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| 05:56.41 | earthwalker | has anybody got zaurss working on OZ 3.5.3? I have done the makecompat on the /bin/zaurss and tried runcompat from the comand line. It did not work. I get "QSocket::writeBlock: Socket is not open" and "No Qt/Embedded server appears to be running" |
| 06:13.44 | shadows | not sure |
| 06:13.56 | shadows | these days i'm using a spitz (C3000) hardware and the development stuf |
| 06:13.59 | shadows | f$ |
| 06:19.01 | earthwalker | shadows: How do you like the spitz? Is it much different from the collie? |
| 06:19.18 | shadows | i've not owned or held a collie hardware machine |
| 06:19.28 | shadows | it is an expensive paperweight to me |
| 06:19.34 | shadows | i don't really use it for anything special |
| 06:20.08 | earthwalker | Seems like an extra expensive paperweight!! |
| 06:20.11 | shadows | yes |
| 06:20.21 | shadows | i bought it used, from an eBay auction seller |
| 06:20.36 | shadows | he was in a need to sell the Z plus some kit, so i got a fair deal |
| 06:20.47 | shadows | $500usd for the C3000 and a load of extra hardware |
| 06:21.58 | earthwalker | Well my Z really helps keep everything together for me. I use it for everything! |
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| 06:22.03 | shadows | ah |
| 06:22.12 | shadows | for PDA functions i still use my Palm IIIxe |
| 06:22.41 | shadows | the Palm unit is subject to abuses i would not want the Z situated with |
| 06:22.50 | earthwalker | I what to learn more about programing now so that I can use it to keep track of my workouts and stuff like that. |
| 06:22.57 | shadows | ah |
| 06:23.15 | shadows | Ruby + (Gtk+ bindings) would be a nice way to do it |
| 06:23.38 | shadows | Ruby is an excellent language for a wide range of programming tasks |
| 06:23.46 | earthwalker | Would Ruby allow me to use the sql lite? |
| 06:24.14 | shadows | i'm not the person to ask about that, there is an #ruby-lang channel on freenode IRC (this same network) |
| 06:24.39 | shadows | in 10 years of computer use, and light programming tasks, i am very excited by Ruby |
| 06:24.48 | shadows | the other languages seem dull and non-human |
| 06:24.58 | earthwalker | Cool. I just pulled up the ruby-lang.org site. |
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| 08:20.53 | prh | CoreDump|afk: ping! |
| 08:20.59 | prh | (this could go on for days :O) |
| 08:38.25 | alan|home | hi folks |
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| 08:42.19 | angom_h | shadow!! r u here?? |
| 08:43.06 | angom_h | i got good news for the problems on the sl5500 we were talking the other day |
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| 10:32.35 | johnX | Dazgard: What wireless card do you have? and have you gotten it to work in any other distro? |
| 10:34.08 | Dazgard | netgear MA701 |
| 10:35.06 | johnX | did you ever have it working in something that wasn't OZ? like the Sharp ROM? |
| 10:35.12 | Dazgard | yes, it is supported |
| 10:35.21 | Dazgard | and working |
| 10:35.43 | XorA | think thats an orinoco, you need to install the modules from feed |
| 10:36.15 | Dazgard | ok i will try orinoco |
| 10:37.01 | johnX | yeah, that is what I'm seeing from a quick google search: http://tuxmobil.org/pcmcia_ci10484.html |
| 10:37.23 | XorA | hmm, hostap also says it supports it, maybe there are different versions |
| 10:38.12 | johnX | well hostap supports a lot of things that other drivers also support I think... |
| 10:38.31 | XorA | johnX: but if hostap supports it, then OZ should see it on plugin |
| 10:38.47 | johnX | unless something isn't working for some reason |
| 10:38.50 | XorA | johnX: reason I suspected orinoco as those drivers were accidently missed on some 3.5.3 images |
| 10:38.57 | johnX | ah |
| 10:39.20 | XorA | namely poodle image if memeory serves right |
| 10:39.43 | johnX | that would seem to fit with the problem :) |
| 10:40.00 | Dazgard | yeah, oz does not see the card |
| 10:40.08 | Dazgard | is it unknown |
| 10:41.06 | johnX | the reason I asked if you had it working on something else is I had an SMC something or other that worked perfectly until one day it started coming up as "unknown" |
| 10:41.26 | johnX | the card was literally falling apart at that point though |
| 10:43.13 | Dazgard | ok, i'll investigate further |
| 10:43.27 | johnX | did you try the orinoco drivers? |
| 10:44.09 | johnX | also if you manually modprobe hostap_cs does it get detected? |
| 10:44.19 | Dazgard | nope |
| 10:44.34 | Dazgard | or yes, but it is a unkonwn device |
| 10:44.55 | XorA | I suppose should check, /etc/pcmcia/hostap.conf for an MA701 entry |
| 10:45.13 | XorA | card "NETGEAR MA701 Wireless CF Card" |
| 10:45.13 | XorA | manfid 0xd601, 0x0002 |
| 10:45.13 | XorA | bind "hostap_cs" |
| 10:45.16 | XorA | is mine |
| 10:46.19 | Dazgard | ok |
| 10:46.31 | Dazgard | thanks for the advice |
| 10:46.42 | johnX | nothing interesting in dmesg when you modprobe hostap_cs? |
| 10:47.14 | Dazgard | nope |
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| 11:06.52 | CoreDump|afk | prh: indeed =) |
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| 11:07.17 | prh | ahh |
| 11:07.40 | prh | ok I want to know what needs doing to altboot to get it working on 750 - but also where to get it from! |
| 11:08.34 | CoreDump|afk | ah |
| 11:08.38 | CoreDump|afk | which kernel? |
| 11:11.06 | CoreDump|afk | the kernel is kinda important to answer that question |
| 11:12.56 | prh | ahh - it's 2.6 - hrw's latest test image |
| 11:13.15 | prh | (which still has broken keymap (shift to get @ :O) |
| 11:13.21 | prh | must bug |
| 11:13.29 | CoreDump|afk | ok, and you are using a standard kernel to boot off flash right? |
| 11:14.32 | prh | yep |
| 11:15.57 | alan|home | hi XorA CoreDump|afk prh |
| 11:16.03 | CoreDump|afk | hello alan |
| 11:16.16 | alan|home | anyone know what's new in the test image 2 ? |
| 11:16.30 | XorA | hey alan|home |
| 11:16.38 | prh | seems like 2.6 on at least 750 |
| 11:16.50 | CoreDump|afk | prh: here's the deal: 2.6 support is still pretty young and the only things working right now are standard boot, SD boot and NFS boot. |
| 11:17.18 | prh | sd boot is good :O) |
| 11:17.19 | CoreDump|afk | if that doesn't put you off, I'll build you an .ipk for your arch |
| 11:17.21 | alan|home | prh: this was already 2.6 on previous image for 750 |
| 11:17.30 | prh | oh. |
| 11:17.34 | prh | then I don't know |
| 11:17.47 | prh | CoreDump|afk: yes please do. |
| 11:17.56 | alan|home | i guess minor bug corrections... |
| 11:21.00 | CoreDump|afk | prh: http://hentges.net/tmp/altboot/ |
| 11:22.07 | CoreDump|afk | once you have sent the first patch, (and verify basic functionality) I'll add the c7x0 arch to OE and you can get snapshots from http://oz.hentges.net/openembedded/altboot/daily-snapshot/ |
| 11:25.15 | prh | ok |
| 11:27.01 | CoreDump|afk | check /etc/altboot-menu for the various bootoptions, editing /sbin/init should _not_ be required. Also check /etc/altboot-$KERNEL_VERSION.cfg |
| 11:27.41 | CoreDump|afk | alan|home: while OZ matures and becomes better and better every release, the difference gets smaller, but it's still there =) |
| 11:27.52 | alan|home | hehe |
| 11:28.10 | CoreDump|afk | Hentges ships some extra tools and a pre-configured Opie environment |
| 11:28.22 | alan|home | extra tools such as ? |
| 11:28.59 | CoreDump|afk | http://hentges.net/tmp/screenshots/Zaurus/Akita/Opie-1.2.x/ |
| 11:29.17 | CoreDump|afk | ^^ base install for all supported devices ^^ |
| 11:29.37 | CoreDump|afk | even collie gets the exact same apps |
| 11:30.39 | CoreDump|afk | collie users profit the most as the image comes with support for /home/root on SD, installs ipk's to CD or CF during first boot and more. |
| 11:32.06 | alan|home | indeed, it looks like a good image... too bad i don't do opie anymore ^^ |
| 11:33.36 | CoreDump|afk | didn't you get the memo? Opie is dead :\ |
| 11:34.11 | NA|Zzz | Opie is dead? |
| 11:34.29 | NA|Zzz | Dammit, I knew I had a zombie process.. |
| 11:34.30 | CoreDump|afk | dead as in: Basically no develepment is done |
| 11:34.50 | alan|home | really ? |
| 11:35.00 | alan|home | i thought you were joking... :/ |
| 11:35.19 | CoreDump|afk | there are talks about opie2, a complete rewrite |
| 11:35.43 | XorA | I wanted to run opie on internal flash and gpe on SD, but that would mess me up as opie is messy on disk |
| 11:36.00 | CoreDump|afk | XorA: that should work fine |
| 11:36.14 | CoreDump|afk | I have GPE on flash and NFS boot Opie |
| 11:36.41 | NA|Zzz | CoreDump|afk: Well, that explains the whole half-arsed feel of the WM under opie |
| 11:36.49 | alan|home | hehe... i tried gpe and opie both on the internal memory... |
| 11:36.55 | NA|Zzz | CoreDump|afk: What's a better option.. gpe? |
| 11:36.55 | alan|home | un-u-sa-ble |
| 11:37.09 | XorA | CoreDump|afk: but it messes up me /home/root, and I like a tidy disk |
| 11:37.13 | CoreDump|afk | alan|home: agreed |
| 11:37.15 | alan|home | NA|Zzz: depends on what you use your Z for |
| 11:37.34 | alan|home | as a pda : opie, as a laptop : gpe |
| 11:37.35 | CoreDump|afk | XorA: umm, Opie shouldn't do anything to /home root AFAIK |
| 11:37.36 | NA|Zzz | alan|home: Mainly PDA-type stuff, probably a bit of dev work if I could get gcc and apache to compile |
| 11:37.53 | alan|home | NA|Zzz: you want opie, then |
| 11:38.09 | CoreDump|afk | NA|Zzz: In my book, Opies WM is way more userfriendly than GPE's matchbox =) |
| 11:38.11 | alan|home | and you will soon want opie2, i'd say... |
| 11:38.22 | alan|home | CoreDump|afk++ |
| 11:38.50 | alan|home | matchbow is awfull |
| 11:38.59 | NA|Zzz | alan|home, CoreDump|afk: Ah, will stick with opie then =) |
| 11:39.06 | CoreDump|afk | indeed. Window switching is a pain w/ GPE |
| 11:39.18 | XorA | CoreDump|afk: whats wrong with alt-tab? |
| 11:39.22 | prh | it's a pain with opie too |
| 11:39.39 | NA|Zzz | prh: Yeah, opie messes around with z-order and everything in a weird manner |
| 11:39.50 | CoreDump|afk | XorA: I have the die-hard habit of switching windows using the tarkbar |
| 11:40.06 | XorA | CoreDump|afk: ah, I try and use stylus as little as possible |
| 11:40.19 | CoreDump|afk | XorA: =) |
| 11:40.32 | XorA | different PDA usage styles |
| 11:40.36 | CoreDump|afk | well, in Opie I can switch through all tabs with "Home". |
| 11:40.45 | XorA | some gui genious should probably document all this |
| 11:40.53 | CoreDump|afk | GPE's hotkeys don't work at all ATM |
| 11:41.57 | CoreDump|afk | but all in all, GPE is pretty nice =) X alone is a big plus (IMO) |
| 11:45.50 | CoreDump|afk | e-image w/ GPE apps is kinda nice |
| 11:46.01 | CoreDump|afk | well it _was_ nice when e-image was working =) |
| 11:48.05 | prh | the key repeat prob on 2.6 is annoying |
| 11:48.12 | CoreDump|afk | yes |
| 11:48.16 | prh | what is e-image? |
| 11:48.27 | XorA | key repeat is AKAIK fixed |
| 11:48.37 | NA|Zzz | prh: image with E17, iirc |
| 11:48.51 | CoreDump|afk | JustinP: I've replaced entranced with gpe-dm for testings sake. The X server opened by gpe-dm has the same problem like entranced |
| 11:48.53 | prh | NA|Zzz: Ahh ooh eye-candy! |
| 11:49.11 | CoreDump|afk | prh: http://hentges.net/tmp/screenshots/Zaurus/Akita/Enlightenment/ |
| 11:49.17 | CoreDump|afk | eyecandy overkill =) |
| 11:49.19 | prh | XorA: not in the kernels of hrws test2 |
| 11:49.41 | prh | CoreDump|afk: pretty |
| 11:50.03 | NA|Zzz | CoreDump|afk: Let me get the bucket for the drool. |
| 11:50.07 | CoreDump|afk | Well, you have to see it in action |
| 11:50.44 | XorA | prh: firefox rocks |
| 11:50.45 | CoreDump|afk | keep in mind that these shots are anient, at least 4 month old |
| 11:51.07 | CoreDump|afk | the base e-image then was larger than any flash could handle =) |
| 11:51.11 | prh | is there a recent ffox around? |
| 11:51.34 | CoreDump|afk | prh: I don't know of any binaries |
| 11:51.54 | prh | latest I found was 0.9.something |
| 11:51.57 | prh | I think |
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| 11:52.26 | CoreDump|afk | 1.0.6 is in OE |
| 11:52.57 | XorA | 1.0.7 is in OE |
| 11:53.14 | XorA | as is 1.5.0 (but that is non functional) |
| 11:53.55 | prh | oh right |
| 11:54.01 | prh | that'll do |
| 11:54.29 | prh | ponders trying firefox with xqt on opie |
| 11:54.51 | XorA | prh: it works, but Xqt needs some fixes for opie |
| 11:55.01 | prh | whats broken? |
| 11:55.16 | CoreDump|afk | JustinP: umm, running /etc/X11/Xserver produces the same b0rked X11. There's our problem |
| 11:55.31 | prh | I guess with the 3100 it would be feasable to run opie and X/gpe/matchbox on different vt's and switch |
| 11:56.01 | XorA | prh: on 2.6 kernel on c7x0 Xqt gets the rotation all wrong as its hard coded. Also the qte used by opie doesnt compile some of the unicode helpers needed by Xqt, so virtual keyboard segfaults the app |
| 11:56.23 | prh | oops |
| 11:57.21 | XorA | prh: all fairly simple to fix, I just lost interest and dont know enough about qt key events to fix the other |
| 11:57.52 | CoreDump|afk | JustinP: ignore my last comment. It helps when DISPLAY is set correctly... |
| 11:58.21 | XorA | prh: given the knowledge and a couple of hours hacking, someone should be able to fix it |
| 11:59.51 | prh | GeoKM: I am so relieved |
| 12:02.42 | CoreDump|afk | gotta go to work, later all |
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| 12:37.00 | hrw|work | morning |
| 12:46.01 | prh | hrw|work: morning! |
| 12:46.34 | prh | hrw|work: shift for @ rather fn is still there in test2/750/gpe |
| 12:47.41 | hrw|work | prh: for me it looks like X11 problem rather then keymap |
| 12:47.54 | hrw|work | prh: under console it is with fn |
| 12:48.41 | prh | ok |
| 13:20.43 | alan|home | hi hrw|work |
| 13:20.48 | hrw|work | hi alan |
| 13:23.59 | alan|home | i don't have time to switch to test2 for now... too bad. Any changelog ? |
| 13:24.34 | hrw|work | alan|home: look in NEW-test2/ |
| 13:27.18 | alan|home | hehe... wasn't there when i last looked ^^ |
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| 13:29.03 | hrw|work | I added it few days ago |
| 13:33.22 | alan|home | i rushed on when you first said new images were there. didn't check since |
| 13:33.45 | alan|home | "gpe 2.7: update to 2.7 :)" that is good d(^^)b |
| 13:34.45 | hrw|work | alan|home: I created changelog from monotone log |
| 13:34.56 | hrw|work | lunch |
| 13:36.37 | alan|home | good lunch |
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| 14:06.33 | hrw|work | someone is so crazy to test busybox package? |
| 14:07.49 | alan|home | hrw|work: as i will soon reflash, maybe i can |
| 14:14.55 | hrw|work | alan|home: query |
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| 14:46.10 | alan|home | time to go to work. |
| 14:46.23 | alan|home | i take what i need to flash tonight |
| 14:46.38 | alan|home | goodbye |
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| 15:05.23 | hrw|work | 85 testers |
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| 15:44.08 | JustinP | CoreDump|afk: yeah, I'm thinking the problem is in a change to the X stuff....but I'm not sure what it would be |
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| 15:54.26 | NoFonE | is CoreDump Online and living ? :) PLEASE ANSWER TO MY PING !!! |
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| 16:31.48 | prh | rI need to debug a vtund link - whats the quickest way to get syslog active? |
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| 16:57.10 | XorA | prh: logread |
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| 17:45.38 | shadows | hmmm, crazy idea.... make some code that exports a given directory as a virtual vfat filesystem |
| 17:45.54 | shadows | for use on embedded devices that operate in gadget storage device mode |
| 17:46.09 | shadows | that way you would be able to keep everything ext2 and *nix like |
| 17:49.32 | shadows | unless that's already supported |
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| 19:08.57 | JustinP | shadows: would be nice.... |
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| 22:03.40 | z1ng3r | Hey guys. I'm getting ready to flash my Z 5500, and I'd like a recomendation on which version of OZ I should use to get my Ambicom WL1100C to work with WEP turned on. |
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| 22:49.49 | CoreDump|home | NoFonE: now he is |
| 22:50.08 | CoreDump|home | hi |
| 22:50.29 | NoFonE | hi CoreDump |
| 22:50.33 | CoreDump|home | z1ng3r: the latest and greatest of course |
| 22:50.35 | NoFonE | how it's going |
| 22:51.22 | CoreDump|home | pretty good =) And how are you? |
| 22:51.35 | NoFonE | CoreDump - good besides that i can't find any Z-6000 |
| 22:52.29 | CoreDump|home | doh, why is that? Is no one selling them anymore? |
| 22:52.36 | NoFonE | nope |
| 22:52.45 | NoFonE | you won't see them even on ebay |
| 22:52.50 | NoFonE | there is planty of z-5500 |
| 22:52.59 | CoreDump|home | screw the 5500 |
| 22:53.00 | NoFonE | but i have that one already and i don't need another one |
| 22:53.02 | CoreDump|home | =) |
| 22:53.10 | NoFonE | jup 5500 is an oldie ,,, |
| 22:53.27 | CoreDump|home | well, how about getting a clamshell model? |
| 22:53.33 | NoFonE | by the way can you explain to me couple things |
| 22:54.31 | CoreDump|home | well, I can try =) |
| 22:55.47 | NoFonE | remember that you gave me a link |
| 22:56.00 | NoFonE | to that image that consisted of an cardfs image,, |
| 22:56.08 | NoFonE | well i have it fully functional installed |
| 22:57.07 | CoreDump|home | I remember, yes |
| 22:57.19 | NoFonE | but i don't really like the aplication installed on it ,, well some of it ,, |
| 22:57.28 | NoFonE | how should look the instalation now ,,, |
| 22:57.40 | CoreDump|home | ? |
| 22:57.41 | NoFonE | if i want to uninstall i guess that wouldn't be a problem |
| 22:57.51 | CoreDump|home | and install onto SD or CF |
| 22:57.52 | NoFonE | but if i want to install as a destination i should take /root |
| 22:57.53 | NoFonE | ? |
| 22:57.57 | CoreDump|home | no |
| 22:58.05 | CoreDump|home | SD or CF |
| 22:58.08 | NoFonE | ok so should i create the directory packages |
| 22:58.13 | NoFonE | at it used to be ,, |
| 22:58.19 | NoFonE | and install it normally |
| 22:58.30 | NoFonE | as i was doing on regular oz 3.5.3 |
| 22:58.30 | NoFonE | ? |
| 22:58.42 | CoreDump|home | no need to create any directories, just install |
| 22:58.51 | NoFonE | ok |
| 22:59.04 | NoFonE | i have problems with linking also after installations |
| 22:59.09 | NoFonE | so i should normally run |
| 22:59.25 | NoFonE | ipkg-link mount /media/card/ |
| 22:59.25 | NoFonE | ? |
| 22:59.29 | CoreDump|home | correct |
| 22:59.57 | NoFonE | oki doki,, i guess that will keep me busy for some time ,, |
| 23:00.02 | CoreDump|home | next release comes with optional "true" root on SD or CF |
| 23:00.10 | NoFonE | besides ,,, could you look on my z |
| 23:00.12 | NoFonE | for a second ,, |
| 23:00.12 | NoFonE | ? |
| 23:00.21 | NoFonE | and see what is a problem with apache installation ? |
| 23:00.34 | CoreDump|home | apache on a Z? heh |
| 23:00.39 | NoFonE | jupp |
| 23:01.19 | NoFonE | found it in http://www.killefiz.de/k/zaurus/ |
| 23:01.26 | CoreDump|home | ... |
| 23:01.38 | CoreDump|home | do not use non OZ feeds. It _will_ break things |
| 23:02.03 | CoreDump|home | it's like installing SuSE rpm's onto a redhat system |
| 23:02.11 | XorA|gon1 | CoreDump|home: nokia have apache on mobile phone :-) |
| 23:02.15 | NoFonE | well but supposly that version of apache should work on that thing |
| 23:02.20 | CoreDump|home | XorA|gon1: you're kiddin |
| 23:02.25 | CoreDump|home | XorA|gon1: what for heh |
| 23:02.42 | XorA|gon1 | CoreDump|home: nope, they plan to have "personal" web pages served off 3g phones |
| 23:02.45 | NoFonE | jupp good question ,,, what for a mobile phone would need that |
| 23:02.55 | XorA|gon1 | CoreDump|home: I am hoping this means they want to push for frommGPRS |
| 23:03.22 | XorA|gon1 | http://research.nokia.com/research/projects/mobile-web-server/index.html |
| 23:03.33 | NoFonE | well i guess i can take a nap now :) |
| 23:03.49 | XorA|gon1 | s/frommGPRS/free GPRS |
| 23:04.08 | NoFonE | thx CoreDump for making my life easier,,,, |
| 23:04.16 | CoreDump|home | NoFonE: you're welcome =) |
| 23:04.22 | NoFonE | again,, good night to everyone |
| 23:05.29 | CoreDump|home | XorA|gon1: that's an interesting link |
| 23:06.03 | CoreDump|home | I am _so_ waiting for the next Big apache exploit lol |
| 23:07.47 | *** join/#openzaurus NA|Zzz (n=foo@220.253.2.153) |
| 23:10.39 | XorA|gon1 | CoreDump|home: yeah, an own phone with video camera streaming live is gonna be fun |
| 23:10.48 | XorA|gon1 | s/own/0wn3d/ |
| 23:10.52 | CoreDump|home | indeed =) |
| 23:20.28 | z1ng3r | Okay guys, I'm not getting any of this. |
| 23:21.05 | z1ng3r | I have a wl1100c in a 5500 and I've tried every version of every rom I can find and I can't get a single instance to associate with my WAP. |
| 23:25.59 | Ralafe | z1ng3r: That's strange. Either you're doing something weird (or maybe not doing something), or your wap just died. |
| 23:26.12 | z1ng3r | Anyone else here using a 5500, a wl1100c, and 128bit WEP? |
| 23:26.20 | Ralafe | I've never had a problem with my wl1100c |
| 23:26.29 | z1ng3r | Ralafe: No, My WAP is up- I'm on it now from my laptop. |
| 23:26.45 | Ralafe | Wired it up to my friends D-link router with 128bit wep without a problem |
| 23:28.45 | z1ng3r | Yikes- I think I found the problem. |
| 23:29.28 | z1ng3r | My WAP had a lease for the NIC already. Why it wasn't giving out the old IP address to the same NIC, I have no idea, but it's connected now. |
| 23:29.31 | z1ng3r | Cool beans. |
| 23:30.17 | Ralafe | Hope you didn't spend too much time on that :P |
| 23:30.57 | z1ng3r | Uh, weeks? Not weeks *straight* but I've been working on it for a while. Fscking embarrasing, that is. |
| 23:31.58 | Ralafe | I think I had a similar problem last night working on a couple wireless routers |
| 23:32.11 | Ralafe | Lots of arp cache issues, thought I bricked a box at one point |
| 23:32.21 | Ralafe | Finished the project right on the dot though |
| 23:33.10 | z1ng3r | Well, into my knowledgebase it goes. |
| 23:56.28 | prh | arghhh! the kernel I got from NA|Zzz does not have tun! anyone got a 2.6 tun moduule I can downloaad quick? |
| 23:57.07 | prh | hrm |