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| 05:27.53 | ryoohki | anyone here use irda to transfer files? i want to export a mp3 to my cell phone for a ringtone. |
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| 06:17.15 | ryoohki | anyone here use irda to transfer files? i want to export a mp3 to my cell phone for a ringtone. |
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| 06:34.28 | trucmuch_ | simcop2387: sorry i was sleeping |
| 06:36.28 | simcop2387 | heh |
| 06:37.03 | simcop2387 | i got lucky earlier with my zaurus a chair damaged the charger connector, luckily needle nose pliers bailed me out and i was able to reshape it without a short |
| 06:38.12 | trucmuch_ | simcop2387: when i do an ipkg -d sd install sylpheed (feed test5 x11 correctly pointed) i have a message nothing to do with or like |
| 06:38.49 | simcop2387 | are you sure the sd card is mounted? and that sd is a proper destination? and that its not already installed? |
| 06:39.35 | trucmuch_ | yes i already installed a lot of stuf into the sd |
| 06:40.29 | trucmuch_ | gnumeric gpdf abyword and others |
| 06:40.57 | trucmuch_ | gpe-irc wich i use now |
| 06:41.37 | simcop2387 | and you can't seem to run sylpheed? |
| 06:42.09 | trucmuch_ | not to run but to install |
| 06:42.49 | simcop2387 | trucmuch: try running it with -V 2 |
| 06:42.54 | simcop2387 | and see if it says more |
| 06:43.34 | trucmuch_ | ok i try |
| 06:44.07 | trucmuch_ | you mean running ipkg ? |
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| 06:45.29 | simcop2387 | trucmuch: yea |
| 06:47.31 | trucmuch_ | it trys a bit longer but still have sylpheed:"package not found" |
| 06:52.01 | trucmuch_ | simcop2387: thanks for the help, i have to go to work, i will continu investigate in one hour or something |
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| 06:53.27 | simcop2387 | trucmuch: sounds like it isn't there or the feed doesn't have it for some reason, you can always download the ipk yourself and do ipkg install sylpheed-etc.ipk |
| 06:54.33 | jnc | i've got my c3000 wirelessly connected via DCF-660W hardware and WPA2 encryption |
| 06:54.46 | jnc | using the new wpa_supplicant stuff i committed |
| 06:55.16 | trucmuch_ | i already tried with the url from this feed but it doesnt work |
| 06:56.18 | trucmuch_ | it shows an other error |
| 06:56.27 | ryoohki | anyone here use irda to transfer files? i want to export a mp3 to my cell phone for a ringtone. |
| 06:56.29 | simcop2387 | can't use the url if i remember correctly |
| 06:56.36 | simcop2387 | jnc: cool |
| 06:56.39 | jnc | simcop2387: very |
| 06:56.53 | simcop2387 | ryoohki: shouldn't be too hard, but i've never done it, it'll be slow though |
| 06:57.04 | jnc | next step is to chug up some GUI fun for the wpa_supplicant configuration api |
| 06:57.20 | ryoohki | doesn't seem to work at all. i'm using 3.5.4-rc |
| 06:57.24 | jnc | ryoohki: when it works, it's not fun |
| 06:57.24 | trucmuch_ | i think i was able to use it for an other package |
| 06:58.30 | simcop2387 | jnc: i'm still looking for a way to run a script when first connected to an AP |
| 06:58.36 | jnc | oh |
| 06:58.38 | jnc | why? |
| 06:58.52 | simcop2387 | jnc: automatic syncing with unison, and multisync when i get that working |
| 06:58.57 | trucmuch_ | ok i have to go, thanks again |
| 06:59.08 | jnc | sounds like a bit of a pain |
| 06:59.21 | jnc | you could do that with bluetooth |
| 06:59.21 | simcop2387 | jnc: walk by an open access point and boom everything sync automatically over ssh |
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| 06:59.33 | simcop2387 | jnc: the SL-5500 doesn't have BT |
| 06:59.41 | jnc | it's not a supported function of the WIFI capabilities |
| 06:59.53 | ryoohki | jnc, i only plan on using it at least once - alternatively, is there a way to send a smil multimedia message from the internet? i can send picture and videos from the phone to my gmail account but not the other way |
| 07:00.03 | jnc | though you could certainly spawn something based on whether an interface is up or down |
| 07:00.31 | simcop2387 | jnc: well i'm not so sure it would have to be done like that, or is wpa_supplicant constantly polling for APs? |
| 07:00.34 | jnc | ryoohki: i use an older computer loaded with Windows XP (yucK!) and a usb data cable, for my motorola v551 phone |
| 07:01.09 | jnc | simcop2387: wpa_supplicant has a list of APs and their capabilities |
| 07:01.11 | jnc | ... |
| 07:01.19 | jnc | simcop2387: you should try it yourself and see ;) |
| 07:01.35 | jnc | simcop2387: there is a command line tool wpa_cli which lets you control the wpa_supplicant gui |
| 07:01.37 | simcop2387 | jnc: but how does it know when to send a key to the server by constantly checking if the device is up? |
| 07:01.43 | jnc | sort of |
| 07:01.51 | simcop2387 | er not server, AP |
| 07:01.53 | simcop2387 | i need sleep |
| 07:01.54 | jnc | it does wpa supplicant functions |
| 07:02.39 | simcop2387 | jnc: i imagine it wouldn't be very hard to patch wpa_supplicant to run scripts when connecting to certain APs |
| 07:02.54 | jnc | you misunderstand |
| 07:03.16 | jnc | try wpa_supplicant, like i said a few lines ago, and you will see for yourself |
| 07:03.30 | ryoohki | i have a c760 which doens't have bluetooth althoguh the phone does have it |
| 07:03.57 | ryoohki | i just bought a data cable from ebay and it hasn't arrived |
| 07:03.59 | jnc | ryoohki: i have a c3000, and an USB bt adapter. that works more easily than any form of IrDA |
| 07:04.11 | ryoohki | i bet |
| 07:04.16 | ryoohki | jnc, i bet! |
| 07:04.19 | jnc | you might want to pick up a CF bt card, perhaps |
| 07:04.36 | jnc | i'd like to put mapping software on the zaurus soon |
| 07:04.53 | ryoohki | jnc, i'm waiting for the cable and also plan on buying a mmc card - even easier, except you have to turn the phone off |
| 07:04.53 | jnc | i tried out 'roadnav' program, and it works very nice on a laptop |
| 07:04.57 | simcop2387 | see what for myself? i know what it does, it handles WPA encryption, it can also affect which APs you connect to by telling it to not allow ones with certain SSID's etc. the only thing i can imagine that you're saying is that it has no idea what anything is connected to and just randomly tries to send various keys out and sees which ones work |
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| 07:05.21 | jnc | simcop2387: it is not random |
| 07:05.33 | ryoohki | alternatively, can anyone send an smil multimedia message like the phone can send from linux? |
| 07:05.44 | simcop2387 | jnc: so it knows which AP its connected to and sends the key correct? |
| 07:05.47 | jnc | the whole process is detailed in docs, and AFAIK most of those are compliant with the IEEE specs |
| 07:06.23 | jnc | simcop2387: i don't know the answer to your question(s?) |
| 07:06.27 | simcop2387 | jnc: i'm not sure what you are trying to say, that it could never be patched to allow an action to be run when it connects to an AP or that it can |
| 07:06.49 | jnc | what do you mean "connect" |
| 07:06.54 | jnc | you are not making sense |
| 07:07.05 | simcop2387 | jnc: one question, is english your native language? |
| 07:07.11 | jnc | ah, yes |
| 07:07.24 | jnc | i also read documentation |
| 07:07.44 | jnc | whereby i know that "connect" is a rather vague and unremarkable word in wifi terminology |
| 07:07.50 | simcop2387 | ok wasn't sure if i wasn't being clear or if you couldn't understand, it would seem its me, what i'm saying is this. (give me a second to type) |
| 07:10.35 | jnc | i'm not really compelled to wait around. the info is described very clearly in easy-to-find documentation. |
| 07:10.39 | simcop2387 | jnc: wpa_supplicant sends keys to the AP when the wifi card has connected (i.e. the interface has gone from down to up, correct?) once this happens it would be possible (this would require a patch/addition to wpa_supplicant) to have wpa_supplicant run certain commands when connecting to certain APs/networks allowing for something automatic to happen (in my case run a synchronization script, for other people this could be something like gr |
| 07:10.39 | simcop2387 | abbing email, or even authenticating with another server to gain full access to the network) |
| 07:11.01 | jnc | what are you asking me for |
| 07:11.22 | jnc | it is described very neatly in better words than i can explain, all over the freaking int-arrr-web |
| 07:11.25 | simcop2387 | jnc: nothing you said that it couldn't be done before because wifi doesn't support it |
| 07:11.33 | jnc | no |
| 07:11.47 | simcop2387 | [01:59] <simcop2387> jnc: walk by an open access point and boom everything sync automatically over ssh |
| 07:11.52 | simcop2387 | [01:59] <jnc> it's not a supported function of the WIFI capabilities |
| 07:12.04 | jnc | running user commands when something about "connecting" to a specific AP is not within the scope of wpa_supplicant |
| 07:12.09 | jnc | yes |
| 07:12.19 | jnc | i was referring to WIFI vs. bluetooth |
| 07:12.26 | simcop2387 | ah |
| 07:12.33 | jnc | my apologies i was not more clear on the context of that specific remark |
| 07:12.47 | simcop2387 | i hate it when two people end up on the wrong page, it ends up taking so long to get back on track |
| 07:12.49 | jnc | whatever "connecting" means |
| 07:12.54 | jnc | i have no idea what you are talking about there |
| 07:13.19 | jnc | it certainly does not sound reasonable to shoehorn into wpa_supplicant, which does a fine job of whatever the author thinks it should be doing |
| 07:13.45 | jnc | ...the function of running user commands on arbitrary conditions |
| 07:14.00 | jnc | wpa_supplicant is there to help your ass get authenticated to the AP. period. |
| 07:14.22 | jnc | it is not there to run arbitrary user commands |
| 07:14.44 | simcop2387 | and doing so may also require that some other thing happen, i've been to several places that require you to visit certain websites before you gain access to the rest of the network |
| 07:14.58 | jnc | now, if you wanted to write a program that waits for wpa_supplicant to signal that it has associated with something, and then query for the AP name, and do whatever it is you want to do.. run user commands et. al. |
| 07:15.02 | jnc | that is possible |
| 07:15.51 | jnc | it really does not belong in wpa_supplicant the function of running arbitrary user commands, do you understand that much? |
| 07:16.43 | simcop2387 | yes, i understand that, it was a suggestion, the reason i was suggesting it was that having so many things polling on a mobile device can really drain battery power |
| 07:17.14 | simcop2387 | so starting from somewhere where the polling is already done is not as bad an idea as it might originally sound |
| 07:17.27 | jnc | use a freaking USB cable to sync, if power concerns are so bad ;) |
| 07:17.43 | simcop2387 | usb cable won't work from 4000 miles away |
| 07:17.50 | jnc | neither will wifi |
| 07:18.07 | simcop2387 | jnc: it will if there is an AP where you are and you're syncing over the net |
| 07:18.13 | jnc | ? |
| 07:18.22 | jnc | so use the sync cable and set up a SLIP connection or something |
| 07:18.43 | jnc | i don't have to repeat this stuff, it's really in the hope that you are not going to whine about things i am actively working on |
| 07:18.44 | simcop2387 | jnc: you're in japan, you're at a coffee shop with wifi access, you want to sync with your computer in the US |
| 07:18.55 | simcop2387 | jnc: i'm not whining about anything |
| 07:19.41 | jnc | if you're in a coffe shop, you expect your device to automagically detect the wireless network, deduce the key, connect, run your script and so on and on without any user input |
| 07:20.31 | jnc | how about this |
| 07:20.48 | simcop2387 | detect the wireless network yes, either ask for the key from the user or if its already known use a saved one, and run the script, where did i ever imply that it would "deduce the key and do everything automagically without every being setup |
| 07:21.06 | jnc | i don't know, your words now |
| 07:21.23 | jnc | you are talking about wpa_supplicant and keys and stuff |
| 07:21.41 | jnc | get some sleep, friend |
| 07:21.46 | simcop2387 | you brought up the keys! |
| 07:21.49 | jnc | you may feel better in the morning |
| 07:22.21 | simcop2387 | i never said anything about user input before you did either |
| 07:23.58 | ryoohki | simcop2387, why not break it down into steps, check every 5 minutes for a connection to the internet - sync the machine if you can ping the machine |
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| 08:37.51 | dun4n | hi |
| 08:48.49 | trucmuch | hi |
| 09:05.37 | trucmuch | back with sylpheed install problem : that is I now tried to download the .ipk and install directly and then I have this message "Clearing state_want and state_flag for pkg=sylpheed (arch_priority=0 flag=16 want=2)" Cannot find package sylpheed. any idea |
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| 09:11.58 | hrw | morning |
| 09:12.25 | trucmuch | morning |
| 09:16.42 | trucmuch | can anybody help with sylpheed install |
| 09:17.40 | hrw|work | which device? distro? |
| 09:17.56 | trucmuch | collie gpe test5 |
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| 09:18.36 | trucmuch | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:19.02 | df00z | hrw, did you have access to a collie or poodle? |
| 09:19.14 | df00z | I saw a post on OZ's site saying you guys didn't have any access |
| 09:20.25 | hrw|work | df00z: we lack poodle |
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| 09:20.51 | hrw|work | trucmuch: probably I did not built it for armv4 (collie) only for armv5 |
| 09:20.59 | hrw|work | trucmuch: and its unusable on 320x240 |
| 09:21.26 | df00z | hrw: how much of a diff between poodle and collie is there? The keyboard, sd, and CF is the same, right? |
| 09:21.36 | df00z | and backlight/lcd stuff |
| 09:21.45 | trucmuch | ah .... is there an email soft for collie ... like the original one |
| 09:22.51 | df00z | I do have a poodle...I haven't had too much use for it lately, no 2.6 for it, and things are too buggy..like lufs, but that would probably go away with a 2.6 kerne |
| 09:23.12 | df00z | if you or mickey could make 2.6 work on it..i could lend it to either of you...if i coud get it back at least |
| 09:23.37 | df00z | or I could help do beta testing |
| 09:24.06 | hrw|work | df00z: pxa250/255 <> sa1100 and some others |
| 09:24.19 | df00z | hm |
| 09:24.29 | hrw|work | trucmuch: not for gpe |
| 09:24.58 | hrw|work | df00z: I want to release 3.5.4 and get some free time from development |
| 09:25.04 | df00z | Ah |
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| 09:25.23 | XorA | would the best plan not be to persuade RP to look at it |
| 09:26.40 | trucmuch | two weeks ago , I thaught XorA told that he had sylpheed installed under gpe |
| 09:26.50 | XorA | trucmuch: I have a c7x0 |
| 09:26.58 | trucmuch | ah sorry |
| 09:27.23 | trucmuch | So no solution to read emails under collie |
| 09:27.34 | XorA | many many years ago I ran sylpheed on debian on collie, you just cant use it, requesters are too big |
| 09:28.03 | _law_ | trucmuch, tinymail ;-) |
| 09:28.35 | trucmuch | _law_: thanks, where di I find this one |
| 09:28.42 | XorA | _law_: I tried tinymail, couldnt get it to compile in OE, looked like it missed the gtk-no-docs patch |
| 09:29.40 | _law_ | XorA, i build it via OE |
| 09:30.41 | XorA | _law_: did a change not get checked in? I will attempt again after inkscape finishes |
| 09:31.11 | _law_ | XorA, ok i try it again |
| 09:32.59 | trucmuch | or ... do you know a webmail site suported by gpe-mini-web |
| 09:36.47 | _law_ | XorA, you are right it doesnt compile anymore. perhaps some could write ah gtk-no.docs patch or use svndate 20060221 |
| 09:36.57 | _law_ | gtk-no-doc patch would be nice :-) |
| 09:37.25 | XorA | _law_: try nicking the generic one from gnome directory |
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| 09:54.06 | _law_ | XorA, NOTE: package tinymail-0.0+svn20060228: completed gtk-no.docs grom gnome does the job |
| 09:54.18 | _law_ | s/grom/from |
| 09:54.19 | XorA | _law_: wicked |
| 09:54.32 | XorA | _law_: do you have write access these days? |
| 09:54.49 | _law_ | XorA, :-( |
| 09:55.23 | _law_ | XorA, perhaps i should update my monotone key :-) |
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| 10:38.01 | _law_ | XorA, no i can commit again :-) |
| 10:38.17 | _law_ | i?ll update tinymail later |
| 10:41.05 | DataBeaver | Is the "Sleep config" thingy supposed to write ipaq-sleep.conf to my home directory? (As opposed to /etc) |
| 10:45.21 | webmind | ipaq? |
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| 10:55.59 | DataBeaver | Yeah, there's this program called ipaq-sleep in OZ. |
| 10:56.05 | DataBeaver | Don't ask me why it's named like that. |
| 10:56.20 | DataBeaver | But it apparently takes care of autosleep. |
| 11:25.02 | hrw | it is |
| 11:53.25 | hrw | ~change 1 eur to pln |
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| 12:28.44 | alan|home | morning |
| 12:28.51 | hrw | hi alan |
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| 12:33.47 | tanq | ok off to work.. |
| 12:34.31 | tanq | hrw: can you build minimo and put it in the feeds? |
| 12:34.39 | hrw | minimo is broken |
| 12:34.42 | tanq | bah |
| 12:34.53 | tanq | say it isn't so |
| 12:35.22 | tanq | well the gpe minibrowser can't be too far off |
| 12:35.32 | alan|home | hrw: is the graphic contest still open ? i'm running out of time, these days (most important exams in, my life are coming) |
| 12:35.39 | hrw | 3.5.4-test5 feeds are not full |
| 12:35.46 | hrw | alan|home: one month for it |
| 12:35.53 | tanq | what about dillo |
| 12:35.54 | alan|home | ok, thanks |
| 12:36.01 | hrw | or 1 april in other words |
| 12:36.05 | hrw | tanq: dont know |
| 12:36.39 | tanq | i need to get my oe env setup again |
| 12:36.48 | XorA | dillo dillo2 links-x11 all work |
| 12:37.01 | tanq | i didnt see dillo in the feeds for 354 |
| 12:37.13 | tanq | maybe i overlooked it... |
| 12:37.17 | XorA | tanq: http://hyboria.mine.nu/feed/ grab them quick |
| 12:37.40 | XorA | tanq: thats not a public feed and if people suck me bandwidth Ill move it |
| 12:37.42 | tanq | so quick i got a 403 |
| 12:37.47 | tanq | heh |
| 12:38.09 | XorA | tanq: its a feed, directory listing not allowed, get the Packages and use that to figure the ipk files |
| 12:38.27 | tanq | ahh..I don't have that much time right now.. |
| 12:38.34 | XorA | tanq: but i wouldnt use it as a feed as its .dev and will screw your system |
| 12:38.41 | XorA | :-D |
| 12:38.42 | tanq | yeah i dont mind.. |
| 12:38.58 | tanq | my z usually has the test stuff on it.. |
| 12:39.09 | tanq | i figure that testing is just a different mixture of bugs |
| 12:39.11 | tanq | heh |
| 12:39.47 | XorA | tanq: nah, my .dev feed is probably a Z killer |
| 12:40.06 | tanq | it only takes a few seconds to flash.. |
| 12:40.26 | tanq | but i'll get the feeds later.. i have to go to work now.. |
| 12:40.30 | tanq | thanks XorA |
| 12:40.47 | tanq | later as in next time i see you online i'll ask you about it again |
| 12:40.49 | XorA | tanq: no probs, if I had hosting Id maintain a "unstable" feed |
| 12:41.09 | tanq | how much bandwidth do the feeds normally take? |
| 12:41.21 | tanq | i can probably find another home for them. |
| 12:41.33 | XorA | tanq: no idea, I might try one day when I find a decent apache b/w module |
| 12:42.12 | tanq | what about lwn.net |
| 12:42.16 | tanq | use a traffic shaper |
| 12:42.24 | tanq | ok really i'm leaving now. |
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| 13:08.24 | alan|home | hey XorA |
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| 13:20.31 | ashikase | any ruby programmers in here? |
| 13:20.40 | ashikase | more specifically, any ruby/qte programmers? |
| 13:23.15 | webmind | ruby? |
| 13:25.56 | ashikase | yes, ruby |
| 13:26.00 | ashikase | the programming language |
| 13:26.22 | ashikase | www.ruby-lang.org |
| 13:26.26 | webmind | hmk |
| 13:26.29 | webmind | nope, not me :) |
| 13:26.41 | ashikase | too bad, fun language |
| 13:27.41 | webmind | so is perl :) |
| 13:28.54 | ashikase | ruby is the child of perl and lisp |
| 13:29.01 | ashikase | more or less |
| 13:30.35 | webmind | hmmm, sounds awkward.. but I dont know lisp |
| 13:30.48 | ashikase | neither do I :) |
| 13:30.51 | ashikase | barely touched it |
| 13:31.53 | webmind | it's like this scary thing linked to emacs users |
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| 14:10.51 | hrw | lisp.. |
| 14:10.59 | hrw | Amiga Installer scripts was lisp like... |
| 14:11.35 | ashikase | Amiga... haven't touched one of those in a _long_ time |
| 14:12.04 | webmind | waiting for delivery.... |
| 14:12.07 | webmind | a1200 |
| 14:12.20 | ashikase | er.. for how long? |
| 14:12.33 | webmind | can't remember... |
| 14:12.36 | hrw | ashikase: I sold mine 5 years ago |
| 14:13.00 | ashikase | I was never fortunate to own one personally |
| 14:13.20 | ashikase | only got to use them through friends/school |
| 14:14.35 | webmind | they're quite affordable these days |
| 14:15.13 | ashikase | but I don't really want one anymore |
| 14:16.25 | webmind | ow |
| 14:16.30 | webmind | they're nice for games :) |
| 14:16.39 | ashikase | not a gamer |
| 14:16.40 | webmind | although I've taken a liking to my DC |
| 14:16.42 | webmind | ok |
| 14:17.07 | ashikase | I used to be, but anymore I get bored of them too quickly |
| 14:17.15 | ashikase | so I quit |
| 14:17.39 | ashikase | though technically my current ruby project is a game |
| 14:56.22 | trucmuch | bye |
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| 15:39.55 | CoreDump|home | hi |
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| 16:26.36 | andres_ | hola |
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| 19:33.00 | AMD | anyone who got the current qpe-gaim version running on Oz 3.5.4 fairly stable? |
| 19:33.16 | AMD | i always get SIGSEGV when I want to connect to the jabber network |
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| 21:31.29 | mimecar | hi |
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| 23:15.39 | patientfox | hey ive poked around on the web and the forums and not had much luck... is there a messenger client (aim,yahoo,etc) for oz/opie ? |
| 23:15.53 | patientfox | any help would be appreciated. thank you.. |
| 23:21.52 | NA|Zzz | patientfox: There is a version of gaim for opie |
| 23:22.03 | NA|Zzz | That does all the main protocols |
| 23:22.43 | patientfox | neat... do i need to build it myself... i didnt spot it in the opie feed |
| 23:23.18 | NA|Zzz | It's in OE's .dev.. not sure about the feeds. |
| 23:23.48 | patientfox | i see |
| 23:23.57 | NA|Zzz | qpe-gaim's the package name |
| 23:24.10 | NA|Zzz | I don't do feeds myself.. I just build it all |
| 23:25.17 | patientfox | i see |
| 23:25.46 | NA|Zzz | What PDA do you have? |
| 23:26.39 | patientfox | 760 |
| 23:27.26 | NA|Zzz | Hmm, not sure what the support for those is like.. might be worth having a look at the 3.5.4 test images, and see if they have qpe-gaim in the feeds |
| 23:29.10 | patientfox | might look into that... i had a bit of trouble finding a link to the test images/feeds |
| 23:29.29 | patientfox | but i will soldier on... thanks for the hep |
| 23:31.25 | NA|Zzz | I think hrw's providing the test images.. |
| 23:31.45 | NA|Zzz | Jump into #oe if you can't find him here |
| 23:32.40 | patientfox | okie |