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00:26.39polyonymousis unicode stuff for console provided anywhere?
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03:45.50eccerr0rsigh.... what to do when being DoS'ed...
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06:33.29webmindmorning
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07:59.50hrw|workmorning
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08:06.27webmindcan anyone help me out with tosa and usbnetwerworking ?
08:07.00webmindI've plugged my tosa in the whatyacallit
08:07.03webmindthe black thing
08:07.16webmindand connected that to my workstation
08:07.30webmindbut it doesn't seem to notica any usb devices
08:08.40jayja1webmind: workstation linux ?
08:08.56webmindyes
08:08.58jayja1webmind: if yes which distri ?
08:09.02webmindubuntu
08:09.15jayja1webmind: try a modprobe usbnet.
08:09.24jayja1on commandline.
08:09.30jayja1sudo modprobe usbnet
08:09.54jayja1webmind: kernel module for usbnet working might not be loaded.
08:10.59webmindno report of any new devices
08:11.33jayja1webmind: after modprobe ?
08:11.48jayja1webmind: check with /sbin/ifconfig in konsole
08:11.58webmindyes
08:12.00webminduhm
08:12.29jayja1webmind: a usb0 or something should be there.
08:12.30webmindI can't seem to be able to connect over ssh to my Z anymore
08:12.50webmind(don't have it at hand, looking remotely)
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08:13.46jayja1webmind: what ifconfig. is device there ?
08:13.54jayja1webmind: what about....
08:14.13webmindcan't check
08:14.31webmindit's not on the workstation
08:15.35webmindssh to my Zaurus (over ethernet, seems to hang)
08:16.21hrw|workwebmind: lsmod on desktop should show tosa
08:16.36webmindlsmod ?
08:16.46hrw|worklsusb
08:16.48webmindah
08:17.02webmindit does not
08:17.15webmindlots of other stuff.. but no tosa
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08:48.14hrw|workCoreDump|home: authors list partially fixed
08:48.21CoreDump|homemorning
08:52.28CoreDump|homehrw|work: i wasn complaining just wondering =)
08:53.00hrw|workI know
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10:49.11prh_anyone here had ruby gems running on oz?
10:50.59johnXlink?
10:52.28XorAprh_: no, as ruby for Z doesnt have zlib module
10:52.37XorAprh_: it needs some fixes in the build system
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11:19.56ShirkHi
11:22.00johnXhi
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11:25.16prh_XorA: ahh
11:25.44prh_XorA: reckon it's much work? (I'd love to run rails / webrick on my Z - such a neat little mobile dev platform for long journeys :O)
11:28.36prh_hmm I guess a debian chroot is the way to go.
11:28.38prh_or just debian
11:29.05ShirkDo I need to download the oz cross development toolkit too or is oe enough to do cross development??
11:31.09hrw|workShirk: you want to build whole OZ or just some own apps?
11:32.02Shirkbooth
11:32.10hrw|workthen oe
11:32.16Shirk(bad keyboard..)
11:32.21hrw|workif only second then oz 3.5.4 provide cross-sdk
11:32.59NA|GoneHm, received my USB Host cable for the Z today.. what's the steps to getting an external kbd working?
11:33.03ShirkNo I like to build OZ from source _and_ develop own apps
11:33.45johnXNA|Gone, What version of OZ are you using?
11:34.06NA|GonejohnX: kernel 2.6 on borzoi, a .dev build from mid- last month
11:35.00NA|GonejohnX: There's no special steps to get it going.. just plug it in?
11:35.33johnXI'm checking what steps I need to do
11:35.41NA|Goneah, okies
11:35.44johnXI think there's just a kernel module that needs to get loaded
11:36.10johnXmodprobe usbkbd
11:36.13johnXthat's it
11:36.18NA|GoneAh, cool
11:36.41ShirkDoes bitbake keep fetchted files after building a task or do i need to download the sources each time?
11:36.53CoreDump|homeit keeps it
11:37.16ShirkNice - then it's allmost like portage on my gentoo system
11:37.26polyonymousit indeed is
11:37.36hrw|workjohnX: in 3.5.4.1-alpha2 and newer it will load usb module automatically
11:37.46johnXah
11:37.57prh_hrw|work: will it have tun modules compiled... :O)
11:38.17johnXit didn't on my .dev image ... and Shirk is using a .dev image as well
11:38.24hrw|workprh_: ask RP does he added it
11:38.30hrw|workjohnX: it was fixed today
11:38.34prh_hrw|work: rp?
11:38.46Shirkat least i think i do ;)
11:38.53hrw|workprh_: RP is our 2.6 kernel mastahacker
11:38.58prh_Ahh
11:39.02prh_mr purdie?
11:39.08prh_or Purdue? hmm
11:39.10johnXmy brain is gone, I mean NA|Gone instead of Shirk
11:39.29CoreDump|homethat's him, yeah
11:39.39Shirk^^
11:39.45hrw|workprh_: Richard Purdie
11:40.22prh_cool - does he irc much?
11:40.44prh_hrw|work: do you have a plan for building .2 ?
11:41.06hrw|workalpha2? during week
11:41.26NA|GoneDamn.. this is seriously good.. although I'll be getting weird looks on the train from now on :)
11:41.27prh_cool
11:42.00prh_NA|Gone: whats good?
11:42.07NA|Goneprh_: keyboard on the Z
11:42.13NA|Goneexternal USB keyboard
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11:42.59prh_ah right
11:45.47ShirkAny chance of getting a 2.6 kernel for sl5500 in the future?
11:45.58hrw|workShirk: in the future yes
11:46.03hrw|workin a short future no
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11:46.30alan|laptophi all
11:46.43hrw|workhi alan
11:47.31XorAprh_: shouldnt be too much work, its just I dont really use ruby
11:52.29alan|laptopis there a way to watch DVB-T on a zaurus ? there will soon be ways to  watch digital tv on a phone. Is anyone aware of such a possibility on a zaurus ?
11:53.28NA|Gonealan|laptop: Only way I can think of is via a USB DVB-T receiver; but, you'd be limited by both the Z's CPU and USB bandwidth.. not likely unless the DVB-T receiver transcodes it to a less processor/bandwidth-intensive codec
11:56.41alan|laptopthen i guess phones will use a specific codec, and a specific hardware... to watch tv on zaurus, we'll have to wait untill someone sell a CF dvb-t reciever... with linux divers...
11:57.17NA|Gonealan|laptop: Yep, IIRC, the phones receive a lesser broadcast than the MPEG2 stream; it's a specific profile of MPEG4 as far as I can remember
11:57.28alan|laptoph263
11:57.34alan|laptopiirc
11:57.39NA|GoneYeah, sounds about right
11:58.19alan|laptopa friend of mine works for alcatel... i should mail him about this idea...
12:00.27ShirkWill the oe cross toolchain compile with gcc 4.1 or do i have to use 3.3?
12:01.52hrw|workI use gcc 4.0.3 on host
12:01.59ShirkOK
12:10.01alan|laptopfound some infos : the technology used in phones is DVB-H. It uses either MPEG2, MPEG4 or VC-1 (never heard about this one...) at 11mb/s
12:12.23ShirkWhat is up with www.openzauruslorg/mirror/?? I get a download speed of 800b/s!
12:12.46hrw|workits sf.net ;(
12:12.46Shirk-l
12:12.51NA|Gonealan|laptop: VC-1 == MS's WMV 9
12:13.14ShirkOK then O
12:13.29ShirkOK then I'll have to wait another four hours..
12:13.41alan|laptopNA|Gone, i.e. = bad ;)
12:13.48NA|Gonealan|laptop: Well, yeah, that goes unsaid ;)
12:23.20ShirkThis is %ua pain%u
12:23.49NA|GoneShirk: That's not pain.. I'm doing a mt pull with 400+ patches :)
12:24.15ShirkGRR
12:26.43johnXShirk: What are you trying to get that's not mirrored somewhere else?
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12:36.24ShirkjohnX: linux-sl5500-20030509-rom3_10
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12:41.35johnXIf you have some way to verify it, you might try looking here: http://ictlab.tyict.vtc.edu.hk/~tsangkt/FYP/zaurus%20tools/ield_software/ch5/ROM3.10_stuff/
12:42.49johnXor here: http://zaurus.spy.org/feeds/cacko/pdaXrom/1.1.0/rc10/builder/mirror1.pdaxrom.org/source/src/
12:43.44hrw|workI plan to move stuff from oz.org/mirror/ to sf.net mirrors
12:44.51Shirksf mirrors are slow regardless of what you're downloading...
12:46.57ShirkThese mirrors worked, but why does bitbake not take use of them??
12:47.41johnXyou mean the links I posted? Those are just the result of searching for the file on google
12:47.53Shirkok
12:53.28Shirkbitbake complains about being not able to read 'tmp/staging/collie-linux/kernel/kernel-abiversion' (which does in fact not exist)
12:56.27Shirkpython IOException..
12:56.32Shirkhuge backtrace..
12:57.22Shirk*help*
13:04.58Shirkfixed: just did a mkdir -p and then a ' echo "2.4" >> tmp/staging/collie-linux/kernel/kernel-abiversion' - works atm..
13:34.58hrw|workShirk: mt pull
13:36.09RPprh_: I do lurk here ;-)
13:45.21polyonymousrtc on Z doesn't survive reboot?
13:50.42polyonymousit doesn't...
13:52.41bronsonhrw|work, I was reading the docs thread on the forums...  A wiki would be really, really useful.
13:52.58bronsonI've maintained some mediawikis so far...  Some get found by spammers, some don't.
13:53.23bronsonIf you require logins on the spammed ones, spam volume remains real low.
13:53.54bronsonSince MediaWiki serves diffs by RSS it's real easy to keep up with each change made.
13:54.07hrw|workbronson: the problem is that on sf.net you dont have working mail() so no mails with password so someone has to generate passwords for each contributor
13:54.19bronsonSo...  I'd be happy to set up a mediawiki for OZ.
13:54.24bronsonHm...
13:55.20hrw|workbronson: thats why Idisabled registrering on oz.org wordpress
13:55.47polyonymousopenid auth would be great if it was widely used.
13:55.47bronsonUsually spammers don't find a wiki for a few months anyway.
13:56.07bronsonCould leave it open for a long while probably.
13:56.17hrw|workbronson: they found oz website. we will add wiki link on site so they will come soon
13:56.18bronsonI'm looking into the mail issue right now...
13:57.25polyonymousDon't these antispam features like 'enter the solution to the equation pictured in graphics' work?
13:57.57bronsonpolyonymous, yep, but they're hard for sight-impared people to navigate.
13:58.13bronsonOf course, Zaurii are definitely not for the sight-impaired.  :)
13:58.13obergix[work]wouldn't it be possible to arrange hosting somewhere else than SF ?
13:58.16polyonymousbronson, Z is also hard for sight-impared people :)
13:58.19polyonymousYes :)
13:58.41obergix[work]there are ton's of people willing to sponsor some Z buying... so maybe a bit more for hosting costs ?
13:59.02bronsonA box asking "are you a low life spammer: Yes" gets rid of most spam.
13:59.16bronsonI can host it on my dreamhost site.
13:59.43bronsonIf it goes beyond 1 TB/month I'll have to move it.
13:59.50polyonymousbtw, before sharp zaurus I thought that plural for dinosaurus is dianosauria. Why zaurii?
14:00.05obergix[work]bronson: I would be thinking about some hosting provider instead of relying on someone in particular... but I don't have a word in decisions for OZ ;)
14:00.37bronsonobergix[work], you mean getting a provider to donate hosting?
14:00.53bronsonThat would be ideal.
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14:01.24obergix[work]bronson: not necessarily... just buying dedicated hosting...
14:01.31bronsonOh sure.
14:01.53bronsonSince I've already bought mine and I'm not using the bw, I don't mind donating for now.
14:02.09obergix[work]I prefer the idea to pay at a low cost service than relying on friends of friends arrangement, which may not be that long lasting ;)
14:02.22bronsonCould move to OZ funded when convenient ...  or when I disappear.  :)
14:02.25obergix[work]until you disappear from the net and we're stuck ;)
14:02.34obergix[work]hehe
14:02.35hrw|workyep
14:02.45hrw|workwe had many developers during OZ life
14:04.12bronsonTrue.  Heck, I've come and gone in the past.
14:04.12hrw|worksome of them are not recognized by normal users even
14:04.12polyonymousthat's the problem. I have some bandwidth to spare, but I don't know how long will it last so I don't even propose to use it.
14:04.12bronsonMy Z has been in the closet for a year.
14:04.12obergix[work]bronson: sell it and donate money for buying hosting ;)
14:04.12polyonymousobergix[work], in fact he should've rented it for that year :)
14:04.19obergix[work]ok, enough chatting... I probably have more interesting things to do ;)
14:04.27bronsonOK, well...  Best hosting deal that I know of is DreamHost at $97/year.  20GB,2TB/mo.
14:04.42obergix[work]have any others tested the udev fixes for modprobing and device creation, btw ?
14:05.08polyonymousobergix[work], never had problems with udev (besides rtc) what is there to test?
14:05.11bronsonSo where does the $97 come from?  I'm happy to donate the time to set it up.
14:05.45obergix[work]polyonymous: you using USB host and plugging devices ?
14:05.57polyonymousbronson, it is indeed interesting to trace back those $97 and see where it comes from :)
14:06.02polyonymousobergix[work], will do now :))
14:06.20obergix[work]bronson: maybe 97$ from sellin your Z ?
14:06.25bronsonI know.  I got screwed by it when I signed up.  Gave $47 to a total stranger. That shady deal is the worst part of DH.
14:06.26obergix[work]dunno prices on ebay ;)
14:06.50bronsonWell, if I sold my Z then I'd have no more interest in setting up a wiki...
14:06.55bronsonSort of a catch-22.
14:06.58obergix[work]ha ha
14:07.29polyonymousHm. just plugged in my card reader and no module is loaded :)
14:07.39bronsonOK, I'm going to try to figure out how to wedge MW onto SF.
14:07.49bronsonIf I can't, then I propose that one of us hosts a wiki for a while.
14:07.50obergix[work]polyonymous: http://bugs.treke.net/show_bug.cgi?id=792 and http://bugs.treke.net/show_bug.cgi?id=793
14:08.07polyonymousobergix[work], I'll look now. I modprobed usb-storage and no devices shown up
14:08.26bronsonAnd, of course, all content is mirrored onto backup sites in case the benevolent bandwidth donator disappears.
14:08.53polyonymousobergix[work], when did it go into mt?
14:09.06obergix[work]polyonymous: went into .dev this morning
14:09.16polyonymousAh. I have .oz branch pulled today.
14:09.25polyonymousoz354x to be precise.
14:09.58polyonymousBut loading module isn't udev's task, anyway, is it?
14:10.18obergix[work]polyonymous: the idea is I'd like to have others test the patches to know if it's valid for .dev -> .oz354x in any case... but RP is taking care of that, maybe I'm minding his business ;)
14:10.52obergix[work]polyonymous: well ... it's what it's supposed to be used for AFAIK on recent Linux 2.6 systems...
14:10.52polyonymousobergix[work], Well, I don't mind applying the patch, but should we really do it twice if RP works on it?
14:11.05polyonymousobergix[work], for creating /dev/ nodes, not loading modules.
14:11.10obergix[work]polyonymous: what do you expect to be loading modules ?
14:11.24polyonymoushotplug, probably?
14:11.38obergix[work]polyonymous: that's what udev is meant to be replacing, no ?
14:12.04obergix[work]hotplug is dead in 2.6, I think... not a kernel specialist, but heard it through the grapewine
14:12.09polyonymousobergix[work], well, not sure about embedded stuff, but normally udev _uses_ hotplug to populate dev nodes, not replaces it.
14:12.29polyonymousobergix[work], it's devfs who's dead in 2.6, I think
14:12.34hrw|workudev replaced hotplug months ago
14:13.00polyonymoushrw|work, on embedded stuff, right?
14:13.24hrw|workpolyonymous: everywhere
14:13.30polyonymousfor what I can tell by the linux-hotplug package presense, it hasn't.
14:13.48obergix[work]http://vrfy.org/log/recent-state-of-udev.html
14:14.16polyonymousthanks for the link
14:14.18obergix[work]polyonymous: not sure why embedded stuff would be any different ?
14:14.46polyonymousobergix[work], I take my words back. until I read the page at least :)
14:16.17polyonymouswell, I see now. In fact, I was referring to hotplug as a kernel's subsystem, not stock implementation, so udev haven't replaced hotplug I was talking about, but rather all implementations.
14:16.24obergix[work]polyonymous: you may need double checking with other references... I'm not sure that what he says is definite truth, nor that there are no specifics for Z ;)
14:16.27polyonymousBut, anyway, what is linux-hotplug package then?
14:16.41polyonymousobergix[work], it doesn't matter, I got the point.
14:17.59polyonymousbut still... we do have linux-hotplug package, don't we? Which seems to be more or less traditional implementation
14:18.14polyonymouswell, nevermind.
14:18.52obergix[work]polyonymous: for 2.4 ?
14:19.14polyonymousnot sure...
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14:20.54RPobergix[work]: I've tested your udev fixes and am happy they're right. I'll apply the changes to the branch when I get spare few minutes :)
14:21.11RPhotplug is totally dead on the Zaurii as udev disables it
14:21.20RPudev totally replaces it
14:22.21polyonymousRP, wouldn't it make sense not to install misleading package?
14:22.24bronsonRP, that's great news.  There was a bit of pain when Ubuntu made the hotplug->udev transition but it's soooo worth it.
14:22.31obergix[work]RP: thx... just thought other's tests may help ;)
14:22.34polyonymousI haven't been following kernel for quite a while...
14:23.15polyonymousWell, I'd prefer test it by pulling it from monotone, to be true :)
14:23.21bronsonWhat's the deal with 2.6 on Collie?  Still never thanks to the proprietary SD reader?
14:23.29RPpolyonymous: Removing the hotplug is a low priority but I agree we need to see if we can remove it entirely at some point
14:23.44RPbronson: SD is the big problem
14:23.46polyonymousRP, I didn't mean to hurry you with that :)
14:31.19Shirkmt pull?
14:39.17obergix[work]Anybody with a clear idea of Sharp's position with projects like OZ these days... seing for instance how Nokia opened-up the process for maemo/n770 ?
14:39.49obergix[work]Any hope that user/community pressure could help make things move ? ... or are we gald they can't mess finally ? ;)
14:40.33obergix[work]I mean better living without help from them, but as we want, than having to discuss for years with search for consensus...
14:41.39obergix[work]I think more and more companies are opening to OpenSource strategies, and I wonder if they wouldn't change a bit (if they ever were asked formally, and answered no, even, in the past, for which I don't know)
14:49.29Shirkmt pull??
14:49.44polyonymousmt pull!! :)
14:51.35Shirk...grummel...
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14:59.02darmouhi all, does anyone know of the state of sd support for the 2.6 kernels for splitz?
14:59.32darmouI have a 1 gig sd card, and would not like to lose access to it if possible.
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15:10.03polyonymousspitz?
15:10.24polyonymousJust put in an sd card into borzoi and it worked fine.
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15:23.02darmoucool thanks
15:23.28darmouI just bougt a borzoi, splitz is for both the 3100 and 3000 images
15:24.11hrw|workspitz for c3000/c3100/c3200
15:24.34darmou"Spitz (sl-c3000) and Borzoi (sl-c3100) images are the same so we united them."  from the alpha release read me
15:25.07hrw|workalpha1 was BEFORE c3200
15:25.25darmouyep but 3200 is escentually the same except for bigger hard disk I think
15:26.05darmouI'm glad sd cards work:) I had heard there were some problems
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15:31.32prh_RP: any chance you can enable the tun module for 2.6 kernels (7xx and cxx00) please :O)
15:31.56prh_RP: I think hrw is going to build .2 soon and it would be _really_ handy to have tun modules in that
15:32.13obergix[work]darmou: only certain cards work... others not...
15:32.45hrw|workprh_: tun is in
15:33.01prh_oh goody
15:33.26prh_vtun/openvpn should work again then...
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15:36.43RPprh_: Yes, its already done :)
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15:37.50prh_yey
15:47.39webminden usb network works :)
15:49.50obergix[work]webmind: en ?
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15:56.29polyonymousen or not, but it does :)
15:57.02obergix[work]polyonymous: sure, with a DUB-E100 here
15:57.26polyonymouswith what? I just used usb cable
15:58.12hrw|workdub-e100 is fastethernet usb dongle?
15:58.22obergix[work]ok, thought I had read usb ethernet network ;)
15:58.29obergix[work]hrw|work: yep
15:58.32polyonymousI'd guess yes
15:58.38polyonymousAh.
15:58.50obergix[work]works plugged on a hub which is connected to my akita
15:58.58polyonymousI was glad to be able to use it while trying to make my bluetooth card work...
15:59.04hrw|workheh.. usbhost in Z...
15:59.05polyonymousNot that I completely succeeded...
15:59.45polyonymouskernel oopses when I try to stop using BT card :(
15:59.47obergix[work]sure, remote login through ssh helps debuging
16:00.02polyonymousobergix[work], yes, and I couldn't do it over wlan, since I needed cf slot :)
16:00.27obergix[work]I'm gonna try a USB IDE adapter with a harddrive, to see what's happening, maybe
16:00.41hrw|workwith powered hub it should work
16:00.47obergix[work]polyonymous: I clearly copy you ;)
16:00.59obergix[work]hrw|work: that's what I think... but would like to test for sure
16:01.36polyonymousI think it should work with separate power supply for hdd.
16:01.42webmindobergix[work], cause of it not working was a crashed Z
16:02.17obergix[work]polyonymous: sure... I don't expect the USB power to provide enough for it ;)
16:03.03polyonymousbut I have this usb-ide adapter for 2.5 inch drive which provides all power from usb...
16:04.08polyonymousAnd it doesn't work for some hdds
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16:55.02bronsonI've got mediawiki working great on SF, just without the password emails.
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17:43.14ShirkI just updated oe via monotone and now my 'bitbake bootstrap-image' has crashed on building the kernel with the message: please upgrade your binutils to version 2.9.5 .. what can i do??
17:43.44JustinPwhat kernel?
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17:45.01Shirk2.4.18-rmk7-pxa3-embeddix (for sl5500)
17:48.36JustinPdid you install the zaurus kernel toolchain?
17:48.49JustinPhttp://oe.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/ZaurusKernels
17:49.23Shirkthe one mentioned in OE's getting started? (this cross-gcc-2.95??)
17:49.39JustinPyeah
17:49.46ShirkYes
17:49.46JustinPyou need that for the 2.4 zaurus kernels
17:49.58JustinPdid you set up your path and rename the files correctly?
17:50.05ShirkI thought this is it?
17:50.51JustinPfollow the instructions on that link I posted
17:51.38ShirkI'll try..
17:57.00ShirkOK i think it works now - at least i got no errors in the last few minutes :)
17:57.34ShirkForgot to cp gcc and ld to the versionen ones..
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17:59.18ShirkYep.. it worked :))
18:00.34ShirkAnother question: bitbake creates the cross tools as needed - does it keep them after my image build is done or do i have to recreate the toolchain along with each image build?
18:01.40JustinPas long as you don't delete your tmp dir it won't re-build anything unless it's been updated
18:03.12ShirkNice, im going to build some sort of gpe with matchbox replaced by e17 in the next days - this will shurely take more than one build cycle..
18:04.49JustinPShirk: I'm the e17 maintainer ;-)
18:04.53JustinPShirk: build e-image
18:05.18JustinPI'm having problems right now with edje-native, though....it's complaining about buffers....
18:06.36Shirk^^ noone told me about - this will save me much work
18:07.01ShirkI'll try it right after my bootstrap image is done
18:07.35JustinPit *should* work just fine
18:07.45JustinPbut, as I said, I've been having edje issues...
18:08.09JustinPShirk: there are already e images for the various devices
18:08.34Shirkwhere?
18:09.01JustinPreleased with 3.5.4...or at least I thought hrw said he put them up...
18:09.30Shirke17 is mentioned in the release post but i was not able to find any images..
18:10.17JustinPhmmm...I guess he only released them for the c7x
18:10.31JustinPbe warned, though, that it's not going to be nearly as usable on a collie....
18:10.40JustinPthe screen is only 320x200
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18:10.50JustinPI don't know if you can even use entrance on there
18:11.06JustinPI'd appreciate a test, though
18:11.55ShirkThat's why I want to test it - just to see how e17 looks and works on a collie ^^
18:14.29ShirkJust took a look into the packages/meta/ directory - there are some other interesting sounding images
18:15.46bronsonpolyonymous, do you hrw or lardman's email addresses?
18:15.58polyonymousbronson, nope
18:16.00bronsonI've found a solution to running MediaWiki.
18:16.13bronsonHm, I was hoping we could talk but they appear gone...
18:16.21bronsonOwell, I guess I'll email the OZ list.
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18:22.36polyonymousHmm... thought I'd compile helloworld on Z... Installed what I thought is necessary and now it tells me: /usr/lib/gcc/arm-linux/3.4.4/../../../../arm-linux/bin/ld: cannot find /lib/libc.so.6 inside /usr/bin/../../usr
18:29.12bronsonHm, actaully I don't think that I'm going to discuss the wiki over email...
18:29.16bronsonToo many cooks.
18:33.02polyonymousbronson, wiki is too many cooks :)
18:33.28bronsonpolyonymous, tell that to wikipedia!
18:33.43polyonymousThey're busy cooking, won't listen.
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18:52.35hrw|huskyhi
18:52.49hrw|huskybronson: openembedded@hrw.one.pl
18:53.16polyonymousbronson, now I can tell you hrw's email address :))
18:53.24bronsonAh, good.
18:53.41hrw|huskybronson: what is a solution?
18:53.44bronsonhrw, I just sent you an email.  Tell me what you think.
18:53.55hrw|huskyok will check it tomorrow
18:54.07bronsonI'll tell you briefly.
18:54.23bronsonI tried setting up MediaWiki on SourceForge...  Argh.  It truly is painful.
18:54.32bronsonBut what about BerliOS?
18:54.39bronsonhttp://tmtest.berlios.de
18:55.07bronsonWorks great.  I could register openzaurus.berlios.de and have a wiki up in a short time.
18:55.47bronsonI also wondered if the handhelds.org guys would want to host an OZ wiki.
18:56.20hrw|huskybasically oz is ending
18:56.29hrw|huskyAngstrom is future
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18:57.16hrw|huskyi expect first angstrom release on end of year for all 2.6 powered Zaurii
18:57.38galvAtr0nwhats the best commandline util to audio/video stream on Z
18:57.43bronsonThat's long enough that it's probably still worth putting up an OZ wiki.
18:57.48hrw|huskyand ipaqs and other stuff
18:57.50bronsonIt wouldn't take too much time.
18:58.03hrw|huskybronson: sure - just need to find solution
18:58.24bronsonWell, are you OK with using BerliOS?
18:58.36hrw|huskyhave to think about it
18:58.49hrw|huskythere are too many websites with infos...
18:59.35bronsonThis isn't intended to be a separate site of course.
18:59.39hrw|huskyoz website, oe website, oe wiki, hh.org wiki, opie wiki, gpe wiki, bitbake manual.....
18:59.58bronson:)
19:00.42hrw|huskyand oesf wiki, oesf forums
19:00.58bronsonI agree.
19:01.10hrw|huskyif we add oz wiki for this...
19:01.43bronsonWow, I didn't even know OESF had a wiki.
19:01.48bronsonCool.
19:01.51bronsonWhy not just use that?
19:01.56hrw|huskywe could probably use oe wiki or oesf wiki for docs
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19:02.42hrw|huskyoesf one could be nice but users of other Z distros could add infos to our docs if not good managed
19:03.11bronsonYep.  And less control over accounts, spam, etc.
19:03.30hrw|huskytoo
19:04.59bronsonSo...  I guess it's three choices...?  use oesf, use oz.berlios.de, or ask hh.org to host.
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19:05.19hrw|huskyor use oe wiki like we do already for some stuff
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19:06.14al_dohi all
19:06.25hrw|huskydecision i want to leave for lardman as he is docs manager
19:06.28hrw|huskyhi al
19:06.56al_doI've tryed to install libqte2... it seems not to install on my spitz...
19:07.08hrw|huskyr31 one>
19:07.11hrw|husky?
19:07.13al_doyes
19:07.20hrw|huskyshould do
19:07.29bronsonOK.  Should I email lardman?
19:07.32hrw|huskymaybe cursors will be rotated..
19:07.54hrw|huskyal_do: r32 will get cursors fixed on akita/c3x00
19:08.33al_dohrw: I'd paste packge manager output if I know how to copy / paste :)
19:08.54hrw|huskyal_do: ok
19:09.38al_doit says something about "unsatisfied recommendation for kernel-....."
19:10.07hrw|huskythats not related to it
19:10.38bronsonhrw|husky, is this right?  S.G.Pickering@bath.ac.uk
19:10.51hrw|huskybronson: dont remember
19:10.58al_doand then "cannot satisfy the following dependencies.... tslib-conf"
19:10.59hrw|huskybronson: msg lardman|gone
19:11.08al_dowhat should I do?
19:11.09bronsonOK.
19:11.15hrw|huskyal_do: hmm..
19:11.32hrw|huskyal_do: you installed opie-image on Z?
19:11.39al_doy
19:12.01al_do3.5.4.1-a on my spitz
19:12.01hrw|huskyshould be installable then
19:12.15hrw|huskytslib-conf is part of gpe and opie image
19:13.29hrw|huskyI know that users installed it on borzoi which use same images as spitz
19:13.37al_doanother thing... package manager whould not work If I haven't made a "manual" ipkg update from shell after adding the address you posted on www.zaurususergroup.org...
19:13.53hrw|huskyopie-pm suxx
19:14.05hrw|huskyphone...
19:14.15al_domm
19:14.22hrw|gonecu
19:14.27al_dobye
19:31.04polyonymousso has anyone tried compiling on Z?
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19:31.37bronsonpolyonymous, I've done it in the past.  It's slow but works as you'd expect.
19:31.51polyonymousbronson, for me it doesn't :)
19:32.08bronsonBogus.  I haven't done it in the past year.
19:32.11polyonymous/usr/lib/gcc/arm-linux/3.4.4/../../../../arm-linux/bin/ld: cannot find /lib/libc.so.6 inside /usr/bin/../../usr
19:32.28polyonymousI believe it should be /, not /usr....
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19:55.45Shirknothing provides glibc-charmap-utf8..
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20:04.59prh_yey - got rails installed on my z - albeit in a debian chroot
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21:44.39CoreDump|homehi
21:44.45polyonymoushi
21:44.55polyonymousCoreDump|home, do you know if gcc on Z is broken?
21:45.38CoreDump|homeI don't. gcc on Z sounds too painful so I never bothered to try ;)
21:46.01polyonymous:)) I've tried to gcc helloworld...
21:46.02polyonymous/usr/lib/gcc/arm-linux/3.4.4/../../../../arm-linux/bin/ld: cannot find /lib/libc.so.6 inside /usr/bin/../../usr
21:46.28polyonymousWhy would it look for /lib/libc in /usr?
21:46.36CoreDump|homeno clue heh
21:46.52polyonymousI see. I wonder why provide the package then :)
21:47.07CoreDump|homefair point
21:47.17CoreDump|homeI guess it is "supposed" to work tho
21:47.29polyonymousLikely :)
21:48.13webminduhm.. if I ssh in over usbnet device, and try to edit something with vi.. my sessions hangs
21:48.33polyonymouswebmind, how can it be related to usbnet?
21:48.40webmindno idea
21:48.51webmindbut I had similar issues with my phone
21:50.51webmindwhich was an mtu issue
21:50.51polyonymousStrange. I have to admin I haven't tried vi, but vim worked fine :)
21:50.55webmindwell I start vim.. but ps calls it vi
21:50.55polyonymousexport EDITOR=vim
21:50.55polyonymousoopd
21:50.55polyonymousoops
21:50.55polyonymousI misread you
21:50.56webmindhmm
21:50.56polyonymousweird settings you have there.
21:50.56webmindodd
21:50.56webmindah
21:50.56webmindwait
21:50.58webmindit's indeed only with vi
21:50.58webmindnot with vim
21:50.58webmindvim works
21:50.58polyonymoushmm... lemme try...
21:50.58webmindhmm, terminal issue I guess
21:51.04webmindhappens when scrolling to the bottom of the file
21:51.04polyonymouswhat is your TERM?
21:52.25polyonymousby default sshing into Z isn't much fun as /etc/profile sets TERM to vt100
21:52.51polyonymouswebmind, http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=805
21:54.34webmindhmm I'll look in a bit
21:54.51webmindfor some reason usbd0 doesnt want to come up automagicly
21:55.01polyonymousifup usb0 ?
21:56.07polyonymousvi doesn't hang on me either.
21:56.22polyonymousI'll try to set TERM to vt100, what term do you ssh from?
21:56.51polyonymousniether it locks up with vt100 setting
21:57.17webmindterm is vt100
21:57.19webmindbut using eterm
21:57.27webmindifup works btw
21:57.27polyonymousI'm using rxvt
21:57.31polyonymousmay be different
21:57.35webmindbut I want it to auto come up on insert
21:57.55polyonymousnever bothered to figure out how
21:58.24webmindsame problem on rxvt
21:58.36webminddo you edit /etc/network/interfaces ?
21:58.56polyonymoustried setting TERM to your term?
21:59.10polyonymousin fact my term type is screen, not even rxvt :))
21:59.34polyonymouswell, I was going to edit it right now to see how can one get it up
22:08.05webmindhmm, it seems to have issues with incorrectly shutting down
22:08.08webmindawell
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22:08.49webmindexport TERM=eterm;vi # hangs imidiatly
22:08.54webmindI'm using tosa btw
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22:09.12polyonymousDoesn't sound like model-related issue...
22:09.43webmindwell I'm not sure where it's related too
22:12.56webmindbtw, do you do any syncing over network? and if yes.. what setup would work best (workstation is linux using kontact)
22:13.23polyonymousnah, I don't.
22:13.28webmindk
22:13.33polyonymousWell, in a sense, I do -- using rsync :)
22:20.17webmindheh
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22:44.12jayja1how do I keep me in sync with oz - feeds ?
22:44.17jayja1ipkg update
22:44.25jayja1ipkg upgrade
22:44.27jayja1??
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22:46.06polyonymousboth
22:46.30CoreDump|homenot on a coolie, no
22:46.45jayja1CoreDump :: how then ?
22:46.59CoreDump|homeupgrade is likely to fill your rootf to 100%
22:47.27jayja1CoreDump :: well I did it right now. he just updated dropbear and that was it ...
22:47.32polyonymousCoreDump|home, btw, is there a way to see what upgrade would do?
22:47.40CoreDump|homejayja1: upgrade selected packages only
22:47.52jayja1CoreDump :: by hand ?
22:47.57CoreDump|homepolyonymous: i dunno
22:48.05CoreDump|homejayja1: well, yes
22:48.17CoreDump|homeor move your rootfs to SD
22:48.37jayja1CoreDump :: SD -> well sound good.
22:48.47jayja1CoreDump :: I guess altboot will do the trick.
22:48.52CoreDump|homeindeed
22:49.06jayja1CoreDump :: same with CF ?
22:49.20Devzieits altboot part of the 3.5.4 release by default?
22:49.21CoreDump|homeyep
22:49.32CoreDump|homeand yep
22:49.39CoreDump|homehttp://openzaurus.org/wordpress/howto/the-altboot-faq/
22:49.44Devziethx CD ;)
22:49.46jayja1Devzie:: damn cool stuff.
22:49.57CoreDump|homeboots SD, CF, NFS, USB-Storage
22:50.04CoreDump|homenp
22:50.14Devzieyea. 3.5.4 is running awesome (and fast) compared to 3.5.3
22:51.04jayja1CoreDump:: how do you know about altboot -> usb .. any devices with usb host around ?
22:51.28CoreDump|homejayja1: SL-Cxxxx work, tosa is untested
22:51.48CoreDump|homeother zaurii do not offer USB-Host AFAIK
22:52.56jayja1CoreDump :: ok.
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22:53.11CoreDump|homehowever, it is rather unpractical to boot off an usb stick dangling off the back of your z heh
22:56.29polyonymousto _alt_boot. it's okay :)
22:58.28jayja1CoreDump :: HEHE
22:58.36jayja1CoreDump :: *lol*
22:59.00jayja1CoreDump :: btw. really could FAQ to altboot on openzaurus.
22:59.51CoreDump|homethanks
23:00.58CoreDump|homejayja1: in case you didn't notice, your patch is in
23:06.27jayja1*kewl*
23:07.47jayja1well I am quite new to oe. Just peeked and poked around a bit.
23:08.19jayja1it will take a while till it is in feed  I guess.
23:08.19CoreDump|homeit's fun once you get used to it
23:08.42CoreDump|homeyeah
23:09.18CoreDump|homehowever, it'll be in the 3.5.4.1 release ;)
23:10.21jayja1CoreDump :: my plan is to get "jed" with gpg support running.
23:10.43jayja1CoreDump :: works in real world but is not in oe yet.
23:10.51CoreDump|homei c
23:11.01jayja1CoreDump :: do you know jed.
23:11.08CoreDump|homenot really
23:12.02jayja1CoreDump :: it is a small clone of "emacs" using an own C-like syntax for adjustements.
23:12.09jayja1CoreDump :: called slang.
23:13.48jayja1N8. cu guys.
23:14.30CoreDump|homen8 jayja1
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23:15.52polyonymousjust noticed that sound stopped working on my Z...
23:17.25CoreDump|homeheh
23:17.38polyonymousno idea what could the problem be...
23:18.00eccerr0rI had my sound stop working when I had mpg321 running and suspended my palmtop.
23:18.02polyonymousvolume is okay, but it makes no sound...
23:18.07CoreDump|homerm /etc/asound.state and reboot
23:18.10eccerr0rhad to reboot to fix it up.
23:18.13polyonymousI've just rebooted.
23:18.22polyonymousWell, I think I'll proceed with that, CoreDump|home
23:22.27polyonymousYes, works now
23:22.48polyonymousgotta alsactl store working state to avoid reboots in the future:)
23:23.52CoreDump|homethere is a working state copied to /etc on reboot if the file was "lost"
23:26.32polyonymous.bak? I'm afraid it may be way too old :)
23:27.15polyonymous(i.e. silent)
23:27.28polyonymousSo, I meant too recent :))
23:28.28CoreDump|homenahh not from back
23:28.56CoreDump|homeit's function normally only triggered on first-boot to get a working .state into /etc
23:29.06polyonymousAh, I see.
23:29.07CoreDump|homedunno where the original is tho =)
23:29.20polyonymousShouldn't be hard to find :)
23:29.26CoreDump|homeindeed ;)
23:29.36polyonymousif you told me before I could spare reboot :)))
23:29.41CoreDump|homehehe
23:40.20polyonymousheh gcc -Wl,--sysroot=/ helloworld.c works :))
23:40.31CoreDump|homeyay
23:40.50polyonymousI wonder what is the purpose of --with-sysroot=${prefix} in .bb....
23:40.56polyonymousbinutils bb that is
23:41.20polyonymoustrying to build without now...
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23:50.49polyonymousHmm... worked fine without... not sure about possible side effects... Well, I think I will file the bug with patch and let you guys sort it out.

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