasses/ then |
| 15:02.35 | hrw | DataBeaver: run 'bitbake -cfetch gpe-image' in one shell and 'bitbake gpe-image' in another - first will fetch, second will build |
| 15:11.57 | DataBeaver | hm... |
| 15:12.22 | DataBeaver | If I interrupt it, it can continue from where it was going? |
| 15:12.55 | hrw | yes |
| 15:13.26 | DataBeaver | Actually, do I even need to stop it... I could just start the -cfetch process in another shell, right? |
| 15:13.46 | hrw | yes |
| 15:14.14 | DataBeaver | Great |
| 15:14.18 | hrw | 'bitbake -i' is interesting thing too |
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| 16:43.53 | DataBeaver | | /home/tdb/roinaa/OpenZaurus/src/build/tmp/staging/arm-linux/lib/libSM.so: undefined reference to `IceGetPeerName' |
| 16:44.01 | DataBeaver | Any guesses what's wrong? |
| 16:44.26 | DataBeaver | In package startup-notification-0.8-r0 |
| 16:44.55 | hrw | re |
| 16:45.08 | hrw | build from .dev or rom .oz354fam083? |
| 16:45.15 | DataBeaver | dev |
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| 16:57.50 | DataBeaver | Nothing appropriate in OE bugzilla... |
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| 17:18.18 | andrewy | I made an ipk out of the qte opera that was on my old sharp rom, but when I install that to GPE/oz3.5.3 (zaurus 5500), it gives an error saying that libqte is missing when I try to run it. is there a way to install libqte so that I can run qte programs? |
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| 17:18.45 | hrw | under GPE? |
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| 17:20.27 | andrewy | yes |
| 17:20.42 | hrw | best answer: forget it |
| 17:20.59 | andrewy | too difficult? |
| 17:22.08 | hrw | how you will resolve two enviroment (x11 and qte) touching framebuffer etc? |
| 17:22.25 | hrw | gpe-minibrowser or how it was called will be better |
| 17:22.34 | andrewy | what is minibrowser? |
| 17:22.45 | hrw | www browser for gpe |
| 17:22.48 | andrewy | oh thats true, didnt think about qte as another x server |
| 17:22.59 | hrw | dont remember does it was available for 3.5.3 officially |
| 17:23.33 | andrewy | ill try it |
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| 17:53.31 | Luke-Jr | andrewy: qte doesn't use an X server and would conflict with it |
| 17:53.43 | andrewy | yeah, i forgot that it had its own framebuffer |
| 17:53.55 | Luke-Jr | andrewy: gpe-minibrowser is based on KHTML/Konqueror, which is the best rendering engine to exist today |
| 17:53.57 | andrewy | im used to everything running on top of X |
| 17:54.25 | andrewy | i did a ipkg search '*minibrower*' and it didnt find that, is it not in the default feeds? |
| 17:54.35 | Luke-Jr | dunno |
| 17:54.42 | Luke-Jr | my feed (Cxx0 only) has it |
| 17:54.49 | andrewy | ok |
| 17:55.49 | Luke-Jr | http://luke.dashjr.org/programs/oz-ljr/feed/ |
| 17:56.14 | hrw | Luke-Jr: I prefer gecko over khtml |
| 17:56.21 | Luke-Jr | gecko sucks =p |
| 17:56.39 | andrewy | i have a 5500 anyways, i guess ill try opie since most of the programs seem to be for qte |
| 17:56.39 | Luke-Jr | it can't even do text shadowing |
| 17:56.58 | Luke-Jr | andrewy: the good programs are all for X |
| 17:57.27 | Luke-Jr | andrewy: if you want to setup OE, you might be able to build a Qt2/X11 and run Qt/Opie apps under X |
| 17:57.52 | andrewy | i have OE setup, no idea what i'm doing though |
| 17:58.36 | Luke-Jr | run: bitbake -i |
| 17:58.39 | Luke-Jr | to get the bitbake prompt |
| 17:58.49 | Luke-Jr | then 'build PROGRAMNAME' to compile a program |
| 17:59.00 | Luke-Jr | or 'build gpe-image' to compile, eg, a GPE image |
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| 17:59.23 | mimecar | hi |
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| 18:00.12 | CoreDump|home | hi |
| 18:00.24 | mimecar | evening CoreDump|home |
| 18:01.03 | andrewy | i did that last night with nano, i did a ls | wc -l on the directory it put the ipk's in and there were over 1000 |
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| 18:02.02 | hrw | thats normal |
| 18:02.42 | Luke-Jr | andrewy: it needed to build the libraries and such that nano uses |
| 18:02.51 | Luke-Jr | andrewy: not to mention locales/translations of them |
| 18:02.57 | andrewy | I see |
| 18:03.01 | andrewy | how do I know which ones to install? |
| 18:03.06 | Luke-Jr | just install nano |
| 18:03.10 | andrewy | ok |
| 18:03.14 | Luke-Jr | if it needs the others, it will do them automaticially |
| 18:03.26 | Luke-Jr | ipkg isn't dumb ;) |
| 18:03.39 | andrewy | well, not if i copy over just the nano build, they're all on my desktop |
| 18:04.06 | andrewy | i guess i should run thttpd and put that directory inside it to use as a feed |
| 18:05.48 | andrewy | how would I go about building qt2/x11 like you suggested? |
| 18:08.32 | Luke-Jr | it's not part of OE right now |
| 18:08.38 | Luke-Jr | you'd need to add it |
| 18:08.38 | andrewy | i see |
| 18:09.03 | Luke-Jr | qt-x11-free_3.3.5.bb might be a reference |
| 18:09.10 | Luke-Jr | or qte_2.3.10.bb |
| 18:09.58 | hrw | or maybe help move opie to qt4/x11 |
| 18:10.18 | Luke-Jr | hrw: someone is working on that? |
| 18:11.21 | hrw | worked |
| 18:11.34 | hrw | few months ago |
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| 19:13.27 | DataBeaver | Does anyone else have problems with startup-notification in the dev branch? |
| 19:13.52 | hrw | started build.. |
| 19:14.20 | DataBeaver | I get .../build/tmp/staging/arm-linux/lib/libSM.so: undefined reference to `IceGetPeerName' |
| 19:14.46 | hrw | fscked pkgconfig strikes again probably |
| 19:15.16 | DataBeaver | The commandline does have libICE.so on it though |
| 19:16.03 | DataBeaver | Hm, the lib doesn't have IceGetPeerName but _IceGetPeerName instead |
| 19:16.19 | DataBeaver | The corresponding lib on my desktop system has both |
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| 19:39.29 | andrewy | any idea why the sound wont work with GPE on my 5500 with oz 3.5.3? |
| 19:39.56 | hrw | because 5500 does not have a speaker which gpe expect |
| 19:40.06 | hrw | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:40.45 | andrewy | the sharp rom uses the speaker though, gpe just doesnt have support for it? |
| 19:40.51 | hrw | yep |
| 19:41.08 | hrw | sharp rom and opie use buzzer (not speaker) which is in 5500 |
| 19:41.13 | andrewy | ah |
| 19:41.25 | hrw | it is not sound device |
| 19:41.39 | hrw | just few ioctl to make it beep |
| 19:41.44 | andrewy | i see |
| 19:41.49 | andrewy | so its not really useful anyways |
| 19:42.11 | raduga | hi peoples! |
| 19:42.45 | hrw | hi raduga |
| 19:43.28 | raduga | eh, bye hrw |
| 19:43.47 | hrw|afk | bb in 10-30 for watching tv |
| 19:44.22 | raduga | I haven't tried to build OE in over a month; and now, grabbing latest OE.db I seem to have some problems |
| 19:44.47 | raduga | actually, all the snapshots from january have some trouble or another; I'm wondering if somethign else in the chain should be upgraded |
| 19:45.26 | raduga | have there been significant changes or something to monotone or bitbake in the past month? |
| 19:45.33 | hrw|afk | #oe |
| 19:45.50 | raduga | er. trying to build OZ, with oe :/ |
| 19:46.24 | Luke-Jr | you're asking OE questions |
| 19:46.38 | raduga | hrw: i've been trying to, where possible, avoid asking really stupid questions in #oe because I seem to be annoying #oe people lately :) |
| 19:46.46 | raduga | luke-jr: yes |
| 19:47.28 | Luke-Jr | OZ refers to particular output, it doesn't include OE |
| 19:47.34 | Luke-Jr | so the question is OT here |
| 19:51.06 | raduga | the basic problem seems to be that I'm off-topic in any channel I visit :/ |
| 19:51.40 | raduga | thank you for your patience :) |
| 19:59.44 | DataBeaver | hrw: Any ideas on my problem? |
| 20:06.50 | raduga | i think he's watching tv |
| 20:08.09 | DataBeaver | oh |
| 20:08.45 | hrw|tv | re |
| 20:10.12 | DataBeaver | Wow, _that's_ slow |
| 20:10.45 | DataBeaver | Even the 11M card on my Zaurus managed to spend only a few minutes with a 40M file |
| 20:11.10 | Luke-Jr | my bottleneck is usually encryption and/or disk rate |
| 20:11.15 | Luke-Jr | flash writing doesn't seem to be that fast |
| 20:11.44 | hrw|tv | DataBeaver: use .oz354fam083 for oz 3.5.4 or keep older OE |
| 20:11.54 | hrw|tv | DataBeaver: its 11M card - but antenna broken |
| 20:12.31 | hrw|tv | it can works as 1M max only... |
| 20:12.41 | DataBeaver | heh |
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| 20:12.50 | Luke-Jr | fix the antenna |
| 20:13.59 | hrw|tv | Luke-Jr: show me info how to open dcf-660w without destroying it more |
| 20:14.23 | DataBeaver | Hey, that's the same card that I have. |
| 20:14.36 | DataBeaver | If it's under warranty, get it repaired |
| 20:14.47 | DataBeaver | Or exchanged more likely |
| 20:15.31 | hrw|tv | I got it donated when it was used |
| 20:15.50 | DataBeaver | ok, then it's probably not under warranty |
| 20:16.12 | DataBeaver | Although these things sometimes have surprisingly long warranty periods... |
| 20:16.40 | DataBeaver | I had a laptop wlan card with 5 years warranty. |
| 20:16.58 | hrw|tv | and I would have to send it to reversed side of world.... |
| 20:17.20 | DataBeaver | I have pretty much the same thing if my Zaurus ever breaks... |
| 20:17.36 | DataBeaver | HAd to order it from Japan, and I'm in Finland |
| 20:18.10 | raduga | does trisoft ship to finland? |
| 20:19.14 | DataBeaver | Yeah (I think), but it was more expensive there |
| 20:19.34 | DataBeaver | If there had been some reseller in Finland, that would have been another matter |
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| 20:20.05 | kakos | hrw|tv: You around? |
| 20:20.06 | DataBeaver | But if I have to order it from somewhere else anyway, I may as well order where it's cheapest |
| 20:20.43 | hrw|tv | from time to time kakos |
| 20:21.16 | kakos | Do you need a tester for SL-C860 for 3.5.4? |
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| 20:22.03 | hrw|tv | any testers are welcome |
| 20:22.16 | hrw|tv | s/any/all |
| 20:22.45 | raduga | kakos: yes, please |
| 20:22.47 | kakos | Cool. Do I need to do anything to sign up? |
| 20:23.28 | raduga | nope. |
| 20:23.54 | raduga | unless you plan to contribute patches back to the tree |
| 20:24.44 | raduga | there's a "release candidate" in the openzaurus unofficial download place. |
| 20:25.00 | raduga | if you want more bleeding edge than that, you'll need the OE build system |
| 20:25.30 | raduga | sorry. "official/unstable" |
| 20:25.31 | raduga | not unofficial |
| 20:26.12 | kakos | raduga: Cool. I'll grab it tonight and flash my Zaurus. :) |
| 20:26.15 | raduga | kakos: if all you want to do is run the 3.5.4 system, its a piece of cake. (just grab the rc) |
| 20:26.39 | raduga | if you want to build your own from the latest sources, its a bit more work |
| 20:27.07 | kakos | raduga: And, unfortunately, I believe impossible at the moment since I lack an x86 box |
| 20:27.40 | hrw|tv | that 3.5.4-rc are old... I should beuild newer |
| 20:27.40 | raduga | do you have access to a non-x86 unix box? |
| 20:27.53 | raduga | hrw: thank you :) |
| 20:28.03 | DataBeaver | Mac perhaps? |
| 20:28.24 | kakos | raduga: I have a few Mac boxes running OS X |
| 20:29.04 | raduga | it should be fine. It might be a little more work setting up the build system (since iirc, its mostly targeted at a linux build platform) but shouldn't be impossible |
| 20:29.17 | raduga | mostly targeted/mostly used in |
| 20:29.36 | raduga | x86 can't run zaurus bins anyhow. |
| 20:30.02 | raduga | check the "getting started" pages on www.openzaurus.org |
| 20:30.14 | kakos | Hmmm. I asked someone about setting up the development environment on OS X and said that it hadn't been successfully done. |
| 20:30.46 | raduga | actually... you'll want the openembedded "getting started" |
| 20:30.54 | raduga | kakos: ah :( |
| 20:31.28 | kakos | raduga: I'll give it a try sometime |
| 20:31.35 | raduga | if that's the case, OE needs more osx developers :/ |
| 20:32.27 | kakos | Heh. osx is woefully under-represented in the open source community. |
| 20:33.12 | raduga | btw, ask in #oe your questions about the openzaurus build system |
| 20:33.33 | raduga | (which is... curiously enough, called Open Embedded) |
| 20:33.38 | Luke-Jr | kakos: OSX isn't open source, and thus really overrepresented |
| 20:33.48 | hrw|tv | http://www.air-stream.org/dcf660 ;) |
| 20:35.07 | kakos | Luke-Jr: Well, the underlying Unix it runs on is open source, as are a lot of the applications. Mostly, the GUI is the only non-open source thing in osx |
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| 21:06.10 | CoreDump|afk | hrw|tv: ping |
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| 21:15.54 | CoreDump|home | hrw|tv: never mind, found it. |
| 21:16.32 | DataBeaver | Is there any list of the software included in the standard gpe-image? |
| 21:17.26 | DataBeaver | Some screenshots would also be nice... |
| 21:18.23 | DataBeaver | Okay, found shots |
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| 23:38.36 | andrewy | when tutorials talk about putting root on an SD, that means all of / will be on the SD card, right? So with my 5500, there will be nothing in the 14mb partition that normally resides on /? |
| 23:39.21 | CoreDump|home | depends on the tutorial =) |
| 23:39.32 | CoreDump|home | both ways are possible |
| 23:39.39 | hrw | CoreDump|home is mastah of root->sd |
| 23:39.46 | andrewy | "Root on SD," http://openzaurus.org/wordpress/howto/root-on-sd/ |
| 23:39.56 | andrewy | is there a better way to do it? |
| 23:40.26 | CoreDump|home | well, no idea honestly. Never did it this way |
| 23:40.43 | andrewy | how did you do it? |
| 23:41.49 | CoreDump|home | well, err. I compile images made for root on $anything |
| 23:42.08 | CoreDump|home | no ROM ripping required that way |
| 23:42.20 | andrewy | ah, ok |
| 23:43.20 | CoreDump|home | but the tutorial looks good. Although it depends on external scripts a little bit too much IMO |
| 23:44.17 | hrw | CoreDump|home: when we will release 3.5.4 with altboot then could you update that article with altboot info? |
| 23:44.44 | CoreDump|home | sure |
| 23:45.05 | hrw | great |
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| 23:59.43 | hrw | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:59.48 | hrw | buuuuu..... |
