| 00:00.43 | hrw | collie will stick with 2.4.18 which noone want to maintain |
| 00:00.46 | synth | yeah that sd is closed |
| 00:00.50 | synth | suck. |
| 00:01.08 | synth | every other release i had for my 5500 would just have lockup issues, suspend issues, gpe not logging in |
| 00:01.20 | synth | couldnt see sd after unsuspend |
| 00:01.23 | synth | sigh, what a waste of money. |
| 00:01.50 | fosco | hrw: so the problem is definitely on my side, what size is your /stuff? |
| 00:01.55 | hrw | I would like to get sl-a300 - not supported at all under OZ |
| 00:02.10 | hrw | fosco: my DL_DIR + CVS_DIR is 1-3G |
| 00:02.16 | synth | wonder how much a 5500 could get on ebay |
| 00:02.19 | synth | 50 bucks heh |
| 00:02.26 | fosco | hmm ok :) |
| 00:02.26 | hrw | fosco: last builddir took ~12G |
| 00:04.10 | hrw | synth: 50bucks? where are you from? |
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| 00:06.13 | hrw | someone want to buy leather case for c760 maybe? |
| 00:06.37 | synth | hrw: america, fl |
| 00:06.45 | synth | i bought it for 150 2 years ago |
| 00:07.14 | synth | its just never been too useful because of the instability |
| 00:07.54 | hrw | I enjoyed my 5500. was unstable sometimes but enjoyed |
| 00:08.12 | synth | well yeah, but now it wont be cause of 2.6 |
| 00:08.19 | synth | i had some fun w/it but it had many nagging bugs |
| 00:08.27 | hrw | like? |
| 00:08.32 | synth | what i said above |
| 00:15.09 | Martyn | hrw : Quick correction .. there ARE sdio implementations for ARM (Monta Vista Linux has one) but due to the encumberance of the license, it's a userspace binary. This is what prevents generic SDIO in the 2.6 kernel series. |
| 00:15.48 | hrw | Martyn: and what it has to collie sd/mmc situation? |
| 00:16.06 | Martyn | has to do with general sd/mmc problem that everyone has. |
| 00:16.34 | hrw | Martyn: SD organization is like it is.. |
| 00:16.56 | Martyn | Yep :( |
| 00:17.25 | Martyn | Heh.. just crashed my borzoi trying to run frozen-bubble :) |
| 00:17.44 | Martyn | 100% cpu 100%mem :} |
| 00:18.21 | Martyn | Regression testing every application is going to be ALL kinds of crashy fun :} |
| 00:18.43 | Martyn | OOoooo .. KDE is pretty though. Resource intensive, but ooooo soooo pretty. |
| 00:18.57 | hrw | try e17.. |
| 00:19.06 | Martyn | It runs? |
| 00:19.10 | hrw | sure |
| 00:19.14 | Martyn | I thought EVAS/Canvas needed a 3D accel? |
| 00:19.21 | hrw | no |
| 00:19.25 | Martyn | Oh, right, carsten has software-mode. |
| 00:19.31 | Martyn | Smart cookie that guy. |
| 00:20.57 | Martyn | No sound on borzoi, right? |
| 00:21.05 | hrw | ? |
| 00:21.05 | Martyn | Or should I expect it to work? |
| 00:21.21 | Martyn | (I am getting choppy sound .. glitches) |
| 00:21.28 | hrw | from? |
| 00:21.58 | hrw | sound on cxx00 should just works - maybe application which you use has problems. |
| 00:23.17 | Martyn | needed to overclock to 625Mhz to get decent performance. |
| 00:23.24 | Martyn | Sounds now correct. |
| 00:23.36 | hrw | which application? |
| 00:24.22 | Martyn | frozen-bubble |
| 00:24.31 | Martyn | sdl-perl takes too much CPU at 412mhz |
| 00:24.50 | hrw | so too small amount of cpu left for decoding... |
| 00:25.01 | Martyn | yep |
| 00:25.07 | hrw | and it probably use floating point decoder which suxx on arm |
| 00:25.17 | Martyn | integer decoder |
| 00:25.22 | Martyn | It's an all integer game. |
| 00:25.31 | Martyn | (no 3D, just sprites) |
| 00:25.41 | hrw | I played f-b many times |
| 00:26.14 | Martyn | installing battalion and bzflag now |
| 00:28.06 | Martyn | OI |
| 00:28.12 | Martyn | bzflag is waaaaaay too slow to play :} |
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| 00:29.35 | Martyn | still, it's amazing it runs at all. |
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| 02:14.00 | z1ng3r | So is there something I should know about OZ3.5.3 and getting my Ambicom wl1100c wifi nic to associate with my wap? |
| 02:22.46 | z1ng3r | Anyone living in here? Sentience, anyone? Anyone? |
| 02:23.01 | z1ng3r | Bueller? |
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| 02:50.42 | Borealid | hello |
| 02:54.14 | z1ng3r | Yeah? |
| 02:54.24 | z1ng3r | I think the rest of 'em are asleep. |
| 02:54.32 | User706 | hmm |
| 02:54.53 | Borealid | do you happen to use gpe? |
| 02:57.26 | z1ng3r | Yeah, sorta. |
| 02:57.36 | Borealid | sorta? |
| 02:58.10 | z1ng3r | Do you have a question? I can't tell you if I know the answer unless you ask the question. |
| 02:58.17 | Borealid | heh |
| 02:58.23 | Borealid | well, I have a few |
| 02:58.33 | z1ng3r | And they are...? |
| 02:58.33 | Borealid | what's going on with the native toolchains on the device? |
| 02:58.45 | Borealid | installing gcc, binutils, etc. doesn't get me a working compiler |
| 02:58.52 | Borealid | .dev branch |
| 02:59.04 | Borealid | best I can get is missing crt1.o |
| 02:59.24 | z1ng3r | Can't answer the toolchains one. I do all my compiling on intel. |
| 02:59.29 | Borealid | okay then |
| 02:59.43 | Borealid | how do I build kdepimpi for X? |
| 02:59.49 | Borealid | the packages are for QT |
| 03:00.01 | Borealid | of course, they're not marked as such |
| 03:00.33 | z1ng3r | I have no idea what kdepimpi is. Never heard of it. (I'm guessing I'm not much good, but don't let that stop you from asking more.) |
| 03:00.41 | Borealid | ok then |
| 03:00.47 | Borealid | what do you use for media playback? |
| 03:01.15 | z1ng3r | :-) |
| 03:01.22 | z1ng3r | iPod. |
| 03:01.32 | z1ng3r | No- kidding, XMMS |
| 03:01.41 | Borealid | and video? |
| 03:01.53 | z1ng3r | There's a QT/QPE version of xine. |
| 03:02.03 | Borealid | yeah, see, that doesn't help me much |
| 03:02.13 | Borealid | I'm not going to use Qt unless it'll run over X |
| 03:02.25 | Borealid | I have gxine installed |
| 03:02.29 | Borealid | but it's insufficient |
| 03:02.32 | z1ng3r | That should work. |
| 03:02.39 | Borealid | what I'd really like is mplayer |
| 03:02.44 | z1ng3r | Why is it insufficient? |
| 03:02.55 | Borealid | it doesn't play my aac files |
| 03:03.06 | Borealid | I can decode them with faad |
| 03:03.10 | Borealid | but that's not good enough |
| 03:03.22 | z1ng3r | Gotcha. You have me then. |
| 03:03.30 | Borealid | hm. |
| 03:03.46 | Borealid | what's going on with the metadata right now? |
| 03:04.02 | Borealid | I can't bitbake gpe-image even from -rjan2006prebreakage |
| 03:04.40 | Borealid | and the main server has been down forever |
| 03:04.48 | Borealid | or, if not down, not working for me (TM) |
| 03:05.04 | z1ng3r | Sorry. I do absolutely nothing with development on Z. I'm here looking for answers myself, but about flaky wifi. |
| 03:05.59 | Borealid | hmm |
| 03:06.03 | Borealid | you use a hostap card? |
| 03:06.12 | z1ng3r | Yeah. |
| 03:06.16 | Borealid | that's probably it |
| 03:06.21 | Borealid | have you tried static IP? |
| 03:06.33 | z1ng3r | I can't get it to associate with the wap. It's flaky. |
| 03:06.42 | Borealid | oooh, that sort of flaky |
| 03:06.52 | Borealid | rather than 'it drops the connection' flaky |
| 03:07.12 | Borealid | fails part of the time, but not all? |
| 03:07.13 | z1ng3r | Yeah. I may fall back to 3.5.1. |
| 03:07.21 | Borealid | ick |
| 03:07.28 | Borealid | have you tried a 2.6 kernel? |
| 03:07.28 | z1ng3r | inconsistent, long time to fail. |
| 03:07.42 | z1ng3r | Any distros with 2.6 for Z? |
| 03:07.58 | Borealid | nope, sorry, only homebuilt |
| 03:08.06 | Borealid | but I had many more problems before I upgraded |
| 03:08.18 | z1ng3r | I have enough to worry about without effing around with that right now. |
| 03:08.40 | Borealid | you want a PDA that *works* :P |
| 03:09.04 | z1ng3r | I have a palm that works. This is for mobile admin and snooping. |
| 03:09.24 | Borealid | then wifi would be important, I suppose |
| 03:09.32 | Borealid | have you tried another card? |
| 03:09.35 | z1ng3r | Yeah. |
| 03:09.54 | Borealid | double ick, then |
| 03:09.57 | z1ng3r | I have an ambicom wl1100c and a dlink 660. |
| 03:09.59 | Borealid | hey, do you know how to create a pty? |
| 03:10.05 | Borealid | or why I have none? |
| 03:10.42 | Borealid | I don't know of any current issues that would cause flakiness of that sort |
| 03:10.48 | Borealid | so I can't help much |
| 03:12.41 | Borealid | all righty then, I'll just try to puzzle through my various problems myself |
| 03:12.55 | Borealid | oh, interesting tidbit: mplayer with -vo aa works over a wifi connection through ssh |
| 03:13.02 | Borealid | and -vo caca, in color |
| 03:13.14 | Borealid | makes quite a tech demo |
| 03:13.29 | Borealid | and runs better than bb |
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| 04:05.42 | z1ng3r | Is anyone awake in here> |
| 04:05.43 | z1ng3r | ? |
| 04:40.24 | jebba | hrw|gone, re: http://pastebin.ca/37869 & bug #568, the patch there worksforme |
| 04:42.08 | z1ng3r | why, why, why, why, why will NO version of OZ allow me to consistently associate with my WAP with WEP turned on? |
| 04:52.58 | kolla | WAP? :) |
| 04:56.20 | z1ng3r | Wireless Access Point. |
| 04:57.56 | kolla | thouht it was wireless application protocol |
| 04:58.28 | z1ng3r | That's for phones. |
| 04:58.53 | kolla | phone, pda.. is's basicly the same |
| 04:58.53 | z1ng3r | 802.11 WAP is the access point. |
| 05:00.09 | kolla | anyways, cant help you I'm afraid.. with OZ my zaurus is also wont connect well using prism2 cards |
| 05:00.17 | kolla | s/is // |
| 05:00.45 | kolla | heh? |
| 05:00.56 | kolla | oh, I see |
| 05:01.00 | kolla | hehe, that's funny |
| 05:04.43 | kolla | have not tried without wep though |
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| 06:13.06 | jebba | hrw|gone, "gpe-bluetooth-0.49-r0: task do_configure: failed" it needs libcontactsdb built first. (missing dependency) |
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| 08:16.18 | Mardy | hi all |
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| 10:04.10 | hrw | morning |
| 10:04.19 | hrw | jebba: its fixed in branch |
| 10:04.47 | hrw | kolla, z1ng3r: what card(s) you have problems with? |
| 10:27.07 | shadows | hrw: i finally got home from work a few minutes ago |
| 10:27.54 | shadows | i'm wicked tired, will not do the test immediately. i need to sleep before i do anything |
| 10:28.01 | hrw | no problemo man |
| 10:28.15 | hrw | thare are nearly 50 testers ;) |
| 10:30.54 | shadows | wonderful |
| 10:37.08 | shadows | the GPE needs a lot of work, it is not a complete solution |
| 10:37.22 | shadows | that's not exactly an OZ problem though |
| 10:38.47 | shadows | i would add to a wishlist, to make a package for the 'yafc' sftp client |
| 10:44.34 | shadows | it is superior to openssh-sftp |
| 10:45.11 | shadows | okay back to bed |
| 11:02.09 | kolla | hrw: prism2 in general I think, I have two cards (one SMC, the other.. I dont remember), both behave the same |
| 11:03.26 | kolla | I only use usbnet nowadays |
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| 11:59.54 | hrw | kolla: are they recognized? |
| 12:04.33 | CoreDump|home | hi |
| 12:16.49 | hrw|gone | cu |
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| 12:21.08 | CoreDump|home | cya hrw|gone |
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| 14:54.15 | DataBeaver | What, no package of nethack? |
| 14:54.29 | DataBeaver | This is outrageous! |
| 14:54.40 | hrw | nethack has so fscked buildsystem that noone bothered |
| 15:03.01 | DataBeaver | Does bitbake set CC and friends in the environment? |
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| 15:13.25 | BlackDevil | hi |
| 15:13.45 | BlackDevil | anybody would help me in installing opieplayer 2 |
| 15:13.58 | BlackDevil | in openzaurus 3.5.4 rom on sharp sl-5500 ? |
| 15:15.03 | CoreDump|home | as there is no 3.5.4 feed right now, that's not possible. Using the 3.5.3 feed may result in crashes / instabilities |
| 15:15.19 | BlackDevil | hmm |
| 15:15.28 | BlackDevil | i though that 3.5.3 works fine on 3.5.4 |
| 15:15.34 | BlackDevil | well than i will swap to 3.5.3 |
| 15:15.53 | BlackDevil | would you help me when i change it ? |
| 15:16.19 | CoreDump|home | what's the difficulty? ipkg-install opie-mediaplayer2 |
| 15:16.21 | BlackDevil | i'am changing to 3.5.3 openzaurus version |
| 15:16.45 | BlackDevil | i have problems with ipkg-links stuff |
| 15:16.52 | BlackDevil | i always get message error on linking packages |
| 15:17.01 | BlackDevil | and it won't intall on my SD card |
| 15:17.22 | CoreDump|home | sounds like a problem with your card then |
| 15:17.31 | BlackDevil | i'am a fresh guy into this,,, |
| 15:17.39 | BlackDevil | so i might be doing something wrong |
| 15:17.47 | CoreDump|home | mkfs the card and try again |
| 15:17.49 | BlackDevil | i've tested on different sd card the same |
| 15:18.15 | BlackDevil | i've used ext2 filesystem and vfat filesystem |
| 15:18.18 | BlackDevil | on both the same |
| 15:18.35 | CoreDump|home | vfat doesn't support links, no wonder there |
| 15:18.59 | CoreDump|home | you're forced to use ext2 to install apps on the card |
| 15:19.49 | BlackDevil | ok but it seems like i used ext2 also and it didn't worked |
| 15:20.10 | BlackDevil | could you connect to my zaurus |
| 15:20.14 | CoreDump|home | try again =) |
| 15:20.16 | BlackDevil | via internet -ssh |
| 15:20.22 | BlackDevil | and try to install it ? |
| 15:20.27 | CoreDump|home | heh sure |
| 15:20.34 | BlackDevil | wait a sec |
| 15:20.46 | BlackDevil | i'am reflashing it |
| 15:20.47 | BlackDevil | right now |
| 15:22.15 | BlackDevil | maybe you will be able to sove my problem and would tell me what is wrong with it ,, |
| 15:22.24 | BlackDevil | if you could of caurse |
| 15:22.27 | BlackDevil | course |
| 15:23.21 | CoreDump|home | I can try |
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| 15:25.35 | BlackDevil | sorry it will take me a while |
| 15:25.40 | BlackDevil | till i configure network card |
| 15:25.51 | CoreDump|home | no hurry |
| 15:26.28 | DataBeaver | Hm, nethack wants curses.h... |
| 15:32.15 | DataBeaver | And now -ltermlib... |
| 15:32.34 | CoreDump|home | told, ya nethack is a pita |
| 15:33.17 | DataBeaver | Let's try curses instead |
| 15:41.15 | DataBeaver | Yay, got it built |
| 15:41.33 | DataBeaver | Let's see if it works too... |
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| 15:50.39 | NoFonE | i'am posting my question again |
| 15:50.54 | NoFonE | could anyone help me installing opieplayer 2 on openzaurus 3.5.3 |
| 15:51.03 | NoFonE | on sharp zaurus sl-5500 |
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| 15:52.34 | CoreDump|home | NoFonE: it would help if you would keep the same nick |
| 15:53.23 | CoreDump|home | <BlackDevil> via internet -ssh |
| 15:53.23 | CoreDump|home | <BlackDevil> and try to install it ? |
| 15:53.31 | CoreDump|home | <CoreDump|home> I can try |
| 15:53.49 | NoFonE | ssh to that ip |
| 15:53.51 | NoFonE | 83.29.18.80 |
| 15:54.04 | NoFonE | than ,, you should be able to get the login screen |
| 15:54.26 | CoreDump|home | that that the Z or a gateway? |
| 15:54.31 | NoFonE | well it seemed that my previous nick was reserver at nickserv service and it was kicking me out,. |
| 15:55.02 | CoreDump|home | root pw not empty |
| 15:55.11 | NoFonE | yes |
| 15:55.15 | NoFonE | password is collie |
| 15:56.56 | CoreDump|home | /dev/mmcda1 on /media/card type vfat (rw,sync,noatime) |
| 15:57.03 | CoreDump|home | you have stuff on that card |
| 15:57.31 | NoFonE | delet eit all |
| 15:57.38 | CoreDump|home | ok |
| 15:57.42 | NoFonE | delete it all there is nothing usefull on that card |
| 15:59.53 | CoreDump|home | root@collie:~# mkfs.ext2 -m0 /dev/mmcda1 |
| 15:59.59 | CoreDump|home | that doesn't return |
| 16:00.17 | CoreDump|home | looks like the card has a problem w/ ext2 |
| 16:01.05 | CoreDump|home | well nm that |
| 16:01.13 | CoreDump|home | formatting a gig takes some time |
| 16:01.26 | DataBeaver | Hm, "no write permission to lock perm", but nethack is running as the user "games" and that file is 644 games.bin... |
| 16:02.11 | CoreDump|home | your ipkg.conf is busted |
| 16:02.59 | NoFonE | yup i think the openzaurus 3.5.3 |
| 16:03.04 | NoFonE | have different links |
| 16:03.17 | NoFonE | adress of mirrors have changed |
| 16:03.23 | NoFonE | and i hadn't change that yet |
| 16:03.27 | NoFonE | after reflashing |
| 16:05.26 | CoreDump|home | well I fixed it |
| 16:05.37 | DataBeaver | Ah, it's wanting to create a new file and is missing write permission to the directore. |
| 16:05.37 | CoreDump|home | root@collie:~# ipkg install -d sd opie-mediaplayer2 |
| 16:05.50 | NoFonE | i wonder if it will link the packages now |
| 16:07.05 | CoreDump|home | that feed is busted |
| 16:07.09 | DataBeaver | Yay, I got to character generation |
| 16:07.11 | CoreDump|home | missing dependencies |
| 16:07.35 | CoreDump|home | DataBeaver: great =) any plans for the QPE version? |
| 16:08.13 | DataBeaver | Doesn't it have a terminal too? |
| 16:08.39 | CoreDump|home | DataBeaver: yeah, both actually |
| 16:08.50 | CoreDump|home | ahh I misunderstood |
| 16:09.07 | CoreDump|home | the QPE version is nicer (with GUI and stuff) |
| 16:09.41 | DataBeaver | Ohh, a graphical version. |
| 16:09.56 | DataBeaver | Terminal is teh classic! |
| 16:09.59 | CoreDump|home | for opie, yeah |
| 16:10.12 | CoreDump|home | I agree =) |
| 16:10.31 | DataBeaver | Hm, what's QPE? |
| 16:11.46 | CoreDump|home | or qte, whatever it's called |
| 16:12.54 | DataBeaver | How does it relate to GPE and Opie? |
| 16:13.35 | CoreDump|home | qte = Qtopia/embedded = Opies GUI |
| 16:13.41 | DataBeaver | ok |
| 16:14.35 | DataBeaver | Well, (1) I run GPE and (2) I like the terminal version better anyway, so I most likely won't work on any graphical version. |
| 16:15.01 | DataBeaver | I can send you a diff of the changes that got the terminal version working for me if you want. |
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| 16:15.32 | CoreDump|home | well, it was worth a try heh |
| 16:15.54 | CoreDump|home | NoFonE: restart opie |
| 16:16.00 | NoFonE | ok |
| 16:16.21 | NoFonE | restarting |
| 16:16.36 | NoFonE | wow |
| 16:16.39 | NoFonE | it works,,, |
| 16:16.46 | NoFonE | so basically what was fucked up ? |
| 16:17.00 | NoFonE | sorry for offensive word,, but |
| 16:17.04 | NoFonE | if i could now ? |
| 16:17.08 | CoreDump|home | nothing, formatted card to ext2, updated ipkg.conf, installed and linked |
| 16:17.14 | NoFonE | hmm |
| 16:17.24 | NoFonE | that is strage |
| 16:17.48 | NoFonE | wonder if can i install mozilla right now |
| 16:18.06 | CoreDump|home | no,mozilla = X, Opie = Qtopia |
| 16:18.41 | NoFonE | ok |
| 16:21.38 | NoFonE | i think there is no that package on the list |
| 16:21.44 | NoFonE | of available packages |
| 16:21.47 | NoFonE | am i right |
| 16:21.47 | NoFonE | ? |
| 16:23.35 | DataBeaver | Yay, I have nethack! |
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| 16:24.54 | NoFonE | CoreDump|home - have this error message |
| 16:25.00 | NoFonE | why is happening thing like that |
| 16:25.03 | DataBeaver | Hm, I wonder if the numbers will work for moving diagonally... |
| 16:25.37 | NoFonE | error liking '/media/card/ whatever to '/opt/qtpalmtop/help etc |
| 16:26.06 | CoreDump|home | replace /media/card with /media/card/packages |
| 16:26.07 | NoFonE | i've tried to install |
| 16:26.09 | NoFonE | opie-ftp |
| 16:26.12 | NoFonE | and opie-mail |
| 16:26.44 | NoFonE | replace that name from /media/card to /media/card/packages ? |
| 16:27.49 | CoreDump|home | ipkg-link mount /medi/card/packages |
| 16:27.55 | CoreDump|home | media even |
| 16:28.43 | NoFonE | so should i execute this command |
| 16:28.51 | NoFonE | always after install |
| 16:29.07 | NoFonE | sorry for that dumn questions but i'am fresh into zaurus subject |
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| 16:29.25 | NoFonE | command was executed ... result .... DONE |
| 16:30.01 | CoreDump|home | right |
| 16:30.43 | NoFonE | root@collie:/# ipkg-link |
| 16:30.43 | NoFonE | Usage: |
| 16:30.44 | NoFonE | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:30.44 | NoFonE | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:30.44 | NoFonE | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:30.44 | NoFonE | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:30.46 | NoFonE | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:31.28 | NoFonE | i think the best way of installing packages is thru the shell |
| 16:31.31 | NoFonE | not using gui |
| 16:32.20 | NoFonE | CoreDump|home |
| 16:32.28 | NoFonE | can i have a one more question |
| 16:32.41 | NoFonE | can you install me some kind of web browseR ? |
| 16:35.30 | CoreDump|home | install konqueror-emedded |
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| 20:18.32 | kiev88_ | hi all |
| 20:19.04 | jebba | hrw, ok. How about 404s for JavaScriptCore ? :) |
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| 20:19.43 | hrw | report bug? |
| 20:19.43 | NoFonE | hi |
| 20:19.59 | NoFonE | what kind of webbrowser i can install under openzaurus 3.5.3 opie 1.2 ? |
| 20:20.15 | jebba | http://pastebin.ca/38067 |
| 20:20.32 | kiev88_ | any idea what whould be the right fstab hdd entry for spitz model? |
| 20:20.55 | kiev88_ | where shld I mount the 3 partitions? |
| 20:23.26 | kiev88_ | had1 to /, had2 to /home had3 to /media/hdd? |
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| 20:31.08 | kiev88_ | re-hi |
| 20:35.01 | shadows | kiev88_: hey |
| 20:35.15 | shadows | kiev88_: i have differing partitions than everyone else has |
| 20:35.24 | shadows | well, i may share the same setup as JustinP |
| 20:35.54 | shadows | my hardware is spitz, and i have shrunk the FAT32 partition (hda3) down, and created an extended partition as hda4 (hda5 hda6) |
| 20:35.59 | shadows | my hda6 is the rootfs here |
| 20:36.02 | shadows | hda5 being swapfs |
| 20:39.56 | kiev88_ | was considering this by a noob point of view |
| 20:42.11 | shadows | oh |
| 20:42.16 | shadows | i'm not sure |
| 20:43.25 | kiev88_ | does it makes any difference if I point had2 to /home and then I install some package there? |
| 20:44.22 | kiev88_ | or there's any rule in where I should install things? |
| 20:44.41 | hrw | into any non-vfat formatted space |
| 20:44.55 | kiev88_ | ok |
| 20:48.03 | kiev88_ | I've got some other basic questions.... why opieplayer2 doesn't work in 3.5.4-testing? |
| 20:48.12 | kiev88_ | it worked in 3.5.4-RC.. |
| 20:48.30 | kiev88_ | and qpdf? it crashes searching for files.... |
| 20:52.17 | kiev88_ | I'm sorry for my newbie questions but I think they reflect little linux experineced user point of view..... |
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| 21:12.17 | shadows | JustinP: hey man, what's the deal with the initrd |
| 21:14.45 | JustinP | what? |
| 21:15.31 | JustinP | what exactly are you asking me? |
| 21:15.42 | shadows | oh |
| 21:15.43 | shadows | heh |
| 21:15.51 | shadows | well that alternate partition structure we're using |
| 21:15.59 | shadows | it's configured via the initrd, yeah? |
| 21:16.22 | JustinP | I still don't know what you're asking |
| 21:17.23 | shadows | sorry if i'm confusing |
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| 21:17.59 | shadows | JustinP: on the Sharp Zaurus C3000 (spitz), i have set up hda < hda1 hda2 hda3 hda4( hda5 hda6 ) > |
| 21:18.09 | shadows | JustinP: this is per something you told me a while ago |
| 21:18.45 | JustinP | that's a choice you can make |
| 21:18.55 | JustinP | I chose that as I wanted my sharp ROM to stay intact |
| 21:19.06 | JustinP | the normal way is to overwrite hda1 with OZ |
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| 21:52.47 | shadows | JustinP: yes, well how does the OZ OS know to boot hda6 and not hda1? |
| 21:52.53 | shadows | or whichever |
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| 21:56.14 | CoreDump|home | for kernel 2.4 that's done w/ /sbin/init |
| 21:57.35 | shadows | okay so my point i'm wanting to get at is what is the appropriate method for OZ 3.5.4 release impending, to tell the OS which rootfs device to use? |
| 21:58.11 | shadows | and how would that be the same or differ for 2.4.20 kernel vs. 2.6.x kernel |
| 21:58.26 | CoreDump|home | editing /sbin/init is the way to go |
| 21:58.56 | CoreDump|home | kernel 2.6 boots a partition directly w/o /sbin/init from flash AFAIK |
| 21:59.12 | shadows | errg |
| 21:59.26 | shadows | is there some way to do this with a pre-built image |
| 21:59.59 | shadows | and for kernel 2.6, isn't there still an initrd? |
| 22:00.09 | shadows | i.e. the OpenZaurus updater script would update your initrd |
| 22:00.17 | shadows | or am i wrong about that |
| 22:00.28 | shadows | i'm not sure what is stored on the spitz flash |
| 22:00.57 | CoreDump|home | on the flash is a minimal bootable system which is booted by the kernel |
| 22:01.20 | shadows | oh okay |
| 22:01.21 | CoreDump|home | the flash then switches over to HDD and the HDD becomes oot |
| 22:01.25 | CoreDump|home | root |
| 22:01.44 | CoreDump|home | this is done w/ /sbin/init from flash |
| 22:01.53 | shadows | so where does the recovery system kick in? the one where you login as zaurus or root |
| 22:01.55 | CoreDump|home | a simple shell script |
| 22:02.46 | shadows | hm |
| 22:02.46 | CoreDump|home | shadows: the recovery system is on a different partition of the flash |
| 22:02.51 | shadows | oh okay |
| 22:03.02 | shadows | so as long as i don't touch that, it's not going to go poof |
| 22:03.13 | CoreDump|home | you _do_not_ want to mess with it |
| 22:03.19 | shadows | you're saying that with kernel 2.6, the flash isn't used at all, so where is the kernel stored? |
| 22:03.20 | CoreDump|home | correct |
| 22:03.37 | CoreDump|home | heh in yet another part of the flash |
| 22:03.39 | shadows | i'm confused about how this machine boots |
| 22:03.45 | shadows | should i be? |
| 22:03.56 | CoreDump|home | well, yes =) |
| 22:04.00 | shadows | ah okay |
| 22:04.03 | shadows | i'm right on track then |
| 22:04.07 | CoreDump|home | ok,once more |
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| 22:04.19 | CoreDump|home | kernel is flashed outside any rootfs |
| 22:04.28 | shadows | okay |
| 22:04.29 | CoreDump|home | bootloader boots the kernel |
| 22:04.40 | shadows | what bootloader, some kind of CFE? |
| 22:05.00 | CoreDump|home | dunno what a CFE is. The bootloader is our "BIOS" |
| 22:05.13 | shadows | okay |
| 22:05.18 | shadows | is the bootloader flashable |
| 22:05.22 | CoreDump|home | trashed bootloader = you have bricked your PDA |
| 22:05.30 | shadows | i mean, at what point is there something built into your Z you can't change |
| 22:05.34 | CoreDump|home | you do not want to do that |
| 22:05.41 | shadows | okay |
| 22:05.57 | shadows | going off on a 1 minute tangent... |
| 22:06.03 | CoreDump|home | =) |
| 22:06.09 | shadows | let's say you trash the bootloader, is there an interface to flash it |
| 22:06.17 | shadows | or is that a chip programmer before it's soldered on |
| 22:06.34 | shadows | (sorry, i have to learn things top down or it makes me crazy) |
| 22:06.35 | CoreDump|home | JTAG should be able to do that |
| 22:06.57 | CoreDump|home | but I've never used JTAG =) |
| 22:07.11 | shadows | okay. presuming that there's some kind of jtag interface, may or may not be |
| 22:07.30 | shadows | power button, some kind of hardware logic to power on |
| 22:07.42 | shadows | bootloader then does... |
| 22:07.49 | CoreDump|home | on spitz / akita / borzoi there is one at the back of the unit behind a cover |
| 22:08.02 | shadows | reallly... oooh |
| 22:08.29 | hhhhcz | in the sl6000 there is a diagnostic menu accessible by holding the d and p keys while resetting. Does this reside also in the flash? |
| 22:09.08 | CoreDump|home | hhhhcz: good question. i think so yeah. the menu might be a fuction of the bootloader |
| 22:09.11 | JustinP | shadows: there is the system menu on the Cxx00 thatis outside the flash (IIRC). This *can* be used to override th ebootloader, I think, and to "un-brick" your Z if you screw it up that badly |
| 22:09.21 | JustinP | but you shouldn't be screwing with that stuff normally |
| 22:09.54 | JustinP | there are multiple levels of things on the newer zaurii (anything after 5600 I think) |
| 22:10.03 | CoreDump|home | JustinP: how can the Z show a menu when its BIOS is trashed? |
| 22:10.03 | shadows | okay |
| 22:10.36 | shadows | JustinP: is that system menu programmed on a non-writable flash chip |
| 22:10.58 | shadows | i'm looking for a flow of how everything happens so i am no longer blindly assuming things are "magic" |
| 22:11.19 | shadows | as i understand my C3000 device presently, it runs on fairy dust and wishful thinking |
| 22:11.23 | JustinP | CoreDump|home: the bootloader is a bootloader, not a BIOS |
| 22:11.43 | JustinP | CoreDump|home: the bootloader resides in flash. IIRC the system menu (NAND backup, restore, etc) is not in flash |
| 22:11.59 | JustinP | as it can overwrite the entire flash (NAND) |
| 22:12.07 | shadows | oh okay |
| 22:12.09 | CoreDump|home | JustinP: depends on the device actually. On some models no bootloader = no way in hell to boot the thing |
| 22:12.33 | CoreDump|home | iPAQ comes to mind |
| 22:12.37 | shadows | i thought perhaps the menu screen you speak of (which i've used) is part of the NAND |
| 22:12.56 | CoreDump|home | even battery charging is controlled by the bootloader |
| 22:13.31 | shadows | CoreDump|home: that sounds more like a BIOS function |
| 22:13.57 | shadows | where a BIOS might have a function to look for a certain entry point on a storage device it initializes the hardware for, and then jumps |
| 22:13.58 | CoreDump|home | shadows: as I said, bootloader == BIOS. There isn't a BIOS chip in PDA's |
| 22:13.59 | JustinP | sure, but I'm talking about the zaurii, which have normal boot + the flasher + recovery boot + system menu |
| 22:14.05 | shadows | oh hm |
| 22:14.21 | CoreDump|home | JustinP: *cough* collie *cough* |
| 22:15.22 | CoreDump|home | anyways, as long as you don't mess with the recovery system and / or bootloader, you'll be fine |
| 22:15.43 | CoreDump|home | it is almost impossible to brick a Z |
| 22:15.44 | JustinP | yes, I frigging know, as I said, this is the newer zaurii |
| 22:16.02 | JustinP | the collie is very breakable and has very few options for fixing |
| 22:16.09 | CoreDump|home | and i was frigging talking about bootloaders in general |
| 22:16.23 | CoreDump|home | you can't brick a collie with OZ |
| 22:16.27 | CoreDump|home | not going to happen |
| 22:16.44 | shadows | can you brick a collie, period? |
| 22:16.49 | CoreDump|home | yes |
| 22:17.08 | CoreDump|home | by flashing Sharp ROMs (which flashes the bootloader, too) |
| 22:17.42 | shadows | on an Cisco/Linksys hardware WRT54G embedded linux device, for example, you cannot brick it in such a manner as a well known method to restore it (JTAG) is not possible to use to bring it back |
| 22:17.57 | shadows | make a JTAG interface, follow the recepie, and viola |
| 22:17.58 | shadows | it's back |
| 22:18.02 | shadows | no factory needed |
| 22:18.21 | CoreDump|home | righto =) JTAG = last hope tho. |
| 22:18.25 | shadows | you're meaning that a collie can be in such a state that you would not reasonably be able to bring it back |
| 22:18.31 | CoreDump|home | correct |
| 22:18.47 | shadows | okay, what about the spitz |
| 22:19.03 | CoreDump|home | very very unlikely |
| 22:19.39 | shadows | i've done a full restore on my spitz, like overwriting the full NAND |
| 22:19.44 | shadows | the whole kit and kaboodle |
| 22:20.07 | shadows | i'm fairly certain that i read in the guide on how to do this, that the menu for flashing the whole NAND is part of the NAND |
| 22:20.25 | CoreDump|home | heh that would suck |
| 22:20.45 | CoreDump|home | dunno what's overwritten by a NAND restore |
| 22:21.29 | shadows | like, the service menus and everything are stored in a file that i have, and i used as part of the restore, IIRC |
| 22:21.46 | CoreDump|home | you can flash a totally damaged initrd.bin on any Z and get away with it |
| 22:22.32 | shadows | hmm |
| 22:23.22 | shadows | for the moment, say there's some various options the device has to boot from, determined by what buttons are pressed at power on |
| 22:23.36 | CoreDump|home | right |
| 22:23.54 | shadows | at what level is it just hardware signals at power on, do we know? |
| 22:24.20 | shadows | which code interprets your key presses and stuff at power on, or is that a hardware |
| 22:24.33 | CoreDump|home | hmm |
| 22:24.37 | CoreDump|home | no idea |
| 22:24.45 | shadows | there's the magic fairy dust |
| 22:24.58 | CoreDump|home | i believe it to be the bootloader if anything |
| 22:26.12 | shadows | http://www.xlfag.com/zaurus/ for reference |
| 22:26.21 | CoreDump|home | but in my book the interesting part starts after the kernel is booted anyways =) |
| 22:26.43 | shadows | " NAND (this contains a boot loader, the Service/Diagnosis Menus, an emergency linux system, and the basic filesystem. You most certainly won't need this but it's included here for completeness)" |
| 22:27.29 | CoreDump|home | ouch |
| 22:27.45 | CoreDump|home | ok, don't do that then =) |
| 22:27.49 | shadows | yeah |
| 22:27.58 | shadows | i'm thinking about if it's possible to develop an alternate bootloader |
| 22:28.06 | shadows | one that allows you to choose which OS to boot |
| 22:29.00 | CoreDump|home | the problem really isn't partition/device selection on boot |
| 22:29.12 | CoreDump|home | that is already doable with a shellscript |
| 22:29.26 | CoreDump|home | the problem is that you cannot change the kernel that is loaded |
| 22:29.36 | shadows | well, say i want the option to boot the original japanese stuff, or OZ |
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| 22:29.47 | CoreDump|home | to there's no way in hell to dual boot sharp or OZ or PDAX etc |
| 22:29.52 | shadows | so, could i mod the bootloader to pick which kernel loads |
| 22:30.00 | shadows | hm |
| 22:30.09 | CoreDump|home | shadows: that would be very cool |
| 22:30.11 | shadows | what about a 2.6 kernel and kexec to load the japanese embeddix one? |
| 22:30.28 | CoreDump|home | well, dunno |
| 22:32.12 | CoreDump|home | man that guy in the article you posted explains how to boot into the recovery system |
| 22:32.16 | CoreDump|home | totally nuts |
| 22:32.21 | shadows | yeah |
| 22:32.27 | shadows | i did that whole process to my Z |
| 22:32.47 | shadows | it's important when i have a many-hundred-dollar machine to know how to restore it |
| 22:32.52 | shadows | so i could sell it if needed |
| 22:33.17 | shadows | the neat part is it explains in detail how to partition the hd |
| 22:33.48 | shadows | i've adapted that process to make an hda3 that is smaller, and an extended hda4 containing hda5 (swapfs) and hda6 (rootfs) |
| 22:33.59 | shadows | leaving the original sharp ROM info intact |
| 22:34.06 | shadows | minus the kernel which is flashed over |
| 22:34.33 | CoreDump|home | you could do that w/o the recovery fs |
| 22:34.45 | shadows | how? |
| 22:34.55 | CoreDump|home | hack /sbin/init not to pivot_root into the HDD |
| 22:35.21 | CoreDump|home | and do init=/bin/sh instead, problem solved |
| 22:35.25 | shadows | oh, so basically the same function as the recovery fs |
| 22:35.40 | CoreDump|home | indeed but alot safer |
| 22:38.05 | shadows | hm |
| 22:38.09 | shadows | i wonder how that is safer |
| 22:38.16 | CoreDump|home | simple |
| 22:38.45 | CoreDump|home | trashed your normalflash rootfs? just reflash initd.bin |
| 22:39.06 | CoreDump|home | trashed the recovery rootfs? good luck flashing anything =) NAND restore, here you come |
| 22:39.16 | shadows | the recovery rootfs mounts ro |
| 22:39.18 | shadows | i think |
| 22:39.23 | shadows | i see what you mean though |
| 22:39.27 | shadows | if someone were to remount it |
| 22:39.32 | CoreDump|home | i would hope so =) |
| 22:42.18 | shadows | eek holy crap |
| 22:42.19 | shadows | it's rw |
| 22:42.21 | shadows | :( |
| 22:42.34 | CoreDump|home | ~lart sharp |
| 22:44.10 | shadows | CoreDump|home: i tried a test just now |
| 22:44.17 | shadows | i did 'touch test' on the rootfs |
| 22:44.19 | shadows | sync |
| 22:44.27 | shadows | then reboot and tried the recovery fs again |
| 22:44.32 | shadows | file 'test' was not there |
| 22:44.36 | CoreDump|home | heh |
| 22:45.52 | shadows | what do you think, is it likely to be damaged then? |
| 22:46.27 | CoreDump|home | can't tell without checking it out. Which I have currently no intention to do |
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| 22:47.01 | CoreDump|home | it's good to know the rec fs is there in case you need it. But other than that it really doesn't exist for me |
| 22:47.12 | shadows | "rootfs on / type rootfs (rw)", "/dev/root on / type ext2 (rw)", "/proc on /proc type proc (rw)", "/dev/shm on /tmp type tmpfs (rw)", "none on /dev/pts type devpts (rw)" |
| 22:47.28 | shadows | i think it may be impermeable except with writing to flash |
| 22:47.52 | NoFonE | hi to all what's the name of a webbrowser for openzaurus 3.5.3 ? |
| 22:48.09 | shadows | NoFonE: in gpe-image there is minibrowser |
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| 22:48.19 | CoreDump|home | konqueror-embedded for opie |
| 22:48.27 | NoFonE | ok |
| 22:48.31 | shadows | CoreDump|home: which device do you have? |
| 22:48.38 | NoFonE | but it needs some kind of library |
| 22:48.42 | CoreDump|home | collie and akita |
| 22:49.24 | NoFonE | it is asking for some package that is not available on the download list i guess |
| 22:49.30 | NoFonE | or it is a part of something else |
| 22:49.40 | CoreDump|home | NoFonE: dunno, I don't run ROMs from oz.org normally |
| 22:50.14 | NoFonE | wait a second |
| 22:50.28 | NoFonE | i'am installing some junk right now,, but in a sec i will tell you what is missing ,, |
| 22:50.43 | CoreDump|home | shadows: http://hentges.net/tmp/photos <- the insides of a slc1k, almost identical to spitz / borzoi |
| 22:50.52 | NoFonE | bytheway CoreDump|home thank you for your previous help,,, |
| 22:51.04 | CoreDump|home | you're welcome |
| 22:51.51 | NoFonE | couple more questions is there an apche serwer for oz ? |
| 22:52.02 | NoFonE | and where i can find a configuration file for samba ? |
| 22:52.12 | CoreDump|home | dunno x2 |
| 22:52.14 | NoFonE | apache,,, for the first question |
| 22:52.26 | shadows | CoreDump|home: nice pictures, they are decently sharp |
| 22:52.35 | CoreDump|home | if it's not in the feed you are out of luck |
| 22:53.12 | CoreDump|home | shadows: the camera sucked heh. Our local kernel god needed to know the ID of some controller chip |
| 22:53.23 | shadows | ah |
| 22:53.43 | shadows | i have no hope with my fixed-focus 2.0mp casio toy |
| 22:54.03 | shadows | it takes great snapshots, i've done a lot with it, totally useless at photographing circuit innards |
| 22:54.13 | CoreDump|home | =( |
| 22:54.21 | shadows | great snapshots though |
| 22:54.22 | NoFonE | wil lthis one work |
| 22:54.23 | NoFonE | http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/search.php?q=apache |
| 22:55.00 | CoreDump|home | NoFonE: i don't think so |
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| 22:57.28 | CoreDump|home | shadows: http://hentges.net/tmp/screenshots/Enlightenment-Zaurus/ |
| 22:57.48 | CoreDump|home | e17 looks so uber on a Z |
| 22:58.04 | NoFonE | CoreDump|home - can i clean somehow a bit a my root directory ,, after linking some packages i have about 400kb left |
| 22:58.04 | shadows | i hate , hate, hate Enlightenment on a desktop computer |
| 22:58.13 | shadows | on embedded device it looks amazing though |
| 22:58.37 | CoreDump|home | shadows: =) JustinP is working on the e17 Z image |
| 22:58.46 | shadows | stellar |
| 22:58.50 | CoreDump|home | NoFonE: well not really |
| 22:59.39 | CoreDump|home | NoFonE: you can uninstall some opie-apps from flash and install them to SD |
| 22:59.59 | shadows | CoreDump|home: okay, i'm seeing in the recovery fs dmesg log that there's 1 MTD partition on device "sharpsl-flash" ("Filesystem"), and 3 MTD partitions on device "NAND 16MB 3,3V" ("smf", "root", "home") |
| 23:00.35 | NoFonE | i guess that i can't run out of that memory on root device cause than |
| 23:00.54 | NoFonE | opie will hang or it wouldn't boot to gui |
| 23:01.00 | CoreDump|home | right |
| 23:01.26 | NoFonE | CoreDump|home - are you using orginal sharp rom ? |
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| 23:01.49 | CoreDump|home | NoFonE: nope, I'm using self compiled ROMs |
| 23:02.03 | NoFonE | ok ,,, |
| 23:02.16 | CoreDump|home | http://hentges.net/misc/openzaurus/oz3.5.3-opie1.2.0.shtml |
| 23:02.32 | NoFonE | as a question have anyone tried to run winshit on zaurus 5500 ,, and is it possible ? |
| 23:02.52 | shadows | truth be it i really don't feel that further development with a 2.4.20 kernel is terribly appropriate |
| 23:02.54 | JustinP | having strange problems with entrance and e-wm themes right now..... |
| 23:03.11 | shadows | NoFonE: what is winshit? |
| 23:03.14 | CoreDump|home | JustinP: :\ |
| 23:03.22 | NoFonE | windows,,, operating shit |
| 23:03.36 | CoreDump|home | shadows: at least everything works with this kernel |
| 23:03.41 | NoFonE | the Windows CE thing,,, |
| 23:03.49 | shadows | oh, wince? |
| 23:04.07 | shadows | CoreDump|home: i guess? |
| 23:04.11 | NoFonE | yes ,, can you actually load it to zaurus,,, |
| 23:04.20 | NoFonE | 5500 with 16mb of its flash rom space ? |
| 23:04.22 | shadows | CoreDump|home: the code is so... yuck though |
| 23:04.44 | CoreDump|home | shadows: indeed =) RP works on the kernel 2.6 front |
| 23:04.52 | shadows | why on hell would you run WinCE on a Z |
| 23:05.09 | shadows | buy an iPaq or something |
| 23:05.15 | shadows | an Axim |
| 23:06.00 | shadows | CoreDump|home: i'm kind of losing my motivation to bugtest 3.5.4 before release, if it's going to have the 2.4.20 kernel |
| 23:06.26 | shadows | at least with gpe-image, it's got so many bugs, i doubt having a 2.6 kernel would be much of a difference |
| 23:06.39 | shadows | if anything you'd be fixing bugs in something that would eventually be used |
| 23:06.53 | shadows | instead of fixing bugs on 2.4.20 which has ugly code |
| 23:07.15 | NoFonE | shadows- i'am not saying that i would run on Z wince ,, i am just wondering if it is possible,,. |
| 23:07.28 | CoreDump|home | it isn't |
| 23:07.28 | shadows | NoFonE: ask microsoft |
| 23:08.15 | CoreDump|home | shadows: GPE looks and works really nice compare to OZ 3.5.1->3.5.3 |
| 23:08.43 | CoreDump|home | it needs some love on the usability side tho |
| 23:11.03 | RP | If there are gpe bugs in 2.4, there will be the same gpe bugs in 2.6 so those are worth fixing |
| 23:11.27 | RP | The position of 2.6 on all cxx00 devices is such I'd not advise spending too much time on kernel issues though |
| 23:11.44 | CoreDump|home | exactly |
| 23:11.44 | shadows | hm |
| 23:11.59 | shadows | things like "does it suspend/resume reliably on a range of peripheral device conditions" is a big one |
| 23:12.06 | shadows | which is heavily kernel related |
| 23:12.16 | RP | so not worth spending time on IMO |
| 23:12.24 | CoreDump|home | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.14988.png < things you can do with a hacked /sbin/init |
| 23:12.24 | shadows | the basics. can i take this thing around with me and actually use it |
| 23:12.40 | RP | 2.6 is just about ready for action but can't be part of 3.5.4 as its too close to release to change that |
| 23:12.41 | shadows | CoreDump|home: nice |
| 23:12.48 | shadows | oh |
| 23:13.11 | RP | CoreDump|home: Have you tried 2.6? If not, do so ;-) |
| 23:13.26 | shadows | i understand that, i've used the 2.6 kernel and it suspends/resumes reliably |
| 23:13.30 | CoreDump|home | RP: .dev doesn't compile for me =( |
| 23:13.32 | shadows | which 2.4.20 does not exactly do |
| 23:13.48 | RP | CoreDump|home: Which bit of .dev? |
| 23:13.57 | CoreDump|home | shadows: that's only true for GPE |
| 23:14.04 | shadows | O RLY? |
| 23:14.19 | CoreDump|home | RP: dunno, trashed the .dev tmp yesterday |
| 23:14.29 | CoreDump|home | YES RLY =) |
| 23:14.34 | shadows | my issue is that it will suspend/resume once after poweron, then the 2nd attempt to resume results in no power |
| 23:14.55 | shadows | this may have something to do with using an DLink DCF-660W wifi cf card |
| 23:14.55 | CoreDump|home | try Opie, suspend/resume works perfectly |
| 23:15.00 | shadows | okay |
| 23:15.02 | shadows | i will try opie |
| 23:15.03 | shadows | :) |
| 23:15.13 | CoreDump|home | I see the same here w/ gpe |
| 23:18.14 | NoFonE | CoreDump|home - i think it would be the best idea to move everything or almost everything from root straight to sd card,,, |
| 23:18.36 | CoreDump|home | don't move to much or the Z won't boot |
| 23:18.38 | shadows | why is running from SD card so great |
| 23:18.55 | shadows | for non cxxx models |
| 23:19.07 | CoreDump|home | shadows: if you have 16Mb of ROM, it's worth a thought |
| 23:19.09 | NoFonE | what i can move and what i cannot ? |
| 23:19.12 | shadows | oh, heh |
| 23:19.34 | CoreDump|home | NoFonE: all opie stuff can be moved |
| 23:19.45 | CoreDump|home | frees up plenty of space |
| 23:19.55 | NoFonE | on www.openzaurus.org |
| 23:20.19 | NoFonE | there was once an article explaining how to create an image file on sd card with the root directory and all stuff |
| 23:20.24 | NoFonE | i think that shall do ? |
| 23:20.27 | CoreDump|home | shadows: with e17 and opie the Z even resumes when its rootfs is on NFS heh |
| 23:20.44 | CoreDump|home | NoFonE: sure |
| 23:20.50 | shadows | so what makes GPE crap out? |
| 23:21.21 | CoreDump|home | looks like X is triggering a kernel bug from what I hear |
| 23:23.01 | shadows | kernel. bug. |
| 23:23.05 | CoreDump|home | =) |
| 23:23.08 | shadows | anywho i'll try those images |
| 23:23.35 | shadows | same kernel, right? just overwrite the rootfs |
| 23:23.45 | CoreDump|home | right |
| 23:24.54 | CoreDump|home | which images are you using? hrw's? |
| 23:25.02 | shadows | NAbyss's |
| 23:25.24 | shadows | i asked him to build the 3.5.4fam083 branch for me since i'm on amd64 |
| 23:25.33 | shadows | 32-bit chroot was not working out |
| 23:25.52 | CoreDump|home | i c |
| 23:26.09 | shadows | another compelling reason i think i should not be spending more time with 2.4.20 *grunt* |
| 23:27.02 | CoreDump|home | my HDD is full or I'd build a .dev image to check it out |
| 23:27.16 | shadows | you filled up 4gb? |
| 23:27.21 | shadows | err, oh the host hd |
| 23:27.38 | shadows | want another one? |
| 23:27.41 | CoreDump|home | /dev/md2 376G 370G 6.6G 99% /mnt/raid0 |
| 23:27.46 | shadows | yeek |
| 23:27.51 | CoreDump|home | yep |
| 23:27.52 | shadows | on a raid0!? |
| 23:28.01 | shadows | what if one of the drives dies |
| 23:28.14 | CoreDump|home | err no |
| 23:28.24 | CoreDump|home | that's actually a Raid10 |
| 23:28.46 | shadows | oh |
| 23:28.55 | shadows | 4x 400gb drives |
| 23:29.08 | CoreDump|home | 4x 200Gb |
| 23:29.11 | shadows | ah |
| 23:29.16 | CoreDump|home | 2 striped mirrors |
| 23:30.24 | shadows | wait, so where does.. hmm |
| 23:30.43 | shadows | that'd be pretty cost effective to implement |
| 23:30.56 | shadows | why not raid5, is raid5 too slow? |
| 23:32.03 | shadows | personally i have raid1 on a file server, and i'm not willing to drop a lot of cash to find out if there's a better way to do it |
| 23:32.10 | CoreDump|home | it is. it's only software raid=( |
| 23:32.40 | CoreDump|home | raid5 was a CPU hog and darn slow |
| 23:32.45 | shadows | okay |
| 23:33.00 | shadows | maybe if it was on a hardware card, it'd make sense |
| 23:33.13 | CoreDump|home | raid0 (800Gb heh) was hitting 130Mb+/sec |
| 23:33.21 | shadows | wooh. |
| 23:33.33 | shadows | you meain that raid0 sums the drive capacities? |
| 23:33.33 | CoreDump|home | at the limit of the PCI bus =) |
| 23:33.40 | CoreDump|home | shadows: correct |
| 23:33.49 | shadows | i thought it was like, raid1, in that you don't add any storage |
| 23:34.04 | CoreDump|home | raid 1 = mirroring |
| 23:34.18 | CoreDump|home | 2 200G drives in Raid 1 = 200G |
| 23:34.32 | CoreDump|home | in raid 0 (striping) 2 200G drives = 400G |
| 23:34.37 | shadows | ohh.. okay |
| 23:35.10 | CoreDump|home | raid5 = 3 200G drives -> 400G (-1 drive) |
| 23:35.31 | shadows | yeah i was thinking about a 3 drive raid5 |
| 23:35.39 | shadows | less chance for mechanical failure, statistcally |
| 23:36.03 | CoreDump|home | in raid5 one drive can fail w/o dataloss |
| 23:36.22 | CoreDump|home | if 2 die (or one controller) it's over =) |
| 23:36.28 | shadows | mmhm |
| 23:36.36 | CoreDump|home | raid10 guards against 2 drive failures |
| 23:36.42 | shadows | oh yeah, software raid means it doesn't matter about your "controller" huh |
| 23:37.09 | CoreDump|home | you stll gotta hook the drives up somewhere =) |
| 23:37.28 | shadows | it's not like you have to buy the exact brand and make of controller |
| 23:37.35 | shadows | just any cheap IDE controller would work |
| 23:37.35 | CoreDump|home | right |
| 23:37.40 | CoreDump|home | indeed |
| 23:37.51 | shadows | i'll have to check that out |
| 23:38.52 | CoreDump|home | I use 4 SATA drives, using 2 onboard ports and 2 ports on a PCI card |
| 23:39.08 | shadows | i'm into SATA now. it's the way to go |
| 23:39.13 | CoreDump|home | yep |
| 23:39.20 | shadows | even my burner is SATA |
| 23:39.24 | shadows | works great |
| 23:39.40 | CoreDump|home | i hear that kernel 2.6.15 brought SMART for SATA |
| 23:39.45 | shadows | *nod* |
| 23:39.51 | shadows | it's really just a pass-thru |
| 23:39.59 | CoreDump|home | gotta upgrade then =) |
| 23:40.25 | shadows | 2.6.15 brings a change in libata though, now there is a module option to enable ATAPI over SATA |
| 23:40.29 | CoreDump|home | there goes my uptime... |
| 23:41.01 | shadows | so if your distro loads libata as part of an initrd, you modify your distro's initrd creation config to generate an initrd passing the appropriate module option |
| 23:41.01 | CoreDump|home | = burner support? |
| 23:41.01 | shadows | yep |
| 23:41.11 | shadows | it's tested working here on my debian etch box |
| 23:41.15 | CoreDump|home | I'm booting off IDE heh |
| 23:41.21 | CoreDump|home | nice! |
| 23:41.32 | shadows | well, here it beats the pants off of having to patch the kernel every release |
| 23:41.46 | shadows | just a 1 liner patch, still i'm happy to see it become more "mainstream" |
| 23:42.04 | CoreDump|home | right |
| 23:42.09 | shadows | the SATA connectors are cheesy |
| 23:42.21 | CoreDump|home | indeed |
| 23:42.25 | shadows | i don't know what kind of crack the designers were smoking |
| 23:42.28 | shadows | i want some |
| 23:42.44 | shadows | have you tried multilane sata connectors? |
| 23:42.50 | CoreDump|home | my boxed crashed like once a month because of a loose connector grrr before i found it |
| 23:42.53 | shadows | they've got a positive lock, reportedly |
| 23:42.55 | shadows | awwe |
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| 23:43.19 | shadows | sata/150 is supposedly getting an change in the connector types |
| 23:43.38 | CoreDump|home | I hope so |
| 23:43.46 | CoreDump|home | 00:40:14 up 156 days, 1:46, 9 users, load average: 2.29, 2.45, 2.40 |
| 23:43.57 | CoreDump|home | ^ ^ new cable |
| 23:44.09 | shadows | :) |
| 23:44.30 | shadows | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:44.35 | CoreDump|home | =) |
| 23:44.38 | shadows | mother's house has problems with power |
| 23:44.52 | shadows | UPS doesn't seem to function worth a turd |
| 23:44.56 | CoreDump|home | heh, I hate that |
| 23:45.11 | shadows | i was like, hey what the crap, so i pull the UPS power and sure enough it kicks in, and my server goes down |
| 23:45.15 | shadows | like,.... what the heck |
| 23:45.31 | CoreDump|home | hehe |
| 23:45.40 | shadows | sure enough my rackmount case's power supply doesn't have a big enough cap to survive the wait state |
| 23:45.52 | shadows | so it drops voltages and causes everything to die |
| 23:45.56 | shadows | but it's still powered on |
| 23:45.58 | CoreDump|home | eww |
| 23:46.03 | shadows | yeah |
| 23:46.05 | CoreDump|home | that's nasty |
| 23:46.13 | shadows | that's what i get for buying a crappy UPS |
| 23:46.20 | CoreDump|home | =( |
| 23:46.29 | shadows | what kind of UPS do you use? |
| 23:46.33 | CoreDump|home | none |
| 23:46.49 | shadows | and you have 100+ days of uptime? |
| 23:47.04 | CoreDump|home | last power outage was like 3 or 4 years ago |
| 23:47.21 | shadows | life is so unfair IMO |
| 23:47.27 | CoreDump|home | =) |
| 23:47.30 | shadows | =) |
| 23:47.51 | shadows | my longest uptime for a *nix box personally was 137 days |
| 23:47.56 | shadows | i change kernels too often |
| 23:49.08 | CoreDump|home | heh |
| 23:50.30 | CoreDump|home | um lol |
| 23:50.32 | CoreDump|home | 00:34:59 up 401 days, 7:31, 1 user, load average: 0.46, 0.59, 0.60 |
| 23:50.54 | CoreDump|home | i sooooo should upgrade the kernel on that one |
| 23:51.06 | shadows | CoreDump|home: at least it doesn't say 2 users |
| 23:51.16 | CoreDump|home | webserver =) |
| 23:51.25 | shadows | dmesg output reads "Oh btw j00 b33n r00t3d" |
| 23:51.38 | CoreDump|home | =) |
| 23:52.08 | CoreDump|home | that would suck, but that's what backups are fore |
| 23:52.08 | shadows | i laughed when *looks up and to the left* a mysterious person rooted the local community college's servers |
| 23:52.22 | CoreDump|home | hehe |
| 23:52.46 | shadows | they had a whole message about security, and how important it was to keep your email free from viruses |
| 23:52.50 | shadows | made it even more funner |
| 23:52.59 | shadows | viruses... on.. *nix |
| 23:53.01 | shadows | riiight |
| 23:53.04 | CoreDump|home | yep |
| 23:53.29 | CoreDump|home | well I do feel sorry for windows users at times |
| 23:53.38 | CoreDump|home | not very often tho |
| 23:53.55 | shadows | mmhm |
| 23:55.52 | shadows | say, what's the difference between "tar zxvpf file.tgz" and "gzip -cd file.tgz | tar xvf -" |
| 23:55.57 | shadows | err |
| 23:55.59 | shadows | minus the p flag |
| 23:56.11 | shadows | i mean, what's the reason you'd use one over the other |
| 23:56.15 | shadows | bugs in gzip or tar? |
| 23:56.19 | shadows | kernel limitations? |
| 23:56.22 | CoreDump|home | errr |
| 23:56.48 | CoreDump|home | p? what's it for? |
| 23:56.49 | jebba | shadows, perhaps using `tar` on an older system like SunOS without `tar -z` ? |
| 23:56.56 | shadows | oh okay |
| 23:57.15 | shadows | well, in context i am talking about my Sharp Zaurus C3000's built in linux recovery system |
| 23:57.26 | shadows | which i think works fine with tar 'z' |
| 23:57.37 | jebba | i'd think `tar zxf` is fine for anything "modern" or GNU'd-out |
| 23:57.42 | CoreDump|home | shadows: i have a solaris box at work. Its tar doesn't know -z |
| 23:58.02 | shadows | i gather that -z is a GNU tar option |
| 23:58.10 | CoreDump|home | s/i have a/i have access to/ |
| 23:58.30 | CoreDump|home | maybe |
| 23:59.17 | shadows | just to gloat about how "oldschool" i am for a 21 year old guy, i know what the bzip2 compression option was in alpha versions of tar that supported it |
| 23:59.20 | shadows | 'y' :) |
| 23:59.37 | CoreDump|home | lol =) |
