02:46.08 | Timelord | Dammit. |
02:46.19 | Timelord | All I can get my Zaurus to do is crash. :P |
02:46.56 | Timelord | Can't format/partition/mount the microdrive to save my life. Package manager is one crashy mofo. Gah. |
02:46.58 | Timelord | DOOM |
02:47.34 | Timelord | I need to get this working for my trip tomorrow. The thought of being without any form of computer is giving me the shakes as is. |
02:56.55 | simcop2387 | hmm |
02:57.19 | simcop2387 | Timelord: i've learned to use ipkg instead of the package managers, works much better imo |
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06:11.48 | JustinP | Timelord: yes, don't use the GUI package managers |
06:11.53 | JustinP | Timelord: use ipkg command-line |
07:53.02 | shadows | holy crap, osb-jscore cvs HEAD from today compiles with gcc4 |
07:53.04 | shadows | ! |
07:53.05 | shadows | yay |
07:53.40 | JustinP | yay |
08:03.14 | shadows | C++ code taking an exponentially longer period of time to compile than C code |
08:03.47 | shadows | woooh, it is going, going... |
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08:31.33 | Mardy | hi all |
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08:57.41 | shadows | hey |
08:57.44 | shadows | sleepy time for me |
08:58.36 | JustinP | soon for me too |
09:20.12 | JustinP | night |
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10:28.39 | guaca | could anybody tell me where can I download openzaurus?? |
10:40.04 | webmind | as soom as the website is online, there I guess? |
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10:42.53 | pjprijs | Hello everybody, just one simple question, I can't reach the openzaurus.org website, is it possible the ip address changed? Can someone provide me with the current IP address of the website? |
10:44.49 | webmind | doesn't even resolve here |
10:44.54 | webmind | I think there is a problem |
10:45.28 | pjprijs | OK, I'm trying for a couple of days now, and indeed nslookup didn't give me the answer either... |
10:45.57 | webmind | coupld of days ? |
10:46.00 | webmind | that's bad |
10:46.21 | pjprijs | Yes, started friday or thursday, don't know exactly |
10:46.36 | pjprijs | I guess it was friday |
10:47.45 | pjprijs | Who controls the server?? Some sort of Openzaurus developers group? |
10:48.08 | pjprijs | Or is it the property of Sharp? |
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11:01.34 | AMD | please help me with ssh |
11:01.51 | AMD | I've got OZ 3.5.3 connected to windows xp |
11:01.59 | AMD | I want to use ssh |
11:02.20 | AMD | i configured the Windows HyperTerminal to connect the Zaurus on Port 22 |
11:02.35 | AMD | now everything it shows me is "SSH-2.0-dropbear_0.45" |
11:02.38 | AMD | I cant login! |
11:02.53 | pjprijs | Why HyperTerminal, I advice you to download putty |
11:03.01 | pjprijs | And have you installed ssh or sshd? |
11:03.04 | pjprijs | You need sshd |
11:03.14 | AMD | on the zaurus or windows? |
11:03.39 | pjprijs | On windows, download the program Putty, on the Zaurus install sshd |
11:03.41 | AMD | on the zaurus I've got dropbear isn that enough? |
11:04.01 | AMD | ok I will do so |
11:04.37 | pjprijs | No dropbear should be enough sorry |
11:04.46 | AMD | ok thx |
11:05.05 | AMD | another problem |
11:05.15 | AMD | I haven't defined a root password |
11:05.20 | AMD | but its asking me for |
11:05.26 | pjprijs | Doesn't matter |
11:05.35 | pjprijs | login as root |
11:05.48 | AMD | unfortunately it shows me access denied |
11:05.56 | pjprijs | That's strange |
11:06.22 | AMD | I've installed the dropbear security upgrade whatever it brings it must be in connection with this I think |
11:06.59 | pjprijs | I guess, but can't you set the root password on your Zaurus first? |
11:07.13 | AMD | ok I will do so |
11:07.24 | pjprijs | Maybe it doesn't allow empty passwords, most of the sshd don't allow it |
11:08.10 | AMD | sorry to ask but how do I change the pwd of a logged on root user on Linux |
11:08.37 | pjprijs | start a terminal |
11:08.41 | pjprijs | then type passwd |
11:09.10 | pjprijs | (Maybe there is another way in Opie, but I started using Opie yesterday :S) |
11:09.29 | AMD | ok thanks have done it! |
11:09.39 | pjprijs | Allright! :D |
11:10.13 | AMD | and now I've got access! |
11:10.18 | AMD | much thanks! |
11:11.43 | pjprijs | You're welcome |
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11:12.31 | AMD | I'm a total beginner with this packaging software ipkg and I have several problems so are there any websites which describe it easy for beginners? |
11:14.02 | AMD | I've seen a few pages that show how to compile software to get independent from these packages but i've got windows so everything is very difficult for a OZ beginne |
11:14.21 | pjprijs | I don't know, I have used debian a long time, so haven't looked for it, but you can try to do a search on dpkg (Debian Package Manager) |
11:14.27 | pjprijs | It works almost the same |
11:14.44 | pjprijs | but everything you need, you can get from ipkg --help I guess |
11:14.53 | AMD | ok thank you |
11:15.06 | pjprijs | ipkg install <package> installs a package |
11:15.26 | AMD | the problem are just these dependencies they're often missed in any feed |
11:15.57 | pjprijs | iahh ok, force dependencies doesn't work? |
11:16.30 | AMD | yes but it's also because i'm using qtopia desktop |
11:16.41 | AMD | this messy software only allows to install in root |
11:16.43 | pjprijs | Maybe you can look for ipkg repositories, or ipkg repo's, and add them to your source list, this works also the same as for dpkg |
11:17.31 | pjprijs | ahh ok, there should be a script on openzaurus.org (which is down) to move the root dir to a SD card |
11:17.33 | AMD | my Z has no own internet connection so far but this is going to be changed very soon. |
11:17.58 | AMD | np it is available under http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net |
11:18.36 | pjprijs | Ahh cool, thanks a lot! |
11:18.39 | AMD | np |
11:19.41 | pjprijs | Just have to adjust the script, having an iPAQ instead of a Z |
11:20.08 | AMD | moving / to somewhere else should be for me only for few installations a solution because I often need my Sl-5500 in mobile use and it's battery is to weak for long-time use |
11:20.38 | pjprijs | ahh ok |
11:22.02 | AMD | maybe there is any program for windows that can download packages with their dependencies to get them on a CF card and use them with the OZ package manager |
11:22.25 | pjprijs | don't think so |
11:22.56 | pjprijs | but how do you connect to your Z? USB cable? |
11:23.01 | AMD | yes |
11:23.18 | AMD | I've just bought a new router that has an usb network interface |
11:23.58 | AMD | I will also need to buy an adapter that I can connect it with this |
11:24.05 | AMD | then everything will be easier |
11:24.40 | pjprijs | So what's the problem, why do you need windows to get the packages? Your Z is connected to the internet itself isn't it? |
11:25.11 | AMD | yes I will do so when I've the equipment therefore |
11:25.28 | AMD | at the moment it isn't |
11:25.43 | AMD | I mean it isnt connected to the internet |
11:25.48 | pjprijs | Ahh ok, but how do you make your ssh connection to the Z?? |
11:26.03 | AMD | directly over usb |
11:26.53 | pjprijs | Can't you bridge internet to the Z over that direct USB cable? I mean your host to which it's connected has an internet connection I presume? |
11:27.40 | AMD | it has an ethernet connection to a router |
11:28.05 | pjprijs | So it must be possible to set up your computer as a host for your Z |
11:28.25 | pjprijs | So the Z makes use of your Computers internet connection... |
11:28.35 | AMD | to bridge these connections under windows wouldn't very complicated but on the Z maybe |
11:29.33 | AMD | I mean when I bridge these connections is the Z able to use without special configuration? |
11:29.39 | pjprijs | Well I thought there was a configuration tab, with network on it, which listed my usb port (Well that was on an iPAQ, but I think it will work the same for the Z) |
11:29.57 | AMD | yes it is |
11:29.58 | pjprijs | The Z doesn't know it's bridged |
11:30.20 | AMD | ok I will try everything possible |
11:30.24 | AMD | thx |
11:30.42 | pjprijs | It looks for an internet connection via the USB device, and when windows is setup correctly, it finds an IP address from the host |
11:30.57 | pjprijs | you're welcome, good luck with it ! |
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11:34.59 | AMD2 | this bridge doesn't allow me anymore to connect to the Z |
11:35.15 | AMD2 | windows is really bad in network configuration |
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11:49.48 | webmind | r/win 37 |
11:49.51 | webmind | oops |
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12:08.34 | CoreDump|home | morning |
12:09.07 | AMD | how can I update something with ipkg on the shell |
12:11.38 | AMD | I want to install the kernel upgrade for collie and I've to packages that i can't install with the opie package manager |
12:11.48 | AMD | how can i do it with the bash? |
12:14.18 | CoreDump|home | ipkg -d [sd|cf] package |
12:14.30 | AMD | thx |
12:15.18 | CoreDump|home | np |
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12:39.21 | CoreDump|home | JustinP: testing a fresh e-image-core right now (had to trash tmp). Looking good so far |
12:42.28 | CoreDump|home | well, something is wrong with entrance. It lets root login w/ wrong password heh |
12:47.34 | shadows | http://tinypic.com/view/?pic=nn8bpx heh heh. yes, safe for work, it's actually funny. |
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13:12.27 | alan|home | s/gales/games |
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15:13.30 | guaca | hello |
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18:04.59 | accumulator | anyone here got the link(s) to OZ3.5.4? I'd like to test! |
18:11.02 | CoreDump|home | nope, as the test images are only available to registered testers- Talk to hrw|gone to sign up |
18:38.04 | hrw | hi |
18:38.15 | hrw | accumulator: write to test354@hrw.one.pl with ino which machine you have |
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19:37.44 | ugarit | I installed 3.5.3 and when I attempt to update pacakge info: I get ipkg_download: ERROR: Command failed with return value 1, what's wrong? my networking is working |
19:41.22 | CoreDump|home | but the URLs in ipkg.conf are not |
19:42.10 | ugarit | CoreDump|home: is that addressed to me? if so, I don't understand? |
19:42.27 | ugarit | how does one issue cntrl-c via the keyboard? |
19:43.08 | ugarit | got it Fn+c |
19:43.13 | CoreDump|home | right |
19:43.40 | CoreDump|home | the feed was removed from oz.org, check the openzaurus.org site for the new URLs |
19:44.17 | ugarit | CoreDump|home: for some reason my dns can't find openzaurus.org |
19:44.28 | ugarit | CoreDump|home: for some reason my dns can't find openzaurus.org via my pc, I can find everything else! |
19:44.51 | CoreDump|home | try openzaurus.sf.net |
19:45.28 | ugarit | my battery only lasts about 25 minutes, is this "normal"? |
19:45.56 | ugarit | CoreDump|home: thanks for the url |
19:46.07 | CoreDump|home | you're welcome |
19:46.20 | CoreDump|home | and no, that's not normal |
19:46.38 | ugarit | what is the "norm"? |
19:46.52 | ugarit | what is the "norm" with a cf wlan? |
19:48.01 | CoreDump|home | well which model are you using? |
19:48.19 | ugarit | linksys' wcf11 |
19:48.26 | CoreDump|home | nahh, the Zaurus |
19:48.34 | ugarit | sl5500 |
19:48.50 | CoreDump|home | about 1 to 1.5 hours with WLAN |
19:49.02 | CoreDump|home | 25m = your battery is almost dead |
19:49.30 | ugarit | how much is a new batt? |
19:49.39 | CoreDump|home | dunno |
19:49.54 | CoreDump|home | maybe oesf.org has some infos |
19:50.05 | ugarit | I could'nt find the new path for packages, do you have a url? |
19:50.42 | CoreDump|home | nope, sorry. it's on the frontpage of oz.org IIRC |
19:51.36 | ugarit | actually I can't remember if I have 3.5.3 or 3.5.4, how do I find that out? |
19:51.44 | CoreDump|home | that one's easy |
19:51.53 | CoreDump|home | 3.5.4 hasn't been released yet =) |
19:53.33 | ugarit | :-) |
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20:03.36 | ugarit | that's a pretty long path wow! http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/mirror/www.openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.3/ |
20:04.03 | ugarit | is anyone having problem connecting to openzaurus.org? |
20:04.39 | ugarit | ok, I'm in vi how do I issue the 'ESC' command? |
20:07.38 | CoreDump|home | cancel |
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20:21.37 | ugarit | cancel, how? |
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20:22.55 | tubbie|home | the cancel button |
20:23.07 | tubbie|home | then :wq |
20:23.22 | tubbie|home | or some other vi command |
20:30.20 | JustinP | CoreDump|home: I don't think that's an entrance problem...try giving root a password. |
20:30.32 | JustinP | CoreDump|home: I think when a user has no pw it let you login with anything |
20:30.51 | CoreDump|home | JustinP: right, that's exactly the case |
20:30.58 | JustinP | CoreDump|home: I thought I had e-image all working but it seems something is missing a dep..... |
20:31.01 | ugarit | tubbie:home thanks |
20:31.20 | JustinP | xmonobut says: configure: error: Could not find pkg-config entry for libMB |
20:33.41 | ugarit | CoreDump|home: so I need to replace ipkg.conf entries with http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/mirror/www.openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.3/ ? |
20:33.52 | CoreDump|home | correct |
20:35.18 | JustinP | CoreDump|home: WTF, I fixed that problem yesterday! |
20:35.55 | CoreDump|home | JustinP: check the logmessage...it was a merge dammit! |
20:36.18 | JustinP | oh |
20:36.37 | JustinP | I was just surprised to see a fix for something I'd already fixed... |
20:36.44 | JustinP | and I did see the log message... |
20:40.59 | JustinP | oh well, it's fixed either way |
20:41.23 | CoreDump|home | right |
20:42.30 | JustinP | <PROTECTED> |
20:42.33 | JustinP | bah |
20:42.48 | JustinP | I suppose I could try moving it to stable and stabilize it there |
20:42.57 | JustinP | should probably do that....it needs to be done pretty soon |
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20:44.18 | ugarit | I can't believe that an ftp client is not installed by default |
20:45.27 | CoreDump|home | ugarit: your ROM is only 16Mb, can't do an awful lot with that |
20:45.40 | ugarit | mine is 64 |
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20:46.44 | CoreDump|home | I thought you were someone else |
20:46.44 | hrw|afk | ugarit: which device you have? |
20:47.02 | hrw|afk | ugarit: you told that you have 5500 |
20:47.18 | ugarit | 5500 with 64 MB |
20:47.27 | hrw|afk | ugarit: 64M RAM, 16M flash |
20:47.35 | hrw|afk | flash is used for keeping software |
20:47.45 | CoreDump|home | mehh |
20:47.52 | ugarit | I see, pardon my ignorance :-) |
20:47.58 | CoreDump|home | so you are the one I thought your were |
20:48.16 | ugarit | now I understand what you meant |
20:48.49 | JustinP | ugarit: use an SD card for root |
20:49.12 | ugarit | JustinP: thanks, I'm actually doing that |
20:55.16 | ugarit | does the ipkg.conf allow variables? |
20:56.34 | hrw|afk | hmm.. what do you think about posts like NOTE: package openttd-0.4.0.1-r0: task do_build: started |
20:56.37 | hrw|afk | NOTE: package openttd-0.4.0.1-r0: task do_build: completed |
20:56.40 | hrw|afk | ops. |
20:56.56 | hrw|afk | hmm.. what do you think about posts like this: http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=17679&view=findpost&p=114579 on pdaX part of OESF? |
20:58.04 | CoreDump|home | hrw: I like it =) |
20:59.11 | hrw | like someone on #oe told few days ago: pdaX develusers build this or that - we have 80%of it in Oe already |
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21:46.46 | ugarit | how does one make the default installation medium sd instead of root? |
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21:48.01 | hrw | make it first in ipkg.conf |
21:48.17 | ugarit | hrw thanks |
22:02.45 | ugarit | virtually all my package installations state that there is an error in linking, why would this be happening? |
22:14.59 | ugarit | anyone? |
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22:26.34 | ugarit | I installed knights and I can run it via the commandline but not via the GUI, how do I fix that problem? |
22:28.59 | CoreDump|home | restart opie sothe icon shows up |
22:33.00 | ugarit | CoreDump|home it already shows up, but does'nt start via the GUI |
22:33.17 | ugarit | this must be related to the linking errors I mentioned |
22:33.34 | CoreDump|home | could be, yes |
22:34.03 | ugarit | would you happen to know why the linking would be failing? |
22:34.33 | CoreDump|home | wrong FS on SD/CF card would be my guess |
22:35.16 | ugarit | ok, that might be it, my sd is vfat!! I guess it should be ext2 |
22:35.51 | ugarit | is there a way to determine what was installed on the sd so I can uninstall gracefully |
22:37.03 | ugarit | some of the things that I installed on the vfat/sd work via the gui |
22:37.05 | CoreDump|home | why uninstall when you'll have toformat the disk anyway? |
22:37.24 | JustinP | ugarit: yes, but you don't *really* need to worry about it |
22:37.27 | ugarit | CoreDump|home would'nt the installed mediume list be wrong then |
22:37.40 | JustinP | ugarit: ipkg-link unmount sd |
22:37.48 | CoreDump|home | nope as it is kept on the card |
22:37.49 | JustinP | ugarit: then reformat it ;-) |
22:38.04 | JustinP | ugarit: FYI, though, I believe it's usr/lib/ipkg/status |
22:38.06 | JustinP | on the card |
22:38.08 | CoreDump|home | info for rom is on rom,info for CF / SD is on CF / SD |
22:38.25 | ugarit | JustinP: what does ipkg-link do? |
22:39.13 | ugarit | I guess i should make ext3, is that right? |
22:39.23 | tubbie|home | ext2 |
22:39.26 | CoreDump|home | ext2 is fine |
22:39.40 | tubbie|home | journaling is not good for sd card |
22:39.50 | ugarit | ok, thanks guys |
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22:41.33 | ugarit | ok, I did mkfs.ext2 /dev/mmcda1 and when I try to mount I get failed invalid argument I did mount /media/card |
22:42.34 | CoreDump|home | that's an OZ bug |
22:42.42 | CoreDump|home | years old for that matter |
22:42.50 | ugarit | soulution? |
22:42.55 | CoreDump|home | mount /dev/mmcda1 /media/card |
22:43.15 | CoreDump|home | or edit fstab and remove the "user" option for the sd card |
22:43.15 | ugarit | superb, worked, thanks again buddy |
22:43.23 | CoreDump|home | you're welcome |
22:43.34 | JustinP | CoreDump|home: I wasn't aware of that problem....hmmm.... |
22:44.01 | CoreDump|home | JustinP: it's a bug in busybox mount, it doesn't support the option |
22:44.16 | CoreDump|home | using the "real" mount fixes it |
22:45.14 | ugarit | CoreDump|home: I must edit fstab for the mounting to automatically work at bootup? |
22:46.10 | CoreDump|home | no |
22:46.23 | CoreDump|home | fstab isn't used for the auto-mounter |
22:47.10 | ugarit | is see |
22:47.27 | CoreDump|home | FIY: that's /etc/sdcontrol's job. |
22:47.40 | JustinP | CoreDump|home: perhaps someone should fix the fstab? |
22:49.24 | CoreDump|home | I offered to do that maybe a year ago and was attacked by the OE gods. Don't remember why but it is good for "something". As Hentges has this fixed for ages I don't really care =) |
22:50.49 | ugarit | CoreDump|home: no more linking problems :-) |
22:50.55 | CoreDump|home | =) |
22:51.10 | ugarit | let's see if this good behavior continues |
22:51.15 | ugarit | :-) |
22:52.04 | CoreDump|home | bbl |
22:53.01 | ugarit | what's bbl |
22:53.23 | JustinP | be back later |
22:53.52 | ugarit | dinner time :-) |
22:56.51 | ugarit | so long everyone, and thank you for your superb help |
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