00:26.39 | polyonymous | is unicode stuff for console provided anywhere? |
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06:33.29 | webmind | morning |
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07:59.50 | hrw|work | morning |
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08:06.27 | webmind | can anyone help me out with tosa and usbnetwerworking ? |
08:07.00 | webmind | I've plugged my tosa in the whatyacallit |
08:07.03 | webmind | the black thing |
08:07.16 | webmind | and connected that to my workstation |
08:07.30 | webmind | but it doesn't seem to notica any usb devices |
08:08.40 | jayja1 | webmind: workstation linux ? |
08:08.56 | webmind | yes |
08:08.58 | jayja1 | webmind: if yes which distri ? |
08:09.02 | webmind | ubuntu |
08:09.15 | jayja1 | webmind: try a modprobe usbnet. |
08:09.24 | jayja1 | on commandline. |
08:09.30 | jayja1 | sudo modprobe usbnet |
08:09.54 | jayja1 | webmind: kernel module for usbnet working might not be loaded. |
08:10.59 | webmind | no report of any new devices |
08:11.33 | jayja1 | webmind: after modprobe ? |
08:11.48 | jayja1 | webmind: check with /sbin/ifconfig in konsole |
08:11.58 | webmind | yes |
08:12.00 | webmind | uhm |
08:12.29 | jayja1 | webmind: a usb0 or something should be there. |
08:12.30 | webmind | I can't seem to be able to connect over ssh to my Z anymore |
08:12.50 | webmind | (don't have it at hand, looking remotely) |
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08:13.46 | jayja1 | webmind: what ifconfig. is device there ? |
08:13.54 | jayja1 | webmind: what about.... |
08:14.13 | webmind | can't check |
08:14.31 | webmind | it's not on the workstation |
08:15.35 | webmind | ssh to my Zaurus (over ethernet, seems to hang) |
08:16.21 | hrw|work | webmind: lsmod on desktop should show tosa |
08:16.36 | webmind | lsmod ? |
08:16.46 | hrw|work | lsusb |
08:16.48 | webmind | ah |
08:17.02 | webmind | it does not |
08:17.15 | webmind | lots of other stuff.. but no tosa |
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08:48.14 | hrw|work | CoreDump|home: authors list partially fixed |
08:48.21 | CoreDump|home | morning |
08:52.28 | CoreDump|home | hrw|work: i wasn complaining just wondering =) |
08:53.00 | hrw|work | I know |
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10:49.11 | prh_ | anyone here had ruby gems running on oz? |
10:50.59 | johnX | link? |
10:52.28 | XorA | prh_: no, as ruby for Z doesnt have zlib module |
10:52.37 | XorA | prh_: it needs some fixes in the build system |
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11:19.56 | Shirk | Hi |
11:22.00 | johnX | hi |
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11:25.16 | prh_ | XorA: ahh |
11:25.44 | prh_ | XorA: reckon it's much work? (I'd love to run rails / webrick on my Z - such a neat little mobile dev platform for long journeys :O) |
11:28.36 | prh_ | hmm I guess a debian chroot is the way to go. |
11:28.38 | prh_ | or just debian |
11:29.05 | Shirk | Do I need to download the oz cross development toolkit too or is oe enough to do cross development?? |
11:31.09 | hrw|work | Shirk: you want to build whole OZ or just some own apps? |
11:32.02 | Shirk | booth |
11:32.10 | hrw|work | then oe |
11:32.16 | Shirk | (bad keyboard..) |
11:32.21 | hrw|work | if only second then oz 3.5.4 provide cross-sdk |
11:32.59 | NA|Gone | Hm, received my USB Host cable for the Z today.. what's the steps to getting an external kbd working? |
11:33.03 | Shirk | No I like to build OZ from source _and_ develop own apps |
11:33.45 | johnX | NA|Gone, What version of OZ are you using? |
11:34.06 | NA|Gone | johnX: kernel 2.6 on borzoi, a .dev build from mid- last month |
11:35.00 | NA|Gone | johnX: There's no special steps to get it going.. just plug it in? |
11:35.33 | johnX | I'm checking what steps I need to do |
11:35.41 | NA|Gone | ah, okies |
11:35.44 | johnX | I think there's just a kernel module that needs to get loaded |
11:36.10 | johnX | modprobe usbkbd |
11:36.13 | johnX | that's it |
11:36.18 | NA|Gone | Ah, cool |
11:36.41 | Shirk | Does bitbake keep fetchted files after building a task or do i need to download the sources each time? |
11:36.53 | CoreDump|home | it keeps it |
11:37.16 | Shirk | Nice - then it's allmost like portage on my gentoo system |
11:37.26 | polyonymous | it indeed is |
11:37.36 | hrw|work | johnX: in 3.5.4.1-alpha2 and newer it will load usb module automatically |
11:37.46 | johnX | ah |
11:37.57 | prh_ | hrw|work: will it have tun modules compiled... :O) |
11:38.17 | johnX | it didn't on my .dev image ... and Shirk is using a .dev image as well |
11:38.24 | hrw|work | prh_: ask RP does he added it |
11:38.30 | hrw|work | johnX: it was fixed today |
11:38.34 | prh_ | hrw|work: rp? |
11:38.46 | Shirk | at least i think i do ;) |
11:38.53 | hrw|work | prh_: RP is our 2.6 kernel mastahacker |
11:38.58 | prh_ | Ahh |
11:39.02 | prh_ | mr purdie? |
11:39.08 | prh_ | or Purdue? hmm |
11:39.10 | johnX | my brain is gone, I mean NA|Gone instead of Shirk |
11:39.29 | CoreDump|home | that's him, yeah |
11:39.39 | Shirk | ^^ |
11:39.45 | hrw|work | prh_: Richard Purdie |
11:40.22 | prh_ | cool - does he irc much? |
11:40.44 | prh_ | hrw|work: do you have a plan for building .2 ? |
11:41.06 | hrw|work | alpha2? during week |
11:41.26 | NA|Gone | Damn.. this is seriously good.. although I'll be getting weird looks on the train from now on :) |
11:41.27 | prh_ | cool |
11:42.00 | prh_ | NA|Gone: whats good? |
11:42.07 | NA|Gone | prh_: keyboard on the Z |
11:42.13 | NA|Gone | external USB keyboard |
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11:42.59 | prh_ | ah right |
11:45.47 | Shirk | Any chance of getting a 2.6 kernel for sl5500 in the future? |
11:45.58 | hrw|work | Shirk: in the future yes |
11:46.03 | hrw|work | in a short future no |
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11:46.30 | alan|laptop | hi all |
11:46.43 | hrw|work | hi alan |
11:47.31 | XorA | prh_: shouldnt be too much work, its just I dont really use ruby |
11:52.29 | alan|laptop | is there a way to watch DVB-T on a zaurus ? there will soon be ways to watch digital tv on a phone. Is anyone aware of such a possibility on a zaurus ? |
11:53.28 | NA|Gone | alan|laptop: Only way I can think of is via a USB DVB-T receiver; but, you'd be limited by both the Z's CPU and USB bandwidth.. not likely unless the DVB-T receiver transcodes it to a less processor/bandwidth-intensive codec |
11:56.41 | alan|laptop | then i guess phones will use a specific codec, and a specific hardware... to watch tv on zaurus, we'll have to wait untill someone sell a CF dvb-t reciever... with linux divers... |
11:57.17 | NA|Gone | alan|laptop: Yep, IIRC, the phones receive a lesser broadcast than the MPEG2 stream; it's a specific profile of MPEG4 as far as I can remember |
11:57.28 | alan|laptop | h263 |
11:57.34 | alan|laptop | iirc |
11:57.39 | NA|Gone | Yeah, sounds about right |
11:58.19 | alan|laptop | a friend of mine works for alcatel... i should mail him about this idea... |
12:00.27 | Shirk | Will the oe cross toolchain compile with gcc 4.1 or do i have to use 3.3? |
12:01.52 | hrw|work | I use gcc 4.0.3 on host |
12:01.59 | Shirk | OK |
12:10.01 | alan|laptop | found some infos : the technology used in phones is DVB-H. It uses either MPEG2, MPEG4 or VC-1 (never heard about this one...) at 11mb/s |
12:12.23 | Shirk | What is up with www.openzauruslorg/mirror/?? I get a download speed of 800b/s! |
12:12.46 | hrw|work | its sf.net ;( |
12:12.46 | Shirk | -l |
12:12.51 | NA|Gone | alan|laptop: VC-1 == MS's WMV 9 |
12:13.14 | Shirk | OK then O |
12:13.29 | Shirk | OK then I'll have to wait another four hours.. |
12:13.41 | alan|laptop | NA|Gone, i.e. = bad ;) |
12:13.48 | NA|Gone | alan|laptop: Well, yeah, that goes unsaid ;) |
12:23.20 | Shirk | This is %ua pain%u |
12:23.49 | NA|Gone | Shirk: That's not pain.. I'm doing a mt pull with 400+ patches :) |
12:24.15 | Shirk | GRR |
12:26.43 | johnX | Shirk: What are you trying to get that's not mirrored somewhere else? |
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12:36.24 | Shirk | johnX: linux-sl5500-20030509-rom3_10 |
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12:41.35 | johnX | If you have some way to verify it, you might try looking here: http://ictlab.tyict.vtc.edu.hk/~tsangkt/FYP/zaurus%20tools/ield_software/ch5/ROM3.10_stuff/ |
12:42.49 | johnX | or here: http://zaurus.spy.org/feeds/cacko/pdaXrom/1.1.0/rc10/builder/mirror1.pdaxrom.org/source/src/ |
12:43.44 | hrw|work | I plan to move stuff from oz.org/mirror/ to sf.net mirrors |
12:44.51 | Shirk | sf mirrors are slow regardless of what you're downloading... |
12:46.57 | Shirk | These mirrors worked, but why does bitbake not take use of them?? |
12:47.41 | johnX | you mean the links I posted? Those are just the result of searching for the file on google |
12:47.53 | Shirk | ok |
12:53.28 | Shirk | bitbake complains about being not able to read 'tmp/staging/collie-linux/kernel/kernel-abiversion' (which does in fact not exist) |
12:56.27 | Shirk | python IOException.. |
12:56.32 | Shirk | huge backtrace.. |
12:57.22 | Shirk | *help* |
13:04.58 | Shirk | fixed: just did a mkdir -p and then a ' echo "2.4" >> tmp/staging/collie-linux/kernel/kernel-abiversion' - works atm.. |
13:34.58 | hrw|work | Shirk: mt pull |
13:36.09 | RP | prh_: I do lurk here ;-) |
13:45.21 | polyonymous | rtc on Z doesn't survive reboot? |
13:50.42 | polyonymous | it doesn't... |
13:52.41 | bronson | hrw|work, I was reading the docs thread on the forums... A wiki would be really, really useful. |
13:52.58 | bronson | I've maintained some mediawikis so far... Some get found by spammers, some don't. |
13:53.23 | bronson | If you require logins on the spammed ones, spam volume remains real low. |
13:53.54 | bronson | Since MediaWiki serves diffs by RSS it's real easy to keep up with each change made. |
13:54.07 | hrw|work | bronson: the problem is that on sf.net you dont have working mail() so no mails with password so someone has to generate passwords for each contributor |
13:54.19 | bronson | So... I'd be happy to set up a mediawiki for OZ. |
13:54.24 | bronson | Hm... |
13:55.20 | hrw|work | bronson: thats why Idisabled registrering on oz.org wordpress |
13:55.47 | polyonymous | openid auth would be great if it was widely used. |
13:55.47 | bronson | Usually spammers don't find a wiki for a few months anyway. |
13:56.07 | bronson | Could leave it open for a long while probably. |
13:56.17 | hrw|work | bronson: they found oz website. we will add wiki link on site so they will come soon |
13:56.18 | bronson | I'm looking into the mail issue right now... |
13:57.25 | polyonymous | Don't these antispam features like 'enter the solution to the equation pictured in graphics' work? |
13:57.57 | bronson | polyonymous, yep, but they're hard for sight-impared people to navigate. |
13:58.13 | bronson | Of course, Zaurii are definitely not for the sight-impaired. :) |
13:58.13 | obergix[work] | wouldn't it be possible to arrange hosting somewhere else than SF ? |
13:58.16 | polyonymous | bronson, Z is also hard for sight-impared people :) |
13:58.19 | polyonymous | Yes :) |
13:58.41 | obergix[work] | there are ton's of people willing to sponsor some Z buying... so maybe a bit more for hosting costs ? |
13:59.02 | bronson | A box asking "are you a low life spammer: Yes" gets rid of most spam. |
13:59.16 | bronson | I can host it on my dreamhost site. |
13:59.43 | bronson | If it goes beyond 1 TB/month I'll have to move it. |
13:59.50 | polyonymous | btw, before sharp zaurus I thought that plural for dinosaurus is dianosauria. Why zaurii? |
14:00.05 | obergix[work] | bronson: I would be thinking about some hosting provider instead of relying on someone in particular... but I don't have a word in decisions for OZ ;) |
14:00.37 | bronson | obergix[work], you mean getting a provider to donate hosting? |
14:00.53 | bronson | That would be ideal. |
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14:01.24 | obergix[work] | bronson: not necessarily... just buying dedicated hosting... |
14:01.31 | bronson | Oh sure. |
14:01.53 | bronson | Since I've already bought mine and I'm not using the bw, I don't mind donating for now. |
14:02.09 | obergix[work] | I prefer the idea to pay at a low cost service than relying on friends of friends arrangement, which may not be that long lasting ;) |
14:02.22 | bronson | Could move to OZ funded when convenient ... or when I disappear. :) |
14:02.25 | obergix[work] | until you disappear from the net and we're stuck ;) |
14:02.34 | obergix[work] | hehe |
14:02.35 | hrw|work | yep |
14:02.45 | hrw|work | we had many developers during OZ life |
14:04.12 | bronson | True. Heck, I've come and gone in the past. |
14:04.12 | hrw|work | some of them are not recognized by normal users even |
14:04.12 | polyonymous | that's the problem. I have some bandwidth to spare, but I don't know how long will it last so I don't even propose to use it. |
14:04.12 | bronson | My Z has been in the closet for a year. |
14:04.12 | obergix[work] | bronson: sell it and donate money for buying hosting ;) |
14:04.12 | polyonymous | obergix[work], in fact he should've rented it for that year :) |
14:04.19 | obergix[work] | ok, enough chatting... I probably have more interesting things to do ;) |
14:04.27 | bronson | OK, well... Best hosting deal that I know of is DreamHost at $97/year. 20GB,2TB/mo. |
14:04.42 | obergix[work] | have any others tested the udev fixes for modprobing and device creation, btw ? |
14:05.08 | polyonymous | obergix[work], never had problems with udev (besides rtc) what is there to test? |
14:05.11 | bronson | So where does the $97 come from? I'm happy to donate the time to set it up. |
14:05.45 | obergix[work] | polyonymous: you using USB host and plugging devices ? |
14:05.57 | polyonymous | bronson, it is indeed interesting to trace back those $97 and see where it comes from :) |
14:06.02 | polyonymous | obergix[work], will do now :)) |
14:06.20 | obergix[work] | bronson: maybe 97$ from sellin your Z ? |
14:06.25 | bronson | I know. I got screwed by it when I signed up. Gave $47 to a total stranger. That shady deal is the worst part of DH. |
14:06.26 | obergix[work] | dunno prices on ebay ;) |
14:06.50 | bronson | Well, if I sold my Z then I'd have no more interest in setting up a wiki... |
14:06.55 | bronson | Sort of a catch-22. |
14:06.58 | obergix[work] | ha ha |
14:07.29 | polyonymous | Hm. just plugged in my card reader and no module is loaded :) |
14:07.39 | bronson | OK, I'm going to try to figure out how to wedge MW onto SF. |
14:07.49 | bronson | If I can't, then I propose that one of us hosts a wiki for a while. |
14:07.50 | obergix[work] | polyonymous: http://bugs.treke.net/show_bug.cgi?id=792 and http://bugs.treke.net/show_bug.cgi?id=793 |
14:08.07 | polyonymous | obergix[work], I'll look now. I modprobed usb-storage and no devices shown up |
14:08.26 | bronson | And, of course, all content is mirrored onto backup sites in case the benevolent bandwidth donator disappears. |
14:08.53 | polyonymous | obergix[work], when did it go into mt? |
14:09.06 | obergix[work] | polyonymous: went into .dev this morning |
14:09.16 | polyonymous | Ah. I have .oz branch pulled today. |
14:09.25 | polyonymous | oz354x to be precise. |
14:09.58 | polyonymous | But loading module isn't udev's task, anyway, is it? |
14:10.18 | obergix[work] | polyonymous: the idea is I'd like to have others test the patches to know if it's valid for .dev -> .oz354x in any case... but RP is taking care of that, maybe I'm minding his business ;) |
14:10.52 | obergix[work] | polyonymous: well ... it's what it's supposed to be used for AFAIK on recent Linux 2.6 systems... |
14:10.52 | polyonymous | obergix[work], Well, I don't mind applying the patch, but should we really do it twice if RP works on it? |
14:11.05 | polyonymous | obergix[work], for creating /dev/ nodes, not loading modules. |
14:11.10 | obergix[work] | polyonymous: what do you expect to be loading modules ? |
14:11.24 | polyonymous | hotplug, probably? |
14:11.38 | obergix[work] | polyonymous: that's what udev is meant to be replacing, no ? |
14:12.04 | obergix[work] | hotplug is dead in 2.6, I think... not a kernel specialist, but heard it through the grapewine |
14:12.09 | polyonymous | obergix[work], well, not sure about embedded stuff, but normally udev _uses_ hotplug to populate dev nodes, not replaces it. |
14:12.29 | polyonymous | obergix[work], it's devfs who's dead in 2.6, I think |
14:12.34 | hrw|work | udev replaced hotplug months ago |
14:13.00 | polyonymous | hrw|work, on embedded stuff, right? |
14:13.24 | hrw|work | polyonymous: everywhere |
14:13.30 | polyonymous | for what I can tell by the linux-hotplug package presense, it hasn't. |
14:13.48 | obergix[work] | http://vrfy.org/log/recent-state-of-udev.html |
14:14.16 | polyonymous | thanks for the link |
14:14.18 | obergix[work] | polyonymous: not sure why embedded stuff would be any different ? |
14:14.46 | polyonymous | obergix[work], I take my words back. until I read the page at least :) |
14:16.17 | polyonymous | well, I see now. In fact, I was referring to hotplug as a kernel's subsystem, not stock implementation, so udev haven't replaced hotplug I was talking about, but rather all implementations. |
14:16.24 | obergix[work] | polyonymous: you may need double checking with other references... I'm not sure that what he says is definite truth, nor that there are no specifics for Z ;) |
14:16.27 | polyonymous | But, anyway, what is linux-hotplug package then? |
14:16.41 | polyonymous | obergix[work], it doesn't matter, I got the point. |
14:17.59 | polyonymous | but still... we do have linux-hotplug package, don't we? Which seems to be more or less traditional implementation |
14:18.14 | polyonymous | well, nevermind. |
14:18.52 | obergix[work] | polyonymous: for 2.4 ? |
14:19.14 | polyonymous | not sure... |
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14:20.54 | RP | obergix[work]: I've tested your udev fixes and am happy they're right. I'll apply the changes to the branch when I get spare few minutes :) |
14:21.11 | RP | hotplug is totally dead on the Zaurii as udev disables it |
14:21.20 | RP | udev totally replaces it |
14:22.21 | polyonymous | RP, wouldn't it make sense not to install misleading package? |
14:22.24 | bronson | RP, that's great news. There was a bit of pain when Ubuntu made the hotplug->udev transition but it's soooo worth it. |
14:22.31 | obergix[work] | RP: thx... just thought other's tests may help ;) |
14:22.34 | polyonymous | I haven't been following kernel for quite a while... |
14:23.15 | polyonymous | Well, I'd prefer test it by pulling it from monotone, to be true :) |
14:23.21 | bronson | What's the deal with 2.6 on Collie? Still never thanks to the proprietary SD reader? |
14:23.29 | RP | polyonymous: Removing the hotplug is a low priority but I agree we need to see if we can remove it entirely at some point |
14:23.44 | RP | bronson: SD is the big problem |
14:23.46 | polyonymous | RP, I didn't mean to hurry you with that :) |
14:31.19 | Shirk | mt pull? |
14:39.17 | obergix[work] | Anybody with a clear idea of Sharp's position with projects like OZ these days... seing for instance how Nokia opened-up the process for maemo/n770 ? |
14:39.49 | obergix[work] | Any hope that user/community pressure could help make things move ? ... or are we gald they can't mess finally ? ;) |
14:40.33 | obergix[work] | I mean better living without help from them, but as we want, than having to discuss for years with search for consensus... |
14:41.39 | obergix[work] | I think more and more companies are opening to OpenSource strategies, and I wonder if they wouldn't change a bit (if they ever were asked formally, and answered no, even, in the past, for which I don't know) |
14:49.29 | Shirk | mt pull?? |
14:49.44 | polyonymous | mt pull!! :) |
14:51.35 | Shirk | ...grummel... |
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14:59.02 | darmou | hi all, does anyone know of the state of sd support for the 2.6 kernels for splitz? |
14:59.32 | darmou | I have a 1 gig sd card, and would not like to lose access to it if possible. |
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15:10.03 | polyonymous | spitz? |
15:10.24 | polyonymous | Just put in an sd card into borzoi and it worked fine. |
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15:23.02 | darmou | cool thanks |
15:23.28 | darmou | I just bougt a borzoi, splitz is for both the 3100 and 3000 images |
15:24.11 | hrw|work | spitz for c3000/c3100/c3200 |
15:24.34 | darmou | "Spitz (sl-c3000) and Borzoi (sl-c3100) images are the same so we united them." from the alpha release read me |
15:25.07 | hrw|work | alpha1 was BEFORE c3200 |
15:25.25 | darmou | yep but 3200 is escentually the same except for bigger hard disk I think |
15:26.05 | darmou | I'm glad sd cards work:) I had heard there were some problems |
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15:31.32 | prh_ | RP: any chance you can enable the tun module for 2.6 kernels (7xx and cxx00) please :O) |
15:31.56 | prh_ | RP: I think hrw is going to build .2 soon and it would be _really_ handy to have tun modules in that |
15:32.13 | obergix[work] | darmou: only certain cards work... others not... |
15:32.45 | hrw|work | prh_: tun is in |
15:33.01 | prh_ | oh goody |
15:33.26 | prh_ | vtun/openvpn should work again then... |
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15:36.43 | RP | prh_: Yes, its already done :) |
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15:37.50 | prh_ | yey |
15:47.39 | webmind | en usb network works :) |
15:49.50 | obergix[work] | webmind: en ? |
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15:56.29 | polyonymous | en or not, but it does :) |
15:57.02 | obergix[work] | polyonymous: sure, with a DUB-E100 here |
15:57.26 | polyonymous | with what? I just used usb cable |
15:58.12 | hrw|work | dub-e100 is fastethernet usb dongle? |
15:58.22 | obergix[work] | ok, thought I had read usb ethernet network ;) |
15:58.29 | obergix[work] | hrw|work: yep |
15:58.32 | polyonymous | I'd guess yes |
15:58.38 | polyonymous | Ah. |
15:58.50 | obergix[work] | works plugged on a hub which is connected to my akita |
15:58.58 | polyonymous | I was glad to be able to use it while trying to make my bluetooth card work... |
15:59.04 | hrw|work | heh.. usbhost in Z... |
15:59.05 | polyonymous | Not that I completely succeeded... |
15:59.45 | polyonymous | kernel oopses when I try to stop using BT card :( |
15:59.47 | obergix[work] | sure, remote login through ssh helps debuging |
16:00.02 | polyonymous | obergix[work], yes, and I couldn't do it over wlan, since I needed cf slot :) |
16:00.27 | obergix[work] | I'm gonna try a USB IDE adapter with a harddrive, to see what's happening, maybe |
16:00.41 | hrw|work | with powered hub it should work |
16:00.47 | obergix[work] | polyonymous: I clearly copy you ;) |
16:00.59 | obergix[work] | hrw|work: that's what I think... but would like to test for sure |
16:01.36 | polyonymous | I think it should work with separate power supply for hdd. |
16:01.42 | webmind | obergix[work], cause of it not working was a crashed Z |
16:02.17 | obergix[work] | polyonymous: sure... I don't expect the USB power to provide enough for it ;) |
16:03.03 | polyonymous | but I have this usb-ide adapter for 2.5 inch drive which provides all power from usb... |
16:04.08 | polyonymous | And it doesn't work for some hdds |
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16:18.01 | hrw|work | cu |
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16:55.02 | bronson | I've got mediawiki working great on SF, just without the password emails. |
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17:43.14 | Shirk | I just updated oe via monotone and now my 'bitbake bootstrap-image' has crashed on building the kernel with the message: please upgrade your binutils to version 2.9.5 .. what can i do?? |
17:43.44 | JustinP | what kernel? |
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17:45.01 | Shirk | 2.4.18-rmk7-pxa3-embeddix (for sl5500) |
17:48.36 | JustinP | did you install the zaurus kernel toolchain? |
17:48.49 | JustinP | http://oe.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/ZaurusKernels |
17:49.23 | Shirk | the one mentioned in OE's getting started? (this cross-gcc-2.95??) |
17:49.39 | JustinP | yeah |
17:49.46 | Shirk | Yes |
17:49.46 | JustinP | you need that for the 2.4 zaurus kernels |
17:49.58 | JustinP | did you set up your path and rename the files correctly? |
17:50.05 | Shirk | I thought this is it? |
17:50.51 | JustinP | follow the instructions on that link I posted |
17:51.38 | Shirk | I'll try.. |
17:57.00 | Shirk | OK i think it works now - at least i got no errors in the last few minutes :) |
17:57.34 | Shirk | Forgot to cp gcc and ld to the versionen ones.. |
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17:59.18 | Shirk | Yep.. it worked :)) |
18:00.34 | Shirk | Another question: bitbake creates the cross tools as needed - does it keep them after my image build is done or do i have to recreate the toolchain along with each image build? |
18:01.40 | JustinP | as long as you don't delete your tmp dir it won't re-build anything unless it's been updated |
18:03.12 | Shirk | Nice, im going to build some sort of gpe with matchbox replaced by e17 in the next days - this will shurely take more than one build cycle.. |
18:04.49 | JustinP | Shirk: I'm the e17 maintainer ;-) |
18:04.53 | JustinP | Shirk: build e-image |
18:05.18 | JustinP | I'm having problems right now with edje-native, though....it's complaining about buffers.... |
18:06.36 | Shirk | ^^ noone told me about - this will save me much work |
18:07.01 | Shirk | I'll try it right after my bootstrap image is done |
18:07.35 | JustinP | it *should* work just fine |
18:07.45 | JustinP | but, as I said, I've been having edje issues... |
18:08.09 | JustinP | Shirk: there are already e images for the various devices |
18:08.34 | Shirk | where? |
18:09.01 | JustinP | released with 3.5.4...or at least I thought hrw said he put them up... |
18:09.30 | Shirk | e17 is mentioned in the release post but i was not able to find any images.. |
18:10.17 | JustinP | hmmm...I guess he only released them for the c7x |
18:10.31 | JustinP | be warned, though, that it's not going to be nearly as usable on a collie.... |
18:10.40 | JustinP | the screen is only 320x200 |
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18:10.50 | JustinP | I don't know if you can even use entrance on there |
18:11.06 | JustinP | I'd appreciate a test, though |
18:11.55 | Shirk | That's why I want to test it - just to see how e17 looks and works on a collie ^^ |
18:14.29 | Shirk | Just took a look into the packages/meta/ directory - there are some other interesting sounding images |
18:15.46 | bronson | polyonymous, do you hrw or lardman's email addresses? |
18:15.58 | polyonymous | bronson, nope |
18:16.00 | bronson | I've found a solution to running MediaWiki. |
18:16.13 | bronson | Hm, I was hoping we could talk but they appear gone... |
18:16.21 | bronson | Owell, I guess I'll email the OZ list. |
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18:22.36 | polyonymous | Hmm... thought I'd compile helloworld on Z... Installed what I thought is necessary and now it tells me: /usr/lib/gcc/arm-linux/3.4.4/../../../../arm-linux/bin/ld: cannot find /lib/libc.so.6 inside /usr/bin/../../usr |
18:29.12 | bronson | Hm, actaully I don't think that I'm going to discuss the wiki over email... |
18:29.16 | bronson | Too many cooks. |
18:33.02 | polyonymous | bronson, wiki is too many cooks :) |
18:33.28 | bronson | polyonymous, tell that to wikipedia! |
18:33.43 | polyonymous | They're busy cooking, won't listen. |
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18:52.35 | hrw|husky | hi |
18:52.49 | hrw|husky | bronson: openembedded@hrw.one.pl |
18:53.16 | polyonymous | bronson, now I can tell you hrw's email address :)) |
18:53.24 | bronson | Ah, good. |
18:53.41 | hrw|husky | bronson: what is a solution? |
18:53.44 | bronson | hrw, I just sent you an email. Tell me what you think. |
18:53.55 | hrw|husky | ok will check it tomorrow |
18:54.07 | bronson | I'll tell you briefly. |
18:54.23 | bronson | I tried setting up MediaWiki on SourceForge... Argh. It truly is painful. |
18:54.32 | bronson | But what about BerliOS? |
18:54.39 | bronson | http://tmtest.berlios.de |
18:55.07 | bronson | Works great. I could register openzaurus.berlios.de and have a wiki up in a short time. |
18:55.47 | bronson | I also wondered if the handhelds.org guys would want to host an OZ wiki. |
18:56.20 | hrw|husky | basically oz is ending |
18:56.29 | hrw|husky | Angstrom is future |
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18:57.16 | hrw|husky | i expect first angstrom release on end of year for all 2.6 powered Zaurii |
18:57.38 | galvAtr0n | whats the best commandline util to audio/video stream on Z |
18:57.43 | bronson | That's long enough that it's probably still worth putting up an OZ wiki. |
18:57.48 | hrw|husky | and ipaqs and other stuff |
18:57.50 | bronson | It wouldn't take too much time. |
18:58.03 | hrw|husky | bronson: sure - just need to find solution |
18:58.24 | bronson | Well, are you OK with using BerliOS? |
18:58.36 | hrw|husky | have to think about it |
18:58.49 | hrw|husky | there are too many websites with infos... |
18:59.35 | bronson | This isn't intended to be a separate site of course. |
18:59.39 | hrw|husky | oz website, oe website, oe wiki, hh.org wiki, opie wiki, gpe wiki, bitbake manual..... |
18:59.58 | bronson | :) |
19:00.42 | hrw|husky | and oesf wiki, oesf forums |
19:00.58 | bronson | I agree. |
19:01.10 | hrw|husky | if we add oz wiki for this... |
19:01.43 | bronson | Wow, I didn't even know OESF had a wiki. |
19:01.48 | bronson | Cool. |
19:01.51 | bronson | Why not just use that? |
19:01.56 | hrw|husky | we could probably use oe wiki or oesf wiki for docs |
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19:02.42 | hrw|husky | oesf one could be nice but users of other Z distros could add infos to our docs if not good managed |
19:03.11 | bronson | Yep. And less control over accounts, spam, etc. |
19:03.30 | hrw|husky | too |
19:04.59 | bronson | So... I guess it's three choices...? use oesf, use oz.berlios.de, or ask hh.org to host. |
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19:05.19 | hrw|husky | or use oe wiki like we do already for some stuff |
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19:06.14 | al_do | hi all |
19:06.25 | hrw|husky | decision i want to leave for lardman as he is docs manager |
19:06.28 | hrw|husky | hi al |
19:06.56 | al_do | I've tryed to install libqte2... it seems not to install on my spitz... |
19:07.08 | hrw|husky | r31 one> |
19:07.11 | hrw|husky | ? |
19:07.13 | al_do | yes |
19:07.20 | hrw|husky | should do |
19:07.29 | bronson | OK. Should I email lardman? |
19:07.32 | hrw|husky | maybe cursors will be rotated.. |
19:07.54 | hrw|husky | al_do: r32 will get cursors fixed on akita/c3x00 |
19:08.33 | al_do | hrw: I'd paste packge manager output if I know how to copy / paste :) |
19:08.54 | hrw|husky | al_do: ok |
19:09.38 | al_do | it says something about "unsatisfied recommendation for kernel-....." |
19:10.07 | hrw|husky | thats not related to it |
19:10.38 | bronson | hrw|husky, is this right? S.G.Pickering@bath.ac.uk |
19:10.51 | hrw|husky | bronson: dont remember |
19:10.58 | al_do | and then "cannot satisfy the following dependencies.... tslib-conf" |
19:10.59 | hrw|husky | bronson: msg lardman|gone |
19:11.08 | al_do | what should I do? |
19:11.09 | bronson | OK. |
19:11.15 | hrw|husky | al_do: hmm.. |
19:11.32 | hrw|husky | al_do: you installed opie-image on Z? |
19:11.39 | al_do | y |
19:12.01 | al_do | 3.5.4.1-a on my spitz |
19:12.01 | hrw|husky | should be installable then |
19:12.15 | hrw|husky | tslib-conf is part of gpe and opie image |
19:13.29 | hrw|husky | I know that users installed it on borzoi which use same images as spitz |
19:13.37 | al_do | another thing... package manager whould not work If I haven't made a "manual" ipkg update from shell after adding the address you posted on www.zaurususergroup.org... |
19:13.53 | hrw|husky | opie-pm suxx |
19:14.05 | hrw|husky | phone... |
19:14.15 | al_do | mm |
19:14.22 | hrw|gone | cu |
19:14.27 | al_do | bye |
19:31.04 | polyonymous | so has anyone tried compiling on Z? |
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19:31.37 | bronson | polyonymous, I've done it in the past. It's slow but works as you'd expect. |
19:31.51 | polyonymous | bronson, for me it doesn't :) |
19:32.08 | bronson | Bogus. I haven't done it in the past year. |
19:32.11 | polyonymous | /usr/lib/gcc/arm-linux/3.4.4/../../../../arm-linux/bin/ld: cannot find /lib/libc.so.6 inside /usr/bin/../../usr |
19:32.28 | polyonymous | I believe it should be /, not /usr.... |
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19:55.45 | Shirk | nothing provides glibc-charmap-utf8.. |
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20:04.59 | prh_ | yey - got rails installed on my z - albeit in a debian chroot |
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21:44.39 | CoreDump|home | hi |
21:44.45 | polyonymous | hi |
21:44.55 | polyonymous | CoreDump|home, do you know if gcc on Z is broken? |
21:45.38 | CoreDump|home | I don't. gcc on Z sounds too painful so I never bothered to try ;) |
21:46.01 | polyonymous | :)) I've tried to gcc helloworld... |
21:46.02 | polyonymous | /usr/lib/gcc/arm-linux/3.4.4/../../../../arm-linux/bin/ld: cannot find /lib/libc.so.6 inside /usr/bin/../../usr |
21:46.28 | polyonymous | Why would it look for /lib/libc in /usr? |
21:46.36 | CoreDump|home | no clue heh |
21:46.52 | polyonymous | I see. I wonder why provide the package then :) |
21:47.07 | CoreDump|home | fair point |
21:47.17 | CoreDump|home | I guess it is "supposed" to work tho |
21:47.29 | polyonymous | Likely :) |
21:48.13 | webmind | uhm.. if I ssh in over usbnet device, and try to edit something with vi.. my sessions hangs |
21:48.33 | polyonymous | webmind, how can it be related to usbnet? |
21:48.40 | webmind | no idea |
21:48.51 | webmind | but I had similar issues with my phone |
21:50.51 | webmind | which was an mtu issue |
21:50.51 | polyonymous | Strange. I have to admin I haven't tried vi, but vim worked fine :) |
21:50.55 | webmind | well I start vim.. but ps calls it vi |
21:50.55 | polyonymous | export EDITOR=vim |
21:50.55 | polyonymous | oopd |
21:50.55 | polyonymous | oops |
21:50.55 | polyonymous | I misread you |
21:50.56 | webmind | hmm |
21:50.56 | polyonymous | weird settings you have there. |
21:50.56 | webmind | odd |
21:50.56 | webmind | ah |
21:50.56 | webmind | wait |
21:50.58 | webmind | it's indeed only with vi |
21:50.58 | webmind | not with vim |
21:50.58 | webmind | vim works |
21:50.58 | polyonymous | hmm... lemme try... |
21:50.58 | webmind | hmm, terminal issue I guess |
21:51.04 | webmind | happens when scrolling to the bottom of the file |
21:51.04 | polyonymous | what is your TERM? |
21:52.25 | polyonymous | by default sshing into Z isn't much fun as /etc/profile sets TERM to vt100 |
21:52.51 | polyonymous | webmind, http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=805 |
21:54.34 | webmind | hmm I'll look in a bit |
21:54.51 | webmind | for some reason usbd0 doesnt want to come up automagicly |
21:55.01 | polyonymous | ifup usb0 ? |
21:56.07 | polyonymous | vi doesn't hang on me either. |
21:56.22 | polyonymous | I'll try to set TERM to vt100, what term do you ssh from? |
21:56.51 | polyonymous | niether it locks up with vt100 setting |
21:57.17 | webmind | term is vt100 |
21:57.19 | webmind | but using eterm |
21:57.27 | webmind | ifup works btw |
21:57.27 | polyonymous | I'm using rxvt |
21:57.31 | polyonymous | may be different |
21:57.35 | webmind | but I want it to auto come up on insert |
21:57.55 | polyonymous | never bothered to figure out how |
21:58.24 | webmind | same problem on rxvt |
21:58.36 | webmind | do you edit /etc/network/interfaces ? |
21:58.56 | polyonymous | tried setting TERM to your term? |
21:59.10 | polyonymous | in fact my term type is screen, not even rxvt :)) |
21:59.34 | polyonymous | well, I was going to edit it right now to see how can one get it up |
22:08.05 | webmind | hmm, it seems to have issues with incorrectly shutting down |
22:08.08 | webmind | awell |
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22:08.49 | webmind | export TERM=eterm;vi # hangs imidiatly |
22:08.54 | webmind | I'm using tosa btw |
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22:09.12 | polyonymous | Doesn't sound like model-related issue... |
22:09.43 | webmind | well I'm not sure where it's related too |
22:12.56 | webmind | btw, do you do any syncing over network? and if yes.. what setup would work best (workstation is linux using kontact) |
22:13.23 | polyonymous | nah, I don't. |
22:13.28 | webmind | k |
22:13.33 | polyonymous | Well, in a sense, I do -- using rsync :) |
22:20.17 | webmind | heh |
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22:43.39 | webmind | gnite, off to bed |
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22:44.12 | jayja1 | how do I keep me in sync with oz - feeds ? |
22:44.17 | jayja1 | ipkg update |
22:44.25 | jayja1 | ipkg upgrade |
22:44.27 | jayja1 | ?? |
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22:46.06 | polyonymous | both |
22:46.30 | CoreDump|home | not on a coolie, no |
22:46.45 | jayja1 | CoreDump :: how then ? |
22:46.59 | CoreDump|home | upgrade is likely to fill your rootf to 100% |
22:47.27 | jayja1 | CoreDump :: well I did it right now. he just updated dropbear and that was it ... |
22:47.32 | polyonymous | CoreDump|home, btw, is there a way to see what upgrade would do? |
22:47.40 | CoreDump|home | jayja1: upgrade selected packages only |
22:47.52 | jayja1 | CoreDump :: by hand ? |
22:47.57 | CoreDump|home | polyonymous: i dunno |
22:48.05 | CoreDump|home | jayja1: well, yes |
22:48.17 | CoreDump|home | or move your rootfs to SD |
22:48.37 | jayja1 | CoreDump :: SD -> well sound good. |
22:48.47 | jayja1 | CoreDump :: I guess altboot will do the trick. |
22:48.52 | CoreDump|home | indeed |
22:49.06 | jayja1 | CoreDump :: same with CF ? |
22:49.20 | Devzie | its altboot part of the 3.5.4 release by default? |
22:49.21 | CoreDump|home | yep |
22:49.32 | CoreDump|home | and yep |
22:49.39 | CoreDump|home | http://openzaurus.org/wordpress/howto/the-altboot-faq/ |
22:49.44 | Devzie | thx CD ;) |
22:49.46 | jayja1 | Devzie:: damn cool stuff. |
22:49.57 | CoreDump|home | boots SD, CF, NFS, USB-Storage |
22:50.04 | CoreDump|home | np |
22:50.14 | Devzie | yea. 3.5.4 is running awesome (and fast) compared to 3.5.3 |
22:51.04 | jayja1 | CoreDump:: how do you know about altboot -> usb .. any devices with usb host around ? |
22:51.28 | CoreDump|home | jayja1: SL-Cxxxx work, tosa is untested |
22:51.48 | CoreDump|home | other zaurii do not offer USB-Host AFAIK |
22:52.56 | jayja1 | CoreDump :: ok. |
22:52.59 | *** join/#openzaurus subdue1 (n=chopstix@cpe-66-8-255-241.hawaii.res.rr.com) |
22:53.11 | CoreDump|home | however, it is rather unpractical to boot off an usb stick dangling off the back of your z heh |
22:56.29 | polyonymous | to _alt_boot. it's okay :) |
22:58.28 | jayja1 | CoreDump :: HEHE |
22:58.36 | jayja1 | CoreDump :: *lol* |
22:59.00 | jayja1 | CoreDump :: btw. really could FAQ to altboot on openzaurus. |
22:59.51 | CoreDump|home | thanks |
23:00.58 | CoreDump|home | jayja1: in case you didn't notice, your patch is in |
23:06.27 | jayja1 | *kewl* |
23:07.47 | jayja1 | well I am quite new to oe. Just peeked and poked around a bit. |
23:08.19 | jayja1 | it will take a while till it is in feed I guess. |
23:08.19 | CoreDump|home | it's fun once you get used to it |
23:08.42 | CoreDump|home | yeah |
23:09.18 | CoreDump|home | however, it'll be in the 3.5.4.1 release ;) |
23:10.21 | jayja1 | CoreDump :: my plan is to get "jed" with gpg support running. |
23:10.43 | jayja1 | CoreDump :: works in real world but is not in oe yet. |
23:10.51 | CoreDump|home | i c |
23:11.01 | jayja1 | CoreDump :: do you know jed. |
23:11.08 | CoreDump|home | not really |
23:12.02 | jayja1 | CoreDump :: it is a small clone of "emacs" using an own C-like syntax for adjustements. |
23:12.09 | jayja1 | CoreDump :: called slang. |
23:13.48 | jayja1 | N8. cu guys. |
23:14.30 | CoreDump|home | n8 jayja1 |
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23:15.52 | polyonymous | just noticed that sound stopped working on my Z... |
23:17.25 | CoreDump|home | heh |
23:17.38 | polyonymous | no idea what could the problem be... |
23:18.00 | eccerr0r | I had my sound stop working when I had mpg321 running and suspended my palmtop. |
23:18.02 | polyonymous | volume is okay, but it makes no sound... |
23:18.07 | CoreDump|home | rm /etc/asound.state and reboot |
23:18.10 | eccerr0r | had to reboot to fix it up. |
23:18.13 | polyonymous | I've just rebooted. |
23:18.22 | polyonymous | Well, I think I'll proceed with that, CoreDump|home |
23:22.27 | polyonymous | Yes, works now |
23:22.48 | polyonymous | gotta alsactl store working state to avoid reboots in the future:) |
23:23.52 | CoreDump|home | there is a working state copied to /etc on reboot if the file was "lost" |
23:26.32 | polyonymous | .bak? I'm afraid it may be way too old :) |
23:27.15 | polyonymous | (i.e. silent) |
23:27.28 | polyonymous | So, I meant too recent :)) |
23:28.28 | CoreDump|home | nahh not from back |
23:28.56 | CoreDump|home | it's function normally only triggered on first-boot to get a working .state into /etc |
23:29.06 | polyonymous | Ah, I see. |
23:29.07 | CoreDump|home | dunno where the original is tho =) |
23:29.20 | polyonymous | Shouldn't be hard to find :) |
23:29.26 | CoreDump|home | indeed ;) |
23:29.36 | polyonymous | if you told me before I could spare reboot :))) |
23:29.41 | CoreDump|home | hehe |
23:40.20 | polyonymous | heh gcc -Wl,--sysroot=/ helloworld.c works :)) |
23:40.31 | CoreDump|home | yay |
23:40.50 | polyonymous | I wonder what is the purpose of --with-sysroot=${prefix} in .bb.... |
23:40.56 | polyonymous | binutils bb that is |
23:41.20 | polyonymous | trying to build without now... |
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23:50.49 | polyonymous | Hmm... worked fine without... not sure about possible side effects... Well, I think I will file the bug with patch and let you guys sort it out. |