| 00:01.16 | kados | hmmm ... now none of them are working |
| 00:03.00 | kados | maybe I should reboot |
| 00:03.07 | kados | it is reporting: |
| 00:03.14 | kados | No CFXGA card |
| 00:03.21 | kados | No CFXGA card |
| 00:03.25 | hrw | ;( |
| 00:03.25 | kados | (three times) |
| 00:06.25 | kados | before it stopped working 041 was the best |
| 00:06.29 | kados | 042 didn't work |
| 00:06.30 | hrw | 050 available - show this only once |
| 00:06.34 | kados | 043 was just blank |
| 00:06.57 | kados | zaurus rebooting |
| 00:07.05 | hrw | look at 050 - should be same as 041 |
| 00:07.08 | kados | ok |
| 00:09.10 | kados | hrw: exits with no output |
| 00:09.22 | kados | hrw: (monitor screen is orange not green) |
| 00:09.41 | kados | wait ... |
| 00:09.41 | kados | forgot params |
| 00:09.58 | kados | same exact as 41 |
| 00:10.15 | kados | from 12:00a to 7:00p is visible |
| 00:10.26 | hrw | can you run 'scap' on Z so I will see how it look on Z? |
| 00:12.35 | hrw | http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/hrw/cfxga/scap.png is what you have on Z? |
| 00:14.19 | kados | screenshot was uploaded? |
| 00:14.25 | kados | does it automatically upload? |
| 00:14.45 | hrw | no - I did it from my c760 |
| 00:15.08 | kados | I ran scap and it says: |
| 00:15.20 | kados | uploaded to handheads.org |
| 00:15.29 | kados | handhelds.org I mean |
| 00:15.42 | kados | can you view it there? |
| 00:17.11 | kados | hrw: ? |
| 00:17.25 | hrw | handhelds.org scap service is fscked |
| 00:18.32 | kados | k ... I'll save locally and put on my website |
| 00:20.33 | hrw | http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/hrw/cfxga/scap.png - look at it once more |
| 00:20.41 | kados | hrw: http://kados.org/ss.png |
| 00:20.55 | hrw | when you use 050 or 041 you got only non-green part on cfxga monitor? |
| 00:21.42 | kados | hrw: check my screenshot ... I get from 12:00a to 7:00p |
| 00:22.00 | kados | hrw: (top of 12:00 to bottom of 7:00p) |
| 00:22.31 | kados | hrw: top if 12:00 is flush with top of monitor |
| 00:22.38 | kados | hrw: top of I mean |
| 00:22.57 | hrw | ok. so only 480x480 is visible |
| 00:23.04 | kados | hrw: bottom of 7:00 is about 3 inches from bottom of monitor and below it is black |
| 00:23.11 | hrw | just like I though |
| 00:23.24 | hrw | does it is rotated or not? |
| 00:23.37 | kados | not rotated |
| 00:23.59 | kados | it is square so you're probably right abotu 480x480 |
| 00:24.05 | hrw | just checked in gimp |
| 00:24.17 | kados | resolution is nice and clean |
| 00:24.21 | kados | looks great! |
| 00:24.31 | kados | if only I could see the whole screen :-) |
| 00:24.37 | hrw | tried other mode then 0? |
| 00:24.51 | hrw | 0-3 should work on VGA |
| 00:24.53 | kados | 0 and 3 are identical |
| 00:25.27 | kados | 0-4 are identical |
| 00:25.39 | hrw | 0-4 as 0,1,2,3,4? |
| 00:25.50 | kados | yes |
| 00:25.52 | kados | add 5, 6 |
| 00:26.02 | kados | 7 too |
| 00:26.14 | kados | I suspect all modes are identical :-) |
| 00:26.43 | hrw | try cfxga-util --mode X --display-off --mirror |
| 00:26.54 | hrw | where X is 0-3 |
| 00:27.38 | hrw | btw - this version will rather not work correctly on collie :) |
| 00:28.21 | kados | ok |
| 00:29.04 | kados | identical as before |
| 00:29.09 | kados | ./cfxga-util-050 --mode 3 --display-off --mirror |
| 00:29.18 | hrw | ok |
| 00:29.22 | hrw | just wanted to check |
| 00:29.26 | kados | 0-3 identical as before |
| 00:30.08 | kados | btw: refresh rate is not too bad |
| 00:30.13 | hrw | does it correctly refresh? |
| 00:30.21 | kados | about 1/4 second or so |
| 00:30.32 | hrw | now it is set to 1s rather |
| 00:30.36 | kados | ahh |
| 00:32.39 | hrw | 050a segfaults? |
| 00:34.10 | hrw | ? |
| 00:34.25 | kados | no ... |
| 00:34.30 | kados | still 480x480 |
| 00:34.34 | hrw | ok. |
| 00:34.38 | kados | but now we have the offset prob again |
| 00:34.42 | hrw | does cfxgamirror works ok? |
| 00:34.49 | kados | screen split in 3 columns now |
| 00:34.54 | kados | wait ... |
| 00:34.55 | hrw | ignore that |
| 00:34.59 | kados | it is the full screen |
| 00:35.16 | kados | no ... not the full screen |
| 00:35.21 | kados | but almost |
| 00:35.45 | hrw | cfxgamirror show 480x640 or nearly that? |
| 00:35.48 | kados | still mising the top |
| 00:35.59 | kados | cfxgamirror? |
| 00:36.24 | hrw | cfxgamirror from http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/hrw/cfxga/cfxga-tools_1.0-r0_arm.ipk package |
| 00:36.32 | hrw | you tried it yesterday iirc |
| 00:36.47 | kados | right |
| 00:36.59 | kados | very small output for that |
| 00:37.14 | kados | maybe 150x260 or something |
| 00:37.20 | kados | same size as zarusu screen in fact |
| 00:37.20 | hrw | ok. found in backlog: unreadable and side_ways |
| 00:37.26 | kados | but sideways |
| 00:37.37 | hrw | ok so my way is better |
| 00:37.46 | kados | _much_ better |
| 00:38.01 | kados | _soooo much_ better :-) |
| 00:38.18 | hrw | try 050b |
| 00:38.41 | hrw | 480x800 hack... |
| 00:38.49 | kados | Segmentation fault |
| 00:38.54 | hrw | ok as expected |
| 00:39.19 | kados | now I must reboot :-) |
| 00:39.47 | hrw | 050c - hack in other way |
| 00:40.36 | hrw | btw - which timezone you are? GMT-Y where Y is... |
| 00:40.45 | hrw | GMT+1 here (01:40) |
| 00:41.02 | kados | MGT - 5 |
| 00:41.05 | kados | GMT even |
| 00:41.10 | hrw | 18:40 at you? |
| 00:41.40 | kados | 19:40 |
| 00:42.27 | hrw | 6h difference |
| 00:42.39 | hrw | too bad.. |
| 00:43.20 | kados | ok ... |
| 00:43.34 | kados | now screen shows from 4:00a to 7:00p |
| 00:43.39 | hrw | 050c segfaults? |
| 00:43.42 | kados | (refer to screenshot) |
| 00:43.45 | kados | no segfault |
| 00:43.51 | kados | ./cfxga-util-050c --mode 3 --mirror |
| 00:44.11 | kados | I think it's still 480x480 |
| 00:44.14 | hrw | so 1/2 of screen: from 1/4 to 3/4 |
| 00:44.20 | kados | though width seems slightly different |
| 00:44.31 | kados | no ... from 3/4 to 1/4 I think |
| 00:44.45 | kados | less of the screen is showing in 050c than in 050a |
| 00:44.53 | hrw | ok expected |
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| 00:57.40 | hrw | kados: try 051 |
| 00:58.01 | hrw | it will segfault or work |
| 00:59.22 | kados | setfault |
| 00:59.34 | hrw | ok |
| 01:01.40 | hrw | 052 |
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| 01:02.42 | simcop2387 | alright a release date is set? |
| 01:03.06 | hrw | "3.5.4 expected on 2006.03.20" is in topic |
| 01:03.43 | kados | hrw: back to 12:00am to 7:00pm and 480x480 |
| 01:03.52 | hrw | kados: :( |
| 01:04.27 | kados | same with modes 0-3 |
| 01:04.39 | hrw | ok. |
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| 01:06.53 | hrw | ok. time to sleep |
| 01:07.08 | hrw | kados: try to get photo... |
| 01:07.30 | kados | ok ... I will |
| 01:07.32 | kados | hrw: thanks ! |
| 01:10.37 | hrw | cu all |
| 01:11.00 | hrw | that cfxga is easy hacking with not-easy problems ;) |
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| 01:44.52 | zach | Is it possible to build OZ from cygwin? I mean, will all the toolchains build and work? |
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| 07:56.37 | Mardy | hi all |
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| 09:40.57 | alan|home | morniiiiiiing |
| 09:43.00 | XorA | hey alan|home |
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| 14:06.59 | ewano | happy st paddys day all |
| 14:07.16 | hrw|work | you too ewano |
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| 14:07.55 | ewano | one of the few good things about living in .ie is that st paddy's day is a national holiday |
| 14:10.08 | hrw|work | ;) |
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| 15:59.21 | hrw|work | ALL: OZ 3.5.4 built |
| 15:59.53 | XorA | yabadoo, well done hrw|work and cheers for all your work |
| 16:00.29 | hrw|work | ~hail mickeyl, OE devs, OZ testers and me |
| 16:00.31 | ibot | ACTION bows down to mickeyl, OE devs, OZ testers and me and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
| 16:02.27 | hrw|work | 1.9G of data |
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| 16:11.33 | _law_|iBook | hi |
| 16:11.47 | hrw|work | hi law |
| 16:17.02 | _law_|iBook | hrw|work keylauch altgr patch is now also in :-) |
| 16:23.03 | prh | hrw|work: wow :O) |
| 16:34.55 | prh | what does that patch do? |
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| 18:39.59 | prh | hrw: so it's all built... when can we get our grubby mits on it? :O) |
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| 18:48.48 | neil_m | sup |
| 18:51.39 | hrw | tomorrow or sunday |
| 18:52.19 | neil_m | what Z's do people have |
| 18:53.53 | hrw | people has all Z |
| 18:54.08 | neil_m | huh |
| 18:54.12 | prh | hrw: cool |
| 18:57.01 | hrw | first have to hand optimize feeds |
| 19:01.49 | [cc]smart | hrw: hi |
| 19:01.59 | hrw | hi [cc]smart |
| 19:02.07 | [cc]smart | optimze feeds.... optimize feeeds.... does it mean 3.5.4 is ready ? :) |
| 19:02.42 | hrw | yes |
| 19:02.49 | [cc]smart | wayy cool |
| 19:03.02 | [cc]smart | seems i've got a project for th weekend :) |
| 19:05.34 | hrw | 11091 packages |
| 19:07.19 | hrw | I'll try to build perl before release |
| 19:07.19 | prh | wow |
| 19:25.30 | pgas | hrw: upload the list of packages somewhere, for the impatient ;) |
| 19:26.01 | hrw | ;) |
| 19:27.23 | pgas | are you going to release something like a stable oe or something with the release? |
| 19:27.33 | hrw | http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/hrw/t/oz354-packages-list.txt |
| 19:27.45 | hrw | I plan to |
| 19:31.09 | hrw | and cross-sdk |
| 19:31.58 | pgas | hey, I hope the maintainers of jasspa's micro-emacs have corrected the typo in the macros I had submitted :) |
| 19:32.17 | pgas | what no emacs! |
| 19:32.30 | pgas | Gnu Emacs |
| 19:32.37 | hrw | vim is not enough? |
| 19:32.50 | hrw | we provide OpenZaurus OS not Emacs OS |
| 19:33.02 | pgas | how do you irc without emacs? |
| 19:33.13 | hrw | pgas: add emacs into OE if you want it in OZ |
| 19:33.30 | pgas | hmm, emacs is not very cross-compile friendly |
| 19:34.16 | hrw | NOTE: package meta-sdk-1.0-r8: task do_populate_sdk: started |
| 19:34.17 | pgas | (it builds a small temacs, that uses himself to build emacs...) |
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| 19:39.47 | JustinP | yes, emacs is not very friendly to cross compilation....but maybe with some qemu/autotools magic.... |
| 19:39.57 | JustinP | and if you want it, I have an emacs ipk I built a while ago |
| 19:40.10 | JustinP | compiled *on* my zaurus....boy was that a long week |
| 19:40.56 | hrw | JustinP: we have to create kind of contrib feed for such things |
| 19:41.03 | pgas | JustinP: what z do you have??? |
| 19:41.16 | pgas | it takes far less than that on my 860 |
| 19:42.31 | pgas | it didn't take a week to compile no? |
| 19:42.44 | hrw | hmm.. feeds done, OE metadata archive created, now bitbake to archive.. |
| 19:45.17 | JustinP | hrw: would be nice.....I'd like to let people use the ipk, but it's...well....large and I don't have the hosting for such a thing |
| 19:46.29 | JustinP | pgas: I have a C3000. It took the better part of a day for the compile to finish. It wasn't a week. ;-) I had just spent a week or so trying to compile things and install the right packages... |
| 19:46.51 | hrw | JustinP: could you provide it to me? I will add it to oz354 |
| 19:47.50 | JustinP | hrw: sure. I haven't tested the ipk with 3.5.4, though :-/ Should still work fine, though. |
| 19:48.33 | hrw | JustinP: as long it is oz-unstable or oz-3.5.4-pre it should work |
| 19:50.46 | JustinP | hrw: eh....it wasn't built with OE. It was built with OE *packages* on my Z of course...I built it on 3.5.3 |
| 19:51.19 | hrw | JustinP: understood |
| 19:52.05 | JustinP | I also made 2 different package, one for emacs and one for the el files. The emacs packages has the compiled elc files |
| 19:52.35 | hrw | never pacakged emacs so you say magic to me |
| 19:52.58 | JustinP | I *should* break up the package so that most of the elc files are separated, but Idon't care enough to do that manually right now |
| 19:53.17 | JustinP | el == emacs lisp source, elc = emacs lisp byte-compiled |
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| 19:54.21 | pgas | JustinP: I have done something like that for the emacs packages here http://mail.pdaxrom.org/contrib/pgas/ |
| 19:54.30 | pgas | if it can be of some help.... |
| 19:54.31 | JustinP | BTW, this is also emacs from CVS....I had some issues with building the last packaged version at the time |
| 19:54.56 | pgas | xemacs is much better in this regard....pitty I use gnu emacs.. |
| 19:55.50 | hrw | oe-sdk-20060317204954.tar.bz2 - cross sdk |
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| 19:56.13 | JustinP | the separation looks useful....I just don't feel like doing it for this right now.... |
| 19:56.38 | pgas | JustinP: I completely understand :) |
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| 19:57.17 | hrw | Bompo: here I can say that OZ 3.5.4 is tomorrow or sunday |
| 19:57.39 | Bompo | thank you :P |
| 19:57.56 | JustinP | hrw: seems to work, although I ran out of space installing it ;-) it ran at least |
| 19:59.06 | hrw | JustinP: wow.. 9.5M package |
| 19:59.26 | hrw | quite big |
| 19:59.39 | JustinP | heh, no, that's the el files |
| 19:59.42 | JustinP | the emacs package is 15MB |
| 19:59.49 | hrw | yep. wgetting now |
| 20:00.38 | pgas | hrw: see the size of what I uploaded this morning fillets-ng-data_0.7.3_armv5tel.ipk http://mail.pdaxrom.org/contrib/merli/ |
| 20:00.44 | hrw | JustinP: feed/contrib/justinp/ it will be |
| 20:01.01 | hrw | 95.604.441 |
| 20:01.04 | hrw | OMG |
| 20:01.20 | pgas | ehe |
| 20:01.38 | pgas | I don't know how long it takes to untargz this thing :) |
| 20:01.40 | JustinP | geez |
| 20:08.35 | hrw | JustinP: fetched |
| 20:08.44 | JustinP | hrw: fun |
| 20:08.47 | JustinP | hrw: thanks |
| 20:09.29 | hrw | lack of deps ;( |
| 20:10.06 | hrw | ok. |
| 20:10.28 | hrw | I have images, feed, cross-sdk, OE metadata, bitbake - do I need something more? |
| 20:10.55 | pgas | native sdk :) |
| 20:11.00 | hrw | pgas: is in feed |
| 20:12.10 | JustinP | hrw: I forgot deps in my ipk? hmmm....well, I think it should work with default install....hopefully....can update it later if I need to I guess... |
| 20:12.33 | hrw | JustinP: if someone will try to use them then I will send it to you |
| 20:13.11 | hrw | hmm.. e17 images not built yet.. |
| 20:13.26 | hrw | but that after release |
| 20:13.40 | pgas | JustinP: you build with X or without? |
| 20:14.15 | JustinP | hrw: sorry, not sure what you mean |
| 20:14.30 | JustinP | pgas: without, I didn't want thhe added headache of trying to get all of the X dev stuff on my Z... |
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| 20:14.46 | JustinP | pgas: was hard enough as it was |
| 20:14.54 | hrw | JustinP: when users will complain about your emacs packages then I will send them to you |
| 20:15.11 | JustinP | hrw: oh, I see, np |
| 20:15.46 | JustinP | hrw: e images not built yet? Oh well, they're not official images anyway... Hopefully they'll be built soon. |
| 20:16.13 | hrw | JustinP: I have most of them in feed so it will be easy to build them from feeds probably |
| 20:16.36 | JustinP | hrw: ah, I see,...build world but not the images? |
| 20:16.43 | JustinP | hrw: yeah, it should be a simple matter then |
| 20:18.09 | hrw | gpe/opie/bootstrap built |
| 20:19.26 | JustinP | hmmmm...well...if there's an e building issue let me know...last I heard the one person who gave me a pastebin of the log was hitting a bitbake bug |
| 20:19.35 | JustinP | off to lunch |
| 20:20.21 | hrw | smacznego JustinP |
| 20:25.58 | leira | hrw, do u know the chinese version c750, model SL-7500C? the one i am just using. it seems the only difference to c750 is the keymap, and i want to write one for SL-7500C |
| 20:26.55 | hrw | ok |
| 20:27.03 | hrw | does OZ updater.sh works on it? |
| 20:27.13 | leira | if i want to put 7500's keymap into oe repo, maybe i should define a new MACHINE value~ |
| 20:27.33 | hrw | does it has other keyboard layout? |
| 20:28.05 | hrw | maybe it can be united with other c7x0 at kernel level |
| 20:29.21 | leira | updater.sh not works, but just a little modifiction. its $MODEL is SL-7500, i just added into the "case"s |
| 20:29.59 | hrw | leira: why it is not in OE yet? |
| 20:30.05 | leira | they has the same layout, but with different key definitions |
| 20:30.17 | leira | hrw? |
| 20:30.24 | leira | ? |
| 20:30.35 | hrw | leira: OE updater.sh need update for sl-7500 |
| 20:31.14 | leira | yes, and maybe some more places need update |
| 20:31.15 | hrw | SL-7500C is exact name? |
| 20:31.21 | leira | yes |
| 20:31.34 | hrw | ok. then I'll add it and update updater.sh in OZ 3.5.4 |
| 20:32.45 | hrw | + SL-7500C) ;; |
| 20:32.50 | hrw | thats all? |
| 20:32.59 | leira | --- packages/zaurus-updater/c7x0/updater.sh ffea2ad771956cbf5bd8a539db3916c1df122057 |
| 20:32.59 | leira | +++ packages/zaurus-updater/c7x0/updater.sh ac27fe449d91ba75469af8769d8e9932d56a280e |
| 20:32.59 | leira | @@ -55,6 +55,7 @@ |
| 20:32.59 | leira | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:32.59 | leira | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:33.00 | leira | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:33.02 | leira | + SL-7500) ;; |
| 20:33.04 | leira | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:33.06 | leira | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:33.10 | hrw | ah.. no C |
| 20:33.10 | leira | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:33.20 | leira | yes |
| 20:35.47 | leira | but if i add a new MACHINE value, it seems a lot of places should be modified~ eg. package zaurus-updater, it just contain a SRC_URI = "file://updater.sh line, it seems to find the right updater.sh by MACHINE value |
| 20:36.24 | hrw | its modified c750 so it should be united with other c7x0 |
| 20:36.40 | hrw | contact RP to integrate it at kernel level |
| 20:38.53 | leira | here is a pic of SL-7500C's keyboard: http://www.pconline.com.cn/digital/pda/pingce/pocketpc/0401/pic/040118_sharpz1_small010.jpg |
| 20:39.22 | leira | it is different to c750's |
| 20:39.25 | hrw | thx - will look |
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| 20:39.49 | JustinP | hrw: smacznego? |
| 20:40.02 | hrw | ~bon appetit |
| 20:40.03 | ibot | somebody said bon appetit was smacznego. Guten Appetit. Eet Smakelijk. God Appetitt. Buon Appetito. Buen apetito Bom Apetite. buen apetito |
| 20:40.31 | hrw | leira: from hardware view it is same |
| 20:40.43 | pgas | kali orexi |
| 20:40.59 | leira | yes~ it seems, but different key definitions |
| 20:41.25 | leira | and i do can use c750's keymap on it~ |
| 20:41.27 | hrw | if we ignore marks on keys then it is same? |
| 20:41.48 | leira | yes, almost~ ... or exactly |
| 20:41.52 | hrw | ok |
| 20:42.09 | hrw | btw - which 'dog name' it had? shepherd like c750 or other? |
| 20:42.10 | leira | but we need 2 diff keymap files |
| 20:42.21 | hrw | now I understand why |
| 20:42.47 | hrw | we can ship /etc/keymap-2.6.map-c7500 which user will have to rename after install |
| 20:42.52 | leira | i think shepherd is OK~ i cannot find one for it~ |
| 20:43.11 | hrw | leira: boot 2.4 and cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 20:43.20 | leira | well, it is a quick and derty way~ |
| 20:43.46 | neil_m | fo shoa |
| 20:45.24 | leira | there is problem with my zaurus's USB connection to PC after flashed oz/GPE 3.5.4, so i type the main pieces here: |
| 20:45.44 | hrw | leira: only name is needed |
| 20:45.51 | leira | Processer: XScale-PXA255 rev 6(v5l) |
| 20:46.05 | hrw | leira: Machine name |
| 20:46.08 | leira | Hardware: SHARP SHepherd |
| 20:46.16 | hrw | btw - c-7500 support pushed into .dev |
| 20:46.22 | hrw | thx. so it is shepherd |
| 20:48.08 | hrw | also into .oz354fam083 |
| 20:49.27 | leira | i have question: there os only a SRC_URI = "file://updater.sh line there, how can bb find the right file? i cannot find the codes do it~ |
| 20:49.52 | hrw | MACHINE, DISTRO and few other things override paths |
| 20:50.09 | leira | where is the code do it ? |
| 20:50.16 | leira | in class/ ? |
| 20:50.23 | leira | or in bb itself? |
| 20:50.26 | hrw | file://updater.sh could be updater.sh files/updater.sh MACHINE/updater.sh files/MACHINE/updater.sh etc |
| 20:50.37 | hrw | its in bitbake and/or bbclasses |
| 20:51.58 | leira | or could be files/PR/updater.sh? |
| 20:52.16 | leira | or could be files/PR-PV/updater.sh? |
| 20:52.21 | hrw | no |
| 20:52.30 | hrw | it can be PN-PR/updater.sh |
| 20:52.34 | hrw | PN/updater.sh |
| 20:52.55 | hrw | PN-PR/MACHINE/updater.sh or PN-PR/DISTRO/updater.sh |
| 20:53.07 | leira | sorry~ wrong spell~ |
| 20:54.20 | leira | well, i understabd now, but i still cannot find the code in bbclasses |
| 20:55.01 | hrw | magic word is 'override' |
| 20:55.50 | leira | !! |
| 20:55.51 | cdbot | leira: ?? |
| 20:56.10 | leira | found them~ thx |
| 20:56.24 | leira | cdbot ?? |
| 20:56.24 | cdbot | leira: ?? |
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| 20:59.53 | leira | hrw: there is no Ctrl and Alt in 7500's keyboard~ what's your solution? |
| 21:00.34 | hrw | on c7x0 we use japanese keys |
| 21:00.56 | hrw | [Fn] [Ctrl] [Alt] [-] [Space] |
| 21:01.19 | leira | i know it, these jap keys is no use in ENG, so, use theme is OK |
| 21:01.28 | leira | but it not the case on 7500 |
| 21:01.52 | hrw | kados: http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=17573&st=40&p=119055&#entry119055 |
| 21:02.14 | hrw | leira: then find other not-needed-for-you keys and use them |
| 21:02.53 | leira | i was thinking about it these days~ |
| 21:04.02 | leira | may be [Fn] [Ctrl] [Alt] [-] [Space] is a good idea, and we should put ":;'\"" to other [Fn]+ keys |
| 21:04.47 | leira | i mean: [Fn] [Ctrl] [Alt] [?/] |
| 21:05.20 | hrw | ; = [Fn] [G], : = [Fn][H] |
| 21:05.51 | leira | and '"? |
| 21:06.36 | leira | ' = [Fn] [Y], ? = [Fn][H] |
| 21:06.45 | leira | ' = [Fn] [Y], " = [Fn][U] |
| 21:07.36 | hrw | moment.. will run Z |
| 21:08.31 | hrw | \ = [Fn][F] |
| 21:08.57 | hrw | ? = [Shift] [?] |
| 21:09.22 | hrw | c760 has [fn][ctrl][alt][-][space][,][.] |
| 21:09.24 | hrw | ? = [Shift] [.] |
| 21:09.46 | hrw | " = [Shift][2] |
| 21:10.30 | leira | ? = [Shift] [/], \ = [Fn] [L] on 7500 |
| 21:12.19 | leira | ? |
| 21:13.09 | hrw | ?? |
| 21:13.43 | leira | where would u put "'\""? |
| 21:13.52 | leira | where would u put ['] and ]? |
| 21:13.56 | leira | where would u put ['] and ["]? |
| 21:14.45 | hrw | " I have on shift+2 |
| 21:14.53 | hrw | and ' - hmm.. |
| 21:15.10 | leira | shift+2 = @ here |
| 21:15.13 | hrw | Fn+d looks like nice place (looks like dot on c760 keyboard) |
| 21:15.30 | hrw | @ = [Fn][-] here |
| 21:15.53 | leira | Fn+d is too far to type~ |
| 21:17.15 | leira | i think ' = [Fn] [Y], " = [Fn][U] is a good idea |
| 21:21.07 | hrw | cu |
| 21:21.30 | leira | cu |
| 21:21.52 | JustinP | later hrw|gone |
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| 22:28.02 | CoreDump|home | hi |
| 22:33.08 | JustinP | yo CoreDump|home |
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