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| 07:46.40 | jnc | bugger all, the 3.5.4.1test doesn't have support for my usbnet adapter |
| 07:46.44 | jnc | :/ |
| 07:46.52 | jnc | i have two usbnet adapters here |
| 07:46.55 | jnc | neither is working. |
| 07:47.35 | jnc | they are the PowerAct UW-U2LAN-A01, and LinkSys USB200M |
| 07:52.03 | webmind | is that with 2.6 ? |
| 07:56.01 | jnc | yeah |
| 07:56.30 | jnc | i *know* that the LinkSys USB200M is compatible with most desktop computers |
| 07:56.37 | jnc | the other one i have my doubts about |
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| 09:00.28 | JustinP | jnc: you sure they're being powered ok? Have you tried a powered USB hub? |
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| 09:17.17 | jnc | JustinP: that's not a bad point |
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| 09:20.02 | jnc | JustinP: no dice |
| 09:20.09 | jnc | JustinP: i'm using a powered hub, same behavior |
| 09:21.33 | jnc | JustinP: i don't think the driver for the LinkSys USB200M is in there :( |
| 09:23.09 | jnc | okay hmm... desktop debian computer says the driver is asix |
| 09:24.02 | jnc | oh! now it works |
| 09:24.09 | jnc | JustinP: nevermind, i guess i had the wrong driver |
| 09:24.26 | jnc | JustinP: i'm used to it loading automatically on my desktop computer |
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| 09:46.17 | CoreDump|home | morning |
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| 15:14.16 | CoreDump|home | anyone here with a SL-C1000 and a digital camera? |
| 15:58.04 | Radiance | nope heh |
| 16:00.09 | CoreDump|home | didn't think so ;) |
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| 18:38.59 | alan|laptop | hi all ! |
| 18:39.42 | alan|laptop | does anyone in here know anything about how the battery is handled in zaurii ? |
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| 19:22.00 | jnc | CoreDump|home: what do you need? |
| 19:22.23 | CoreDump|home | ? |
| 19:22.59 | jnc | w/re camera and c1000 |
| 19:23.21 | jnc | it's not an SL-C1000 AFAIK, it would be just C1000 |
| 19:23.23 | CoreDump|home | ahh, i got a photo already, thanks ;) |
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| 19:30.51 | bubak | hi |
| 19:31.17 | bubak | i just bought a sl-c3200 and i want to install oz on it |
| 19:31.18 | jnc | hello |
| 19:31.37 | bubak | id like to know |
| 19:31.59 | bubak | a) there is no 2.4 kernel in 3.5.4.1-alpha, right? |
| 19:32.14 | CoreDump|home | right |
| 19:32.41 | bubak | b) i also bought sharp rh-cexxx remote for music player, probably -- it wont work with oz? |
| 19:33.50 | CoreDump|home | correct |
| 19:33.55 | bubak | #gpe |
| 19:34.06 | bubak | thanks for answers! |
| 19:34.16 | CoreDump|home | you're welcome =) |
| 19:34.27 | alan|laptop | gentlement, do you think a 4,8 charger would charge my c7x0 ? |
| 19:35.06 | jnc | bubak: the remote emits keycodes. if using GPE, you could use xmodmap to remap those keycodes to other symbols |
| 19:35.19 | CoreDump|home | possibly, yes. but i'll use a larger current which may or may not damage your device |
| 19:35.51 | CoreDump|home | jnc: to my knowledge you'd need a driver for that |
| 19:35.55 | jnc | oh? |
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| 19:36.16 | CoreDump|home | JustinP: is the remote OZ expert :) |
| 19:36.18 | jnc | it's been a long time since i worked on keymaps |
| 19:36.20 | jnc | yeah |
| 19:36.27 | polyonymous | does Cxx00 have microphone? Not at all or is it available with this remote or s something? |
| 19:36.30 | jnc | bubak: how do you like your C3200? |
| 19:36.32 | CoreDump|home | it doesn't work for him w/ 2.6 |
| 19:36.52 | jnc | polyonymous: it has *either* microphone -or- headphone output |
| 19:37.00 | jnc | not built in that i know of |
| 19:37.11 | polyonymous | Aha. Some special mike? |
| 19:37.23 | polyonymous | Not that I really need it, but just wondering. |
| 19:37.25 | jnc | standard electret mic, i think |
| 19:37.53 | polyonymous | How does it know if it's mic or phones that is plugged in? |
| 19:37.56 | jnc | bubak: i've got a C3000, and an C3100. was thinking about selling the C3000 to get the C3200 |
| 19:38.30 | jnc | polyonymous: same way any 6.1ch desktop pci sound card does, i suppose |
| 19:38.32 | polyonymous | jnc, I bought 3100 a month before 3200 came out for the same price :( But after all 2G is not a big deal. |
| 19:38.41 | polyonymous | jnc, Ah, I didn't know they do :) |
| 19:38.54 | bubak | jnc: may i help you somehow? |
| 19:39.01 | jnc | :) |
| 19:39.14 | jnc | just wondering what you think of the terrier |
| 19:39.27 | CoreDump|home | w00f w00f |
| 19:39.31 | jnc | 3.5.4.1test image should work for you, bubak. |
| 19:39.49 | bubak | well, im completely new to PDA and i own that device for just a week |
| 19:39.53 | jnc | ah okay |
| 19:40.04 | CoreDump|home | -alpha2 will bring a ton of fixes for GPE on SL-Cxxxx |
| 19:40.07 | jnc | i'll privmsg you to a link where C3200 openzaurus test images are |
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| 19:40.54 | jnc | CoreDump|home: i'm unhappy with both Opie and GPE for 3.5.4.1test |
| 19:41.14 | jnc | the nail in a coffin for my dissatisfaction is that suspend does not work |
| 19:41.31 | CoreDump|home | really? ouch |
| 19:41.58 | jnc | though RP assures me that suspend works on his C3000, and that it is only my C3000 which is not working, i am worried that this indicates things are going on that may harm other hardware |
| 19:42.06 | bubak | i think its not worth to exchange c3100 for c3200 for jsut a 2G |
| 19:42.12 | bubak | of hdd |
| 19:42.14 | jnc | bubak: okay |
| 19:42.18 | JustinP | jnc: the remote only emits keycodes with 2.4 kernel |
| 19:42.24 | jnc | JustinP: oh, bugger |
| 19:42.27 | jnc | JustinP: good to know |
| 19:42.34 | JustinP | jnc: the remote doesn't work yet with 2.6 |
| 19:42.43 | jnc | JustinP: would you have it emit keycodes, or register as an input device? |
| 19:42.52 | JustinP | bubak: yeah, I'm the "expert" because I'm th eonly one here who has one of the remotes....except for you now ;-) |
| 19:43.05 | JustinP | jnc: RP would have it register an input device |
| 19:43.10 | JustinP | jnc: it actually already does |
| 19:43.25 | jnc | does it generate info? i.e. could this be done in userspace... |
| 19:43.29 | JustinP | jnc: it just doesn't work.....haven't had time to try to delve into the max1111 code.... |
| 19:43.36 | jnc | oh |
| 19:43.50 | JustinP | jnc: it should be able to generate a single event for all of the buttons, yes (I can't differentiate them) |
| 19:44.10 | alan|laptop | a friend of mine told me he could build a system that would provide 4,8 volt for 10800A !!! do you think this could be used with a zaurus ? as an external charger, i mean... |
| 19:44.11 | JustinP | bubak: I don't suppose you're a hardware or kernel expert? |
| 19:44.49 | jnc | alan|laptop: ten thousand eight hundred ampres. |
| 19:44.54 | jnc | are you sure? |
| 19:45.02 | CoreDump|home | Ah |
| 19:45.10 | CoreDump|home | he means Ah |
| 19:45.13 | alan|laptop | ma, sorry |
| 19:45.16 | JustinP | alan|laptop: are you talking about a portable "charger"? |
| 19:45.18 | CoreDump|home | maeven |
| 19:45.23 | alan|laptop | JustinP, yep |
| 19:45.28 | JustinP | alan|laptop: I bought a portable battery which has switchable voltages |
| 19:45.40 | JustinP | alan|laptop: and switchable ends |
| 19:46.07 | bubak | JustinP: im not, i would describe myself as advanced linux user :) (just use computers for everyday work with a bit of programming in languages like java and python) |
| 19:46.16 | JustinP | jnc: FWIW 2.6 seems to be acting a bit strangely on my Z as well as far as suspending....like dying in a few days when 2.4 used to stay suspended forever |
| 19:46.35 | jnc | JustinP: that is probably the same issue i have |
| 19:46.44 | JustinP | bubak: so kind of like me.... I've gotten the kernel driver "working" but it's not *really* working... |
| 19:46.47 | jnc | mine is amplified, as it works up until about 3-4 min |
| 19:46.48 | jnc | then dies |
| 19:47.04 | JustinP | jnc: I don't have that problem. I'm talking abut battery dying |
| 19:47.11 | alan|laptop | JustinP, if i understand correctly, i shouldn't use such a charger... |
| 19:47.14 | jnc | maybe it's not the battery! |
| 19:47.23 | CoreDump|home | jnc: did you try that with a fresh image? |
| 19:47.27 | jnc | CoreDump|home: yes |
| 19:47.41 | jnc | 3.5.4.1test |
| 19:47.43 | CoreDump|home | w/o any inserted h/w? |
| 19:47.51 | jnc | correct |
| 19:48.01 | jnc | the SharpROM works perfectly on the same hardware |
| 19:48.07 | jnc | i had verified that recently |
| 19:48.09 | CoreDump|home | :( |
| 19:48.32 | jnc | JustinP: try that same process with AC adapter in |
| 19:48.37 | jnc | JustinP: see if it still dies? |
| 19:49.03 | jnc | i have to unplug all power from the C3000 when suspend crashes like this, and hit the reset button |
| 19:49.11 | jnc | simply hitting the reset button does not work |
| 19:49.22 | JustinP | jnc: this is a few days in my backpack causes it to eat the entire battery...I can't reset, the battery is dead |
| 19:49.37 | jnc | JustinP: are you sure the battery is dead though |
| 19:51.34 | jnc | remote schem => http://home.arcor.de/relei2004/zaurusfernb.html |
| 19:51.46 | JustinP | the remote scheme doesn't help me |
| 19:52.21 | JustinP | yes, I'm pretty sure the battery is dead. Removing the battery and putting it back doesn't let it come back on. I have to charge it for a few minutes before it come sup |
| 19:52.28 | JustinP | then again my Z just came back up fine |
| 19:52.42 | JustinP | probably my backpack is turning on my Z and it dies like that ;-) |
| 19:52.50 | jnc | oh |
| 19:53.02 | jnc | did you try the reset button after removing all power? |
| 19:53.22 | jnc | mine it is not enough to remove all power after a crash |
| 19:53.32 | jnc | it has to be removed of all power, and the reset button |
| 19:54.29 | JustinP | yeah i think this is my fault..... |
| 19:54.45 | jnc | :( |
| 19:55.09 | jnc | i need suspend to work if i'm going to use OZ instead of SharpROM |
| 19:55.31 | jnc | i've made a list of things in 3.5.4.1test that seem like bugs |
| 19:55.57 | jnc | the time applet crashed during opie first start, leaving the PDA unusable |
| 19:56.15 | jnc | the 'shutdown -r now' behavior results in power off |
| 19:56.24 | JustinP | yes, reboot doesn't reboot |
| 19:56.32 | JustinP | RP knows and doesn't see it as a big bug |
| 19:57.14 | jnc | hmm |
| 19:57.32 | jnc | it's not right for a releasable image IMO |
| 19:57.42 | jnc | if i tell the computer to reboot, it should reboot. |
| 19:57.56 | JustinP | you shouldn't be rebooting a PDA anyway....and it's not that big of a problem |
| 19:58.00 | JustinP | just press the power button |
| 19:58.13 | jnc | i would if i could suspend reliably, man |
| 19:58.17 | JustinP | at least it does shutdown properly, which the 2.4 kernel never did |
| 19:59.04 | jnc | the "ok" and "cancel" buttons don't work so well in Opie |
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| 20:03.17 | jnc | GPE has permissions issues |
| 20:03.40 | jnc | it asks for the root pass on the network applet, and then when i commit a change it says permission denied |
| 20:04.00 | jnc | unable to have sufficient permission for editing network config |
| 20:04.03 | jnc | something like that |
| 20:06.17 | RP | jnc: reboot does reboot but requires a button press. Get over it. |
| 20:07.24 | jnc | it is very minor, yes, but the point is that "reboot" actually shuts down |
| 20:07.37 | jnc | "reboot" would implicate that it's going to be booting again. |
| 20:07.52 | JustinP | jnc: semantics |
| 20:07.53 | RP | jnc: It does not make the image unreleasable |
| 20:08.15 | jnc | okay but then, how would someone actually reboot? |
| 20:08.36 | AlexTe | I would like to display japanese fonts, what package do you recommend ? Tried qte-font-japanese-230, did not help |
| 20:09.16 | JustinP | jnc: press the power button..... |
| 20:09.23 | jnc | without pressing the power button |
| 20:10.02 | RP | jnc: I'm not saying anything further on the issue. Please never mention it to me again as I don't want to know. |
| 20:10.03 | jnc | that's fine |
| 20:10.36 | jnc | but it's a missing feature, and other features are misnamed, and it all kind of bothers me that reboot doesn't reboot, and shutdown shuts down but doesn't turn off the device (like i would tend to want shutdown to do on anything modern) |
| 20:10.55 | JustinP | jnc: Zaurii don't shutdown |
| 20:11.14 | jnc | JustinP: mine does, i do "reboot" and the OK+Power button combo works |
| 20:11.19 | RP | JustinP: Its no good, he doesn't listen. I've tried to explain this |
| 20:11.20 | jnc | that's pretty well shut down for me |
| 20:11.35 | JustinP | OK + Power? |
| 20:11.39 | jnc | yeah to get to the flash menu |
| 20:11.46 | jnc | the device has to be actually off for that to work |
| 20:12.23 | RP | but then what the heck do I know about Zaurus hardware... |
| 20:12.42 | jnc | is that my device only? |
| 20:13.13 | jnc | JustinP: what does yours do when using "shutdown -r now" ? |
| 20:13.23 | jnc | can you use OK+Power button after that |
| 20:17.38 | JustinP | jnc: I'll try it |
| 20:18.28 | JustinP | jnc: not that it will prove anything |
| 20:18.43 | JustinP | jnc: it just means it's in "shutdown" mode. The Zaurii never power off unless you pull power |
| 20:19.34 | JustinP | yep, OK+power starts the flash menu...that just meant that RP did a great job making the Z "shutdown" |
| 20:19.37 | JustinP | RP: nice work :-) |
| 20:23.15 | RP | Personally, I prefer this behaviour... |
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| 20:25.46 | AlexTe | so, no idea about japanese then? |
| 20:30.20 | RP | AlexTe: I'm afraid I don't know... |
| 20:32.36 | AlexTe | ok thanks anyway |
| 20:33.41 | alan|laptop | bye all |
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| 20:56.40 | CoreDump|home | JustinP: did you compile e-image-core on .oz354x recently? It's not building task-e dependencies for me |
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| 21:00.18 | jnc | o_O |
| 21:00.31 | jnc | JustinP you just confirmed that the C3xxx does indeed shut down. |
| 21:00.46 | CoreDump|home | sigh |
| 21:00.55 | CoreDump|home | jnc, they never really shut down |
| 21:01.12 | jnc | what does that mean |
| 21:01.58 | CoreDump|home | as RP and JustinP tried to explain you, an SL-Cxxxx never "halts". The mainboard is never really powered off |
| 21:02.13 | CoreDump|home | only if you pull the battery |
| 21:03.09 | jnc | i consider when the device responds to firmware features like Power + OK, that it is as shut down as it will get |
| 21:03.41 | jnc | CoreDump|home: x86 still draws power in "off" mode |
| 21:04.00 | jnc | i mean, that is considered halted yah? |
| 21:04.04 | CoreDump|home | yep, but not the CPU, RAM etc |
| 21:04.21 | CoreDump|home | yes it is, the PC inside that x86 is w/o power |
| 21:04.46 | CoreDump|home | the only thing powered is a part of the AC / DC logic to power on the machine |
| 21:04.54 | jnc | so the pxa270 is powered when OK+Power firmware feature works |
| 21:04.58 | jnc | that is what you're saying? |
| 21:05.32 | CoreDump|home | what I say is that you can not know the conditions for the firmware menu to show up |
| 21:05.43 | CoreDump|home | this is done in hardware and firmware |
| 21:06.04 | jnc | if the firmware menu is working, i'd presume that is the definition of "off" or "shut down" |
| 21:06.12 | jnc | if it still draws power or not, what do i know |
| 21:06.15 | jnc | i don't |
| 21:06.27 | jnc | a lot of devices draw power when they are off |
| 21:06.41 | jnc | how is that such a problem when i say the device is shut down |
| 21:06.43 | CoreDump|home | well, you could just measure if your Z draws juice off the battery when "halted" |
| 21:06.55 | JustinP | but you said earlier that shutdown didn't work.... |
| 21:07.14 | CoreDump|home | gotta use a very precise instrument for that tho |
| 21:07.17 | jnc | "shutdown -h now" does not enter a mode where Power+OK will work |
| 21:07.53 | polyonymous | isn't there a difference between shutdown and poweroff? |
| 21:07.54 | jnc | and "shutdown -r now" does not reboot the device |
| 21:07.59 | jnc | yea |
| 21:08.34 | jnc | so technically the "shutdown -h" is working as it should be, but it would be nice to make it also power off the device as i described (Power+OK feature working) |
| 21:09.03 | polyonymous | I mean, what shutdown does is 'halt'. |
| 21:09.07 | jnc | the "shutdown -r" is non-working. the hardware is capable of a real reboot, why not have the device do that |
| 21:09.14 | polyonymous | reboot does what poweroff should do |
| 21:09.21 | jnc | yeah |
| 21:09.22 | polyonymous | and poweroff does halting. |
| 21:09.32 | polyonymous | Not a big deal once you remember what does what :) |
| 21:09.50 | CoreDump|home | jnc: jesus, RP admitted that this is a bug. A _very_ minor one at that. |
| 21:10.10 | CoreDump|home | and the bug has the status "WONTFIX" currently |
| 21:10.15 | polyonymous | that's it. Bug that definitely doesn't deserve high priority. |
| 21:10.30 | polyonymous | And this is, on the other hand, wrong status for the bug :) |
| 21:11.00 | polyonymous | I'd rather tag it as "never do today what you can postpone till tomorrow" |
| 21:11.31 | CoreDump|home | his ToDo list is rather full :) and patches are of course welcome hehe |
| 21:11.34 | jnc | feature for feature, the real reboot is something that exists in SharpROM which is not possible in oz. |
| 21:11.56 | jnc | so is it a bug, or is this the way everyone wants it to be |
| 21:12.17 | CoreDump|home | I take a non-rebooting kernel 2.6 over a rebooting pile of rubbish any day hehe |
| 21:12.20 | polyonymous | CoreDump|home, I don't think having this bug on todo list should make it a heavy burden, especially if you know you're not going to resolve it any soon :) |
| 21:12.32 | polyonymous | jnc, It's a "feature" :) |
| 21:12.35 | jnc | oh |
| 21:12.53 | jnc | it's not said anywhere that this is what is intended |
| 21:13.01 | jnc | i ask about it, and people say that it is low-priority |
| 21:13.10 | CoreDump|home | which it is |
| 21:13.11 | jnc | no one mentioned to me if it was something that should be improved |
| 21:13.22 | jnc | they just say "i don't want to talk about it" |
| 21:13.31 | jnc | which is not helpful :/ |
| 21:13.57 | polyonymous | jnc, is it really your biggest problem? |
| 21:14.08 | jnc | at the moment, yes |
| 21:14.29 | jnc | my C3000 and OZ 3.5.4.1test do not successfully suspend/resume reliably |
| 21:14.31 | polyonymous | Well, jnc, then you're the happiest Z user so you should just keep your mous shut with happiness :) |
| 21:14.38 | jnc | so i would have to shut down my Z everytime i am not using it |
| 21:14.59 | polyonymous | jnc, What exactly failes with suspend/resume cycle? |
| 21:14.59 | CoreDump|home | the suspend / resume thingy has nothing to to with it now rebooting |
| 21:15.19 | CoreDump|home | because suspend/resume works perfectly fine on akita |
| 21:15.23 | polyonymous | And, jnc if you have to shut it down why not use reboot? |
| 21:15.31 | jnc | because the reboot is for rebooting |
| 21:15.44 | polyonymous | jnc, but you wanted to shut if down, not reboot! |
| 21:15.52 | jnc | exactly |
| 21:16.04 | polyonymous | so, use reboot. Or do you refuse it use it because of the name? |
| 21:16.10 | jnc | why the heck am i telling my Z to reboot, when i want it to shut down |
| 21:16.13 | jnc | that makes no sense |
| 21:16.27 | polyonymous | You're more german than any german on this channel I know :) |
| 21:16.48 | CoreDump|home | hey |
| 21:17.03 | jnc | well it sounds like a bug, or at the least undocumented difference compared to what is expected |
| 21:17.20 | polyonymous | jnc, we've agreed on that already, haven't we? |
| 21:17.31 | jnc | well, should this be improved, or documented |
| 21:18.10 | jnc | on SharpROM, reboot reboots the device, shutdown halts the device. |
| 21:18.17 | jnc | that makes sense to me |
| 21:18.31 | polyonymous | CoreDump|home, This doesn't have anything to do with godwins law. It was established by say Mark Twain way before the war. |
| 21:19.03 | polyonymous | jnc, and until it's not improved or documented you refuse to use it? |
| 21:19.28 | jnc | no, i want to know if my hardware is broken |
| 21:19.41 | jnc | JustinP confirms that my hardware works the same as his |
| 21:19.51 | polyonymous | Which means it is likely not broken. |
| 21:19.58 | hrw|tv | polyonymous: your last patches to opie - will look at them but do not know when |
| 21:20.01 | jnc | now i'm wondering if this can be improved, or if i should leave it alone |
| 21:20.14 | jnc | and so far people are just acting like they are angry at me for bringing the idea up |
| 21:20.39 | polyonymous | hrw|tv, I'm glad to hear it. But does it mean nobody else but you works on these parts of opie? |
| 21:20.54 | jnc | it's a fairly simple thing i could spend some time on. so far people won't even talk to me about it without being upset |
| 21:21.04 | hrw|tv | polyonymous: qt/e enviroments are dying |
| 21:21.07 | polyonymous | jnc, I think people get angry at you when you're going over and over again about it. |
| 21:21.35 | polyonymous | hrw|tv, that's what I meant... pity there's no adequate replacement yet... |
| 21:22.41 | jnc | okay say in documentation, if i say "reboot your zaurus" do i mean "shutdown using reboot and hit power button to boot again" or do i mean "reboot and reference the release notes to find out what that means" |
| 21:23.08 | jnc | it should be simple but this is a source of confusion, because reboot does not reboot, and shutdown merely halts with no powerdown |
| 21:23.19 | polyonymous | Maybe someone should put it to the FAQ? |
| 21:23.35 | jnc | yeah that's all i'm talking about |
| 21:23.44 | polyonymous | But, jnc, do YOU know how to shutdown your Z? |
| 21:24.06 | jnc | apparently, using 'reboot' is the undocumented way to shutdown the Z |
| 21:24.19 | polyonymous | jnc, so the answer is "yes"? |
| 21:24.22 | jnc | i was wondering if my Z was broken, since this wasn't expected |
| 21:24.27 | jnc | it doesn't appear to be |
| 21:24.31 | jnc | not a big deal then |
| 21:24.44 | jnc | i wish i could reboot though |
| 21:24.48 | polyonymous | And now you know it's not broken and the answer is yes, using reboot is the way to shut it down, right? |
| 21:25.27 | jnc | yeah. i don't see how this helps OE to berate me for not assuming things |
| 21:25.40 | jnc | who would document such things (or maybe i could?) |
| 21:26.06 | RP | jnc: Your hardware is not broken and most devices (expect the c700/c750) sow the same behaviour |
| 21:26.12 | jnc | oh |
| 21:26.13 | polyonymous | So, you know how to shut it down and you refuse to use reboot to shut it down because it'snot in the docs? |
| 21:26.15 | jnc | :) |
| 21:26.39 | RP | jnc: By the time I explained the subtle hardware issues involved for reboot vs "shutdown" I could probably fix the problem :-/ |
| 21:27.08 | jnc | polyonymous: i don't mind using reboot to shut it down, it just seems really, very weird. at the very least some reference to this behavior would be important to have in a release note |
| 21:27.45 | polyonymous | You show some inconsistency in your approach. Previously you said you won't do that because it's reboot and not shutdown. |
| 21:28.25 | jnc | RP: i'm sorry to bother, mate. it's just like you are saying, not high on the hitlist. i'm confused because i want to automate the shutdown as a workaround until suspend/resume gets attention, so i can use OZ and test other things |
| 21:28.38 | jnc | polyonymous: i asked why would i |
| 21:28.57 | jnc | polyonymous: to which you ignored and went on some tangent. anyways, not important |
| 21:29.27 | RP | jnc: Basically, for now, tell the device to reboot as that give the behaviour you desire |
| 21:29.47 | jnc | okay. that's pretty safe? |
| 21:29.57 | polyonymous | polyonymous: And, jnc if you have to shut it down why not use reboot? jnc: because the reboot is for rebooting |
| 21:30.14 | jnc | yeah |
| 21:30.41 | polyonymous | I didn't know it means "why would I?". I'm learning new stuff every day. |
| 21:30.46 | jnc | every other piece of hardware in my 10+ years of computer use has the capability to reboot itself when issued the command to reboot. |
| 21:30.50 | jnc | that's what i was meaning |
| 21:31.05 | CoreDump|home | why can't you just give it a rest? |
| 21:31.11 | jnc | the word reboot means, the device resets itself and comes back up |
| 21:31.45 | CoreDump|home | and we told you over and over and _over_ again that it is a bug. What else is there to say? |
| 21:31.46 | polyonymous | Thanks for letting everyone know. |
| 21:32.04 | jnc | meanies, heh. |
| 21:38.05 | RP | jnc: We know its a bug. One of these days I might fix it. I also take patches. What more can I say? |
| 21:39.24 | jnc | RP: i was concerned that my Z was somehow broken, and it's been established that it's not. also helpful to know that it is a bug which would be considered to be fixed if there are patches. |
| 21:40.11 | jnc | i'm not concerned bout it still |
| 21:40.24 | jnc | guys, let it go. i was worried that my Z was broken |
| 21:41.05 | jnc | no one i have heard of has reported suspend/resume issues that are repeatable |
| 21:41.16 | jnc | i mean, on cxx00 |
| 21:41.38 | polyonymous | jnc, what does your Z do when you resume/ |
| 21:41.44 | jnc | nothing |
| 21:41.55 | polyonymous | doesn't power on? |
| 21:42.01 | jnc | i can suspend, and resume, but if the device is suspended longer than 3 min there is nothing |
| 21:42.16 | polyonymous | nothing as in no power on? |
| 21:42.24 | jnc | yeah. i went through with RP on a debugging session, and it appears that the RAM gets hosed |
| 21:42.29 | jnc | but not sure about that even |
| 21:42.43 | jnc | i used a serial cable and a kernel patch suggested by RP to output debug info |
| 21:42.55 | polyonymous | So this is what you should be concerned about and think if your Z is somehow misbehaves, not reboot/shutdown issue. |
| 21:43.12 | jnc | don't i know it :) |
| 21:43.39 | jnc | RP is a busy guy though, i don't expect suspend/resume to be given attention soon |
| 21:43.40 | polyonymous | Then I want to have a tea. |
| 21:43.59 | polyonymous | jnc, isn't that exactly what people were telling you for ages? |
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| 21:45.14 | jnc | if suspend/resume isn't working, i would like to at least be able to use my zaurus with OZ. this makes shutdown/reboot my focus for the time being. |
| 21:46.49 | polyonymous | jnc, maybe you should put some wrapper scripts that will change shutdown/reboot behaviour? :) |
| 21:46.58 | jnc | hmm |
| 21:47.21 | jnc | well, would i want to fix this kernel side, or establish the current behavior as correct, and hack around it |
| 21:48.13 | jnc | also, what are the capabilities of other Z's? RP mentioend the c7x0 as being exceptions |
| 21:48.20 | jnc | what is the difference of those |
| 21:48.58 | polyonymous | jnc, I don't know the answer and wouldn't bother RP with those question as he might fix the problem instead of answering. |
| 21:50.15 | jnc | i don't have to bother RP with it |
| 21:50.37 | jnc | i can ask people what their dog is, and how it behaves :) |
| 21:51.14 | RP | jnc: The differences are subtle and most people don't even realise there are differences |
| 21:51.25 | RP | I only saw them with a 760 and 700 side by side |
| 21:51.45 | jnc | is the end result similar? or is end result different |
| 21:52.24 | jnc | my definition of "off" being that maybe device still draws power, but will do whatever firmware functions the Zaurii tend to do with key combinations |
| 21:54.02 | jnc | i want to put together a doc which describes what to expect, where different from SharpROM. I am using both systems (SharpROM / OZ), it is not a problem for me to do this for cxx00 at least |
| 21:55.08 | jnc | also on my todo list is the WPA howto =) |
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| 21:56.46 | jnc | i'll be asking this kind of info anyways so that the wifi/WPA doc includes details for builtin wifi hardware. i only have the external hostap style wifi adapter |
| 21:57.34 | RP | jnc: only tosa has inbuilt wifi |
| 21:58.15 | jnc | is the SL-6000W also called the same dog name? |
| 21:58.24 | RP | yes |
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| 22:06.46 | jnc | 3.5.4.1test has what i think might be an older version of gpsd |
| 22:06.52 | jnc | hmm |
| 22:07.59 | jnc | i.e. not working with my GPSlim236 receiver |
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