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| 00:26.24 | simcop2387-vnc | is there a way to make ny zaurus beep in gpe like it did in opie? |
| 00:27.28 | andrewy | no, don't think gpe has support for that |
| 00:27.54 | shadows | NAbyss: you around buddy? |
| 00:43.00 | simcop2387-vnc | andrewy, any idea how opie does it? if not i'll check out the source to make a program to do it on the cli |
| 00:43.58 | andrewy | afaik the sound is made by a buzzer or something (not an actual speaker) and it uses that |
| 00:46.43 | simcop2387-vnc | thats what i figured guess i'll have to dig around oin the source |
| 01:33.05 | andrewy | when I use the sharp-compat-libs, no text shows up in the program.. anywhere there would be text normally is blank. does anyone know how to fix that? |
| 02:00.12 | shadows | i am not even sure what the problem is |
| 02:01.33 | andrewy | i'm running kismet-qt with runcompat, but anywhere it would normally have text is blank |
| 02:02.14 | andrewy | for example when I start it a dialog box comes up, but where the writing should be is completely blank |
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| 04:40.00 | shadows | hmm |
| 04:40.06 | shadows | anyone else with a c3000 ? |
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| 05:15.50 | shadows | :/ |
| 05:15.56 | shadows | i'm really eager to use my wifi card |
| 05:16.01 | shadows | i must upgrade it first though |
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| 06:55.47 | shadows | how would y'all suggest i build the hostap modules, using a special modification to the source? |
| 06:56.09 | shadows | throw a patch in there and 'bitbake hostap-modules-0.3.9' ? |
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| 07:13.33 | luke-jr_ | shadows: w/o the version |
| 07:13.38 | luke-jr_ | obviously, add the patch to the .bb file |
| 07:13.46 | luke-jr_ | and bump the PR by .1 |
| 07:15.16 | luke-jr_ | eg, append SRC_URL w/ file://mypatch.patch;patch=1 and PR = "r7.1" |
| 07:16.31 | shadows | | /home/jnc/opensource/openzaurus32/build/tmp/work/gcc-cross-initial-3.4.4-r3/gcc-3.4.4/gcc/crtstuff.c:1: internal compiler error: Segmentation fault |
| 07:16.34 | shadows | ... |
| 07:18.05 | shadows | what's this segmentation fault about |
| 07:18.06 | shadows | :( |
| 07:18.16 | shadows | luke-jr_: the PR is something i missed, thanks |
| 07:19.56 | shadows | luke-jr_: http://pastebin.com/511154 |
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| 07:31.11 | Mark___ | guys, how can I add opie-textedit to the applications menu? |
| 07:31.27 | Mark___ | with a nice, pretty icon for me to click |
| 08:19.20 | kendhome | my zaurus no longer boots :( |
| 08:19.31 | kendhome | i get the "Open Zaurus" logo and penguin monster |
| 08:19.35 | kendhome | i think a flashing cursor... |
| 08:19.38 | kendhome | and then it turns itself off :( |
| 08:19.47 | kendhome | CoreDump|home: you around? :) |
| 08:19.56 | kendhome | last thing i did was it was play MP3s with XMMS when i went to bed |
| 08:20.13 | kendhome | i woke up and it was off... i looked at it, hit Cancel/On/Off, it started to power up... then died |
| 08:20.22 | kendhome | that's the last thing i saw it doing :( |
| 08:20.56 | DataBeaver | Sounds like a dead battery for me... But I suppose you had it on AC power? |
| 08:22.49 | kendhome | yes :) |
| 08:24.23 | kendhome | i kinda give up |
| 08:24.32 | kendhome | i was up between 3am and 7am sat trying to get OZ to work |
| 08:24.43 | DataBeaver | I got no offhand ideas then... |
| 08:24.44 | kendhome | then tried CoreDump's CardFS variation |
| 08:25.12 | kendhome | my SD might be massively dead |
| 08:25.25 | kendhome | it was only reporting like 57MB instead of 64 |
| 08:25.43 | DataBeaver | With a filesystem on it? |
| 08:25.49 | DataBeaver | And exactly what reported 57MB? |
| 08:26.28 | prh | DataBeaver: right I'm about to flash - but what/how should I backup my old rom/md ? |
| 08:27.39 | kendhome | oh, df |
| 08:27.44 | DataBeaver | Don't know about the rom... I used tar and netcat for the md |
| 08:27.50 | DataBeaver | kendhome: That's pretty normal then |
| 08:27.51 | prh | DataBeaver: cool |
| 08:27.52 | kendhome | after mkfs.ext2'ing it to prepare it for CardFS |
| 08:28.16 | DataBeaver | ext2 reserves 5% to root by default |
| 08:28.16 | kendhome | the SD is from back when i had my 5500, so it's about 4yo now ;) |
| 08:28.22 | prh | kendhome: 57 sounds about right then |
| 08:28.27 | kendhome | oh, interesting |
| 08:28.29 | DataBeaver | And those show up as used in df |
| 08:28.42 | kendhome | well, i believe it showed 0 was used |
| 08:28.47 | DataBeaver | Additionally, the inode tables and such take some space |
| 08:28.49 | prh | kendhome: could try running badblocks on the sd card (shove it in a pc) |
| 08:28.59 | kendhome | i don't have a SD reader for my PC :^/ just CF |
| 08:29.11 | DataBeaver | Okay, correction, they don't show up as used nor free |
| 08:29.13 | prh | get an sd-cf adaptor then :O) |
| 08:29.21 | kendhome | heheheheh |
| 08:29.27 | kendhome | DataBeaver: hrm |
| 08:29.51 | DataBeaver | rootfs from my main desktop: |
| 08:29.52 | DataBeaver | /dev/hda1 1012 147 814 16% / |
| 08:30.12 | DataBeaver | 814+147=961 |
| 08:30.20 | DataBeaver | That doesn't quite add up to 1012 |
| 08:30.21 | kendhome | heh, mine is: /dev/hda2 16216016 15265752 126532 100% / |
| 08:30.49 | kendhome | i think, though, my SD was reporting 57MB total |
| 08:30.58 | kendhome | it was late at night, in a tiny-font konsole with bad wrapping |
| 08:31.02 | kendhome | so i could be totally misinformed ;) |
| 08:31.12 | kendhome | i think i'll just end up reverting to the latest Sharp ROM for now |
| 08:31.14 | DataBeaver | heh |
| 08:31.25 | kendhome | i tried the Qtopia ROM (which i hadn't heard of until sat night, and was what prompted me to start flashing things) |
| 08:31.30 | kendhome | it was _hella_ unstable |
| 08:31.43 | kendhome | Qtopia stuff would crash and console text would start overwriting the GUI |
| 08:32.02 | kendhome | anyway, i should get to bed :) |
| 08:32.07 | kendhome | rough week, sleep-wise, so far ;) |
| 08:32.10 | kendhome | damned zaurus ;) |
| 08:32.17 | DataBeaver | Checking the workability of the SD would probably be a good idea... Although I don't see how an error would cause the device to shut off. |
| 08:32.39 | kendhome | yeah, no idea what's causing it to shut off.. tried Reset and reboot, but to no avail |
| 08:32.50 | prh | does it boot without the sd card? |
| 08:32.58 | kendhome | have not tried reflash yet... it takes a long time, and then if I do a cardFS install, it takes longer |
| 08:33.08 | kendhome | actually, good point... no, i don't think it booted w/o SD either |
| 08:33.16 | kendhome | never showed ANY text... just the Open Zaurus logo at the top, and a cursor |
| 08:33.23 | kendhome | then: power off :( |
| 08:34.31 | kendhome | anyway, i'll figure it out some time this week. :) thx tho! |
| 08:34.45 | kendhome | and maybe one day i'll get a 5600 |
| 08:34.57 | prh | when you do poweron with OK - there are four options - 4 is the flash menu - what are the others? |
| 08:34.59 | DataBeaver | Hm, it was a few minutes for me... Although with SL-C3100 and 2.6 only the kernel goes to flash. |
| 08:35.30 | DataBeaver | Well, bus leaving in 7 mins, gotta go. |
| 08:35.53 | kendhome | prh: me? |
| 08:35.58 | kendhome | i get _nothing_ |
| 08:36.03 | kendhome | not even the "press any key for altboot" |
| 08:36.07 | kendhome | it just powers down :( |
| 08:38.58 | prh | sounds like altboot could be corrupt |
| 08:39.14 | prh | you've done a full reset (battery out, power off) |
| 08:39.43 | kendhome | like, 24hr? |
| 08:39.50 | kendhome | (let it drain the internal?) |
| 08:40.09 | kendhome | or just flip the switch, remove the batt, unplug AC |
| 08:40.19 | kendhome | then put it all back together and flip the switch back to Normal...? |
| 08:41.18 | kendhome | yikes, same thing :( |
| 08:41.36 | kendhome | heh, the cursor blinks, too |
| 08:42.11 | kendhome | flashin'... |
| 08:42.15 | prh | in that menu there are options to do checks - get it to check the flash |
| 08:42.17 | kendhome | (damnit, i need to go to bed! :) ) |
| 08:42.18 | prh | ah |
| 08:42.22 | kendhome | prh - n omenu :) |
| 08:42.42 | kendhome | i noticed some other key+key+Reset tricks i had never heard of, over on the ZUG site |
| 08:42.47 | kendhome | i doubt those'll be necessary |
| 08:42.53 | kendhome | i think it's just what's flashed is unhappy |
| 08:45.16 | kendhome | done... booting up |
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| 08:45.32 | kendhome | wow, shit! same thing! 8^{ |
| 08:46.08 | kendhome | wow |
| 08:46.45 | kendhome | now i have to flip the Normal/Replace-Batt switch to get it to come back on, even |
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| 08:47.49 | alan|home | hi all |
| 08:47.58 | kendhome | OH SHIT |
| 08:48.05 | kendhome | i think it was connected to the wall outlet that's on the switch |
| 08:48.06 | kendhome | ARGH |
| 08:48.18 | alan|home | kendhome: how sweet when i wake up ;) |
| 08:48.25 | kendhome | hehe |
| 08:48.30 | kendhome | *sigh* :) |
| 08:48.38 | kendhome | this apt. sucks :) |
| 08:48.55 | kendhome | the one AC outlet in this other room (which i use as an office) that actually has 3 prongs is |
| 08:48.59 | kendhome | (1) not _actually_ grounded |
| 08:49.05 | kendhome | (2) connected to the light switch |
| 08:49.20 | kendhome | so my wife made a paper cover to put over the switch with simply this written on it: "NO!" |
| 08:49.24 | XorA | kendhome: thats a worry breach of building regs :-) |
| 08:49.52 | kendhome | this place _sucks_ :) |
| 08:49.57 | kendhome | not as bad as this one house we rented |
| 08:50.03 | kendhome | but still pretty terrible |
| 08:50.09 | kendhome | and we're in silicon valley!!! |
| 08:50.15 | kendhome | it's relatively cheap, though :^/ |
| 08:50.19 | kendhome | and gets DSL :) |
| 08:50.26 | kendhome | ok, zaurus reinstalling cardfs :) whee |
| 08:50.44 | kendhome | next time, i'll double-check it's plugged into the right outlet before reflashing ;) |
| 08:51.00 | kendhome | that's what i get for doing this stuff so late at night ;) heheheh |
| 08:51.13 | kendhome | ANYWAY.. .speaking of that! good night! |
| 08:51.19 | kendhome | thanks for the suggestions. sorry i'm a total retard. ;) hehehe |
| 08:57.29 | alan|home | good night kendhome |
| 08:59.01 | alan|home | XorA: hey dude. Do you know if any progress have been made about the overloaded sound mixer ? |
| 08:59.59 | XorA | alan|home: I dont see the problem, so no idea |
| 09:01.21 | alan|home | XorA: ho, yeah, that is right Mister My-zaurus-always-work-and-i-don't-understand-why-yours-don't.... ;) |
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| 09:04.14 | XorA | alan|home: :-D |
| 09:04.26 | XorA | alan|home: what kernel version you running? |
| 09:04.38 | alan|home | 2.6.15, iirc |
| 09:04.39 | XorA | alan|home: and was yours a c860? |
| 09:04.46 | alan|home | 750 |
| 09:05.01 | XorA | alan|home: ah, I suppose that might be slightly different hardware or something |
| 09:05.13 | alan|home | i guess so |
| 09:05.24 | johnX | What exactly do you mean by "overloaded mixer"? |
| 09:05.25 | XorA | or maybe in my old age I is just death |
| 09:05.47 | XorA | erm deaf |
| 09:09.13 | alan|home | johnX: well... trying to play a mp3, it sounds like my speaker is burning down... |
| 09:09.30 | johnX | hmmm |
| 09:09.57 | johnX | well, ok you have something different than me :) |
| 09:10.10 | alan|home | ha ? |
| 09:10.36 | johnX | I'm "missing" certain frequencies |
| 09:10.54 | alan|home | mmm... myabe something like that, in fact... |
| 09:11.18 | johnX | when I play certain music the mid area (like guitars and sometimes voices) seems to just "not be there" |
| 09:11.57 | XorA | johnX: turned de-emphasis off, that makes mine sound sqelchy |
| 09:12.00 | alan|home | yeah, i noticed it would not play some parts, indeed... yet the rest is not correctly plaied anyway... |
| 09:15.21 | alan|home | what is the "Sidetone" ? |
| 09:16.35 | XorA | alan|home: a horrible noise :-) |
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| 09:18.22 | johnX | I figured it out: At one point in the past I complained about not having enough options to play with in alsamixer. I think I'm being punished |
| 09:18.33 | alan|home | XorA: ok, so i guess i mute it... |
| 09:18.36 | hrw | hi |
| 09:18.44 | alan|home | hi hrw |
| 09:18.53 | johnX | good morning |
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| 11:16.45 | _law_ | hi is there a way to get german umlauts via Z keyboard? in gpe |
| 11:17.40 | hrw | remap keys |
| 11:17.54 | _law_ | hrw, in /etc/keymaps* |
| 11:18.43 | hrw | for example |
| 11:18.46 | hrw | or by xmodmap |
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| 11:27.55 | _law_ | hrw, you have build gnokii 0.6.10 times ago, there where a bluetooth problem, any ideas you have fixed this? |
| 11:29.44 | hrw | I just do build |
| 11:31.08 | _law_ | hrw, but there was an -lbluetooth build problem or? |
| 11:31.39 | hrw | iirc it was built with bluetooth |
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| 12:39.47 | _law_ | is there an openzaurus logo anywhere? |
| 12:40.19 | hrw | opie-cvs/pics/logo/ maybe |
| 12:40.59 | hrw | opie/cvs/pics/logo/opielogo.png |
| 12:41.54 | _law_ | hrw, a own one would be nice |
| 12:42.14 | hrw | _law_: iirc opie project got logo from OZ |
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| 12:58.35 | Mardy | hi |
| 13:22.20 | prh | hrw: is there a known problem with keyrepeat on 2.6 kernels? (C3100) |
| 13:22.30 | hrw | too fast? |
| 13:24.09 | prh | yea |
| 13:24.29 | prh | but not all the time - unpredictable |
| 13:24.42 | hrw | we install console-tools with kbdrate which can be used to configure speed |
| 13:24.49 | prh | cool |
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| 13:38.28 | benpi | hi |
| 13:39.50 | benpi | to update a tosa from sharp rom to oz 3.5.4-rc, would the "new" method work, or is the "old method" recommanded ? (old/new methods as described on http://openzaurus.org/wordpress/installation/sl-6000/) ? |
| 13:42.51 | benpi | (and should the CF be vfat or ext2 (or ...) formated ?) |
| 13:43.52 | hrw|food | vfat rather |
| 13:43.54 | hrw|food | benpi: write a comment in '3.5.4 release plans' post on openzaurus.org and you will get 3.5.4-prefinal image to test |
| 13:44.23 | hrw|food | its newer then 3.5.4-rc1 |
| 13:45.15 | benpi | hrw|food: yes, I've done this and I've the 20060118115942 images |
| 13:45.45 | benpi | but am affraid to miss-flash it :) |
| 13:46.04 | hrw|food | ah. |
| 13:46.38 | hrw|food | zImage.bin, initrd.bin, updater.sh and flash |
| 13:47.37 | benpi | ok, thank you for the tips |
| 13:47.41 | prh | hrw|food: any idea of an ETA for the prefinal? |
| 13:48.25 | prh | hmm food |
| 13:48.37 | hrw|food | today I should have it for all machines |
| 13:48.56 | hrw|food | now poodle is building, then c7x0 and all done |
| 13:49.44 | prh | yeaha :) |
| 13:57.24 | hrw|food | poodle255 kernel |
| 14:10.17 | hrw|food | building c7x0 now |
| 14:16.08 | kolla | new collie kernel as well? |
| 14:16.29 | hrw | how new? |
| 14:16.40 | hrw | same 2.4.18 as in 3.5.4-rc |
| 14:17.05 | prh | hmm gpe still doesn't feel as polished as opie. but opie doesn't feel as useful. |
| 14:17.46 | prh | how easy is it run opie apps under X or vice-versa? |
| 14:18.41 | hrw | x under opie - use x/qt |
| 14:18.56 | hrw | other way.. hmm. qvfb is a choice but very slow |
| 14:22.24 | prh | x/qt coo - does that come with the opie image? or is a 'feed' item? |
| 14:22.35 | kolla | I have this ipv6 annoyance with the 2.4.18 kernel that was fixed in th early 2.4.2x |
| 14:22.36 | prh | (I presume we use the 2.5.3 feed still) |
| 14:22.54 | kolla | would be nice to get rid of it :) |
| 14:23.07 | hrw | kolla: patches welcome |
| 14:23.15 | kolla | yes, I know :) |
| 14:23.36 | hrw | 2.4-crapix are ... you know crap |
| 14:23.39 | prh | walked straight into that :O) |
| 14:24.08 | hrw | benpi: flashed? |
| 14:24.27 | prh | hrw: there is a rootfs.img and a rootfs.tar.gz - I presume the former is for flash... the later for hd? |
| 14:25.12 | hrw | prh: img is or flashing, tarball for those who use other ways of booting.. such like 'boot rom ext2 file on sd', 'boot from sd' etc |
| 14:25.30 | hrw | prh: or just wanted to look what is inside of image before they wil flash |
| 14:25.59 | prh | so when I'm flashing - which do I use? (C3100) |
| 14:26.20 | hrw | img |
| 14:26.27 | kolla | I wonder how much one can patch the 2.4.18 kernel and still call it 2.4.18 :) |
| 14:26.37 | prh | hrw: ah. oops |
| 14:26.52 | hrw | kolla: how much one can patch 2.4.18 and still call it kernel |
| 14:26.59 | kolla | ;) |
| 14:27.50 | hrw | current 2.4.18/collie has 7-10M of extra patches applied |
| 14:28.03 | kolla | what if you grab a 2.4.20 kernel and just.. name it 2.4.18? :) |
| 14:28.31 | hrw | kolla: what for? |
| 14:28.46 | prh | hrw - that img - should it be called hdimage1.tgz ? |
| 14:28.55 | hrw | prh: initrd.bin |
| 14:29.00 | prh | oh! |
| 14:29.04 | hrw | I will work on filenames |
| 14:29.04 | kolla | dunno... fool modutils to load the sharp modules? :) |
| 14:30.07 | hrw | prh: look into akita dir - is that cleaner? |
| 14:32.22 | prh | yea |
| 14:32.36 | prh | I'm confused by http://openzaurus.org/wordpress/installation/sl-c3100/ |
| 14:32.40 | prh | specifically: |
| 14:32.51 | prh | For 2.6 kernels we ignore the flash entirely and install onto the microdrive directly. The first partition (/dev/hda1) on the microdrive becomes the root partition, /dev/hda2 is /home and /dev/hda3 becomes /media/hdd. Unfortunately the standard microdrives partitioning wont work as the root partition is too small. You need to resize this using the instructions below before attempting to flash a 2.6 kernel. The files required for reflashing are: |
| 14:33.00 | prh | gnu-tar |
| 14:33.02 | prh | hdimage1.tgz |
| 14:33.05 | prh | zImage.bin |
| 14:33.07 | prh | is that out of date now? |
| 14:33.09 | prh | updater.sh |
| 14:34.08 | hrw | 3.5.4 use 2.4 kernel for 3100 |
| 14:34.25 | prh | ooh the gpe2.7/powered by page is in portrait |
| 14:34.34 | prh | argh - 2.4! eugh :O) |
| 14:34.59 | hrw | all machines prepared |
| 14:35.46 | prh | what's wrong with 2.6 on borzoi? |
| 14:35.51 | prh | nice work |
| 14:36.08 | hrw | images takes 459M |
| 14:36.19 | prh | crumbs |
| 14:36.27 | hrw | prh: will be in a future - now we have 3.5.4 release |
| 14:37.27 | hrw | I have some post 3.5.4 plans ofcourse |
| 14:38.15 | prh | so what is the recommended way to install lots of software... on the hd if root is in flash? |
| 14:39.21 | hrw | ipkg -d hdd and ipkg-link |
| 14:39.45 | prh | ta |
| 14:39.54 | DataBeaver | prh: If you're using the files I gave you, you'll want hdimage1.tgz |
| 14:40.22 | prh | DataBeaver: yea I was using them earlier- testing out hrw's new images just now :O) |
| 14:40.26 | DataBeaver | ok |
| 14:41.48 | prh | hrw: should I be able to 'alt-tab' ? |
| 14:42.07 | hrw | to build test images I used 12G space just for build - not counting archive with sources |
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| 14:48.08 | kolla | IMO it would make sense to install directly to SD (or CF) on collie as well |
| 14:49.50 | hrw | on collie I moved /opt/ to sd card and symlinked /media/card/opt -> /opt so I could just install to / |
| 14:50.00 | hrw | but its good for opie |
| 14:50.32 | hrw | collie images will be updated soon anyway - CoreDump|home works on altboot |
| 14:53.53 | kolla | for some weird reason, when using altboot, "cardmgr -o" fails to work from the scripts, but if I run it manually it workd :P |
| 14:54.01 | kolla | works |
| 14:54.23 | hrw | strange |
| 14:54.27 | kolla | or.. if I do "exec /linuxrc" it also works |
| 14:55.08 | kolla | it doesnt work when run automatically from the startup script, it always works after shell is opened first |
| 14:55.18 | kolla | "opened" as in.. user prompt |
| 14:56.10 | kolla | doesnt bother me much since I rarely boot.. the zaurus is one of the machines that survive power failures :) |
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| 15:28.27 | CoreDump|home | hi |
| 15:29.17 | CoreDump|home | ah ewi is up again |
| 15:29.34 | hrw | CoreDump|home: want to test 3.5.4? |
| 15:30.14 | CoreDump|home | I did that for the past few day? =) Anyways, I'm about to build images with an up-to-date branch snapshot |
| 15:30.27 | hrw | ;) |
| 15:30.45 | hrw | I heard that you worked on altboot a bit |
| 15:31.26 | CoreDump|home | right |
| 15:31.31 | CoreDump|home | but "monotone: connecting to ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl" |
| 15:31.39 | CoreDump|home | it's still down |
| 15:31.55 | hrw | use vanille |
| 15:31.55 | CoreDump|home | is vanille.de up to date? |
| 15:32.11 | hrw | yep |
| 15:32.16 | CoreDump|home | hmm mickeyl had no chance to fix my key there, yet =) |
| 15:32.20 | hrw | I;m pushing to it now |
| 15:32.22 | hrw | ah. |
| 15:32.25 | CoreDump|home | meh, I'll send you a diff |
| 15:32.44 | CoreDump|home | in an hour or so ok? |
| 15:32.54 | hrw | ok |
| 15:34.29 | CoreDump|home | what's up w/ ewi anyways? |
| 15:35.20 | hrw | machine is up but koen need to start monotone |
| 15:47.49 | hrw | cu |
| 15:58.26 | prh | with hrw's new borzoi image... no resume... |
| 15:58.37 | prh | that's a bit like, poo |
| 15:59.00 | CoreDump|home | prh: kernel 2.4 or 2.6? |
| 15:59.04 | prh | it's 2.4 |
| 15:59.15 | prh | the new test images hrw has just put p |
| 15:59.17 | CoreDump|home | ohh, that's bad |
| 15:59.21 | prh | yea :O) |
| 15:59.42 | prh | nothing when the on/home buttons are pressed. zip |
| 15:59.44 | prh | nada |
| 15:59.47 | prh | nietse |
| 15:59.52 | prh | nuttin' |
| 16:00.09 | CoreDump|home | opie or GPE image? |
| 16:00.12 | prh | gpe |
| 16:00.23 | DataBeaver | Hm, is there any kind of "daily snapshot" feed for OZ? |
| 16:00.24 | prh | I'll try the opie |
| 16:00.26 | CoreDump|home | ah, well, can't commenton that |
| 16:00.42 | CoreDump|home | DataBeaver: not that I knew of |
| 16:00.56 | DataBeaver | I wonder if I could set one up... |
| 16:01.09 | DataBeaver | Not sure if I have enough processing power currently though. |
| 16:01.21 | DataBeaver | I'd need distributed bitbake at least. |
| 16:01.25 | XorA | CoreDump|home: Ill bet borzoi needs same /dev/apmd hacks as other 2.4 Z models |
| 16:02.47 | prh | I'd rather use 2.6 anyway |
| 16:03.44 | CoreDump|home | XorA: I thought that nasty hack isn't needed anymore? |
| 16:03.47 | prh | hmm I wonder if I confused the installer by having a the hdimage.tgz there aswell... |
| 16:04.00 | DataBeaver | Might be |
| 16:04.37 | XorA | CoreDump|home: did someone port the collie/poodle apm fixes to borzoi/spitz kernels? |
| 16:05.22 | CoreDump|home | lol I didn't even know they are needed there. One would think that SL-C3x00 == Akita (which doesn't need any hacks) |
| 16:05.39 | CoreDump|home | ~borzoi |
| 16:05.41 | ibot | somebody said borzoi was the Sharp SL-C3100, or a dog (see http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/borzoi.htm ) |
| 16:06.22 | XorA | Im sure when 2.6 is ready everyone will forgeet 2.4 on cx00 devices ever existed |
| 16:06.27 | XorA | cxx00 |
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| 16:06.46 | XorA | I certainly have on c7x0 |
| 16:07.02 | prh | wats not ready about 2.6 |
| 16:07.11 | CoreDump|home | indeed. But only if _everything_ works w/ kernel 2.6 |
| 16:07.28 | DataBeaver | Why does coreutils depend on coreutils-locale*? |
| 16:07.33 | XorA | leave 2.4 to pdaXrom I say |
| 16:07.34 | prh | oooh flicker screen |
| 16:07.55 | DataBeaver | Or why isn't there a coreutils-locale-en package? |
| 16:10.11 | CoreDump|home | well, probably because "en" isn't a translation but "built in"? Dunno |
| 16:10.22 | prh | CoreDump|home: just installed opie - the opie Console has crap fonts. unreadable |
| 16:10.34 | DataBeaver | So why do I need to install additional languages then if I'm happy with en? |
| 16:10.39 | CoreDump|home | what font and which size please |
| 16:10.45 | CoreDump|home | fixed? |
| 16:10.51 | prh | the default - nottouched it. cant read it though |
| 16:11.08 | CoreDump|home | yeah, I wanna know what the default is heh |
| 16:11.14 | prh | ahh reloaded and it's ok |
| 16:11.15 | CoreDump|home | edit profiles, 2nd tab or so |
| 16:11.50 | prh | was DejaVu reg 10 - changed it to DefaVu_sans_mono reg 10 |
| 16:12.04 | CoreDump|home | there was a bug report regarding that IIRC |
| 16:12.12 | prh | yea without the mono it's broken |
| 16:12.17 | CoreDump|home | yep |
| 16:13.25 | prh | suspend/resume works but the button doesnt suspend - only the menu entry |
| 16:14.13 | CoreDump|home | that's a known problem,too |
| 16:14.31 | CoreDump|home | IIRC the key mappingfor the "on" key is not correct |
| 16:15.36 | DataBeaver | Is there any package that provides the glxgears binary? |
| 16:15.56 | prh | does opie have an "alt-tab" style function? |
| 16:16.10 | CoreDump|home | prh: yep, press the Home key |
| 16:16.23 | CoreDump|home | arrr |
| 16:16.34 | CoreDump|home | that switches between tabs not windows sry |
| 16:16.50 | prh | close :O) |
| 16:16.54 | CoreDump|home | =) |
| 16:17.20 | CoreDump|home | Well switching between windows would be nice w/o stylus |
| 16:18.44 | XorA | CoreDump|home: Im pretty sure it has a key for that, I havent used it so long I forgotten |
| 16:18.57 | CoreDump|home | hmm |
| 16:19.48 | CoreDump|home | I wish e-image would be maintained =\ |
| 16:23.37 | DataBeaver | Soooo... glxgears? |
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| 16:26.03 | CoreDump|home | dunno |
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| 16:37.27 | DataBeaver | Hmh. I'll probably have to compile something myself then. |
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| 16:49.49 | CoreDump|home | andrewy: I'm looking through "Copy Rootfs to SD/CF" right now. It had SD and CF auto-mounting disabled for debugging purposes. |
| 16:53.38 | DataBeaver | Hm, where does bitbake get the control files for packages? |
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| 16:54.29 | DataBeaver | I'm trying to figure out how to get rid of the unnecessary ocale dependencies... |
| 16:55.01 | DataBeaver | *locale |
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| 16:55.44 | XorA | DataBeaver: remove locale-base-* |
| 16:55.49 | simcop2387 | i've installed gcc on my zaurus but i don't seem to have any of the normal C/C++ headers am i missing a package? |
| 16:56.24 | DataBeaver | XorA: Well, coreutils depends on coreutils-locale*... |
| 16:56.48 | CoreDump|home | DataBeaver: dependencies are generated from DEPENDS in the .bb file |
| 16:57.16 | XorA | DataBeaver: you sure that ipkg didnt say fulfilling greedy dependancy blah? |
| 16:57.51 | DataBeaver | XorA: No, however I was unable to remove all of the coreutils-locale* packages |
| 16:58.11 | XorA | DataBeaver: AFAIK all locale packages are brought in by locale-base-* |
| 16:58.17 | DataBeaver | CoreDump|home: What about dependencies between packages built from the same source? |
| 16:58.52 | DataBeaver | tdb@beaver:10 18:58:32 ~/roinaa/OpenZaurus/src/build/tmp/deploy/ipk$ dpkg -I coreutils_5.3.0-r0_armv5te.ipk |
| 16:58.53 | DataBeaver | ... |
| 16:58.54 | DataBeaver | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:59.00 | DataBeaver | What about that? |
| 16:59.22 | CoreDump|home | if one .bb generates more than one package, then all packages share the sameDEPENDS. You can overide that however |
| 17:02.25 | simcop2387 | does anybody know which package will give me the files in /usr/include on my zaurus? |
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| 17:03.18 | DataBeaver | CoreDump|home: And dependencies between those packages? |
| 17:05.41 | CoreDump|home | if you wanted that you can use overides as in DEPENDS_other_package_name |
| 17:09.43 | DataBeaver | Like DEPENDS_coreutils="libgcc1 (>= 3.4.4), libc6 (>= 2.3.5+cvs20050627)" ? |
| 17:10.01 | CoreDump|home | yep |
| 17:10.13 | DataBeaver | hm. |
| 17:17.31 | raduga | hmm |
| 17:17.32 | raduga | monotone: misuse: branch org.openembedded.dev has multiple heads |
| 17:18.26 | raduga | should I use hydra.org.openembedded.dev ? |
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| 18:05.42 | luke-jr_ | shadows: ask in #oe |
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| 18:57.51 | obergix[home] | too bad latest testing images won't suspend correctly with gpe on akita whereas without problems in opie... something weird ? |
| 19:00.54 | simcop2387 | raduga: -rjan2006prebreakage seems to fix it for me |
| 19:15.13 | _guillermo | I have a dlink dcf-660w wireless cf card plugged in my akita |
| 19:15.26 | _guillermo | a get a wiki0 and a wlan0 device |
| 19:15.39 | _guillermo | but no matter what I do with iwconfig |
| 19:16.00 | _guillermo | there's no way to change the settings of this cards, and the led never blinks |
| 19:16.20 | _guillermo | I'm runing gpe with a 2.6.15 kernel |
| 19:16.35 | _guillermo | any exp with a card like that? |
| 19:20.21 | obergix[home] | _guillermo: did you modprobe orinoco_cs ? |
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| 19:27.32 | DataBeaver | _guillermo: How about ifup wlan0? |
| 19:27.54 | DataBeaver | obergix[home]: The correct driver is hostap_cs actually (at least for me) |
| 19:34.36 | obergix[home] | DataBeaver: you're right, sorry ;) |
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| 19:48.11 | B0Ti | any news when 3.5.4 will be released for c7x0? |
| 20:13.38 | _guillermo | DataBeaver: you're right, it's hostap_cs |
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| 20:29.43 | _guillermo | DataBeaver: the ifup wlan0 worked, thx a lot!!! |
| 20:31.24 | obergix[home] | http://openzaurus.org/wordpress/2006/01/09/openzaurus-354-release-plans/#comment-844 |
| 20:31.41 | obergix[home] | B0Ti: but this doesn't give an idea on the schedule |
| 20:32.52 | DataBeaver | _guillermo: You're welcome |
| 20:45.22 | andrewy | i mentioned this last night, but no one was here: when I start programs with the runcompat binary (or use makecompat on them), any where they would normally have text are blank. for example, with kismet-qt, all the drop down menus are empty, and when it displays a dialog box there is no text on the dialog box anywhere. any idea how to fix that, so that the text shows up? |
| 20:50.08 | obergix[home] | does anyone know it java+awt/swing is useable on OpenZaurus 3.5.3/4 (I know, Java's not free ;) ? |
| 20:54.35 | _guillermo | is firefox usable? |
| 20:54.53 | _guillermo | obergix[home]: I have a lot of experience with that |
| 20:55.12 | obergix[home] | _guillermo: which JVM ? |
| 20:55.13 | _guillermo | obergix[home]: java+awt is usable |
| 20:55.35 | _guillermo | kaffe, jamvm and sablevm |
| 20:55.46 | _guillermo | for all of them you need gnuclasspath |
| 20:55.58 | _guillermo | classpath 0.17 is in oe |
| 20:56.04 | obergix[home] | _guillermo: but then, swing won't work ? |
| 20:56.13 | _guillermo | but just renaming the file you can get 0.20 |
| 20:56.22 | _guillermo | swing, not, too bad |
| 20:56.38 | obergix[home] | _guillermo: yeah... any chance that blackdown is available ? |
| 20:56.44 | _guillermo | not |
| 20:56.54 | _guillermo | you could try very old packages |
| 20:57.05 | _guillermo | but jambm is really brilliant |
| 21:10.44 | obergix[home] | _guillermo: ok, thx for the info. |
| 21:11.58 | _guillermo | obergix[home]: any question just ask me |
| 21:12.03 | obergix[home] | I've just added my proposals about the release notes in the wiki... feel free to slap me if I'm messing with other's business... http://oe.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/OpenZaurusReleaseNotes354 etc. |
| 21:12.49 | obergix[home] | _guillermo: thx... actually just wondering, cause collegues of mine have many problems with runing a Java application demo on familiar... the situation being mostly the same for OZ |
| 21:14.11 | _guillermo | I'm working on it everyday |
| 21:14.35 | _guillermo | obergix[home]: I did rmi stuff and things with mysql and everything worked |
| 21:14.51 | _guillermo | the only limitation I found so far was swing |
| 21:15.47 | obergix[home] | _guillermo: the're using swing I thing... and stuff like corba... hmmm... too many difficulties for people who think that Java runtime is magically available at hand ;) |
| 21:17.03 | _guillermo | yeah maybe |
| 21:19.21 | obergix[home] | hmmm ... trying to build in .dev... which fails... and suggests defining PREFERRED_PROVIDER_virtual/arm-linux-libc-for-gcc |
| 21:19.29 | obergix[home] | should I do that ? |
| 21:24.13 | obergix[home] | hmmm... anyone ? |
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| 22:05.19 | simcop2387 | well i found out how i should be able to get my zaurus to do the alarm sounds in gpe, its an ioctl on /dev/sharp_buzzer, i'm writing a quick C demo to do it now, but having trouble compiling it |
| 22:08.10 | simcop2387 | aha! |
| 22:08.17 | simcop2387 | i have to compile it statically (that sucks) |
| 22:08.22 | simcop2387 | i think it does anyway |
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| 23:55.26 | DataBeaver | Nice... I did ipkg upgrade on my Zaurus and it somehow managed to delete some important commands, like sh and mount |
| 23:56.14 | andrewy | those are symlinked to busybox |
| 23:56.29 | DataBeaver | Well it deleted busybox too :P |
| 23:56.39 | andrewy | heh |
| 23:56.55 | DataBeaver | Fortunately, I still had a couple instances of it running, so I managed to restore it |
| 23:57.24 | DataBeaver | Rebooting right now could still prove pretty fatal... |
| 23:57.31 | DataBeaver | Or even logging out |
| 23:59.30 | DataBeaver | I know some people who would have done a reinstall due to much smaller problems... But I'll try until I deem the system to be totally unusable. |