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03:02.22shadows:/  still waiting for my serial cable
03:02.43JustinPshadows: still haven't touched your bbs....:-/
03:59.47JustinPshadows: would you like me to try your bb files now?
03:59.57JustinPshadows: I finally have my build env back up to "normal"
04:00.08JustinPshadows: they don't include any more "rebuild all of tmp" libs, right?
04:02.00CoreDump|afkJustinP: kexec worked fine here. 2.6 -> 2.6 worked perfectly, 2.6 -> 2.4 crashed due to the kernel bug with jffs2. FWIW I used the kexec patch from the mailing list
04:02.24JustinPCoreDump|afk: read my e-mail ;-)
04:02.40JustinPCoreDump|afk: works for me now. I was missing a trailing \n from my defconfig file
04:02.50CoreDump|afkahh
04:03.07JustinPCoreDump|afk: works fine for me too, but I have to kexec -f. Normal kexec reboots and rebooting with 2.6 causes my Z to power off (shutdown)
04:03.14JustinPdoes your akita reboot?
04:03.55CoreDump|afkwith kexec -e yes, otherwise nope
04:04.00JustinPshadows: grrrr...all of that osb stuff that takes forever to compile....
04:04.06JustinPCoreDump|afk: -e?
04:04.22CoreDump|afkyep
04:04.27JustinPwhat is -e?
04:05.33CoreDump|afkwell, -l for load and -e for execute IIRC.
04:05.33CoreDump|afkcant check ATM
04:05.33JustinPah yes
04:05.33JustinPwhat if you "init 6", does it reboot ok?
04:05.33JustinP(no kexec, just init 6)
04:06.22CoreDump|afknope
04:06.27CoreDump|afkreboot = halt normally
04:06.37JustinPmeaning it shuts down, right?
04:06.45CoreDump|afkyes
04:06.56JustinPand do you have to use kexec -f?
04:07.00CoreDump|afkno
04:08.12CoreDump|afkas I understand it, the device isn't _really_ rebooted, only the kernel is replaced which _looks_ like a reboot. Maybe that's the reason it works for me
04:08.39JustinPno, not for me
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04:08.50CoreDump|afkbut ATM I can't build any images as my kernel-modules do not set the correct provides grrr
04:09.00JustinPif I do "kexec zImage...." it attempts to shut down my current instance
04:09.34CoreDump|afkI do kexec -l /boot/zImage-2.4 ; kexec -e
04:09.40JustinPx stops, shutdown scripts are called, and it does the same as a reboot for me
04:10.04CoreDump|afkit doesn't go through INIT at all with -e =)
04:10.12JustinPhmmm....
04:10.49CoreDump|afkI wish kernel 2.4 would work here =(
04:11.16JustinPyeah, that flash stuff is a bummer
04:11.27JustinPworks perfectly for me
04:12.26JustinPwhen/where are you calling kexec?
04:12.34CoreDump|afkI traced the oops to the function it happens (at least I think so) but I am not able to solve it
04:12.47JustinPhmmm...interesting...
04:12.59CoreDump|afkJustinP: tried runlevel -1 and 5, both worked
04:13.02JustinPkexec -l zImage; kexec -e does the same as kexec -f zImage
04:13.13CoreDump|afkheh really?
04:13.16JustinPyes
04:13.27JustinPbut kexec zImage attempts to reboot first...
04:13.29CoreDump|afkIIRC --help mentioned a difference? ahh who cares lol
04:13.55JustinPI need to add a mini-alt boot to my bootup in 2.6 to boot into 2.4
04:14.26JustinPheh
04:14.51JustinPmount -o remount,ro /; sync; kexec
04:14.53CoreDump|afkyeah, well I was thinking how I should implement kexec in altboot. I would like to set a new kernel on a per-image selection
04:15.03JustinPhmmmm
04:15.18JustinPNAME-rootfs.bin; NAME-zImage.bin
04:15.23CoreDump|afks/image/boot option
04:15.33JustinPoh, menu-wise you mean...
04:15.37CoreDump|afkindeed
04:15.51JustinPKERNEL_1, KERNEL_2, etc?
04:16.06JustinPor rather 25_KERNEL, 00_KERNEL?
04:16.06CoreDump|afklike boot SD card / Choose kernel. If none is selected, use default
04:16.30CoreDump|afkI'll just have the user copy the kernels into /boot
04:16.41JustinPyou could have kernels in a directory and give a choice like rootfs bins
04:16.43CoreDump|afkthen prompt a list with their names for selection
04:16.45CoreDump|afk=)
04:16.48JustinPyeah
04:17.21CoreDump|afkonce I can compile images again, I'll work on that
04:17.29JustinPoh, I've been meaning to mention (or fix) it would be nice if altboot uses the default that it would auto-choose the image as well...
04:17.50JustinPwould also be nice to have the last chosen value saved for image menus
04:17.57JustinPbut it's not that big a thing ;-)
04:18.09CoreDump|afkI was thinking about adding that, too
04:18.28JustinPis altboot 2.6 ready?
04:18.31CoreDump|afkah well, my ToDo list is too big =)
04:18.41JustinPyeah.....
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04:19.00CoreDump|afkaltboot is working perfectly with 2.6. I didn't verify 2.4 for a long time though
04:19.11JustinPhehehe
04:19.16CoreDump|afk=)
04:19.18JustinPperhaps I should try it on my 2.6 image
04:19.33CoreDump|afkwell, spitz is a special case hehe
04:19.48JustinPI suppose it is....
04:20.01JustinPnot really with 2.6, though
04:20.03CoreDump|afkthe scripts for spitz need some TLC
04:20.04JustinPit boots from hda1
04:20.10CoreDump|afkright
04:20.24JustinPbut it's already mounted, so....
04:20.31CoreDump|afkbut altboot should be able to boot both as long as OZ provides both
04:21.05CoreDump|afkwith 2.6 you should be able to use altboot_akita
04:21.16JustinPyeah...
04:22.09CoreDump|afkwell, time to trash tmp...
04:28.52CoreDump|afkor not muahaha
04:32.40JustinPhehe
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04:38.00CoreDump|afkfor some retarded reason my Provides: for kernel modules are set to "module_name-2.6" while it should ne "module_name"
04:39.43JustinPI read that earlier
04:39.47JustinPstrange problem
04:40.28CoreDump|afkwell, the function is in python but as i see it, the "-2.6" is added when PARALLEL_INSTALL_MODULES = 0 or 1
04:40.41CoreDump|afkoz.conf sets PARALLEL_INSTALL_MODULES so....
04:41.06CoreDump|afkI'm too lazy to check if oz.conf was changes recently =)
04:51.21JustinPit was but nothing I can see which would set that
04:56.45CoreDump|afkhmm i edited the line where it sets rprovides to PKG-KV and still have the problem
04:57.14JustinPyou sur eyou reparsed?
04:58.23CoreDump|afkwell no
04:58.39CoreDump|afkbut reparsing for a bbclass change shouldn't be required
04:59.09CoreDump|afk<PROTECTED>
04:59.39CoreDump|afkscrew this, I'm trashing tmp
05:03.28CoreDump|afkwhen I get back from work bitbake -k opie-image gpe-image e-image-core task-hentges-core should be finished
05:06.01JustinPCoreDump|afk: changing a bbclass *does* require a reparse
05:06.13JustinPat least in my experience
05:06.17CoreDump|afkheh really?
05:06.30CoreDump|afkoh well, rm -rf is already running
05:06.38JustinPand "reparse" only works if you change the specific bbfile
05:06.48JustinPif you change a bbclass or an inc "reparse" doesn't work
05:07.09JustinPI tried to figure out how to make reparse deal with deps as well but I couldn't figure it out....
05:07.15JustinP(I implemented reparse ;-)
05:07.23JustinPstill useful
05:08.11CoreDump|afk=)
05:08.30CoreDump|afkI reparse with touch ../conf/dist/$my_conf
05:09.13JustinPwell, "parse" in the shell works fine
05:09.13CoreDump|afkgotta go to work, cya
05:09.21JustinPand re-starting the shell
05:09.26JustinPand bitbake -b ....
05:09.29JustinPlater
05:33.34shadowshrm
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08:03.57_law_hi
08:04.39_law_have display on/off on clamshell open/close works now :-) build an .bb file already
08:09.34_law_no i?ll add autorotate
08:10.41johnXoooh
08:10.43johnXcool
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08:42.03_law_ok autorotate also works now with gpe
08:42.43JustinP_law_: what did you do to fix it?
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08:46.29_law_JustinP, chkhinge26 has new syntax (also wrote a shell script around)
08:46.38_law_and a init script
08:50.22JustinPinit script?
08:50.32JustinPdid you do a shell script like mine?
08:50.40JustinPwith xrandr?
08:50.55_law_JustinP, yes for rotation
08:51.04JustinPhow it is triggered?
08:52.19_law_JustinP, chkhinge26 always outputs the current state so i only have to do:
08:52.21_law_if [ $1 = "3" ]; then
08:52.21_law_<PROTECTED>
08:52.22_law_<PROTECTED>
08:52.22_law_<PROTECTED>
08:52.22_law_fi
08:52.47JustinP_law_: I understand that, but how is your shell script triggered?
08:53.43JustinP_law_: are you running it manually?
08:54.05_law_JustinP, no i start it via an initscript on system startup
08:54.19JustinP_law_: ah. So it doesn't auto-rotate, then
08:54.40_law_sure if i rotate my clamshell
08:55.00JustinPbut you said it's started by an init script...init scripts are only run on init....
08:55.12JustinPso how is it triggered?
08:56.00JustinPwhen you rotate your clamshell, how it the script run?
08:56.00_law_the init scripte starts chkhinge26 + my scipt
08:56.27_law_chkhinge26 runs in the background
08:56.37JustinPso you're saying it's a daemon....
08:56.49_law_yes like a daemon
08:56.52JustinPok
08:56.58JustinPwell, chkhinge wasn't a daemon
08:57.08JustinPand you said it had a shell script run around it
08:57.09JustinPanyway
08:57.17JustinPI don't really care how it works....
08:57.34JustinPjust get it checked into OE so I can check it with my spitz ;-)
08:57.34_law_i can post .bb + scripts if you want
08:58.10JustinPI used keylaunch, chkhinge, xrandr, and shell scripts under kernel 2.4
08:58.33_law_JustinP, i?ll add it into bugzilla so you can add it into OE ok?
08:58.40JustinP_law_: ok
08:58.47JustinP_law_: I'll try to check it out tomorrow
08:58.52JustinPtime for bed
08:59.08_law_JustinP, good night
08:59.49hrw|workn8 JustinP
09:02.52_law_JustinP, i?ll to some testing an will post .bb files later
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12:13.11pgasare you guys aware/have tried/use this kernel switcher thing: http://tinyurl.com/8j7ef
12:13.42pgas(note in japanese and I can't use online translator right now)
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12:21.26ashikasepgas: interesting
12:23.45pgasashikase: well, i found this thanks to you :)
12:24.23pgasit's just a click from the bluetooth hack you have posted on oesf.org
12:24.31ashikaseah, heh
12:24.40hrw|workpgas: we have better thing in 2.6 now
12:24.49hrw|workpgas: kexec
12:25.14pgascan it boot 2.4 kernel?
12:25.21hrw|workyes
12:25.34pgasand other OS?
12:26.04hrw|workit boot kernel - what kernel will use as rootfs is kernel decision
12:26.25hrw|workdevs keep 2.4 rootfs in flash and use 2.6 with uDrive or SD
12:26.39pgasis this kexec documented somewhere?
12:26.56hrw|workyes - but you need 2.6.15 from .dev
12:27.30pgashmm the devs boot 2.6 from 2.4?
12:28.00hrw|workno - you turn on machine, 2.6 boots. then you can use kexec to boot 2.4
12:28.26pgasah the rootfs for 2.4 in on the flash
12:29.56hrw|workyep
12:30.02pgasinteresting as someone tried to boot say a bsd?
12:33.26pgasif I want to try this I need to build my kernel with oe?
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12:49.35hrw|workbsd kernels are different
12:49.52hrw|workand iirc openbsd use linux kernel on Z to boot
12:50.53pgasyes
12:51.36pgasI think that the kernel module used for booting openbsd works only for the 3000
12:52.05hrw|workif it has source then it will work on all cxx00 rather
12:52.26hrw|workthey differ at details in machine hardware (but sharp can make it worse)
12:52.43pgasI'm not so sure, I think they use some magic values
12:55.37pgasC-860 support has not been tested in a long while, too many pxa270 specific
12:55.38pgaspieces have been added and broke it. Eventually support will be added back,
12:55.40pgasbut not yet.
13:03.19pgas^^ this is from a cvs changelog
13:08.50hrw|workmyabe
13:08.52hrw|workmaybe
13:09.02hrw|workI do not plan to test openbsd at all on Z
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13:22.34trucmuchhello
13:22.39hrw|workho trucmuch
13:27.04trucmuchI have a little pb with vnc ... I cant click with my mouse when I log from my desktop into the zaurus ...  exept that everything seems to be OK .... can anybody help
13:28.17trucmuchLittle precision : oz hentges (ROM do_nou_use from january) SL5500
13:29.15hrw|workloaded kbdsim module? or what does fbvnc need
13:30.22trucmuchI look
13:30.54trucmuchno
13:32.47trucmuchis there something to be with fbvncinput
13:34.05hrw|workthere was something like fbvnc-kmodule package
13:34.10hrw|workI never used vnc
13:34.24hrw|worklunch time
13:35.17trucmuchthanks .... bon appetit
13:36.04XorAtrucmuch: which Z?
13:36.35XorAtrucmuch: oh I see missed message above
13:36.46trucmuchno pb
13:37.06XorAtrucmuch: yeah, hrw|work is right, there should be some kernel module installed
13:38.24trucmuchthanks I'm going to launch "fbvncinput"
13:49.36trucmuchthanks a lot, now the keyboard is working fine but it is the same with the mouse click
13:51.44XorAI seem to remeber vnc used to proxy the ts and inject events into a pipe
13:51.53XorAI doubt this was fixed for OZ chsanges
13:53.31trucmuchdoes it meen I no more need to look at
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13:53.58XorAtrucmuch: someone needs to investigate it, I dont have a 5500 or fbvnc so I cant
13:56.17trucmuchXorA: the fbvncsplash command doesn't work .... I dont konw wath it is exept that it is launch before fbvncserver
13:56.59trucmuchXorA: could it bee a cause (sorry if it is stupid)
13:57.09XorAtrucmuch: its been 2 years since I last ran fbvnc, I can barely remeber
13:57.34trucmuchhihi ...
13:57.37trucmuchsorry
14:04.35hrw|workand that soft is not maintained
14:04.44hrw|workas most of qtopia related stuff
14:05.42XorAwell gpe has x11vnc
14:05.44XorAmuch easier
14:06.56hrw|workx11 enviroment has many things made cleaner, easier.
14:07.05hrw|workqtopia enviroment is more pda-ish
14:07.21XorAhrw|work: x11 env has advantage of 20 years of "stuff" (tm)
14:07.45hrw|workmatchbox-desktop suxx compared to opie launcher, panel lack 'taskbar'
14:07.53hrw|workXorA: over 20y
14:10.52trucmuchThe  thing is I installed 20 different version in two weeks (oz/gpe, oz/opie, 3.5.3 3.5.4RC ) for sure I prefer gpe with X11 but I couldn't install a web browser and nor sync my calendar with mozilla calendar
14:11.28trucmuchis there a way to run X // to opie
14:12.37trucmuchor better run opie app under X
14:12.44trucmuchperaps stupid
14:17.43trucmuchfor an almost novice, is there a gpe release runing a web browser today on a collie, and olso a
14:17.58trucmuchok let I go right now
14:18.10trucmuchwifi too
14:18.25XorAtrucmuch: the best combo is gpe image and install gpe-mini-browser on SD card
14:18.42XorAtrucmuch: speed wise that is, doesnt support SSL or downloads though
14:19.25trucmuchwhich version of gpe with which oz
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14:19.53XorAtrucmuch: I think OZ 3.5.4 test5 (hrw can confirm) and gpe-mini-browser should be in the feeds
14:20.10hrw|workthey are
14:20.25XorA~curse minimo
14:20.26ibotMay you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, minimo !
14:21.35trucmuchand where cana I find the test5 version
14:22.07hrw|workmail test354@hrw.one.pl with machine info
14:22.34trucmuchok thanks I do it wright now
14:31.45hrw|worktrucmuch: sent info
14:33.35trucmuchthanks
14:34.25hrw|workremember that this are test images - you are expected to give feedback
14:36.28trucmuchok I will... but again I'm not a developer but anyway I agree that it is the minimum I can do
14:37.27hrw|workyou know: it works for me, it does not
14:37.36hrw|workit worked before, now it does not
14:37.50hrw|workit did not worked, works now
14:38.00hrw|workor: wow! it has altboot!!
14:38.03hrw|work;P
14:38.15XorAtrucmuch: non developer feedback is just as valuable, as non devs see things in a different manner
14:40.25hrw|workI think that non-devel is more valuable even - more users use OZ then devels
14:40.40hrw|workbut devels usually can faster fix annoyances
14:43.47trucmuchXorA: I agree
14:45.36trucmuchThe link to the script to move rootfs in SD from openzaurus site seems to be down, can you give me a piste
14:48.11NA|Zzzshadows: You around?
14:48.40XorAhrw|work: is altboot in default images these days?
14:49.33hrw|workin collie
14:49.44hrw|worktrucmuch: that script is obsolete now
14:49.51trucmuchok thanks
14:49.55hrw|worktrucmuch: even script author said this
14:50.05trucmuchhihi
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15:15.43shadowsNA|Zzz: mmhm
15:15.59shadowsNA|Zzz: going to work pretty soon though
15:16.32NA|Zzzshadows: Ah, was just going to ask about the firmware upgrade for the wireless card.. worked well enough?
15:19.01shadowsNA|Zzz: yeah, worked without a problem
15:19.22hrw|workprism2 card to 1.1.1/1.8.4?
15:19.22shadowsNA|Zzz: it's quite well documented too
15:19.37shadowshrw can confirm this
15:20.25NA|Zzzhrw|work: Yeah, prism2.. dcf-660w.. 1.1.1/1.8.4 is stable?
15:20.42hrw|workNA|Zzz: works ok with my dcf-660w
15:20.51hrw|workhttp://linux.junsun.net/intersil-prism/stories/20050802_Marcin_Juszkiewicz_DLink_DCF-660W.txt
15:21.32NA|ZzzCool.. shall give it a go then
15:23.30hrw|workhmm.. pri 1.1.4 exists
15:24.30hrw|workbut for dcf-660 1.1.1 is latest
15:25.19NA|ZzzAny special place to get the firmware, or will that site do?
15:25.31hrw|workhttp://www.red-bean.com/~proski/firmware/
15:25.47hrw|workhttp://linux.junsun.net/intersil-prism/ is howto
15:26.18shadowsNA|Zzz: you want files pk010101.hex and sf010804.hex for an DCF-660w CF card
15:26.51shadowsNA|Zzz: also, if you need a kernel module that has the needed changes i have one for the c3k
15:27.12shadowshighly recommend you build your own module though
15:27.16shadowsgood practice
15:27.19NA|Zzzshadows: Yeah, I'm building the module at present
15:27.25NA|Zzzhrw|work: Thankye
15:27.28hrw|workmodule need one option extra enabled
15:27.58hrw|workhttp://www.air-stream.org/dcf660 is  Dlink DCF-660W External Antenna Modification
15:28.13shadowshrw|work: have you done the antenna mod?
15:28.48hrw|workshadows: no - I used it to look how to open card
15:29.20hrw|workmy card has microbreaks in circuit probably - it works good only under pressure ;(
15:29.51shadowsoh :/
15:29.59shadowsgood luck NAbyss
15:31.10NA|Zzzshadows: Thanks.. it'll take a while for it all to compile.. probably an overnight job
15:32.30hrw|workremember first test does it work with firmware uploaded to ram
15:32.46NA|Zzzah, shall do
15:32.48hrw|workand you will get WPA support
15:33.28NA|ZzzWith any luck it'll fix the WEP issues I've been having.. haven't been able to associate with any WEP-enabled APs
15:36.35XorAhrw|work: could all prism2 card be firmware upload to RAM on init like prism3 cards are? Would certainly cut down WPA questions
15:37.18hrw|workXorA: rather yes
15:38.19hrw|workhttp://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=17720
15:38.39hrw|workthis time more polite ;)
15:40.11XorAhrw|work: much cooler
15:40.49hrw|worktoo many people asks about support for that cards
15:41.07hrw|workwe could get some users just because of it probably
15:42.29XorAhrw|work: if it works, Ill buy one for 802.11g support
15:42.46hrw|workI won't ;)
15:43.59XorAhrw|work: you getting married, lack of geek toys is allowable
15:44.23hrw|workyep
15:48.39XorAahah, patches pending reduced to only the perl on amd64 patch
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15:52.49hrw|workI looked at my recent OESF posts - wifi expert with one card and one AP ;P
16:00.37trucmuchhow do you do ctrl-c to break a ping under collie oz-gpe-test5
16:01.20XorAtrucmuch: open the virtual keyboard
16:01.34trucmuchI tried
16:01.37hrw|workXorA: does not work too
16:01.44hrw|worktrucmuch: close terminal
16:01.51XorAhrw|work: WHAT?????????? when did that break
16:02.03hrw|workXorA: do not know - it does not work on collie at all
16:02.21XorAhrw|work: It used to :-(
16:02.29XorAback in days I woned a collie
16:02.34trucmuchit worked with hentges
16:02.35XorAs/woned/owned
16:02.51trucmuchthanks I closed
16:03.41hrw|worksomeone with collie and gpe knowlegde can look into it
16:03.56trucmuchanyway it the wifi is staight forward ..... pings are going too fast ;)
16:04.00XorAhrw|work: I would if I had one :-)
16:04.14XorAhrw|work: it has to be an X11 keymap thing
16:05.00trucmuchif I find where can I tell
16:13.06hrw|work~lart sf.net for sloooow
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16:13.45hrw|workhttp://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/wordpress/2006/02/16/call-for-donations-for-poodle-hardware/
16:14.03XorACollie period seems so long ago
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16:45.25trucmuchdoes anybody heard about sync mozilla-calendar with gpe-calendar test5
16:46.01trucmuchI used to do it with opie calendar
16:50.55XorAtrucmuch: both use ical files do they not?
16:51.08XorAtrucmuch: and I think both can use multisync
16:54.48CoreDump|homehi
16:56.32trucmuchXorA: your are right .... but I need to merge with webdave calendars
16:57.31trucmuchXorA: with multisync and opie plugin it works great
16:58.10trucmuchXorA: do I have to steel use multisync
17:01.36trucmuchthere is a package named libmultisync-plugin-gpe in opensync website, is it what I need to use
17:02.23XorAtrucmuch: look at gpe,handhelds.org there is a tutorial there, Im sorry I must catch a train, good luck
17:02.44trucmuchthanks
17:03.22simcop2387last i tried the multisync plugin had not been updated lately, opensync has a newer one that might work but i have yet to get either to work with gpe 2.7 on OZ 3.5.4
17:03.53simcop2387i could just be having bad luck too
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