| 00:00.20 | CoreDump|home | ok I read that wrong =) |
| 00:00.39 | Gin-geRx | damn, what was that with nand restore... MD? |
| 00:01.49 | Gin-geRx | it just boots. I think I forgot how to do it |
| 00:03.35 | Gin-geRx | I can't get into service menu :) |
| 00:04.32 | CoreDump|home | http://trisoft.de/en_c3100howto.htm |
| 00:05.03 | Gin-geRx | okay, I am there |
| 00:06.03 | Gin-geRx | delete all flash data? |
| 00:06.39 | Gin-geRx | hmm |
| 00:08.18 | Gin-geRx | restoring.... |
| 00:10.19 | Gin-geRx | it says ok... :) |
| 00:12.20 | Gin-geRx | it seems to be alive ;-))) |
| 00:12.49 | Gin-geRx | time for oz now. |
| 00:14.23 | Gin-geRx | comes up, indeed, with original sharp/trisoft barking borsoi :) |
| 00:17.32 | Gin-geRx | booting... |
| 00:18.36 | Gin-geRx | I really like the console on zaurus. It looks so like the proper computer ;-) |
| 00:25.18 | Gin-geRx | Well, I can't login ;-) |
| 00:26.48 | Gin-geRx | is there a way to switch to console? |
| 00:27.38 | Gin-geRx | am I alone here? :) |
| 00:28.49 | Gin-geRx | I can only catch a glimpse of console when ctrl-alt-backspacing :) |
| 00:30.13 | Gin-geRx | heh, easy - ctl-alt-bs too many times for xdm (or whoever that is) |
| 00:30.45 | Gin-geRx | what sharp rom? I'm in oz gpe image |
| 00:31.30 | Gin-geRx | looking at .xsession-errors now |
| 00:33.19 | Gin-geRx | X connectio to :0.0 broken... |
| 00:34.08 | CoreDump|home | rm /etc/keylaunchrc |
| 00:34.22 | CoreDump|home | (if gpe login dies) |
| 00:34.59 | Gin-geRx | exactly. |
| 00:37.04 | Gin-geRx | so, is there a way to get to console withouth ctrl-alt-bs-ing several times? |
| 00:37.17 | CoreDump|home | nope |
| 00:37.29 | CoreDump|home | as there is no F1 mapped =) |
| 00:37.43 | Gin-geRx | pity. It's xmodmappable, though, I believe. |
| 00:37.52 | Gin-geRx | you don't have to use f1 for it. |
| 00:37.55 | Gin-geRx | just any key. |
| 00:38.25 | Gin-geRx | At least on 'real' X |
| 00:38.48 | Gin-geRx | just put into setup server or whatever. |
| 00:38.55 | Gin-geRx | Okay, here I am in mb :) |
| 00:39.15 | Gin-geRx | time to get connected |
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| 06:11.31 | Piete | Hey, Does anyone know of an image viewer similar to 'display' for X? Just something simple.. |
| 06:12.12 | Piete | I'm building a picture frame with my old 5500, and I would like to write a script that I can control with cron that displays images.. |
| 06:12.34 | Piete | At the moment I'm using opie-eye, but it's not too controlable/configurable.. |
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| 13:33.36 | Gin-geRx | JustinP, I just figured why you asked me if I'm still here in /query yesterday - private messages from unregistered users are blocked ;-) So I apologize in case I seemed rude and ungrateful. |
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| 16:06.19 | tanq | in the feeds . what is win4? |
| 16:09.21 | tanq | nevermind.. |
| 16:09.42 | tanq | but now .... what is xfce like on 5xxx series of z's |
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| 16:38.58 | will_90 | hi |
| 16:39.01 | will_90 | anybody there? |
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| 17:07.34 | tanq | 8nope |
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| 21:17.53 | JustinP | Gin-geRx: I'm not unregistered..... |
| 21:17.55 | JustinP | hmmm |
| 21:18.02 | Gin-geRx | I am ;-) |
| 21:18.22 | JustinP | oh, messages *to* unregistered users... |
| 21:18.26 | JustinP | did you register? |
| 21:18.38 | Gin-geRx | Nope. ;-) |
| 21:18.53 | Gin-geRx | And no, not *to* |
| 21:18.57 | Gin-geRx | I received your messages |
| 21:19.06 | Gin-geRx | It's just that my replies never reached you. |
| 21:19.47 | JustinP | oh< i see |
| 21:19.51 | JustinP | ha |
| 21:20.04 | Gin-geRx | But, I think I will not go for OZ... |
| 21:20.22 | Gin-geRx | It is, actually, great for a tiny computer, but not really for PDA. |
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| 21:24.09 | Gin-geRx | And since my "computer" needs belong to shell and mostly ssh, I think I'll have to go for something more PDA-oriented. |
| 21:24.09 | Gin-geRx | for now... |
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| 21:44.16 | CoreDump|home | Gin-geRx: I'm sorry to hear that |
| 21:44.24 | Gin-geRx | CoreDump|home, Me too, in fact. |
| 21:44.53 | Gin-geRx | If I had two monsters I would definitely keep OZ on one ;-) |
| 21:44.53 | CoreDump|home | you did try GPE _and_ opie right? |
| 21:44.57 | CoreDump|home | =) |
| 21:45.01 | Gin-geRx | Of course. And more than once :) |
| 21:45.05 | CoreDump|home | he |
| 21:45.11 | Gin-geRx | I was hoping ;-) |
| 21:45.30 | CoreDump|home | opie is as close as you'll get to a "real" PDA OS (currently) |
| 21:45.42 | Gin-geRx | Yes, but it's way behind cacko. |
| 21:46.17 | Gin-geRx | At first I was scared by really ugly default windows decorations, btw. If I weren't me, that could be the end ;-) |
| 21:46.35 | CoreDump|home | heh |
| 21:47.05 | Gin-geRx | Well, in fact, I think I'll check OZ again one day. |
| 21:47.21 | Gin-geRx | or another :) |
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| 21:48.33 | CoreDump|home | choice is a wonderful thing |
| 21:48.53 | Gin-geRx | Very true! |
| 21:49.04 | Gin-geRx | But, in fact, it's a bad thing too. |
| 21:49.19 | Gin-geRx | Whenever someone asks me what linux distribution to chose I suggest BSD :) |
| 21:49.23 | Gin-geRx | FreeBSD that is. |
| 21:49.35 | CoreDump|home | lol |
| 21:50.19 | Gin-geRx | Indeed, when I wasn't as unemployed as I am now and had to deal with customers, I prefered FreeBSD on customers machines. But I use linux at home. |
| 21:50.26 | Gin-geRx | and at workplace, when I have one... |
| 21:50.33 | CoreDump|home | :\ |
| 21:50.50 | Gin-geRx | I'm running gentoo now, but for a few years I've been building up my system from scratch ;-) |
| 21:51.01 | CoreDump|home | ouch |
| 21:51.07 | Gin-geRx | Just because I was dissatisfied with everything. |
| 21:51.26 | Gin-geRx | Had a kind of ports tree. Ported pkg-install tool from BSD and used it on my machine:) |
| 21:51.39 | CoreDump|home | nice =) |
| 21:51.45 | Gin-geRx | Not that my 'ports' were like BSD ones. |
| 21:51.57 | CoreDump|home | But I'd be to lazy for LFS |
| 21:52.15 | Gin-geRx | Well, I've done my best to avoid :) |
| 21:52.38 | CoreDump|home | in fact, I'm curretnly looking for a "point and click" type of Linux distro |
| 21:52.46 | Gin-geRx | Never could use anything but slackware for longer than 10 days :) |
| 21:53.03 | Gin-geRx | Well, I do love convenient desktop as well. |
| 21:53.11 | CoreDump|home | heh my first linux was slack |
| 21:53.23 | CoreDump|home | installed from floppy =) |
| 21:53.24 | Gin-geRx | But I don't want it to take over my computer :) |
| 21:53.31 | Gin-geRx | Yes, that was it :))) |
| 21:53.40 | Gin-geRx | boot/root/a*/n*/x* :-) |
| 21:53.56 | CoreDump|home | indeed! |
| 21:53.57 | Gin-geRx | don't really remember the rest. |
| 21:54.05 | Gin-geRx | ap, I think tcl ;) |
| 21:54.13 | CoreDump|home | i did that as a total linux n00b |
| 21:54.33 | CoreDump|home | and it sucked :) |
| 21:55.01 | Gin-geRx | Me too. But I've been almost n00b to DOS as well. I just moved from pdp-11 machines ;) |
| 21:55.55 | CoreDump|home | sheesh, never even seen a pdp |
| 21:56.07 | Gin-geRx | Well, I started with punchcards! :) |
| 21:56.56 | Gin-geRx | I wasn't working with punchcards for a long, though. I moved to Russian pdp clones real soon. |
| 21:57.17 | CoreDump|home | well, what were pdp's using? |
| 21:57.35 | Gin-geRx | what do you mean? The OS? RT-11 and derivatives. |
| 21:57.43 | Gin-geRx | and RSX |
| 21:57.49 | CoreDump|home | as storage I mean? |
| 21:57.51 | Gin-geRx | But I was sticking to RT-11 family. |
| 21:57.52 | Gin-geRx | Ah |
| 21:58.08 | Gin-geRx | well, punchtapes, magnetic tapes and even disks. |
| 21:58.16 | Gin-geRx | You know these 2.9MB huge monsters. |
| 21:58.29 | Gin-geRx | and 29MB made of 10 2.9MB ones. |
| 21:58.39 | CoreDump|home | hehe |
| 21:58.50 | simcop2387 | grr, i'm having dhcp problems with busybox 1.00 and opie, /etc/resolv.conf is setup as a link to /var/run/resolv.conf which doesn't exist |
| 21:59.23 | Gin-geRx | punchtapes were fun. Not very convenient though. |
| 21:59.40 | CoreDump|home | simcop2387: well, that sounds famliar |
| 21:59.53 | Gin-geRx | But then there was an alternative - entering programs using switches on the front panel. |
| 22:00.12 | CoreDump|home | rm resolv.conf symlink and restart DHCP |
| 22:00.28 | Gin-geRx | (use it to enter bootstrap loader) |
| 22:00.48 | CoreDump|home | I've heard tales about something like that |
| 22:00.55 | CoreDump|home | may I ask how old you are? |
| 22:01.13 | Gin-geRx | Surprise - 32 (hopefully 33 in 3 days if I'm still alive). |
| 22:01.39 | Gin-geRx | But I'm lucky - Russia was somewhat behind in technology when I started, so I got to go all the way |
| 22:01.45 | CoreDump|home | ahhh |
| 22:02.06 | CoreDump|home | well, I guess "luck" is relative hehe |
| 22:02.40 | Gin-geRx | Well, it is luck, I think. Going all the way surely does help to understand things. Much better than starting to click with one-button-mouse. |
| 22:03.28 | CoreDump|home | tre |
| 22:03.33 | CoreDump|home | true |
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| 22:04.13 | Gin-geRx | I wonder why when they teach math they start with ancient math, but not when it comes to computing. |
| 22:04.45 | CoreDump|home | because youre not going to run into such an old beast these days |
| 22:05.05 | Gin-geRx | That is a problem, in fact. |
| 22:05.42 | Gin-geRx | Because people lack understanding why things are made this way and not any other. |
| 22:06.50 | Gin-geRx | Besides, it's really shame that people have no idea what 012737 000060 177566 stands for :) |
| 22:07.00 | Gin-geRx | And can't speak octal fluently :) |
| 22:07.35 | CoreDump|home | it's a bootstrap |
| 22:07.54 | Gin-geRx | no, it's output of '@' character to console :) |
| 22:08.17 | CoreDump|home | huh |
| 22:08.28 | Gin-geRx | And people can't appreciate the beauty of commands like 'inc #1' ;-) |
| 22:10.39 | Gin-geRx | And isn't pdp coder :)) |
| 22:10.54 | Gin-geRx | I am not the latter as well nowadays. But I still love that monster ;-) |
| 22:11.54 | CoreDump|home | i think i prefer my laptop heh |
| 22:12.15 | Gin-geRx | you don't know what love is! :) |
| 22:12.34 | Gin-geRx | You're material, selfish, and... contemporary! ;-) |
| 22:12.45 | CoreDump|home | oh I _love_ to hack my Z =) |
| 22:13.10 | Gin-geRx | Oh well.. Hope I will come to love it as well. |
| 22:15.14 | CoreDump|home | the 3100 is a very nice machine |
| 22:15.30 | Gin-geRx | Yup. I like it a lot. |
| 22:15.49 | Gin-geRx | Wish I could go for OZ and cacko at the same time :) |
| 22:16.03 | Gin-geRx | Maybe once I get used to internals I will find a compromize. |
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| 22:57.15 | simcop2387 | CoreDump|home: ah cool |