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| 00:00.14 | Hhhhh | hello |
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| 00:00.54 | Hhhhh | question: I have not installed OpenZaurus in my SL-5500 yet (I just got it, I'm still using Sharp 3.10 ROM), but I wanted to know how the packaging system works with OZ |
| 00:01.13 | Hhhhh | I understand that I can't just use packages from the Zaurus Software Index at killerbiz.de? |
| 00:01.34 | Hhhhh | what is this concept of "feeds"? |
| 00:02.43 | JustinP | OZ uses a different float library to speed things up that is incompatible for the most part with the Sharp ROM, although there are compat packages which make some of it work |
| 00:03.07 | JustinP | a feed is just a list of packages up on a site with some special files to let the installer know what they are |
| 00:03.23 | JustinP | it's a simple distribution method for a distro |
| 00:03.24 | Hhhhh | like yast in SUSE and yum in Fedora? |
| 00:03.29 | Hhhhh | or apt-get? |
| 00:03.31 | JustinP | sure, but much simpler |
| 00:03.33 | Hhhhh | k |
| 00:03.46 | Hhhhh | are the feeds up now? I heard something about them being down |
| 00:03.50 | JustinP | ipkg is itsy package |
| 00:03.51 | Hhhhh | I wanna see what's available |
| 00:03.57 | JustinP | I don't know |
| 00:03.58 | JustinP | ;-) |
| 00:04.04 | JustinP | go look at the website |
| 00:04.06 | fosco | I just installed orpheus |
| 00:04.14 | fosco | so I think yes :) |
| 00:04.55 | Hhhhh | fosco, what is the URL? |
| 00:05.05 | Hhhhh | I've seen several sites but I wanna look at official |
| 00:05.48 | fosco | http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/mirror/www.openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.3/feed/base/ |
| 00:05.51 | fosco | for example |
| 00:06.37 | JustinP | it's all listed on the OZ website |
| 00:06.56 | Hhhhh | JustinP, sorry, I looked around and couldn't find it |
| 00:07.01 | Hhhhh | can you point me to it? |
| 00:07.27 | Hhhhh | i'm looking at OZ homepage and can't see any feed links |
| 00:08.35 | JustinP | try "Downloads" on the left |
| 00:08.58 | Hhhhh | oh, ok |
| 00:09.07 | Hhhhh | I see 3 mirrors, do they have the same stuff? |
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| 00:20.56 | JustinP | that's kind of the point of a mirror.... |
| 00:21.00 | JustinP | but I really don't know |
| 00:21.05 | JustinP | I haven't used a release in a long time |
| 00:21.10 | JustinP | I'm a developer |
| 00:34.57 | jebba | hey JustinP since you're a developer... I just got my borzoi and am setting up a devel environment based on org.openembedded.oz354fam083. I was doing the simple `bitbake nano`, but libtool is barfing (with `bitbake libtool` too): |
| 00:35.15 | jebba | configure: error: source directory already configured; run "make distclean" there first <--- the error |
| 00:36.20 | jebba | But there's no `make distclean` target in tmp/work/libtool-native-1.5.10-r3/libtool-1.5.10 and plain ol' `make clean` doesn't fix it. Can you cluestick me? :) |
| 00:39.04 | JustinP | eek |
| 00:39.05 | JustinP | well... |
| 00:39.12 | JustinP | did you set up your paths and all right? |
| 00:39.26 | JustinP | your environment |
| 00:39.51 | JustinP | I use this shell script: |
| 00:39.52 | jebba | yes, that part appears to be fine. |
| 00:40.16 | JustinP | http://pastebin.com/515471 |
| 00:43.49 | JustinP | so, is all that right? |
| 00:44.27 | jebba | http://pastebin.com/515477 |
| 00:45.19 | Hhhhh | where can I see a list of the default software that comes in Opie and GPE images for OZ? |
| 00:45.41 | JustinP | jebba: do you have all the right versions of the requirements installed? |
| 00:46.17 | JustinP | Hhhhh: I'm not sure where it's easily findable...but they come with good stuff. And you can always install more from the feeds. |
| 00:46.18 | jebba | JustinP, yes, i believe so. It's FC3+errata, latest bitbake from svn. |
| 00:46.34 | JustinP | jebba: did you make sure? |
| 00:46.48 | jebba | yes, i did go through the list when i set up. |
| 00:47.12 | jebba | and i followed the (odd) /stuff/ PATHs.... |
| 00:49.46 | jebba | are you building with org.openembedded.oz354fam083 ? |
| 00:52.14 | shadows | JustinP: hey man, how goes it? |
| 00:58.08 | shadows | jebba: "latest" is not a version |
| 00:58.09 | shadows | try again |
| 01:01.07 | JustinP | jebba: I built yesterday with that branch |
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| 01:01.42 | JustinP | jebba: I suggest you look closer at the versions you have installed, sounds like something's not right. I don't use /stuff, it's just an example. |
| 01:01.44 | jebba | shadows, BitBake Build Tool Core version 1.3.2.1, bitbake version 1.3.2 (in other words the svn from 30 minutes ago) |
| 01:01.47 | JustinP | shadows: very busy |
| 01:03.27 | Hhhhh | hmm, is choosing the 40-24 kernel image conservative enough? I want to have enough software to do ftp, irc, MSN messaging, Office stuff, and a few games |
| 01:04.41 | JustinP | Hhhhh: use 64-0, the RAM drive isn't useful |
| 01:05.02 | JustinP | Hhhhh: and I suggest running off of an SD card |
| 01:05.10 | Hhhhh | JustinP, I have a 128MB SD card, but I wanna fill it up with files |
| 01:06.07 | Hhhhh | I wanted to keep apps in internal storage if possible |
| 01:06.16 | Hhhhh | and I use CF for wifi |
| 01:06.49 | Hhhhh | JustinP, why do you say ram drive is not useful? |
| 01:08.54 | JustinP | Hhhhh: the 5500 has very litle internal storage |
| 01:11.03 | JustinP | Hhhhh: ram drive will empty if you have to reboot, better to use a bigger SD card |
| 01:11.21 | JustinP | Hhhhh: and it's far easier to run all of root off of the SD card than have part internal, part external |
| 01:11.54 | JustinP | Hhhhh: but if you're not installing much internal *may* be ok, but I ran out of room on mine real quick |
| 01:11.59 | johnX | JustinP: IIRC, the ram drive is preserved between reboot... |
| 01:12.39 | Hhhhh | johnX, even full reset? |
| 01:12.56 | johnX | Hhhhh: I think it won't in that case... |
| 01:13.00 | johnX | I don't properly remember |
| 01:13.16 | johnX | I've used a 64-0 image on my 5500 most of the time |
| 01:13.57 | Hhhhh | well, right now in my Z I have sharp 3.10, I'm only using like 21Mb with a lot of crap installed |
| 01:14.00 | johnX | also, if you really need to store a small amount of stuff temporarily in "fast" storage space, /tmp is mounted on a resizable "tmpfs" ram drive even in the 64-0 image |
| 01:14.46 | Hhhhh | johnX, which image kernel would you recommend? |
| 01:15.06 | johnX | use *at least* the 48-16 image |
| 01:15.27 | johnX | I would say use 64-0, run some stuff internal, and install anything "extra" onto the SD card |
| 01:15.38 | johnX | it's not that hard to keep track of where stuff is... |
| 01:15.52 | JustinP | a caveat, though, to install to SD card it has to be ext2 formatted |
| 01:15.56 | johnX | yeah |
| 01:16.13 | JustinP | if you really want to you may be able to run all from internal |
| 01:16.14 | johnX | that can be an issue if you want to use the card on a windows machine through a card reader |
| 01:16.19 | JustinP | but it's going to be a juggling act |
| 01:16.20 | Hhhhh | johnX, what do you mean at least? 48-16? |
| 01:16.39 | johnX | make sure that you have at least 48MB of RAM free to run applications |
| 01:16.40 | Hhhhh | johnX, 48 for system memory is too little? |
| 01:17.01 | johnX | once you start getting into multi tasking RAM runs out real quick |
| 01:17.26 | Hhhhh | johnx, do you know if Sharp 3.10 ROM uses a 32-32 approach? |
| 01:17.36 | johnX | yes, it does |
| 01:17.46 | Hhhhh | that has done it for me so far |
| 01:17.53 | Hhhhh | is OZ more RAM intensive? |
| 01:18.07 | johnX | I don't rightly know... |
| 01:18.25 | johnX | maybe it's just that OZ users are more likely to run a whole bunch of stuff at once :) |
| 01:20.57 | johnX | anyways, there's no harm in trying a couple images before you settle on one |
| 01:21.07 | Hhhhh | all right |
| 01:21.23 | johnX | if you never had "low memory" warnings on Sharp ROM and you only used 21MB of space the 48-16 image sounds like a good bet |
| 01:21.35 | Hhhhh | I think I'll try 40-24, if I notice I wanna install a lot more stuff or it is a little sluggish, I might do 64-0 and use SD as drive |
| 01:21.59 | Hhhhh | question, johnX |
| 01:22.08 | Hhhhh | what main apps come in OZ 3.5.3? |
| 01:22.16 | Hhhhh | is Gaim in it by default? |
| 01:22.35 | Hhhhh | Hancom Office (or something like that)? |
| 01:22.45 | Hhhhh | some FTP client? |
| 01:24.07 | johnX | I'll check...it's different between the OZ for the C1000 and the 5500 and I only have a c1000 in front of me right now |
| 01:26.59 | fosco | anoyone managed to compile anything with the gcc packages? :\ |
| 01:45.24 | shadows | who needs to upgrade the flash on their DCF-660W wifi? |
| 01:45.59 | NAbyss | shadows: I do.. once I get a stable pull from .dev |
| 01:46.11 | shadows | oh |
| 01:46.17 | shadows | use the setup i have |
| 01:46.19 | shadows | it's fine |
| 01:46.22 | shadows | i flashed it no problem |
| 01:46.43 | NAbyss | oz354? |
| 01:47.08 | shadows | yep |
| 01:47.20 | shadows | oz354fam03 as i nickname it |
| 01:47.24 | NAbyss | Hm, might do that tonight.. heading down to the shops shortly |
| 01:48.56 | shadows | who the hell uses the output of whoami and compares it to root.... |
| 01:49.11 | shadows | http://pastebin.com/515471 |
| 01:49.16 | shadows | i would have compared uid to 0 |
| 01:49.48 | NAbyss | hehe |
| 02:24.21 | JustinP | shadows: that's me. It was just a quick check to make sure I'm not root |
| 02:24.35 | shadows | the username needn't be root |
| 02:24.38 | shadows | AFAIK |
| 02:24.50 | JustinP | shadows: I never run it as root any more, of course, I just had it there as a check |
| 02:25.00 | JustinP | ::shrug:: it's not of any concern any more |
| 02:25.01 | shadows | i'm kind of picky though so nevermind me |
| 02:25.32 | johnX | heh...my script to setup the env involves two lines and no tests :P |
| 02:30.07 | jebba | shadows, JustinP I got it going fwiw. (I'm at: "package gcc-cross-3.4.4-r3: task do_compile: started" probably be there for awhile...) Thanks for you help. |
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| 03:38.50 | Hhhhh | hmm, any comparison between Opie and GPE system image files for OZ 3.5.3? |
| 03:39.05 | Hhhhh | what apps are kindof important in each? |
| 03:39.34 | Hhhhh | I'm installing 40-24 kernel image with one of them |
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| 04:24.51 | JustinP | Hhhhh: just try them and see |
| 04:44.52 | shadows | jebba: sounds good |
| 04:51.29 | jebba | shadows, yep. Got lots of .ipk's built. I forgot how long it took to build qt. ;) |
| 04:51.41 | jebba | thank god for ccache... |
| 04:52.05 | shadows | thank ccache for god |
| 04:52.12 | shadows | make sure you get it right, jebba |
| 04:52.19 | shadows | ccache is the divine creator |
| 04:52.35 | shadows | god was just a benevelent side effect |
| 04:54.00 | jebba | heh. Well, I'm building opie-image unmodified just to make sure I got everything in order. Then I'll start mucking with it. :) |
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| 05:35.23 | Zarel | Okay, so, I have an SL-5500 running Opie on OpenZaurus. |
| 05:37.09 | Zarel | Unfortunately, right now, it is acting very strange. |
| 05:37.10 | Zarel | When I change settings, nothing happens. |
| 05:37.10 | jebba | got space left on the drive? |
| 05:37.10 | Zarel | Built-in? Probably not. |
| 05:37.15 | Zarel | I have a nearly-empty 512 MB SD card, though. |
| 05:38.13 | shadows | or maybe it's nearly-full |
| 05:38.29 | Zarel | Nope, pretty sure it's nearly-empty. |
| 05:38.46 | shadows | turn it upside down |
| 05:38.51 | shadows | now is it nearly full? |
| 05:39.28 | Zarel | ... |
| 05:39.48 | Zarel | Nope. Now it's ytpme ylraen |
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| 06:42.58 | Hhhhh | hello, I just installed OZ 3.5.3 in my Z SL-5500 |
| 06:43.17 | Hhhhh | for some reason now I can't sync or transfer files with my desktop PC |
| 06:43.35 | Hhhhh | I have wireless enabled |
| 06:44.03 | Hhhhh | how do I go about transfering files between PC and Z now? |
| 06:45.13 | pgas | set a password and use ssh scp? |
| 06:45.52 | Hhhhh | ssh from Z to PC, or viceversa? |
| 06:45.56 | Hhhhh | I'm running WinXP |
| 06:46.08 | pgas | from the pc to the Z |
| 06:46.24 | Hhhhh | so, I need to set password in Z? |
| 06:46.27 | pgas | http://winscp.net/eng/index.php |
| 06:46.31 | Hhhhh | how do I do that in OZ/Opie? |
| 06:46.36 | pgas | for ssh yes |
| 06:46.39 | Hhhhh | yea, I got winscp |
| 06:46.45 | pgas | in a terminal passwd ? |
| 06:46.49 | Hhhhh | heh |
| 06:48.21 | Hhhhh | hmm, what is IP address of Z? |
| 06:49.06 | pgas | hmm over wifi? it depends |
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| 06:49.42 | pgas | ifconfig? |
| 06:50.04 | Hhhhh | hah! got it |
| 06:50.09 | Hhhhh | thx a lot! |
| 06:50.21 | Hhhhh | so, in OZ you don't use the cradle? |
| 06:50.45 | Hhhhh | oh |
| 06:50.48 | Hhhhh | what do you use? |
| 06:50.54 | pgas | but I guess you can do IP over usb |
| 06:51.04 | pgas | pdaxrom |
| 06:51.10 | Hhhhh | how is it? |
| 06:51.19 | pgas | on 5500 I don't know |
| 06:51.29 | Hhhhh | what do you have? |
| 06:51.32 | pgas | pretty barebone |
| 06:51.35 | pgas | 860 |
| 06:51.39 | Hhhhh | gotcha |
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| 10:23.29 | Y0shiZ | good morning |
| 10:30.48 | Y0shiZ | Has anyone here got the USB Port of the Borzoi (SLC-3100) running in host-mode? i.e. using a bluetooth-usb dongle in it |
| 10:31.08 | CoreDump|home | which kernel? |
| 10:31.12 | Y0shiZ | I've had no luck trying to do that with the 2.4 Kernel Versions, |
| 10:31.17 | CoreDump|home | heh |
| 10:31.30 | Y0shiZ | too bad that i've seem to be unable to get the 2.6er running |
| 10:31.39 | CoreDump|home | works on Akita so it should work on Borzoi |
| 10:32.16 | Y0shiZ | I think its very likely that I'm messing something up in the build process.. |
| 10:32.37 | Y0shiZ | the bitbake target virtual/kernel builds fine, |
| 10:32.39 | CoreDump|home | well, you gotta play with the modules to make that work IIRC |
| 10:33.04 | Y0shiZ | the target opie-image too (although gpe-image didn't) |
| 10:33.34 | CoreDump|home | might want to update your meta-data, I've just completet a GPE image |
| 10:33.44 | CoreDump|home | completed even |
| 10:34.03 | Y0shiZ | it's updating right this minute |
| 10:35.24 | Y0shiZ | I've learned from the documentation on openzaurus.org that I need to build a target "pivotboot-image" in order to get a 2.6 kernel running - can anyone go into detail about that topic? |
| 10:51.14 | hrw | morning |
| 10:51.34 | hrw | for 2.6 you dont need pivotroot as it will boot from uDrive |
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| 10:51.53 | hrw | pivotroot is needed for spitz only under 2.4 |
| 10:55.27 | Y0shiZ | assuming you meant me, i'm building a fresh kernel out of the db at the moment, will report soon about my progress.. |
| 11:18.28 | Y0shiZ | indeed, no fiddling with pivotboot anymore. |
| 11:18.57 | Y0shiZ | just got opie running using a 2.6.15 kernel on the borzoi. |
| 11:20.43 | Y0shiZ | the problem is - usb is not working - it doesn't show up in the system info app, syslog shows that module pxa27x-ohci has been loaded / registered |
| 11:21.05 | johnX | you might need to manually load the module... |
| 11:21.13 | hrw | mounted usbfs? |
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| 11:22.35 | Y0shiZ | I'm trying to get an usb-bluetooth-dongle working.. |
| 11:23.10 | johnX | what happens if you try to manually load the module that supports it? |
| 11:23.24 | Y0shiZ | let's see.. |
| 11:25.24 | Y0shiZ | wheeeeooooowww its blinking! never felt so happy about a blinking diode |
| 11:26.10 | johnX | and I thought everyone loved blinking LEDs... |
| 11:26.31 | Y0shiZ | It's working, now just get that java vm running an I'm almost finished... |
| 11:28.04 | johnX | what are you trying to run that needs java? |
| 11:28.11 | johnX | just curious... |
| 11:31.14 | Y0shiZ | I'm working at dortmund university, |
| 11:31.52 | Y0shiZ | we've developed transponder technology similar to rfid transponders, the difference is that ours use bluetooth as communication layer |
| 11:32.08 | johnX | neat |
| 11:32.33 | Y0shiZ | my job was to show it works a) using java and b) on mobile devices |
| 11:32.54 | johnX | ah |
| 11:33.20 | Y0shiZ | so my chef thought it would be a great idea to just by a borzoi.. no matter that it isn't supported here in germany, the documentation is in japanese... |
| 11:33.32 | CoreDump|home | lol |
| 11:33.57 | Y0shiZ | "and by the way, get it finished until the end of january pal...." |
| 11:34.04 | johnX | eek |
| 11:34.24 | johnX | I could see why you might be rather thrilled to have that usb bluetooth adapter working |
| 11:35.26 | Y0shiZ | yes I am.. i don't know how many hours of work i spent on just trying to compile a bluez-native interface for java that works on sharps / lineos linux distribution |
| 11:35.47 | hrw|gone | cu |
| 11:35.52 | CoreDump|home | cya hrw|gone |
| 11:35.58 | Y0shiZ | cu hrw |
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| 11:46.12 | Y0shiZ | hmm, how do I come back to opie when stuck at console 0? |
| 11:46.29 | CoreDump|home | chvt 2 |
| 11:47.43 | Y0shiZ | Don't ask how, but i managed to turn on capslock.. |
| 11:48.57 | CoreDump|home | Fn-Tab |
| 11:49.31 | Y0shiZ | thank you |
| 11:49.36 | CoreDump|home | np =) |
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| 12:14.14 | alan|home | hey all |
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| 12:55.37 | ryoohki | where is firefox for oz? |
| 12:56.44 | johnX | I think I saw an old version in a feed somewhere...but you can build it yourself from OE |
| 13:12.19 | alan|home | johnX: do you think it is a good idea to explain everyone how to build a prog from OE ? |
| 13:12.30 | alan|home | it's a real question, huh. |
| 13:13.31 | alan|home | i really wonder if it would help devs because the more user there is, the more tester, or if it would slow them down, because the more newbie, the more silly questions... |
| 13:13.42 | johnX | I really don't know |
| 13:14.03 | johnX | but I also don't know if firefox will ever be in a default feed... |
| 13:14.19 | johnX | building it might be the only way to get even a semi-recent version |
| 13:14.41 | alan|home | anyway, firefox is not a good browser for zauruses... |
| 13:14.46 | johnX | I agree |
| 13:14.49 | alan|home | viva gpe-browser |
| 13:15.20 | johnX | it really has made great strides, but it still lacks some things that firefox has |
| 13:15.39 | alan|home | it's a matter of time, i would say |
| 13:16.15 | alan|home | i whish i knew how to code... |
| 13:16.34 | johnX | also, I haven't succeeded in building firefox out of OE recently anyways (just tried again after I suggested the idea to ryoohki) |
| 13:16.56 | alan|home | inever tried... |
| 13:18.00 | johnX | it fails on orbit2-native right now, something to do with pkg-config |
| 13:18.18 | alan|home | rhaaa... that is right, i messed up my OE installation... i should rebuild everything...gosh ! |
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| 13:20.02 | hydrogen_fuel | hi |
| 13:20.42 | johnX | hello |
| 13:20.57 | alan|home | hi hydrogen_fuel |
| 13:21.05 | hydrogen_fuel | does openzaurus supports any wifi card? |
| 13:21.26 | alan|home | hydrogen_fuel: sure |
| 13:21.33 | johnX | it supports many wifi cards |
| 13:23.24 | hydrogen_fuel | I really like to read RSS feeds on my zaurus:) |
| 13:23.55 | hydrogen_fuel | and read some interesting ebooks I converted. |
| 13:24.12 | alan|home | hydrogen_fuel: there is a list of supported wifi device on your zaurus... |
| 13:24.25 | alan|home | let me look for it, i can't remember where it is... |
| 13:24.41 | hydrogen_fuel | I use sunrise to convert RSS to plucker files... |
| 13:27.02 | hydrogen_fuel | http://sourceforge.net/projects/sunrisexp |
| 13:27.42 | hydrogen_fuel | this is a must: http://only.mawhrin.net/fbreader/ |
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| 13:28.31 | alan|home | i'm sorry hydrogen_fuel but i can't find the supported wifi cards list... |
| 13:29.23 | hydrogen_fuel | thanks... anyway but I guess any wifi card could work with zauri... |
| 13:29.44 | alan|home | not any, in fact. |
| 13:29.54 | hydrogen_fuel | the objective could be read RSS directly from zaurus |
| 13:30.31 | hydrogen_fuel | using wifi to get that RSS |
| 13:30.58 | alan|home | don't know if it is of any interest, but i use a ASUS SpaceLink WL-110 card. |
| 13:31.22 | hydrogen_fuel | almost any website now supports RSS:) and have usefull and updated information on them... |
| 13:31.46 | alan|home | indeed. |
| 13:32.59 | alan|home | habing to convert them all may become painfull |
| 13:32.59 | alan|home | s/habing/having |
| 13:33.00 | hydrogen_fuel | no... with sunrise you add your RSS, and put that plucker will be stored in flash card |
| 13:33.39 | alan|home | still, not as easy as retrieving RSS directly on your Z... |
| 13:33.43 | hydrogen_fuel | then, when you synchronize all RSS (update) you added to the sunrise, they will be available in flash card in plucker format, ready to be read by fbreader for zaurus. |
| 13:34.29 | hydrogen_fuel | well, I saw the other day a RSS reader for zaurus... |
| 13:34.31 | alan|home | mmm... this sunrise software seems to be a good piece of work :) |
| 13:34.54 | hydrogen_fuel | with it you only add your RSS links and synchronize:) |
| 13:35.05 | hydrogen_fuel | YES IT IS:) |
| 13:35.21 | alan|home | ^^ |
| 13:35.36 | hydrogen_fuel | you can get even WWW pages to read on zaurus in plucker format. |
| 13:35.56 | alan|home | hoooo... that is becoming interesting... |
| 13:36.31 | alan|home | i'll have a look at it, after all... i don't really mind RSS feeds, but ofline pages may be usefull... |
| 13:36.47 | hydrogen_fuel | and you can define the level entry to get from a website... I mean, you can get an entire website to plucker format:P |
| 13:36.55 | hydrogen_fuel | but could takes ages.) |
| 13:37.22 | alan|home | yeah... that is the problem with htttrack |
| 13:37.29 | hydrogen_fuel | with RSS in the morning I have fresh news to put on my ZAURUS:) |
| 13:40.25 | hydrogen_fuel | zauRSS: http://www.elsix.org/index.php?w=project&p=1072 |
| 13:40.44 | hydrogen_fuel | hehe |
| 13:41.33 | hydrogen_fuel | alan, what is your zaurus model? |
| 13:41.41 | hydrogen_fuel | mine is a SL-5500 |
| 13:41.53 | hydrogen_fuel | next will be SL-6000 or SL-C3000 |
| 13:42.03 | hydrogen_fuel | ;) |
| 13:42.10 | hydrogen_fuel | or a pocket PC:=) |
| 13:42.49 | hydrogen_fuel | if you were to buy a pocket PC what would be? |
| 13:43.05 | hydrogen_fuel | I was thinking of a DELL AXIM |
| 13:43.25 | hydrogen_fuel | or ... FUJITSU |
| 13:43.58 | alan|home | i have a c750 |
| 13:44.09 | hydrogen_fuel | are you playing with the zauRSS? :=) |
| 13:44.20 | alan|home | nope, never |
| 13:44.33 | hydrogen_fuel | why not? is slow in wifi? |
| 13:44.53 | alan|home | don't know... i never use RSS feeds, in fact... |
| 13:45.04 | alan|home | CoreDump|home: hehe |
| 13:45.06 | hydrogen_fuel | coredump: hehe, doom is cool on Z:) |
| 13:45.26 | hydrogen_fuel | coredump: and quake? |
| 13:45.27 | alan|home | CoreDump|home: do you know where the list of working wifi cards is ? |
| 13:45.56 | CoreDump|home | alan|home: well, every hostap card woks for starters |
| 13:45.58 | hydrogen_fuel | coredump: a little slow isn't it? |
| 13:46.07 | CoreDump|home | a bit, yeah |
| 13:46.29 | alan|home | hydrogen_fuel: if i were you, i would buy either a zaurus or a pda that can rum familliar |
| 13:47.01 | hydrogen_fuel | anyone porting mysql latest version to zaurus? the one that I have is a old one... |
| 13:47.19 | hydrogen_fuel | and doesn't support very well the new phpmyadmin version. |
| 13:48.02 | alan|home | hydrogen_fuel: a new OZ version is "coming soon"(tm) and i guess a new mysql will be availiable. |
| 13:48.21 | hydrogen_fuel | I would like to have firebird database on Z:) or postgresql. |
| 13:48.35 | hydrogen_fuel | I found postgresql, but I had problems installing it on Z |
| 13:48.51 | hydrogen_fuel | alan: you're kidding, really? |
| 13:48.52 | hydrogen_fuel | :) |
| 13:48.54 | alan|home | if you feel brave enough, you can set up an OE build system on your desktop and build/test/correct lattest progs. |
| 13:49.12 | Y0shiZ | has anyone here successfully installed java's personale profile virtual machine on openzaurus so far? I'm using opie / Kernel 2.6. The package manager throws an error (return value -1 ?!) whenever I try to install the package. |
| 13:49.27 | Y0shiZ | and by java's if mean sun of course.. |
| 13:49.55 | hydrogen_fuel | zaurus is starting to have again more fans:) |
| 13:50.10 | alan|home | hydrogen_fuel: open zaurus 3.5.4 is under high developpement. I guess it will be realeased in the next two monthes, but it depends on many things... |
| 13:50.49 | alan|home | Y0shiZ: where did you get the ipk from ? |
| 13:50.54 | hydrogen_fuel | I would liked to have openzaurus on my mobile phone;) |
| 13:51.18 | alan|home | hydrogen_fuel: maybe in some distant future, who knows... |
| 13:51.20 | Y0shiZ | alan: from java.sun.com.. |
| 13:51.24 | hydrogen_fuel | Y0shiZ: aren't you installing jeode' |
| 13:51.33 | CoreDump|home | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.17819.png |
| 13:52.12 | hydrogen_fuel | coredump: :) |
| 13:52.54 | alan|home | Y0shiZ: i guess it is not an openzaurus targetted ipk. I was probably made for sharp systems |
| 13:53.01 | hydrogen_fuel | there is a IPK of java sdk for Z? |
| 13:53.18 | alan|home | i don't think so... |
| 13:53.38 | hydrogen_fuel | a question: |
| 13:53.46 | Y0shiZ | too bad that the target kaffe seems to be broken at the moment |
| 13:53.51 | hydrogen_fuel | can I run mobile java software, games in Z? |
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| 13:54.06 | hydrogen_fuel | I found lots of them in internet! |
| 13:54.15 | hydrogen_fuel | and free. |
| 13:54.16 | alan|home | Y0shiZ: maybe with the sharp compat libs, but i don't really know how it works... |
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| 13:54.57 | hydrogen_fuel | I try to run some of them on Z using EVM but it tell me to define the main class |
| 13:55.11 | alan|home | hydrogen_fuel: that is a good question. I don't thik you can, but if i'm wrong, i would like to be wrong... |
| 13:55.46 | hydrogen_fuel | maybe we can, but we have to know what is the main class |
| 13:55.54 | hydrogen_fuel | it's java... |
| 13:55.56 | alan|home | i don't know... |
| 13:55.58 | hydrogen_fuel | multi plataform... |
| 13:56.11 | hydrogen_fuel | ok |
| 13:56.49 | Y0shiZ | hydrogen, alan. I'm into the whole java thing, if you would supply an example.. i could dig the classes out. |
| 14:00.08 | alan|home | Y0shiZ: i never tried java on my zaurus, so i may not be able to help. But if you and hydrogen_fuel can have some mobile phone java games working, then : ho my god ! |
| 14:00.29 | hydrogen_fuel | here a website: http://www.getjar.com/software/Sony-Ericsson/K700 |
| 14:00.38 | hydrogen_fuel | these are for K700 |
| 14:00.52 | hydrogen_fuel | but you can find for more mobile phone models... |
| 14:01.19 | alan|home | if you ever succeed, feel free to post infos on oesf.org forums !! that would be sooooo cool ! |
| 14:01.59 | hydrogen_fuel | hehe:) |
| 14:02.00 | Y0shiZ | i would like to |
| 14:02.08 | hydrogen_fuel | yes it would be... |
| 14:02.27 | hydrogen_fuel | well, normally we can run any java in zaurus... am I wrong? |
| 14:02.41 | hydrogen_fuel | it's documented java is multiplataform. |
| 14:03.35 | hydrogen_fuel | these is only one of the websites with software and games... there are much much more on the web.... |
| 14:04.01 | hydrogen_fuel | that need to be packed as IPK to install on Z:) |
| 14:06.29 | hydrogen_fuel | another important thing is that freepascal is available to zaurus! so we can convert/develop to Z |
| 14:06.41 | hydrogen_fuel | and for geek ones in Z itself. |
| 14:08.25 | hydrogen_fuel | time to go... let people know if it's possible to run java mobile in Z in forums. |
| 14:08.27 | hydrogen_fuel | :) |
| 14:08.28 | hydrogen_fuel | see ya |
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| 14:17.25 | alan|home | Y0shiZ: so, what do you think, dear java expert ? is it possible, or are the mobile phone games dependent on the phone type ? |
| 14:22.38 | Y0shiZ | no, they aren't |
| 14:23.18 | Y0shiZ | in order to run such apps on the zaurus one would need a correct implementation of a virtual machine. |
| 14:23.53 | Y0shiZ | the different types of virtual machines (i.e. what "functions" they expose to the java classes) are called "profiles" |
| 14:24.52 | Y0shiZ | one would need a vm that exports the so called "connected limited device configuration" profile, or short CLDC profile |
| 14:25.43 | Y0shiZ | but i don't know if there are any vm's out there for the openzaurus platform that fullfill this requirement. |
| 14:26.45 | Y0shiZ | maybe kaffe will one day be able to be built as a cldc vm |
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| 14:38.41 | alan|home | Y0shiZ: you should ask this on #oe |
| 14:38.54 | Mardy | hi |
| 14:39.00 | Y0shiZ | will do alan |
| 14:39.03 | alan|home | hi Mardy |
| 14:39.24 | alan|home | Y0shiZ: lat me know, huh ? |
| 14:40.09 | alan|home | s/lat/let |
| 14:40.14 | alan|home | rhaaaa... |
| 14:40.28 | alan|home | ~lart alan|home for not typing good today |
| 14:41.33 | Y0shiZ | of course i will |
| 14:41.38 | alan|home | ^^ |
| 14:43.52 | alan|home | Y0shiZ: by the way, much less devs are on #oe during the weekend... :/ |
| 14:45.20 | Y0shiZ | as soon as i get it running i will post the whole story in the oe forums |
| 14:45.32 | Y0shiZ | i doubt that'll be today.. |
| 14:48.20 | alan|home | ^^ |
| 14:48.43 | alan|home | iv' been waiting for this for so long that i can wait for one more month |
| 14:48.46 | alan|home | ^^ |
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| 16:03.04 | DataBeaver | Any way to get the contrast down a bit on a Zaurus? |
| 16:03.45 | DataBeaver | Anything from 75% up looks white |
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| 17:51.50 | fosco | hi |
| 17:53.38 | hrw | fosco: hi |
| 17:53.49 | hrw | fosco: how is testing goes? |
| 17:54.05 | fosco | working :) |
| 17:54.28 | fosco | I had some problems with the provided kernel (no restore after suspend) |
| 17:56.31 | fosco | if I want to compile my own kernel, is there any information on getting a working cross compiling environment up? |
| 17:56.34 | hrw | you have spitz? |
| 17:56.36 | fosco | yes |
| 17:56.52 | hrw | I can provide kernel for testing |
| 17:57.01 | fosco | why not testing :) |
| 17:57.25 | fosco | I installed the 2.6.14 provided for 3.5.4-RC and it works |
| 17:57.49 | fosco | but because it is a modular kernel, I only have limited hardware support |
| 17:58.17 | hrw | we want to release 3.5.4 with 2.4.20 kernel |
| 17:58.30 | fosco | (hence the cross compilation, I would like to compile a monolitihc kernel like all my others machines) |
| 17:58.51 | hrw | monotlit kernel is too big |
| 17:59.07 | hrw | Zaurus machines has limited space for kernel |
| 17:59.07 | fosco | even with -Os and without debugging symbols? |
| 17:59.12 | hrw | yep |
| 17:59.18 | fosco | how much space? |
| 17:59.22 | hrw | 1.2M iirc |
| 17:59.40 | fosco | will work for me, but yes, for generic kernels it is unsuitable |
| 18:00.15 | fosco | 1.2MB compressed or uncompressed (like the 4MB limit on old sparc) ? |
| 18:00.26 | hrw | 1.2M bzImage |
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| 18:01.06 | javra | hi |
| 18:01.10 | hrw | hi javra |
| 18:01.41 | fosco | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:01.46 | fosco | ok |
| 18:02.06 | javra | how do u format ideoklips for the zaurus? |
| 18:02.29 | fosco | I got a toolchain but does not work for cmpiling kernels :\ |
| 18:02.54 | hrw | javra: there is a howto on openzaurs.org for it |
| 18:03.15 | javra | oh thanks |
| 18:04.05 | fosco | (btw I can test your images) |
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| 18:13.50 | hrw | fosco: zImage.bin-test in spitz directory - flash it and test |
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| 18:21.33 | fosco | it boots |
| 18:21.39 | fosco | but no touchscreen |
| 18:22.39 | hrw | hmm. strange |
| 18:23.22 | hrw | keyboard works? maybe boot to plain console and then try to suspend/resume |
| 18:23.53 | fosco | keyboard works yes, how do I boot to console? |
| 18:25.03 | hrw | you have gpe or opie? |
| 18:25.07 | fosco | gpe |
| 18:25.36 | hrw | so you should be able to login with just keyboard and then suspend/resume |
| 18:25.59 | fosco | I'm in console (killed gpe-dm) |
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| 18:26.23 | fosco | suspend.sh worked and restore too |
| 18:27.25 | fosco | good news ;) |
| 18:27.30 | hrw | and it was not working before? |
| 18:27.38 | fosco | suspend was working |
| 18:27.42 | fosco | bot not restore |
| 18:27.43 | hrw | resume not? |
| 18:27.48 | hrw | ok. good to know |
| 18:28.05 | fosco | I could hit he on/off button but no effet |
| 18:28.16 | fosco | (do you have a 2.6 kernel .config?) |
| 18:29.17 | hrw | fosco: to build 2.6 for Z you rather should use OpenEmbedded to get all patches correctly applied. you also need gcc-cross 3.4/4.0 |
| 18:31.10 | fosco | ok |
| 18:33.00 | hrw | btw - after reset still no touchscreen? |
| 18:33.51 | fosco | yes |
| 18:35.08 | hrw | ok. will rebuild whole image |
| 18:35.23 | hrw | maybe this will help (test kernel changed modules) |
| 18:36.42 | fosco | (is the monotome server having problem?) |
| 18:36.46 | fosco | monotone |
| 18:37.00 | fosco | (http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/viewmtn/) |
| 18:37.34 | hrw | dont know |
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| 19:02.37 | hrw | fosco: directory experimental in spitz dir contain new images which should work on spitz (updated kernel) |
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| 19:03.09 | javra | i still can't encode and play videos for/on the zaurus |
| 19:03.11 | hrw | fosco: but w8 a minute - looks like I need to rebuild them |
| 19:03.33 | javra | i've got a 5500 and debian on my computer |
| 19:05.33 | fosco | argll :) |
| 19:09.08 | hrw | fosco: few minutes |
| 19:09.26 | fosco | no problem |
| 19:09.37 | fosco | I just had already started the upgrade :) |
| 19:11.02 | fosco | what is the name of the tool to calibrate the touchscreen? |
| 19:11.13 | fosco | the problem may be only that |
| 19:12.54 | hrw | in gpe or opie? |
| 19:12.58 | fosco | gpe |
| 19:13.12 | hrw | rm /etc/pointercal so it will start automatically with gpe |
| 19:13.36 | fosco | thanks :) |
| 19:13.41 | pgas | there is something in the settings also but i didn't tried it |
| 19:15.41 | hrw | screen setup |
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| 19:16.27 | hrw | fosco: images ready |
| 19:17.37 | fosco | ok, so i was that |
| 19:18.41 | andrewy | When I edit the /etc/init.d/opie script and change all instances of terminal 2 to terminal 3, opie still starts on terminal 2. any idea why that would be? I'm booting from an SD, so maybe it's starting opie from rom or something? |
| 19:20.20 | fosco | update running |
| 19:20.48 | hrw | andrewy: no idea |
| 19:20.49 | jebba | hrw, i got opie-image to build fine from org.openembedded.oz354fam083, but gpe-image is failing. http://pastebin.ca/37869 |
| 19:21.24 | hrw | heh... bug #568 |
| 19:22.21 | fosco | ehat oss driver do you use for the sound? |
| 19:22.56 | hrw | fosco: on 2.4? zaurus one - builtin into kernel |
| 19:23.33 | fosco | (do you have a .config) |
| 19:23.37 | fosco | I just tested the image |
| 19:23.48 | fosco | it does not boot: |
| 19:23.59 | fosco | (erm, it drops me to a shell) |
| 19:26.14 | hrw | fsck |
| 19:26.17 | fosco | ok, like old images it does not boot with the cf inserted |
| 19:27.03 | hrw | normal bug in 2.4 kernel |
| 19:27.52 | fosco | cf port is scanned in first position (before the microdrive) ? |
| 19:30.47 | hrw | yes |
| 19:30.58 | fosco | ok, normal then :) |
| 19:31.18 | hrw | its fixed in 2.6 kernel but as it is not yet well tested we skip it in 3.5.4 |
| 19:31.34 | fosco | yes, as it is stated on the website ;) |
| 19:32.12 | fosco | (still booting) |
| 19:32.23 | fosco | I cannot connect to the monotone server :\ |
| 19:39.37 | fosco | so it boots |
| 19:39.50 | fosco | I had suspend+restore some times |
| 19:40.04 | fosco | but now it seems to nod suspend anymore |
| 19:40.38 | fosco | seemd kernel related to me :) |
| 19:40.38 | hrw | thx. |
| 19:40.44 | hrw | yep sharp kernels are crap |
| 19:40.54 | fosco | :) |
| 19:41.02 | CoreDump|home | ~praise RP |
| 19:41.03 | ibot | All hail RP! |
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| 20:05.51 | andrewy | anyone know what xserver collie uses with gpe? |
| 20:10.46 | hrw | xserver-kdrive |
| 20:13.13 | fosco | hrw: are 2.6 kernel patche and config available somewhere? |
| 20:13.20 | hrw | in OE |
| 20:14.01 | fosco | the only server available is ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl ? :\ |
| 20:14.31 | hrw | monotone.vanille.de too |
| 20:16.44 | shadows | hrw: is it expected that i can only suspend / resume once with kernel 2.4.20 from oz 3.5.4fam03 branch, before it crashes? |
| 20:17.13 | hrw | shadows: hard to tell for me.. never had cxx00 device |
| 20:17.21 | shadows | power unit on, boot gpe-image, log in, suspend, resume, it's okay. then if i suspend again, the unit powers off and will not power back on |
| 20:17.22 | hrw | shadows: which one you have? |
| 20:17.24 | shadows | hm |
| 20:17.27 | shadows | the c3000 |
| 20:17.37 | shadows | it may only be happening with the cf wifi card in |
| 20:17.56 | hrw | could you try 'experimental' build? its in same place as test one |
| 20:18.25 | obergix[home] | hrw: experimental 2.6 for Cxxxx ? |
| 20:18.30 | shadows | i can't build anything that requires 2.95 gcc |
| 20:18.43 | shadows | sorry, i would need someone else to provide images for me to test |
| 20:18.58 | hrw | obergix[home]: no - 2.4.20 with experimental patch for kernel |
| 20:19.11 | hrw | shadows: I build experimental image |
| 20:19.32 | shadows | okay, i'm happy to test an image that is provided for me |
| 20:19.54 | shadows | i will be going to work now, and can do the test later |
| 20:20.12 | obergix[home] | hrw: ok... was so impatient on testing 3.5.4.1 ;) |
| 20:29.35 | fosco | monotone is slow :( |
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| 21:00.39 | fosco | anyone have a tar of a working OE build environment? |
| 21:00.41 | Martyn | Hey all. |
| 21:01.24 | Martyn | I'm trying to install OZ on a borzoi(SL-3100) .. there is a mention on the main page about a file "hdimage1.tgz" which is not available on any of the repositories I can find. Does anyone know where hdimage1.tgz can be found? |
| 21:01.54 | Martyn | http://openzaurus.org/wordpress/index.php/installation/sl-c3100 (Page that references the file) |
| 21:03.39 | hrw | Martyn: hdimage1.tgz is not used with 2.4.20 kernels on borzoi |
| 21:03.57 | Martyn | Yes, but I want to use 2.6 |
| 21:04.03 | Martyn | Since it's a borzoi :} |
| 21:04.36 | hrw | then build image for it and kernel so yoou will get it |
| 21:05.10 | fosco | not easy to build sources if you cannot get them :( |
| 21:05.45 | hrw | fosco: to build OZ you have to use OpenEmbedded |
| 21:06.36 | Martyn | hrw : So the instructions on that page are flat wrong then? |
| 21:06.37 | fosco | and how do I fetch the source? the monotone --db=/stuff/oe.db pull monotone.vanille.de "org.openembedded.{dev,dreambox}" stuff is not working (cpu full since 1h after dowloaded 36MB) |
| 21:06.50 | fosco | no tarballs available |
| 21:06.52 | Martyn | Yep, same here. Downloading the sources via monotone is broken :} |
| 21:07.06 | hrw | ~ewi |
| 21:07.08 | ibot | i heard ewi is ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl - main backup server for OE monotone. Hosts database snapshot: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/OE/OE.db.bz2 |
| 21:07.34 | fosco | perfect |
| 21:07.38 | CoreDump|home | s/backup// if you ask me =) |
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| 21:10.27 | Martyn | hrw : Are there any 2.6 images available at the moment? |
| 21:10.41 | hrw | no |
| 21:10.53 | Martyn | hmmm .. pity |
| 21:11.10 | Martyn | I have no way of compiling OpenEmbedded at the moment then. It seems it won't compile under VMware :} |
| 21:11.34 | hrw | thats not my problem sorry |
| 21:12.19 | Martyn | Rah-rah |
| 21:12.38 | Martyn | So, better question then ... will 2.6 images/kernel/filesystem be made available for the borzoi in the near future... |
| 21:18.10 | Martyn | Meanwhile, I've flased 3.5.4-RC4 onto the borzoi with a 2.4 kernel ;} |
| 21:18.25 | Martyn | reboot complete.. with a cute little green penguin |
| 21:18.50 | Martyn | Course, it would be nice if the boot screen started in LANDSCAPE mode :} |
| 21:21.41 | hrw | Martyn: it will be available some time after 3.5.4 release |
| 21:30.16 | Martyn | Well, I've got GPE + 2.4 working on the borzoi. |
| 21:30.23 | Martyn | SLOW booting .. -sigh- |
| 21:30.53 | hrw | first boot take some time |
| 21:32.56 | Martyn | Yep, we'll have to put some kind of animated boot indicator on the framebuffer. |
| 21:32.59 | Martyn | Otherwise the system just looks frozen |
| 21:34.03 | fosco | hrw: the 2.6.14 image from -RC is from what package (if you know ;) ) ? |
| 21:34.12 | hrw | fosco: linux-openzaurus |
| 21:34.53 | fosco | thanks |
| 21:35.27 | Martyn | OOK |
| 21:35.38 | Martyn | changing the theme causes OPE to crash. Probably not a good thing :} |
| 21:36.12 | hrw | OPE? OPIE or GPE - decide |
| 21:36.19 | Martyn | gpe in this case |
| 21:36.30 | hrw | is it reproductable? |
| 21:36.55 | Martyn | Yes. |
| 21:37.17 | hrw | with new user too? |
| 21:37.28 | Martyn | Open "Look and Feel" select any other theme but the default, GPE crashes w/ nonresponsive screen. |
| 21:38.06 | hrw | works on my c760 |
| 21:38.17 | CoreDump|home | works on Akita |
| 21:38.23 | Martyn | Well, that's the point of bugtesting, isn't it? |
| 21:38.25 | Martyn | heh |
| 21:38.42 | Martyn | Not where things -work- but where they don't :} |
| 21:38.47 | Martyn | I'll see if I can debug why |
| 21:38.49 | hrw | Martyn: does it happen with fresh new user too? |
| 21:39.52 | Martyn | Found it |
| 21:39.52 | Martyn | Yes. |
| 21:40.00 | Martyn | the problem is with selecting "enable visual effects" |
| 21:40.24 | hrw | ha! |
| 21:40.39 | hrw | known bug - marked as 'something to remove before release' already |
| 21:40.49 | Martyn | Good :} |
| 21:41.57 | Martyn | A phoo. |
| 21:42.13 | Martyn | Phooey .. the 2.4 kernel won't let me use my 802.11 card. |
| 21:42.22 | Martyn | 2.6 kernel required for support. Oh well. |
| 21:43.19 | hrw | which card? |
| 21:43.24 | hrw | cardctl ident please |
| 21:44.49 | hrw | OZ supports same wifi cards under 2.4 and 2.6 |
| 21:46.03 | Martyn | Socketcom E500 CF low power |
| 21:47.44 | hrw | manfid? |
| 21:48.48 | hrw | some cards have many names.. |
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| 21:49.07 | hrw | cardctl ident tell manfid/prodid which I need to answer your question |
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| 21:56.11 | hrw | Martyn: http://handhelds.org/~bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1470 is what you had |
| 21:56.13 | Martyn | 0x0156 |
| 21:56.27 | Martyn | 0x0003 |
| 21:56.43 | hrw | thx |
| 21:56.50 | Martyn | CF+ LP WLAN card rev B. |
| 21:57.28 | hrw | ah.. one of those wlan+mem? |
| 21:57.38 | hrw | prism3 card? |
| 21:57.50 | Martyn | Just wlan on this card |
| 21:59.06 | hrw | you used it before in Z? |
| 21:59.13 | Martyn | Yes. |
| 21:59.19 | Martyn | it's a hermes-II, I think |
| 21:59.26 | hrw | which driver it used? |
| 22:01.05 | Martyn | Agere |
| 22:01.13 | Martyn | Looking it up no |
| 22:01.15 | Martyn | now |
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| 22:02.15 | hrw | hm |
| 22:02.43 | hrw | could you modprobe orinoco_cs and look into dmesg does it recognize it? |
| 22:04.26 | Martyn | nope, it loads but doesn not seem to recognize the card |
| 22:08.19 | hrw | cannot help then - I;m not wifi expert (yet) |
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| 22:24.51 | fosco | I wonder how 2.6 images can detect root device? :\ |
| 22:27.05 | hrw | fosco: they have it in cmdline |
| 22:27.21 | fosco | but cmdline is not set by config |
| 22:27.28 | hrw | Martyn: hmm. getting agere building is a bit of work.. |
| 22:27.36 | fosco | at least, the provided defconfig does not |
| 22:27.36 | hrw | fosco: but it is set by bitbake |
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| 22:28.26 | fosco | hrw: not in defconfig |
| 22:28.37 | hrw | fosco: its added to it |
| 22:28.39 | fosco | # cat defconfig-cxx00 | grep hda1 | wc -l |
| 22:28.39 | fosco | 0 |
| 22:28.57 | hrw | grep hda1 linux-openzaurus.inc |
| 22:29.22 | hrw | CMDLINE = "${CMDLINE_CON} ${CMDLINE_ROOT} ${CMDLINE_MEM} ${CMDLINE_ROTATE} ${CMDLINE_OTHER} ${CMDLINE_DEBUG}" |
| 22:29.29 | hrw | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:29.49 | hrw | bit complicated |
| 22:30.20 | fosco | hmm yes |
| 22:31.13 | fosco | I would have simply liked to have the kernel config file used to compile the image |
| 22:31.25 | fosco | /proc/config.gz zould have done it :\ |
| 22:31.54 | hrw | thats only enlarge kernel.. |
| 22:32.06 | hrw | remember about size limit |
| 22:32.16 | fosco | standard sources sith provided config and patch simply don't compile |
| 22:32.36 | fosco | alsa sound fail for example |
| 22:33.07 | hrw | which patch? we have many of them |
| 22:33.31 | fosco | add-oz-release-string.patch, connectplus-remove-ide-HACK.patch, pxa-serial-hack.patch, serial-add-support-for-non-standard-xtals-to-16c950-driver.patch |
| 22:33.37 | fosco | those in package directory |
| 22:33.52 | hrw | 60 to be exact |
| 22:34.19 | hrw | look at SRC_URI |
| 22:34.26 | fosco | they are only 4 in the package dir |
| 22:35.11 | hrw | http://pastebin.com/516692 |
| 22:36.11 | hrw | that are all patches |
| 22:36.28 | fosco | thanks, but where are they stored? |
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| 22:36.46 | hrw | in SRC_URI you will get urls |
| 22:38.54 | fosco | I must be stupid, but all SRC_URI is see are url to vanilla kernel sources |
| 22:39.00 | hrw | RPSYS is variable |
| 22:39.23 | hrw | RPSRC, DOSRC, LJSRC |
| 22:40.22 | fosco | http://www.do13.de/openzaurus/patches/ ? :) |
| 22:40.32 | hrw | etc |
| 22:40.44 | hrw | I told you that best way is using OpenEmbedded |
| 22:40.57 | hrw | do you have working gcc-cross 3.4.x or 4.0.2? |
| 22:41.00 | fosco | yes |
| 22:41.10 | fosco | I already have compiled some images :) |
| 22:41.39 | hrw | aha |
| 22:46.00 | fosco | and using OE, could I have a useable and complete kernel sourcetree and default config? |
| 22:47.10 | hrw | yes |
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| 23:05.03 | fosco | it just failed... |
| 23:05.20 | fosco | patch fail with glibc |
| 23:05.36 | fosco | :( |
| 23:05.57 | hrw | .dev? .oz354fam083? |
| 23:06.50 | fosco | I used monotone --db=/stuff/oe.db pull monotone.vanille.de "org.openembedded.{dev,dreambox}" as stated in the how-to |
| 23:07.30 | fosco | but after 2 hours I used http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/OE/OE.db.bz2 |
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| 23:08.07 | hrw | should works |
| 23:08.50 | fosco | http://pastebin.com/516737 |
| 23:09.49 | hrw | looked at bugzilla? we had a bug about it iirc.. |
| 23:09.52 | hrw | it works for me |
| 23:10.04 | fosco | no I don't looked at bugzilla "\ |
| 23:10.13 | fosco | I just want a kernel source tree and a config |
| 23:10.32 | fosco | if you have one could you sent it to me? :\ |
| 23:11.15 | fosco | I try to have one since yesterday |
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| 23:20.53 | hrw | quilt dir is enough? |
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| 23:22.15 | fosco | quilt? :) |
| 23:22.47 | hrw | tool to take care about patching |
| 23:24.17 | fosco | if it includes the patchs, this will be enough :) |
| 23:24.32 | hrw | http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/hrw/oe/linux-2.6.15/patches/ |
| 23:26.19 | fosco | thanks |
| 23:46.30 | fosco | (do you have tried to apply all the patchs?) |
| 23:48.04 | hrw | tried? bitbake did it |
| 23:49.26 | fosco | in the order specified in 'series' ? I have rejects and reversed :\ |
| 23:50.02 | hrw | I told you: use OE |
| 23:50.15 | fosco | but it doesn't work for me |
| 23:50.50 | fosco | Why there is not a single patchset, this is used for a lot of kernel projects |
| 23:51.25 | fosco | OE failed to compile a single program, even glibc fails |
| 23:51.35 | hrw | because it is not single patchset |
| 23:51.56 | hrw | kernel maintainer prefer it that way, bitbake allow to use it that way |
| 23:52.10 | hrw | and OE problems... it works for me |
| 23:52.43 | fosco | I followed the how-to, I may have made a mistake, or maybe the snapshot is broken, or else |
| 23:53.56 | fosco | 2.6 packages cannot compiles, 2.4 is obsolette for years now |
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| 23:58.23 | synth | so us collie people are screwed for 2.6 huh |
| 23:58.56 | hrw | fosco: during last week I generated over 20 images for 7 zaurus machines, build 2.4 and 2.6 kernels for them (many times) |
| 23:59.26 | hrw | synth: unless someone write sd/mmc driver for it - but I lost faith that this will happen |
| 23:59.43 | hrw | usb gadget support for strongarm cpus also does not exist |
