| 00:11.44 | simcop2387-zauru | w00t this means i can probably get pose working now |
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| 00:47.05 | CoreDump|afk | JustinP: http://pastebin.com/540975 <- that's my error |
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| 01:05.06 | Gin-geR | Can anyone tell me what is the real life battery life of 3100 ? |
| 01:16.43 | JustinP | Gin-geR: no, but I can tell you with my C3000 with the screen off and playing music will last 7+ hours |
| 01:18.28 | JustinP | CoreDump|afk: have you perhaps done multiple e builds in the same dir? |
| 01:18.57 | JustinP | CoreDump|afk: OE seems to be having problems lately with pulling includes first from staging instead of the local dir... |
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| 02:25.11 | synth | gah, how long should a good battery last for a 5500 ? 2-3 hours? |
| 02:25.14 | synth | or is that wishful thinking |
| 02:27.22 | CoreDump|afk | a new one maybe heh |
| 02:30.36 | JustinP | should last longer than that if you turn down the backlight |
| 02:30.46 | JustinP | and if you turn off the screen it should last for 5-6+ |
| 02:30.54 | JustinP | (i.e. playing music) |
| 02:31.29 | CoreDump|afk | NOTE: package e-0.16.999.023: started |
| 02:32.45 | CoreDump|afk | NOTE: package e-0.16.999.023-r1: task do_build: completed |
| 02:32.57 | CoreDump|afk | JustinP: it was indeed a b0rked staging |
| 02:33.02 | JustinP | as it should be |
| 02:33.06 | JustinP | figured |
| 02:33.12 | CoreDump|afk | cleaning staging is a bitch |
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| 02:36.10 | CoreDump|afk | hmm e-wm's do_fetch fails |
| 02:39.00 | JustinP | no |
| 02:39.04 | JustinP | no f-ing way |
| 02:41.15 | CoreDump|afk | yep |
| 02:41.34 | CoreDump|afk | could you tar up sources/cvs/e-wm for me? |
| 02:41.50 | JustinP | e-wm shouldn't be pulling from cvs |
| 02:42.06 | CoreDump|afk | cvs://anonymous@thinktux.net/root;module=e17/apps/e/data/themes;date=20050926" |
| 02:42.19 | CoreDump|afk | causes a python error |
| 02:42.23 | JustinP | then you're building the wrong one....do you not have a DISTRO? |
| 02:42.35 | CoreDump|afk | oz-unst. of course |
| 02:42.39 | JustinP | .... |
| 02:42.45 | JustinP | it shouldn't be building CVS |
| 02:42.48 | CoreDump|afk | e-0.16.999.023-r1/ |
| 02:42.58 | CoreDump|afk | it isn't |
| 02:43.13 | CoreDump|afk | it is only pulling the themes from CVS |
| 02:43.57 | CoreDump|afk | e's file management upstream is a joke |
| 02:44.32 | simcop2387 | e17 will rule! (this has been a public announcement by an E fanboy using fvwm2) |
| 02:44.46 | simcop2387 | but yea its really a mess upstream last i looked |
| 02:44.58 | CoreDump|afk | it sure does =) but building it can be a pain at times |
| 02:45.03 | synth | JustinP, law of diminishing returns with battery memory then huh |
| 02:45.29 | CoreDump|afk | "diminishing returns" sounds soo WoW |
| 02:45.31 | JustinP | CoreDump|afk: hmmm...not sure why I'm pulling that. Try removing it |
| 02:45.39 | CoreDump|afk | heh k |
| 02:45.48 | synth | JustinP, wonder if i ran it full empty and fully charged it if it would last longer. dont know how long it does last but i can practically watch the %s change when i have my wifi card in heh |
| 02:46.07 | synth | it keeps recalculatting. one minute its in the 30%s the next the 40s |
| 02:46.30 | synth | CoreDump|afk, trust me that's not from WOW :D |
| 02:47.04 | CoreDump|afk | synth: =) |
| 02:47.10 | JustinP | synth: yes, wifi takes a lot of battery power |
| 02:47.13 | CoreDump|afk | NOTE: package e-wm-0.16.999.023-r3: task do_configure: started |
| 02:47.33 | synth | JustinP, but even w/out that the battery still goes fast.. i'll try to turn the screen off and see if i can get 5hrs out of a full charge then |
| 02:47.40 | CoreDump|afk | IIRC a brand new Collie w/ brand new battery lasted 2.5hrs w/ wifi |
| 02:47.40 | JustinP | CoreDump|afk: compile prepend is going to fail.... |
| 02:47.46 | synth | JustinP, im wondering if its worth the 50 dollar investment for a new battery |
| 02:47.46 | JustinP | hmmm.... |
| 02:47.49 | synth | ahh really coredump |
| 02:47.50 | synth | ok |
| 02:48.12 | synth | the 6000 was because of the 5500s crap batt life i know that much |
| 02:48.37 | synth | wow 33% to 29% in 5 minutes heh |
| 02:48.48 | synth | back to 33%! come on, normalize! ;) |
| 02:49.53 | CoreDump|afk | JustinP: might as well use themes from enlightenmen_$PV right? |
| 02:50.06 | synth | using e's canvas? |
| 02:50.36 | synth | so is it better to let the 5500 drain low then charge or just charge whenever, because of battery memory |
| 02:50.37 | JustinP | CoreDump|afk: comment out the copies from themes in do_compile_prepend |
| 02:51.30 | CoreDump|afk | for understandings sake, why were you doing that in the first place? |
| 02:52.17 | JustinP | synth: if it's li-ion (I believe it is) it shouldn't have memory |
| 02:52.28 | JustinP | CoreDump|afk: because the themes were bad on one of the releases.... |
| 02:52.34 | CoreDump|afk | ah i c |
| 02:52.43 | JustinP | CoreDump|afk: I'll check in those changes once I test them... |
| 02:52.47 | CoreDump|afk | sure |
| 02:53.07 | synth | JustinP, i thought it was but im not sure so i'll take your word for it :D |
| 02:53.22 | CoreDump|afk | if you need webspace for sources (as e keeps deleting old releases...) let me know |
| 02:54.28 | JustinP | CoreDump|afk: well it's fine not having the old ones...the new ones *are* better... |
| 02:54.39 | synth | haha i turned the brightness up to max and it immediately went to 3% |
| 02:54.53 | synth | does this thing keep track of how it normalizes its estimates? |
| 02:54.58 | CoreDump|afk | but it stinks that 3 days old .bb files break due to not keeping old releases |
| 02:55.18 | JustinP | true |
| 02:55.35 | CoreDump|afk | yay NOTE: package e-wm-0.16.999.023: completed |
| 02:56.20 | CoreDump|afk | synth: may I ask what version of OZ you are running on that Collie? |
| 02:57.09 | synth | dunno, sys info says its a build from 2005-04-07 19:38 |
| 02:57.19 | synth | i havent upgraded in forever, i had given up on the fucking thing |
| 02:57.19 | CoreDump|afk | ugh |
| 02:57.23 | synth | too much frustration |
| 02:57.36 | synth | put it to sleep, it doesnt come back |
| 02:57.42 | synth | put it to sleep, it comes back w/no CF |
| 02:57.51 | CoreDump|afk | sounds like 3.5.3 w/o new kernel =) |
| 02:57.54 | synth | put it to sleep once and lost a gpe session |
| 02:58.03 | synth | been logging in as root ever since |
| 02:58.11 | synth | log on as my user and i just get the blank X with cursor |
| 02:58.31 | CoreDump|afk | you should register for the 3.5.4RC builds from hrw |
| 02:58.31 | synth | so it hasnt improved much huh |
| 02:58.44 | CoreDump|afk | 3.5.4 blows 3.5.x out of the water |
| 02:58.51 | CoreDump|afk | (and back) |
| 02:58.51 | synth | for collie even? |
| 02:59.11 | CoreDump|afk | the distro base has seen tons of improvements |
| 02:59.14 | JustinP | for everything |
| 02:59.17 | CoreDump|afk | that counts for collie,too |
| 02:59.26 | synth | register? where and how |
| 02:59.31 | synth | hrw? who/what is that |
| 02:59.36 | CoreDump|afk | openzaurus.org |
| 02:59.58 | synth | its not 2.6 kernel is it? |
| 02:59.58 | CoreDump|afk | http://openzaurus.org/wordpress/2006/01/09/openzaurus-354-release-plans/#comments |
| 03:00.03 | CoreDump|afk | no |
| 03:00.03 | synth | SD working? |
| 03:00.05 | synth | ah |
| 03:00.11 | CoreDump|afk | still 2.4 |
| 03:00.17 | synth | well good, i want SD :D |
| 03:00.20 | CoreDump|afk | can't have everything 09 |
| 03:00.34 | synth | what does 2.6 offer strongarm really |
| 03:00.38 | synth | hotplug? |
| 03:00.47 | JustinP | no crappy embeddix kernels |
| 03:00.48 | synth | i cant think what else |
| 03:00.53 | CoreDump|afk | no clue. 2.6 on collie doesn't exist for me due to missing SD |
| 03:00.58 | synth | exactly |
| 03:01.02 | JustinP | although some people put a ot of work into the collie 2.4 kernel... |
| 03:01.09 | CoreDump|afk | on akita it rocks |
| 03:01.10 | synth | there have been a couple collie patches applied to the main kernel tree in the last couple months |
| 03:01.17 | synth | for touch screen and the actual screen buffer |
| 03:01.17 | JustinP | has MMC doesn't it? |
| 03:01.24 | CoreDump|afk | system is alot more responsive, feels faster |
| 03:01.30 | synth | but i fucking hate the fact that the SD is so cllosed up |
| 03:01.36 | CoreDump|afk | JustinP: yes MMC should work |
| 03:02.24 | JustinP | if MMC works you can still access your "SD" cards fine.... |
| 03:02.55 | CoreDump|afk | JustinP: nah SD does _not_ work. That's what RP told me a few month back |
| 03:03.29 | CoreDump|afk | anyway, screw collie =D |
| 03:03.37 | synth | hey thats all i have heh |
| 03:03.41 | JustinP | if you mean the *slot* doesn't work that's different |
| 03:03.43 | CoreDump|afk | heh j/k |
| 03:03.52 | synth | so SD doesnt work on the new 3.5.4 ? |
| 03:03.55 | synth | for collie |
| 03:04.05 | CoreDump|afk | synth: 3.5.4 ships w/ kernel 2.4 |
| 03:04.24 | synth | ok. and its that module interface that their modules need huh |
| 03:04.30 | synth | why hasnt someone written a compat layer? |
| 03:04.35 | CoreDump|afk | yuck |
| 03:04.46 | CoreDump|afk | just looks at the crappix kernel coe |
| 03:04.48 | CoreDump|afk | code |
| 03:05.01 | synth | never looked at embeddix stuff |
| 03:05.03 | synth | horrible huh |
| 03:05.08 | CoreDump|afk | I've seen grown man break out in tears just _looking_ at it |
| 03:05.09 | CoreDump|afk | =) |
| 03:05.17 | synth | o/~ you make a grown man cry o/~ |
| 03:07.27 | JustinP | e-image will fail |
| 03:07.32 | CoreDump|afk | JustinP: some day I'll have to look at spitz's altboot scripts again. There were many recent changes |
| 03:07.33 | JustinP | due to dbus versions.... |
| 03:07.38 | CoreDump|afk | meh I forgot |
| 03:07.46 | JustinP | I'm doing e-image-core right now |
| 03:07.52 | JustinP | will be testig e-image |
| 03:07.56 | JustinP | soon |
| 03:07.59 | CoreDump|afk | bitbake e-image-core |
| 03:08.42 | synth | so you are foregoing gpe/opie for enlightenment canvas? |
| 03:09.01 | CoreDump|afk | NOTE: package e-image-core-1.0-r1: task do_rootfs: started |
| 03:09.11 | JustinP | canvas? |
| 03:09.23 | synth | yeah rasterman has a canvas that runs on zaurus screenbuffers |
| 03:09.29 | synth | instead of GPE/OPIE |
| 03:09.34 | CoreDump|afk | oh that |
| 03:09.37 | JustinP | no, not using that |
| 03:09.40 | JustinP | it's on X |
| 03:09.42 | CoreDump|afk | saw a photo of it once heh |
| 03:09.44 | synth | thought yo were building the underpinnings |
| 03:09.47 | synth | ahhh i see |
| 03:09.52 | synth | his stuff is impressive :) |
| 03:10.00 | synth | i havent seen this canvas, but ive worked with his code before |
| 03:10.12 | CoreDump|afk | the PDA e looked cool |
| 03:10.23 | CoreDump|afk | but full blown e looks even better |
| 03:10.34 | synth | e17 needs a lot of help... |
| 03:10.39 | CoreDump|afk | http://hentges.net/tmp/screenshots/Zaurus/Akita/Enlightenment/ |
| 03:10.43 | synth | it doesnt do xinerama right, and of coruse its still got tons of bugs |
| 03:11.35 | CoreDump|afk | well, e17 is in dev since how many years again? |
| 03:11.37 | synth | its fun though, the eye candy is amazing. he re-wrote xrender using mmx opts and it fucking screams |
| 03:11.44 | synth | oh god since 94-95 |
| 03:11.49 | synth | well E originally. |
| 03:11.53 | synth | i made the first themes for it :) |
| 03:12.01 | CoreDump|afk | =) I see it more of a proof-of-concept than a DE |
| 03:12.06 | synth | but if you were to see the lib deps |
| 03:12.06 | CoreDump|afk | synth: =) |
| 03:12.10 | synth | oh he's been harddd at work |
| 03:12.47 | CoreDump|afk | he has one hell of a hand for eyecandy |
| 03:12.48 | synth | http://www.rasterman.com/files/efl.png |
| 03:12.50 | synth | there you go |
| 03:12.55 | synth | that's why e17 isnt done yet |
| 03:13.26 | JustinP | e-wm is actualy getting pretty stable |
| 03:13.40 | JustinP | lots of the efl isn't required for e-wm |
| 03:13.47 | JustinP | and raster doesn't care about anything but e-wm |
| 03:13.47 | synth | its usable, i used it daily for over a year constantly updating cvs- but he just doesnt have time to fix xinerama and neither do I |
| 03:13.50 | synth | so I ditched it |
| 03:14.16 | CoreDump|afk | NOTE: package e-image-core-1.0: completed |
| 03:14.22 | synth | its ok so far. |
| 03:15.15 | synth | gpe or opie? |
| 03:15.34 | synth | i should have just said "vim or emacs" |
| 03:15.34 | CoreDump|afk | there is no war |
| 03:15.38 | CoreDump|afk | opie is dead |
| 03:15.42 | synth | oh really |
| 03:15.43 | CoreDump|afk | or dying |
| 03:15.47 | synth | ahhh k |
| 03:16.09 | CoreDump|afk | and emacs sucks =) |
| 03:16.10 | synth | so since GPE is X based, OPIE was FB right? |
| 03:16.20 | synth | emacs = eight megs and constantly swapping |
| 03:16.27 | CoreDump|afk | hehe |
| 03:16.56 | JustinP | emacs kicks ass |
| 03:17.02 | synth | so you just ditched GPE for WM since GPE runs on X, huh CoreDump |
| 03:17.24 | CoreDump|afk | synth: I don't understand that question |
| 03:17.41 | synth | CoreDump|afk, well how'd you get windowmaker on there instead of GPE |
| 03:17.53 | CoreDump|afk | I was talking about my desktop lol |
| 03:17.56 | synth | i thought opie wasnt on X, i thought it was using trolltech's framebuffer |
| 03:17.57 | synth | iohhhh |
| 03:17.59 | synth | bastard :D |
| 03:18.02 | CoreDump|afk | hehe |
| 03:18.20 | CoreDump|afk | well, wmaker would be somehow cute on a Z |
| 03:18.30 | synth | metashitty is what i'm on now but i cant stand this thing so i'll find something else |
| 03:18.35 | synth | sawfish was slow.. |
| 03:18.44 | CoreDump|afk | but the coolest thing to date was running Amiga OS under UAE on a Z |
| 03:18.55 | synth | wmaker would be good on the Z cause of its win borders |
| 03:19.01 | synth | very compact and easy to find corners to drag |
| 03:19.25 | synth | i wanna play games on here but i cant believe how crap the battery life is |
| 03:19.37 | synth | i should go upgrade.. |
| 03:20.04 | JustinP | battery life is ok if you remove the wifi... |
| 03:20.32 | synth | i removed the wifi long ago and its gone from 30-40%ish to 5% since i started typing in here |
| 03:20.34 | synth | :( |
| 03:20.45 | synth | maybe 60-66% brightness |
| 03:20.59 | synth | i could always get 2 batts and swap.. |
| 03:21.17 | synth | if 3.5.4 is so much better for collies |
| 03:23.02 | synth | so whats the Akita? a newer zaurus? |
| 03:23.09 | CoreDump|afk | ~akita |
| 03:23.10 | ibot | somebody said akita was the Sharp SL-C1000, or a dog |
| 03:23.19 | synth | haha |
| 03:23.29 | synth | "an akita is a dog" "the sharp sl-c1000 runs like a dog" |
| 03:23.33 | synth | open to interpretetation |
| 03:23.53 | synth | well damn thats nice to have e17 on that |
| 03:23.55 | synth | looks sweet. |
| 03:23.57 | CoreDump|afk | 640x480 screen, PXA270/400MHz, 128MB "ROM" 64MB RAM, USB host(!) |
| 03:24.02 | synth | hm back up to 8% |
| 03:24.16 | synth | no shit? how much they go for |
| 03:24.32 | CoreDump|afk | umm 600 euros last time I looked |
| 03:24.35 | synth | 400-550 froogle shows |
| 03:24.36 | synth | USD |
| 03:24.50 | synth | wtf! 1% now lhaha |
| 03:24.51 | CoreDump|afk | well, I didn't look in the past few month heh |
| 03:25.00 | JustinP | C3000 is nicer |
| 03:25.04 | JustinP | ;-) |
| 03:25.16 | synth | omg i plugged in and it went to 25% immediately |
| 03:25.20 | synth | that has to be software.. :) |
| 03:25.38 | CoreDump|afk | your battery is dead |
| 03:25.49 | synth | heh |
| 03:26.00 | synth | but it really cant normalize its amts though :) |
| 03:26.52 | synth | so li-on has no memory effect issue, this is just an old crusty batt then |
| 03:29.26 | JustinP | a 4GB HDD makes booting images easy |
| 03:29.42 | synth | wish i had the $ to blow on that stuff |
| 03:29.45 | synth | i can barely make ends meet heh |
| 03:30.14 | JustinP | me too actually |
| 03:30.20 | JustinP | I just got lucky with a tax return |
| 03:30.29 | synth | and i wont charge it, cause i know id just make min payments and then pay interest to the cc comps |
| 03:30.54 | synth | yeah i have nothing to itemize so my taxes will be straightfwd this year |
| 03:30.59 | synth | no chances for me to rake back loot |
| 03:31.17 | CoreDump|afk | JustinP: entrance doesn't come up heh |
| 03:31.54 | synth | i do have a TIN though, wonder if i could write off some of these things as business expenses |
| 03:32.04 | synth | cause i do consult from my home. |
| 03:32.30 | JustinP | CoreDump|afk: I tested it the other day. |
| 03:34.20 | CoreDump|afk | JustinP: ln -s /bin/bash /bin/sh does again the trick *shrug* |
| 03:36.22 | synth | so i have to sign up w/hrw to get the build for 3.5.4 ? |
| 03:36.32 | CoreDump|afk | yes |
| 03:36.33 | synth | im having trouble finding his email addy in that loonnnggg post |
| 03:36.42 | synth | his name links to his web site |
| 03:36.49 | synth | but i dont see it there either |
| 03:37.05 | synth | i cant wait. can you send me a copy? :D |
| 03:37.13 | synth | justinp? :) |
| 03:37.15 | synth | do you hav eit |
| 03:37.36 | JustinP | I don't have a collie any more |
| 03:37.50 | CoreDump|afk | well, I have a not-so-standard collie Opie image |
| 03:38.00 | synth | if its 3.5.4 i'll take it :) |
| 03:38.01 | JustinP | CoreDump|afk: I don't believe that...I patched the hell out of it, there are no refs to /bin/sh in entrance....have you updated? |
| 03:38.10 | CoreDump|afk | yep |
| 03:38.17 | CoreDump|afk | pull from 20:00 |
| 03:38.59 | JustinP | something must be wrong then... |
| 03:39.01 | JustinP | grrr |
| 03:40.34 | synth | so the collie is considered stable with the 3.5.4 hrw builds? |
| 03:40.40 | synth | cause it _never_ was right.. |
| 03:40.48 | CoreDump|afk | works fine for me |
| 03:40.56 | CoreDump|afk | but i don't use it much |
| 03:41.09 | synth | wow. tahts great. my zaurus collected dust for a year because of the frustrations i had w/it |
| 03:41.40 | synth | i ran software off of the CF and when an awake from a sleep didnt bring the CF back, aw fuck, that was a bitch |
| 03:45.29 | CoreDump|afk | FWIW, I am successfuly resuming when my _rootfs_ is on NFS. |
| 03:50.26 | CoreDump|afk | killing off cardclt while root is on NFS is not the brightest of ideas |
| 03:52.38 | synth | <3 coffee |
| 03:54.05 | CoreDump|afk | entrance sure has some quirks |
| 03:54.15 | CoreDump|afk | how can I change the user? |
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| 03:55.00 | synth | in etc there is a db (binary) cfg file for entrance |
| 03:55.07 | synth | there is an editor program, cant remember its name |
| 03:55.11 | synth | sorry :\ |
| 03:55.18 | synth | its in there. |
| 03:55.21 | CoreDump|afk | nahh |
| 03:55.47 | CoreDump|afk | http://hentges.net/tmp/screenshots/Zaurus/Akita/Enlightenment/entrance1.jpg |
| 03:55.59 | CoreDump|afk | the "user" field is set to "root" and greyed out |
| 03:56.04 | CoreDump|afk | howdI change it? |
| 04:01.02 | CoreDump|afk | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.2790.png |
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| 04:30.44 | JustinP | CoreDump|afk: likely you don't have any other users on your system... |
| 04:30.58 | CoreDump|afk | actually I've created one =) |
| 04:31.29 | JustinP | synth: yep, CF is ejected and inserted when you suspend...not a good idea to run things on it when suspending |
| 04:31.32 | JustinP | synth: use SD ;-) |
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| 04:32.06 | grendal_prime | hey is testing working....yet |
| 04:32.22 | grendal_prime | oops |
| 04:32.25 | grendal_prime | worn winodw |
| 04:33.51 | JustinP | CoreDump|afk: Shift-Tab? Click on it? enter incorrect info? click one of the other "buttons"? |
| 04:34.11 | CoreDump|afk | only entering a wrong password works, tries everything |
| 04:34.30 | JustinP | so entering a wrong password makes it go back to username? |
| 04:34.36 | CoreDump|afk | yes |
| 04:34.40 | JustinP | kind of strange....is it that way on startup? |
| 04:34.51 | CoreDump|afk | hmm dunno, sec |
| 04:35.14 | CoreDump|afk | installing task gpe introduced a few problems |
| 04:35.38 | JustinP | you shouldn't have installed task-gpe.... |
| 04:35.53 | JustinP | OZ is not set up to have multiple wms... |
| 04:35.58 | JustinP | install some of the smaller tasks |
| 04:36.01 | JustinP | like task-gpe-pim |
| 04:36.05 | CoreDump|afk | I did |
| 04:36.31 | CoreDump|afk | and OZ _could_ be setup to handle mutliple wms... |
| 04:36.54 | JustinP | sure it could |
| 04:36.59 | JustinP | it's just not set up that way right now |
| 04:37.16 | JustinP | and e17 is definately not set up for it... |
| 04:37.23 | CoreDump|afk | well GPE broke entrance login no longer possible |
| 04:38.21 | JustinP | of course |
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| 04:38.51 | CoreDump|afk | I did the same thing w/ the last image and had no probs *shrug* |
| 04:43.00 | CoreDump|afk | ahh got it |
| 04:43.00 | CoreDump|afk | it helps when the user actually _exists_ |
| 04:46.12 | CoreDump|afk | Installing gpe2e (1.0-r0) to root... |
| 04:56.34 | synth | hmm play video games or upgrade zaurus |
| 04:59.57 | CoreDump|afk | gotta go to work, cya |
| 05:01.29 | synth | adios |
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| 06:49.07 | hrhr | hi all |
| 06:50.48 | hrhr | plz, help me anybody, I want to buy used sl-c3100... what things I need to test at first, what bugs or deffects I can see... |
| 06:50.49 | shadows | der |
| 06:51.04 | hrhr | shadows: any ideas? |
| 06:51.17 | shadows | there's a built in technician's test menu |
| 06:51.41 | hrhr | link for description? |
| 06:52.05 | hrhr | or say me plz how it works and what I need to do |
| 06:52.08 | shadows | oh |
| 06:53.16 | hrhr | =/ |
| 06:53.22 | shadows | remove battery and charge cord, depress "reset" button in battery compartment, hold "D" and "M" keys on keyboard while replacing battery and AC power |
| 06:54.00 | shadows | it is vital that the D and M key presses remain contacted without interruption while restoring power to the Z |
| 06:54.14 | shadows | then the technicians menu will boot |
| 06:54.27 | shadows | there's a whole section of it for testing your Z |
| 06:54.42 | shadows | like, LCD test, where i found the 2 dead pixels my unit has |
| 06:55.02 | shadows | one pixel is dead under most conditions and i knew about, the other one is only under certain conditions and is new news to me |
| 06:56.27 | shadows | sound tests, USB and mouse tests, and so on |
| 06:56.43 | shadows | some of the tests are destructive, and will fry your Z |
| 06:56.56 | shadows | it is best to buy a C3100 from a reputable dealer |
| 06:57.22 | hrhr | I try to buy 3100 - 850$ |
| 06:57.36 | shadows | the C3100 is nice |
| 06:57.40 | shadows | i own the C3000 |
| 06:57.45 | hrhr | with cf-wifi, cf-lan, |
| 06:57.51 | hrhr | and some else |
| 06:58.10 | shadows | if you need an extra USB host OTG cable, they can be purchased from serialio.com |
| 06:58.36 | hrhr | I think that in complect |
| 06:58.51 | shadows | "complect" ? i do not understand |
| 07:00.46 | hrhr | sorry....my bad english....seller are provide usb-host cable |
| 07:00.53 | shadows | oh okay |
| 07:01.05 | shadows | "i think that (object) is included" |
| 07:01.24 | shadows | your english is better than my not-english |
| 07:01.25 | shadows | heh |
| 07:03.40 | hrhr | )) |
| 07:04.13 | hrhr | what devices are compatible with zaurus usb-host? |
| 07:04.25 | hrhr | keyboards, printers? |
| 07:08.00 | shadows | it depends on drivers |
| 07:08.04 | shadows | the hardware is USB 1.1 |
| 07:08.21 | hrhr | can I use zaurus as a usb-storage device? (I mean g_file_storage on pxa270) |
| 07:08.32 | shadows | yes, that is rumored to work |
| 07:08.39 | shadows | i don't use it myself though |
| 07:09.26 | hrhr | I read that it have USB 2.0 but not full speed, and somebody on #openzaurus say me this |
| 07:10.23 | shadows | they are referring to USB 1.1 |
| 07:10.29 | NAbyss | Yes, USB OTG is part of the 2.0 spec. |
| 07:10.41 | NAbyss | Well, an extension to. |
| 07:12.05 | hrhr | what is otg? |
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| 07:13.42 | shadows | "On The Go" which loosely means, definition of an USB specification for devices that are mobile and multi-purpose |
| 07:13.42 | hrhr | how about microdrive in 3100? |
| 07:13.47 | shadows | 4gb |
| 07:13.53 | shadows | same as c3000 |
| 07:14.05 | hrhr | I know....how ling its life |
| 07:14.28 | shadows | not sure. it spins up and powers down often |
| 07:15.18 | hrhr | sorry how LONG it's life |
| 07:16.00 | shadows | i am saying, the life may be reduced from your expected "average hard disk" MTBF mean time between failure, due to its useage pattern |
| 07:16.11 | shadows | so i don't know |
| 07:16.24 | shadows | it would probably last long enough you would not be likely to see it fail |
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| 07:25.40 | hrhr | shadows what zaurus are you have? |
| 07:51.31 | hrhr | =/ |
| 07:51.44 | hrhr | sorry |
| 07:51.45 | hrhr | ))) |
| 07:51.54 | hrhr | i cant see that you have 3000 |
| 07:51.55 | hrhr | )) |
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| 07:58.16 | shadows | hrhr: i have an early model C3000 |
| 08:08.50 | hrhr | which year sl-c3100 model? |
| 08:26.33 | shadows | your question is incomplete |
| 08:27.01 | shadows | interpreted as-is, the question has at least four possible meanings |
| 08:29.02 | hrhr | in what year was created c3100 |
| 08:29.03 | hrhr | ? |
| 08:29.13 | shadows | oh! much better question |
| 08:29.20 | shadows | i do not know the answer |
| 08:29.42 | shadows | my guess is that the C3100 was released in year 2005 |
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| 09:13.44 | shadows | best price in the USA for a C3100, http://www.streamlinecpus.com/store/product.php?productid=117&cat=2&page=1 |
| 09:14.21 | shadows | hrhr: maybe that is useful? streamlinecpus has the C3100 for $675usd |
| 09:14.22 | shadows | :) |
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| 09:19.23 | hrhr | shadows: thx...but transport to russia - +100-120$ and no accessories... |
| 09:19.45 | hrhr | I may buy it with 3 cf devices+host cable |
| 09:19.52 | hrhr | 850$ |
| 09:23.10 | hrhr | shadows: where are you from? |
| 09:30.53 | shadows | hrhr: chicago, IL USA vicinity |
| 09:31.31 | hrhr | )) |
| 09:33.47 | hrhr | ganngsters lives in chicago... |
| 09:34.28 | hrhr | AL CAPONE...))) |
| 09:34.59 | shadows | apparently |
| 09:36.04 | shadows | today, gangsters are poor and unskilled kids |
| 09:36.53 | shadows | a banger would shoot 6 times at the rival perp, and no hits |
| 09:37.08 | shadows | the solution is to teach these morons how to shoot eachother |
| 09:37.17 | shadows | then they will kill more effectively and not hit innocents |
| 09:37.41 | hrhr | shadows: how about c6000? |
| 09:37.46 | hrhr | good or not? |
| 09:37.53 | shadows | there is no c6000 |
| 09:37.59 | shadows | there is an SL-6000 ? |
| 09:38.45 | hrhr | 6000w |
| 09:38.50 | shadows | i think the SL-6000W is the ultimate, but now i have a clamshell style Zaurus (C3000 which opens and closes like a book) |
| 09:39.02 | shadows | i like the clamshell style |
| 09:39.19 | shadows | 6000W looks too big to comfortably leave in my pocket |
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| 09:58.20 | hrw|work | morning |
| 10:01.31 | hrhr | hi |
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| 10:09.37 | alan|home | plop |
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| 10:18.14 | hrhr | shadows: are you here? |
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| 11:52.49 | Gin-geR | Thanks, JustinP! |
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| 13:07.09 | _law_ | has anyone jamvm installed? |
| 13:07.53 | _law_ | if i launch an app i always see the gui for a few seconds and after that i get a killed error |
| 13:08.10 | _law_ | if i start the app over ssh (on my pc) it works |
| 13:21.23 | _law_ | is der any other java vm for Z? |
| 13:22.23 | XorA | _law_: there is another in ow, but I cant rember the naw |
| 13:22.25 | XorA | name |
| 13:28.14 | _law_ | XorA, sable? |
| 13:28.21 | XorA | thats the sone |
| 13:28.30 | XorA | bloody hell I cant type today |
| 13:28.37 | _law_ | i?ll try to build |
| 13:29.15 | _law_ | XorA, but i dont know why it works over ssh |
| 13:29.34 | _law_ | my hello world console app works fine |
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| 13:35.38 | _law_ | sable doesnt build :-( |
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| 14:10.45 | _law_ | sablevm also outputs killed :-( |
| 14:12.13 | prh | sounds like a memory prob |
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| 14:13.03 | prh | run a series of cat /proc/meminfo whilst running the java - you'll soon see a problem - or run logread - should show stuff getting killed |
| 14:15.41 | _law_ | prh, ok i?ll test again |
| 14:16.29 | _law_ | which vm works better jamvm or sablevm? |
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| 14:16.47 | hrhr | shadows: are you here? |
| 14:20.47 | _law_ | prh, http://pastebin.com/541572 first one is short before crash second i after crash |
| 14:23.56 | shadows | hrhr: yeah |
| 14:29.10 | prh | _law_: hmm could try running with strace to see what the last syscalls were |
| 14:30.40 | prh | _law_: tried running this on a pc and identifying how much memory it needs? |
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| 14:33.44 | alan|home | re |
| 14:34.01 | hrw|work | re alan |
| 14:34.20 | XorA | hey alan|home |
| 14:34.29 | alan|home | hi XorA |
| 14:34.53 | alan|home | i just upgraded my Desktop pc to mandriva 2006 |
| 14:35.39 | alan|home | next time, i think i'll migrate to debian or gentoo |
| 14:37.20 | XorA | Imust say, mandrake was my least favourite distro ever |
| 14:37.35 | XorA | especially when they released one version that was impossible to install |
| 14:38.34 | alan|home | ^^ |
| 14:39.23 | alan|home | is there still no OE based x86 distro created ? |
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| 15:35.55 | hrw|work | http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=17573 |
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| 15:41.18 | alan|xchat | niarf... |
| 15:41.36 | hrw|work | alan|xchat: http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=17573 |
| 15:42.14 | alan|xchat | hrw|work: great |
| 15:44.06 | alan|xchat | "solved : - too fast keyboard repeat on c7x0" yeeeeeeehaaaa ! |
| 15:45.24 | alan|xchat | do you think we will ever get some 3D acceleration on zaurus ? |
| 15:46.43 | shadows | XorA: the impossible to install one was the most fun, not really |
| 15:46.56 | hrw|work | if someone will work on decoding aticore code and implementing any acceleration for w100... |
| 15:47.04 | alan|xchat | ~lart alan|home for being rude |
| 15:48.07 | alan|xchat | hrw|work: and pdaxrom team work cannot be used ? |
| 15:48.30 | hrw|work | alan|xchat: they use xfree86 which we dont want to use |
| 15:48.54 | hrw|work | maybe if they switch to x.org... |
| 15:49.55 | alan|xchat | s/if/when |
| 15:49.58 | alan|xchat | :) |
| 15:55.33 | hrw|work | if |
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| 16:17.40 | prh | hrw|work: they'll have to switch at some point I'd have thought |
| 16:20.28 | hrw|work | prh: or not |
| 16:24.33 | alan|xchat | hi CoreDump|home |
| 16:25.32 | CoreDump|home | hello alan|xchat, hi all |
| 16:26.48 | hrw|work | hi CoreDump|home |
| 16:42.25 | prh | hmm |
| 17:08.50 | Gin-geR | Has anyone thought of comparing zaurus to nokia 770? |
| 17:09.14 | raduga | feel free to compare them as much as you like. |
| 17:09.35 | Gin-geR | raduga: well, I don't want to buy both... |
| 17:09.41 | raduga | I don't think anyone has thought of comparing them, ever. |
| 17:10.19 | Gin-geR | But isn't nokia the only sensible competitor to zaurus? |
| 17:10.55 | raduga | eh, there really isn't anything sensible. |
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| 17:11.10 | raduga | the closest I can think of is the old Psion S5 |
| 17:11.24 | raduga | and then you've got the super-expensive handheld PC clones |
| 17:11.46 | Gin-geR | Psion S5? |
| 17:12.22 | Gin-geR | Well, basically, what makes me think of nokia is that it has 800x480 screen... |
| 17:13.15 | raduga | gin-ger: the real crucial dividing point between Zaurus and non-Zaurus, for most people, is the keyboard |
| 17:13.28 | raduga | if you don't care about the ability to type, get a nokia |
| 17:13.38 | Gin-geR | well, yes, nokia lacks the keyboard and it bothers me a lot. |
| 17:13.41 | raduga | its probably faster, better screen, more memory, etc |
| 17:14.02 | Gin-geR | lack of the keyboard and 3 hours battery lifetime... |
| 17:14.53 | Gin-geR | but what I don't like about zaurus is this 640xx480 and a lot of space wasted around the screen... |
| 17:14.53 | Gin-geR | How convinient is zaurus keyboard, btw? |
| 17:15.16 | CoreDump|home | very |
| 17:16.12 | Gin-geR | Good... Looks like I'll go for zaurus... |
| 17:16.16 | raduga | gin-ger: there *are* handhelds with better keyboards, but all of them so ancient as to be nearly extinct (and mostly heavy and bulky) |
| 17:16.44 | Gin-geR | raduga: well, I don't want heavy and bulky one. ^) |
| 17:16.55 | raduga | pretty much all the psions, a couple old HP Jornadas, and a few models of Toshiba Libretto |
| 17:17.36 | Gin-geR | Not sure what HP and psions are running, but I'd prefer linux. And libretto is indeed nearly extinct and bulky. |
| 17:17.54 | Gin-geR | besides, I think its battery life isn't very appealing. |
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| 17:18.25 | raduga | the Psions can run linux, though at most 16mb and 36mhz :) |
| 17:18.33 | CoreDump|home | ouch |
| 17:18.40 | Gin-geR | doesn't sound like much fun ;-) |
| 17:19.02 | raduga | the jornadas (some of them anyway) can run linux, and are not bad machines. (well, relatively old and slow, but not unreasonably) |
| 17:19.05 | Gin-geR | I think zaurus wouldn't last less than my palm tungsten for, say, plain reading? |
| 17:19.36 | raduga | it would last less time, most likely; at least based on my previous palm experience, |
| 17:19.44 | raduga | but I have no idea about the tungsten |
| 17:19.45 | Gin-geR | I'll look into jornadas, but I'm afraid if one considers zaurus he's not likely to go for jornada? |
| 17:19.53 | raduga | gin-ger: don't look into the jornadas |
| 17:20.00 | Gin-geR | Okay, I will not ;-) |
| 17:20.44 | Gin-geR | hmm... much less? I think my tungsten now lasts for 8 hours at most (it's 3 years old) |
| 17:20.56 | raduga | coredump: gah. what's the name of that handheld pc thingy, that everyone drools over? |
| 17:21.05 | raduga | can't remember |
| 17:21.21 | Gin-geR | what thingie? |
| 17:21.22 | hrw|work | raduga: qoo? oqo? |
| 17:21.26 | Gin-geR | ahh |
| 17:21.28 | raduga | oqo, right |
| 17:21.34 | Gin-geR | I think it lasts even less. |
| 17:21.48 | raduga | if you have enough $$, get an oqo |
| 17:22.06 | Gin-geR | in fact getting zaurus is more than I can afford, but I really want one ;-) |
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| 17:23.34 | Gin-geR | And is zaurus screen well suited for reading? How much readable text fits on the screen? |
| 17:23.51 | raduga | the screen is small, but its very lucid. |
| 17:24.00 | raduga | a fair amount of text |
| 17:24.10 | CoreDump|home | the screen rocks really |
| 17:24.11 | Gin-geR | not less than 80x25 I take it? |
| 17:24.27 | raduga | of course not. |
| 17:24.31 | raduga | 80x25 is fine |
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| 17:24.42 | Gin-geR | Great. It does have plain console mode, right? |
| 17:24.54 | raduga | yep. |
| 17:25.00 | Gin-geR | Yeah and what about fonts? |
| 17:25.17 | Gin-geR | in X - I can use fonts availble for X, right? |
| 17:25.26 | CoreDump|home | Gin-geR: http://hentges.net/tmp/screenshots/Zaurus/Akita/ |
| 17:25.37 | CoreDump|home | yep |
| 17:25.45 | Gin-geR | Thanks, CoreDump |
| 17:25.49 | CoreDump|home | np |
| 17:26.43 | raduga | if you're running an X-based system, you can use most standard X stuff (fonts, etc) |
| 17:27.03 | Gin-geR | Great. And if I'm not (I'm not sure yet what I'm going to run there) |
| 17:27.12 | raduga | though by default the Zaurus ships with a system developed by Sharp that not-a-lot-of-people seem to like |
| 17:27.39 | Gin-geR | Yeah, I know. Most likely I'll just back it up and go for something completely different, but there are alternatives. |
| 17:27.40 | raduga | OpenZaurus is one attempt to fix that problem. Its very likely the best. |
| 17:28.07 | Gin-geR | looks like it. That's why I'm here. |
| 17:28.53 | Gin-geR | wonderful screenshots. And, as far as I remember, Akita has no HDD, right? |
| 17:29.03 | raduga | akita has no HDD, correct |
| 17:29.28 | Gin-geR | So all this stuff that fits into it is pretty smallish... |
| 17:29.52 | raduga | probably slightly better battery life than Spitz and Borzoi |
| 17:30.18 | Gin-geR | But I'm not obliged to use HDD all the time even if I have it, right? |
| 17:30.19 | raduga | current models of Zaurus have up to 128mb of flash onboard |
| 17:30.34 | raduga | which is the primary storage for the C1000 (and all earlier) |
| 17:31.00 | raduga | the hdd should power down when not in use |
| 17:31.14 | raduga | C1000 = 128mb flash |
| 17:31.15 | Gin-geR | yes, but I can use, say, 3100 mostly in c1000 fashion, right? |
| 17:31.22 | raduga | C3000 = 16mb flash, 4gb hdd |
| 17:31.33 | raduga | c3100 = 128mb flash, 4gb hdd |
| 17:32.03 | Gin-geR | yup. so whatever fits on C1000 in flash can sit there on c3100 as well. |
| 17:32.08 | raduga | well, yes. just don't access anything on the other filesystem |
| 17:32.27 | Gin-geR | Sounds like fun. |
| 17:32.40 | raduga | yes :) |
| 17:32.59 | Gin-geR | And, I think, SD card drains power less than hdd either? |
| 17:33.38 | raduga | sd and cf flash don't use a whole lot of power, but they use a bit. |
| 17:33.58 | raduga | cf wlan uses quite a bit. |
| 17:34.08 | Gin-geR | sure they're not taking power from the thin air ;-) I just have 128M SD card from my palm... |
| 17:34.18 | Gin-geR | Aha, and bluetooth uses less, I think? |
| 17:34.23 | raduga | no idea |
| 17:34.32 | Gin-geR | I have both WLAN and bluetooth here, so I can chose. |
| 17:34.41 | hrw|work | bt use less then wifi rather |
| 17:34.44 | Gin-geR | I use it to get mail on my tungsten... |
| 17:34.53 | Gin-geR | just ppp over bt |
| 17:35.15 | Gin-geR | And there are USB charging cables available? |
| 17:35.34 | hrw|work | Gin-geR: yes |
| 17:36.01 | Gin-geR | Great. I think I'll order one as a birthday gift for my precious self ;) |
| 17:36.20 | raduga | also, if you're enterprising (and don't like the idea of a spinning disk inside your zaurus) you can remove the HDD, and replace it with a CF flash card |
| 17:36.35 | raduga | though that probably voids the warranty (and may be a little tricky) |
| 17:36.56 | Gin-geR | I may go for it when it's a year or two old, maybe ;-) |
| 17:37.23 | raduga | the 3000, 3100 have an internal CF socket in addition to the standard external one. you probably won't fit anything other than a memory card in it though. |
| 17:37.49 | raduga | gin-ger: wait until the HDD warranty runs out. Then it will crash for sure. |
| 17:37.52 | Gin-geR | Ah. I didn't know that. |
| 17:38.08 | Gin-geR | Well, I sure will do that if HDD crashes ;-) |
| 17:38.13 | raduga | the internal CF slot is not "user serviceable" |
| 17:38.18 | raduga | some disassembly required |
| 17:38.34 | Gin-geR | So I'll better postpone playing around with it. |
| 17:38.49 | raduga | practice on your Tungsten, first :) |
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| 17:38.54 | Gin-geR | Once you open the device you can hardly stop doing it once in a short while ;-) |
| 17:39.06 | Gin-geR | BTW, I haven't opened tungsten even once yet. |
| 17:39.37 | raduga | have you seen the OESF forums? |
| 17:39.49 | raduga | http://www.oesf.org/forums |
| 17:39.58 | Gin-geR | nope, should I go there before buying the thing? :) |
| 17:40.12 | raduga | its a good source of information, actually |
| 17:40.25 | raduga | you can go there, and find out what people don't like about the Z |
| 17:40.29 | raduga | and find out what they do like |
| 17:40.32 | Gin-geR | Thank you. I'll go read now instead of bothering you then. |
| 17:40.38 | raduga | and see what's available, and what doesn't work |
| 17:40.47 | raduga | oh, feel free to bother us all you like |
| 17:40.56 | raduga | but be warned, I don't always give accurate information |
| 17:41.02 | CoreDump|home | http://hentges.net/tmp/photos/Akita/ <- open Akita |
| 17:41.40 | Gin-geR | Well, nobody does, rainbow. But you know it's not nice of me to ask you for things I can read over there. |
| 17:43.25 | Gin-geR | raduga, where does you nickname come from? |
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| 17:44.47 | raduga | gde vue dumayesh? |
| 17:45.12 | Gin-geR | Aha, I'm trying to figure out if you also had to deal with cyrillic ;-) |
| 17:45.28 | raduga | there are a bunch of russians here, actually. |
| 17:45.31 | raduga | I'm not one of them :) |
| 17:45.52 | raduga | but cyrillic is fairly well supported, at least on pdaXrom and CaCko QT rom |
| 17:46.01 | raduga | not sure about OZ. |
| 17:46.01 | Gin-geR | I see. Well, if they are here then they probably have all the solutions which means the solutions exist ;-) |
| 17:46.27 | Gin-geR | We'll see then. ;) |
| 17:46.28 | hrw|work | OZ/opie use ttf-dejavu which has cyrylic glyphs |
| 17:46.40 | Gin-geR | aha, thanks hrw |
| 17:46.56 | Gin-geR | BTW, can one load console fonts on zaurus? |
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| 17:47.24 | CoreDump|home | hmmmmmm, as it is a real linux at its core, I'd say yes |
| 17:47.25 | hrw|work | Gin-geR: install console-tools (by default on clamshells) and proper font |
| 17:47.52 | Gin-geR | Thanks. |
| 17:48.25 | Gin-geR | hrw|work: thnks, so far I was only trying to figure out if it's possible. But now I even know there's nothing special about it. |
| 17:48.43 | hrw|work | Gin-geR: basically it is linux box with 2.4/2.6 kernel |
| 17:48.59 | Gin-geR | yup. But things like that may depend on hardware as well. |
| 17:50.34 | Gin-geR | CoreDump|home: I never configure fonts as long as I have all characters needed available ;-) |
| 17:50.42 | CoreDump|home | dito |
| 17:50.55 | Gin-geR | Well, thank you guys, I'll go read forums for a while. |
| 17:51.01 | CoreDump|home | =) |
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| 18:44.47 | law_ | prh: http://pastebin.com/541988 here is my jamvm strace |
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| 18:53.30 | Gin-geR | Do you guys think it matters who to buy the thing from? I take it I need not bother about conversion to english, especially if I go for OZ or something similar? |
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| 20:56.43 | Gin-geR | heh, there is a comparison of sharp and nokia on oesf forums ;-) |
| 21:01.41 | prh | aww |
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| 21:13.41 | emeteo | some problem with openzaurus.org DNS? |
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| 21:35.10 | prh | _law_|iBook: there were lots of read errors there... trace back to see what file thy wee about |
| 21:38.04 | _law_|iBook | prh ok thanks ill try |
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| 22:40.32 | Clav | hello |
| 22:41.10 | *** topic/#openzaurus by Clav -> |
| 22:41.10 | *** topic/#openzaurus by ChanServ -> OpenZaurus user discussion/support channel | developer discussion in #oe | http://openzaurus.org/ | Don't ask to ask, just ask. | OZ 3.5.3 -> http://openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.3/ | Report OZ bugs at http://bugs.openembedded.org/ l/p: guest/guest |
| 22:44.48 | Clav | is there a problem with open zaurus website? |
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| 22:54.50 | tpdd | been awhile since i looked at OZ, have the alarm issues with collie and tosa been solved? |
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| 23:31.10 | simcop2387 | tpdd: alarm issues? (sorry for the late reply) |
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| 23:34.17 | tpdd | yup they neither wake up for alarms while suspended with the last 2 releases |
| 23:34.59 | earthwalker | Does anybody else have a problem with OZ 3.5.3 keeping the correct time? |
