irclog2html for #openzaurus on 20060123

`00:00.20`	`shadows`	`yeah i still find myself when very drunk typing in things like tar yxvf foo.tbz2`
`00:00.47`	`CoreDump\|home`	`=)`
`00:01.13`	`CoreDump\|home`	`I try to avoid (my) computers at any cost when I'm drunk`
`00:01.18`	`shadows`	`good policy`
`00:01.32`	`CoreDump\|home`	`trashed my rootfs once because of that`
`00:01.37`	`shadows`	`"can you count the number of rootfs accidents..."`
`00:01.42`	`shadows`	`"no, i was drunk, duh!"`
`00:01.43`	`CoreDump\|home`	`hehe`
`00:02.17`	`shadows`	`i like using the Z's recovery system to do the hdimage1.tgz clobbing`
`00:02.27`	`shadows`	`it's not scary at all`
`00:02.29`	`CoreDump\|home`	`chown-R user.user / blahh it was`
`00:02.36`	`shadows`	`gah hahaha`
`00:02.44`	`CoreDump\|home`	`=)`
`00:03.11`	`shadows`	`ask for help about that in 2002's #debian if you want a good time`
`00:03.23`	`CoreDump\|home`	`lol`
`00:03.33`	`CoreDump\|home`	`2006 #debian still sucks`
`00:03.54`	`CoreDump\|home`	`do you have any idea how many things stop working after that? =)`
`00:04.13`	`shadows`	`yes, yes i do`
`00:04.18`	`CoreDump\|home`	`hehehe`
`00:04.59`	`shadows`	`i also remember distinctly the sinking feeling when i figured out how i might check what had happened, after a user told me to check the permissions on /dev/zero`
`00:05.13`	`CoreDump\|home`	`um lol?`
`00:05.21`	`shadows`	`and then my reaction after complying with his/her directions to check other files permissions`
`00:05.30`	`shadows`	`"oh my god, they're all the same. i've been hacked"`
`00:05.33`	`shadows`	`then, no wait`
`00:05.36`	`shadows`	`i was drinking`
`00:05.36`	`CoreDump\|home`	`that hurts lol`
`00:05.37`	`shadows`	`...`
`00:05.38`	`shadows`	`oh`
`00:05.42`	`CoreDump\|home`	`=)`
`00:06.20`	`shadows`	`the other fun one was rm -fr / home/myusername`
`00:06.34`	`CoreDump\|home`	`that's a classic`
`00:06.51`	`shadows`	`after all said and done, that keyboard was given a beating it would not survive`
`00:07.02`	`CoreDump\|home`	`heh`
`00:09.12`	`shadows`	`CoreDump\|home: screen protectors for zaurii, do you use them`
`00:09.16`	`CoreDump\|home`	`nope`
`00:09.43`	`shadows`	`how's the WPA support for OPIE`
`00:09.44`	`CoreDump\|home`	`but I don't carry them around with me all day`
`00:09.58`	`CoreDump\|home`	`there's wpa-suplicant in the feed`
`00:10.03`	`shadows`	`oh`
`00:10.09`	`CoreDump\|home`	`had it working on my collie once`
`00:10.12`	`shadows`	`it's not in with the image?`
`00:10.16`	`CoreDump\|home`	`no`
`00:10.26`	`shadows`	`o_O`
`00:10.30`	`CoreDump\|home`	`well, I _think_ no`
`00:11.18`	`shadows`	`w/o that there's no working method for me to get the Z online, the USB network gadget thing doesn't quite work`
`00:11.25`	`shadows`	`at least not with my host box`
`00:12.00`	`CoreDump\|home`	`I'll see if it compiles, hold on`
`00:13.34`	`shadows`	`okay hmm CityTime still segfaults`
`00:13.37`	`shadows`	`no surprises there`
`00:14.16`	`CoreDump\|home`	`sorry wpa-sup is broken atm`
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`00:15.11`	`CoreDump\|home`	`anyways, I'm going to apm -s myself now (aka bedtime). was nice talking to you`
`00:15.24`	`CoreDump\|home`	`n8 shadows, n8 all`
`00:16.23`	`shadows`	`yep`
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`00:36.30`	`shadows`	`hey um, i don't know if everyone is aware of this or not, but serialio offers an USB A mini OTG cable to USB A Female connector for ten bucks usd`
`00:36.46`	`shadows`	`which beats the pants off the $20 I paid for an GoldX cable`
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`01:31.11`	`shadows`	`:/`
`01:31.15`	`shadows`	`no pl2303 driver`
`01:31.16`	`shadows`	`hmm`
`01:50.29`	`shadows`	`oh okay`
`01:50.47`	`shadows`	`the one from Johnathan's site works`
`01:51.03`	`shadows`	`s/ohnath/onath/`
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`02:16.03`	`shadows`	`heylo`
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`04:41.07`	`\|matt\|`	`Hello all, I recently tried 3.5.3/opie on my newly aquired collie and I found that the recorder was broken. Googled. Changed some settings but no joy.`
`04:41.31`	`\|matt\|`	`This seems to be a known problem, is there anything going on that suggests this will/is fixed?`
`04:41.54`	`\|matt\|`	`opierec is the actual program, I guess.`
`04:43.29`	`shadows`	`where the heck is the ALT key on spitz`
`04:43.56`	`shadows`	`\|matt\|: development is on 3.5.4, readying it for release`
`04:44.00`	`shadows`	`focus there :)`
`04:44.27`	`\|matt\|`	`I looked at the rc but didn`
`04:44.30`	`\|matt\|`	`install`
`04:44.36`	`shadows`	`oh, not the rc`
`04:44.45`	`shadows`	`the oz 3.5.4 fam083 branch`
`04:44.57`	`\|matt\|`	`from CVS?`
`04:44.59`	`shadows`	`erm... i forget the URL`
`04:45.01`	`shadows`	`yes`
`04:45.11`	`shadows`	`from the source repository`
`04:45.18`	`\|matt\|`	`I have yet to do any cross compiling...`
`04:45.31`	`shadows`	`requires an x86 box. it's pretty straight forward to do`
`04:45.38`	`shadows`	`it bootstraps a compiler to use`
`04:46.06`	`\|matt\|`	`I have 14 of those to use but I must admit I am not looking forward to it.`
`04:46.21`	`shadows`	`14 of what?`
`04:46.26`	`\|matt\|`	`x86's`
`04:46.33`	`shadows`	`oh`
`04:46.40`	`shadows`	`what's your project`
`04:47.00`	`\|matt\|`	`I run a little render farm for my small animation company.`
`04:47.18`	`\|matt\|`	`I recently got a collie, and would like to make best use of it.`
`04:47.26`	`\|matt\|`	`It is really cool.`
`04:47.41`	`shadows`	`i've got a spitz`
`04:47.56`	`\|matt\|`	`How is the compatibility between OZ and the sharp stuff?`
`04:48.03`	`shadows`	`limited`
`04:48.11`	`\|matt\|`	`ohh goody.`
`04:48.12`	`shadows`	`there's a compat lib, it works sometimes`
`04:48.25`	`shadows`	`most of the kernel development is with 2.6 kernel`
`04:48.40`	`shadows`	`which is a rewrite of the spaghetti embeddix lineo code`
`04:49.05`	`shadows`	`seriously, i have not seen such yucky code as is in the embeddix 2.4.20 lineo kernel in a long time`
`04:49.08`	`shadows`	`many years`
`04:49.59`	`shadows`	`RP did a rewrite of much the code to make 2.6 kernel function`
`04:50.06`	`shadows`	`he's about 97% there for most devices`
`04:50.18`	`shadows`	`i've tried the 2.6 kernel result on my spitz, it works great`
`04:50.26`	`\|matt\|`	`Well, I love to see improvements, but I really want to see a stable system for everyday use.`
`04:50.31`	`shadows`	`ah, yeah`
`04:50.37`	`\|matt\|`	`Thats good to hear.`
`04:50.41`	`shadows`	`opie-image is closest, IMO`
`04:50.44`	`shadows`	`i'm a GPE fan`
`04:50.53`	`\|matt\|`	`That was my next question.`
`04:51.02`	`\|matt\|`	`Opie looks good.`
`04:51.11`	`\|matt\|`	`but so does GPE.`
`04:51.22`	`shadows`	`when the Enlightenment images shape up (thanks to hard work by JustinP) they are going to rock the planet`
`04:51.38`	`\|matt\|`	`Enlightenment - on these things?!!??`
`04:51.44`	`\|matt\|`	`Really?`
`04:51.45`	`shadows`	`the main difference of GPE vs. Opie is the use of x11 for GPE`
`04:51.46`	`\|matt\|`	`Wow.`
`04:51.50`	`shadows`	`yeah`
`04:51.57`	`\|matt\|`	`That must be a hog.`
`04:51.59`	`shadows`	`E looks like ass on a desktop, that is my opinion`
`04:52.08`	`shadows`	`on an embedded device it is super`
`04:52.14`	`shadows`	`a hog?`
`04:52.20`	`shadows`	`E17 is not a hog`
`04:52.33`	`shadows`	`it's probably one of the more efficient eye candy systems i've seen`
`04:52.38`	`shadows`	`clean code, well thought out`
`04:52.44`	`shadows`	`i hate it on a modern desktop computer`
`04:52.49`	`\|matt\|`	`Its been ages since I've tried it on my desktop, but it was a beast to run at the time.`
`04:53.00`	`shadows`	`oh that's like, oldschool E`
`04:53.06`	`shadows`	`before Metacity E`
`04:53.13`	`\|matt\|`	`Correct.`
`04:53.14`	`shadows`	`pre-Bush E`
`04:53.26`	`shadows`	`pre-war-on-terror E`
`04:54.10`	`\|matt\|`	`Well, I really would like to put this thing into use, and I think I need to make a choice here pretty quick.`
`04:54.56`	`\|matt\|`	`I suspect that I will go with whichever has the most software flexability.`
`04:55.05`	`shadows`	`that is going to be openzaurus`
`04:55.50`	`\|matt\|`	`What do you use to sync with? On the DT?`
`04:55.52`	`shadows`	`your choices consist of modified Sharp ROMs, cacko rom, something totally custom, debian, OpenBSD, and OpenZaurus`
`04:55.55`	`shadows`	`oh`
`04:55.57`	`shadows`	`i don't sync`
`04:56.06`	`shadows`	`i use an older model Palm Pilot for important stuff`
`04:56.17`	`shadows`	`it's a Palm IIIxe upgraded to Palm OS 4.1`
`04:56.22`	`\|matt\|`	`May I ask why?`
`04:56.30`	`shadows`	`i've dropped it on concrete maybe three hundred times`
`04:56.38`	`shadows`	`the screen is still fine, works great`
`04:57.09`	`shadows`	`it works with every sync software in the known world of open source`
`04:57.24`	`shadows`	`plus i modded the cradle so that it doesn't drain the battery`
`04:57.25`	`\|matt\|`	`I've cracked the screen on two handsprings`
`04:57.28`	`shadows`	`yeah`
`04:57.42`	`\|matt\|`	`ohh well.`
`04:57.50`	`shadows`	`get a Palm IIIxe IMO, and mod the cradle so it doesn't bleed the battery, and also do an OS upgrade`
`04:58.02`	`shadows`	`total cost, 30 bucks, and some positive eBay feedback`
`04:58.37`	`\|matt\|`	`Nope. I'm gonna make this thing work or I'm going back to a pen and pad.`
`04:58.48`	`shadows`	`my Z doesn't leave the house unless i'm doing a wifi survey or some GPS fooby`
`04:58.54`	`shadows`	`heh`
`04:59.12`	`shadows`	`i didn't buy it 'cause i wanted a PDA, i bought it for the geek factor`
`04:59.12`	`\|matt\|`	`That IS sad. I thought that was the point?`
`04:59.22`	`\|matt\|`	`Ahhh...`
`04:59.35`	`\|matt\|`	`I was very fortunate, I was given mine.`
`04:59.38`	`shadows`	`ah`
`05:00.17`	`shadows`	`i read that the collie units have better screens than the spitz and borzoi`
`05:01.00`	`shadows`	`really i have the C3000 unit for the same reason i have an Mac Colour Classic`
`05:01.05`	`shadows`	`they run linux`
`05:01.08`	`shadows`	`and they're pure geek`
`05:01.36`	`\|matt\|`	`This thing seems to be as functional as any pda I have previously used, and then some.`
`05:01.39`	`\|matt\|`	`Very nice.`
`05:01.45`	`shadows`	`nod`
`05:01.59`	`shadows`	`i also have an wrt54gs hardware unit that runs linux, and is very functional`
`05:02.08`	`shadows`	`it runs the DNS service for my domain pimpcat.org`
`05:02.13`	`shadows`	`plus wifi and etc. etc.`
`05:02.17`	`shadows`	`i'm pleased with that`
`05:02.38`	`\|matt\|`	`But I would like a decent image viewer, and more full featured media player.`
`05:02.54`	`shadows`	`the Sharp ROM for spitz had a really nice one`
`05:03.02`	`shadows`	`i think accelerated players are available for collie`
`05:03.14`	`shadows`	`not yet for spitz so i haven't checked them out - i wouldn't be the one to ask`
`05:03.20`	`\|matt\|`	`well, seems like a good way to go for dns. Uberlow power.`
`05:05.26`	`\|matt\|`	`I may have to reinstall opie.`
`05:05.30`	`shadows`	`hmm`
`05:05.36`	`shadows`	`yeah openwrt is on that`
`05:05.47`	`shadows`	`it works fine for a home connection website server`
`05:06.19`	`\|matt\|`	`it really seems like there is little or no traffic on the OZ website, though. A little disconcerting.`
`05:07.40`	`shadows`	`oh`
`05:07.42`	`\|matt\|`	`Ohh, and do you have an aggregator of some sort Web and RSS. Like avantgo?`
`05:07.43`	`shadows`	`the developers are busy`
`05:07.49`	`\|matt\|`	`Fair enough.`
`05:07.57`	`\|matt\|`	`And that is good to hear.`
`05:07.59`	`shadows`	`i mean, when they are around on IRC`
`05:08.01`	`shadows`	`try to talk to them`
`05:08.12`	`shadows`	`10 min later they say "well, talk is enough. time to do something useful"`
`05:08.38`	`\|matt\|`	`Yea, I have been so wrapped up in my work that I have not been here at all.`
`05:08.49`	`shadows`	`i've been granted a wordpress account to write a WPA howto for the sit`
`05:08.51`	`shadows`	`site`
`05:08.57`	`shadows`	`i'm hoping to find time to finish it`
`05:09.09`	`shadows`	`too busy though lately`
`05:09.11`	`shadows`	`:)`
`05:09.17`	`\|matt\|`	`I used to haunt the HPC and beowulf channels, not to mention suse.`
`05:09.18`	`shadows`	`\|matt\|: may i ask what your company does?`
`05:09.33`	`\|matt\|`	`Animations for TV shows and industrial sims.`
`05:09.38`	`\|matt\|`	`Very small time.`
`05:09.51`	`shadows`	`oh okay`
`05:10.12`	`shadows`	`i'm not a 3d modelling artist, though i have an interest in things like blender et. al.`
`05:10.28`	`\|matt\|`	`We use blender almost exclusively.`
`05:10.44`	`\|matt\|`	`Cost can't be matched and the performance is exeptional.`
`05:11.11`	`shadows`	`really?`
`05:11.25`	`\|matt\|`	`Back to the Avantgo question, do you have a recomendation`
`05:11.27`	`shadows`	`i tried doing some tutorials. i find them overwhelming`
`05:11.33`	`shadows`	`avantgo...`
`05:12.03`	`\|matt\|`	`Ohh 3d in general is a beast. It has a steep learning curve, but can be very rewarding.`
`05:12.26`	`shadows`	`okay i'm missing what the avantgo question is`
`05:12.58`	`\|matt\|`	`Is there a program that grabs offline content while online and tucks it away for later viewing?`
`05:13.12`	`\|matt\|`	`Linux oriented of course.`
`05:14.09`	`shadows`	`oh`
`05:14.13`	`shadows`	`something like plucker?`
`05:14.28`	`shadows`	`err the answer is yes and there are very good ones`
`05:14.34`	`shadows`	`i'm not familiar with them though`
`05:14.38`	`shadows`	`it's not something i use`
`05:15.48`	`\|matt\|`	`Right, because your machine never leaves a networked environment, right?`
`05:16.54`	`shadows`	`exactly. in fact my vampire bretheren do all the web browsing for me during normal bloodletting hours`
`05:16.59`	`shadows`	`so it's really not an issue here`
`05:17.06`	`\|matt\|`	`Nice.`
`05:17.21`	`\|matt\|`	`Ahhh, and opie-reader is plucker compat!`
`05:17.24`	`\|matt\|`	`Joyus day.`
`05:17.40`	`shadows`	`the Qt based development is generally more "with it"`
`05:17.45`	`shadows`	`i despise Qt`
`05:18.19`	`shadows`	`it's something to do with my deep seeded contempt for C++ programming`
`05:18.25`	`shadows`	`which i've done enough of to know it's not for me`
`05:18.43`	`\|matt\|`	`I have a special place in my heart for GTK, but Qt does seem to be very mature.`
`05:18.49`	`shadows`	`nod`
`05:18.54`	`\|matt\|`	`In the embedded world, that is.`
`05:18.59`	`shadows`	`exactly.`
`05:19.18`	`\|matt\|`	`And I am a little disappointed with the latest gnome showings relative to KDE.`
`05:19.28`	`\|matt\|`	`Nice, but just not as polished.`
`05:20.25`	`\|matt\|`	`Now if only the Gimp would run on this thing...`
`05:20.31`	`shadows`	`oh it will`
`05:20.41`	`shadows`	`that's if you're using GPE-image though`
`05:20.52`	`\|matt\|`	`I can hear the swapping now.`
`05:20.57`	`shadows`	`hmm`
`05:21.15`	`shadows`	`i guess running gimp would be less of an issue on spitz`
`05:21.23`	`\|matt\|`	`My little microdrive will be running its little heart out.`
`05:22.55`	`\|matt\|`	`Well, I will find my way to fetching OZ and maybe compiling it.`
`05:23.07`	`\|matt\|`	`I really appreciate the time, shadows.`
`05:23.22`	`shadows`	`hey it's no bother at all. you're welcome to bug me anytime`
`05:23.31`	`\|matt\|`	`Thanks much.`
`05:23.34`	`\|matt\|`	`Gnight.`
`05:23.41`	`shadows`	`'nite`
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`05:24.08`	`shadows`	`hitchhikers are cool people generally`
`05:24.14`	`shadows`	`i'm so pleased`
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`09:29.16`	`shadows`	`i wonder, is .dev branch useable or unusable`
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`09:36.16`	`XorA`	`shadows: usable`
`09:36.39`	`shadows`	`okay`
`09:36.44`	`shadows`	`what should i put for my DISTRO= line`
`09:37.00`	`shadows`	`i'm going to want a 2.6 kernel`
`09:37.24`	`XorA`	`openzaurus-unstable`
`09:37.29`	`XorA`	`for Z machines`
`09:37.39`	`shadows`	`that requires the 2.95 compiler, apparently`
`09:37.41`	`shadows`	`doesn't it?`
`09:37.43`	`XorA`	`you on a borzoi, akita or spitz?`
`09:37.46`	`shadows`	`spitz`
`09:37.59`	`XorA`	`2.6 kernel has no need of 2.95.X compiler`
`09:38.02`	`shadows`	`oh okay`
`09:38.13`	`shadows`	`so that's just cruft when i choose 2.6 target hrm`
`09:38.15`	`XorA`	`only the old sharp kernel needs that`
`09:38.34`	`shadows`	`that's my present concern, i am on an amd64 host`
`09:38.43`	`shadows`	`the 32-bit chroot attempt failed rather magnificently`
`09:38.44`	`shadows`	`;)`
`09:39.14`	`shadows`	`would you suggest opie-image or gpe-image`
`09:40.51`	`alan\|home`	`hi gentlemen`
`09:41.09`	`shadows`	`hello alan`
`09:42.05`	`XorA`	`gpe-image works on amd64 as I in last few days fixed loads of .bb to make it work`
`09:42.21`	`alan\|home`	`shadows: gpe is great`
`09:42.56`	`shadows`	`nice`
`09:43.00`	`shadows`	`i like GPE personally`
`09:43.14`	`shadows`	`though i'm to admit that the stable opie stuff is more useable`
`09:43.28`	`alan\|home`	`too bad gpe it is not as nice as opie...`
`09:43.33`	`shadows`	`should i set an extra PREFERRED_PROVIDERS ?`
`09:44.32`	`alan\|home`	`XorA: what is the sdl provider, btw ? it's noted on my laptop which is not booted yet...`
`09:46.04`	`alan\|home`	`shadows: you will need this line so that sdl apps work under gpe`
`09:46.24`	`alan\|home`	`if you can wait for a minute, i'll boot my laptop`
`09:46.35`	`shadows`	`thanks`
`09:46.48`	`shadows`	`i wonder if this line should be added to the file in OE, commented out`
`09:46.51`	`shadows`	`it's used so often`
`09:47.44`	`alan\|home`	`too me, it should...`
`09:48.03`	`hrw\|work`	`morning`
`09:48.09`	`shadows`	`salut`
`09:48.09`	`alan\|home`	`dam, i should install software suspend to my laptop...`
`09:48.18`	`alan\|home`	`hey hrw\|work`
`09:50.23`	`shadows`	`i may learn how to write an GPE modification for WPA to work`
`09:50.42`	`shadows`	`it should not be so difficult`
`09:51.58`	`alan\|home`	`shadows: to local.conf, add a line : PREFERED_PROVIDER_virtual/libsdl = "libsdl_x11"`
`09:52.03`	`shadows`	`okay`
`09:52.10`	`shadows`	`where, do you think? near the top`
`09:52.14`	`XorA`	`PREFERRED_PROVIDER_virtual/libsdl = "libsdl-x11"`
`09:52.17`	`shadows`	`or at the bottom of the list`
`09:52.22`	`alan\|home`	`i think it doesn't matter`
`09:52.53`	`alan\|home`	`i wrote it right after the list`
`09:53.23`	`shadows`	`and not...`
`09:53.52`	`shadows`	`PREFERRED_PROVIDERS += " virtual/libsdl:libsdl-x11" ?`
`09:54.36`	`shadows`	`i.e. there is a line which sets virtual/libsdl:libsdl-qpe`
`09:54.47`	`shadows`	`shouldn't i be replacing that line`
`09:56.24`	`alan\|home`	`mmm... i didn't commment this line out...`
`09:56.37`	`DataBeaver`	`What's busybox's startup script?`
`09:59.21`	`shadows`	`okay`
`09:59.26`	`shadows`	`here goes nothin'... ;)`
`09:59.46`	`shadows`	`'nite all`
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`11:01.09`	`pwgen`	`hello`
`11:01.28`	`webmind`	`that's what they all say ;)`
`11:01.31`	`webmind`	`goodmorning`
`11:05.47`	`pwgen`	`G lunchtime ...`
`11:06.24`	`pwgen`	`is annyone here who can commit changes to the 2.6.15-r1 kernel for openzaurus ?`
`11:06.34`	`pwgen`	`i have 2 whishes ..`
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`11:07.15`	`hrw\|work`	`pwgen`: which are?
`11:07.44`	`pwgen`	`1. enable the tun module so i can get vpnc and other 2 work .`
`11:08.17`	`pwgen`	`2. enable snd-hwdep module so i the snd-bt_sco module can get loaded ..`
`11:08.48`	`hrw\|work`	`could you prepare diffs for defconfigs and add it into OE bugtracker? we will take care of it`
`11:08.59`	`pwgen`	`( by the way sound work on c1000 with 2.6.15-r1 kernel !!! very nice )`
`11:09.48`	`pwgen`	`ok i make a diff and put it on bugtracker ..`
`11:09.55`	`hrw\|work`	`thx`
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`11:30.00`	`pwgen`	`hrw: http://bugs.openembedded.org seems down`
`11:33.13`	`hrw\|work`	`I see..`
`11:33.25`	`hrw\|work`	`send it to irc-oe@hrw.one.pl`
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`13:30.03`	`shadows`	`:(`
`13:30.15`	`hrw\|work`	`shadows: ?`
`13:30.15`	`shadows`	`" FATAL: This kernel is too big for your PXA Zau..."`
`13:30.31`	`hrw\|work`	`move something to modules`
`13:30.46`	`shadows`	`oh okay, what's the size i'm supposed to keep it under`
`13:30.54`	`shadows`	`right now it's Size is 1327200`
`13:31.09`	`hrw\|work`	`1.2M iirc`
`13:32.32`	`shadows`	`1258291?`
`13:33.28`	`hrw\|work`	`<PROTECTED>`
`13:33.31`	`shadows`	`i'm not exactly sure how i would go about move something to modules`
`13:33.34`	`shadows`	`oh`
`13:33.54`	`hrw\|work`	`default defconfig fits`
`13:34.05`	`shadows`	`that's what i'm using`
`13:34.14`	`shadows`	`my compiler is gcc (GCC) 4.0.3 20051201 (prerelease) (Debian 4.0.2-5)`
`13:34.46`	`shadows`	`know of a way i could tell it to compile with -Os ?`
`13:35.12`	`hrw\|work`	`that gcc is arm one?`
`13:35.20`	`shadows`	`hmm`
`13:35.31`	`shadows`	`no that's the host gcc`
`13:35.48`	`shadows`	`i'm not exactly sure which gcc is used to compile the oe sources`
`13:36.05`	`shadows`	`this is the .dev branch i'm compiling`
`13:36.08`	`shadows`	`and a 2.6 kernel`
`13:36.46`	`hrw\|work`	`we use gcc-cross which OE builds`
`13:37.20`	`shadows`	`if that's true, then shouldn't this be working?`
`13:39.12`	`shadows`	`note, i am on amd64 host, maybe that is having some impact`
`13:49.40`	`shadows`	`hm. i must go to work`
`13:52.23`	`simcop2387`	`shadows: w00t another amd64 user of zaurus's`
`13:55.35`	`XorA`	`shadows: I am on amd64 and my kernel fits`
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`14:33.54`	`\|matt\|`	`Hello all, I have flashed and flashed on my collie, and I continually run out of memory while upgrading. Which zImage should I be using to minimize this (I have no SD cards)`
`14:34.04`	`\|matt\|`	`I do have 1GB cf card`
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`16:28.01`	`NoFonE`	`CoreDump are you there ?`
`16:28.59`	`hrw\|work`	`NoFonE: where are you from? (city of Poland)`
`16:30.14`	`NoFonE`	`one quick question ,,, i've downloaded installed the oz image you have pointed for me ,,`
`16:30.28`	`NoFonE`	`Nowy Sacz , near Cracow`
`16:31.16`	`NoFonE`	`how should i boot from that image`
`16:31.18`	`NoFonE`	`cardfs-opie-collie-openzaurus_oz3.5.3-opie1.2.0-r1.bin`
`16:31.21`	`NoFonE`	`can i boot from it ,,.`
`16:31.34`	`NoFonE`	`?`
`16:31.46`	`hrw\|work`	`Nowy S�cz.. tam jeszcze nie by�em ;)`
`16:31.54`	`hrw\|work`	`NoFonE: rename it to initrd.bin and flash`
`16:31.59`	`NoFonE`	`hehe`
`16:32.12`	`NoFonE`	`nope it'w wont work`
`16:32.22`	`NoFonE`	`image is to big is like 21megabytes`
`16:32.28`	`NoFonE`	`zaurus 5500 flash rom 16`
`16:33.11`	`NoFonE`	`CoreDump - can you assist me ?`
`16:33.44`	`CoreDump\|home`	`yep, you didn't read the documentation`
`16:33.50`	`NoFonE`	`jupp`
`16:33.51`	`NoFonE`	`:)`
`16:33.59`	`NoFonE`	`how did you know :)`
`16:34.14`	`CoreDump\|home`	`cause you tried flashing the wrong file`
`16:34.26`	`NoFonE`	`no i didn't tried`
`16:34.33`	`NoFonE`	`i knew that this image was to large`
`16:34.38`	`NoFonE`	`i've loaded the proper image`
`16:34.53`	`NoFonE`	`and now i loded that cardfs image into the sd formated ext2 card`
`16:35.05`	`NoFonE`	`cardfs-opie-collie-openzaurus_oz3.5.3-opie1.2.0-r1.bin`
`16:35.08`	`NoFonE`	`this guy ,,`
`16:35.38`	`NoFonE`	`without sd card zaurus boots up normally but witout any aplication,, as i guess everybody know`
`16:36.02`	`CoreDump\|home`	`yep`
`16:36.28`	`NoFonE`	`and it want to create that image`
`16:36.31`	`hrw\|work`	`heh.. why Zauruses are so expensive.. if someone with Z comes from Poland then its 90% chance that he has collie...`
`16:36.37`	`NoFonE`	`if i would have clean pure ext formated sd card`
`16:36.53`	`CoreDump\|home`	`right`
`16:37.30`	`NoFonE`	`so what the deal with that cardfs image ?`
`16:37.39`	`NoFonE`	`should i put somewehre`
`16:37.44`	`NoFonE`	`and than boot straight from sD ?`
`16:37.51`	`CoreDump\|home`	`as cardfs installs applications to your SD card, older stuff must be removed first`
`16:38.10`	`CoreDump\|home`	`NoFonE: it's all in the documentation, really.`
`16:38.13`	`NoFonE`	`ok but first of all it want' to delete it all :)`
`16:38.23`	`CoreDump\|home`	`then do so`
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`16:39.10`	`NoFonE`	`ok`
`16:39.43`	`NoFonE`	`does anybody have zaurus 6000 here`
`16:39.43`	`NoFonE`	`?`
`16:41.27`	`NoFonE`	`hrw - what you would prefer more than zaurus ?`
`16:41.46`	`hrw\|work`	`NoFonE: I have 5500 and c760`
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`16:42.14`	`hrw\|work`	`but would like to have 6000 or other portrait linuxpda`
`16:42.57`	`NoFonE`	`is the 5600 in someparts a bit better than 5500 ?`
`16:43.04`	`NoFonE`	`i know that the main difference is CPU`
`16:43.07`	`NoFonE`	`???`
`16:43.14`	`hrw\|work`	`5600? avoid`
`16:43.23`	`hrw\|work`	`32M of ram only`
`16:43.27`	`CoreDump\|home`	`avoid at any cost heh`
`16:43.59`	`hrw\|work`	`I can take one if someone has but unofficially ;)`
`16:44.20`	`NoFonE`	`oh,,, CoreDump - zaurus is installing an image,,`
`16:44.32`	`NoFonE`	`it is takeing him a while to do it ,,`
`16:44.41`	`CoreDump\|home`	`that's normal`
`16:45.03`	`hrw\|work`	`I have to get tosa into hands one day to look why people likes them`
`16:45.37`	`NoFonE`	`have anybody installed newton ? on the Z`
`16:45.38`	`NoFonE`	`?`
`16:45.46`	`NoFonE`	`is is worth something ?`
`16:45.59`	`CoreDump\|home`	`~tosa`
`16:46.03`	`ibot`	`extra, extra, read all about it, tosa is the Sharp SL-6000 PDA, or a dog (see http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/tosa.htm)`
`16:53.22`	`NoFonE`	`CoreDump: ok what's next`
`16:53.24`	`NoFonE`	`:) ?`
`16:53.31`	`CoreDump\|home`	`?`
`16:53.47`	`NoFonE`	`now should i try to boot straight from SD ?`
`16:53.57`	`CoreDump\|home`	`well no`
`16:54.05`	`CoreDump\|home`	`you still didn't read the docs`
`16:55.30`	`NoFonE`	`well`
`16:55.36`	`NoFonE`	`ok it has now booted up`
`16:55.39`	`NoFonE`	`with all the aplications`
`16:55.40`	`NoFonE`	`:)`
`16:57.09`	`CoreDump\|home`	`great`
`16:57.24`	`raduga`	`looks like OESF is down again`
`16:57.27`	`raduga`	`boop`
`16:58.11`	`raduga`	`coredump: by the way, the "surprise" when booting hentges is... a little disorienting`
`16:58.24`	`CoreDump\|home`	`heh`
`16:59.00`	`raduga`	`And it means I probably won't be running that rom, when I'm sitting at an important meeting, and trying to look like I'm paying attention`
`16:59.05`	`hrw\|work`	`cu`
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`17:04.41`	`CoreDump\|home`	`it's not like you can't turn it off.`
`17:04.54`	`CoreDump\|home`	`rm /etc/altboot.rc/$file`
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`17:34.41`	`NoFonE`	`btw does anybody know`
`17:34.46`	`NoFonE`	`why my wifi compact card`
`17:34.52`	`NoFonE`	`d-link 660w`
`17:35.19`	`NoFonE`	`blinks A link diode all the time even if it has a stable link`
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`17:36.00`	`NoFonE`	`CoreDum is there somekind a problem`
`17:36.22`	`NoFonE`	`of d-link df-660w working under 3.5.3 zaurus image`
`17:37.01`	`raduga`	`if the link light is blinking all the time, how do you know it has a stable link?`
`17:38.09`	`wibbit`	`raduga, I'd hazard a guess, that he's able to browse around fairly easily`
`17:38.17`	`wibbit`	`not that this means it's stable of course`
`17:44.53`	`NoFonE`	`couse i'am pinging the gateway`
`17:45.05`	`NoFonE`	`and there seems to bo no problem what so ever with communication`
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`19:11.34`	`DataBeaver`	`What's busybox's startup script?`
`19:13.14`	`CoreDump\|home`	`?`
`19:35.01`	`DataBeaver`	`Like .bashrc for bash`
`19:35.22`	`CoreDump\|home`	`ahh that. /etc/profile`
`19:35.32`	`DataBeaver`	`I edited the .profile in my homedir to get /usr/games to path, but as a result root also has the same path`
`19:36.05`	`CoreDump\|home`	`hmm that shouldn't happen`
`19:37.01`	`DataBeaver`	`Yeah, but it's happening nevertheless :P`
`19:38.24`	`CoreDump\|home`	`are you using the root-xterm in GPE to check that?`
`19:40.24`	`DataBeaver`	`gpe-su yeah`
`19:40.34`	`CoreDump\|home`	`try the VT then`
`19:40.37`	`DataBeaver`	`Side question: What's the endianness of a Zaurus?`
`19:41.10`	`DataBeaver`	`I get the correct path when I login in console`
`19:42.10`	`CoreDump\|home`	`thought so`
`19:42.27`	`CoreDump\|home`	`had some problems in that direction as well`
`19:42.53`	`CoreDump\|home`	`looks like "su" doesn't trash the ENV and load the new one`
`19:43.36`	`DataBeaver`	`Yeah`
`19:46.31`	`DataBeaver`	`And root's .profile has the correct path too...`
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`20:18.15`	`prh`	`are you "su" or "su -i" ing?`
`20:21.25`	`DataBeaver`	`Haven't tried su -i...`
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`20:21.43`	`DataBeaver`	`That prints the usage message`
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`23:50.46`	`\|matt\|`	`Hello all. I have just gotten a collie, and I am trying to install the upgrades. Each time I do this it looks like I am running out of space on the root device.`
`23:51.26`	`\|matt\|`	`I removed the dev section for the root device and now it says nothing needs to be done.`
`23:52.11`	`\|matt\|`	`How do I dictate where to install new files (cf card) and where not to?`

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