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| 07:42.57 | Mardy | hi all |
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| 09:38.53 | repa | привет |
| 09:42.23 | hrw|work | repa: no cyrylic - english please |
| 09:46.50 | tron_ | 'morning |
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| 10:04.16 | frdy | hi, i've got a problem with 'dialog' in oz3.5.4 |
| 10:05.58 | frdy | when i try to create even simple 'yesno' i get segmentation fault |
| 10:06.25 | frdy | has anyone use it with success ?? |
| 10:17.44 | lardman|work | frdy: no idea (in fact I don't even know what dialog is) |
| 10:17.50 | lardman|work | frdy: is this opie or gpe? |
| 10:18.03 | hrw|work | console |
| 10:18.18 | lardman|work | ah, it produces a dialog on the console? |
| 10:19.18 | frdy | exactly |
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| 10:20.05 | frdy | pure 'dialog' in command line works and prints help |
| 10:20.48 | frdy | but dialog --yesno text 8 16 gave me segmentation fault |
| 10:21.25 | frdy | i thought it's konsole or console issue |
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| 10:22.04 | frdy | so i tried leave opie and go to terminal mode with the same result |
| 10:26.36 | lardman|work | Is it provided by busybox, or built into bash/sh/konsole? |
| 10:27.14 | hrw|work | separate |
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| 11:38.07 | lardman|work | hmm, regarding collie builds, http://www.oesources.org/source/current/linux-sl5500-20030509-rom3_10.tar.bz2 seems to be missing/undownloadable |
| 11:38.53 | hrw|work | what about fetching from upstream? |
| 11:47.22 | lardman|work | hrw|work: dunno, it wasn't listed as an attempt |
| 11:47.46 | lardman|work | hrw|work: perhaps it was just temporarily unavailable |
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| 12:00.07 | hrw|work | we probably need to put it somewhere |
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| 12:03.35 | TheHIK | hi. which package do I need for the right key mapping on a QUERTZ keyboard on a Zaurus SL5500 with OZ 3.5.3? |
| 12:05.03 | hrw|work | keymap-locales? |
| 12:05.24 | hrw|work | oz 3.5.3? I do not support this version |
| 12:05.28 | hrw|work | update to 3.5.4 |
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| 12:22.51 | TheHIK | hrw|work: thanks. the problem is that I just downgraded to 3.5.3 because I could not get opera running :( |
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| 12:26.06 | KarlsBerg | Hi |
| 12:27.36 | KarlsBerg | need problems with the new OZ |
| 12:27.39 | KarlsBerg | ups |
| 12:27.42 | KarlsBerg | have* |
| 12:29.18 | KarlsBerg | i have a CF Sandisk ConnectPlus +128MB |
| 12:30.05 | XorA | I have that card |
| 12:30.43 | XorA | KarlsBerg: which Z btw |
| 12:30.54 | XorA | always useful to start with that info |
| 12:31.20 | KarlsBerg | on OpenZaurus 2.5.2 i put some drivers |
| 12:31.23 | TheHIK | Is opensync's opie-plugin usable for PIM synchronization / other ideas for synchronization? |
| 12:32.06 | KarlsBerg | but on this OZ on comments of the releases-notice (sorry my english is very very baaaaaad) |
| 12:32.10 | XorA | TheHIK: I used it when it was called multisync and it worked |
| 12:32.24 | KarlsBerg | a guy say me that my wifi run right on the new release |
| 12:32.41 | hrw|work | KarlsBerg: install prism3-support package (if you lack it on device) |
| 12:32.59 | KarlsBerg | buy i configure my wifi and put on CF slot and the bulb-light dont ooooon |
| 12:33.06 | KarlsBerg | but* |
| 12:33.08 | TheHIK | XorA: Are you still using it? Other have you found something better? |
| 12:33.16 | XorA | TheHIK: yeah, GPE :-D |
| 12:33.28 | KarlsBerg | XorA, how you install your cf ? |
| 12:33.51 | TheHIK | XorA: together with opensync's GPE plugin? |
| 12:33.55 | XorA | KarlsBerg: Ive never installed anything, it works on basic image |
| 12:34.08 | XorA | TheHIK: I switched to GPE, Ive not tried it since then |
| 12:34.31 | XorA | KarlsBerg: try what hrw|work suggested |
| 12:34.32 | KarlsBerg | you configure the conex wlan0 put yhe wifi on CF slot and run ok ? |
| 12:36.59 | TheHIK | XorA: ok thanks. I guess I will test the gpe plug'in tonight. Or had someone else positive/negative results? |
| 12:37.55 | XorA | TheHIK: I used multisync to sync opie<->gpe when I used to run both. But its been a year or more, also gpe gained gpe-opensync natively, I havent tried that |
| 12:41.03 | TheHIK | XorA: ah, http://www.opensync.org/wiki/GpeSync, interesting. Ok, will try it tonight, bbl |
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| 12:57.37 | KarlsBerg | XorA, its impossible if you install with any problem and i with a ident card have problems and need install modules.. |
| 13:02.09 | XorA | KarlsBerg: which Zaurus? |
| 13:02.26 | XorA | KarlsBerg: also I do not run exactly the 3.5.4 release |
| 13:03.52 | KarlsBerg | 5500 |
| 13:04.05 | KarlsBerg | what OZ ? |
| 13:04.50 | XorA | KarlsBerg: I have a c7x0, so the image is different, it is possible that the prism3-support got left out of 5500 for space reasons, hrw|work is a genius BTW always try what he says |
| 13:05.04 | KarlsBerg | i read the CF config |
| 13:05.15 | KarlsBerg | and the default driver selected is hostap_cs |
| 13:07.05 | hrw|work | KarlsBerg: ok. but prism3-support is needed to download firmware on insert |
| 13:07.13 | KarlsBerg | its hostap_cs the good drivers? |
| 13:07.40 | hrw|work | KarlsBerg: yes |
| 13:07.42 | KarlsBerg | wanna download the package or its very depends б©? |
| 13:07.59 | KarlsBerg | oh! i need go to work ! :( |
| 13:08.01 | hrw|work | KarlsBerg: do 'ipkg update;ipkg install prism3-support' |
| 13:08.14 | KarlsBerg | later i join renew |
| 13:08.21 | KarlsBerg | hrw|work, very thanks |
| 13:08.28 | KarlsBerg | now try.. bye |
| 13:08.57 | hrw|work | it takes 200K so thats why it is not on collie |
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| 13:32.39 | mrz80 | Saw something interesting at the music store last night. See, Yamaha has this funky midi-fied piano called a Disklavier, that can actually play itself. Well, Yamaha issues its dealers a Sharp Zaurus with wireless and custom software so they can remotely control the instrument from anywhere int the store, and download midi files from the 'net to play on the piano. |
| 13:34.12 | ewano | sweet |
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| 14:36.17 | tron_ | hi, all |
| 14:36.51 | tron_ | does anyone know of a howto for bluetooth-cards? Especially if they don't run out-of-the-box... |
| 14:37.52 | hrw|work | which card it is? what does 'logread' say after insert? |
| 14:38.03 | hrw|work | which device? which distro? |
| 14:40.38 | tron_ | logread was a good hint :-) "bind 'bt950_cs' to socket 1 failed: invalid argument (borzoi, 3.5.4.1) |
| 14:41.16 | hrw|work | replace bt950_cs with serial_cs in /etc/pcmcia/bluetooth.conf for that card |
| 14:41.26 | tron_ | cardctl says just "Bluetooth Card" - nothing else |
| 14:41.29 | hrw|work | then /etc/init.d/pcmcia restart |
| 14:41.33 | tron_ | ok |
| 14:41.36 | hrw|work | it also say manfid/prodid |
| 14:41.48 | tron_ | just a manfid |
| 14:41.52 | hrw|work | I usually ignore naming - manfid are important |
| 14:44.10 | tron_ | hmm, I am to replace the module name in bluetooth.conf, right? |
| 14:44.22 | hrw|work | yes - for that card only |
| 14:45.35 | tron_ | ok, so it now says "device bt950_cs" and "module serial_cs" in bluetooth.conf |
| 14:46.08 | tron_ | logread still states that error |
| 14:46.32 | hrw|work | restarted pcmcia? |
| 14:46.44 | tron_ | yup |
| 14:47.00 | hrw|work | give me manfid |
| 14:47.07 | tron_ | should I add the manfid to bluetooth.conf? |
| 14:47.27 | hrw|work | show me 'cardctl ident' output |
| 14:48.18 | tron_ | manfid 0x022d, 0x2000 |
| 14:53.55 | tron_ | ah, found a better matching entry in bluetooth.conf |
| 14:54.03 | tron_ | looks better now |
| 14:55.43 | hrw|work | you have ambicom card? |
| 14:55.48 | XorA | hrw|work: from the looks of things, a manfid for bluetooth card is useless info :-) |
| 14:56.03 | hrw|work | XorA: bt cards are useless too |
| 14:56.16 | XorA | hrw|work: I like mine |
| 14:56.27 | hrw|work | mine behaves like dead one |
| 14:56.30 | XorA | hrw|work: the real statement is bluez is fairly useless without dbus |
| 14:56.51 | tron_ | it identifies itself as a "billion bluetooth card", but actually is a noname |
| 14:56.53 | XorA | and something the other end of dbus that actually can configure the card |
| 14:57.04 | hrw|work | http://www.hrw.one.pl/2006/01/31/another-nokia-product-which-i-do-not-like/ |
| 14:57.17 | XorA | tron_: I have a "Billionton" no name card |
| 15:01.43 | tron_ | hmm, bluetooth-manager still does not recognize the card |
| 15:03.05 | XorA | tron_: it is likely you need |
| 15:03.11 | XorA | setserial /dev/ttyS3 baud_base 921600 |
| 15:03.16 | XorA | hciattach -s 921600 /dev/ttyS3 bcsp |
| 15:03.42 | tron_ | yes, I did that |
| 15:05.38 | tron_ | but, alas, it seems to work - hcitool finds my mobile |
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| 15:20.50 | tron_ | re |
| 15:27.52 | webmind | rej |
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| 16:06.50 | CoreDump|home | hi |
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| 16:09.40 | tron_ | hi |
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| 16:38.02 | webmind | hmm number keys still don't work on tosa ? |
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| 16:43.00 | webmind | not here |
| 16:43.32 | webmind | btw, setting the mac address on a ethernet card.. is that driver dependant or hardware dependant? |
| 16:43.48 | ewano | hw |
| 16:43.59 | webmind | darn |
| 16:44.54 | prh | hmmm I want to try out 3.5.4.1-alpha on a borzoi - can anyone tell me format the md should be in for updater to work correctly? |
| 16:45.31 | prh | in fact - how do I un-'encrypt' the updater? |
| 16:46.09 | CoreDump|home | webmind: both IIRC |
| 16:47.31 | CoreDump|home | webmind: well, I guess "patches welcome" describes this bug pretty much ;) Changing the kernel keymap isn't very difficult |
| 16:53.28 | webmind | CoreDump|home, I'll see if I can fix it |
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| 17:02.03 | webmind | and my packagemanager crashed |
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| 17:02.10 | webmind | ohno |
| 17:02.14 | webmind | nm :) |
| 17:05.21 | lardman|work | prh: look in the OE metadata for the updater source and encryption method |
| 17:06.32 | prh | lardman|work: yea just need to find that :O) |
| 17:08.27 | CoreDump|home | http://oz.hentges.net/openembedded/ <- browsable OE branches |
| 17:10.54 | lardman|work | Look at the zaurus-updater package/directory |
| 17:13.47 | tron_ | I guess packagemanager crashing is a frequent view ;-) |
| 17:15.46 | tron_ | btw., am I correct that "qpe" (not gpe) is still another desktop environment? |
| 17:16.21 | prh | ahh thats what I was looking for |
| 17:16.53 | CoreDump|home | correct on both counts |
| 17:17.24 | CoreDump|home | http://oz.hentges.net/openembedded/org.openembedded.oz354x/packages/zaurus-updater/borzoi/ |
| 17:17.47 | webmind | does anyone know if altboot works for the sl-6000 ? |
| 17:17.48 | tron_ | hmm, I just keep running into dependencies that want qpe-base |
| 17:18.26 | CoreDump|home | qpe-base? doesn't sound like stuff from the OZ feed.. |
| 17:18.42 | CoreDump|home | webmind: it doesn't as noone bothered to "port" it to tosa |
| 17:19.15 | webmind | darn |
| 17:19.30 | webmind | what needs to be done for it ? |
| 17:19.52 | CoreDump|home | probably not very much |
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| 17:21.08 | CoreDump|home | which kernel is used on tosa? 2.6 or 2.4? |
| 17:21.10 | prh | Ahh looks like it just dumps the whole tgz into hdx1 so it only needs one parition |
| 17:21.43 | tron_ | well, I'm looking (for example) for a better filemanager, and the ones I find request qpe-base |
| 17:21.49 | prh | I should modify the updater to look for partition LABELs and write to one called OZ-root or hdx1 |
| 17:22.27 | CoreDump|home | tron_: IIRC "qpe-base" doesn't exist on OZ for 2+ years now |
| 17:22.43 | lardman|work | It means he's using Sharp packages |
| 17:22.50 | CoreDump|home | exactly |
| 17:23.01 | lardman|work | What are they, these better filemanagers? |
| 17:23.11 | webmind | CoreDump|home, 2.4 |
| 17:23.39 | CoreDump|home | webmind: create a configuration for tosa -> http://oz.hentges.net/openembedded/org.openembedded.dev/packages/altboot/files/akita/altboot-2.4.cfg |
| 17:23.49 | CoreDump|home | use akita as an example |
| 17:25.02 | CoreDump|home | http://oz.hentges.net/openembedded/altboot/daily-snapshot/akita/2006/March/altboot_0.0.0-r26-20060319_akita.ipk then force the installation of this ipk and see how it works ;) |
| 17:25.07 | tron_ | lardman|work: well, I'd rather like one with a single window instead of the two that advanced-fm has. |
| 17:25.25 | tron_ | that advanced-fm has no configurable options at all :-( |
| 17:26.02 | webmind | CoreDump|home, hmm only difference seems to be the SD/MMC module location |
| 17:26.14 | tron_ | konqueror for zaurus, that's it ;-) |
| 17:26.51 | lardman|work | tron_: It can't be a very big hack to remove one of the screens in advanced-fm |
| 17:27.02 | prh | (under gpe) |
| 17:27.31 | CoreDump|home | webmind: http://blog.hentges.net/?page_id=36 <- this explains all the entries in the .cfg |
| 17:27.44 | webmind | thanks you |
| 17:27.47 | webmind | -s |
| 17:28.00 | CoreDump|home | prh: well, FireFox isn't very fast but pretty "decent" =) |
| 17:28.05 | CoreDump|home | np |
| 17:28.38 | tron_ | lardman|work: that's not all of it, for example it can't copy/move files with spaces in them because it doesn't escape them, and so on. |
| 17:28.45 | tron_ | What do you guys use as a file manager? |
| 17:28.52 | tron_ | except commandline, of course |
| 17:29.04 | lardman|work | command line of course ;) |
| 17:29.23 | CoreDump|home | yep, commandline |
| 17:29.37 | CoreDump|home | SSH to be precise ;) |
| 17:29.47 | lardman|work | though for Opie I have used advanced-fm. I never noticed the names with spaces issue |
| 17:30.05 | lardman|work | because I tend to add underscores as it makes life easier |
| 17:30.38 | tron_ | me, too, normally. just stumbled across it as I needed to move some ebooks ;-) |
| 17:30.56 | tron_ | btw., does the fish-protocol work for you? |
| 17:30.59 | lardman|work | CoreDump|home: Do you know how to mount an image that's too large for my available flash? i.e. e-image |
| 17:31.36 | tron_ | with write-i/o's I always get 0-byte-files even scp works |
| 17:32.01 | CoreDump|home | lardman|work: not having a working altboot on c7x0 makes that rather difficult heh |
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| 17:34.45 | webmind | CoreDump|home, how do I force install it ? |
| 17:34.55 | CoreDump|home | umm |
| 17:35.13 | CoreDump|home | --force-all or something like that |
| 17:35.28 | CoreDump|home | me Z is screwed ATM so I can't check |
| 17:35.32 | webmind | k |
| 17:37.05 | webmind | CoreDump|home, I get cannot find package altboot, which is odd since I just tell it the file name |
| 17:37.29 | lardman|work | CoreDump|home: Ah, okay |
| 17:37.54 | CoreDump|home | thats just the normal error-message of ipkg. If _anything_ goes wrong you get this message |
| 17:37.55 | webmind | I can give the total error message but I don't want to flood (about 7 lines) |
| 17:38.01 | webmind | lovely |
| 17:38.09 | webmind | get the same with -force-defaults |
| 17:38.16 | lardman|work | ~pastebin |
| 17:38.17 | ibot | rumour has it, pastebin is a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel - try http://pastebin.com/, or http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 17:38.19 | lardman|work | is an option |
| 17:38.28 | CoreDump|home | lardman|work: it is of course doable but would cost you a lot of nerves and sweat |
| 17:38.58 | lardman|work | CoreDump|home: Yeah, JustinP wanted me to test the enlightenment stuff, but then went quiet when I asked how :) |
| 17:38.59 | CoreDump|home | edit /etc/ipkg/arch.conf and insert "akita" there |
| 17:39.09 | CoreDump|home | hehe |
| 17:39.17 | webmind | http://pastebin.com/616426 |
| 17:39.20 | CoreDump|home | you are on c7x0 right? |
| 17:39.20 | webmind | that's what I get |
| 17:39.49 | CoreDump|home | webmind: editing arch.conf should fix that |
| 17:39.53 | webmind | ok |
| 17:43.50 | webmind | ok |
| 17:43.56 | webmind | installed.. and config editted |
| 17:44.06 | webmind | if I don't change anything it should boot from the default ? |
| 17:44.23 | webmind | (that is besides the kernel modules) |
| 17:44.24 | CoreDump|home | correct |
| 17:44.33 | CoreDump|home | normal boot should work in any case |
| 17:44.39 | webmind | ok |
| 17:44.43 | webmind | let's test it |
| 17:47.22 | CoreDump|home | lardman|work: you could try http://oz.hentges.net/openembedded/altboot/latest-snapshot/c7x0/ |
| 17:47.29 | CoreDump|home | it is completely untested however |
| 17:47.36 | CoreDump|home | normal boot should still work |
| 17:48.00 | webmind | altboot seems to work.. except it asks for a number :) |
| 17:48.34 | CoreDump|home | heh |
| 17:50.28 | webmind | what manages the keyboard layout on OZ with console and opie ? |
| 17:51.04 | CoreDump|home | oh lol |
| 17:51.15 | CoreDump|home | tosa = screwed numbers.... |
| 17:51.35 | CoreDump|home | /etc/keymap-2.4.conf or something like that |
| 17:53.50 | CoreDump|home | webmind: http://blog.hentges.net/?page_id=33 should bring you up to speed with keymaps |
| 17:54.58 | lardman|work | Isn't there a package that needs to be installed to create the keymap file? |
| 17:56.42 | CoreDump|home | the keymap should already be there |
| 17:58.35 | webmind | the file is there |
| 17:59.13 | CoreDump|home | well, then get the keycodes for the keys which represent numbers and make these keycodes print numbers when used with "Fn" |
| 17:59.14 | polyonymous | lardman|work, isn't it vi? |
| 17:59.40 | lardman|work | polyonymous: ? |
| 18:00.00 | polyonymous | lardman|work, the package that needs to be installed to create the keymap file ;-) |
| 18:00.05 | lardman|work | polyonymous: Ah, I see what you mean. No, I didn;t mean that :) |
| 18:00.18 | webmind | well.. they keycode is different when pressed with fn |
| 18:00.22 | webmind | -y |
| 18:00.30 | webmind | is there a way to unser a keycode ? |
| 18:00.34 | webmind | unset |
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| 18:06.53 | CoreDump|home | webmind: do other "Fn" combinations work? |
| 18:08.41 | webmind | yes |
| 18:09.18 | webmind | which accoording to showkeys works the same way |
| 18:09.58 | CoreDump|home | write down the keycodes of all keys which represent numbers without using Fn |
| 18:10.09 | webmind | with or without fn ? |
| 18:10.13 | CoreDump|home | without |
| 18:10.59 | webmind | then what ? |
| 18:11.53 | CoreDump|home | then edit the keymap, search for the keycodes you noted down and make that keycode emmit the right number by placing the number in the "row" for Fn in that file |
| 18:12.12 | webmind | is that the 3rd row ? |
| 18:14.47 | CoreDump|home | ok ignore that |
| 18:14.53 | CoreDump|home | use the following |
| 18:15.18 | CoreDump|home | altgr keycode $KEYCODE_FOR_NUMBER_ONE = 1 |
| 18:15.33 | CoreDump|home | altgr keycode $KEYCODE_FOR_NUMBER_TWO = 2 |
| 18:15.36 | CoreDump|home | etc |
| 18:16.05 | webmind | so the keycode for 'q' ? |
| 18:16.11 | webmind | since that is what the 1 is under |
| 18:16.16 | CoreDump|home | correct |
| 18:16.47 | webmind | no effect |
| 18:16.50 | CoreDump|home | of course not =) |
| 18:17.03 | CoreDump|home | dropt to a VT, then use "loadkeys /etc/keymap" |
| 18:17.15 | CoreDump|home | afterwards it should work |
| 18:19.41 | webmind | it doesn't |
| 18:19.47 | webmind | but I have found the solution |
| 18:19.56 | CoreDump|home | in a VT outside opie? |
| 18:20.16 | webmind | yes |
| 18:22.21 | webmind | showkey gives you 30 + 46 (while y the button where the 6 is under is keycode 25) |
| 18:22.21 | webmind | so setting the altgr option for keycode 46 to 6 helps |
| 18:23.23 | CoreDump|home | keycode 46 = six ampersand |
| 18:23.33 | CoreDump|home | thats from your current keymap |
| 18:23.38 | webmind | yes |
| 18:23.41 | webmind | and should be: |
| 18:23.48 | CoreDump|home | altgr 46 |
| 18:23.49 | webmind | keycode 46 = six ampersand six |
| 18:23.56 | CoreDump|home | ahh |
| 18:23.59 | lardman|work | night guys |
| 18:24.05 | CoreDump|home | n8 lardman|gone |
| 18:24.09 | webmind | altgr keycode 46 = six |
| 18:24.12 | webmind | is the same thing |
| 18:24.14 | webmind | gnite lardman|gone |
| 18:25.06 | CoreDump|home | webmind: can you confirm that "keycode 46 = six ampersand six" fixes the problem for you? If so I'l push it into OE |
| 18:25.27 | webmind | it does in the VT |
| 18:25.33 | webmind | but if you give me a few more secs |
| 18:25.37 | webmind | I'll do some more tests |
| 18:25.41 | CoreDump|home | ok |
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| 18:27.38 | webmind | btw, after few secs my backlight dims when I'm using the VT |
| 18:27.45 | webmind | is there a console tool to control that? |
| 18:28.50 | CoreDump|home | not that I knew of, but shutting down opie avoids the dimming |
| 18:29.01 | webmind | hm |
| 18:29.21 | webmind | anyway... just rebooted.. with this keymap it works correctly |
| 18:29.30 | CoreDump|home | great |
| 18:29.34 | webmind | indeed |
| 18:29.56 | webmind | now see if it works with altboot (should ofcourse) |
| 18:30.01 | webmind | and fix my sd root |
| 18:31.00 | webmind | that works |
| 18:31.16 | webmind | but my terminal isn't all to good |
| 18:31.23 | webmind | backspace gives ^H |
| 18:31.51 | CoreDump|home | ugh |
| 18:31.57 | webmind | and first thing i see when booting OZ is: stty: standard input: Bad filedescriptor |
| 18:32.06 | CoreDump|home | that can be ignored |
| 18:32.09 | webmind | ok |
| 18:32.17 | webmind | working backspace would be nice :) |
| 18:32.33 | CoreDump|home | map it =D |
| 18:32.42 | webmind | hm |
| 18:32.52 | CoreDump|home | keycode 31 = BackSpace |
| 18:32.55 | webmind | indeed |
| 18:32.57 | webmind | that is set |
| 18:32.59 | CoreDump|home | check if BS really is 31 |
| 18:33.41 | webmind | it is |
| 18:33.46 | webmind | and it works in opie-console |
| 18:33.47 | CoreDump|home | hmmm |
| 18:34.08 | CoreDump|home | now what would cause BS to be printed as ^H |
| 18:34.19 | webmind | bad terminal settings :) |
| 18:34.33 | CoreDump|home | well, these should be identical to any other Z |
| 18:35.04 | webmind | hmm, should fix me some diner... brb |
| 18:37.40 | webmind | re |
| 18:39.11 | webmind | delete does work |
| 18:39.20 | webmind | BS doesn't |
| 18:50.30 | CoreDump|home | webmind: so hows altboot going? |
| 18:50.47 | webmind | does anyone know in which package is the 'file' app is ? |
| 18:50.53 | CoreDump|home | your keymap is commited btw |
| 18:50.55 | webmind | CoreDump|home, trying to make an image |
| 18:50.59 | webmind | cool :) |
| 18:51.18 | CoreDump|home | hmm |
| 18:52.08 | webmind | hmm, would a gpe-image-3.5.4-tosa.initrd.bin file work as image aswell ? |
| 18:52.36 | CoreDump|home | nope because that is a jffs2 file |
| 18:52.42 | webmind | darn |
| 18:52.51 | webmind | is there a gpe rootfs image somewhere ? |
| 18:52.59 | CoreDump|home | your only option is to d/l a tar.gz rootfs image and install it w/ atboot |
| 18:53.58 | webmind | ok |
| 18:54.16 | webmind | btw, do you know stable e is on the Z ? |
| 18:55.19 | CoreDump|home | not very |
| 18:55.28 | CoreDump|home | it's mostly eye-candy |
| 18:55.48 | webmind | hmk |
| 18:55.58 | webmind | I'll stay with gpe/opie for a while then |
| 18:56.02 | JustinP | it works just fine...on spitz |
| 18:56.05 | CoreDump|home | worth a try tho. The eye-candy _rocks_ |
| 18:56.11 | webmind | hmm ok |
| 18:56.15 | webmind | well got enough space |
| 18:56.17 | JustinP | I need people to test (and fix) on other platforms |
| 18:56.19 | webmind | 512mb SD card |
| 18:56.24 | CoreDump|home | =D |
| 18:56.27 | JustinP | I expect there are dependency issues |
| 18:56.30 | webmind | JustinP, I'll see then |
| 18:56.32 | JustinP | please, try it and let me know |
| 18:56.57 | webmind | I'm creating one 256mb base image first |
| 18:57.09 | webmind | then some test stuff |
| 18:57.25 | sparek | is there an e-mail client for the zaurus that will automatically check for new messages every minute or every so often? Does opie-mail support this? |
| 18:57.36 | webmind | sparek, yes |
| 18:57.53 | sparek | or does the qtmail program do this? I don't see where its configurable |
| 18:58.18 | webmind | sparek, in the default opie setup you have an applet which checks your mail on an interval |
| 18:58.24 | webmind | en informs you if there is mail |
| 18:59.10 | sparek | is it possible to install opie with the original sharp rom OS? or is it better to switch to OpenZaurus? |
| 18:59.11 | webmind | sparek, settings -> edit settings -> taskbar applet |
| 18:59.22 | webmind | OZ works best imho |
| 18:59.31 | sparek | I don't have opie installed |
| 19:00.30 | sparek | is it possible to switch back to the sharp rom OS after installing OpenZaurus? in case something were to go wrong or other issues pop up? |
| 19:00.48 | webmind | afaik it is possible |
| 19:00.57 | webmind | I don't see why you would want to though |
| 19:01.23 | sparek | well, I may not want to, I'd just like to have that flexibility |
| 19:02.20 | webmind | ok |
| 19:02.34 | sparek | can I just use the Backup option in the default Zaurus setting to create a backup image to a SD? and use it to restore, if for whatever reason I decide to switch back? |
| 19:03.00 | sparek | I've had the zaurus for a while, just haven't played with it a whole lot |
| 19:04.23 | webmind | no idea |
| 19:14.59 | sparek | I see two different zImages for the 3.5.4 OZ release, one is zImage.bin-pxa250, the other is zImage.bin-pxa255, what is the difference? which should I use? |
| 19:15.51 | webmind | what kind of Z do you have ? |
| 19:16.32 | sparek | its the SL-5600 |
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| 19:22.31 | webmind | dunno bout that |
| 19:22.44 | webmind | I think it depends on what cpu you have |
| 19:22.45 | webmind | ? |
| 19:22.54 | JustinP | sparek: look up the CPU for the 5600... |
| 19:22.58 | JustinP | ~poodle |
| 19:22.59 | ibot | i heard poodle is sharp sl-b500/5600, or a dog |
| 19:23.06 | JustinP | :-P |
| 19:24.48 | CoreDump|home | ah, the black sheep again |
| 19:27.05 | sparek | ah, ok, looking it up on the Internet it seems to say its a 250, but I'll check my zaurus and make sure its a 250 |
| 19:28.16 | sparek | well, they made 5600's with both CPUs, so I'll have to check mine to see which one it really is |
| 19:29.25 | JustinP | fun |
| 19:30.13 | sparek | thanks for all your help |
| 19:49.25 | webmind | hmm |
| 19:49.39 | webmind | would putting swap on an SD card be a bad idea ? |
| 19:52.48 | webmind | and isn't there a more recent kernel for tosa then 2.4.18? |
| 19:59.29 | h2 | swap on an sd card is a lot of wear and tear on the card, but it could work |
| 20:00.34 | h2 | I would be more interested putting the installation on sd card I think there was a hentges rom that did this for 3.5.3 |
| 20:04.24 | webmind | why that? |
| 20:07.18 | CoreDump|home | you really do not want swap on any flash media |
| 20:09.49 | webmind | darn |
| 20:09.53 | webmind | altboot seems to work |
| 20:09.59 | webmind | except that e2fsck gave an error |
| 20:12.45 | webmind | uhm |
| 20:12.52 | webmind | /dev/loop0 is mounted twice |
| 20:13.01 | webmind | using different filesystems |
| 20:13.06 | webmind | and giving different sizes ? |
| 20:18.51 | CoreDump|home | ouch |
| 20:19.20 | webmind | it seems to work though |
| 20:19.28 | CoreDump|home | could you dump me "mount" to pastebin? |
| 20:19.31 | webmind | like the first loop0 refers to the normal flash |
| 20:19.32 | webmind | sure |
| 20:19.33 | CoreDump|home | and df |
| 20:19.34 | webmind | np |
| 20:19.38 | webmind | ~pastbin |
| 20:19.42 | webmind | ? |
| 20:19.50 | CoreDump|home | ~pastebin |
| 20:19.51 | ibot | pastebin is, like, a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel - try http://pastebin.com/, or http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 20:19.54 | CoreDump|home | ;) |
| 20:20.23 | webmind | http://pastebin.com/616754 |
| 20:20.42 | webmind | the content of /media/ROM is my normal flashdisk though |
| 20:21.07 | CoreDump|home | /dev/loop0 on /media/ROM type jffs2 (rw) |
| 20:21.17 | CoreDump|home | /dev/mtdblock2 on / type jffs2 (rw) |
| 20:21.25 | CoreDump|home | both are wrong |
| 20:21.42 | CoreDump|home | dunno how to get rid of these tho heh |
| 20:22.07 | CoreDump|home | but your root is indeed on SD |
| 20:22.29 | webmind | /proc/mounts is correct btw |
| 20:23.05 | CoreDump|home | please do me a favor and mail your atboot-2.4.cfg to oe@hentges.net |
| 20:23.21 | CoreDump|home | i need to get some sleep now ;) |
| 20:23.29 | webmind | my what ? |
| 20:23.44 | CoreDump|home | the config you created for tosa |
| 20:23.44 | webmind | ah |
| 20:23.46 | webmind | altboot |
| 20:23.48 | webmind | yes |
| 20:23.52 | webmind | will do |
| 20:23.56 | CoreDump|home | ;) thanks |
| 20:24.00 | CoreDump|home | n8 all |
| 20:24.06 | webmind | gnite |
| 20:27.36 | webmind | looks like a df bug |
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| 21:01.43 | webmind | is there a mailclient for opie that uses a similar way of storing mailboxes as mutt does ? |
| 21:01.59 | webmind | I'd like to use and a gui client and console client at the same time |
| 21:02.14 | hrw|husky | opie-mail does not use maildirs? |
| 21:02.24 | webmind | and installing a imap server on the thing seems like bit too much |
| 21:02.32 | webmind | hrw|husky, I don't know ? |
| 21:05.30 | hrw|husky | webmind: thx for keymap fix |
| 21:05.42 | hrw|husky | i will add it tomorrow to updates |
| 21:07.15 | webmind | np |
| 21:07.38 | webmind | the altboot thing will come tomorrow.. |
| 21:07.54 | hrw|husky | i would base on poodl not on akita |
| 21:08.08 | hrw|husky | probably poodle altboot == tosa altboot |
| 21:12.48 | hrw|husky | 3 getty processes and husky is usable as text terminal |
| 21:13.13 | hrw|husky | ssh to buildmachine on vt1, irc on vt3, local on vt4 |
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| 21:14.24 | webmind | hmm, where is the poodle atlboot file ? |
| 21:14.59 | hrw|husky | not built for oz.. |
| 21:20.31 | webmind | how do you mean ? |
| 21:22.58 | hrw|husky | that it is not in feed of oz 3.5.4 |
| 21:23.15 | webmind | indeed it's not |
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| 21:24.18 | hrw|husky | im now rebuilding gpe stuff |
| 21:24.57 | webmind | http://oz.hentges.net/openembedded/org.openembedded.dev/packages/altboot/files/akita/altboot-2.4.cfg |
| 21:25.01 | webmind | there it is |
| 21:25.09 | webmind | btw, I looked at both the configs |
| 21:25.16 | webmind | but the poodle one lacked a usb config |
| 21:25.23 | webmind | the mmca module was indeed the same |
| 21:26.10 | hrw|husky | a. boot from usb-storage thing |
| 21:27.31 | webmind | not that I use it |
| 21:28.04 | hrw|husky | you dont but who knows what users can try just beacuse it is available... |
| 21:29.58 | hrw|husky | webmind: how does 354 works on tosa at all? |
| 21:30.13 | hrw|husky | its a bit rare device |
| 21:30.17 | webmind | hmk |
| 21:30.23 | webmind | pretty ok it seems sofar |
| 21:30.32 | webmind | managed to hang it once |
| 21:30.36 | webmind | but that was probably due to the load |
| 21:30.40 | hrw|husky | brb |
| 21:32.21 | hrw|husky | re |
| 21:35.26 | webmind | wb |
| 21:35.41 | webmind | apearently opie-mail can in theory do maildir... |
| 21:35.56 | hrw|husky | libetpan thing |
| 21:36.09 | hrw|husky | etpan.sf.net or libetpan.sf.net |
| 21:37.58 | webmind | ah yes |
| 21:41.04 | webmind | isn't there a imapd for oz ? |
| 21:42.23 | hrw|husky | iirc no |
| 21:42.32 | webmind | darn |
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| 21:50.53 | hrw|husky | btw |
| 21:51.06 | hrw|husky | webmind: tried usb keyboard with tosa? |
| 21:52.04 | webmind | not recently |
| 21:52.10 | webmind | I've tried it with 3.5.3 |
| 21:52.18 | webmind | resulting in an awkward leyout I think |
| 21:52.21 | webmind | layout |
| 21:52.36 | hrw|husky | hm |
| 21:52.53 | webmind | but I'll test later |
| 21:54.20 | hrw|husky | would be great |
| 21:54.44 | hrw|husky | i probably will work on irda keyboards support in next weeks |
| 21:56.12 | hrw|husky | nope |
| 21:57.35 | webmind | darn |
| 21:57.51 | webmind | I've seen them with bluetooth.. but I don't like the idea of a bt keyboard |
| 21:58.06 | hrw|husky | no bt in your tosa? |
| 21:58.30 | hrw|husky | yesterday idea of wifi keyboard comes to my mind |
| 21:58.30 | webmind | not by default |
| 21:58.37 | webmind | hmm |
| 21:58.39 | webmind | maybe |
| 21:58.53 | webmind | but it's the raw data over radio I don't like |
| 21:59.10 | webmind | any idea btw why the olsr package is ancient in the feed ? |
| 21:59.52 | webmind | 0.3.1 and they went to 0.4.8 in mid 2005 |
| 22:00.22 | hrw|husky | noone used it probably |
| 22:00.41 | webmind | too bad |
| 22:00.53 | hrw|husky | we have 3000 source packages and ~20 devs on misc level of activity |
| 22:01.09 | webmind | hmm k |
| 22:01.18 | webmind | if I'd make a new package, could I submit it ? |
| 22:01.52 | hrw|husky | yes |
| 22:02.24 | webmind | k |
| 22:02.29 | hrw|husky | if its for OE then add into OE bugtracker |
| 22:02.56 | webmind | I'll check on that when I get the time :) |
| 22:02.57 | hrw|husky | if its ipk for oz then contact me and i will create feed/contrib/webmind with it |
| 22:03.00 | hrw|husky | ok |
| 22:03.01 | webmind | was just wondering |
| 22:03.08 | webmind | k |
| 22:03.17 | hrw|husky | we are open for patches |
| 22:03.39 | webmind | it's odd though.. it should be in OE... meshcube uses OE aswell.. and that needs an uptodate version |
| 22:03.45 | webmind | awell I'll check later |
| 22:03.53 | webmind | off for a bit now |
| 22:04.02 | hrw|husky | cu |
| 22:04.12 | hrw|husky | i go to bed soon |
| 22:04.47 | webmind | cya |
| 22:05.07 | webmind | euw |
| 22:05.09 | webmind | oops |
| 22:05.12 | webmind | wrong window |
| 22:05.17 | hrw|husky | happens |
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| 22:07.05 | ewano | could have been worse |
| 22:07.29 | ewano | Ive seen dudes type in root pws on irc channels |
| 22:14.07 | NA|Zzz | ewano: It's happened to me before.. too many bloody keyboards |
| 22:15.14 | webmind | re |
| 22:15.32 | webmind | just one keyboard.. just too many windows |
| 22:15.45 | webmind | and windows in windows in windows |
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| 22:36.58 | webmind | heh... tosa crashed on suspend :) |
| 22:37.19 | webmind | I'll try that again in the morning |
| 22:37.21 | webmind | goodnight |
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| 23:19.15 | raduga | ewano: like, which root password are you speaking of? |
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| 23:21.54 | dtx | Hey does anyone know how to change a bb to where it installs from the original subversion repository? |
| 23:23.16 | dtx | Hey does anyone know how to change a bb to where it installs from the original subversion repository? |
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| 23:45.47 | ajolk | Another question: is anybody using GPE rather than opie? |