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00:08.02leviGah.  I've still had no luck getting my Z to boot.
00:34.40eccerr0rhow does opie handle out-of-memory situations normally anyway?
00:42.40eccerr0rI feared that much, it does nothing :)
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01:03.45galvAtr0nlevi have you checked if there is a system maintenance menu to see if there is a nand option ???
01:06.54galvAtr0ntry this not sure if it works on 5500
01:06.55galvAtr0n<PROTECTED>
01:06.56galvAtr0nBe careful in the DIAG menu as you can quite easily total your nice Zaurus. First of all make sure the back cover is unlocked and not present, the battery is removed and there's no AC power then wait 5 seconds. Then, while in this stripped down state, open up the display fully and support it with your left hand, then with your right hand place your first 2 fingers on D and M respectively while using your thumb underneath to
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07:47.13CoreDump|homemorning
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08:29.30matthew_iwhat is the proper procedure for installing with an sd root on 3.5.4
08:29.47matthew_iI have followed all the steps up to the rboot step
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08:35.55CoreDump|homerboot is deprecated. 3.5.4 brings all required bits for root on SD / CF / NFS out of the box
08:37.02matthew_iCoreDump|home: what do I have to do
08:37.09matthew_iI have a disk image setup and mounted on the sd
08:38.37CoreDump|homeso a loop-image it is. rename the image to $someName-rootfs.bin and copy it to /media/card/boot-images/
08:39.05CoreDump|homereboot, launch altboot, select "Boot from SD", done
08:39.34matthew_iCoreDump|home: I don't need to make any files it it?
08:39.38matthew_iCoreDump|home: awesome!
08:39.42CoreDump|homewait
08:39.59CoreDump|homeI tought your loop-file was already populated
08:40.10matthew_iCoreDump|home: nope, just formatted and created
08:40.15matthew_ihow do I populate?
08:40.16CoreDump|homeah =)
08:40.29CoreDump|homethat one's pretty easy, too
08:40.46CoreDump|homedownload a tar.gz rootfs from the tarballs/ directory
08:40.56CoreDump|homeplace it on SD / CF and reboot
08:41.22CoreDump|homelaunch altboot, select Advanced/tar.gz installer, follow the instructions
08:42.31matthew_iso I can get rid of the image I created?
08:42.40matthew_ido I put the rootfs in the image?
08:42.44matthew_ior just on the card?
08:43.06CoreDump|homeyou can delete your old image
08:43.12matthew_ieh?
08:43.23matthew_iI have a fresh image on the sd card
08:43.27CoreDump|homethe tar.gz installer will create a new image with the content of the tar.gz file
08:43.28matthew_iit is empty
08:43.42matthew_iso erase the fresh image and just place that tarball on the sd?
08:43.49CoreDump|homeindeed
08:43.59CoreDump|homethe installer will do the rest
08:44.40matthew_ido I need to name it special or anything?
08:44.51CoreDump|homehmm, let me check
08:45.15matthew_ishould I reflash and select the advanced option on first boot?
08:45.42CoreDump|homeno need to reflash
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08:46.00CoreDump|homethe tar.gz's filename must end in "rootfs.tar.gz"
08:46.11matthew_iok
08:48.16matthew_isweet!!
08:48.30matthew_iis loop or direct better?
08:48.41matthew_iwell imagefile/direct
08:48.53CoreDump|homeI'd go for loop, easier to backup
08:49.06CoreDump|homeand you can have multiple loop-images on the same card
08:49.17matthew_iI usually just reflash, and I don't anticipate having multiple images
08:49.43matthew_iis that the only difference between loop and direct?
08:50.04matthew_i(one is a loop, the other is direct :)?
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08:50.25CoreDump|homewell direct means that your card will be populated with a real filesystem (/bin /etc etc)
08:50.36matthew_iI don't have a problem with that
08:50.40CoreDump|homehttp://hentges.net/tmp/screenshots/Zaurus/Akita/Altboot/altboot-3.jpg
08:51.01CoreDump|homeyou can have direct and multiple loop-images on the same card anyways =)
08:51.07matthew_iok
08:51.10matthew_iim going direct
08:51.44matthew_ithis installer is sweet
08:51.49CoreDump|home=)
08:51.57matthew_ihopefully 3.5.4 will be more stable than 3.5.3
08:52.01CoreDump|homeit is
08:52.05matthew_igood
08:52.23matthew_ithis zaurus is a few years old, but it is more useful today than when I got it, because of OZ
08:52.30matthew_inow I just gotta get a wireless card
08:52.37matthew_iwhat is the word on the new linksys 54g card?
08:52.45CoreDump|homeI dunno
08:53.08CoreDump|homeI doubt there's a driver for any CF 54Mbit card
08:53.56matthew_iguess it depends on the chipset
08:54.25CoreDump|homeright
08:54.29matthew_iwhy does altboot run twice?
08:54.40matthew_ithe second time am I supposed to select normal boot?
08:54.45CoreDump|homeindeed
08:54.48matthew_iok
08:55.00matthew_ione for the rootfs one for the sd?
08:55.01CoreDump|homethe second alboot comes from your new shiny rootfs
08:55.26matthew_iwhere is my shiny new gui?
08:55.42matthew_iI got the opie image, I have no gui
08:55.45CoreDump|homewell, let it boot
08:56.06matthew_iand I am seeing a lot of input/output errors
08:56.15CoreDump|homeuh oh
08:56.34CoreDump|homesounds like your card is acting up
08:56.45matthew_iwhat you say?
08:57.04matthew_iok now it's working
08:57.05matthew_iodd
08:57.16matthew_isome one must have set us up the bomb
08:57.16CoreDump|homei/o errors are the result of cards that are either dieing or do not like ext2
08:57.36matthew_imight be dying
08:58.07CoreDump|homeformat it and try a loop-file
08:58.14matthew_iit's working now
08:58.25matthew_iwould it still be good to switch to loop?
08:58.31CoreDump|homeyes
08:59.34matthew_iok
09:00.22matthew_iwow cheap
09:00.25matthew_ilike 30 bucks
09:00.32CoreDump|homeyeah
09:00.43matthew_ithis 128 mb I have now cost 50
09:01.18matthew_idoes kingston make good sd memory?
09:02.11matthew_igues I will find out :)
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09:23.26matthew_iis wpasupplicant on OZ?
09:23.46CoreDump|homeiirc yes
09:23.51matthew_isweet
09:29.30matthew_iyup more io errors
09:29.41matthew_ii'll just wait for my new 1g card to get here
09:29.50CoreDump|home;)
09:30.04matthew_ithis 3.5.4 is much better though
09:30.31CoreDump|homesure is,thanks to hrw|gone
09:30.40matthew_isweetness
09:30.48matthew_iis he the kernel hacker?
09:32.20CoreDump|homenope, the release manager. He create a stable OZ branch and fixed tons and tons and tons of bugs
09:33.03matthew_iahh ok
09:33.04matthew_icool
09:33.16matthew_ishould I just use bootstrap image if I am going to run an sd root?
09:33.56CoreDump|homei wouldn't do that
09:34.01CoreDump|homebroken deps in the feed etc
09:34.02matthew_iok
09:34.05matthew_iahh
09:34.17CoreDump|homeno dev uses the OZ feed
09:34.25CoreDump|homebugs go unnoticed for ages
09:35.14matthew_iI see
09:35.28matthew_iis the package manager still broken in this release?
09:36.35CoreDump|homeyep, still crashes if you install 2-3 ipks at once
09:36.40matthew_iahh ok
09:36.46matthew_ithat is the gui one right?
09:36.57CoreDump|homeyeah
09:37.02matthew_iok
09:37.06CoreDump|homeconsole works fine
09:37.22matthew_iis opieplayer still broken?
09:37.31CoreDump|homethat I do not know
09:37.39CoreDump|homemplayer should work
09:37.45matthew_iyeah...
09:37.55CoreDump|homeneither am I
09:38.02CoreDump|homeheh
09:38.09CoreDump|homeuse GPE then
09:38.16matthew_ithey have gstreamer working?
09:38.37matthew_ia more important question is do they have other things working as well?
09:38.43matthew_iit was rough last time I checked
09:38.52CoreDump|homewhich Z?
09:38.57matthew_i5500
09:39.25CoreDump|homewell, as luck has it, a collie is sitting next to me. Running the latest 3.5.4.1
09:39.29CoreDump|homehotkeys work
09:39.35CoreDump|homeapps work
09:39.41CoreDump|homefont-size is about right
09:39.43matthew_ihow about net config?
09:39.47CoreDump|homeuhh
09:40.01CoreDump|homedunno, I always restore a backup for that hehe
09:40.10matthew_ihmm
09:41.13matthew_iI might try it
09:41.27matthew_iI would need to do two seperate root images to try them both right?
09:42.48CoreDump|homeright
09:43.00matthew_iI might try that out
09:43.04matthew_ion my new flash
09:46.00matthew_iwell thanks for your help, I gotta sleep now :)
09:46.02matthew_ilater
09:46.10CoreDump|homelater matthew_i
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10:41.30al_dohi all, here I am chatting with my c3k.
10:42.01al_dois there any way to "pass" my appointment from opie to gpe? and how?
10:42.31al_do(c3k running oz 3.5.4.1-a)
10:42.44johnXhave you searched on oesf.org/forums ?
10:43.46al_do(blush).... mmm I think I haven't...
10:43.57johnXI don't remember if that exact issue was covered there
10:44.17johnXI have some kind of hazy memory of hearing about it at some point...
10:44.56al_doI'm taking a look...
10:45.18johnXand I'm seeing if I can find the topic I was thinking of
10:45.42al_dotx!
10:45.48johnXnp
10:47.42johnXhttp://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=18502&hl=vcard
10:47.56johnXsearch on the page for "vcard" and they talk about it a bit
10:48.42al_doI'm going
10:49.06johnXso are you in GPE or OPIE right now?
10:49.44al_doopie
10:50.06johnXcool :)
10:50.08al_dobecause I can easily sinc my data wtih windoze...
10:50.44al_do(and gpe is fair too complex for me :( )
10:52.18johnXI'll agree that it can be overwhelming, and depending on what you want to do it GPE might be overkill...but I've grown to like it :)
10:52.48CoreDump|homeGPE on VGA is nice indeed
10:53.23al_dothe problem is I'm quite new to linu world... so when something goes wrong... I don't know where to put my hands on...
10:53.49johnXquite understandable
10:54.02al_doI think gpe needs more "knowledge" than opie... to work
10:54.52al_doanother fact is that gpe has very ugly icons compared to opie :D
10:55.11CoreDump|homeheh
10:55.14johnXI don't mind them that much
10:55.21al_do:)
10:55.21johnXand really, anything's better than Sharp ROM
10:55.36johnXthose things almost made me blind
10:56.23CoreDump|homesomeone should patch out the search bar in firefox
10:56.29johnXfunny you should mention that...I tried firefox on a gpe-image built out of .dev.  It's really surprisingly fast
10:56.59CoreDump|homestill kinda slow. But very usble
10:57.02CoreDump|homeusable
10:57.09johnXa lot less slow than I thought it would be
10:57.15johnXwhat do you mean by "patch out the search bar"?
10:57.25johnXyou mean have it off by default?
10:57.28CoreDump|homeit's hiding a good deal of the adress bar
10:57.41CoreDump|homejohnX: I wish, there's no way to disable it
10:58.46johnXuhm...view -> customize toolbars -> drag search bar off?
10:59.15CoreDump|homelol
10:59.19CoreDump|homethat works?
10:59.21johnXyeah
10:59.26johnXjust did it on my akita :)
10:59.29CoreDump|homeheh thanks for that =)
11:00.02johnXnp, thanks for the work you do on OZ/Hentges :)
11:00.44CoreDump|home=)
11:00.57johnXactually though, I put my nav buttons (back, forwards, reload, etc) up on the top by the menus and leave a whole 640 pixels for location bar, go button and search
11:02.13CoreDump|homecould you scap a screenshot of an open GPE menu for me?
11:02.35CoreDump|homeI was told .dev has the font-fix which .1 lacks
11:02.51al_dojohn: that post wasn't that usefull (since it's hard to understand for me :(...
11:03.26al_dodoes Gpe pim syncs to qtopia desktop?
11:03.42al_do(this whould solve my problems...)
11:03.53johnXit doesn't :(
11:05.31johnXCoreDump|home: I could put up a screenshot but I'm not sure if it would tell you what you want to know...gtk stuff is a little unstable right now in .dev so I ended up setting font sizes by hand
11:05.46CoreDump|homehmm
11:05.57johnXthe matchbox menu is what you're interested in, yes?
11:06.01al_dook, going out for lunch... see you
11:06.06CoreDump|homejohnX: yep
11:06.12johnXal_do: ok
11:06.14johnXgood luck
11:06.29CoreDump|homewhat are the problems with fonts? Were they too small? What size did you configure?
11:08.26johnXgtk fonts were pretty small, but no unbearably so
11:08.57johnXthe problem was gpe-conf theme crashes on startup (need to bug report that actually)
11:09.20CoreDump|homeouch
11:11.13johnXhang on, I'll create a new user and see how things look
11:13.46CoreDump|homethanks!
11:14.34johnXhmm...I don't think that my new user got the same default settings as my first user did...
11:14.48johnXbut the matchbox menu looks fine
11:15.33CoreDump|homegreat
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11:15.54johnXdo you remember what theme gets set by default for the first user?
11:16.04CoreDump|homehmm no
11:16.21CoreDump|homeI always force it to "default" on my images
11:17.16johnXwell, you've probably already run into this, but the matchbox "default" theme sets font sizes to stupid values...
11:17.36johnXjust a heads up
11:18.12CoreDump|homenot here =)
11:18.51johnXnice
11:19.34johnXmakes me want to setup altboot and try one of your GPE images :)
11:20.23CoreDump|homeheh
11:23.23CoreDump|homehttp://handhelds.org/scap/port.4500.png <- gftp on collie lol
11:23.51johnXit's a tight enough fit on a VGA screen...
11:24.11CoreDump|homeindeed
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11:31.25johnXheh...looks like glib and pango got set back to a lower version...I bet this fixes a lot of the crashes I've been running into
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11:39.29johnXah well, this calls for an image rebuild from scratch, so I'm gonna start that and head to sleep
11:39.46johnX~lart DST
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11:59.43ShirkHi again
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12:20.41_Shirk__flashed my zaurus unusable_ ..
12:25.43polyonymous_Shirk_, are you sure it's that bad?
12:27.46_Shirk_No, I just have to wait for a frind of mine who can put some new data on my CF card
12:28.02polyonymousAh.
12:28.10_Shirk_I accidentialy named the kernel 'zImage.bin' not zImage
12:28.26polyonymousHmm.. Isn't it supposed to be zImage.bin?
12:29.12_Shirk_If so then OZ 3.5.4 with OPIE does not boot. I can watch the Sharp boot screen for hours..
12:29.34CoreDump|homekernel for collie = zImage
12:29.41polyonymousAh.
12:29.44CoreDump|homefor SL-Cxxxx = zImage.bin
12:29.58polyonymousI've only read spitz updater carefully :)
12:30.20CoreDump|homeheh
12:30.23polyonymousYsterday, I've finally flashed my own build
12:30.29CoreDump|homeyay
12:30.37_Shirk_Just downloading the Windows ROM-updater from sharp - this on flashed only ROM v2.38 but over USB not CF
12:30.50_Shirk_Build with OE?
12:30.52polyonymousCoreDump|home, do you know if I can extract old kernel from mtd* backup? I wonder if I can altboot cacko which is still lying around in flash :)
12:31.09polyonymousyup, OE
12:31.10CoreDump|homepolyonymous: I don't thing you can
12:31.25CoreDump|homeextract the kernel I mean
12:31.27polyonymousCoreDump|home, why not?
12:31.40polyonymousIf zaurus could boot it why can't I extract it?
12:31.41_Shirk_I tryed OE but i couldn't get bitbacke to work..
12:31.56CoreDump|homewell, I wouldn't know how to go about it
12:31.58polyonymousCoreDump|home, heh, so would I :))
12:32.13CoreDump|homealtboot doesn't support kexec yet anyways ;) patches welcome heh
12:32.15polyonymousTook me some tweaking to get bluetooth card recognized...
12:32.26polyonymousAh, then it's too early to even think about it.
12:32.31_Shirk_You could try by doing a dd backup of /dev/mtdblock0 and scp this to your PC
12:32.54polyonymous_Shirk_, I've done that and I have the backups -- the trick is to extract kernel.
12:32.56_Shirk_I did this once on a IPAQ
12:33.06polyonymousWhich is, according to CoreDump|home, pointless at the time :)
12:33.19_Shirk_Are you able to mount it over loop?
12:33.29_Shirk_(Even if it's pointless ;) )
12:33.40polyonymousKernel isn't in the filesystem as far as I know.
12:33.47polyonymousI can extract the rest, I believe.
12:33.50CoreDump|homepolyonymous: correct
12:34.15_Shirk_Hmm..
12:34.23polyonymousIs there a nice applet that will do a pand -c for me in opie?
12:35.06polyonymousWell, I'll look for it. Or add it into pcmcia start up script, maybe.
12:35.26polyonymousopie-login breaks things, btw.
12:35.54polyonymousWith opie-login installed opie starts in portrait and never gets rotated.
12:35.57CoreDump|homepolyonymous: yes it does. It's kinda useless anyways as you can't run Opie as a user
12:36.10polyonymousAh, you can't? Then it doesn't matter.
12:36.24polyonymousI just thought it would be nice to drop root.
12:36.32CoreDump|homeheh
12:36.38CoreDump|homenot with opie =)
12:36.55polyonymousI see. Well, I'm yet to build gpe and boot into it for experiments :)
12:37.22polyonymousopie improved greatly since 3.5.4, I have to admit
12:37.24_Shirk_I think in gpe it's possible to be not-root
12:37.41polyonymousIt should be. X is X, after all :)
12:37.49CoreDump|homenot only possible, but the default
12:38.09polyonymousSounds like sensible default :)
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13:09.15alan|laptophi all
13:09.26CoreDump|homehi alan|laptop
13:09.45alan|laptopyop CoreDump|home
13:15.47polyonymousmy opie doesn't start anymore :)
13:16.00_Shirk_What happened?
13:16.19polyonymous_Shirk_, strangely enough it's died after installing pwmpi.
13:16.30polyonymousBut before I've installed a few applets, I think they're to blame.
13:16.42polyonymousremoving pwmpi didn't help, of course.
13:16.52polyonymousIs there a way to trace opie startup?
13:17.19_Shirk_None I could remember..
13:17.37polyonymousHmm...
13:17.55_Shirk_Can you enter a runlevel before opie?
13:17.56CoreDump|homeedit /etc/init.d/opie to show output messages
13:18.19polyonymousCoreDump|home, output messages? It does show everything up to starting in daemon mode...
13:18.27CoreDump|homehmm
13:18.34polyonymousIs there any option to opie for verbose execution?
13:18.39polyonymousfor qpe
13:18.51polyonymousI see. Thanks :
13:34.06polyonymousit was inputhelper applet...
13:39.20polyonymousis it possible to altboot to usb storage?
13:39.46CoreDump|homewith kernel 2.4 yes
13:40.04polyonymousI take it the answer implies what with 2.6 now? :)
13:40.05polyonymousno :)
13:40.19CoreDump|homeright heh
13:41.06polyonymousThen can I altboot into looped filesystem? :)
13:41.25CoreDump|homecheck /etc/altboot-2.6.conf and /etc/altboot-menu/$whatever the usb script is called
13:41.44polyonymousWell, right, I need to see for myself before asking questions :)
13:41.57polyonymousI haven't even taken a look yet.
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16:12.16polyonymousHm... dimming screen sucks... Can I get my brightness back via ssh?
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16:20.16gomoranHallo, wieso gibt's bei OZ immer Probleme mit links wenn man Pakete auf die SD-Karte installieren will? Kann man das irgendwie hinbekommen?
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17:47.59bam_anyone got oz running on a 3100?
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17:58.53galvAtr0neccerr0r hi dude ;)
17:59.04galvAtr0ni managed to get 4MB on /root ;))
18:01.24galvAtr0nanyone know if zgcc works on OZ 3.5.4 ?
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18:11.13Shirkwhat are those 'Enlightenment DR17 images' talked about on the OZ 3.5.4 release??
18:12.11webmindShirk, well... there are soem e17 test images
18:12.32ShirkI like e17
18:15.55galvAtr0nhow can i list the files in a package ?
18:17.18galvAtr0nis it posible to list the files in a /ipk ?
18:17.29galvAtr0nsorry i mean .ipk (typo)
18:20.04ShirkWhere can I get those e17 testimages ?? Are there screenshots available??
18:20.30ShirkgalvAtr0n it should be possible with MC
18:20.46ShirkBut you may need to rename the file first
18:23.15ShirkAh I see gpe ipk's in 3.5.4 feed
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18:39.04bam_where to find instructions for oz/3100 install?
18:39.13polyonymouson oz site?
18:39.36polyonymousbasically, put zImage.bin, gnu-tar and hdimage1.tgz along with updater.sh on CF card.
18:39.40bam_hehe, I was hoping for a link, im lazy today
18:39.46polyonymoushttp://openzaurus.org/wordpress/installation/sl-c3100/
18:40.19bam_cool
18:40.21bam_thanks
18:40.28bam_off tu fugg up my z
18:40.37bam_:)
18:40.53polyonymousgood luck. should be no big deal. flashed it yesterday :)
18:42.10bam_all works well
18:42.14bam_I take it
18:42.34polyonymousMostly. Some tweaks are needed once in a while.
18:42.35ShirkOZ 3.5.3 segfaults while starting opie
18:42.51polyonymousThere's no 3.5.3 for 3100, Shirk :)
18:43.09bam_polyonymous, , you used the 2,6 kernel correct?
18:43.14polyonymousbam_, right
18:43.23bam_installs on microdrive?
18:43.33polyonymousyes, only kernel itself goes into flash
18:43.42bam_oh, cool
18:43.55bam_whats your partitioning scheme look like
18:44.00bam_for the micro
18:44.05ShirkBut for SL5500 ..
18:44.09polyonymousMine -- /dev/hda1 ext3 partition only :)
18:44.31polyonymousShirk, I thought you were referring to our conversation with bam_
18:44.46ShirkNo - sorry -
18:44.52polyonymousAh, okay.
18:45.01bam_the whole drive 8|
18:45.10bam_o_O
18:45.16polyonymousbam_, yeah, why would I bother with partitioning?
18:45.34bam_good point....any swap partition or file?
18:45.41ShirkHow's the whole system speed when / is on microdirve?
18:45.47polyonymousWell, I have swap file, but prefer not to use it.
18:45.59polyonymousShirk, alright. Supposedly faster than flash
18:46.11bam_ok...time for a microdrive backup
18:46.26polyonymousmy brief test shows that hdd is times faster.
18:46.27ShirkI thought about buying one..
18:46.42polyonymousbam_, Yeah, I rsync-ed it before flashing :)
18:46.49ShirkYeah and it has more space than CF
18:47.02bam_hmmm
18:47.04polyonymousYes, I like it so far.
18:47.49ShirkI bought my Z to use it along with a sdio wlan and a micro drive as mini webserver
18:48.35polyonymousSo Z supports sd wlan on 5500?
18:48.59ShirkYes
18:49.03polyonymousnot on 3100
18:49.34ShirkThe person I got mine from did wlan with it. But he refused to sell his wlan card to me :(
18:49.53polyonymousWell, if you're going to go for 3100, you will have to get CF wlan, anyway.
18:50.56ShirkWell.. if i stumble uppon some money..
18:51.21bam_what about usb lan adapters?
18:51.35polyonymousI bought mine and I surely couldn't afford doing it :)
18:51.44polyonymousbam_, never tried, should be possible.
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18:52.16bam_cool
18:52.46ShirkWorks without probs
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18:53.59galvAtr0nPOLY is this YOU ==========> www.Polyonymous.justgotowned.com
18:54.05polyonymousNo
18:54.23galvAtr0nit think it is dude it looks like you lol
18:54.30galvAtr0nthat must of hurt
18:54.47polyonymousVery funny :)
18:54.54galvAtr0nLOL ;)
18:55.03galvAtr0nchange the name send it to your friends
18:55.29polyonymousTo be true, I have better things to do :)
18:55.37galvAtr0n:)
18:56.01galvAtr0nits a good site for if you own at FPS ;)
18:56.21galvAtr0nsome funny pics too
18:58.19bam_hey polyonymous ,where is the downloads for oz,3100
18:58.44polyonymousyou're lazy bastard :)
18:58.51polyonymoushttp://openzaurus.org/wordpress/2006/03/21/openzaurus-3541-alpha1-release/ -- the first link
18:58.52bam_indeed....
18:58.57bam_cool
18:59.07polyonymousbut I was told there's no ipk feed for it...
18:59.21polyonymousSo you may need to use 3.5.4 feed, I don't know.
18:59.28polyonymousI've flashed my own build.
18:59.38Shirkhttp://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/mirror/www.openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.4/images/ (correct me if im wrong)
18:59.58Shirkthere is also a 'feed' directory on that server
18:59.59polyonymousShirk, you're wrong, because there's no 3.5.4 for 3100.
19:00.11polyonymousOther than that you're right.
19:00.27polyonymous(probably. haven't checked the link)
19:00.46ShirkThere is also a 3.5.3/images/ on the server ^^;;
19:00.48bam_but if you were ever with the palmos and into the not-so-legal corners you wouldnt say that too much :)
19:01.06polyonymousShirk, there's no 3.5.3 for 3100 either :) only 3.5.4.1-alpha1
19:01.07ShirkJust browse it!
19:01.27bam_so what feed do we use for the 3100?
19:01.40CoreDump|afk3.5.4
19:01.47polyonymousbam_, I've use palm before buying Z :)
19:02.02polyonymousHere, finally, comes the one who knows :)
19:02.08ShirkWhat palm?
19:02.15polyonymousShirk, tungsten t
19:02.19bam_hehe, yea I know a bit
19:02.25bam_or byte
19:02.26Shirk*enlight us!!*
19:02.27polyonymousUsed to have handspring visor before.
19:02.39polyonymousbam_, I was referring to CoreDump :)
19:02.48Shirknice
19:03.12polyonymousbon appetit.
19:03.13ShirkI had an ipaq h3600
19:03.19bam_yea, but im lazy tooo
19:03.21bam_lol
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19:03.52polyonymousI'm going to try to get opera to work with OZ now...
19:04.04galvAtr0npoly what ver ?
19:04.32polyonymousver of what?
19:04.40galvAtr0nis it the multimodal voiceXML ver of opera ?
19:04.57bam_poly you use 3.5.4 7x0 images and install
19:05.01Shirkpoly: How long does it take to do a whole own build?
19:05.01bam_...huh
19:05.39bam_nm, wrong link, duh!
19:05.42polyonymousbam_, image of what?
19:05.53polyonymousShirk, I normally do it overnight.
19:05.55bam_im being stupid
19:06.18bam_I can read asm but cant seem to pay attention to links go figure
19:06.21galvAtr0non my 5600 dropbear seems to get started twice which is causing putty to hang
19:06.22ShirkOK
19:06.23polyonymousgalvAtr0n, what is multimodal voiceXML? I want a browser! :)
19:06.54polyonymousgalvAtr0n, It's unlikely scenario.
19:06.55galvAtr0nibm released a ver of opera with voice commands ;)
19:07.09galvAtr0ni used it with the sharp rom
19:07.32galvAtr0nu use voice commands to control opera
19:07.34polyonymousgalvAtr0n, if I wanted opera with voice commands I wouldn't buy Z with keyboard!! Besides, I don't think my voice is good enough for opera.
19:07.48ShirkYou can say 'crash' and don't need to do anything else ;)
19:07.52polyonymousAnd, doez 3100 have microphone, anyway?
19:09.00galvAtr0nits worth trying its cool ;)
19:09.30ShirkYou have to 'speak' the commands by making click noises on the keyboard ^^
19:09.44galvAtr0ncheck it out http://www-306.ibm.com/software/pervasive/multimodal/demos.shtml theres a video demo too
19:10.01polyonymouswaste of bandwidth! :)
19:10.25ShirkWho
19:10.33galvAtr0nits done on the Z using voiceXML no change to bandwidth
19:10.40Shirkhas bandwidth?
19:11.02galvAtr0nwhat version of opera were you going to install ?
19:11.43ShirkgalvAtr0n: I think poly meant watching the video is a waste of bandwith
19:11.53galvAtr0nLOL ;) ok
19:12.27ShirkCan anyone tell me about the performance of GPE on SL5500??
19:12.44galvAtr0nits really easy to customise the html files to include your own voice commands and post data to your sever
19:12.53ShirkIt performed poorly on my old IPAQ..
19:13.09galvAtr0nit worked great on my 5600
19:13.17polyonymousgalvAtr0n, no idea, the one I had on cacko rom
19:15.10polyonymousI'm build gpe right now, but I don't have 5500
19:15.22polyonymousbuilding that is
19:15.34ShirkOK i think i try it.. (at least as long as opie segfaults..)
19:16.08Shirkpoly: I still need to get that cross-compiler working to be able to build from oe..
19:16.09polyonymousShirk, What I like about having 4G is that I can have both :)
19:16.20polyonymousShirk, 2.95 ?
19:16.31Shirk?
19:16.38polyonymouswhat crosscompiler?
19:16.48polyonymousMost of the tools are built by oe itself.
19:17.33ShirkI think it should be gcc 2.95 but im not shure (running window$ atm)
19:17.39polyonymousI don't know if 2.95 crosstools are needed for 2.6 build, but I have one just unpacked and put somewhere... Don't know if it's used with recent builds.
19:17.51polyonymousI haven't compiled 2.95 crosstools myself.
19:18.43ShirkI considered using the cross-sdk but didn't have the time to test it
19:19.12polyonymoushmm.. opera doesn't start of course and ldd doesn't work for some reason...
19:19.47ShirkCoreDump: There is a flash util for 5500 under windows, but it needs a working distro on the Z..
19:24.11polyonymousWish there was a better browser for opie :(
19:24.43ShirkThere is Konqueror but I wouldn't call it 'better'
19:25.12polyonymousThe worst thing about it is that it doesn't understand anything but utf
19:25.25polyonymousAt least when it comes to russian charsets.
19:25.30ShirkI personaly prefer UTF8
19:25.34ShirkOh..
19:25.57polyonymousMy preferences don't matter much -- it's up to webmaster ;-)
19:26.19polyonymousShould build a utf-converting proxy? :)
19:26.33ShirkSomeone should do a I18N capable opie firefox..
19:26.46polyonymousI'm not asking for that much.
19:27.11polyonymousI don't like opera, but for this use I'd stick with it.
19:27.14ShirkNo, but wouldn't it be nice to have?
19:27.30polyonymousProbably yes.
19:28.02polyonymousBut FF has its own problems. ver since I installed 1.5 I can't help thinking about RAM upgrade.
19:28.33ShirkThis is mainly the page caching.. you can turn it of and the memory footprint will drop down
19:28.42galvAtr0nis the gcc.ipk for onboard compilation ?
19:30.30polyonymousShirk, I know, I've reduced it to minimum, but still...
19:30.35Shirkwhat else should it be?
19:30.40polyonymousgalvAtr0n, probably, yes. what else?
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19:45.46CoreDump|homere
19:46.05CoreDump|homeShirk: darn. I didn't know that sorry
19:46.28bronsonI just hauld my 5500 out of the closet and installed GPE.
19:46.32bronsonWow, it's come a long way.
19:46.42Shirknp, i couldn't use it..
19:46.58ShirkIs it fast?
19:47.05CoreDump|homebronson: sure has heh
19:47.25ShirkBetter: is it 'not slow'?
19:47.26polyonymousYou guys have such wonderful closets :)
19:47.38bronsonheh.  you wouldn't see that if you saw it.
19:47.39CoreDump|homeGPE < 3.5.3 was a joke
19:48.12CoreDump|homeon a collie it's a bit of a pain tho
19:48.26Shirkif your closet is able to conserve a zaurus it is way better than mine..
19:48.48bronsonIt's definitely got a few wrinkles but it's way better than 1.5 years ago.
19:48.52bronsonI might actually use it this time.
19:51.42bronsonHOLY COW!!  Ok, gpe-aerial is cool.
19:52.20polyonymousCoreDump|home, same here :)
19:52.32polyonymousbuilding gpe :)
19:52.36CoreDump|homedito
19:52.42polyonymousheh
19:53.09polyonymousCoreDump|home, are there known success stories getting opera to work on OZ?
19:53.26CoreDump|homepolyonymous: never tried it
19:53.37CoreDump|homekonq/e on opie was enough for me
19:53.50polyonymousCoreDump|home, It would be enough for me if it could handle anything but utf...
19:53.57CoreDump|homeso is the gpe mini browser (and firefox to the rescue heh)
19:55.09polyonymousI think it makes sense to have both opie and gpe side by side.
19:55.29CoreDump|homepolyonymous: well, there are people on oesf.org who managed to run Opera 7.? on OZ3.5.3
19:56.01polyonymousEncouragine.
19:56.02polyonymousg
19:56.54CoreDump|homethe damn thing is compiling for 5hrs straight now
19:57.20polyonymousThat is not encouraging -- I started my build way later :)
19:57.26polyonymousAre you building from scratch?
19:57.31CoreDump|homeyes
19:57.50polyonymousAh. I use the same tree I used for opie, so it should be faster :)
19:58.08ShirkWhere is the difference between the gpe-*.rootfs.initrd.bin and the gpe-*.rootfs.ext2 (I mean other than the size)
19:58.10CoreDump|homeyou might run into problems with SDL apps tho
19:58.24polyonymousbecause I used it for opie build? how so?
19:58.30CoreDump|homeShirk: the .bin is a jffs2 image for flashing
19:58.53CoreDump|homethe .ext2 file is a loop-image that can be booted with altboot
19:59.01CoreDump|home(w/o flashing)
19:59.04Shirkok
19:59.34CoreDump|homepolyonymous: right, a default opie-image shouldn't require SDL
19:59.47polyonymousCoreDump|home, yes, but I'm doing build gpe-image now
19:59.51ShirkI think i need to install gdb on my Z..
20:00.06polyonymousWhat I was trying to say is that I don't need to build all the dev tools and bootstrap packages.
20:00.12CoreDump|homeright
20:00.22CoreDump|homelibc is a bitch isn't it? =D
20:00.38polyonymousso is life.
20:00.43CoreDump|homehehe
20:00.52polyonymousI've installed altboot.
20:01.06CoreDump|homethat should be in the default image
20:01.06polyonymousThere is an /etc/altboot-2.4.cfg -- is it by design?
20:01.14CoreDump|homeyep
20:01.17polyonymousI think it's not.
20:01.27polyonymousBut I have 2.6 :)
20:01.34CoreDump|homeakita rightß
20:01.36CoreDump|home?
20:01.39polyonymousborzoi
20:01.42CoreDump|homeahh
20:02.12CoreDump|homealtboot on borzoi should work
20:02.26polyonymousI didn't say it doesn't work yet
20:02.31CoreDump|homehehe
20:02.41polyonymousI was talking about 2.4 configuration when I have 2.6
20:02.42ShirkIf you mean 'the one you get from the os hp' - then there is no altboot..
20:02.57polyonymousI mean, I haven't tried it yet.
20:03.05CoreDump|homepolyonymous: oops, no -2.6 config?
20:03.09polyonymousnope
20:03.16CoreDump|homeuh oh
20:03.30polyonymousI've updated OE yesterday.
20:03.42CoreDump|homewell, as I do not have access to a spitz or borzoi, testing these is a pain
20:03.51CoreDump|homelet me see...
20:04.09polyonymousWell, no worries, I'll try to figure it out and will get back to you
20:04.24polyonymousBut first I'll have to get my gpe-image built :)
20:04.49CoreDump|homepolyonymous: rebooting now *might* be fatal heh
20:04.57Shirkgrrr.. why does this thing segfault..
20:05.15CoreDump|homeas you have OE, you could use akitas -2.6.cfg
20:05.24polyonymousI think you exaggerate it, but I see your point, I'd better relink /sbin/init for now :)
20:05.33polyonymousAh, lemme see.
20:05.55polyonymousAre you serious about being fatal? With no possibility to fallback to init.sysvinit?
20:05.57CoreDump|homeas 2.6 boots straight off HDD it should be identical to akita
20:06.24CoreDump|homepolyonymous: well, basic boot-up should work. I've never tested these failsafes tho
20:06.58polyonymousHm... in OE there is files/borzoi/altboot-2.6.cfg
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20:07.25CoreDump|homeupdate your tree ;) borzoi == spitz now
20:07.44polyonymousAh, right, I've built for spitz, but checked borzoi directory
20:08.01polyonymousAnd there is no spitz/altboot-2.6.cfg :)
20:08.13CoreDump|homenope
20:08.22cruisefxHas anyone gotten the linux.inf from the Linux kernel to work with OZ 3.5.4 under Windoze?
20:08.25CoreDump|homethat's why I was asking you to try the akita cfg
20:08.42ShirkDoes oe build .ipk's ??
20:08.44polyonymousOkay, I'll fetch it now.
20:08.50CoreDump|homeShirk: yep
20:08.50polyonymousShirk, yes
20:09.21CoreDump|homecruisefx: what on earth is a "linux.inf"?
20:09.25ShirkFine, then I'll try it tomorrow..
20:09.36polyonymousOkay, I got the one for akita. looking at it now.
20:09.51ShirkMaybe a linux driver for windows ^^
20:09.55cruisefxCoreDump|home: It is a driver that adds a USB networking device for Linux gadgets under windows....
20:10.15cruisefxCoreDump|home: It is included with the Linux kernel...
20:10.25CoreDump|homecruisefx: really? heh didn't know that
20:10.27cruisefxCoreDump|home: But I can't get it to work properly...
20:10.28ShirkWhat 'gadget' exactly
20:10.38polyonymousCoreDump|home, probably you don't have windows machine :)
20:10.48CoreDump|homeexactly ;)
20:11.17ShirkLinux.inf.. I have to check that one..
20:11.22polyonymousI have one, but it lacks power supply :)
20:11.30cruisefxCan't get USB networking to function properly under XP...
20:11.33polyonymousUse it as a printer stand
20:11.46cruisefxShirk:  Documentation/usb/linux.inf
20:11.48CoreDump|homecruisefx: sorry, can't help you with that one
20:12.03ShirkWhat device do you have?
20:12.09cruisefxSL-5500...
20:12.12CoreDump|homepolyonymous: see? Windows _is_ good for something hehe
20:12.29ShirkWait a moment..
20:12.31polyonymousIndeed.
20:12.57ShirkTry this: http://www.sharpusa.com/files/hpc_soft_installcd.exe - it includes a working usb driver
20:13.38cruisefxShirk: I've tried it.  I'm going to give up on Windoze now...
20:14.08ShirkHmm it worked for me out of the box? What did you do?
20:14.25cruisefxShirk: Internet access from the Zaurus is what I'm after..
20:14.49ShirkAnd what exactly is the problem?
20:15.31cruisefxShirk: The NDIS5 driver works half the time.  Can't get NAT to work with the device.  Can't use ICS.  usbd0 device doesn't come up....
20:15.59ShirkSounds bad..
20:16.26cruisefxShirk: yeah, although I would have thought that someone would have worked it out by now...
20:16.32ShirkI just put the Z on the docking station and told windows where to find the drivers..
20:17.14CoreDump|homepolyonymous: do me a favor and /msg me if the akita-2.6.cfg works for you. I'll push it for spitz then
20:17.32polyonymouswill do, once I get an image to test with :)
20:17.40CoreDump|home;) no hurry
20:17.50ShirkFor NAT your may need to setup a registry key to enable routing from window$
20:18.18polyonymousThere seems to be a usb storage support. Didn't you tell me earlier that I can't usb-altboot on 2.6?
20:18.19cruisefxShirk: Yeah, now I'm thinking I need the Zaurus Manager to do this.  I have uninstalled all that and am just working with the driver...
20:18.40CoreDump|homepolyonymous: right, support for 2.6 was never implemented
20:18.42polyonymousBut there seems to be kexec support as well, so :)
20:19.11ShirkIf you mean the regkey try this: http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/WindowsIpaqRoutingHowto - it is for ipaq but should also work for Z
20:19.14polyonymousOkay, and IMAGE_PATH means path on card or can it be on hdd?
20:19.26bam_ok here we go...
20:20.38CoreDump|homeagain, kexec is not implemented as kernel 2.6 on akita screws up the flash and makes it unreadable for 2.4
20:20.51polyonymousAh, I see.
20:21.02CoreDump|homeIMAGE_PATH is the subfolder search on any off-flash root
20:21.15polyonymousOkay, maybe I should just reboot for fun now? To test if can at least bot normally? :)
20:21.20CoreDump|homeright
20:21.49ShirkIs there something like a microdrive for SD?
20:21.54polyonymousI will
20:22.17CoreDump|homeShirk: not that I knew of
20:22.48polyonymousrebooting... :)
20:24.02polyonymousumm... I don't think it's altboot-related, but it doesn't seem to power on...
20:24.17CoreDump|homereboot = halt on 2.6
20:24.27CoreDump|homeyay, GPE is compiled
20:24.31polyonymousYes, but on/off...
20:24.41CoreDump|homeanother 2.6 bug
20:24.43Shirkthats a new one..
20:24.55CoreDump|homedisconnect AC, remove battery for 1 seconds
20:25.00CoreDump|home-> power on
20:25.05Shirkthen maybe start=segafult for opie on 3.5.3?
20:25.07CoreDump|homes/1/10
20:25.09polyonymousYes, done that already
20:25.21polyonymoususing real init, booting alright
20:25.25CoreDump|homethen your battery is flat =)
20:25.43Shirk\/segafult/segfault
20:25.43polyonymousWhat??
20:25.59polyonymousit's 1 month old.
20:26.09polyonymousBesides, I'm booting on battery now :)
20:26.12CoreDump|homenot dead, just not full enough
20:26.20polyonymousfully charged.
20:26.25CoreDump|homeit won't turn on before beeing charged XX%
20:26.51polyonymousAnd the led is off, which indicates it's not charging, right?
20:26.55polyonymousWell, anyway, I'm in.
20:27.05polyonymousMy gpe isn't ready yet.
20:27.25ShirkWhere XX comes after XIX and means 20
20:27.27CoreDump|homeremove AC & bat again
20:27.50polyonymousCoreDump|home, what for? It's booting now.
20:27.54CoreDump|homeahh
20:28.01polyonymousI told you, it worked after I reset it, removed battery, etc.
20:28.20CoreDump|homeI missed that line =)
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20:28.32polyonymous"already" meant by the time I was writing it (and you suggested), not when it didn't work last time :)
20:30.53polyonymousis it fast? :)
20:31.31ShirkWhat qpe version does opie use?
20:31.46CoreDump|homehint: the menuing code is a bad hack
20:32.06CoreDump|homeShirk: hmm dunno
20:32.14polyonymousCoreDump|home, I'm not reading it to criticize )
20:32.22CoreDump|home;)
20:32.30ShirkAt least it keeps crashing every time..
20:32.48CoreDump|homeShirk: opie on collie is very stable
20:33.20CoreDump|homepolyonymous: if you wonder about all the redirects think one word: busybox
20:33.25ShirkIt's so stable it terminates with a segfault on startup..
20:33.33polyonymouswill do :)
20:33.43CoreDump|homeShirk: something went wrong then
20:34.16ShirkI flashed OZ 3.5.3 with 64:0 zImage..
20:34.35CoreDump|home3.5.3 is 1yr old
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20:34.41CoreDump|homebut stable, too
20:34.47bam_hey quick question
20:35.06bam_which file is hdd1 image?
20:35.08ShirkThat's why im loading gpe for about ~1h now..
20:35.17bam_bootstrap?
20:35.24polyonymousbam_,hdimage1.tgz ?
20:35.32Shirkhdd1?
20:35.35bam_yea
20:35.47polyonymouspolyonymous, opie or gpe, whichever you prefer
20:35.56bam_ive got updater.sh, zImage.bin, gnu-tar
20:35.58polyonymoussure you may prefer bootstrap, but I doubt you really do.
20:36.00bam_so far
20:36.15bam_ok so delete bootstrap
20:36.44polyonymousroughly speaking, I think, bootstrap is opie and gpe intersection :)
20:36.52bam_so the gpe or opie is the hdd*.image right
20:37.03polyonymoushdimage1.tgz iirc
20:37.10bam_oh so you can boot either...?
20:37.12Shirkpoly: only without opie and gpe ;)
20:37.31polyonymousShirk, well, opie and gpe do not intersect much, so they're left out.
20:37.47Shirk*G*
20:37.48CoreDump|homeheh
20:38.03polyonymousCoreDump|home, can't you run real init from altboot menu?
20:38.09bam_so rename gpe-image*.tar.gz to hdimage1.tgz
20:38.21bam_correct?
20:38.36polyonymousRight
20:38.42CoreDump|homepolyonymous: nope, normal boot does that anyway
20:38.43bam_good...
20:39.01polyonymousUmm...
20:39.14bam_well here we go.....
20:39.22polyonymousI don't get it, I thought altboot comes in when I'm booting?
20:39.51ShirkBut altboot still needs a real init ..
20:39.55polyonymousSo what makes it use realinit now?
20:40.01polyonymousShirk, that is out of question :)
20:40.09CoreDump|homepolyonymous: right after the kernel has booted it will prompt for user input
20:40.22polyonymousCoreDump|home, that's what I expected it to do...
20:40.22CoreDump|homeif none is recieved it'll boot
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20:40.37polyonymousProbably I was busy talking to you when it did :)
20:40.54CoreDump|homeor the cfg is missing ;)
20:41.26CoreDump|homeENABLE_ALTBOOT != "yes" would do that
20:41.28bam_you know as much as I play I should order a new 3100
20:42.14polyonymousCoreDump|home, I checked for that, file is there and it's enabled.
20:42.24polyonymousbam_, why?
20:42.37CoreDump|homedid you relink init to altboot?
20:43.07polyonymousCoreDump|home, well, when I looked at the screen it DID say 'Using real init' :) But I'll reboot again to see if I just missed it.
20:43.44CoreDump|homethat line is followed by one or more "*"
20:43.50CoreDump|homehow many?
20:44.47bam_always worried when flashing
20:44.52polyonymousI'll reboot now :)
20:44.57polyonymousbam_, did you nand backup? :)
20:45.04bam_hmmmm, no
20:45.09jayja1hi.
20:45.18bam_got cacko backup in my laptop
20:45.36jayja1_ployonymous, what is nand ?
20:46.57polyonymousbam_, that's not exactly the same.
20:46.59jayja1sorry, polyonymous_, I meant.
20:47.20polyonymousjayja1, I don't remember...
20:47.34jayja1polyonymous_, thx.
20:47.46polyonymousI mean, it's Z's "flash", but what does abbreviation mean I don't remember
20:47.52polyonymous(if I ever knew)
20:48.00jayja1ok
20:48.22NAbyssNAND as in the logic gate..
20:48.37NAbyssFlash's made out of either NAND or NOR gates
20:48.39bam_hmmm that was easy
20:49.18Shirkcan i simply flash a nand backup --> back to the z?
20:50.03polyonymousShirk, most of the time yes
20:50.21bam_how do I blinkin change *@spitz?
20:50.25CoreDump|homeNAbyss: exactly
20:50.45jayja1NAbyss: o.k.
20:50.50polyonymousCoreDump|home, 1 star
20:51.02polyonymousmeans test "`runlevel`" != "unknown" -a "$1" != "-force"
20:51.08CoreDump|homeyep
20:51.16bam_no fdisk?
20:51.25jayja1NAbyss: +1 star from me too = 2 stars
20:51.53polyonymousbam_, where have you installed OZ if you haven't re-fdisked hdd?
20:51.58CoreDump|homepolyonymous: now that's odd
20:52.25polyonymousCoreDump|home, I'm glad we bumbed into something interesting! :) I'll go fetch me some tea.
20:52.26bam_i did
20:52.49bam_but didnt mkfs on the 2nd partition...stupid me
20:53.37bam_need to re-fdisk for that
20:54.46polyonymouswhy refdisk?
20:55.13polyonymousCoreDump|home, any more exciting ideas?
20:55.20CoreDump|homepolyonymous: that function detects whether altboot was launched by the kernel (in which case runlevel should be "unknown") or the user (where runlevel would be set)
20:55.28polyonymousThat's what I thought.
20:55.54polyonymousWell, I'll reboot again to see if I just forgot the number of stars by the time I reported it to you :)
20:56.04CoreDump|homewait
20:56.06polyonymous(this is, indeed, possible)
20:56.18polyonymousSure I can wait, but Z is went for reboot already :))
20:56.21CoreDump|homeplace this: echo "runlevel: [`runlevel`]"
20:56.29CoreDump|homebefore the if please
20:56.45polyonymousyes, one star. Sure, will do on the next boot :)
20:57.06CoreDump|homeit might be that your /var is pupulated with garbage
20:57.17polyonymousIt sure may.
20:57.18CoreDump|homewhich would be the reason "runlevel" lies
20:57.31polyonymousMaybe I'd rather clean up /var? :)
20:57.41polyonymouswhere is runlevel stored?
20:58.01CoreDump|home<PROTECTED>
20:58.11polyonymousare you kidding?
20:58.15CoreDump|homeno
20:58.17polyonymouson borzoi?
20:58.25CoreDump|home<PROTECTED>
20:58.33polyonymousit's not
20:58.43CoreDump|homeit should be tmpfs
20:58.53polyonymouswell, it's not.
20:59.24polyonymousIt's likely this is exactly what the problem is, then.
20:59.51CoreDump|homepolyonymous: you are right, it's not on spitz
21:00.04polyonymousyeah, neither on spitz, I suppose.
21:00.09CoreDump|hometmpfs for /var is disabled in fstab
21:00.31CoreDump|home"  Runlevel reads the system utmp file (typically /var/run/utmp) to locate
21:00.31CoreDump|home<PROTECTED>
21:00.53polyonymousSo, probably, shutdown doesn't do what it supposed to do.
21:00.57polyonymousI'll echo runlevel now.
21:01.41CoreDump|homeright
21:01.56polyonymoushmm..
21:02.17polyonymousThe system is going down for reboot NOW!
21:02.17polyonymousrunlevel: [N 5]
21:02.18polyonymous:))
21:02.27CoreDump|homehehe
21:02.36polyonymous[5 6]
21:03.42CoreDump|homenow that is a problem
21:03.43polyonymousso, should it be like "${RL}" != "${RL%6}" ?
21:04.14CoreDump|homerunlevel in this state is "unknown"
21:04.43polyonymousSounds like there is another condition to test for on borzoi
21:04.47polyonymous(and spitz:))
21:04.59CoreDump|homeyou could just enable the tmpf in fstab as a work-around
21:05.11CoreDump|homeof fix the bug causing this
21:05.13polyonymousI don't think it's the way to go
21:05.57polyonymousI think we can just test for allowed runlevels?
21:06.06bam_so without fdisk how do I access my hdd to correct the minor issue?
21:06.07polyonymousfor examples the ones with trailing 6
21:06.18polyonymousbam_, how does fdisk help?
21:06.39polyonymousyou need mkfs, right?
21:06.42CoreDump|homethe way to go is to fix the bug in OZ. A screwed up /var can mess up many things
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21:06.56polyonymousCoreDump|home, I think var shouldn't be cleaned up.
21:07.04bam_well ~ is in ram right now, need to mkfs on my second partition
21:07.09ShirkWho! GPE is done!!
21:07.12polyonymousand this runlevel seems to be perfectly legal for reboot.
21:07.24CoreDump|homehmm
21:08.20CoreDump|homethe question is what is the runlevel of a "real" distro at INIT time
21:08.26bam_err..yea, but how do I see what partitions exist on my disk?
21:08.35CoreDump|homewhat is it supposed to be
21:08.36polyonymousCoreDump|home, hang on, I'll see
21:08.46polyonymousI think uml should do
21:08.52CoreDump|homenice
21:09.37polyonymoushmm... after `poweroff` seems to be '3 0'
21:09.50polyonymous3 for default (gentoo)
21:10.14polyonymousso, I think, you need to check against allowed runlevels.
21:10.28CoreDump|homeouch
21:10.30polyonymouslike 6 for reboot, 0 for poweroff. anything else?
21:10.52CoreDump|homeand "5" after the user hit reset...
21:11.02polyonymousUmm.. :(
21:12.09polyonymouswell, it's okay to disallow this reset runlevel, isn't it?
21:12.13jayja1_polyonymous: so, I think, you need to check against allowed runlevels.
21:12.19jayja1sorry -> quoting
21:12.33jayja1do we have a inittab on zaurus where we have the allowed runlevels ?
21:12.37jayja1we could grep them from there.
21:12.49polyonymousjayja1, allowed for altboot, not just allowed runlevels.
21:13.18polyonymousI think it's only halt and reboot.... 0 and 6
21:13.50jayja1_polyonymous :: o.k. I understand.
21:14.29CoreDump|homehmm do you guys know another, better, way to check if we are at INIT time or not?
21:14.53polyonymousAbsense of /proc filesystem?
21:15.01CoreDump|homehmmmm
21:15.22CoreDump|homebut "mount" ready /proc/mounts heh
21:15.26CoreDump|homereads
21:15.41polyonymousCoreDump|home, test -f /proc/cmdline
21:15.49CoreDump|homeyeah
21:15.54CoreDump|homesounds good
21:15.56polyonymouscmdline is the first thing that came into my head
21:16.41polyonymous/proc/version is probably a better choice
21:16.44polyonymousbut doesn't really matter.
21:17.06CoreDump|homeif test -f /proc/cmdline -a "$1" != "-force"
21:17.12CoreDump|hometry it =)
21:17.13polyonymousok
21:17.37jayja1_CoreDump:: altboot is your baby?
21:17.41CoreDump|homeyep
21:18.01jayja1just looked in bb-file ;o).
21:18.01polyonymousshutdown went fine :
21:18.02polyonymous:)
21:18.10CoreDump|homefamous last words hehe
21:18.15bam_mke2fs, doesnt exist...?
21:18.23polyonymousaaargh!! doesn't power on again :)))
21:19.25polyonymousHey, what password? :)
21:19.30bam_or mkfs.ext2, so how does one make a ext2fs with OZ?
21:19.45polyonymousbam_, where are you in?
21:19.51CoreDump|homebam_: install e2fstools
21:19.56bam_x-term with su
21:20.15bam_cant that be done via the feed?
21:20.20CoreDump|homeyes
21:20.24polyonymousanyway, CoreDump|home it worked.
21:20.29CoreDump|homethe feed is pretty complete
21:20.34CoreDump|homepolyonymous: excellent
21:20.49CoreDump|homeI'll check that in tomorrow, thanks!
21:20.54polyonymousbut what does it do?
21:21.13polyonymousI mean, it runs that "last selection" 1...
21:21.27CoreDump|homewhich is the default boot
21:21.49CoreDump|homeit displays a 3 or 4 second timeout in which you can press any key to pop up the menu
21:22.06CoreDump|homedon't tell me that didn't work either heh
21:22.07polyonymousCan I make a menu item that just execs real init?
21:22.13bam_are the feeds in the install correct and up-to-date?
21:22.23CoreDump|homepolyonymous: sure
21:22.41CoreDump|homerun_module() {
21:22.41CoreDump|homeexec $REAL_INIT "$INIT_RUNLEVEL"
21:22.41CoreDump|homeexit 0
21:22.41polyonymousOkay. Because it's strange way to boot as if nothing has happened in my opinion...
21:22.41CoreDump|home}
21:22.49CoreDump|homethat's the default boot
21:23.24polyonymousWhy does it do all that cardmger/pivot_root instead?
21:23.37CoreDump|homeahhhhh
21:23.43CoreDump|home~lart spitz
21:23.50CoreDump|homei know what that is
21:23.53polyonymous~lart yourself :)
21:24.11CoreDump|homeit is the retarded spitz default boot which is no longer needed in 2.6
21:24.15bam_~lart polyonymous
21:24.30polyonymous~lart itself
21:24.38polyonymoussmartass!
21:24.40CoreDump|homehehe
21:24.49bam_~lart ibot
21:25.02bam_well I tried
21:25.06jakudoes it work bluetooth with 5500?
21:25.35CoreDump|homepolyonymous: it would be probably easier to just install altboots akita.ipk
21:26.01polyonymousI think I'll just change run_module :)
21:26.14CoreDump|homehttp://oz.hentges.net/openembedded/altboot/latest-snapshot/
21:26.57polyonymousdo you really think it's easier than changing 00-Default? :)
21:26.57CoreDump|homeor that, yes
21:27.45CoreDump|homeI'd love to dump spitz/borzoi kernel 2.4 support
21:27.57polyonymousIsn't it dumped yet?
21:28.02CoreDump|homenope
21:28.10bam_yea, thought it was already dumped...
21:28.24jayja1Some of you having problem with linking of libs on 5500 or other units, when installing ipk to cf (vfat filesystem) ??
21:28.34CoreDump|homewell, i was talking about altboot =)
21:28.42CoreDump|home2.4 shall die in the next version
21:28.43bam_ipkg search shows nada
21:28.58polyonymousCoreDump|home, I think it would be natural for altboot to drop it as well.
21:29.32jayja1problem with linking .. I wrote a patch for ipkg-link for that problem today.
21:29.53jayja1_Coredump :: someone of the zaurus team that could check it ?
21:29.56polyonymousafter this 2.4 altboot opie came up with a message about new storage card :)
21:30.15CoreDump|homepolyonymous: lol
21:30.40CoreDump|homejayja1: in theory yes, practically I'm off to bed Real Soon ;)
21:30.43bam_bbs..
21:30.46polyonymousOkay, now it's booting 'normal boot' all right.
21:31.10jayja1o.k. should I sent it to you ?
21:31.11polyonymousstill waiting for gpe build.
21:31.18CoreDump|homesure
21:31.25jayja1how by mail or here ?
21:31.49polyonymousdo_rootfs started :)
21:32.03CoreDump|homepolyonymous: nice!
21:34.09jayja1ALL:: In which package do I find diff
21:34.15polyonymousdiffutils?
21:34.18polyonymous(just a guess)
21:34.21jayja1I'll chekc
21:35.08jayja1_polyonymous :: nope
21:35.17polyonymousstrange.
21:35.25CoreDump|homefileutils?
21:35.35jayja1I'll check
21:36.05jayja1_CoreDump :: do you want unified diff for patch "ipkg-link" ?
21:36.40CoreDump|homejayja1: -Nur would be perfect
21:37.12jayja1_CoreDump :: ok
21:37.26polyonymousbuild completed :)
21:39.06polyonymousscping image.
21:40.33galvAtr0ndid u manage to build screen 4 z
21:43.45polyonymousgalvAtr0n, I forgot. Probably yes
21:44.02polyonymous..
21:44.07polyonymousI'll check in a moment
21:44.18galvAtr0ncool will it work on 5600 ?
21:45.21polyonymousaren't there stock screen?
21:46.04jakuhow can I sync calendar with outlook?
21:46.13polyonymousno clue.
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21:48.15galvAtr0nis anyone else having problems with putty where it just hangs after a while
21:48.41galvAtr0nit was working fine
21:51.27jayja1CoreDump: sent you patch for ipkg-link
21:51.41jayja1CoreDump: looking forward to your feedback
21:52.27CoreDump|homejayja1: thanks! No feedback today  tho
21:52.42CoreDump|homen8 all
21:53.05jayja1CoreDump_ :: good n8
22:14.19galvAtr0nno my z is stuck in an infinite loop of configuring multimodal and installing opera to root during boot. how do i stop it ???
22:16.35galvAtr0nlooks like a reflash again :(
22:18.06galvAtr0npoly did that app work then ?
22:22.36galvAtr0ni just flashed but my Z is still gets stuck at configuring multimodal installing opera... why is it still trying to do this after flash ???
22:32.56polyonymousweird. what package have you installed, anyway?
22:33.38galvAtr0n;) the multimodal opera package
22:33.45galvAtr0ndo i need to nand it
22:34.30polyonymousno idea. where have you got it from?
22:35.27galvAtr0nits the ipk from ibm but it wants to install to root which doesnt have enough space
22:35.44polyonymousipk from ibm for what system?
22:35.45galvAtr0nbut it tries at boot
22:35.49galvAtr0nzaurus
22:35.58galvAtr0nive used it on sharp rom
22:37.12galvAtr0nbut how do i stop the infinite loop at boot ?
22:37.23galvAtr0nFn C doesnt work
22:37.59galvAtr0nand i flashed it twice but it still tries to install at boot
22:38.23polyonymousI have no idea what is the layout on your z...
22:38.59galvAtr0nanyone know where i can get a 5600 stock NAND file
22:39.27polyonymousNot me. The first thing I've done was nand backup :)
22:39.47galvAtr0n;)
22:40.05galvAtr0nanyone got the sharp rom nand for 5600 ?
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22:47.01ba1afternoon
22:47.58galvAtr0nECCERR0R have you got a nand backup plz ???
22:48.21galvAtr0nor maybe you could make1 quick plz
22:48.23galvAtr0n;)
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22:52.27ba1what are the working feeds for the 3100?
22:52.36polyonymousfor 3.5.4.1 alpha?
22:52.50ba1shouldnt home appear in mount?
22:52.52ba1yup
22:53.02ba1just installed
22:53.05polyonymousdepends on your layout. for me it shouldn't :)
22:53.13polyonymoususe 3.5.4 feed
22:53.29polyonymoushttp://openzaurus.org/wordpress/faq/
22:53.59ba1so the ones that are installed by default are ok
22:54.18polyonymousI have no idea what are the ones installed by default :)
22:54.31polyonymousI have installed my own build, so I've immediately put in my own feed :)
22:54.53ba1cool
22:55.08ba1what web browser works currently
22:55.34polyonymousopie or gpe?
22:55.40ba1gpee
22:55.54polyonymousthere is this mini web browser installed by default, I believe.
22:56.26ba1crashes on oesf when postingg
22:56.56ba1is there a task switcher applet?
22:56.59polyonymousWell, I wouldn't use Z for it, anyway :)
22:57.06polyonymousI don't use gpe, yet.
22:57.21polyonymousAnd use browser on my desktop, anyway :)
22:57.44ba1ok
22:58.46polyonymousin fact, I'm going to try to get opera working.
22:59.37galvAtr0ncould u try and get the multimodal.ipk working plz
22:59.45galvAtr0nmultimodal opera
23:00.09polyonymousgalvAtr0n, nor likely, but give me the link?
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23:04.18galvAtr0nhave a look at this it may solve opera on OZ http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?s=5cf671f8262a3d77a7a6ba718ca9ce80&showtopic=11673&st=0&p=76916&#entry76916
23:07.36galvAtr0nhttp://www.handhelds.org/hypermail/opie/96/9660.html
23:08.34galvAtr0nECCERR0R are you here today dude ?
23:11.23polyonymousso to download multimodal I have to register??
23:12.18galvAtr0n2 secs ill send it if u like its free
23:12.22ba1keep getting error on ipkg  mgr....any ideas?
23:13.20polyonymousYeah, I'd rather not bother registering
23:13.34polyonymousbaldurk, what ipkg mgr?
23:13.49polyonymousba1, I mean :)
23:17.20galvAtr0nhow do i mount /root as read/write ?
23:17.28polyonymousmount / -o remount,rw
23:17.37polyonymousyou mean root filesystem or /root/ ?
23:18.53galvAtr0nroot fs
23:19.04polyonymousthen mount / -o remount,rw is correct
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23:19.18galvAtr0ncool
23:19.42galvAtr0ni just nand my Z ;)
23:37.37polyonymousgalvAtr0n, so what's with multimodal.ipk?
23:39.53galvAtr0nthat is opera+voice combined
23:40.07polyonymousgalvAtr0n 2 secs ill send it if u like its free
23:40.43galvAtr0noh ok 2 secs i need to open ports so i can DCC
23:40.59polyonymousah, paranoid :)
23:41.16galvAtr0njust trying to install it to home again
23:41.44galvAtr0nDCC doesnt work with my router on default settings
23:42.04polyonymousI just made another opera package work :)
23:44.51galvAtr0nlooks like multimodal will work too (on /home) but you have to run the ipkg install twice with a ipkg-link in between
23:45.30polyonymoushmm... there seems to be voice in this opera.
23:45.48galvAtr0ncool ;) what ver ?
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23:46.16polyonymousopera_7.55.6079_arm.ipk
23:46.44galvAtr0ndoes it start with a pizza demo ?
23:48.07polyonymoushmm...
23:48.39polyonymousit strats with something about java
23:48.57polyonymousoh well..
23:49.15polyonymousI think I should go to bed.
23:49.45polyonymousand what is your opera version?
23:49.56galvAtr0nsame
23:50.07galvAtr0nhow com i cant cd /.opera ?
23:50.41galvAtr0nsorry nevermind
23:50.53polyonymousit's pointing nowhere, likely.
23:51.00polyonymousWell, sleep well, I'm outta here.
23:56.52galvAtr0nhow do i make /home my default location for ipkg ?
23:58.52polyonymousno idea, I have microdrive :)
23:59.00polyonymousAnyway, I'm gone.

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