| 00:26.54 | shadows | |matt|: this is covered by the documentation |
| 00:26.59 | shadows | *if* you can find the documentation |
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| 00:29.02 | jebba | hmm, what format is opie-image-borzoi-20060121032509.rootfs.img in? cuz I can't `mout -o loop -t jffs2` it. |
| 00:30.26 | shadows | it's in an Sharp image format, i thin |
| 00:30.28 | shadows | i think |
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| 00:31.11 | shadows | XorA|gone: what is your local.conf? my kernel is built too big from .dev branch |
| 00:32.47 | jebba | shadows, so, also, if i `dd if=/dev/mtdblock0 of=/home/jebba/zaurus.rom` I can't mount the zaurus.rom` file ? |
| 00:33.07 | andrewy | you have to format the zaurus.rom with a fs first |
| 00:34.29 | jebba | ok. Hmm, i'm just trying to wrap my head around how this thing's boot process works... I'll keep kicking it. ;) |
| 00:35.19 | andrewy | totally misread that, thought it was if=/dev/zero or something |
| 00:35.37 | andrewy | are you sure mtdblock0 is what you want? |
| 00:38.50 | shadows | jebba: i have spitz hardware |
| 00:38.58 | shadows | the boot process works with magic and fairy dust |
| 00:39.08 | shadows | beyond magic and fairy dust, i have no idea |
| 00:39.39 | |matt| | Hey there shadows, I have looked and looked. If its there, I simply havn't found it. |
| 00:41.03 | jebba | andrewy, well, it's just a chunk of data i'd like too look at if possible. ;) I have borzoi, fwiw. |
| 00:42.14 | jebba | Like i have a file "/boot/zImage" which is a symlink to "/boot/zImage-2.4.20-rmk2-embedix". But their ain't no zImage-2.4.20-rmk2-embedix file there. Sooo, i'm just curious where the sucker is hiding. ;) |
| 00:42.33 | andrewy | ah, no idea |
| 00:42.46 | jebba | |matt|, I think there are docs related to it on the "how to run opie & gpe at the same time. google rboot perhaps. |
| 00:42.51 | |matt| | shadows: As it sits, I managed to get the latest kernel in there (I have chosen to go the route of 3.5.3 for the moment) but if I perform an upgrade, whammo out of memory. |
| 00:43.17 | andrewy | yeah, you'll run out of memory without a SD/CF or something |
| 00:43.26 | andrewy | by memory i mean disk space :P |
| 00:45.32 | |matt| | So you _must_ move the root fs to effectively use OZ? |
| 00:46.27 | andrewy | i had to with my 5500 |
| 00:46.45 | |matt| | ok. That is a tiny bit irritating. |
| 00:46.52 | andrewy | I could install a few things by moving /opt to /media/ram, symlinking it, and then installing things to ram instead of root |
| 00:47.04 | andrewy | but then it mysteriously stopped working after I installed too much, happened several times |
| 00:48.27 | |matt| | Ok, I have installed 32/32 . Is it possible for me to, without choking the system, update all of the currently installed packges? |
| 00:51.03 | |matt| | I have only seen moving the root fs to a ext2 formated sd card. Is it possible to do this from a vfat microdrive? |
| 00:51.20 | |matt| | Here I sit, doubting... |
| 01:02.11 | |matt| | What is the purpose of using a kernel other than 64/0 if you will need to use a card for root anyway? |
| 01:06.04 | shadows | the future idea is to do the whole rootfs on sd card |
| 01:06.10 | shadows | and do away with the other images |
| 01:06.27 | shadows | SD cards are cheap enough that it makes sense |
| 01:09.23 | |matt| | Fair enough, but, if I can't really use /mnt/ram, then why is it there? |
| 01:13.05 | shadows | is it mounted? |
| 01:13.18 | shadows | do cat /proc/mounts |
| 01:15.58 | andrewy | |matt|: it's only there if you're not using a 64/0 kernel |
| 01:19.55 | |matt| | Yes, it is mounted. |
| 01:20.41 | |matt| | <andrewy>I understand that, but wouldn't it be more useful if it was simply part of the rootfs? |
| 01:21.40 | |matt| | Right now, I am out of space on my rootfs, but I have 32MB of space that is nearly unused. |
| 01:22.21 | |matt| | And from what I can see, it is only used by an inode tree and some directories... |
| 01:30.19 | andrewy | yes matt, but there's probably a technical reason why it can't be |
| 01:30.25 | andrewy | you can install to ram |
| 01:30.32 | andrewy | ipkg -d ram install package |
| 01:32.05 | |matt| | Ahh but the upgrade is failing because the packages have grown too much (for the available space) |
| 01:32.09 | |matt| | I get it. |
| 01:32.18 | |matt| | I'm gonna get an SD card. |
| 01:32.39 | |matt| | And then shoot myself with a freaking voracious wombat. |
| 01:33.10 | andrewy | heh |
| 01:33.17 | andrewy | you can move stuff to /media/ram and create symlinks |
| 01:33.29 | andrewy | but it's worth buying a SD card |
| 01:33.46 | andrewy | just make sure you get a fast enough one |
| 01:35.56 | |matt| | Any recomendations? |
| 01:35.58 | |matt| | That I can obtain this evening (everything closes in 30min here) |
| 01:37.57 | |matt| | Additionally, I already have a 1GB microdrive. What would be a good size? Do I really need 1GB or will 512MB do for now? |
| 01:39.29 | andrewy | I have a 256mb one, works fine but it's a bit slow (10x) |
| 01:39.38 | andrewy | get a SD card if you plan on using a wifi CF card |
| 01:42.06 | |matt| | It would be nice, but I really don't need it. |
| 01:42.13 | |matt| | Wifi that is. |
| 01:43.12 | andrewy | get something that's at least 10x, that's a bit slow but useable |
| 01:43.30 | |matt| | I will do that. |
| 01:43.47 | |matt| | Wally world has a 512 for $40. |
| 01:43.54 | |matt| | I'll have to look at that. |
| 01:44.11 | |matt| | But I suspect I will end up with whatever bestbuy has to offer. |
| 01:44.18 | |matt| | I just want this thing running. |
| 01:44.25 | |matt| | I'm tired of fooling with it. |
| 01:44.46 | |matt| | its neat, and I like it, but I want to actually use it. |
| 01:44.51 | andrewy | i got the pny 256mb one from bestbuy, make sure you look up their speeds elsewhere because bestbuy doesn't list them and most I checked were slow |
| 01:45.14 | |matt| | Thanks. Will do. |
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| 01:56.22 | *** topic/#openzaurus is OpenZaurus user discussion/support channel | developer discussion in #oe | http://openzaurus.org/ | Don't ask to ask, just ask. | OZ 3.5.3 -> http://openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.3/ | Report OZ bugs at http://bugs.openembedded.org/ l/p: guest/guest |
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| 02:33.49 | shadows | simcop2387: :) |
| 02:34.00 | shadows | simcop2387: no luck compiling the kernel though, the resultant image is too large |
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| 02:53.58 | |matt| | SD CARD!!!! HAHARRRR!!! |
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| 05:41.07 | jebba | are any of the original Zaurus files in /dev/mtdblock2 & /dev/mtdblock3 needed for booting or can they be blown away? |
| 05:54.16 | jebba | nevermind. I didn't brick it. /me impatient ;) |
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| 07:23.32 | alan|home | morning |
| 07:25.10 | kellyh | anyone able to help get a Socket CF+ LP wlan card working with OZ 3.5.3/opie (henteges rom)? specifically i'm trying to get it to work with WPA |
| 07:31.40 | alan|home | kellyh: i've heard having wifi and cf storage working at the same time was really difficult, maybe impossible, yet. WPA is another problem. Anyway, i don't think what you want can be done with 3.5.3. wpa should work on 3.5.4, if i remember correctly. Maybe combo CF/Wifi cards will too, but i wouldn't bet on that... |
| 07:32.11 | kellyh | well cf wifi on its own would be fine if i can get WPA working |
| 07:32.41 | kellyh | (the socket CF LP card is just wifi, no storage) |
| 07:33.02 | alan|home | ok, so this should work. |
| 07:33.13 | kellyh | i know the card works |
| 07:33.26 | kellyh | as i disabled encryption to test it and it set up and worked flawlessly |
| 07:33.35 | kellyh | so it is really it seems a matter of getting it to work with WPA |
| 07:33.43 | alan|home | about WPA, i don't know how it works, i've never been able to configure it on my desktop, so i didn't even try on zaurus... |
| 07:33.57 | alan|home | but |
| 07:34.11 | kellyh | i got WPA working on the 3 laptops here, just the zaurus left to get working with it |
| 07:34.30 | kellyh | (Linux drivers for rt2500 cards work out of the box with WPA i found) |
| 07:34.30 | alan|home | i really think this WPA is one of the great improvement of 3.5.4... |
| 07:34.43 | kellyh | it is still in RC isn't it? |
| 07:34.49 | alan|home | yep |
| 07:35.04 | kellyh | I think I'll wait till the final release for now |
| 07:35.17 | kellyh | as all else works... tho i've not worked out how to configure bluetooth yet |
| 07:36.35 | kellyh | i think i'll tackle the wifi first |
| 07:36.46 | kellyh | it may be i have to switch to WEP for a while |
| 07:40.36 | alan|home | wep works fine, even though it's not top security level... |
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| 07:51.00 | kellyh | i think the problem seems to be working out how/where to tell the driver to use WPA |
| 07:51.11 | kellyh | as I've got wpa_supplicant set up/configured |
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| 08:43.06 | prh | the opie bluetooth app seems broken to me |
| 08:57.09 | hrw|work | morning |
| 08:58.02 | jebba | hey hrw|work :) /me building .dev w/ 2.6 |
| 08:59.51 | hrw|work | kellyh: which Zaurus you have? |
| 09:08.44 | prh | morning |
| 09:23.11 | kellyh | hrw|work: SL-5500 |
| 09:24.35 | hrw|work | kellyh: you need fresh kernel (not released yet) to get WPA working rather |
| 09:24.46 | hrw|work | kellyh: which OZ you run? |
| 09:24.55 | kellyh | hrw|work: henteges 3.5.3 |
| 09:25.11 | hrw|work | kellyh: with so called 'r21' kernel? |
| 09:25.17 | kellyh | think so yeh |
| 09:30.11 | kellyh | so WPA needs later than r21 kernel for the 5500? |
| 09:32.35 | hrw|work | someone told that got it working with r21 but I'm not sure.. |
| 09:33.12 | hrw|work | I can provide you 64/0 kernel with WE18 so wpa should work |
| 09:34.13 | kellyh | and i'd just install that in place of the current henteges one? ie a reflash? |
| 09:34.36 | hrw|work | yep - should work |
| 09:34.44 | hrw|work | but also can not work |
| 09:35.09 | kellyh | well it can't hurt too much to try |
| 09:36.15 | hrw|work | http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/hrw/test/zImage-collie-64-0-20060123150446.bin |
| 09:36.55 | kellyh | i'll give that a try later on when i'm more awake |
| 09:37.45 | kellyh | if that works, should the config simply be a case of putting correct details into wpa_supplicant.conf or is there other places i need to config? |
| 09:38.54 | hrw|work | probably - never used WPA |
| 09:39.24 | kellyh | i'll try it this evening when i've time (got lots ot sort out today) and will let you know if it works |
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| 09:40.37 | hrw|work | ok |
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| 11:30.44 | prh | yep |
| 11:30.48 | prh | but not for long |
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| 13:01.52 | XorA | hrw|work: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=84700&package_id=89890&release_id=380166 seen that? |
| 13:02.43 | hrw|work | no |
| 13:03.30 | hrw|work | will fetch |
| 13:04.27 | XorA | picked the new release up on pdaXrom forum |
| 13:21.06 | hrw|work | XorA: qpdf2 is even more shitty now |
| 13:22.28 | XorA | hrw|work: yuck then |
| 13:24.43 | hrw|work | XorA: can you give url to thread? |
| 13:25.36 | XorA | hrw|work: they havent compiled it, it was just someone saying they should |
| 13:26.01 | hrw|work | http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=9343&st=40&#entry112164 one? |
| 13:26.11 | XorA | http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=9343&st=45 |
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| 13:26.19 | XorA | hrw|work: yes |
| 13:26.36 | hrw|work | will reply |
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| 13:49.29 | YoshiZ | hello. |
| 13:52.02 | webmind | hi |
| 13:52.43 | YoshiZ | I've got some trouble building several packages out of the pdx.freedesktop.org repository. Whilst updating I get messages like "cvs update: move away `./render.h'; it is in the way" - One can't build without sources.. |
| 13:53.17 | YoshiZ | Is this a known problem? Usually my cvs client works fine.. |
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| 13:54.28 | YoshiZ | welcome hrw |
| 13:55.10 | hrw|work | hi YoshiZ |
| 14:04.40 | YoshiZ | call me blind, but where are the fs tools hidden? mk2fs etc... |
| 14:04.53 | hrw|work | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:04.59 | hrw|work | if installed |
| 14:05.37 | YoshiZ | I don't think I installed them.. do you know the name of the corresponding package? |
| 14:06.20 | YoshiZ | ah, got em. I'm just blind. |
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| 14:12.07 | hrw|work | ok |
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| 15:09.57 | webmind | win 38 |
| 15:09.59 | webmind | whopos |
| 15:10.02 | webmind | s/p// |
| 15:10.11 | webmind | er |
| 15:10.11 | webmind | no |
| 15:10.12 | webmind | whoops |
| 15:10.26 | webmind | nice bot though :) |
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