| 00:20.21 | kosta | are there any prebuilt kernel modules available for download? |
| 00:27.12 | JustinP | try....in the feed....where evrything else it.... |
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| 03:15.19 | dhr | I'm trying to make a local copy of 3.5.4/feed/upgrades. I think that this command should do it, but it doesn't. Any idea why? wget --mirror --no-parent http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/mirror/www.openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.4/feed/upgrades |
| 03:19.05 | dhr | this command downloads the index.html and that is it (oh: it creates the required directories). |
| 03:23.40 | NA|Zzz | Hm, the params I usually use are -r -np <url> |
| 03:31.06 | dhr | NA|Zzz: --mirror is supposed to mean -r -N -l inf --no-remove-listing; --no-parent is the same is -np. |
| 03:31.59 | NA|Zzz | dhr: Yeah, is there any major diff between --mirror's operating and just -r though? |
| 03:32.06 | NA|Zzz | er, operation |
| 03:32.15 | NA|Zzz | Can't type with this lag. |
| 03:33.04 | dhr | I would expect no difference unless you were starting from a partially populated directory. |
| 03:34.17 | NA|Zzz | Hm, weird.. is there a block on robots.txt? |
| 03:34.48 | dhr | there is a robots.txt. Does wget care? Looking at man page.... |
| 03:35.21 | NA|Zzz | Yes, yes it does |
| 03:35.24 | NA|Zzz | Try -erobots=off |
| 03:37.18 | dhr | where did you get that flag from? I don't see it in the man page. |
| 03:38.51 | NA|Zzz | From a fair bit of googling when I had a similar problem.. |
| 03:40.07 | dhr | I'm impressed -- thanks! And depressed at the wget documentation. |
| 03:40.37 | NA|Zzz | np :) |
| 03:42.29 | dhr | seems to be working! Thanks again. |
| 03:43.30 | NA|Zzz | Good to hear :) |
| 03:45.53 | dhr | how come you are asleep. I figure it must be mid-afternoon where you are. |
| 03:47.11 | NAbyss | Yeah... forgot to update the /nick. |
| 03:53.36 | dhr | now I have another puzzle about that wget. It downloads tonnes of things that I would expect to be forbidden by the --no-parent. For example, ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/mirror/www.openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.4/feed/base/glibc-charmap-iso-8859-15_2.3.5+cvs20050627-r0_armv5te.ipk |
| 03:54.24 | NAbyss | That's because you didn't pu t a / after upgrade |
| 03:54.59 | dhr | AHH. Not obvious to me. The man page is not specific at all about this. |
| 03:55.20 | NAbyss | Yeah, it's pretty lousy documentation |
| 03:56.47 | dhr | so: would it have stopped after finishing off feed/ ? |
| 03:58.03 | NAbyss | Yes |
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| 08:00.43 | hrw|work | ~seen Radiance |
| 08:00.54 | ibot | radiance is currently on #openzaurus. Has said a total of 5 messages. Is idling for 14h 19s, last said: 'i sent a mail to Dirk, so i'm curious to what he answers hehe'. |
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| 09:26.43 | obergix[work] | hi |
| 09:27.13 | obergix[work] | great : my akita now wakes up from suspend ! |
| 09:28.45 | pgas | hmm, it doesn't seem so judging by the time you start working ;) |
| 09:29.57 | obergix[work] | pgas: yep, special monday, after activating daylight savings ;) |
| 09:30.29 | hrw|work | obergix[work]: /dev/rtc0 -> /dev/rtc thing? |
| 09:30.40 | obergix[work] | hrw|work: yes |
| 09:30.46 | obergix[work] | hrw|work: what d'you think ? |
| 09:32.45 | hrw|work | obergix[work]: looks like idea for fix |
| 09:33.27 | obergix[work] | hrw|work: is there a RTC or not, then ? |
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| 09:33.52 | hrw|work | not in hardware |
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| 09:48.33 | tabutron | obergix[work]: what exactly did you do to get it to wake up? |
| 09:50.07 | hrw|work | tabutron: ln -s /dev/rtc0 /dev/rtc |
| 09:55.55 | tabutron | oh, so just a missing link. I'll try that, thanks. |
| 10:00.30 | XorA | WTF 94 GBP for a ratoc card |
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| 10:02.49 | tabutron | btw., does cron run even when the device is suspended? |
| 10:02.56 | hrw|work | tabutron: rather not |
| 10:03.04 | tabutron | yeah, thought so |
| 10:03.26 | tabutron | so not much use |
| 10:17.54 | obergix[work] | funny... suspended and running jobs ? ;) |
| 10:18.40 | hrw|work | users have crazy ideas.. |
| 10:18.52 | hrw|work | like running swap on built-in flash |
| 10:19.05 | ewano | hrw|work: oh man |
| 10:19.47 | ewano | is there anything special I have to do to make the clock behave on my collie? goes all to hell if I suspend |
| 10:21.17 | hrw|work | if suspend or reboot? |
| 10:25.04 | ewano | suspend |
| 10:25.13 | ewano | using 3.5.4/GPE |
| 10:26.49 | hrw|work | after resume you have: 1. correct time, 2. time from suspend time, 3. random time? |
| 10:27.02 | ewano | time from suspend time |
| 10:27.42 | XorA | ewano: does the date commend also have the wrong time? |
| 10:28.05 | XorA | the clock in gpe only updates every minute |
| 10:28.05 | ewano | XorA: not sure, Im in work, and dont have the machine with me. I'll check this evening when I get home |
| 10:29.09 | ewano | ah, that could be it |
| 10:30.52 | XorA | I tried opera-mini at weekend, someone need to get J2ME with at least MIDP1.0 working on opie, then all the 320x240 screen can have an awesome browser |
| 10:42.46 | NAbyss | XorA: I've had opera mini working on my phone.. 128x128 is surprisingly usable |
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| 10:55.31 | XorA | NAbyss: they used a very smart complexity reduction algorithm I must say |
| 11:30.56 | lardman | XorA: Why are you after a ratoc card? |
| 11:31.44 | XorA | lardman: just bored really, wanting a new toy |
| 11:33.22 | lardman | XorA: Ah, right |
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| 11:34.17 | webmind | toys are good :) |
| 11:34.46 | hrw|work | webmind: you have tosa... ready to test something? |
| 11:34.52 | XorA | lardman: maybe make me Z more laptoppy, bit I really should just be saving for a 3200 |
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| 11:35.58 | lardman | XorA: I think the ratoc is probably a bit of a pita, I think a cx000 would probably be more useful as it's one fewer card to lug around (and you can have wifi and usb at the same time, etc.) |
| 11:36.32 | lardman | XorA: With that said, I bought it for the same reason - bit of a toy :) |
| 11:36.52 | XorA | 3200 is certainly what i should get, and sell me c860 |
| 11:37.22 | lardman | Just needs built-in wifi (and bt), then it would be perfect |
| 11:37.25 | webmind | hrw|work, uhm.. willing.. but at work.. so not able.. ok if I test it tonight ? |
| 11:37.50 | XorA | lardman: and GSM/UMTS |
| 11:38.14 | lardman | XorA: and.... :D we'll be here all day! |
| 11:38.17 | webmind | no progress on apm btw for opie tarball with sd.. going to test with another SD card.. it's rather hard to replicate so I suspect hardware error |
| 11:39.17 | webmind | XorA, BT would be good for that |
| 11:39.28 | webmind | but a clamshell with BT and WIFI would be nice |
| 11:39.43 | webmind | GSM takes another slot.. which take up space |
| 11:39.46 | lardman | bigger screen too |
| 11:39.56 | webmind | a 4" screen would be nice yes |
| 11:40.03 | lardman | something like the psion 5, but with better gubbins & colour screen :) |
| 11:40.08 | webmind | it's toobad the tosa's keyboard is so crap |
| 11:40.11 | hrw|work | webmind: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/hrw/tosa-r47/ is kernel with wake-on-alarm patch |
| 11:40.21 | webmind | hrw|work, ok |
| 11:40.24 | webmind | I'll cue it |
| 11:40.25 | lardman | webmind: I don;t even have a keyboard on my Nokia 770 |
| 11:40.37 | hrw|work | lardman: 800x480 one in clamshell... |
| 11:40.44 | webmind | lardman, well I like keyboards.. really miss it on my motorola a780 |
| 11:40.51 | lardman | hrw|work: yes, that would be good |
| 11:41.01 | hrw|work | anyway I want tosa++ |
| 11:41.12 | lardman | webmind: I'll buy a portable BT one eventually, then the Nokia will be almost there |
| 11:41.57 | lardman | Speaking of which, has anyone seen any cheap BT keyboards? |
| 11:42.20 | webmind | lardman, thought about that... just don't like the idea of a radio using keyboard |
| 11:47.14 | hrw|work | cheap and 'bt keyboard' does not match |
| 11:47.51 | webmind | there a shop in my history at home with atleast some choice I think |
| 11:48.01 | webmind | poke me this evening and I can give you the url |
| 11:48.31 | lardman | thanks webmind |
| 11:48.53 | lardman | hrw|work: tell me about it ;) |
| 11:49.15 | pgas | lardman: you don't want to try the usb-host hack? |
| 11:51.33 | webmind | does anyone know any ir or usbhost foldable keyboards that work on the Z ? |
| 11:54.55 | lardman | pgas: With that hack the omap can't enter a low power mode due to a clock running for the usb system (something like that) |
| 11:55.09 | pgas | hmm abiword installs atftpd as a dependencies is this normal? |
| 11:55.42 | XorA | webmind: I have a pocketop that works for 2.4 kernels |
| 11:55.50 | webmind | btw, how come there is no perl in the feed ? |
| 11:56.08 | webmind | XorA, url ? |
| 11:56.10 | hrw|work | pgas: not here |
| 11:56.19 | hrw|work | webmind: add feed/perl |
| 11:56.30 | XorA | webmind: not made anymore, I picked it up on clearane, www.pocketop.com I think |
| 11:56.44 | webmind | darn |
| 11:57.33 | pgas | hrw|work: hmm let me track the dependencies |
| 11:58.07 | webmind | hrw|work, how do you mean ? |
| 11:58.29 | hrw|work | webmind: perl has separate feed |
| 11:58.41 | hrw|work | pgas: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/hrw/t/abiword.log.txt |
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| 11:59.58 | webmind | XorA, hmm archos makes a foldable pda keyboard |
| 12:00.03 | webmind | 131 euro :( |
| 12:00.46 | pgas | hrw|work: oups! my mistake sorry |
| 12:01.21 | pgas | I now remember :) |
| 12:01.28 | XorA | webmind: think I got mine for 20 GBP last in shop |
| 12:01.36 | XorA | webmind: unfortuneately I cant use it |
| 12:01.39 | hrw|work | pgas: I have directory on server for testing pacakges |
| 12:01.54 | hrw|work | pgas: rm -rf dest;ipkg install abiword|tee log |
| 12:01.54 | webmind | XorA, how come ? |
| 12:02.05 | hrw|work | pgas: that was all which I did to produce log |
| 12:02.25 | webmind | XorA, usb or irda btw? |
| 12:03.29 | XorA | webmind: irda |
| 12:03.37 | pgas | no no it's my mistake, I'm doing too much thing at once and cofuse the package installed, the ones added with ipkg-link etc... |
| 12:03.43 | XorA | webmind: well actually IR, not irda, and there in lies the problem |
| 12:05.32 | webmind | no support in 2.6 |
| 12:06.21 | webmind | ? |
| 12:07.01 | XorA | webmind: as far as my feeble brain can tell 2.6 has Irda, but doesnt send stuff to /dev/ttySX layer |
| 12:07.13 | XorA | so no serial by IR |
| 12:08.47 | hrw|work | XorA: so how does ppp-over-irda works? or serial-over-irda? h19xx guys use serial console over irda to test kernel |
| 12:09.11 | webmind | XorA, not ? |
| 12:09.53 | webmind | http://www.radioshack.com/sm-archos-foldable-usb-keyboard-for-pma400-series--pi-2227300.html <-- I wonder how that is foldable... |
| 12:11.55 | hrw|work | webmind: you can roll over left part |
| 12:12.07 | webmind | roll != fold imho |
| 12:12.17 | webmind | crappy sales people |
| 12:12.53 | webmind | I want a laptop like keyboard, so not soft :( |
| 12:13.14 | XorA | webmind: all I know is I cant get /dev/ttySX to produce any bytes |
| 12:13.17 | lardman | I'm tempted by this: http://www.mobilefun.co.uk/product/8555.htm (for bt this is) |
| 12:13.26 | XorA | webmind: maybe handhelds.org kernel has different drivers |
| 12:13.44 | webmind | XorA, hmm |
| 12:13.51 | webmind | XorA, tried it on a normal pc ? |
| 12:14.08 | XorA | webmind: no serial IR device |
| 12:14.18 | XorA | webmind: works on Z 2.4 kernel though |
| 12:14.24 | webmind | hmm |
| 12:15.00 | XorA | webmind: free beer who whoever gets it working though :-) |
| 12:15.04 | webmind | lardman, too small imho |
| 12:15.09 | webmind | XorA, heh |
| 12:16.17 | webmind | http://cgi.ebay.com/USB-2-0-Portable-Foldable-KEYBOARD-for-PDA-Laptop-BK_W0QQitemZ9701681017QQcategoryZ29851QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 12:17.16 | webmind | hmm, theory one could mod a BT keyboard and a BT dongle into a usb keyboard btw ;) |
| 12:19.10 | webmind | +in |
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| 12:20.50 | hrw|work | hi alan |
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| 12:25.35 | alan|home | hi hrw|work |
| 12:25.39 | alan|home | hi all |
| 12:31.19 | webmind | hi alan|home |
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| 12:52.48 | trucmuch | hi |
| 13:03.11 | lardman | Perhaps I will be persuaded by a usb keyboard... must look into the issues with usb-host mode |
| 13:04.26 | webmind | I just really hate to create an ebay account |
| 13:04.33 | webmind | I keep blacklisting them because of spam |
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| 13:41.58 | XorA | ~lart me for being useless at CV writing |
| 13:42.48 | webmind | XorA, what usually just works for me is make one, and let someone else comment on it |
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| 13:43.04 | webmind | first couple of times you maybe and up rewriting it |
| 13:43.16 | webmind | but the you eventually get a good CV you can keep up to date |
| 13:43.25 | XorA | webmind: got 10 years of crap to squeeze into mine |
| 13:43.33 | XorA | webmind: and target it to the company in mind |
| 13:43.33 | webmind | lovely |
| 13:44.13 | XorA | and I now wonder how in hell to say what you do as an IT manager |
| 13:45.55 | webmind | 'watch simpsons' |
| 13:45.58 | webmind | ? |
| 13:46.09 | XorA | pretty close |
| 13:46.57 | webmind | also known as training in obscure situation handling |
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| 14:36.17 | lestat | hi all! |
| 14:38.06 | lestat | I have a strange issue with datebook and today: the icon appear as the unknown one (the question mark). This happens since I installed OZ on the SD card; I tried to re-install opie-datebook and opie-today, too, but no way :/ |
| 14:39.54 | lestat | installing opie-today reports me an Input/output error writing in /opt/QtPalmtop/pics/today/ , and that dir is empty, though |
| 14:40.18 | lestat | the /opt/QtPalmtop/pics/datebook dir is empty too, but I had no errors during install |
| 14:40.21 | lestat | any hint |
| 14:40.21 | lestat | ? |
| 14:59.10 | CoreDump|home | hi |
| 15:02.02 | webmind | wb |
| 15:02.53 | hrw|work | ~lart oesf 'users' for being .... |
| 15:03.09 | webmind | :) |
| 15:04.18 | hrw|work | lack of machine info in signatures |
| 15:04.26 | hrw|work | lack of geographical locations |
| 15:05.28 | webmind | are those useful ? |
| 15:05.30 | webmind | hmm |
| 15:05.32 | hrw|work | 'I want to sell my Zaurus for $xyz' - without info that this user live in arctic station |
| 15:05.32 | webmind | sry |
| 15:05.35 | webmind | aah ok |
| 15:05.39 | CoreDump|home | lol |
| 15:05.53 | hrw|work | or 'my Z has a bug when I flashed OZ' |
| 15:06.02 | webmind | hrw|work, asume its the us |
| 15:06.09 | webmind | :) |
| 15:06.10 | hrw|work | but what bug, which Z and which flavour of Z is unknown |
| 15:06.44 | hrw|work | webmind: #define US_Zaurus_users morons // except those ones which know how tu use thing between ears |
| 15:07.00 | lardman | no, no, assume they live in Antarctica and see what reaction you get when/if they cotton on.... ;) |
| 15:07.58 | hrw|work | I assume that they use sl-a300 and say that we do not support this model |
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| 15:16.03 | pgas | hrw|work: Slc-700 for Voider see first post ;) |
| 15:17.53 | hrw|work | pgas: first here - when there will be 90 posts do I have to check first, 5th etc too? |
| 15:18.19 | pgas | yeah |
| 15:18.31 | pgas | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:05.03 | pgas | where should I fill a bug with bash running in oz/gpe 3.5.4 ? |
| 16:05.15 | hrw|work | bugtracker |
| 16:05.32 | pgas | which one? |
| 16:05.36 | pgas | OE ? |
| 16:05.40 | pgas | GPE ? |
| 16:05.46 | hrw|work | OE |
| 16:05.47 | Varoudis_ | Can you run debian and openoffice chrooted in OZ/gpe? |
| 16:05.55 | pgas | sure |
| 16:05.56 | hrw|work | probably yes Varoudis_ |
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| 16:23.45 | Radiance | hiya all :) |
| 16:24.39 | CoreDump|home | hi |
| 16:25.02 | hrw|work | hi Radiance |
| 16:25.12 | hrw|work | Radiance: bad luck with that kernel fix ;( |
| 16:25.21 | Radiance | yeah :( |
| 16:25.43 | Radiance | i hope there is a possible fix hehe |
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| 16:26.52 | Radiance | beside the current release with the 2.4 kernel, i also will pay any one who gets a 2.6 running + full working gpe-image 500 $ as a reward for the bother hehe |
| 16:27.01 | Radiance | maybe more if things go faster hehe |
| 16:35.22 | earthwalker_99 | I am wondering if there is a way to get the firefox, abiword and apps like that running on the sl-5500 with OZ 3.5.4 without the gtk warning "cannot open display"? |
| 16:35.49 | earthwalker_99 | Could you please tell me where to find the info on how to do it? |
| 16:38.25 | hrw|work | earthwalker_99: did you ever used X11 somewhere? |
| 16:38.56 | hrw|work | earthwalker_99: you are running opie now - right? |
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| 16:40.17 | hrw|work | Radiance: hmm.. http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=711#c3 is interesting... |
| 16:42.25 | hrw|work | Radiance: looks like it works for someone |
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| 16:42.41 | earthwalker_99 | hrw:Yes I am running opie. |
| 16:42.52 | pgas | hmm no OpenZaurus 3.5.4 in OE bugtracker? |
| 16:43.20 | earthwalker_99 | No I am not running X. |
| 16:43.24 | hrw|work | pgas: yep - have to fix it |
| 16:43.38 | hrw|work | earthwalker_99: then WHY you ARE trying to run X11 software under opie? |
| 16:44.16 | hrw|work | to get X11 soft running use GPE flavour of OZ |
| 16:44.46 | earthwalker_99 | I understood that if a ipkg needed something to run that it would be installed as well. |
| 16:45.11 | hrw|work | yes |
| 16:45.35 | earthwalker_99 | I will install xserver-common. Anything else? |
| 16:45.37 | hrw|work | if it does not then I would like to know (with exact command used) |
| 16:47.31 | earthwalker_99 | Does that mean I have to run the xserver all the time? Will I have to start it each time I want to run one of these apps? |
| 16:48.50 | hrw|work | to run x11 app you need x server running |
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| 16:52.19 | earthwalker_99 | gpe uses the xserver? |
| 16:52.24 | hrw|work | yes |
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| 16:59.05 | earthwalker_99 | I installed xserver-common and a few other things were added. I tried start x it says not found. What is next? |
| 17:00.42 | CoreDump|home | earthwalker_99: just install gpe... |
| 17:02.10 | earthwalker_99 | Got it thanks. Not worth it. |
| 17:02.26 | hrw|work | then no firefox/abiword etc for you.. |
| 17:02.44 | hrw|work | anyway I do not think that they would be usable on qvga screen |
| 17:03.04 | hrw|gone | cu |
| 17:03.13 | earthwalker_99 | Thanks very much for your time. |
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| 17:31.29 | folken | greetings, how do I repartition an sl-c3000 without a working os. ? |
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| 17:40.17 | folken | does anybody know how to decode updater.sh so I can add additional commands? |
| 17:41.08 | eccerr0r | who |
| 17:41.14 | eccerr0r | whoops m/t |
| 17:41.35 | folken | ? |
| 17:43.02 | eccerr0r | typing error... |
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| 18:05.21 | pgas | folken: use enc.c for example here http://externe.net/zaurus/faq/index.php/TBVBootSequence |
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| 18:27.36 | hrw | re |
| 18:27.55 | hrw | folken: I would get not encoded version rather |
| 18:29.14 | Radiance | hrw, just tried again but really no result heh |
| 18:30.07 | hrw | Radiance: ;( |
| 18:33.45 | Radiance | thanks for trying anyway hehe |
| 18:34.06 | hrw | one user reported success anywya |
| 18:34.24 | hrw|afk | food |
| 18:37.00 | Radiance | bon apetite |
| 18:42.21 | hrw|afk | gracias |
| 19:05.26 | hrw | ~curse my wifi card |
| 19:05.27 | ibot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, my wifi card ! |
| 19:07.05 | hrw | this time it decided to stay at 1Mb/s fro some moments only |
| 19:10.47 | hrw | openzaurus.org database has 90M not packed.... |
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| 19:37.02 | incinerator | hi guys, i guess this has been asked a thousand times, but how do i make my zaurus switch to daylight saving time? |
| 19:37.27 | eccerr0r | it should be automatic if you have the timezone setup right? |
| 19:37.32 | incinerator | i am running oz-3.5.4/opie on a c860 btw |
| 19:37.45 | incinerator | that's set to Europe/London... |
| 19:37.56 | hrw | installed timezone-europe? |
| 19:38.08 | incinerator | ooops, lemme check |
| 19:38.22 | folken | stupid question.. (in the failure of finding an faq) how does one copy paste in opie? |
| 19:39.43 | eccerr0r | how much working memory (RAM) do other zaurus have? The 32MB in poodle seems to be way too low now |
| 19:39.57 | hrw | folken: if ctrl-c/ctrl-v does not work then via clipboardapplet |
| 19:40.25 | incinerator | hrw: thx, that did the trick, I had forgotten about that, fresh install etc.... |
| 19:43.50 | folken | hrw hmm not preinstalled on oz-3.4.1-alpha (sl-c3000) |
| 19:44.06 | eccerr0r | and how many applets can you have open at once before it crashes? |
| 19:44.10 | hrw | folken: then install it? |
| 19:44.36 | folken | hrw on it. if the package manager doesn't segfault. |
| 19:44.52 | incinerator | eccerr0r: c860 has 64mb |
| 19:45.01 | dhr | hrw: [I'm reading back in log] Thanks for http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/hrw/tosa-r47/ It would be good if you put a quick README in there to explain what it is. |
| 19:45.21 | hrw | dhr: I do not add such readmes for a reason |
| 19:45.28 | incinerator | lol |
| 19:45.40 | hrw | dhr: I add infos in places where I give url |
| 19:45.57 | hrw | dhr: r47 kernel was announced on oesf forum and in OE bugtracker |
| 19:46.09 | eccerr0r | I think the OZ default install is getting too much for poodle... need to trim down somehow |
| 19:46.26 | hrw | eccerr0r: feel free to suggest changes |
| 19:47.32 | eccerr0r | I still don't fully understand the issue here though... I don't understand why the page cache is so large and won't decrease before the UI freezes up... |
| 19:48.06 | eccerr0r | are most "newer" zaurus more than 32MB now? |
| 19:48.46 | hrw | ram? |
| 19:48.53 | eccerr0r | yeah... |
| 19:48.56 | hrw | only poodle and corgi had 32M ram |
| 19:49.04 | hrw | all other has 64M |
| 19:49.37 | eccerr0r | Ah... That explains why the focus is on 64M machines... |
| 19:50.22 | hrw | eccerr0r: we lack poodle maintainer/developer so we do not care too much about it |
| 19:51.29 | eccerr0r | how abot corgi? |
| 19:51.38 | eccerr0r | wouldn't it still be in best interest for all platforms to reduce memory consumption? |
| 19:52.04 | hrw | sure |
| 19:52.11 | hrw | problem is where and how |
| 19:53.50 | eccerr0r | Curious how much page cache is allocated on other platforms right now... could someone try cat /proc/meminfo |grep ^Cached: |
| 19:54.31 | eccerr0r | hmm... I guess on my normal linux box I can't get it below 7MB either |
| 19:55.02 | eccerr0r | ahh got it to 5MB. |
| 19:55.13 | hrw | hrw@home:~$ cat /proc/meminfo |grep ^Cached |
| 19:55.13 | hrw | Cached: 716040 kB |
| 19:55.25 | eccerr0r | err.. I meant zaurus :) |
| 19:55.28 | hrw | Cached: 342684 kB |
| 19:55.33 | hrw | thats another machine |
| 19:55.45 | folken | eccerr0r: i have 20544 kB |
| 19:56.00 | eccerr0r | that's on fresh boot? |
| 19:56.03 | eccerr0r | hmm. |
| 19:56.13 | folken | eccerr0r: negative.. and with an execessive ammount of applets loaded atm. |
| 19:56.23 | hrw | 27588 on my c760 |
| 19:56.26 | CoreDump|bbiab | +mhentges@mhcln01:..kages/display-brightness > cat /proc/meminfo |grep ^Cached |
| 19:56.26 | CoreDump|bbiab | Cached: 1562668 kB |
| 19:56.34 | CoreDump|bbiab | SCNR |
| 19:56.40 | hrw | Cached: 1614876 kB |
| 19:56.47 | eccerr0r | ugh... doing this on large machines is of no value to me... :/ |
| 19:56.50 | CoreDump|bbiab | =D |
| 19:57.09 | eccerr0r | of course machines with 4GB RAM will likely have that much cached :\ |
| 19:57.26 | CoreDump|bbiab | 2Gb even |
| 19:58.26 | eccerr0r | that must be a fileserver or idle machine, and not a app or computational machine... |
| 19:59.09 | CoreDump|bbiab | actually it is my compile server |
| 19:59.27 | CoreDump|bbiab | but pretty idle ATM |
| 20:00.25 | eccerr0r | probably have more ram in that machine than you really need for compiling? |
| 20:00.56 | CoreDump|home | indeed |
| 20:01.09 | eccerr0r | anyway looks like the only solution I have for now is to setup swap. |
| 20:01.26 | hrw | I have 1G here at home - OE needed it months ago |
| 20:01.35 | CoreDump|home | righto |
| 20:01.46 | eccerr0r | probably have to find a cheap SD card and swap on that |
| 20:01.53 | CoreDump|home | OE took 700M just for parsing |
| 20:02.08 | eccerr0r | yeah...bitbake sucks... |
| 20:02.15 | hrw | eccerr0r: took != takes |
| 20:02.32 | hrw | now bitbake fits in ~50M |
| 20:03.29 | eccerr0r | too much software bloat these days |
| 20:05.54 | folken | hrw: thx for the tipp with the copy and paste applet. However whenever i try to paste an url into xmms embedded, opie taskbar and applets seem to freeze. |
| 20:09.33 | eccerr0r | any idea if SD cards do wear levelling? Heard that good CF cards will do wear levelling... hmm. |
| 20:09.39 | folken | i'll use media-player instead. |
| 20:09.53 | hrw | eccerr0r: they will die sooner or later |
| 20:10.24 | eccerr0r | it's the inevitable, right, but ones that do wear levelling will last longer with no bad sectors... |
| 20:13.23 | folken | interesting that they sell me sd cards with a 88 Month warrenty. |
| 20:13.37 | folken | i allready have a dead 256MB chip. |
| 20:14.08 | hrw | I have few cards now - but only smallest ones work under 2.6 kernel ;( |
| 20:15.23 | CoreDump|home | i have no working SD cards at all. All died when writing alr |
| 20:15.41 | CoreDump|home | altboots tar.gz installer |
| 20:16.02 | CoreDump|home | ~praise NFS root |
| 20:16.03 | ibot | All hail NFS root! |
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| 20:20.07 | folken | hmm whats the difference between libmpeg2-0 and libmpeg2 (scummvm depends on the later, which is not avail.) |
| 20:21.37 | eccerr0r | I've only one 1G SD card, not sure if I want to destroy that just yet. Probably need to look for a cheap SD card to setup swap on |
| 20:26.29 | folken | ouch.. volume control doesn't really work on a spitz? |
| 20:27.21 | eccerr0r | on poodle and suspect many others, can only control volume when you quit out of all apps that open the sound device |
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| 20:37.43 | folken | eccerr0r: hmm the console complains about some alsa-lib errors. |
| 20:38.53 | folken | eccerr0r: i'll experiment some more, thx for the tipp. |
| 20:39.29 | eccerr0r | poodle is still using OSS/libao ... so dunno if it applies to anything else |
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| 20:41.05 | hrw | clamshells use ALSA since 3.5.4.1-alpha |
| 20:42.45 | folken | the error i'm getting is: ALSA lib conf.c:1592:(snd_config_load1) _toplevel_:622:9:Unexpected char |
| 20:43.40 | hrw | and thats with which machine? |
| 20:44.21 | folken | hrw: a spitz (sl-c3000) |
| 20:44.56 | folken | hrw i used 3.5.4.1-test/alpha1 to install. |
| 20:45.28 | hrw | that bug is from alsamixer? |
| 20:46.41 | folken | hrw no it seems to have been caused either by opie-player or the volume control applet. |
| 20:46.45 | folken | i just tried alsamixer |
| 20:47.14 | hrw | aha |
| 20:47.30 | folken | alsamixer adjustes volume fine.. |
| 20:49.55 | Ralafe | Woah, we have 3.5.4.1 tests out? Awesome. |
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| 20:55.35 | eccerr0r | who |
| 20:55.57 | eccerr0r | argh. I better just quit. I need this tty for my scratch terminal :/ |
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| 21:47.44 | hrw | new OpenZaurus website look - enjoy http://www.openzaurus.org/wordpress/ |
| 22:05.49 | hrw | cu all |
| 22:05.51 | Radiance | guys, the sl-3200 works with a 2.6 kernel ? |
| 22:05.57 | hrw|gone | Radiance: should |
| 22:06.04 | hrw|gone | it is same as borzoi internally... |
| 22:06.09 | hrw|gone | probably ofcourse ;) |
| 22:06.11 | hrw|gone | cu |
| 22:06.16 | Radiance | hrw, i'm thinking to sell the 6000 and buy that one lol |
| 22:06.21 | Radiance | laters bud hehe |
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