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02:46.08TimelordDammit.
02:46.19TimelordAll I can get my Zaurus to do is crash. :P
02:46.56TimelordCan't format/partition/mount the microdrive to save my life.  Package manager is one crashy mofo.  Gah.
02:46.58TimelordDOOM
02:47.34TimelordI need to get this working for my trip tomorrow.  The thought of being without any form of computer is giving me the shakes as is.
02:56.55simcop2387hmm
02:57.19simcop2387Timelord: i've learned to use ipkg instead of the package managers, works much better imo
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06:11.48JustinPTimelord: yes, don't use the GUI package managers
06:11.53JustinPTimelord: use ipkg command-line
07:53.02shadowsholy crap, osb-jscore cvs HEAD from today compiles with gcc4
07:53.04shadows!
07:53.05shadowsyay
07:53.40JustinPyay
08:03.14shadowsC++ code taking an exponentially longer period of time to compile than C code
08:03.47shadowswoooh, it is going, going...  
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08:31.33Mardyhi all
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08:57.41shadowshey
08:57.44shadowssleepy time for me
08:58.36JustinPsoon for me too
09:20.12JustinPnight
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10:28.39guacacould anybody tell me where can I download openzaurus??
10:40.04webmindas soom as the website is online, there I guess?
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10:42.53pjprijsHello everybody, just one simple question, I can't reach the openzaurus.org website, is it possible the ip address changed? Can someone provide me with the current IP address of the website?
10:44.49webminddoesn't even resolve here
10:44.54webmindI think there is a problem
10:45.28pjprijsOK, I'm trying for a couple of days now, and indeed nslookup didn't give me the answer either...
10:45.57webmindcoupld of days ?
10:46.00webmindthat's bad
10:46.21pjprijsYes, started friday or thursday, don't know exactly
10:46.36pjprijsI guess it was friday
10:47.45pjprijsWho controls the server?? Some sort of Openzaurus developers group?
10:48.08pjprijsOr is it the property of Sharp?
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11:01.34AMDplease help me with ssh
11:01.51AMDI've got OZ 3.5.3 connected to windows xp
11:01.59AMDI want to use ssh
11:02.20AMDi configured the Windows HyperTerminal to connect the Zaurus on Port 22
11:02.35AMDnow everything it shows me is "SSH-2.0-dropbear_0.45"
11:02.38AMDI cant login!
11:02.53pjprijsWhy HyperTerminal, I advice you to download putty
11:03.01pjprijsAnd have you installed ssh or sshd?
11:03.04pjprijsYou need sshd
11:03.14AMDon the zaurus or windows?
11:03.39pjprijsOn windows, download the program Putty, on the Zaurus install sshd
11:03.41AMDon the zaurus I've got dropbear isn that enough?
11:04.01AMDok I will do so
11:04.37pjprijsNo dropbear should be enough sorry
11:04.46AMDok thx
11:05.05AMDanother problem
11:05.15AMDI haven't defined a root password
11:05.20AMDbut its asking me for
11:05.26pjprijsDoesn't matter
11:05.35pjprijslogin as root
11:05.48AMDunfortunately it shows me access denied
11:05.56pjprijsThat's strange
11:06.22AMDI've installed the dropbear security upgrade whatever it brings it must be in connection with this I think
11:06.59pjprijsI guess, but can't you set the root password on your Zaurus first?
11:07.13AMDok I will do so
11:07.24pjprijsMaybe it doesn't allow empty passwords, most of the sshd don't allow it
11:08.10AMDsorry to ask but how do I change the pwd of a logged on root user on  Linux
11:08.37pjprijsstart a terminal
11:08.41pjprijsthen type passwd
11:09.10pjprijs(Maybe there is another way in Opie, but I started using Opie yesterday :S)
11:09.29AMDok thanks have done it!
11:09.39pjprijsAllright! :D
11:10.13AMDand now I've got access!
11:10.18AMDmuch thanks!
11:11.43pjprijsYou're welcome
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11:12.31AMDI'm a total beginner with this packaging software ipkg and I have several problems so are there any websites which describe it easy for beginners?
11:14.02AMDI've seen a few pages that show how to compile software to get independent from these packages but i've got windows so everything is very difficult for a OZ beginne
11:14.21pjprijsI don't know, I have used debian a long time, so haven't looked for it, but you can try to do a search on dpkg (Debian Package Manager)
11:14.27pjprijsIt works almost the same
11:14.44pjprijsbut everything you need, you can get from ipkg --help I guess
11:14.53AMDok thank you
11:15.06pjprijsipkg install <package>   installs a package
11:15.26AMDthe problem are just these dependencies they're often missed in any feed
11:15.57pjprijsiahh ok, force dependencies doesn't work?
11:16.30AMDyes but it's also because i'm using qtopia desktop
11:16.41AMDthis messy software only allows to install in root
11:16.43pjprijsMaybe you can look for ipkg repositories, or ipkg repo's, and add them to your source list, this works also the same as for dpkg
11:17.31pjprijsahh ok, there should be a script on openzaurus.org (which is down) to move the root dir to a SD card
11:17.33AMDmy Z has no own internet connection so far but this is going to be changed very soon.
11:17.58AMDnp it is available under http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net
11:18.36pjprijsAhh cool, thanks a lot!
11:18.39AMDnp
11:19.41pjprijsJust have to adjust the script, having an iPAQ instead of a Z
11:20.08AMDmoving / to somewhere else should be for me only for few installations a solution because I often need my Sl-5500 in mobile use and it's battery is to weak for long-time use
11:20.38pjprijsahh ok
11:22.02AMDmaybe there is any program for windows that can download packages with their dependencies to get them on a CF card and use them with the OZ package manager
11:22.25pjprijsdon't think so
11:22.56pjprijsbut how do you connect to your Z? USB cable?
11:23.01AMDyes
11:23.18AMDI've just bought a new router that has an usb network interface
11:23.58AMDI will also need to buy an adapter that I can connect it with this
11:24.05AMDthen everything will be easier
11:24.40pjprijsSo what's the problem, why do you need windows to get the packages? Your Z is connected to the internet itself isn't it?
11:25.11AMDyes I will do so when I've the equipment therefore
11:25.28AMDat the moment it isn't
11:25.43AMDI mean it isnt connected to the internet
11:25.48pjprijsAhh ok, but how do you make your ssh connection to the Z??
11:26.03AMDdirectly over usb
11:26.53pjprijsCan't you bridge internet to the Z over that direct USB cable? I mean your host to which it's connected has an internet connection I presume?
11:27.40AMDit has an ethernet connection to a router
11:28.05pjprijsSo it must be possible to set up your computer as a host for your Z
11:28.25pjprijsSo the Z makes use of your Computers internet connection...
11:28.35AMDto bridge these connections under windows wouldn't very complicated but on the Z maybe
11:29.33AMDI mean when I bridge these connections is the Z able to use without special configuration?
11:29.39pjprijsWell I thought there was a configuration tab, with network on it, which listed my usb port (Well that was on an iPAQ, but I think it will work the same for the Z)
11:29.57AMDyes it is
11:29.58pjprijsThe Z doesn't know it's bridged
11:30.20AMDok I will try everything possible
11:30.24AMDthx
11:30.42pjprijsIt looks for an internet connection via the USB device, and when windows is setup correctly, it finds an IP address from the host
11:30.57pjprijsyou're welcome, good luck with it !
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11:34.59AMD2this bridge doesn't allow me anymore to connect to the Z
11:35.15AMD2windows is really bad in network configuration
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11:49.48webmindr/win 37
11:49.51webmindoops
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12:08.34CoreDump|homemorning
12:09.07AMDhow can I update something with ipkg on the shell
12:11.38AMDI want to install the kernel upgrade for collie and I've to packages that i can't install with the opie package manager
12:11.48AMDhow can i do it with the bash?
12:14.18CoreDump|homeipkg -d [sd|cf] package
12:14.30AMDthx
12:15.18CoreDump|homenp
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12:39.21CoreDump|homeJustinP: testing a fresh e-image-core right now (had to trash tmp). Looking good so far
12:42.28CoreDump|homewell, something is wrong with entrance. It lets root login w/ wrong password heh
12:47.34shadowshttp://tinypic.com/view/?pic=nn8bpx  heh heh.  yes, safe for work,  it's actually funny.
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15:13.30guacahello
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18:04.59accumulatoranyone here got the link(s) to OZ3.5.4? I'd like to test!
18:11.02CoreDump|homenope, as the test images are only available to registered testers- Talk to hrw|gone to sign up
18:38.04hrwhi
18:38.15hrwaccumulator: write to test354@hrw.one.pl with ino which machine you have
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19:37.44ugaritI installed 3.5.3 and when I attempt to update pacakge info: I get ipkg_download: ERROR: Command failed with return value 1, what's wrong?  my networking is working
19:41.22CoreDump|homebut the URLs in ipkg.conf are not
19:42.10ugaritCoreDump|home: is that addressed to me? if so, I don't understand?
19:42.27ugarithow does one issue cntrl-c via the keyboard?
19:43.08ugaritgot it Fn+c
19:43.13CoreDump|homeright
19:43.40CoreDump|homethe feed was removed from oz.org, check the openzaurus.org site for the new URLs
19:44.17ugaritCoreDump|home: for some reason my dns can't find openzaurus.org
19:44.28ugaritCoreDump|home: for some reason my dns can't find openzaurus.org via my pc, I can find everything else!
19:44.51CoreDump|hometry openzaurus.sf.net
19:45.28ugaritmy battery only lasts about 25 minutes, is this "normal"?
19:45.56ugaritCoreDump|home: thanks for the url
19:46.07CoreDump|homeyou're welcome
19:46.20CoreDump|homeand no, that's not normal
19:46.38ugaritwhat is the "norm"?
19:46.52ugaritwhat is the "norm" with a cf wlan?
19:48.01CoreDump|homewell which model are you using?
19:48.19ugaritlinksys' wcf11
19:48.26CoreDump|homenahh, the Zaurus
19:48.34ugaritsl5500
19:48.50CoreDump|homeabout 1 to 1.5 hours with WLAN
19:49.02CoreDump|home25m = your battery is almost dead
19:49.30ugarithow much is a new batt?
19:49.39CoreDump|homedunno
19:49.54CoreDump|homemaybe oesf.org has some infos
19:50.05ugaritI could'nt find the new path for packages, do you have a url?
19:50.42CoreDump|homenope, sorry. it's on the frontpage of oz.org IIRC
19:51.36ugaritactually I can't remember if I have 3.5.3 or 3.5.4, how do I find that out?
19:51.44CoreDump|homethat one's easy
19:51.53CoreDump|home3.5.4 hasn't been released yet =)
19:53.33ugarit:-)
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20:03.36ugaritthat's a pretty long path wow! http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/mirror/www.openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.3/
20:04.03ugaritis anyone having problem connecting to openzaurus.org?
20:04.39ugaritok, I'm in vi how do I issue the 'ESC' command?
20:07.38CoreDump|homecancel
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20:21.37ugaritcancel, how?
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20:22.55tubbie|homethe cancel button
20:23.07tubbie|homethen :wq
20:23.22tubbie|homeor some other vi command
20:30.20JustinPCoreDump|home: I don't think that's an entrance problem...try giving root a password.
20:30.32JustinPCoreDump|home: I think when a user has no pw it let you login with anything
20:30.51CoreDump|homeJustinP: right, that's exactly the case
20:30.58JustinPCoreDump|home: I thought I had e-image all working but it seems something is missing a dep.....
20:31.01ugarittubbie:home thanks
20:31.20JustinPxmonobut says: configure: error: Could not find pkg-config entry for libMB
20:33.41ugaritCoreDump|home: so I need to replace ipkg.conf entries with http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/mirror/www.openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.3/ ?
20:33.52CoreDump|homecorrect
20:35.18JustinPCoreDump|home: WTF, I fixed that problem yesterday!
20:35.55CoreDump|homeJustinP: check the logmessage...it was a merge dammit!
20:36.18JustinPoh
20:36.37JustinPI was just surprised to see a fix for something I'd already fixed...
20:36.44JustinPand I did see the log message...
20:40.59JustinPoh well, it's fixed either way
20:41.23CoreDump|homeright
20:42.30JustinP<PROTECTED>
20:42.33JustinPbah
20:42.48JustinPI suppose I could try moving it to stable and stabilize it there
20:42.57JustinPshould probably do that....it needs to be done pretty soon
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20:44.18ugaritI can't believe that an ftp client is not installed by default
20:45.27CoreDump|homeugarit: your ROM is only 16Mb, can't do an awful lot with that
20:45.40ugaritmine is 64
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20:46.44CoreDump|homeI thought you were someone else
20:46.44hrw|afkugarit: which device you have?
20:47.02hrw|afkugarit: you told that you have 5500
20:47.18ugarit5500 with 64 MB
20:47.27hrw|afkugarit: 64M RAM, 16M flash
20:47.35hrw|afkflash is used for keeping software
20:47.45CoreDump|homemehh
20:47.52ugaritI see, pardon my ignorance :-)
20:47.58CoreDump|homeso you are the one I thought your were
20:48.16ugaritnow I understand what you meant
20:48.49JustinPugarit: use an SD card for root
20:49.12ugaritJustinP: thanks, I'm actually doing that
20:55.16ugaritdoes the ipkg.conf allow variables?
20:56.34hrw|afkhmm.. what do you think about posts like NOTE: package openttd-0.4.0.1-r0: task do_build: started
20:56.37hrw|afkNOTE: package openttd-0.4.0.1-r0: task do_build: completed
20:56.40hrw|afkops.
20:56.56hrw|afkhmm.. what do you think about posts like this: http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=17679&view=findpost&p=114579 on pdaX part of OESF?
20:58.04CoreDump|homehrw: I like it =)
20:59.11hrwlike someone on #oe told few days ago: pdaX develusers build this or that - we have 80%of it in Oe already
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21:46.46ugarithow does one make the default installation medium sd instead of root?
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21:48.01hrwmake it first in ipkg.conf
21:48.17ugarithrw thanks
22:02.45ugaritvirtually all my package installations state that there is an error in linking, why would this be happening?
22:14.59ugaritanyone?
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22:26.34ugaritI installed knights and I can run it via the commandline but not via the GUI, how do I fix that problem?
22:28.59CoreDump|homerestart opie sothe icon shows up
22:33.00ugaritCoreDump|home it already shows up, but does'nt start via the GUI
22:33.17ugaritthis must be related to the linking errors I mentioned
22:33.34CoreDump|homecould be, yes
22:34.03ugaritwould you happen to know why the linking would be failing?
22:34.33CoreDump|homewrong FS on SD/CF card would be my guess
22:35.16ugaritok, that might be it, my sd is vfat!! I guess it should be ext2
22:35.51ugaritis there a way to determine what was installed on the sd so I can uninstall gracefully
22:37.03ugaritsome of the things that I installed on the vfat/sd work via the gui
22:37.05CoreDump|homewhy uninstall when you'll have toformat the disk anyway?
22:37.24JustinPugarit: yes, but you don't *really* need to worry about it
22:37.27ugaritCoreDump|home would'nt the installed mediume list be wrong then
22:37.40JustinPugarit: ipkg-link unmount sd
22:37.48CoreDump|homenope as it is kept on the card
22:37.49JustinPugarit: then reformat it ;-)
22:38.04JustinPugarit: FYI, though, I believe it's usr/lib/ipkg/status
22:38.06JustinPon the card
22:38.08CoreDump|homeinfo for rom is on rom,info for CF / SD is on CF / SD
22:38.25ugaritJustinP: what does ipkg-link do?
22:39.13ugaritI guess i should make ext3, is that right?
22:39.23tubbie|homeext2
22:39.26CoreDump|homeext2 is fine
22:39.40tubbie|homejournaling is not good for sd card
22:39.50ugaritok, thanks guys
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22:41.33ugaritok, I did mkfs.ext2 /dev/mmcda1 and when I try to mount I get failed invalid argument I did mount /media/card
22:42.34CoreDump|homethat's an OZ bug
22:42.42CoreDump|homeyears old for that matter
22:42.50ugaritsoulution?
22:42.55CoreDump|homemount /dev/mmcda1 /media/card
22:43.15CoreDump|homeor edit fstab and remove the "user" option for the sd card
22:43.15ugaritsuperb, worked, thanks again buddy
22:43.23CoreDump|homeyou're welcome
22:43.34JustinPCoreDump|home: I wasn't aware of that problem....hmmm....
22:44.01CoreDump|homeJustinP: it's a bug in busybox mount, it doesn't support the option
22:44.16CoreDump|homeusing the "real" mount fixes it
22:45.14ugaritCoreDump|home: I must edit fstab for the mounting to automatically work at bootup?
22:46.10CoreDump|homeno
22:46.23CoreDump|homefstab isn't used for the auto-mounter
22:47.10ugaritis see
22:47.27CoreDump|homeFIY: that's /etc/sdcontrol's job.
22:47.40JustinPCoreDump|home: perhaps someone should fix the fstab?
22:49.24CoreDump|homeI offered to do that maybe a year ago and was attacked by the OE gods. Don't remember why but it is good for "something". As Hentges has this fixed for ages I don't really care =)
22:50.49ugaritCoreDump|home: no more linking problems :-)
22:50.55CoreDump|home=)
22:51.10ugaritlet's see if this good behavior continues
22:51.15ugarit:-)
22:52.04CoreDump|homebbl
22:53.01ugaritwhat's bbl
22:53.23JustinPbe back later
22:53.52ugaritdinner time :-)
22:56.51ugaritso long everyone, and thank you for your superb help
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